still is no game today to surpass on details RDR2 i doubt GTA 6 will surpass this and im not talk graphics , always GTA is arcade type , not realistic one
I honestly would love to see a native who's well versed in American history react to Rains fall and his tribe. It would be interesting to see how accurate they were portrayed in the game with the added context of a tribesmen giving insight on the thoughts and feelings of his people during this time
I plan on doing that someday. They're Lakota so it's better to get a Lakota though I'm Mohawk put it this way i know more about their culture than most non natives but less than a Lakota themselves. There s no Wapiti tribe but RF and EF are both Lakota Nation cause of th language spoken. I think Rans Fall might be personally based on Red Cloud while his son is more like Crazy Horse
Yea would be cool, too bad we killed all of them Edit: there seems to be some confusion, i was joking here. I just know we killed alot of them in the past
Get him and a cowboy/historian together. That mini-storyline is all about old crime (rural riders) meeting the emerging, future way of crime (urban, suited goons). Would be interesting to see a clash of ideas/attitudes on both game and experts
@@metafication yeah, I think they showed very little about Angelo's Bronte mob. There is plenty of things to show over there. Also Mafia 3, which he never reviewed.
It went at a nice pace, showing the end of the wild west and encroaching civilization and law, and the closer they got, the more desperate and irrational Dutch became
I love how Michael sees one scene with Micah after the bank job goes wrong and he's like, "Yeah, he gave them up." I've always been on the fence on the "was or wasn't Micah a rat" debate, but I think his immediate assessment closed it for me.
@@craig2196 That's because they kept shooting up every town and robbing every place they came in contact with. The pinkertons were searching for them constantly and the gang made it easier for them by being idiots. Micah didn't rat until after Guarma, that was confirmed by rockstar devs.
I wish they'd given Michael a bit more info about the scenes he was reacting to, especially the scene at the Braithewaite manor. Even gangsters would balk at the idea of kidnapping a 4 year old over a personal dispute.
The Cosa Nostra in the U.S. - you're mostly correct. In Italy, or when talking about other mafia organizations like the Camorra and 'Ndrangheta...not so much, especially the former as the Camorra killed an estimated 200 children in Italy during the '90s. More recently, the Pope spoke directly to the mafiosi in 2014 about asking them to "stop doing evil" after the targeting and murder of a 3-year-old boy.
He just made me realize.. What if Rockstar did a Mafia game.. holy crap I could 100% see that happening down the line and it would be so good. Nobody would expect that.
@@ok9908 You work for the mob in multiple GTA titles, and play AS a mobster in Liberty City Stories as well as Vice City. Believe or not, GTA V isn't the only GTA game that exists.
Video games are an under appreciated art that is becoming more and more recognised as a medium to tell a powerful story. He said he likes westerns, and as westerns go RDR2 has a great story.
RDR2 isn’t just a great western, it’s one of the greatest stories told in a game period. Along with arguably the best protagonist a game has ever seen in Arthur Morgan
I hate to bring this conversation to this particular game, because it was so well made and everything, but I think because players are actively involved that games can get away with fairly rudimentary stories and be considered narrative masterpieces without much effort. This _can_ happen with movies and I imagine literature too, after all, it has always mattered at least a little bit more how a story is told than what it contains. The story seems pretty safe to me as far as Rockstar games goes. The characters play their expected roles and don't really deviate from them. It feels like they reinforce the same points over an over, just in this one game, but up to and including rehashing the ending from the first Red Dead Redemption. I mentioned in the comments of a completely different video that the basic plot seems like it got a trial run in GTAIV's "Lost and Damned" DLC. Even though that almost seems _less_ safe to me because it has such a downer ending but they don't kill the protagonist at the end. I don't know. It's obvious I'm in the minority by being disappointed, and normally I wouldn't care but I think my biggest pet peeve is Rockstar never lets a story unfold. I don't know how many hours it takes to finish RDR2, but It would've been more interesting to me to see Dutch perhaps go from charasmatic, ideological revolutionary to a volatile gangster in love with the smell of his own farts. As it stands getting a whiff of his own farts is pretty much what we can assume he's always been about despite some disputed words to the contrary. If anyone thinks "well it's clever they let players decide for themselves" imagine how much more clever it would be if you showed us the gang at the height of their loyalty to Dutch, and we were _still_ in a position to decide for ourselves. Look at this way, in the first game Dutch suggests that Abbigail was a prostitute who slept with every member of the gang, even if the prequel retains the basic backstory of Abbigail's prostitution (I don't remember anything about it) they don't _really_ paint a picture of a gang were that scenario seems even remotely plausible. That's the kind of thing I mean when I say "safe"
Also the graphics does it justice for old timers like him. No way he could look at say play station 1 graphics and enjoy it the same from spectating. Playing it of course is different.
@@futurestoryteller Was about to say that, he's smart but defo not a historian. Train robberies weren't as common as people think, over 50 years between the 1860's to the 1910's there were only about 1,000 or so recorded train robberies, and that's just in general, failed and successful robberies.
Check out his reactions to the mafia games. Much better assessment since he was actually in that life (instead of an outlaw cowboy 50+ years before he was born).
FR!!!! I think it’s because he wasn’t kidding 😂 he’s such an interesting guy but I can tell he is a scary mf if you get on his bad side from some of the stories he tells
He was talking about illegal firearms. There isn't a bad system, it's the cartel pumping illegal guns into the country that get sold without a need for licenses or background checks.
I'd be down to see Michael react to Mafia 3. Granted it's the least Mafia-like but it's more or less around his time as a mobster/captain at that point.
Admittedly I don't know the overall plot of the game. But he said in his American Gangster video that he doesn't really distinguish mob guys based on race, and that in his opinion Frank Lucas was one of the greatest mobsters that ever lived. So if if it's mostly about the black protagonist I don't think he'd find fault there, not the way... some gamers have
@@futurestoryteller Mafia 3's issues weren't due to Lincoln Clay being black, he was a great protag with a compelling arc. It was the game's lackluster sandbox that dragged the game down. Watching a 'Mafia 3 Movie' youtube video of the main story is awesome.
@@Bateluer I've heard the criticisms you're talking about but Mafia is the game that fans tauted as "so realistic you have to actually fill up your gas tank" . I mean... have you played the opening of the first Mafia game from 2001? It made me want to blow the back of my skull out, and suddenly the hardcore fans of _this series_ have a problem with realist tedium. I saw a lot of "This isn't a mafia game, the main guy is against the mafia in this game" So I'm aware that there are people who criticize every game in good faith, I was referencing people who drag down games like this - transparently - in bad faith
@@futurestoryteller I've only played the remake/remaster for Mafia 1 and 2, normal release for Mafia 3. I didn't find them to be models of realism. I maintain what I said about M3 . . . it was the lackluster open world sandbox implementation, not Lincoln Clay that dragged it down. M3's main story, supporting cast, and multiple endings are all great. The after credit scene with John Donovan is legendary.
The Pinkerton Detective Agency was a private investigator firm which back then was hired by the U.S. government as well as various private clients - such as Mr. Cornwall in the game - to deal with interstate crime cases that could be anything from a missing person case to taking down outlaws like the game's Van der Linde Gang. They were very expensive but had the largest force of field agents in the States; in a sense they were forerunner for the FBI. Also, something I noticed as a regularity in the commentary: cowboys are NOT to be mixed with outlaws and gunmen. Being a cowboy was a legitimate business of herding cattle from A to B across long distances and living on the rough along the animals, as opposed to ranchers who were working at a more or less fixed location. It was the bandits and outlaw gangs that made a living by robbing trains, banks, stagecoaches, etc. Fun fact: There was also a tradition of "cowboying" in Europe as well up to the mid/late 1700s in Central Europe and the Balkans, with medieval Hungary being the biggest contributor to it. Since Hungarians had a nomadic ancestry before settling in Europe, trekking long distances with animals wasn't at all a strange concept and they herded quality cattle for meat and hide as far as the markets of London. In Hungarian we called these people a "hajdú" (hajdúk in plural) which is a derivative of the word "hajtó" which means - among other things - a herder or cattler.
Yes, but cowboys did also venture into outlaw or bandit territory as well. Some cattle barons made their cowboys commit crimes such as murder, intimidation, and robbery. There's some interesting stories out there about it on TH-cam.
I'd like him to react to more RD2 content but at least give him some context of cutscene instead of a blind reaction cause he might have a different opinions/reaction if he know what's actually happening
Right? He gets introduced to the mob boss and the next scene, he's been kidnapped already, in his pajamas and gets drowned. Maybe the scene where they actually assault his estate and kidnap him?
It's not even a spoiler problem because, Michael isn't gonna be playing RDR2. Let's be honest. lol. So I don't think spoiling him on the plot is going to really matter.
Let's just say killing Micah aka giving that sniveling, cowardly rat what he deserved as John in the post-game epilogue was so satisfying and it helped that I hated Micah's guts due to how he acted in the main story.
@BradenOnYT no one hates Micah more than The actor lol! he even said so himself he was legit hurt playing out the scenes but knew he had to be the bad guy n be hated.
Whether it is accurate or not. The acting and characters and setting is just top notch. Its really a good modern tribute to old western movies. If it somehow came out in the 60's it would be a hit for several reasons. Not just because of the alien high tech technology its run on.
It's interesting. Humans act different but quite the same simultaneously no matter what time period. I'm sure we won't change much a hundred years from now.
At least with Dutch, he wouldn't have you killed if you just decided to leave. I mean, before he went off the deep end, of course, but as early as the Lemoyne exploits, anyone could come and go. Marston left for one or two years and was welcomed back with open arms.
@@ElPayasoMaloTwo years. Marston left for two years and Morgan complained that no one else would have been welcomed back like that after being gone so long.
I would love to see him react to GTA 4 since he was in the New York mafia, and you have to deal with a lot of crime families in that game Russian, Italian etc
I'd love a GTA IV reaction video. In fact, it would've made more sense for Michael to react to than RDR2 since it even depicts the Five Families of New York including The Colombos.
@@nathanmonteiro2822 I've always loved that quality about IV, it has this feeling to its story and world that no other crime game quite gives me. I can only hope that one day we'd return to that same Liberty City and cast of characters.
I think it's cool to have an actual ex-capo of a real mob to validate everything in a mafia game. It's like sitting in a classroom and a special speaker comes in and you're just locked into his speech. I love the authenticity.
3:10 They were essentially tipped off They raided a rival gang camp And found plans to rob a train And figured if their rivals wanted to rob it there must be something worth it
My man was already making calculations to understand whether he and his people could take the Van Der Linde gang. Gotta appreciate the way such a mind works.
I think It would be better if Michael reacted to Mafia 3, GTA 4-5, Sleeping Dogs or the Yakuza games. Doesn't seem like the wild west is something a mafia boss can relate to as much.
@@themadtitan7603 why is your nerd ass on EVERY red dead video I watch? 🤣🤦♂️ not even annoyed I'm just like amazed you have this much free time on your hands lmao
I disagree. The characters are great, but the storyline basically amounts to: "We need more money Arthur!" "Let's go get some money!" (Something goes wrong) (Big shootout). Rinse and repeat for 50 hours. Also it's silly that they're in constant need of money when the player can be carrying thousands of dollars; which would probably be worth hundreds of thousands these days.
@@inputfunny Still, it's a good history, a little repetive sometimes, but most of the scenes and camera plans are very cool, besides, sometimes what makes a good game isn't the original history line, You could watch for example "Little Nightmares" and "Little Nightmares 2" both of them have kind of the same history "we are in an unknown world and the only thing we can do is survive" now, the cool thing about little nightmares it's how is shown in the story, while you are escaping to survive, lots of things are going on in the background, and if you play both games maybe the first time you won't get it, but after playing it some times you will understand some of the symbolisms and parts of the history of why the world is like this.
@@inputfunny That perfectly describes RDR2's story. It's a masterpiece of a character exploration and writing but as a plot with missions, it's a great but flawed story. Chapters 4 with Bronte is rushed, Guarma is a weird, abrupt detour from the main game and Chapter 6 quickly tries to wrap stories brought up earlier like the Wapiti tribe in the middle of the gang's downfall. Again, it's a good story, but I don't think it'd be as excellent if not the excellent character development and performances.
@@inputfunny many big robberies by them failed ...and players money together is low to start a new life because the money is distributed as a whole..and they re really had money dutch snapped and wanted to create chaos
I would've loved more emphasis on Bronte's crime syndicate in Saint Denis (RDR's New Orleans) and Michael's reaction to it and the idea of the criminals of the old meeting the new, civilized form of organized crime that he brought up. Still, it's always entertaining to hear his insight into crime stories.
Hey bud we see you on every read dead video comment section. Calm down its not that serious getting a reaction 🤣🤦♂️ in am curious how you have this much free time on your hands? Unemployed or just a kid?
Really enjoyed what he had to say at the end about it's better to be loved than feared. There is definitely a lot of wisdom in that and it's VERY in line with Arthur's whole character arc in the game.
In the first train robbery it was actually scouted and planned by the rival gang the O'Driscolls. The Van Der Linde gang gets wind of it when they raid an O'Driscoll camp and decided to do the job themselves. Also I remember a video you made about the Cosa Nostra originating in New Orleans. San Denis is the equivalent of New Orleans in RDR2.
There actually were many rules of war in these times. One of the most commonly known was that bayonets cannot be triangle shaped because it made nearly unsalvageable wounds. Reason these laws and practices existed was because many of the lawmakers and politicians of the time partook in the war and saw or even were subjugated to the effects of it so they had first hand experience on "what was just too far".
Nope. Triangular bayonets were never banned, didn't cause more grievous wounds, and were actually designed like that to make them more durable. Give a grunt an expensive, fragile peice of kit and he'll show you how to use it to pound a nail in.
I love how he talks about the events happening not as someone who will claim he knows the lifestyle of the wild west but as someone who wonders and thinks about if it was like that and maybe add some of his experience to it. Really fun listening and thinking about it as well. He has a point about security, it isn't like today where there are cameras or other security measures. I do wonder if they had the five families then how would it had been like.
He mentions Yellowstone, I wonder how much grey area "organized crime" occurs on some of these ranches out West. Grey area in that it's in that weird dubious legal limbo where ranchers are the law unto themselves in certain areas
This game has something for everyone us western lovers and outlaw gangs. Storywise its also awesome and you really get emotional. Not alot of games make you feel that way :)
Love is a far better motivator then fear. I would never betray someone I love out of fear, but I would certainly betray someone I hate out of fear, and since I usually hate the people I fear that would be a problem for the person I fear less.
@michaelfranzese 13:48 there was an episode of the show Deadliest Warrior (season 2, episode 3) which pitted the Jesse James Gang versus Al Capone's Chicago Outfit. I think you would enjoy it.
I can confirm through a friend of mine that it is possible to pay your way out of the mob. He got caught up in a gun fight while picking up drugs from the triads. Decided that's not how he wanted to go. Paid 10k to get out quietly. That was nearly a decade ago. No trouble since then.
I must remind everyone, during the events of RDR2 (Red Dead Redemption 2), the year was set in 1899, while the wild west ended in 1865. During the early 1900, we are beginning to see the construction of cities, federal law, and travel on a national scale. RDR2 represents the end of the gunslingers and outlaws, where the last few criminals and vigilantes are hunted down and either arrested or hung.
1) We know what "RDR2" is. No need to add "Red Dead Redemption 2" in parentheses. 2) You don't need to explain the plot of RDR2. We fucking know. In fact, what you just said is explained with text in the opening of the game.
actually, contrary to popular belief shootouts like this didn't happen all that often. tombstone was the most violent city in the wild west and there were only 3 murders a year
Good point about being feared and loved. Arthur and John truly loved Dutch despite his faults and never betrayed him to the law unlike Micah. We can the same with Molly and even Strauss they never said anything
So weird that they didn't show him the Angelo Bronte parts. What a missed opportunity. I would've like to see his take on an authentic Mobster that came from Italy and how he seen through Dutch. And Bronte was a major factor in chapter 4 so it's really weird they didn't include him. Once again a major missed opportunity
So we've got a 50 yr old man reacting to a fictional 1899 and trying desperately hard to relate it to his real life/past experiences? I mean this guy says "back in the day" and he's referring to 100 yrs after this narrative. Isn't the name Anything4Views already taken?
He DID go to prison. He carried out his sentence and is now free. Despite being in the mob, he was never personally linked to any murders or serious violent crimes, so he didn't get life in prison.
For the train robbery, they knew who the train belonged to and that it was likely worth robbing because they stole plans from a rival gang that was planning the robbery for months.
those cowboys are bold is the best description of the original van der linde gang.Even bill who gets a lot of shit for being an idiot is as brave as it gets,especially in the swap gunfight
"When you choose love over fear, and people no longer love you, then you will be forgotten while fading into irrelevance. When you choose fear over love, and people no longer fear you, then you will not be forgotten. People will come looking for you." -Me
why would a mobster from the 70s and 80s review a game set in 1899 that has a nothing to do with the mafia but has a small segment about an italian crime boss?
7:48 I thought the same thing when I got to this scene. I mean we knew it wasn't going to ever happen at this point, but had we been in his position I think most of us wouldn't have tried that angle. Maybe if Dutch WASN'T there it might've seemed like a play, but you don't really want to try that when the boss is right in front of them.
He's right about the guns. Which is exactly why more laws to infringe our rights won't do any good at all. It will only allow those who get guns illegally to have guns.
@@jacobsampsonis7782 not all the way, but why red dead redemption 2 not GTA 4 or something? What I’m trying to say he doesn’t really fit into this because he’s not a cowboy he didn’t grow up in the 1800s obviously and most of us are watching these reaction videos to see if it’s realistic these games if that would actually happen or not and since he’s not a cowboy he’s saying, “I don’t know if that might happen that might’ve happened” a lot it would’ve been better if they got a historian, cowboy or a rancher or a Wild West reenactor historian to watch these
@@jacobsampsonis7782 Eh, but it's only part when it would've made more sense to be the entire focus of the video. All of Angelo Bronte's cutscenes and missions, maybe only show the end *"Blood Feuds, Ancient and Modern"* to explain why they go to Bronte but again, the video should've only been about him.
@@BayAreaMike99 Agreed and besides the actual mafia part of the game is just one aspect of the video when it should've been the entire focus imo. Also a historian or reenactor historian would've fit best because a modern day rancher or cowboy wouldn't know much about 1800s outlaws which is a different thing than being a cowboy.
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I love how he appreciates the graphics
Shit the game will forever hold up bro even the RDR1 game too lol.
@@Yerrrr7899 truth.
No shit, game is incredibly beautiful
still is no game today to surpass on details RDR2
i doubt GTA 6 will surpass this and im not talk graphics , always GTA is arcade type , not realistic one
arguably the best looking game of all time, I don't think even in 20 years rdr2 will look bad compared to what's new
I honestly would love to see a native who's well versed in American history react to Rains fall and his tribe. It would be interesting to see how accurate they were portrayed in the game with the added context of a tribesmen giving insight on the thoughts and feelings of his people during this time
This!
I plan on doing that someday. They're Lakota so it's better to get a Lakota though I'm Mohawk put it this way i know more about their culture than most non natives but less than a Lakota themselves. There s no Wapiti tribe but RF and EF are both Lakota Nation cause of th language spoken. I think Rans Fall might be personally based on Red Cloud while his son is more like Crazy Horse
@@northeastokwari1889 lemme know if you actually do the video, I'll check it out
Yea would be cool, too bad we killed all of them
Edit: there seems to be some confusion, i was joking here. I just know we killed alot of them in the past
Unrelated but Idk what tribe my mom's dad is from but ngl we need more games like AC4. The sheer energy I felt playing that....
Ex-mob boss reacts to Angelo Bronte's mob would be amazing.
Get him and a cowboy/historian together. That mini-storyline is all about old crime (rural riders) meeting the emerging, future way of crime (urban, suited goons). Would be interesting to see a clash of ideas/attitudes on both game and experts
@@metafication yeah, I think they showed very little about Angelo's Bronte mob. There is plenty of things to show over there. Also Mafia 3, which he never reviewed.
It would be interesting to hear him talk about the mob before Luciano's time.
I really thought that's what this was. Seems to make little sense otherwise. Still fun to see his reactions but it's unrelated lol
@@aveteranplayer6403 SHUT UP DONT LET HIM WATCH ANYTHING ELSE
I love that Dutch's plan just goes sideways from the get go. Kinda like how most plans go.
Yea because of Micah
It went at a nice pace, showing the end of the wild west and encroaching civilization and law, and the closer they got, the more desperate and irrational Dutch became
@@recorepro Not all, some dutch fucked up like it was planned to be fucked
@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou micah was sabotaginh dutch everytime.
"Dutch always has a plan" -John Marston
This is an unexpected surprise. Franzese has adjusted well despite being 70 years old
Dude ages like wine
@@Heyhowareya97 His presence highlights the importance of taking care of your self even in old age. That and his genetics are top notch.
I know right? Dude carries himself like he's in his 40s
Lol he looks 55
He is 70? He looks like he is 50 lol
“I’d rather be loved than feared”
His reasoning behind that is awesome. Love watching this stuff!
"easy both, i want people to be afraid of how much they love me" - Michael Scott
Finally someone who understands Machiavelli’s quote. “Better to be feared than loved *if you can’t be both.”*
Fear makes people leave, love makes people get closer and stay.
As of rn, 96 likes, so eciN
Makes sense. People would turn on a monster if they saw a chance, but a person you trust and respect has a moment more of hesistation.
I love how Michael sees one scene with Micah after the bank job goes wrong and he's like, "Yeah, he gave them up." I've always been on the fence on the "was or wasn't Micah a rat" debate, but I think his immediate assessment closed it for me.
he actually didn't give them up until after guarma
@@houseofaction We have no idea if that's true. It's a theory with some weight, but we don't know for sure.
@@houseofaction but ever since Micha joined PERIOD the gang was always running behind the Pinkerton's
@@craig2196 That's because they kept shooting up every town and robbing every place they came in contact with. The pinkertons were searching for them constantly and the gang made it easier for them by being idiots. Micah didn't rat until after Guarma, that was confirmed by rockstar devs.
@@Triple-Four you really find it a coincidence that the second Micah joined Dutch started losing it? Also proof would be great. Link preferred.
I wish they'd given Michael a bit more info about the scenes he was reacting to, especially the scene at the Braithewaite manor. Even gangsters would balk at the idea of kidnapping a 4 year old over a personal dispute.
@@user-ph3ji8gp3pI think he would’ve had something interesting to say if he knew they were pinkertons. Wish I could’ve known his reaction to that
The Cosa Nostra in the U.S. - you're mostly correct. In Italy, or when talking about other mafia organizations like the Camorra and 'Ndrangheta...not so much, especially the former as the Camorra killed an estimated 200 children in Italy during the '90s. More recently, the Pope spoke directly to the mafiosi in 2014 about asking them to "stop doing evil" after the targeting and murder of a 3-year-old boy.
even worse when they used gameplay recorded from a disabled toddler
@@Just_a_Piano_ you don't know that for sure. It could've been an average games journalist.
@@Hank.. yeah you're right, a disabled toddler could do better than that
He just made me realize.. What if Rockstar did a Mafia game.. holy crap I could 100% see that happening down the line and it would be so good. Nobody would expect that.
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Anyone gonna tell him?
@@nsahandler nah but they do need to remake LA.Niore
@@nsahandler Rockstar hasn't made a game yet that's directly about the Mafia.
"Nobody would expect that"
Except from you, apparently
@@ok9908 You work for the mob in multiple GTA titles, and play AS a mobster in Liberty City Stories as well as Vice City. Believe or not, GTA V isn't the only GTA game that exists.
Seeing Hosea got shot always stopped my heart for a second, every time...
It stopped his too 😅
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Video games are an under appreciated art that is becoming more and more recognised as a medium to tell a powerful story. He said he likes westerns, and as westerns go RDR2 has a great story.
RDR2 isn’t just a great western, it’s one of the greatest stories told in a game period. Along with arguably the best protagonist a game has ever seen in Arthur Morgan
I hate to bring this conversation to this particular game, because it was so well made and everything, but I think because players are actively involved that games can get away with fairly rudimentary stories and be considered narrative masterpieces without much effort. This _can_ happen with movies and I imagine literature too, after all, it has always mattered at least a little bit more how a story is told than what it contains.
The story seems pretty safe to me as far as Rockstar games goes. The characters play their expected roles and don't really deviate from them. It feels like they reinforce the same points over an over, just in this one game, but up to and including rehashing the ending from the first Red Dead Redemption.
I mentioned in the comments of a completely different video that the basic plot seems like it got a trial run in GTAIV's "Lost and Damned" DLC. Even though that almost seems _less_ safe to me because it has such a downer ending but they don't kill the protagonist at the end.
I don't know. It's obvious I'm in the minority by being disappointed, and normally I wouldn't care but I think my biggest pet peeve is Rockstar never lets a story unfold. I don't know how many hours it takes to finish RDR2, but It would've been more interesting to me to see Dutch perhaps go from charasmatic, ideological revolutionary to a volatile gangster in love with the smell of his own farts. As it stands getting a whiff of his own farts is pretty much what we can assume he's always been about despite some disputed words to the contrary. If anyone thinks "well it's clever they let players decide for themselves" imagine how much more clever it would be if you showed us the gang at the height of their loyalty to Dutch, and we were _still_ in a position to decide for ourselves.
Look at this way, in the first game Dutch suggests that Abbigail was a prostitute who slept with every member of the gang, even if the prequel retains the basic backstory of Abbigail's prostitution (I don't remember anything about it) they don't _really_ paint a picture of a gang were that scenario seems even remotely plausible. That's the kind of thing I mean when I say "safe"
Also the graphics does it justice for old timers like him. No way he could look at say play station 1 graphics and enjoy it the same from spectating. Playing it of course is different.
I don’t even know if rdr2 can be just considered as a western at this point
@@radicalman7304 the first and second parts of the story are western for sure. but once they move into the city the western theme is gone.
Met this guy in July . He’s a slight man, 5’7 probably 130lbs. But his eyes and aura are intimidating no doubt . He’s the real deal
And should be in jail
Wtf is this hunter X hunter? Never liked when people type or say the word "aura" UN ironically 🤣💯
@@josiahgonzalez942 its just a synonym for a persons vibe, energy, etc. Its how we can tell certain people are bad to be around, and some are good.
@@Pause-ta with just one word " aura "
Wouldn't want to mess with him. He's got dat experience for sure
Love his reactions. Gives me a perspective on how realistic and unrealistic is, during this time period.
He's not really a historian. But he is a smart guy who's lived quite a bit of life
how? hes not a historian lmao
@@futurestoryteller Was about to say that, he's smart but defo not a historian. Train robberies weren't as common as people think, over 50 years between the 1860's to the 1910's there were only about 1,000 or so recorded train robberies, and that's just in general, failed and successful robberies.
Check out his reactions to the mafia games. Much better assessment since he was actually in that life (instead of an outlaw cowboy 50+ years before he was born).
@@altair5240 I mean the population was much smaller back then so 1000 is still a big figure
"If I needed a gun, today... I'd have whatever I wanted." Something chilling about that line.
FR!!!! I think it’s because he wasn’t kidding 😂 he’s such an interesting guy but I can tell he is a scary mf if you get on his bad side from some of the stories he tells
Easier to get a fun than put a criminal in jail, somehow
black markets really improved, you can get anything from mexican cartels or the dark web these days.
Scary to know that people like him can take advantage of a bad system like that at any moment.
He was talking about illegal firearms. There isn't a bad system, it's the cartel pumping illegal guns into the country that get sold without a need for licenses or background checks.
I'd be down to see Michael react to Mafia 3. Granted it's the least Mafia-like but it's more or less around his time as a mobster/captain at that point.
I would too, since he mentioned one of the main bosses in Mafia 3's New Orleans allegory.
Admittedly I don't know the overall plot of the game. But he said in his American Gangster video that he doesn't really distinguish mob guys based on race, and that in his opinion Frank Lucas was one of the greatest mobsters that ever lived. So if if it's mostly about the black protagonist I don't think he'd find fault there, not the way... some gamers have
@@futurestoryteller Mafia 3's issues weren't due to Lincoln Clay being black, he was a great protag with a compelling arc. It was the game's lackluster sandbox that dragged the game down. Watching a 'Mafia 3 Movie' youtube video of the main story is awesome.
@@Bateluer I've heard the criticisms you're talking about but Mafia is the game that fans tauted as "so realistic you have to actually fill up your gas tank" . I mean... have you played the opening of the first Mafia game from 2001? It made me want to blow the back of my skull out, and suddenly the hardcore fans of _this series_ have a problem with realist tedium.
I saw a lot of "This isn't a mafia game, the main guy is against the mafia in this game"
So I'm aware that there are people who criticize every game in good faith, I was referencing people who drag down games like this - transparently - in bad faith
@@futurestoryteller I've only played the remake/remaster for Mafia 1 and 2, normal release for Mafia 3. I didn't find them to be models of realism. I maintain what I said about M3 . . . it was the lackluster open world sandbox implementation, not Lincoln Clay that dragged it down. M3's main story, supporting cast, and multiple endings are all great. The after credit scene with John Donovan is legendary.
The Pinkerton Detective Agency was a private investigator firm which back then was hired by the U.S. government as well as various private clients - such as Mr. Cornwall in the game - to deal with interstate crime cases that could be anything from a missing person case to taking down outlaws like the game's Van der Linde Gang. They were very expensive but had the largest force of field agents in the States; in a sense they were forerunner for the FBI. Also, something I noticed as a regularity in the commentary: cowboys are NOT to be mixed with outlaws and gunmen. Being a cowboy was a legitimate business of herding cattle from A to B across long distances and living on the rough along the animals, as opposed to ranchers who were working at a more or less fixed location. It was the bandits and outlaw gangs that made a living by robbing trains, banks, stagecoaches, etc.
Fun fact: There was also a tradition of "cowboying" in Europe as well up to the mid/late 1700s in Central Europe and the Balkans, with medieval Hungary being the biggest contributor to it. Since Hungarians had a nomadic ancestry before settling in Europe, trekking long distances with animals wasn't at all a strange concept and they herded quality cattle for meat and hide as far as the markets of London. In Hungarian we called these people a "hajdú" (hajdúk in plural) which is a derivative of the word "hajtó" which means - among other things - a herder or cattler.
And then apparently the plural “hajdúk” became a singular in Romanian as “haiduc,” and in South Slavic languages too, IIRC
I didn't know that about hajdu! My great grandparents came to Canada from Hungary as refugees in 1914. I raise cattle now in western Canada (BC).
@@Halocon720 Yes, because Slavic languages have a more rigid vowel-consonant harmony system and can't handle words ending in a vowel that well.
@@canadianeh4792 In all fairness, by that time in went out of existence as a profession :D But that's very interesting and nice to know :)
Yes, but cowboys did also venture into outlaw or bandit territory as well. Some cattle barons made their cowboys commit crimes such as murder, intimidation, and robbery. There's some interesting stories out there about it on TH-cam.
I'd like him to react to more RD2 content but at least give him some context of cutscene instead of a blind reaction cause he might have a different opinions/reaction if he know what's actually happening
Right? He gets introduced to the mob boss and the next scene, he's been kidnapped already, in his pajamas and gets drowned. Maybe the scene where they actually assault his estate and kidnap him?
@@jacobsampsonis7782 Yeah, this is something that has always bothered me about these reaction videos.
@@themadtitan7603 Aye, full agreement.
It's not even a spoiler problem because, Michael isn't gonna be playing RDR2. Let's be honest. lol. So I don't think spoiling him on the plot is going to really matter.
@The Mad Titan I see you on every RDR video ha. I'm glad someone is as big of a fan as i am.
Let's just say killing Micah aka giving that sniveling, cowardly rat what he deserved as John in the post-game epilogue was so satisfying and it helped that I hated Micah's guts due to how he acted in the main story.
Van der Linde helped kill Micah too... in fact if he hadn't helped you you wouldn't have been able to kill him in the game...
@BradenOnYT no one hates Micah more than The actor lol! he even said so himself he was legit hurt playing out the scenes but knew he had to be the bad guy n be hated.
It’s sad that killing Micah basically got John killed because it got the Pinkertons back on him
Ok
@@space7681 Revenge is a fool's game.
How tf are you finding these people
Jail probably.
He's Batman
He’s Batman in a dif body
Whether it is accurate or not. The acting and characters and setting is just top notch. Its really a good modern tribute to old western movies. If it somehow came out in the 60's it would be a hit for several reasons. Not just because of the alien high tech technology its run on.
Shows that no matter the time period, the gang life is the same no matter what.
It's interesting. Humans act different but quite the same simultaneously no matter what time period. I'm sure we won't change much a hundred years from now.
At least with Dutch, he wouldn't have you killed if you just decided to leave. I mean, before he went off the deep end, of course, but as early as the Lemoyne exploits, anyone could come and go. Marston left for one or two years and was welcomed back with open arms.
@@ElPayasoMaloTwo years. Marston left for two years and Morgan complained that no one else would have been welcomed back like that after being gone so long.
I would love to see him react to GTA 4 since he was in the New York mafia, and you have to deal with a lot of crime families in that game Russian, Italian etc
I'd love a GTA IV reaction video. In fact, it would've made more sense for Michael to react to than RDR2 since it even depicts the Five Families of New York including The Colombos.
For me GTA 4 is almost like a sopranos game adaption, especially towards the end where you are deeply involved in the new york/new jersey mafia.
@@nathanmonteiro2822 fr the overworld, dark, depressing, bleak vibe is just like sopranos
@@nathanmonteiro2822 I've always loved that quality about IV, it has this feeling to its story and world that no other crime game quite gives me. I can only hope that one day we'd return to that same Liberty City and cast of characters.
Gawd that’s be good.
0:07 the way it zooms in on Micha (satan himself) when he says that
I think it's cool to have an actual ex-capo of a real mob to validate everything in a mafia game. It's like sitting in a classroom and a special speaker comes in and you're just locked into his speech. I love the authenticity.
3:10 They were essentially tipped off
They raided a rival gang camp
And found plans to rob a train
And figured if their rivals wanted to rob it there must be something worth it
My man was already making calculations to understand whether he and his people could take the Van Der Linde gang.
Gotta appreciate the way such a mind works.
Wow I remember watching his break down of mafia 2 glad to have him back.
Good job, you remember a 13 day old video!
@@average__height8033 I’m pretty sure he reacted to mafia 2 in a much older video but okay
@@average__height8033 th-cam.com/video/ycFziHLcxdY/w-d-xo.html
@@lukemccartney826 “but okay”
@@average__height8033 yup that’s exactly what I said
Love the way the camera was on Micah when he said "somebody gave you up".
Yeah, what a twist that was too you know - I remember being like NOT MICAH he's such a good guy!
My favorite guy! Feature him more often!
Not sure if you know, but in case you dont, he has his own yt channel. Check it out if you havent.
@@Nrzpokrter I didn't know! Thanks!
@@Nrzpokrter name?
@@grandmasterblueberryice4882 Just his name and surname: youtube.com/@michaelfranzese
No. Let's put him where he belongs, in jail. Let's not give him a job.
I think It would be better if Michael reacted to Mafia 3, GTA 4-5, Sleeping Dogs or the Yakuza games.
Doesn't seem like the wild west is something a mafia boss can relate to as much.
Yeah, and if they wanted him to react to RDR2, it should've focused specifically on Angelo Bronte's part of the game.
@@themadtitan7603 why is your nerd ass on EVERY red dead video I watch? 🤣🤦♂️ not even annoyed I'm just like amazed you have this much free time on your hands lmao
0:15 you go around murdering people, don’t cry when the cops try to gun you down.
The storyline is masterpiece
it actually has some big holes but overall, the way the story is told IS a masterpeice
I disagree. The characters are great, but the storyline basically amounts to: "We need more money Arthur!" "Let's go get some money!" (Something goes wrong) (Big shootout). Rinse and repeat for 50 hours. Also it's silly that they're in constant need of money when the player can be carrying thousands of dollars; which would probably be worth hundreds of thousands these days.
@@inputfunny Still, it's a good history, a little repetive sometimes, but most of the scenes and camera plans are very cool, besides, sometimes what makes a good game isn't the original history line, You could watch for example "Little Nightmares" and "Little Nightmares 2" both of them have kind of the same history "we are in an unknown world and the only thing we can do is survive" now, the cool thing about little nightmares it's how is shown in the story, while you are escaping to survive, lots of things are going on in the background, and if you play both games maybe the first time you won't get it, but after playing it some times you will understand some of the symbolisms and parts of the history of why the world is like this.
@@inputfunny That perfectly describes RDR2's story. It's a masterpiece of a character exploration and writing but as a plot with missions, it's a great but flawed story. Chapters 4 with Bronte is rushed, Guarma is a weird, abrupt detour from the main game and Chapter 6 quickly tries to wrap stories brought up earlier like the Wapiti tribe in the middle of the gang's downfall. Again, it's a good story, but I don't think it'd be as excellent if not the excellent character development and performances.
@@inputfunny many big robberies by them failed ...and players money together is low to start a new life because the money is distributed as a whole..and they re really had money dutch snapped and wanted to create chaos
I would've loved more emphasis on Bronte's crime syndicate in Saint Denis (RDR's New Orleans) and Michael's reaction to it and the idea of the criminals of the old meeting the new, civilized form of organized crime that he brought up. Still, it's always entertaining to hear his insight into crime stories.
Hey bud we see you on every read dead video comment section. Calm down its not that serious getting a reaction 🤣🤦♂️ in am curious how you have this much free time on your hands? Unemployed or just a kid?
@@josiahgonzalez942 lmfao damn
@@josiahgonzalez942 really seems like you're describing yourself here.
"Be loyal to what matters." - Arthur Morgan, 1899
What's next? An actual rat reacts to Micah Bell?
Next:69 reacts to micah
Have him react to Papa Bronte
Always good to see you!
Really enjoyed what he had to say at the end about it's better to be loved than feared. There is definitely a lot of wisdom in that and it's VERY in line with Arthur's whole character arc in the game.
I hope that someone told him that this story takes place in 1899.
Where does Gamology find these people 😭
Holy Michael Franzese, Batman! I watch his videos all the time, and it feels like such a treat to see him on Gamology. We're spoiled.
In the first train robbery it was actually scouted and planned by the rival gang the O'Driscolls. The Van Der Linde gang gets wind of it when they raid an O'Driscoll camp and decided to do the job themselves.
Also I remember a video you made about the Cosa Nostra originating in New Orleans. San Denis is the equivalent of New Orleans in RDR2.
Now this is content!!! Keep up the good work ex Mob Boss!!!
He’s really milking this ex mob guy thing
Mike says it wouldn’t be easy to kidnap a mob boss. It wasn’t they killed like over 2 dozen guards to get to Brontë 😂
I don’t think they showed him that part
There actually were many rules of war in these times. One of the most commonly known was that bayonets cannot be triangle shaped because it made nearly unsalvageable wounds. Reason these laws and practices existed was because many of the lawmakers and politicians of the time partook in the war and saw or even were subjugated to the effects of it so they had first hand experience on "what was just too far".
The triangular bayonets myth is pure cap
That's a myth
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan No shit?
Nope. Triangular bayonets were never banned, didn't cause more grievous wounds, and were actually designed like that to make them more durable. Give a grunt an expensive, fragile peice of kit and he'll show you how to use it to pound a nail in.
I love how he talks about the events happening not as someone who will claim he knows the lifestyle of the wild west but as someone who wonders and thinks about if it was like that and maybe add some of his experience to it. Really fun listening and thinking about it as well. He has a point about security, it isn't like today where there are cameras or other security measures. I do wonder if they had the five families then how would it had been like.
Some things never change.
God-like episode, Red Dead and this guy are a perfect match, we need another video
He mentions Yellowstone, I wonder how much grey area "organized crime" occurs on some of these ranches out West. Grey area in that it's in that weird dubious legal limbo where ranchers are the law unto themselves in certain areas
Michael Franzese should take a look at GTA 3D mob families sequances. From Forelli Sindacos and Leone.
i wonder where the fuck they get the people for these videos from
fr, that guy is an absolute noob. Shoots with a shotgun for long range and can't land shots on enemies 1 meter away from him.
Much love for Michael, love to hear more of Sammy's views about some of the real serious games of the Era now.
This game has something for everyone us western lovers and outlaw gangs. Storywise its also awesome and you really get emotional. Not alot of games make you feel that way :)
FBI watching this, knowing he’s giving little Timmy ideas: “Ok……….get him.”
I would like to see him reacting to Angelo Bronte capture mission it would be nice
Yeah, they skipped over the part where they planned and raided his manor so it seemed like they just suddenly captured him.
I would pay money to see Michael play this game on twitch.
The question is: *Did he have faith in the Plan?*
Love is a far better motivator then fear. I would never betray someone I love out of fear, but I would certainly betray someone I hate out of fear, and since I usually hate the people I fear that would be a problem for the person I fear less.
Very wise words.
"Gotta tell ya, these cowboys had balls". Best line of the video!
I can sit and listen to his stories for hours. He’s such a cool dude
@michaelfranzese 13:48 there was an episode of the show Deadliest Warrior (season 2, episode 3) which pitted the Jesse James Gang versus Al Capone's Chicago Outfit. I think you would enjoy it.
I can confirm through a friend of mine that it is possible to pay your way out of the mob. He got caught up in a gun fight while picking up drugs from the triads. Decided that's not how he wanted to go. Paid 10k to get out quietly. That was nearly a decade ago. No trouble since then.
Triads are different lmao
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Lol they zoom in on Micah as the mob boss says somebody ratted on them. Fun detail
We need more of the old assassins creed games
Oh, to clear some confusion. The game is set in 1899, when outlaw gangs were dying out and the mafia was rising.
That’s how I woulda did it
Now we got to have the ex-mob boss and Chris the Cop react together to a project
1:26 "how well planned was this"
Dutch coming up with a plan a zectosecond after that:
The old lady didn’t live..,she stumbled back into the manor house and burned with it.
This is so random but I love it
I must remind everyone, during the events of RDR2 (Red Dead Redemption 2), the year was set in 1899, while the wild west ended in 1865. During the early 1900, we are beginning to see the construction of cities, federal law, and travel on a national scale. RDR2 represents the end of the gunslingers and outlaws, where the last few criminals and vigilantes are hunted down and either arrested or hung.
1) We know what "RDR2" is. No need to add "Red Dead Redemption 2" in parentheses.
2) You don't need to explain the plot of RDR2. We fucking know. In fact, what you just said is explained with text in the opening of the game.
I wish I can experience RDR2 for the first time again, it's been 2 years... I hope I can quickly forgot everything about it and replay it..
Same
@@themadtitan7603 bro ur really everywhere
Did mafia like bronte really appear early in us 1899? I thought they were born during prohibition day
I like how the mob boss is congratulating rdr for completing jobs
actually, contrary to popular belief shootouts like this didn't happen all that often. tombstone was the most violent city in the wild west and there were only 3 murders a year
Thats what i would've did
Good point about being feared and loved. Arthur and John truly loved Dutch despite his faults and never betrayed him to the law unlike Micah. We can the same with Molly and even Strauss they never said anything
The man who lived being caporegime and reacting to the games is amazing. Mafia definitive edition next please!!!
8:40 i like that Michael likes Hosea's words of wisdom..
BTW, Yellowstone is boyscout level compared to RDR. Visually great, but lame plot-wise and script-wise, no comparison.
Have him react to mafia 1 definitive edition
So weird that they didn't show him the Angelo Bronte parts. What a missed opportunity. I would've like to see his take on an authentic Mobster that came from Italy and how he seen through Dutch. And Bronte was a major factor in chapter 4 so it's really weird they didn't include him. Once again a major missed opportunity
Like Hosea said, “every plan is a good one if executed properly”
Love how he talks about being loved or feared. I agree with him.
So we've got a 50 yr old man reacting to a fictional 1899 and trying desperately hard to relate it to his real life/past experiences? I mean this guy says "back in the day" and he's referring to 100 yrs after this narrative. Isn't the name Anything4Views already taken?
I don't care how many people he flipped on, this guy should be doing this reaction from prison.
He DID go to prison. He carried out his sentence and is now free. Despite being in the mob, he was never personally linked to any murders or serious violent crimes, so he didn't get life in prison.
He served his sentence and is now free
For the train robbery, they knew who the train belonged to and that it was likely worth robbing because they stole plans from a rival gang that was planning the robbery for months.
I really enjoyed this video thanks!
those cowboys are bold is the best description of the original van der linde gang.Even bill who gets a lot of shit for being an idiot is as brave as it gets,especially in the swap gunfight
Are Ex Mob bosses just like Ex CIA Agents? You know, totally legit and honest about being retired?
Why won't you just research his past himself? Or you've been blocked by Google? 🤔
This guys sounds like Rains Fall!
My brother is watching Yellowstone and yeah it's wild also this game is one of my favorite games
"When you choose love over fear, and people no longer love you, then you will be forgotten while fading into irrelevance. When you choose fear over love, and people no longer fear you, then you will not be forgotten. People will come looking for you."
-Me
Do a serial killer reacts to horror movies
*Clint Eastwood*
*FUCKING. HELL. YEAH.*
So glad he’s reacting to this game!
why would a mobster from the 70s and 80s review a game set in 1899 that has a nothing to do with the mafia but has a small segment about an italian crime boss?
7:48 I thought the same thing when I got to this scene. I mean we knew it wasn't going to ever happen at this point, but had we been in his position I think most of us wouldn't have tried that angle. Maybe if Dutch WASN'T there it might've seemed like a play, but you don't really want to try that when the boss is right in front of them.
when i got to when he said that, i was dying from second hand embarrassment. he really tried it
He's right about the guns. Which is exactly why more laws to infringe our rights won't do any good at all. It will only allow those who get guns illegally to have guns.
I don’t think an Italian mob boss is a good fit for outlaw cowboys in the wild west😂
That’s what I was saying I’m like why the hell is he reacting to this?!?😂
Because it has a large part of the story where the gang is at odds with the Italian mafia... Did you not play the game?
@@jacobsampsonis7782 not all the way, but why red dead redemption 2 not GTA 4 or something? What I’m trying to say he doesn’t really fit into this because he’s not a cowboy he didn’t grow up in the 1800s obviously and most of us are watching these reaction videos to see if it’s realistic these games if that would actually happen or not and since he’s not a cowboy he’s saying, “I don’t know if that might happen that might’ve happened” a lot it would’ve been better if they got a historian, cowboy or a rancher or a Wild West reenactor historian to watch these
@@jacobsampsonis7782 Eh, but it's only part when it would've made more sense to be the entire focus of the video. All of Angelo Bronte's cutscenes and missions, maybe only show the end *"Blood Feuds, Ancient and Modern"* to explain why they go to Bronte but again, the video should've only been about him.
@@BayAreaMike99 Agreed and besides the actual mafia part of the game is just one aspect of the video when it should've been the entire focus imo. Also a historian or reenactor historian would've fit best because a modern day rancher or cowboy wouldn't know much about 1800s outlaws which is a different thing than being a cowboy.
Great now I can learn crime from him 🎉🎉