Killing Javier Escuella in RDR part 1 versus letting him live cutscenes and reaction of Agent Ross and John Marston in Red Dead Redemption in 4K HDR quality #reddeadredemption #rdr #johnmarston
Its weird playing RDR2 and John and Javier seem especially close. They have a lot of camp interactions and John really tried to reach out to him in CH6 since Javier saved his life and and tries to say Dutch isn't his family but Javier takes it bad and things sour between them.
If you did the early mission (Arthur fishing with Dutch, chapter 2 I think. The camp in the swamps but not the house) Javier says that he will always be loyal to Dutch no matter what happens, and that Arthur should too because of how good Dutch was to them growing up.)
@@donthaveaname1086to be fair he’s been with dutch the least was eating out of garbage cans before him and he’s younger than them he prob had big qualms “biting the hand that fed him”
You just said yourself what happened, they were once brothers who fell out bc of personal differences and lifestyle changes and it all came crashing down the moment John fell off the train and was subsequently left behind by not just Dutch and Micah, but Javier as well. People somehow forget where Javier was during the last train heist
In red dead redemption 2, Javier says to Arthur when they’re looking for John in chapter 1. “If the situation were reversed, he’d look for me.” Little did Javier know, he was right, but it wasn’t because John wanted to, he HAD to
Exactly bro people see this cutscene and act like he’s reaching out to John and that John is the cold one, casually forgetting that line alone that shows he’s not just willing to betray Bill but he’s lying to John about Dutch bc Dutch was never in Columbia, he was up near Tall Trees in hiding. He’s manipulating John the entire cutscene and John isn’t buying into any of it
he was buying time to take John by surprise by playing on his lust for revenge. He wasn't gonna wait for John to accept. Besides, Dutch at the time wasn't in Colombia but in Blackwater. Javier was doing the exact opposite of giving him up.
Javier was clearly lying, he either wasn't going to give up Dutch or just really didn't know where Dutch was and was trying to come up with something (what I believe) because he tells John that Dutch is in Colombia which he clearly isn't
I always chose to kill Javier as he always believed in freedom and wanted to live free. The way he rides his horse away from you trying to escape thinking of freedom is such a poetic ending to him. John even tears up
Lol he doesn't tear up. Shut up and stop copying other wrong things. The worst thing about the rdr community are a hive mind, everyone copies each others misperception
@@IndoJordy I know, it breaks my heart. Especially after their interaction in chapter 6 where Javier says to John that he’s an arrogant son of a bitch but I think it’s better to end it yourself then let your brother hang, alone, with no sense of freedom
@@justice_of_TH-cam trust me pal I ain’t no part of the “hive mind”. My takes and opinions are far different from the average RDR fan and me saying John tears up wasn’t something I saw online, just something I noticed while replaying the game on my Xbox One
Javier: “Dutch is in Columbia I can take you straight to him” Shortly After: “We have reason to believe Dutch Van Der Linde is in the area” Damn Javier whole ass tried to lie his way out of it 😂
I let him live, I like to watch the cutscene and I always liked Javier. People saying letting him live will actually let him live but ross for sure kills him after
It's not just Ross. Javier had done way too much to just sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life. Had he ve captured back in rdr 2, they would've hung him
@@juanalonso8149 as a huge GTA fan and the other rockstar ips... I have to agree, Red Dead 1 mexico is just unmatched. Even the sequel wasnt able to surpass it for me, Rd1 was truly something else
Javier wasnt on the train. Bill was. But even then it was most likely discussed amongst all of them to let Arthur and John die if they had the chance, thats why they were the only ones to board the train at the start.
He’s literally one of the men that DID go back for him, that’s why John says that in the first game 😂 U act like just bc Javier was cool and respected Arthur even at the end he automatically had that same exact relationship with John when he clearly didn’t, by the end of rdr2 he hates John. Also I’m pretty sure it was planned ahead of time to let John and/or Arthur get killed and not help them, notice how Dutch sends both of them to secure the very back of the train?
I feel so much more conflicted about killing him after playing RDR2. He was actually a nice guy to John and Arthur. And I noticed when it all goes downhill in chapter 6, he never really fully points his gun at Arthur and John even when he takes Dutchs side.
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Perhaps it changes with low/high honor because right before the Pinkertons bust in on Beaver Hollow I specifically remember seeing Javier with his gun lowered, glancing between Dutch and Arthur like he was nervous, while Dutch, Bill and Micah all had their guns aimed.
I chose to kill Javier since this is the end of the everyone in the van derLan gang. If Bill dies and than Dutch. Javier gotta go too. Especially since John,Uncle and Abigail die next. Any who survived the epilogue of RDR2 is either dead or living there lives.
kinda? he was nice and so loving sadly dutch fucked him up in the end when arthur confronts micah and they all start pointing guns at each other you see javier not pointing his gun at arthur or john which showed how much he cared obviously tho after the fallout of his family aka the gang ig he just lost it not long after
@@EchoingswaveofArts He left John behind dude wym? The reason he didn’t point a gun at the end is bc the VA didn’t want to be a bad guy and fought to have Javier point the gun up instead, so they gave in and did that to add more to his character but he betrayed John already, he doesn’t point bc Arthur is there and he still respected him but John? He fell out with him already and hated him which is why he says nothing when Dutch lies about John being killed
Is good to see red dead redemption 1 clips these days, Normally gets so overshadowed by red dead redemption 2 that makes me think everyone forgot that it exists
I first played this game in 2012 and I’m still going back to rdr2 now and I’ve only just realised John copies Dutch’s line after he kills Bronte at 0:40
I genuinely hope they change the way javier is in rdr bc seeing him in rdr2 being so caring and didn’t even choose to not aim his gun at John and Arthur it doesn’t seem right at all to see him the way he ended up in these endings. Hopefully they make a remake and change his ending
@@FoolishLemurIt is a very negative change that he underwent, but quite real. The people we know tend to change and often for the worse depending on what they have had to live through. Surely the dismantling of the gang was a very hard blow for Javier, In addition to the fact that the Mexican Revolution was taking place in 1911, Javier very possibly went through situations in his life that ended up negatively affecting his personality by not having His old family by his side. A negative change, but quite realistic.
I think Javier just said out of anger that one day John would regret it and curse his family. Basically it can be that he can already understand John and believes that John only does it because he feels betrayed by him because firstly he left him behind in the attack and secondly that he did not join him and Arthur when the Micah was revealed was the traitor of the gang and was on his side because of Dutch. Maybe he finally realized that Micah was the traitor and another reason that Javier had a hard time. He had once believed in Dutch but now his belief in him was destroyed when he realized that he was just crazy and joined the wrong side. He must have regretted not joining Arthur and John, and later accepting his capture and redemption through execution.
I noticed how Javier said “children” instead of child, I doubt he knew John had a daughter but she passed away at a young age, it just makes me wonder if he did know
This is what he gets for harrassing john, abigail, uncle charles and arthur in chapter 6. They should remake javiers voice here with gabriel sloyer so it will be even more satisfying to hunt him down
@@justice_of_TH-cam to be fair when Dutch found him and accepted him into the gang he was starving, barely knew English, and fled Mexico cause he was wanted there too, and when everyone pointed their guns at John and Arthur Javier pointed his in the air still having feelings for them
what he said ^ javier wasn't evil and he didn't outright hate anyone who didn't side with dutch, i more saw him as a person with a hard decision to make in the moment the gang was splitting up, and since dutch did save him when he found him, it's obvious he would side with the person that saved him. it does seem kinda uncharacteristic for him to hope that john and his family rots in hell, but I'll take it because they didn't fully flesh out what kind of character he'd be in rdr2 so they just wrote him off as your typical baddie outlaw, or it could be he built up resentment to those he thought brought down the gang (aka like when dutch talks about how he kept thinking john was a snake in rdr2) so he probably had a lot of time to think about those previously like john which explains the extreme comment towards him and his family
rdr implies that javier did something awful to john and that he was a big bad of the gang, but in rdr2 we see that he was a good man, a deluded freedom fighter who gave his trust to the bad guy and refused to accept reality when his mentor went crazy. This is one of the reasons why rdr needs a remake, it doesn't make sense for john to be so salty and even spit at javier's corpse, javier wasn't even the one tasked to rescue him when he got shot on the train so he didn't leave him to die, he even aimed upwards when the rest of the gang was ready to execute john and arthur
Javier was a survivor in both games. Javier abandoned John with Dutch and Micah in their last train robbery that hurt John. Javier abandoned Dutch to save himself when Pinkertons came to the camp. Javier did things out of his own survivalism. He used to care about survivalism of the gang but by the end he only cared about his own.
Didnt notice the call back to rdr2 when john says “it was you or me, way i see it, might as well be you”, is the same thing dutch said after he killed angelo bronte
I mean, Ross was holding captive his entire family. I wouldn't have had any problem killing my old friends who left me for dead to save my family either.
Im so glad i played rdr2 1st and for the 1st time in 2021. Went and ordered rdr off amazon and story was just amazing. Playing as arthur than john and john in his own game made so much sense.
So I ended up playing RDR2 before 1 because I didn't have a playstation and the port for switch only came out recently. I'm glad it ended up happening that way because my attachment to the characters made the story that much more compelling to me. If i had played only RDR1, javier and bill and dutch ect would have just been another villain, as I don't think they were built up enough for the player to make you care.. but with all of RDR2 as well? this story hit me a lot harder haha
I always took Javier alive. I dont know why but I sort of strived for taking as many of the Ex-Gang in alive even before RDR2. It leads me to a perspective about John that he cant bring himself to kill them outright. The Orders were just a convinient way to spare his own consience.
Same but tbh I don’t think it’s that John can’t bring himself to kill them, for instance Bill dies regardless and it’s better for John to do it then Reyes who doesn’t even know Bill or care about him, and John doesn’t seem to regret executing Bill
I nad no issues with Javier. When RDR2 started he was a standup guy. When Arthur hesitated to go search for Marsten, Javier said “He’d do it for us”. I think he was just to easily influenced by Micah and Dutch. Same with Bill. But Bill was actually stupid. Lol.
Man i was thinking john was a bad guy this whole game and most of rdr2 until i got to the point where dutch actually leaves arthur and then lies about john dying, then i realized john was just doing what arthur wouldve wanted him to do
As someone who played rdr2 first, I couldn't kill him. I liked Javier. He wasn't a bad guy. He was just very loyal, which is actually a good thing, but he was blinded by his loyalty. I also found it sad to see how Javier has changed. In rdr2 he seemed very intelligent and rational but in rdr1 he seemed more like he had lost his mind over the years. This also applies to his appearance. While he looked very clean and Well dressed in rdr2, he looked pretty run down in rdr1. After the fall of the Van der Linde Gang, his mental state only went down probably.
I always thought itd be interesting if Javier had escaped his execution (maybe the Pinkertons falsify the news to make themselves look better) and returns to Mexico where he helps to bring down General Sanchez. Maybe years later hed encounter Jack who pretends not to know him so he doesn't have to kill him, like at the end of The Outlaw Josey Wales
I feel like killing Javier is the canon because its almost as if John is giving him a mercy by not handing him over alive. Plus it gives Ross more of a reason to see John as a monster not knowing the entire story behind the history.
“We thought you was dead, brother, I promise.” “I was standing right there when you turned on me and Arthur, tf you mean you thought I was dead?!” Yeah, like any prequel, it’s impossible to get *all* the details lined up - especially when the new story has to override details of the old one with the story they want to tell - but it still sucks when you get moments like this that just can’t work with RDR2’s ending when you revisit the first game. :/
Kinda wish they had plans for a prequel before making the first one. After seeing Javier in two and now watching him in the first one it’s almost as if they aren’t even the same character.
Por mais que os jogos sejam entrelaçados, isso é uma prova que sacrificaram certas narrativas no 2, o Javier do 2 nao diria oque disse no 1 sobre a famila de John, e John nao tem motivos para tratar ele com tanto rancor, ate porque no começo do 2, Javier junto ao Arthur é o unico disposto a correr risco para procurar John na montanha de neve em meio aos lobos, fora que Arthur é importante demais para nao ser citado em nenhuma das conversas entre os antigos membros da gang, principalmente os principais como o proprio Javier, ele facilmente foi levado pela lealdade a Dutch, por ter sido o unico que o ajudou, mas ele nao é nem de longe ruim e merecedor de um final tao morno igual ao 1.
When I first played this game, I killed Javier by accident and every time now I play this mission I let Javier live…..I would rather capture him than kill him….
i know the story of rdr2 took some liberties when connecting the almost decade old story of the first game but it really made john seem like a bitter old fart here since neither javier or bill left him in the cold like he claims. it was Dutch's call and they just truly believed he was dead. bill and javier were more blind loyals than true evil characters that rdr1 portrayed them to be
Even tho John is just doing what he has to, its rather better to unalive Xavier himself than give him to the pinkertons alive since thats what they all fought agaist side by side…Makes him look like a complete rata.
If rdr1 came out it was basically because of Javier, since if he and Arthur had never gone to save John, 1 would not even have existed or maybe they would have changed Javier for charls or someone like that
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u That doesn't mean references to him shouldn't be added or the game wouldn't benefit from them, especially since the original game has John hunting down the people who betrayed and murdered Arthur. The only reason that was said in RDR2 was because Arthur wasn't conceptualised when they created RDR1 so he was never mentioned and they wanted to address that as best they could at the time. If they did do a remake, that wouldn't be the case. The line doesn't even hold up in RDR2 itself because John references Arthur a bunch in the epilogue lol
I know Arthur wasn't thought of yet, but let's say Red Dead Redemption 2 was the first one created, and Arthur survives but everything ends up the same and all, I wonder if John would have tried to kill Arthur.
It really sucks what they did to javier in chapter 5 of rdr 2 he really isn't sure what side to choose because he cares and have a good bond between arthur and john mostly john, Javier just picked dutch because he had no choice but to pick the leader of the gang his the only one who is hesitating to aim the gun on john and arthur
I never killed Javier while playing this mission, not because of his rdr2 moments with Arthur and John, or because Ross expects you to bring him alive, but because I always liked his style and character. Javier on rdr1 is the archetype of the Mexican desperado with that misterious aura we don't know from. He's a guy that we heard a lot trough all the game, but we get to see him at one only mission. His story and background are so lost and confused as the choices he had made in life, and even his dialogues with John are made to be so ironic and ambigous on way that we don't expect to see a scenario of them killing each other. He was clearly wrote as more of an anti-hero type of character, instead of the others that are purely evil people/ or dreamers who went mad. If John is the "Good", and Dutch is the "Bad", i surely believe that Javier was made to be the "Ugly" one from this story. And i think was because of it, that they made the option to we just capture him. But if I had a chance to make Javier survive to the end, i would shurely make it. Such underrated character.
I never killed Javier, and didn’t really want to kill bill even before playing rdr2 because many times throughout the game until then John stated that they were like brothers and *he* didn’t really want to kill them let alone search for them and capture them. Playing the second game made me realize how bill felt and why he felt the way he felt about John and his family, and Javier in the ending didn’t even point his gun at John and Arthur.
It would be great if they remade those dialogues for a remaster and have John say "then you, Micah and Dutch went crazy and family didn't mean so much"
I feel like RDR1 and RDR2 Javiers are different characters (not literally, but in the way they're designed). In RDR1, Javier was basically a stereotypical Speedy Gonzales Mexican, and nobody really thought about his past or motivations back then. Such a character wouldn't fit Dutch's gang in RDR2, so in that game, Javier is way more complex and less sketchy. A remake could've "smooth out" the transision from Javier RDR2 to Javier RDR1, yet we're unlikely to see that remake.
This is the biggest mistake of RDR 2. John doesn’t mention Arthur at all in RDR1 and what he is saying right now to Javier didn’t really happen nor would it be something that John would harbor resentment for. Javier and Bill didn’t really go crazy. They just stuck with the gang. All that aside, red dead redemption two is the best game ever
Alternate ending when Jack saves Javier in 1914 -> th-cam.com/video/4lM5m4O-M7U/w-d-xo.html
Hearing Javier say he hopes John and his family rot in hell makes me feel sad knowing how much he cared about John and Jack in RDR2
True
After chapter 5 he didn't give a shit about any of them
Its so sad how Dutch corrupted the gang and ruined everyone
@@justice_of_TH-cam hi💊
@@gixnlucagaming why the pill?
John might've believed Javier if he said Dutch was in Tahiti instead of Colombia.
Lol
Colombia*
ARTHUR WE CAN TAKE A BOAT FROM NEW YORK TO AUSTRALIA ARTHUA WE JUST NEED MORE NOISE I HAVE A GODDAM PLAN
You forgot that this game was made before RDR2 and the idea of Tahiti probably didn't exist
@@turkeyleg72r/woosh
Its weird playing RDR2 and John and Javier seem especially close. They have a lot of camp interactions and John really tried to reach out to him in CH6 since Javier saved his life and and tries to say Dutch isn't his family but Javier takes it bad and things sour between them.
If you did the early mission (Arthur fishing with Dutch, chapter 2 I think. The camp in the swamps but not the house) Javier says that he will always be loyal to Dutch no matter what happens, and that Arthur should too because of how good Dutch was to them growing up.)
@@donthaveaname1086to be fair he’s been with dutch the least was eating out of garbage cans before him and he’s younger than them he prob had big qualms “biting the hand that fed him”
Yeah
You just said yourself what happened, they were once brothers who fell out bc of personal differences and lifestyle changes and it all came crashing down the moment John fell off the train and was subsequently left behind by not just Dutch and Micah, but Javier as well. People somehow forget where Javier was during the last train heist
Idk I felt like bill and Arthur had more moments
In red dead redemption 2, Javier says to Arthur when they’re looking for John in chapter 1. “If the situation were reversed, he’d look for me.” Little did Javier know, he was right, but it wasn’t because John wanted to, he HAD to
That didn't last long when he basically left him to die later
1:16 when he offered to give everyone else up he proved john right. He is the kind of man that will abandon or betray others to survive.
Exactly bro people see this cutscene and act like he’s reaching out to John and that John is the cold one, casually forgetting that line alone that shows he’s not just willing to betray Bill but he’s lying to John about Dutch bc Dutch was never in Columbia, he was up near Tall Trees in hiding. He’s manipulating John the entire cutscene and John isn’t buying into any of it
he was buying time to take John by surprise by playing on his lust for revenge. He wasn't gonna wait for John to accept. Besides, Dutch at the time wasn't in Colombia but in Blackwater. Javier was doing the exact opposite of giving him up.
Javier was clearly lying, he either wasn't going to give up Dutch or just really didn't know where Dutch was and was trying to come up with something (what I believe) because he tells John that Dutch is in Colombia which he clearly isn't
I always chose to kill Javier as he always believed in freedom and wanted to live free. The way he rides his horse away from you trying to escape thinking of freedom is such a poetic ending to him. John even tears up
I get what you aiming for, but still after rdr 2 it’s painful
Lol he doesn't tear up. Shut up and stop copying other wrong things. The worst thing about the rdr community are a hive mind, everyone copies each others misperception
@@IndoJordy I know, it breaks my heart. Especially after their interaction in chapter 6 where Javier says to John that he’s an arrogant son of a bitch but I think it’s better to end it yourself then let your brother hang, alone, with no sense of freedom
@@justice_of_TH-cam trust me pal I ain’t no part of the “hive mind”. My takes and opinions are far different from the average RDR fan and me saying John tears up wasn’t something I saw online, just something I noticed while replaying the game on my Xbox One
Hes gonna die anyways lol
Javier: “Dutch is in Columbia I can take you straight to him”
Shortly After: “We have reason to believe Dutch Van Der Linde is in the area”
Damn Javier whole ass tried to lie his way out of it 😂
Columbia,SC.
@@Piensamalyacertaras yeaaa don't think they were talking about some random town in south Carolina lol
Youre right, hes actually talking about british columbia. @@red4253
@@Piensamalyacertaras He said ''Colombia'' not ''Columbia'' Colombia is a country in south america
@@red4253Columbia is the capital of SC, not some random town
I let him live, I like to watch the cutscene and I always liked Javier. People saying letting him live will actually let him live but ross for sure kills him after
Yeah me 2
It's not just Ross. Javier had done way too much to just sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life. Had he ve captured back in rdr 2, they would've hung him
Well depends on the situation and how much Javier is willing to rat. But let’s be real I am being optimistic here.
@@Mentelgen-1337if ross ends up betraying john and killing him after everything he did for him then he for sure killed Javier
like i said optimism. @@kaiserwave5977
"One days about all you got left" damn savage.
The Mexico part in rdr1 was so good and fun
Probably the greatest arc in all of rockstar
@@juanalonso8149 as a huge GTA fan and the other rockstar ips... I have to agree, Red Dead 1 mexico is just unmatched. Even the sequel wasnt able to surpass it for me, Rd1 was truly something else
If notice when John brings Javier in the cell he starts to tear up but he know he betrayed John so he spits on him
Sad part is Javier did think john was dead he stayed on the train it was dutch that lied only dutch,
And micha I guess
Javier wasnt on the train. Bill was. But even then it was most likely discussed amongst all of them to let Arthur and John die if they had the chance, thats why they were the only ones to board the train at the start.
Javier was literally riding with Dutch when he said he went back for John what are you talking about
@@HEYLETZPLAYZ micah"
He’s literally one of the men that DID go back for him, that’s why John says that in the first game 😂 U act like just bc Javier was cool and respected Arthur even at the end he automatically had that same exact relationship with John when he clearly didn’t, by the end of rdr2 he hates John. Also I’m pretty sure it was planned ahead of time to let John and/or Arthur get killed and not help them, notice how Dutch sends both of them to secure the very back of the train?
1:34 hit hard
Ikr 😞
Lol john is good at roasting 😂
It also was completely accurate since he literally had one day in there and he went to Ross and was executed
Ten years ago i let him live. 4 years ago I let him die.
I feel so much more conflicted about killing him after playing RDR2. He was actually a nice guy to John and Arthur. And I noticed when it all goes downhill in chapter 6, he never really fully points his gun at Arthur and John even when he takes Dutchs side.
He actually does, everyone just ignores it for some reason. Just before the shooting starts you can see him aim right at Arthur
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Perhaps it changes with low/high honor because right before the Pinkertons bust in on Beaver Hollow I specifically remember seeing Javier with his gun lowered, glancing between Dutch and Arthur like he was nervous, while Dutch, Bill and Micah all had their guns aimed.
@@Oswald_Thatendswald It doesn’t, on the last shot before you go back into gameplay pause and you can see Javier aiming right at Arthur
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Not what I saw.
@@Oswald_Thatendswald Well I got a video on my channel showing it
I chose to kill Javier since this is the end of the everyone in the van derLan gang. If Bill dies and than Dutch. Javier gotta go too. Especially since John,Uncle and Abigail die next. Any who survived the epilogue of RDR2 is either dead or living there lives.
Yeah you right, I couldn’t do it tbh, especially not after rdr 2
@@IndoJordy Meh if you ask me it feels more necessary to kill him.
@@spider-manunknown9193 I always keep him alive, prefer the dialogue and cutscene that way. He definitely gets hanged anyway, so it works for me.
@@cumswag1222 he couldve still lived tbh
@@IndoJordyI prefered killing him after RDR2, cos he sided against Arther in last mission.
*Sees guy holding corpse of friend*
TWO FREINDS REUNITED IT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING
1:40 this is the same man who helped erase the entire bloodline of a rich powerful family to find one of his childrenn
Kinda sad we kill Javier. He was kinda nice in Rdr2
kinda? he was nice and so loving sadly dutch fucked him up in the end when arthur confronts micah and they all start pointing guns at each other you see javier not pointing his gun at arthur or john which showed how much he cared obviously tho after the fallout of his family aka the gang ig he just lost it not long after
@@EchoingswaveofArts He left John behind dude wym? The reason he didn’t point a gun at the end is bc the VA didn’t want to be a bad guy and fought to have Javier point the gun up instead, so they gave in and did that to add more to his character but he betrayed John already, he doesn’t point bc Arthur is there and he still respected him but John? He fell out with him already and hated him which is why he says nothing when Dutch lies about John being killed
he was a bitch in RDR 1
How did we get 2 games with Javier Escuella,
and he was criminally underused BOTH times??
Jack : you killed my father edgar: witch one john or javier
John I jacks dad
This scene before playing rdr2: 😏😃
After playing rdr2: 😔
İlk rdr1 oynadığım için kim lan bu mal diyip 22 mermili tüfekle taramıştım.
Is good to see red dead redemption 1 clips these days, Normally gets so overshadowed by red dead redemption 2 that makes me think everyone forgot that it exists
I first played this game in 2012 and I’m still going back to rdr2 now and I’ve only just realised John copies Dutch’s line after he kills Bronte at 0:40
I genuinely hope they change the way javier is in rdr bc seeing him in rdr2 being so caring and didn’t even choose to not aim his gun at John and Arthur it doesn’t seem right at all to see him the way he ended up in these endings. Hopefully they make a remake and change his ending
no
@@9cross explain
@@FoolishLemurIt is a very negative change that he underwent, but quite real. The people we know tend to change and often for the worse depending on what they have had to live through. Surely the dismantling of the gang was a very hard blow for Javier, In addition to the fact that the Mexican Revolution was taking place in 1911, Javier very possibly went through situations in his life that ended up negatively affecting his personality by not having His old family by his side. A negative change, but quite realistic.
You do realize rdr1 came out first
Why should they remake this game which is already perfect just because the second game fucked things up?
I think Javier just said out of anger that one day John would regret it and curse his family. Basically it can be that he can already understand John and believes that John only does it because he feels betrayed by him because firstly he left him behind in the attack and secondly that he did not join him and Arthur when the Micah was revealed was the traitor of the gang and was on his side because of Dutch. Maybe he finally realized that Micah was the traitor and another reason that Javier had a hard time. He had once believed in Dutch but now his belief in him was destroyed when he realized that he was just crazy and joined the wrong side. He must have regretted not joining Arthur and John, and later accepting his capture and redemption through execution.
There is a giant difference between Javier in rdr1 and 2.
I noticed how Javier said “children” instead of child, I doubt he knew John had a daughter but she passed away at a young age, it just makes me wonder if he did know
"You Puto" As sad as the scene was, this line will always kill me.
what does it mean? i know zero spanish does it mean bitch?
@@EchoingswaveofArtsuh according to Google it means “prostitute”💀
Javier not only lost his mind, but also his drip. What a shame
Javier’s betrayal still makes no sense. Same with Ryder from (GTA SA). They’re both very similar.
Ryder betrayed the gang cause the voice actor left , and Javier betrayed the gang cause of his loyalty to Dutch
This is what he gets for harrassing john, abigail, uncle charles and arthur in chapter 6.
They should remake javiers voice here with gabriel sloyer so it will be even more satisfying to hunt him down
You liked hunting him down ?
@@IndoJordy yes, i hate him. He was incredibly arrogant to john and arthur and blindly defended everything dutch did
Yeah in ch 6
@@justice_of_TH-cam to be fair when Dutch found him and accepted him into the gang he was starving, barely knew English, and fled Mexico cause he was wanted there too, and when everyone pointed their guns at John and Arthur Javier pointed his in the air still having feelings for them
what he said ^ javier wasn't evil and he didn't outright hate anyone who didn't side with dutch, i more saw him as a person with a hard decision to make in the moment the gang was splitting up, and since dutch did save him when he found him, it's obvious he would side with the person that saved him. it does seem kinda uncharacteristic for him to hope that john and his family rots in hell, but I'll take it because they didn't fully flesh out what kind of character he'd be in rdr2 so they just wrote him off as your typical baddie outlaw, or it could be he built up resentment to those he thought brought down the gang (aka like when dutch talks about how he kept thinking john was a snake in rdr2) so he probably had a lot of time to think about those previously like john which explains the extreme comment towards him and his family
rdr implies that javier did something awful to john and that he was a big bad of the gang, but in rdr2 we see that he was a good man, a deluded freedom fighter who gave his trust to the bad guy and refused to accept reality when his mentor went crazy. This is one of the reasons why rdr needs a remake, it doesn't make sense for john to be so salty and even spit at javier's corpse, javier wasn't even the one tasked to rescue him when he got shot on the train so he didn't leave him to die, he even aimed upwards when the rest of the gang was ready to execute john and arthur
Javier was a survivor in both games. Javier abandoned John with Dutch and Micah in their last train robbery that hurt John. Javier abandoned Dutch to save himself when Pinkertons came to the camp. Javier did things out of his own survivalism. He used to care about survivalism of the gang but by the end he only cared about his own.
@@petermj1098 I disagree
The first game shouldn’t need to be remade over things the second game messed up
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uso giving someone more character is a mess up
@@Koichi-KunWriting a character to be nothing like they were described is a mess up
Didnt notice the call back to rdr2 when john says “it was you or me, way i see it, might as well be you”, is the same thing dutch said after he killed angelo bronte
I always liked Javier,he was just loyal to Dutch. I just wonder why John sided with the enemy.
Yeah, but also Dutch was the leader so it makes sense
John didnt wanna kill any of his old gang members
He was forced to hunt them down by Ross.
I mean, Ross was holding captive his entire family.
I wouldn't have had any problem killing my old friends who left me for dead to save my family either.
@@dinorex3464 That’s what i’m saying, they betrayed me so i’d go for them if my family was taken 😂
if you look closely, Javier actually aims his gun at the sky when they confront at the end, not at John and Arthur
1:01 I find it curious that Javier had mentioned my country. Did Rockstar had a possible idea for DLC or a possible sequel/third game in Colombia?
I dont think so
No. Javier was lying to save his skin.
John had such great dialogue in rdr1
Im so glad i played rdr2 1st and for the 1st time in 2021. Went and ordered rdr off amazon and story was just amazing. Playing as arthur than john and john in his own game made so much sense.
Javier is the only one to not aim a gun at Arthur John and Susan
Frankly, that don't mean too much since he still left John to die and left with Dutch.
He literally does aim his gun at Arthur and John, just slowly.
So I ended up playing RDR2 before 1 because I didn't have a playstation and the port for switch only came out recently. I'm glad it ended up happening that way because my attachment to the characters made the story that much more compelling to me. If i had played only RDR1, javier and bill and dutch ect would have just been another villain, as I don't think they were built up enough for the player to make you care.. but with all of RDR2 as well? this story hit me a lot harder haha
I never noticed that he wipes away a tear before he spits on his corpse 🤯
Wiping the side of his face doesn’t mean he’s crying
He dies ether way you can finally a newspaper that takes place in 1914 talking about how Javier was hanged and Edgar Ross is cretited
I always took Javier alive. I dont know why but I sort of strived for taking as many of the Ex-Gang in alive even before RDR2.
It leads me to a perspective about John that he cant bring himself to kill them outright. The Orders were just a convinient way to spare his own consience.
Same but tbh I don’t think it’s that John can’t bring himself to kill them, for instance Bill dies regardless and it’s better for John to do it then Reyes who doesn’t even know Bill or care about him, and John doesn’t seem to regret executing Bill
I nad no issues with Javier. When RDR2 started he was a standup guy. When Arthur hesitated to go search for Marsten, Javier said “He’d do it for us”. I think he was just to easily influenced by Micah and Dutch. Same with Bill. But Bill was actually stupid. Lol.
" go with your puto "
John wipes a tear before spitting on Javier’s corpse
Man i was thinking john was a bad guy this whole game and most of rdr2 until i got to the point where dutch actually leaves arthur and then lies about john dying, then i realized john was just doing what arthur wouldve wanted him to do
What makes the first scene even cold is the golden relover
As someone who played rdr2 first, I couldn't kill him. I liked Javier. He wasn't a bad guy. He was just very loyal, which is actually a good thing, but he was blinded by his loyalty. I also found it sad to see how Javier has changed. In rdr2 he seemed very intelligent and rational but in rdr1 he seemed more like he had lost his mind over the years. This also applies to his appearance. While he looked very clean and Well dressed in rdr2, he looked pretty run down in rdr1. After the fall of the Van der Linde Gang, his mental state only went down probably.
Same with old Dutch.
I always thought itd be interesting if Javier had escaped his execution (maybe the Pinkertons falsify the news to make themselves look better) and returns to Mexico where he helps to bring down General Sanchez. Maybe years later hed encounter Jack who pretends not to know him so he doesn't have to kill him, like at the end of The Outlaw Josey Wales
FBI not pinkertons
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Technically BOI.
3:22 damn all he did was throw a crate at you 😂
No? He left John for dead in RDR2
javier really went crazy after dutch went mad
I love how it cuts from him jumping out the window to him all tied up being carried
I feel like killing Javier is the canon because its almost as if John is giving him a mercy by not handing him over alive. Plus it gives Ross more of a reason to see John as a monster not knowing the entire story behind the history.
I always let Javier live just for old times sake. John probably wouldn't want to kill someone he used to ride with if he had the choice.
The years really caught up with Javier
Looks at john quoting his dad "it is him or us !!!! Figure it might as well be him"
I'm surprised Javier didn't say "what about loyalty?" and then Dutch's voice echoing in the wind "thank you Javier"
“We thought you was dead, brother, I promise.”
“I was standing right there when you turned on me and Arthur, tf you mean you thought I was dead?!”
Yeah, like any prequel, it’s impossible to get *all* the details lined up - especially when the new story has to override details of the old one with the story they want to tell - but it still sucks when you get moments like this that just can’t work with RDR2’s ending when you revisit the first game. :/
javier seemed shorter in rdr then rdr2, its so sad what happened to the gang in rdr2...dutch going crazy and picking micah over his right hand man.
Archer reminding Marston to keep his victims alive makes more sense to why Ross shot Dutch.
Kinda wish they had plans for a prequel before making the first one. After seeing Javier in two and now watching him in the first one it’s almost as if they aren’t even the same character.
Por mais que os jogos sejam entrelaçados, isso é uma prova que sacrificaram certas narrativas no 2, o Javier do 2 nao diria oque disse no 1 sobre a famila de John, e John nao tem motivos para tratar ele com tanto rancor, ate porque no começo do 2, Javier junto ao Arthur é o unico disposto a correr risco para procurar John na montanha de neve em meio aos lobos, fora que Arthur é importante demais para nao ser citado em nenhuma das conversas entre os antigos membros da gang, principalmente os principais como o proprio Javier, ele facilmente foi levado pela lealdade a Dutch, por ter sido o unico que o ajudou, mas ele nao é nem de longe ruim e merecedor de um final tao morno igual ao 1.
Why should u put someone dead in a cell
People who played RDR1 first seeing this scene: “Wow crazy sobraro dude” 🔫🤠
People who played RDR2 first seeing this scene: ☠️
In my playthrough Javier stole my horse and threw himself over a cliff
Still the best death animations in any game.
Dawg wtf happened with javier between rdr2 and rdr1. Mf was mighty handsome back then
When I first played this game, I killed Javier by accident and every time now I play this mission I let Javier live…..I would rather capture him than kill him….
John looks quite sad before spitting on Javiers corpse. Wondering if he did that to detach.
1:31 that was funny hearing him cursing in Mexican Spanish 😂
i know the story of rdr2 took some liberties when connecting the almost decade old story of the first game but it really made john seem like a bitter old fart here since neither javier or bill left him in the cold like he claims. it was Dutch's call and they just truly believed he was dead.
bill and javier were more blind loyals than true evil characters that rdr1 portrayed them to be
They were with Dutch when he left John lol. They both betrayed John
Even tho John is just doing what he has to, its rather better to unalive Xavier himself than give him to the pinkertons alive since thats what they all fought agaist side by side…Makes him look like a complete rata.
FBI not pinkertons
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u And?
*Javier
Is it not slightly creepy how Javier’s dead body turned their head whilst in the cell despite the fact he is dead
It makes it so much sadder after playing rdr2
Javier lost all of his drip abilities after rdr 2
If rdr1 came out it was basically because of Javier, since if he and Arthur had never gone to save John, 1 would not even have existed or maybe they would have changed Javier for charls or someone like that
God, if they ever remake this game I hope they add in some little bits about Arthur. After RDR2 he needs some referencing.
It’s already said in the second game that John doesn’t talk about Arthur but thinks about him a lot so he really doesn’t need to be mentioned
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u That doesn't mean references to him shouldn't be added or the game wouldn't benefit from them, especially since the original game has John hunting down the people who betrayed and murdered Arthur. The only reason that was said in RDR2 was because Arthur wasn't conceptualised when they created RDR1 so he was never mentioned and they wanted to address that as best they could at the time. If they did do a remake, that wouldn't be the case.
The line doesn't even hold up in RDR2 itself because John references Arthur a bunch in the epilogue lol
I know Arthur wasn't thought of yet, but let's say Red Dead Redemption 2 was the first one created, and Arthur survives but everything ends up the same and all, I wonder if John would have tried to kill Arthur.
It really sucks what they did to javier in chapter 5 of rdr 2 he really isn't sure what side to choose because he cares and have a good bond between arthur and john mostly john, Javier just picked dutch because he had no choice but to pick the leader of the gang his the only one who is hesitating to aim the gun on john and arthur
I killed Javier and Bill because of the betrayal and for siding with Dutch and Micah.
I never killed Javier while playing this mission, not because of his rdr2 moments with Arthur and John, or because Ross expects you to bring him alive, but because I always liked his style and character. Javier on rdr1 is the archetype of the Mexican desperado with that misterious aura we don't know from. He's a guy that we heard a lot trough all the game, but we get to see him at one only mission. His story and background are so lost and confused as the choices he had made in life, and even his dialogues with John are made to be so ironic and ambigous on way that we don't expect to see a scenario of them killing each other. He was clearly wrote as more of an anti-hero type of character, instead of the others that are purely evil people/ or dreamers who went mad. If John is the "Good", and Dutch is the "Bad", i surely believe that Javier was made to be the "Ugly" one from this story. And i think was because of it, that they made the option to we just capture him. But if I had a chance to make Javier survive to the end, i would shurely make it. Such underrated character.
Dutch is not in Columbia 💀
John actually sheds a tear when putting javier in the cell
Wiping the side of his face doesn’t mean he’s wiping a tear
I never killed Javier, and didn’t really want to kill bill even before playing rdr2 because many times throughout the game until then John stated that they were like brothers and *he* didn’t really want to kill them let alone search for them and capture them. Playing the second game made me realize how bill felt and why he felt the way he felt about John and his family, and Javier in the ending didn’t even point his gun at John and Arthur.
He aims at Arthur just before the shooting starts but everyone ignores it for some reason
He dies anyway.
It would be great if they remade those dialogues for a remaster and have John say "then you, Micah and Dutch went crazy and family didn't mean so much"
Wait I think John is capturing his members to pay for his crimes
Right?
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I always kill Javier since he always lived free
He ended it riding into the sunset
How the hell did Javier go from being very good to very bad.
I feel like RDR1 and RDR2 Javiers are different characters (not literally, but in the way they're designed). In RDR1, Javier was basically a stereotypical Speedy Gonzales Mexican, and nobody really thought about his past or motivations back then. Such a character wouldn't fit Dutch's gang in RDR2, so in that game, Javier is way more complex and less sketchy. A remake could've "smooth out" the transision from Javier RDR2 to Javier RDR1, yet we're unlikely to see that remake.
The reason I don't kill him is to hear him say "puto" 😂, which means "f*ck3r" in Spanish.
Honestly. If I were able half the characters in the story would have gotten capped.
This is the biggest mistake of RDR 2. John doesn’t mention Arthur at all in RDR1 and what he is saying right now to Javier didn’t really happen nor would it be something that John would harbor resentment for. Javier and Bill didn’t really go crazy. They just stuck with the gang. All that aside, red dead redemption two is the best game ever
Javier dies. Every time.
"your wife sends her regards, heh heh"
javier learned his favorite word
Bro javier was my favourite character before chapter 6
Hated the way they made him turned out cuz Javier was one of my faves from the camp