Almost all of Rich’s PUBG criticisms apply equally to Fortnite, warzone, et al. I’m gonna say he was unbelievably wrong; the data doesn’t lie. Frankly, he needed to gut gud at solo play, but he didn’t make any effort. Making this entire critique a waste of everyone’s time. A rare mis step for the great rich evans
Thanks for the timestamp, never seen this 😂 Jack says "got one. He has a teammate nearby" not realizing hes inadvertently referring to himself. That clip fkin killed me
I see so many comments that say they shouldn't be even reviewing this game at all because they are bad at it, or that they don't typically play this type of game. I don't really think that's fair. The point of their reviews, whether rlm is looking at films or games, is to tell you their opinions and their point of view concerning whatever they happen to be reviewing. They deeply explain why they feel certain ways about games and what makes them good or bad to them. For the same reason people watch shows like The Completionist, Moist Meter, Balrog Game Room reviews, or go to sites like IGN or GameSpot, these videos exist. People are just giving their opinions, sometimes a rating based on some criteria they have predetermined. Even if you disagree with the things they say that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to say them.
Its because this game started out as a mod for another game called "arma" for pc. The game mode became so popular because of the mod, people who have been there from the start, protect its legacy to their own detriment.
The fake behind the scenes interviews were the best thing about the show. The rest, and especially the scenes from the show within the show, was too “intentionally bad” to be funny
Everyone keeps calling it a survival game. It's a battle royale. No forging for food, dying from the cold or getting sick because you drank the wrong water.
“You drop in, you forage, you die.” “It’s a lot of nothing happening, for long stretches of time, and then it’s over in 2 seconds of time.” “A lot of the times, yes.” Real life sim 😂😂
I've played about 50 hours with my friends. Their complaints aren't unfounded, and I can't blame them for not liking the game. But personally, I think that the suspense in waiting for that 5 second shootout that can perma-kill you at any time makes this game addictive. Its been a while since I've played a game that makes me so tense. And I think that the long intervals of quiet preparation and planning for short fights leaves me MORE satisfied when I kill someone. I encourage people to give this game a try, and play it with a friend or two. Having a buddy to talk to keeps things from getting TOO quiet.
Completely in agreement with you. It’s one of the most immersive game I have ever played because of the tension and the freedom it gives you (within certain parameters) to reach your objective
All I hear about the white circle is that it's placement is totally random. From my time playing the game, the white circle always tends to center on the most populated areas. So if you drop far away from everyone else, you're going to spend most of the game chasing the circle. Anyone else notice this?
amnryou eh, there are populated areas spread around so odds are it will shrink around or near one of them. That being said, if you happen to be far away from the white circle you should just go looking for a vehicle. For whatever reason Jack and Rich don't understand this and never go for one. And then they complain that if you happen to be really far away at the start of the game you're screwed. You're not, I've gone from the very top of the map all the way to the very bottom in a boat to get in the circle once. It's completely do able with a vehicle, and a little clock awareness.
Its just that the mist popular areas are generally in the middle of the map, and being in the centre increases the chance of being in to or even just near the circle
For people coming to complain about the way Jack and Rich review games: these two are not your average gamers....They're not reviewing the game for people who already know they want to play a AAA game based off of Steam Reviews....
I can't deny any of what they are saying. But when you have a squad for 4 and you're all good. It can be a fantastically addictive game. The squad tactics can be just fantastic. In squad you actually get into firefights and coordinate flanking manoeuvres. There are no battles in solo. No big firefights. But in squad there are. But like Rich said, he isn't a social gamer. You really have to be a social gamer to enjoy PUBG.
Idk I've gotten into some pretty awesome firefights in solo. I'm sure they're more common in squad or duo, but they are definitely possible too in solo.
Their main complaint is "I don't know what killed me or why" then they cut to footage of them trying start fist fights with random people on school while being shot at. Don't do that, don't just mindlessly attack everything you see. This clip is also perfect 16:06 you could have won that fight, you can hear him run in long before he starts shooting and despite him sneaking up on you you both start shooting at roughly the same time. He is only using a ump that could have been a close fight but you panicked and shot him one time in the chest after spazing out all over the place and jumping.
PreRec: "Getting kills doesn't feel great because you just shot a guy in the back" Cue to a video where player on the second floor of a building clearly hears a guy enter the house, walks around alarming the person that someone's there and keeps his back to the guy so that he's not ready for the immediate gun fight. If I got a kill on a guy that's turtled up in a house I'm feeling great even if they're making mistakes left and right. Rando there took a risk and got the kill for it.
Isn't your reply the same thing, but with RLM in place of video game fans? Rich and Jack should be besmirched, they have leached onto Mike and Jay's more successful gimmick.
The game demands a lot of situational awareness. The clip at the end is a perfect example of being unforgivably sloppy. At the beginning of a match, its a no-brainer to be aware of if other chutes are coming down near you. If you were looking, you would have seen where that person landed and what house they went into, so you can run into the *other* house, buying you precious seconds to maybe grab your own gun unmolested - maybe they didn't see you come down because they ran inside too fast, so you can now get the drop on them. Maybe they'll freeze up, letting you get into a good position. If you just mindlessly run after someone who has a head start on you, and take your fists to a gunfight, of course you'll get shot in the face. Luck plays a factor, but much less of one than Rich and Jack make it seem.
this entire video just displays why i never will play a Battle Royale game again. it makes FPS's look boring, luck-based and more toxic than it really is.
So Rich and Jack's opinions aren't wrong here, but they come from a place of just scratching the surface of the game. 1: I often play chasing the blue line. Once you learn how the blue line scales damage, you can actually play a decent amount of the game behind the blue line if you focus your searching on medical supplies (Sodas, pills, bandages, etc...). This actually gives you some breathing room because most action will focus within the white line. 2: You get surprised less often once you learn the power of ALT looking. Until they force perspective into first person mode, you need to learn to use ALT look to keep a better overall track of your surroundings. 3: They're not wrong about a kill camera. That'd be really helpful and would be a great feature to be added. 4: They're blatantly ignoring the luck factor in Friday the 13th. Luck in placement of needed items. Luck in the draw of who your teammates are and what their proficiency is. Luck of which player becomes Jason and which Jason you're up against which can drastically change the game. There's a lot of luck involved in that game too. 5: In regards to the luck factor of PUBG, you can drastically improve your odds by understanding the map and determining good drop choices. If you drop in hot spots (School, Military Base, apartments) then yes, your chances for dying drastically increase. But if you learn how to increase your drop distance from the flight path and learn what smaller areas of the map still have decent resources, you can fly very far from the flight path and load up easily. 6: Keep your audio up. Many times during this video I see either Jack or Rich getting into an engagement in a house or apartment where they should have heard the person stomping around. In fact during the 16:10 mark I heard the door to the house open up and I was expecting whoever was playing to be watching the stairs rather than the window at that point. Again, I respect Jack and Rich and I'm not saying their opinions are wrong. I'm just saying the game does take some skill and practice to play at a different level.
So you respect people who are paid to review games, yet take no effort to do any research, do not even learn the key commands for the game, shows no consistency between reviews, do not learn the game, make no attempt at strategy and will insult and misrepresent a game just because they show no skill in playing it and are frustrated by dying?
1: They're not really "Paid" to review games. They make some money off of Twitch and TH-cam views, but not nearly as much as they make off the RedLetterMedia stuff. This is more of a passion project for Rich and Jack. 2: Most of their review came down to it just not being their cup of tea. Rich admitted he didn't really like multiplayer games that much to begin with, which is the crux of this experience to begin with. He did admit that it was better than his experience with games like COD or Battlefront, and that means something if you're familiar with Rich's past gaming experience. 3: My only real beef with the review was their insistence with how much they claim Luck plays in the game, and to be honest their not entirely wrong. I just don't think luck plays AS MUCH of a role as they think it does, but it's still a factor in the game. Finally you obviously take issue with their review style, so how much time do you feel is appropriate in playing the game before giving a review of the game? It's an opinion piece and this isn't really their full time job.
Agree to disagree with being paid reviewers. Rich loves to say he hates certain genres and games, but look at the games he plays and enjoys and this is simply not true. He loves multiplayer games that are not heavily skill based so that make him feel like a good gamer. He has no problem bashing newbs in F13, but then learning curve is a problem in other games, there is no consistency. It is not about how much time they play, but they could at least learn the controls. When told how to loot Rich states that he prefers his way, totally arrogant because he has never played before. When told that they have to calibrate the scope when sniping they just ignore it and continue to aim shots that could not possibly hit. When told to find vehicles, they complain that they have to always run to the next circle. When told sound is important, they ignore it. When enemies are clearly seen, they complain that death is instant and luck based. When they are told that it is important to remain unseen, they run around in wide open spaces with zero cover and then bitch that they get shot at. When they are informed of proper tactics, they go hide in a bush and pretend that a strategy that does not improve their chances of winning is somehow good and indicative of a bad game because they chose to be boring. How about take a couple of minutes to familiarise yourself with the controls and follow the basic strategy that they were aware of and chose to ignore at every opportunity, learn from your mistakes and stop being totally disingenuous by hiding in bushes.
At 19:14 what is Jack using in his left hand as a controller? I love using mouse but have been looking for something other than a keyboard to use while playing pc and that looks like it has a joystick and buttons on it.
OMFG guys. these deaths HURT. its like oh heres someone coming into the house downstairs, theyre coming up the stairs, ok why are you walking away from the stairs, oh shot in the back...painful. huge fan but holy CRAP that person needs to be wearing headphones while playing
Shooters are fast and competitive and require quick thinking and quick action. They're probably the closest thing to real-life sports that you can get in video games. I don't think Rich or Jack ever really developed the taste or skill for those kinds of games. I used to play the shit out of the old COD games, had a lot of fun. Now that I'm older, I don't do as well because I don't have the time and I'm not as fast/autistic as I used to be. Still fun though.
Fuckin hell that friendly fire clip was priceless. I never laughed so hard in my life. "He has a partner around here somewhere..." Yeah that you! Rich's reaction was fucking gold.
PuBG in general is something completely different from what I think both Jack and Rich have ever played before, Dayz and all of it's spinoffs require you to listen very carefully and minimize the sound you generate, otherwise someone will sneak up on you. Exploiting the third person camera to it's fullest and a good awareness of your surroundings are also crucial. But I agree that the game is at its most fun when played duo or squad.
I think, for me, the game is just having fun. You can do random shit like drive at people spouting Mad Max Fury Road lines or whacking someone with a frying pan. I also believe the greatest part is that, as soon as you die, you can just join another match immediately. I'll admit, it has problems. It definitely needs a kill cam, most definitely. The map could be a little less dead. And I believe a 50 on 50 match would be awesome. It's still in early release, and I am hoping for more, but I totally understand the video's points.
A quick Google and apperently PUBG does have a backstory: "The main island for BATTLEGROUNDS is called Erangel. An abandoned Russian island where a military occupation was controlling the island. The military occupation tested chemical/biological experiments on the islands population, after a resistant attack on a biological facility, the island had to be abandoned."
When I saw the clip of Rich and Jack playing PUBG (literally in armchairs) I was thinking it was the wrong game for them in every aspect. I was kind of shocked they were trying it. It's multiplayer, it's harsh on people who aren't fairly good at FPS, it requires a large amount of awareness and focus to survive. I'm not at all surprised by their impression of the game.
Watching someone good stream this game helps tremendously. It has the death cam info you're looking for. And understanding where people are looting and where they'll go next when the map shrinks is key.
Uh, okay...wow...I don't even know what to even begin commenting on... "Why do people play shooters?" "This game is too boring [...] My best match is when I saw literately nobody for the entire game [...] I sat inside a build for the whole game because I don't really know what to do because I know running around is stupid because your just gonna to get shot [...]" [RUNS OUT INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN OPEN FIELD AND GETS SHOT] "How did I die?! I don't know!" "100 to 1 odds! [...] You're never going to win the stupid game!" "We were breaching with tactics!" [KILLS TEAMMATE] "If someone gets behind you and shoots you it's all luck!" I mean, none of this is for real, right? Like, Rich & Jack are just taking the piss outta PUBG? Because otherwise this is just fuckin' too depressing for me to even get mad at.
I am not going to say you are playing it wrong but I will say I started having more fun when I stopped playing to win and started playing for fun. Yes it is way safer and a smarter strat to drop in away from people and hide and run for 20 min. but then you get a ton of those sniped deaths. If you just bomb out near the start of the drop time you get in quick, fun firefights either win (heal up and run) or you die and just jump in again with like 3 minutes invested in that game. From there go looking for trouble not hiding. You will get more experence playing and then when you do want to go for a win do your version of the hiding thing but when its time to smash everyone together you will have the skill to come out on top. TLDR: Don't hide, fight as much as you can. You may lose more but who cares it's way more fun!
The game creates some moments of hilarity, tension, anger and accomplishment. That's the allure of PUBG to the player. Each drop is different, and there is always a chance you will be the last one, among 100 people, left standing. That's the appeal, and it is quite a unique and addicting appeal. Is it the most fair or balanced game so that everyone can have the same enjoyable experience where they left feeling like they accomplished something? No. But that's the whole point. It is damn hard winning a game, and when you do, it is a wonderful feeling. The gunplay is extremely satisfying, from the good sound audio to the recoil and ragdoll physics. The optimization of the game is the only glaring negative i can think of right now. As you need a pretty beefy system to even get a consistent 100+fps. Also, you dictate your own experience. If you feel the need to camp in a bush for 30 minutes cause you are not confident in your twitch reflexes, then you will have a pretty boring and drab experience. You can play aggressive and almost always find people to shoot at if you know where to go. I'm only 9 mins through this review and decided to stop to write a better one about this intriguing and original game.
There was this game called The Culling which was a smaller scale version of the Battle Royale idea. It had a smaller map with 20 people and more emphasis on survival mechanics and melee. It was pretty fun and it was easy to win if you got good at it, but it was killed by the devs with bad updates.
It's amusing reading through all the triggered fanboys' rage-fueled comments. They're probably the people who started playing this genre back with it's inception in DayZ, and have just jumped onto each new slightly different bandwagon. Each game has just copied the formula and changed small things, adding/removing survival elements, NPC threats (zombies), and ripping the Hunger Games / Battle Royale elements into their shitty buggy clones. The reality is that all of these games have two types of players. The ones trying it out for fun or dragged into it by friends, who get tired of it after a while and move on. Then there's the guys who play NOTHING other than the Battle Royale flavor of the week and get mad whenever their game is criticized.
" I genuinely think people who play this game and games like it so religiously are afflicted with the same type of juvenile sadism as children who stomp on ants for fun." IN SOVIET RUSSIA; ANT STOMP ON *YOU*
I hate games that deal you a losing hand, then punish you for not having a straight (also see FTL, Slay The Spire). When I was young, and actually enjoyed shooters, everybody started out equal, and camping was considered a tactic for unskilled cowards. PUBG is a die roll to not get screwed by bad position, another die roll to not get screwed on gear, then whoever got the best roll and/or camps the best spot generally wins. Of course skill is a factor, but I didn't come here to shoot craps. "You're just gonna die. You're just gonna die. It's gonna be really quick. It's not going to be a battle. It's gonna feel like bullshit. And you're not gonna be happy about it. It's just gonna happen." -Rich Evans 2017
This game seems miserable to solo, but incredible to team battle in. The addition of squad tactics and team speak helps to reduce the bad luck variance.
Now they have death cam. So one argument down. And if you sit in a bush all the time, fine, its up to you to choose if you are going to go crazy and shoot, camp, drive etc. The new map is also way smaller and more action. So it seems the game had fixed what Rich and Jack complained about. The end is Jack failing to be faster with his parachute, he jumps nearby another instead of going to another place, he runs into the same building... "BAD GAME CANT RECOMMEND"
Play it with headphones on. I used to get wrecked over and over until another player told me to play with stereo or 'surround sound' gaming headphones. Since then i can tell instantly the approximate direction and with practice the distance of incoming fire. The difference is immediately noticable and i regularly get in the top five solo and i've had many squad filling chicken dinners! It's a good game, it's just not exactly casual. th-cam.com/video/Nr9_GWZbJ7U/w-d-xo.html
Christian Selby Its less serious than PUBG which a Battle Royale game should be. The map is smaller. Also, the building mechanics leave so very interesting combat.
"Because youve snuck up on someone and shot them in the back" You can literally hear the guy walking up the stairs and up behind him and then he just sprays and prays haha
They're both just really bad at the game. They are very unaware of their surroundings and then blame the game despite the game providing adequate visual and audio cues that they simply do not process.
@@cmdrfunk it's partly their fault. But PUBG is also the worst BR game. It's boring, bland presentation puts you to sleep while the best tactic is to... Camp. And since it's nearly always a 1 hit kill for "realism" camping is even more important. It just isn't a good game.
I don't care how much Rich thinks it's not a survival game, it is. Your goal is to survive. Whether that's through killing, hiding, mobility, or any combination of elements. Your only goal it to survive.
There are tons of lessons to be learned from dying. Open a door and somebody is pointing a gun at you and kills you? Next time open the door and peek. Running across open fields gets you sniped at? Maybe take the extra time to move through the trees, or hell even grab a vehicle. Sitting next to an open window and somebody shoots you? Next time maybe avoid making yourself a target through a giant opening in the wall The game isn't for everybody, and thats fine, but don't blame the game because you're not actively taking lessons from your mistakes.
The footage you used in 16:03 doesn't really support your conclusion you drew seconds before. When the guy snuck up behind, I could hear him coming and when he started shooting, you had plenty of time to fire back but you panicked and missed almost all of your shots. But I think I have to include this in here, I have never played the game. These are just my opinions.
I think one aspect that could fix the instant, unknown quick sudden deaths is to crank up the bullet sponging of the players. Make it fairly difficult to aim a sniper rifle by adding bullet drop and wind resistance to give a sense of skill in game. Depending on the type of gun, they can do different points of damage. A type of armor can give you different points of armor that slightly reduce the damage of bullets, though it will not protect against melee attacks (if any exists). When low on health, your health regenerates up to 25% of the maximum health bar. Food is scarce and will only slowly and slightly restore your health per health item. Med kits will heal more and faster, but you need to crouch down to use it and you need to equip it to use it. It'll take about 3-5 accurate bullets to the head to kill anyone (will vary between pistol, smg, semi-auto rifle and fully automatic rifle). One shot from an accurate sniper shot. And two close range shotgun shell blasts to the torso (Shotgun fire rate is piss slow). Instead of a sudden shrinkage of the circle on the map, the circle will, instead, gradually grow small. The circle will shrink faster, depending on how long the game has gone on or how long the game has gone without a player death. If any of these mechanics or stats are in the game, or have been implemented, then comment below. I am just going from this video, I have not played the game, myself as of yet.
Nah, it takes the best aspects of DayZ and Breaking Point ARMA mods and condenses them down to a 20-40min match instead of running around and scavenging for 5 hours then getting sniped from across the map.
@@ErichGeiger I mean, that still happens, the round is just shorter and the map is smaller. Arma is supposed to be a military simulator, you don't see the enemy often and just end up providing suppressing fire for your team. It wasn't originally built to be the funner experience the heavily modded game is today. Arma wasn't designed to be satisfying to kill enemies. PUBG took those same qualities, repackaged it into its own separate game, and didn't quite understand that they were marketing an almost identical experience to the Arma version. I don't know if they actually realized the implications of replicating their roots as much as they did when they made PUBG.
How to fix this: Less bullets. By having fewer bullets you force players to move more as they will need to find resources, which devs could add, as food and water, forcing players to not only move but also to take risks. Basically, make camping less useful.
I certainly felt a lot their complaints when I first started playing. I also found the team play to be way more satisfying and tactical than solo, but that kind of goes without saying. I love this game, but to be honest I'm spoiled, because I'm always doing team play and hilarious things sometimes don't stop happening.
I used to play a lot of Battlefield, probably not gonna get this game because of their loot-crate announcement. But can identify multiple mistakes Rich and Jack made while playing. Things like running straight lines over hills, not going from cover to cover, not pausing to look and listen, attacking as soon as they can instead of waiting for the optimal time etc etc. The easiest way explain it to someone unfamiliar to it is to compare it to something like Mario Kart or Poker. For some it seems like a 100% luck, yet you'll always see the same people in the top 10. Then when you watch a video or stream of these players playing you'll realize that their not playing an action game. It's almost entirely a strategy game to them, juggling dozens of variables and concentrating more than most people do at an exam. Just my 2 cents. I however moved on to more narrative based games rather than the OCD types.
The thing with PUBG that i noticed, i have not played it btw. Jack and Rich are complaining about what AVERAGE player (and your average is always a solo noob) feels when playing the game. But what happens when average player dies in PUBG? He learns something (even when he thinks he didn't) and then he FINDS ANOTHER MATCH. What happens when the same player dies in Friday the 13th? He has to wait UNTIL THE END OF THE GAME. So from the design point of view PUBG is probably better. Simply because there is less wasted play time, and it translates to less chance for player to get bored. Frustration will always be a HUGE part of any difficult game for some people, and player versus player MP games are extremely difficult because of the constant competition. But your frustration does not make the game bad, you may hate the game so much when you died "unfairly", but you were in fact ENGAGED that means the game is not bad. After all the frustration and anger are a heavy emotions that simply cannot happen if the player is not engaged. And if H1Z1 and PUBG designs actually manage to keep the players engagement levels high while the players do nothing but stand or lie still for 10 to 5 minutes, then the design is probably not bad, pretty good even. The only problem i see is that the peak of popularity (and the PR campaign) for these games have happened when they were in an unfinished state - this is a really bad trend, even worse is the fact that people don't seem to notice that and do not complain. Everyone would have benefitted if PUBG was completed before it's release and marketing campaign, massive user testing could have been done vie timed betas instead of early access release.
The PC one has 3 maps and a killcam but the lag and gunplay is horrendous, sometimes you fire once and they just drop dead other times you will spray at point blank and hit them 0 times.
Jack: If "in a perfect world you would win 1 in 100 times" then you are saying you want the game to be truly 100% luck/random, like spinning a wheel - but you said this after complaining there was too much luck. (I've never played this game and have no personal investment, it was just a weird thing to say)
if you watch most streamers they avoid camping and sitting on buildings. They go sweaty and go on the attack most of the time, the white circle placement is pure luck of the draw, but most gunfights you can usually understand what why you died. How you exposed your self by accident Etc.
There are crap games that lean on this idea that they're "fun with friends" because everything is, yes. Your universal argument doesn't make sense, however. It completely ignores all genres where teamwork is part of the fun. There is a fundamental difference between solo and group matches of PUBG, where constant communication and teamwork is the entire point. This is where it differs from all of those soft-RPG loot grinders (Borderlands, Warframe, etc.) where you can play a mediocre experience alone or a nearly identical experience with three friends. Playing PUBG with a group doesn't distract you from a bad game, it becomes a different game, much like the difference between 1v1 and group matches in For Honor.
Rich, while a bit biased because he doesnt like the game, fair enough, has raised some good points. - this is not a survival game. it's BR, no survival elements, no crafting, food etc - this game does have a problem in the fact that it encourages a more passive approach. Mind you that this goes down as you go up in skill (as you start you're queue with noobs, there is a sort of a ranking), but it's still a thing. Not much that can be done, afterall a BR is not an FPS where you run around, and First Person Mode has pretty much nullified camping's advantage. It's pretty fun. - there is a luck aspect, loot, circle posish, positioning. but you gotta keep in mind that you may find yourself in the circle from the start, that doesnt necessarily mean that you are in a high loot zone, and if you just stand around in the middle you ARE gonna get pinched from all sides. As soon as you get down your first priority should not be to get to the nearest house, but to find a vehicle and get to a high loot zone asap. Some correction I had to make to things you said, which are mostly due to you not having had enough time with the actual game, no fault on your side: - "you don't know the best places to drop off": loot is not completely randomized: there are high and low loot areas, for example go to the Military Base, Georgopol or most of the cities you're more likely to get good loot than in some house in the middle of nowhere. there is random variation among those. -the circle being a flaw: I dont think it's a game design flaw when you get the circle on the opposite side of the island. IF you decide to have a game with a restricting randomized circle, it's gonna appear somewhere, and some people are gonna draw the short end of the RNG stick. Tip: there are plenty of vehicles around roads, so you dont really have to run all the time. Having said that, there's still some work that could be done on the circle's positioning and mechanics. - an issue with the "pointlessness" of it all and the fact that you dont realize how you died and you're just gonna get sniped randomly etc: well, rich doesnt like shooters, that's settled, so point taken there. I do believe that the appeal of this, and other shooting games, is the competitiveness and excitement aspect: exactly BECAUSE you can die any second in one second, you're gonna be on edge and super careful, making your eventual victory feel much better, much more earned than in other cases. secondly, you should be able to realize where you got killed from, and if it's a super far sniper then that's your answer, doesnt really matter if you see a kill cam or not, you're gonna learn from your mistakes just by observing your actions. It's really easy to die in this game due to poor positioning: this game more than others, really requires tactical knowledge of movement, knowledge of timing, geography of the map, how to use defilades and natural barriers, all stuff that you're gonna learn gradually. It's really much about tactics and reflexes: most deaths can be avoided. "If someone happens to be behind you" you should have spotted them when you ALT-look around like you should do basically continuosly, just looking forward is setting you up for getting shot in the bum. You actually can't "get very far with the luck aspect and almost no skill", I mean you can in low ranks and when you're just getting started, but with good players you're gonna get destroyed. I think Jack should give it some more time, he seems to have some promise to really enjoy it once he understands how it works overrall, since it does have pretty steep learning curve. Most of his grievances are the same I had when I started out, and most of them have been resolved, by learning, skill (some of those clips where rough, lol) or updates. I gotta highlight, this game is really an outlier in the dev team's commitment to updates, I shit on this game a lot online but they keep fixing a lot of shit. Jack, this helped me and countless people get "better" and learn not to just be super passive: drop in populated areas, that'll teach you to fuck shit up under pressure. Rich...he's probably not gonna like it anyway, I dont like RTS's, he doesnt like shooters, to each their own. I gotta say, the "it's just bullshit, you're gonna die anyway" somewhat remains, but as you get better and learn to do less stupid shit, and boy did I do a lot of it without realizing in the start, that goes away quite a bit. And yes, play duos or squads, 1000 times more fun, even though I do like me some lone wolf action.
leo sky completely agree man, good breakdown. Unfortunately a lot of the game stuff you mentioned, like the importance of getting a vehicle and there being high and low loot areas, has been pointed out to them many times. They just blatantly ignored all that because they "want to learn the game on their own" and that's what makes this review frustrating.
This review is very "unsatisfying". As with any game, you must practice and figure things out. You can start out on any part of the map and basically always have a vehicle within the first circle to get from A to B. Also, landing near the circle is not always the best place to be initially. Smart players will purposely spend 2 or 3 circles looting and take boosts to survive with enough room to make the circle. If you are sick of being camped and people having the drop on you, play FPP. I understand that by the time of the review there probably wasn't FPP like it is now. Long stretches of nothing, if you don't choose to land in a popular zone, or near one. The game is not for everyone, but there is a reason it is being played by so many people.
You know the biggest trick of PUBG is? That it takes you more than 2 hours to really understand whats going on and when you do, cannot get a steam refund....
I'm surprised you didn't mention it's early access - kill cams on solo are coming, and first person servers just came out - changing the game (especially when it comes to "cheap" deaths). A lot of the deaths can feel "cheap" if you're new to the game and don't understand what you did wrong. Running out in the open, dropping without a plan, dropping in a heavily populated area, not getting a vehicle - these are all big mistakes that new players make but aren't obvious. The most important thing in the game is positioning, and after that then guns make a huge difference - determining if you can/can't make a kill against another player. I like the game because I can choose how my early game will go - if I just want to run and gun deathmatch I'll drop in the first city or school or something. If I want to scavenge and snipe I'll drive to a remote town. Entering a town with open doors or hearing footsteps/shots nearby when you're looting is some of the most tense gaming experiences I've had, and coming close to winning is always exhilarating. I got my first chicken dinner pretty early on but it still felt amazing. Saying all that I wouldn't recommend it to everyone - it's not a typical shooter and I can see a lot of people being bored with it. I'd recommend it more to the type of player who likes STALKER. The slow and tense buildups make the kills all the more earned.
"If you are fortunate enough to be born within the *white circle* you can kinda take your time, find all the good equipment, and find a nice snipe zone."
"Being social for me is actually work."
- Rich Evans, national treasure
*fixed Rich Evans, lump.
I find this so relatable
Almost all of Rich’s PUBG criticisms apply equally to Fortnite, warzone, et al. I’m gonna say he was unbelievably wrong; the data doesn’t lie. Frankly, he needed to gut gud at solo play, but he didn’t make any effort. Making this entire critique a waste of everyone’s time. A rare mis step for the great rich evans
I was going to say - Big same.
It's like Exploding Varmints, but _you're_ the varmint.
I miss Previously Recorded. I would appreciate new episodes :(
🎉
19:15 Jack shooting Rich and watching Rich's reaction keeps bringing me back to this video.
It Jack not Jay but yeah that is hilarious. Even the way Jack is talking all serious like he knew what he was doing.
Thanks for the timestamp, never seen this 😂
Jack says "got one. He has a teammate nearby" not realizing hes inadvertently referring to himself. That clip fkin killed me
I see so many comments that say they shouldn't be even reviewing this game at all because they are bad at it, or that they don't typically play this type of game. I don't really think that's fair. The point of their reviews, whether rlm is looking at films or games, is to tell you their opinions and their point of view concerning whatever they happen to be reviewing. They deeply explain why they feel certain ways about games and what makes them good or bad to them.
For the same reason people watch shows like The Completionist, Moist Meter, Balrog Game Room reviews, or go to sites like IGN or GameSpot, these videos exist. People are just giving their opinions, sometimes a rating based on some criteria they have predetermined.
Even if you disagree with the things they say that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to say them.
Its because this game started out as a mod for another game called "arma" for pc. The game mode became so popular because of the mod, people who have been there from the start, protect its legacy to their own detriment.
This is the first time I notice the Garth Marenghi's Darkplace DVD behind Jack.
We need a Re:View for that masterpiece.
You and he were buddies… weren’t you???
The fake behind the scenes interviews were the best thing about the show. The rest, and especially the scenes from the show within the show, was too “intentionally bad” to be funny
"Why do people play shooters?!" To this day, I've still got literally no idea Rich.
"being social is work." i feel ya rich, i prefer playing games solo as well.
I see a lot of people down voting these guys for a some time, you gotta appreciate their perspective of video games from a different angle.
When Rich said “You’re my friend” I had a little awwww moment to myself.
"Jack..."
"Yeah?"
"Check your screen."
"..."
".........."
I died. XDD
That description of factory chickens is why I stopped fucking with online shooters many years ago. Well played Rich
"Being social is work"
God damn do I know that feel.
Everyone keeps calling it a survival game. It's a battle royale. No forging for food, dying from the cold or getting sick because you drank the wrong water.
It's also literally the movie Battle Royale.
This is a game I like to hear about but don't want to play.
Nearly all of Rich's complaints about the game would be cleared up by spending 30 minutes reading a "new players" guide to PUBG.
Jack shooting Rich Evans was just priceless.
Jace Wallace I don't know. 😹 Maybe it is for real.
“You drop in, you forage, you die.”
“It’s a lot of nothing happening, for long stretches of time, and then it’s over in 2 seconds of time.”
“A lot of the times, yes.”
Real life sim 😂😂
It's really funny going back to this now and hearing them explain the rules of a battle royale
Loved this series. Rich is the man. We love you Rich✊🏻
I've played about 50 hours with my friends. Their complaints aren't unfounded, and I can't blame them for not liking the game. But personally, I think that the suspense in waiting for that 5 second shootout that can perma-kill you at any time makes this game addictive. Its been a while since I've played a game that makes me so tense. And I think that the long intervals of quiet preparation and planning for short fights leaves me MORE satisfied when I kill someone. I encourage people to give this game a try, and play it with a friend or two. Having a buddy to talk to keeps things from getting TOO quiet.
Completely in agreement with you. It’s one of the most immersive game I have ever played because of the tension and the freedom it gives you (within certain parameters) to reach your objective
All I hear about the white circle is that it's placement is totally random. From my time playing the game, the white circle always tends to center on the most populated areas. So if you drop far away from everyone else, you're going to spend most of the game chasing the circle. Anyone else notice this?
amnryou eh, there are populated areas spread around so odds are it will shrink around or near one of them. That being said, if you happen to be far away from the white circle you should just go looking for a vehicle. For whatever reason Jack and Rich don't understand this and never go for one. And then they complain that if you happen to be really far away at the start of the game you're screwed. You're not, I've gone from the very top of the map all the way to the very bottom in a boat to get in the circle once. It's completely do able with a vehicle, and a little clock awareness.
Its just that the mist popular areas are generally in the middle of the map, and being in the centre increases the chance of being in to or even just near the circle
For people coming to complain about the way Jack and Rich review games: these two are not your average gamers....They're not reviewing the game for people who already know they want to play a AAA game based off of Steam Reviews....
when that guy sneaks up behind jack in the attic of that building...that reaction aim LOL
White Circle Privilege. It's definitely a real thing.
In the US yes
🧩 here you dropped this
🖍️ hold on you also dropped your lunch
I can't deny any of what they are saying. But when you have a squad for 4 and you're all good. It can be a fantastically addictive game. The squad tactics can be just fantastic. In squad you actually get into firefights and coordinate flanking manoeuvres. There are no battles in solo. No big firefights. But in squad there are. But like Rich said, he isn't a social gamer. You really have to be a social gamer to enjoy PUBG.
Idk I've gotten into some pretty awesome firefights in solo. I'm sure they're more common in squad or duo, but they are definitely possible too in solo.
waiting with a shotgun until someone shows up. welcome to my life.
Their main complaint is "I don't know what killed me or why" then they cut to footage of them trying start fist fights with random people on school while being shot at. Don't do that, don't just mindlessly attack everything you see.
This clip is also perfect 16:06 you could have won that fight, you can hear him run in long before he starts shooting and despite him sneaking up on you you both start shooting at roughly the same time. He is only using a ump that could have been a close fight but you panicked and shot him one time in the chest after spazing out all over the place and jumping.
People like Rich are why I've already won multiple times in my first 20 games.
PreRec: "Getting kills doesn't feel great because you just shot a guy in the back"
Cue to a video where player on the second floor of a building clearly hears a guy enter the house, walks around alarming the person that someone's there and keeps his back to the guy so that he's not ready for the immediate gun fight.
If I got a kill on a guy that's turtled up in a house I'm feeling great even if they're making mistakes left and right. Rando there took a risk and got the kill for it.
It's always funny when fans of ~video game~ get upset because the e-honor of their patron saint is besmirched.
Isn't your reply the same thing, but with RLM in place of video game fans? Rich and Jack should be besmirched, they have leached onto Mike and Jay's more successful gimmick.
@@TheWickerMan1981 It's kinda weird to say that when one of them is basically a heart of that 'gimmick'.
The game demands a lot of situational awareness. The clip at the end is a perfect example of being unforgivably sloppy. At the beginning of a match, its a no-brainer to be aware of if other chutes are coming down near you. If you were looking, you would have seen where that person landed and what house they went into, so you can run into the *other* house, buying you precious seconds to maybe grab your own gun unmolested - maybe they didn't see you come down because they ran inside too fast, so you can now get the drop on them. Maybe they'll freeze up, letting you get into a good position. If you just mindlessly run after someone who has a head start on you, and take your fists to a gunfight, of course you'll get shot in the face. Luck plays a factor, but much less of one than Rich and Jack make it seem.
A year and a half later and I finally see the "Partners" DVD behind Jack. Is the PUBG map a department of buildings?
this entire video just displays why i never will play a Battle Royale game again.
it makes FPS's look boring, luck-based and more toxic than it really is.
So Rich and Jack's opinions aren't wrong here, but they come from a place of just scratching the surface of the game.
1: I often play chasing the blue line. Once you learn how the blue line scales damage, you can actually play a decent amount of the game behind the blue line if you focus your searching on medical supplies (Sodas, pills, bandages, etc...). This actually gives you some breathing room because most action will focus within the white line.
2: You get surprised less often once you learn the power of ALT looking. Until they force perspective into first person mode, you need to learn to use ALT look to keep a better overall track of your surroundings.
3: They're not wrong about a kill camera. That'd be really helpful and would be a great feature to be added.
4: They're blatantly ignoring the luck factor in Friday the 13th. Luck in placement of needed items. Luck in the draw of who your teammates are and what their proficiency is. Luck of which player becomes Jason and which Jason you're up against which can drastically change the game. There's a lot of luck involved in that game too.
5: In regards to the luck factor of PUBG, you can drastically improve your odds by understanding the map and determining good drop choices. If you drop in hot spots (School, Military Base, apartments) then yes, your chances for dying drastically increase. But if you learn how to increase your drop distance from the flight path and learn what smaller areas of the map still have decent resources, you can fly very far from the flight path and load up easily.
6: Keep your audio up. Many times during this video I see either Jack or Rich getting into an engagement in a house or apartment where they should have heard the person stomping around. In fact during the 16:10 mark I heard the door to the house open up and I was expecting whoever was playing to be watching the stairs rather than the window at that point.
Again, I respect Jack and Rich and I'm not saying their opinions are wrong. I'm just saying the game does take some skill and practice to play at a different level.
You're absolutely right. Couldn't have said it better myself, and I know because I've tried everywhere else in the comments lol.
So you respect people who are paid to review games, yet take no effort to do any research, do not even learn the key commands for the game, shows no consistency between reviews, do not learn the game, make no attempt at strategy and will insult and misrepresent a game just because they show no skill in playing it and are frustrated by dying?
1: They're not really "Paid" to review games. They make some money off of Twitch and TH-cam views, but not nearly as much as they make off the RedLetterMedia stuff. This is more of a passion project for Rich and Jack.
2: Most of their review came down to it just not being their cup of tea. Rich admitted he didn't really like multiplayer games that much to begin with, which is the crux of this experience to begin with. He did admit that it was better than his experience with games like COD or Battlefront, and that means something if you're familiar with Rich's past gaming experience.
3: My only real beef with the review was their insistence with how much they claim Luck plays in the game, and to be honest their not entirely wrong. I just don't think luck plays AS MUCH of a role as they think it does, but it's still a factor in the game.
Finally you obviously take issue with their review style, so how much time do you feel is appropriate in playing the game before giving a review of the game? It's an opinion piece and this isn't really their full time job.
Agree to disagree with being paid reviewers. Rich loves to say he hates certain genres and games, but look at the games he plays and enjoys and this is simply not true. He loves multiplayer games that are not heavily skill based so that make him feel like a good gamer. He has no problem bashing newbs in F13, but then learning curve is a problem in other games, there is no consistency.
It is not about how much time they play, but they could at least learn the controls. When told how to loot Rich states that he prefers his way, totally arrogant because he has never played before. When told that they have to calibrate the scope when sniping they just ignore it and continue to aim shots that could not possibly hit.
When told to find vehicles, they complain that they have to always run to the next circle. When told sound is important, they ignore it. When enemies are clearly seen, they complain that death is instant and luck based. When they are told that it is important to remain unseen, they run around in wide open spaces with zero cover and then bitch that they get shot at.
When they are informed of proper tactics, they go hide in a bush and pretend that a strategy that does not improve their chances of winning is somehow good and indicative of a bad game because they chose to be boring.
How about take a couple of minutes to familiarise yourself with the controls and follow the basic strategy that they were aware of and chose to ignore at every opportunity, learn from your mistakes and stop being totally disingenuous by hiding in bushes.
The devs are actually trying to put an end to "blue line chasers"......
At 19:14 what is Jack using in his left hand as a controller? I love using mouse but have been looking for something other than a keyboard to use while playing pc and that looks like it has a joystick and buttons on it.
Had to rewatch the moment when Jack kills Rich...hilarious.
OH NO RICH DON'T SAY IT
12:02
2:45 partners is on a shelf in the background #Foreshadowing
OMFG guys. these deaths HURT. its like oh heres someone coming into the house downstairs, theyre coming up the stairs, ok why are you walking away from the stairs, oh shot in the back...painful. huge fan but holy CRAP that person needs to be wearing headphones while playing
Shooters are fast and competitive and require quick thinking and quick action. They're probably the closest thing to real-life sports that you can get in video games. I don't think Rich or Jack ever really developed the taste or skill for those kinds of games.
I used to play the shit out of the old COD games, had a lot of fun. Now that I'm older, I don't do as well because I don't have the time and I'm not as fast/autistic as I used to be. Still fun though.
Fuckin hell that friendly fire clip was priceless. I never laughed so hard in my life. "He has a partner around here somewhere..." Yeah that you! Rich's reaction was fucking gold.
PuBG in general is something completely different from what I think both Jack and Rich have ever played before, Dayz and all of it's spinoffs require you to listen very carefully and minimize the sound you generate, otherwise someone will sneak up on you.
Exploiting the third person camera to it's fullest and a good awareness of your surroundings are also crucial. But I agree that the game is at its most fun when played duo or squad.
I think, for me, the game is just having fun. You can do random shit like drive at people spouting Mad Max Fury Road lines or whacking someone with a frying pan.
I also believe the greatest part is that, as soon as you die, you can just join another match immediately.
I'll admit, it has problems. It definitely needs a kill cam, most definitely. The map could be a little less dead. And I believe a 50 on 50 match would be awesome. It's still in early release, and I am hoping for more, but I totally understand the video's points.
A quick Google and apperently PUBG does have a backstory:
"The main island for BATTLEGROUNDS is called Erangel. An abandoned Russian island where a military occupation was controlling the island. The military occupation tested chemical/biological experiments on the islands population, after a resistant attack on a biological facility, the island had to be abandoned."
When I saw the clip of Rich and Jack playing PUBG (literally in armchairs) I was thinking it was the wrong game for them in every aspect. I was kind of shocked they were trying it. It's multiplayer, it's harsh on people who aren't fairly good at FPS, it requires a large amount of awareness and focus to survive. I'm not at all surprised by their impression of the game.
I’m good at FPS games and I completely agree with their assessment. It’s not even the best game of its kind. Plus it looks terrible.
Watching someone good stream this game helps tremendously. It has the death cam info you're looking for. And understanding where people are looting and where they'll go next when the map shrinks is key.
That background song is driving me insane. Just loud enough to notice, not loud enough to add anything to the video.
Uh, okay...wow...I don't even know what to even begin commenting on...
"Why do people play shooters?"
"This game is too boring [...] My best match is when I saw literately nobody for the entire game [...] I sat inside a build for the whole game because I don't really know what to do because I know running around is stupid because your just gonna to get shot [...]"
[RUNS OUT INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN OPEN FIELD AND GETS SHOT] "How did I die?! I don't know!"
"100 to 1 odds! [...] You're never going to win the stupid game!"
"We were breaching with tactics!" [KILLS TEAMMATE]
"If someone gets behind you and shoots you it's all luck!"
I mean, none of this is for real, right? Like, Rich & Jack are just taking the piss outta PUBG? Because otherwise this is just fuckin' too depressing for me to even get mad at.
Hey guys, remember, anyone who disagrees with Jack and Rich or criticizes them in anyway is just a "fanboy".
I am not going to say you are playing it wrong but I will say I started having more fun when I stopped playing to win and started playing for fun. Yes it is way safer and a smarter strat to drop in away from people and hide and run for 20 min. but then you get a ton of those sniped deaths. If you just bomb out near the start of the drop time you get in quick, fun firefights either win (heal up and run) or you die and just jump in again with like 3 minutes invested in that game. From there go looking for trouble not hiding. You will get more experence playing and then when you do want to go for a win do your version of the hiding thing but when its time to smash everyone together you will have the skill to come out on top.
TLDR: Don't hide, fight as much as you can. You may lose more but who cares it's way more fun!
Why did these stop?
Allegedly, Rich was burnt out and didn’t have much else to say about the industry.
The game creates some moments of hilarity, tension, anger and accomplishment. That's the allure of PUBG to the player. Each drop is different, and there is always a chance you will be the last one, among 100 people, left standing. That's the appeal, and it is quite a unique and addicting appeal. Is it the most fair or balanced game so that everyone can have the same enjoyable experience where they left feeling like they accomplished something? No. But that's the whole point. It is damn hard winning a game, and when you do, it is a wonderful feeling.
The gunplay is extremely satisfying, from the good sound audio to the recoil and ragdoll physics. The optimization of the game is the only glaring negative i can think of right now. As you need a pretty beefy system to even get a consistent 100+fps. Also, you dictate your own experience. If you feel the need to camp in a bush for 30 minutes cause you are not confident in your twitch reflexes, then you will have a pretty boring and drab experience. You can play aggressive and almost always find people to shoot at if you know where to go. I'm only 9 mins through this review and decided to stop to write a better one about this intriguing and original game.
My heart beats faster when I'm in the final 5 than it does squatting and deadlifting
There was this game called The Culling which was a smaller scale version of the Battle Royale idea. It had a smaller map with 20 people and more emphasis on survival mechanics and melee. It was pretty fun and it was easy to win if you got good at it, but it was killed by the devs with bad updates.
Rich, think a little. The backstory is that the people that run the game put the guns and supplies there for the players to find.
They said it's Battle Royale scenario, so they had to watch or read what Battle Royale is, yet they still don't get it.
It's amusing reading through all the triggered fanboys' rage-fueled comments. They're probably the people who started playing this genre back with it's inception in DayZ, and have just jumped onto each new slightly different bandwagon. Each game has just copied the formula and changed small things, adding/removing survival elements, NPC threats (zombies), and ripping the Hunger Games / Battle Royale elements into their shitty buggy clones. The reality is that all of these games have two types of players. The ones trying it out for fun or dragged into it by friends, who get tired of it after a while and move on. Then there's the guys who play NOTHING other than the Battle Royale flavor of the week and get mad whenever their game is criticized.
I spend most of my time in a bush....
" I genuinely think people who play this game and games like it so religiously are afflicted with the same type of juvenile sadism as children who stomp on ants for fun."
IN SOVIET RUSSIA; ANT STOMP ON *YOU*
MarxLeninMao you mean the millions of concurrent players?
Speaking of obscure senses of superiority, just like your doing to people who play the game
DayZ was not where this originates. DayZ copied it.
I hate games that deal you a losing hand, then punish you for not having a straight (also see FTL, Slay The Spire). When I was young, and actually enjoyed shooters, everybody started out equal, and camping was considered a tactic for unskilled cowards. PUBG is a die roll to not get screwed by bad position, another die roll to not get screwed on gear, then whoever got the best roll and/or camps the best spot generally wins. Of course skill is a factor, but I didn't come here to shoot craps.
"You're just gonna die. You're just gonna die. It's gonna be really quick. It's not going to be a battle. It's gonna feel like bullshit. And you're not gonna be happy about it. It's just gonna happen." -Rich Evans 2017
How's it different than Xcom and poker? You can get screwed by bad luck but the best tactics and skill still bubbles to the top
This game seems miserable to solo, but incredible to team battle in. The addition of squad tactics and team speak helps to reduce the bad luck variance.
Most people complained at the time, but Rich and Jack were absolutely fucking right. This game is trash.
Now they have death cam. So one argument down. And if you sit in a bush all the time, fine, its up to you to choose if you are going to go crazy and shoot, camp, drive etc. The new map is also way smaller and more action. So it seems the game had fixed what Rich and Jack complained about.
The end is Jack failing to be faster with his parachute, he jumps nearby another instead of going to another place, he runs into the same building... "BAD GAME CANT RECOMMEND"
Play it with headphones on. I used to get wrecked over and over until another player told me to play with stereo or 'surround sound' gaming headphones. Since then i can tell instantly the approximate direction and with practice the distance of incoming fire. The difference is immediately noticable and i regularly get in the top five solo and i've had many squad filling chicken dinners! It's a good game, it's just not exactly casual. th-cam.com/video/Nr9_GWZbJ7U/w-d-xo.html
So. Much. This.
Can't quite make it out but is there a copy of Nukie behind Jack?
There is not a single open world survival game that doesn't suck.
Preach!
Micah Mcgaffin solid criticism :/
Fortnite
Jonathan Tinsley fortnite is literally the same as this game besides the building mechanic
Christian Selby Its less serious than PUBG which a Battle Royale game should be. The map is smaller. Also, the building mechanics leave so very interesting combat.
Sometimes I don't know if Rich has his eyes closed or not
I enjoy this game, but this game isn't survival. Dayz was survival, you had to eat/drink/stay warm. Also fuck dayz.
10:58 wouldn't that make the game even longer and slower paced? I dont understand or agree with most of your complaints of the game
"Because youve snuck up on someone and shot them in the back" You can literally hear the guy walking up the stairs and up behind him and then he just sprays and prays haha
They're both just really bad at the game. They are very unaware of their surroundings and then blame the game despite the game providing adequate visual and audio cues that they simply do not process.
@@cmdrfunk it's partly their fault. But PUBG is also the worst BR game. It's boring, bland presentation puts you to sleep while the best tactic is to... Camp. And since it's nearly always a 1 hit kill for "realism" camping is even more important. It just isn't a good game.
I don't care how much Rich thinks it's not a survival game, it is. Your goal is to survive. Whether that's through killing, hiding, mobility, or any combination of elements. Your only goal it to survive.
There are tons of lessons to be learned from dying.
Open a door and somebody is pointing a gun at you and kills you? Next time open the door and peek.
Running across open fields gets you sniped at? Maybe take the extra time to move through the trees, or hell even grab a vehicle.
Sitting next to an open window and somebody shoots you? Next time maybe avoid making yourself a target through a giant opening in the wall
The game isn't for everybody, and thats fine, but don't blame the game because you're not actively taking lessons from your mistakes.
12:10 the bridge that almost killed pewdiepie career
The footage you used in 16:03 doesn't really support your conclusion you drew seconds before. When the guy snuck up behind, I could hear him coming and when he started shooting, you had plenty of time to fire back but you panicked and missed almost all of your shots. But I think I have to include this in here, I have never played the game. These are just my opinions.
I think one aspect that could fix the instant, unknown quick sudden deaths is to crank up the bullet sponging of the players. Make it fairly difficult to aim a sniper rifle by adding bullet drop and wind resistance to give a sense of skill in game. Depending on the type of gun, they can do different points of damage. A type of armor can give you different points of armor that slightly reduce the damage of bullets, though it will not protect against melee attacks (if any exists). When low on health, your health regenerates up to 25% of the maximum health bar. Food is scarce and will only slowly and slightly restore your health per health item. Med kits will heal more and faster, but you need to crouch down to use it and you need to equip it to use it. It'll take about 3-5 accurate bullets to the head to kill anyone (will vary between pistol, smg, semi-auto rifle and fully automatic rifle). One shot from an accurate sniper shot. And two close range shotgun shell blasts to the torso (Shotgun fire rate is piss slow). Instead of a sudden shrinkage of the circle on the map, the circle will, instead, gradually grow small. The circle will shrink faster, depending on how long the game has gone on or how long the game has gone without a player death. If any of these mechanics or stats are in the game, or have been implemented, then comment below. I am just going from this video, I have not played the game, myself as of yet.
"What a cheap death, I opened a door and a guy was camping there. It's cheap because I should just be able to run in blindly"
Thanks for the review Rich and Jack.
PUB seems like it keeps all the annoying aspects of ARMA, and removes all the tactical challenge that makes the annoyances manageable.
Nah, it takes the best aspects of DayZ and Breaking Point ARMA mods and condenses them down to a 20-40min match instead of running around and scavenging for 5 hours then getting sniped from across the map.
@@ErichGeiger I mean, that still happens, the round is just shorter and the map is smaller.
Arma is supposed to be a military simulator, you don't see the enemy often and just end up providing suppressing fire for your team. It wasn't originally built to be the funner experience the heavily modded game is today.
Arma wasn't designed to be satisfying to kill enemies. PUBG took those same qualities, repackaged it into its own separate game, and didn't quite understand that they were marketing an almost identical experience to the Arma version.
I don't know if they actually realized the implications of replicating their roots as much as they did when they made PUBG.
@@ErichGeiger "best parts"
What is the name of that analog stick that Jack is using to move?
9:33 Sounds like Peeker's advantage, Rich. The guy shot you before you could see him on your screen.
How to fix this: Less bullets. By having fewer bullets you force players to move more as they will need to find resources, which devs could add, as food and water, forcing players to not only move but also to take risks.
Basically, make camping less useful.
4:51 "It's a lot of nothing happening for long stretches of time. And then it's over in two seconds." Rich Evans on his sex life.
I certainly felt a lot their complaints when I first started playing. I also found the team play to be way more satisfying and tactical than solo, but that kind of goes without saying. I love this game, but to be honest I'm spoiled, because I'm always doing team play and hilarious things sometimes don't stop happening.
“watching movies is work“ - rich evans
jonsburyhill Have you seen Theodore Rex? It certainly feels like work.
Everything feels like work when you HAVE to do it.
He said socializing.
i'm not saying he's wrong, it's how they make their living after all. i just found the statement pretty amusing.
I love you, Rich Evans.
Someone needs to make a video titled "Luigi wins PUBG by doing nothing"
16:10 But honestly just decrease that mouse sensitivity.
I used to play a lot of Battlefield, probably not gonna get this game because of their loot-crate announcement. But can identify multiple mistakes Rich and Jack made while playing. Things like running straight lines over hills, not going from cover to cover, not pausing to look and listen, attacking as soon as they can instead of waiting for the optimal time etc etc.
The easiest way explain it to someone unfamiliar to it is to compare it to something like Mario Kart or Poker. For some it seems like a 100% luck, yet you'll always see the same people in the top 10. Then when you watch a video or stream of these players playing you'll realize that their not playing an action game. It's almost entirely a strategy game to them, juggling dozens of variables and concentrating more than most people do at an exam.
Just my 2 cents. I however moved on to more narrative based games rather than the OCD types.
The thing with PUBG that i noticed, i have not played it btw.
Jack and Rich are complaining about what AVERAGE player (and your average is always a solo noob) feels when playing the game.
But what happens when average player dies in PUBG? He learns something (even when he thinks he didn't) and then he FINDS ANOTHER MATCH.
What happens when the same player dies in Friday the 13th? He has to wait UNTIL THE END OF THE GAME.
So from the design point of view PUBG is probably better. Simply because there is less wasted play time, and it translates to less chance for player to get bored.
Frustration will always be a HUGE part of any difficult game for some people, and player versus player MP games are extremely difficult because of the constant competition.
But your frustration does not make the game bad, you may hate the game so much when you died "unfairly", but you were in fact ENGAGED that means the game is not bad. After all the frustration and anger are a heavy emotions that simply cannot happen if the player is not engaged.
And if H1Z1 and PUBG designs actually manage to keep the players engagement levels high while the players do nothing but stand or lie still for 10 to 5 minutes, then the design is probably not bad, pretty good even.
The only problem i see is that the peak of popularity (and the PR campaign) for these games have happened when they were in an unfinished state - this is a really bad trend, even worse is the fact that people don't seem to notice that and do not complain. Everyone would have benefitted if PUBG was completed before it's release and marketing campaign, massive user testing could have been done vie timed betas instead of early access release.
The PC one has 3 maps and a killcam but the lag and gunplay is horrendous, sometimes you fire once and they just drop dead other times you will spray at point blank and hit them 0 times.
Jack: If "in a perfect world you would win 1 in 100 times" then you are saying you want the game to be truly 100% luck/random, like spinning a wheel - but you said this after complaining there was too much luck.
(I've never played this game and have no personal investment, it was just a weird thing to say)
they were saying that there are 100 people. so in theory you have a 1 in 100 chance at best. that is not what they want.
I have a 15% win rate in solos. It is a bit random, but skill and intelligence wins out most of the time.
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if you watch most streamers they avoid camping and sitting on buildings. They go sweaty and go on the attack most of the time, the white circle placement is pure luck of the draw, but most gunfights you can usually understand what why you died. How you exposed your self by accident Etc.
Also how great is Garth Merenghi's Darkplace?
A game that's only fun when played with friends isn't a fun game. Doing anything with friends can be fun.
This game is the MOST fun I've had playing with friends in years. Some hilarious, amazing, heart pounding moments have been had.
same dude i always play duo or squad its so much fun
Good thing this game is pretty fun in solo
I know I prefer to play smash bros with friends and not against bots. Does that make it a "not fun game"? Comment makes no sense.
There are crap games that lean on this idea that they're "fun with friends" because everything is, yes. Your universal argument doesn't make sense, however. It completely ignores all genres where teamwork is part of the fun. There is a fundamental difference between solo and group matches of PUBG, where constant communication and teamwork is the entire point. This is where it differs from all of those soft-RPG loot grinders (Borderlands, Warframe, etc.) where you can play a mediocre experience alone or a nearly identical experience with three friends. Playing PUBG with a group doesn't distract you from a bad game, it becomes a different game, much like the difference between 1v1 and group matches in For Honor.
Rich, while a bit biased because he doesnt like the game, fair enough, has raised some good points.
- this is not a survival game. it's BR, no survival elements, no crafting, food etc
- this game does have a problem in the fact that it encourages a more passive approach.
Mind you that this goes down as you go up in skill (as you start you're queue with noobs, there is a sort of a ranking), but it's
still a thing. Not much that can be done, afterall a BR is not an FPS where you run around, and First Person Mode has pretty
much nullified camping's advantage. It's pretty fun.
- there is a luck aspect, loot, circle posish, positioning. but you gotta keep in mind that you may find yourself in the circle
from the start, that doesnt necessarily mean that you are in a high loot zone, and if you just stand around in the middle you
ARE gonna get pinched from all sides.
As soon as you get down your first priority should not be to get to the nearest house, but to find a vehicle and get to a high
loot zone asap.
Some correction I had to make to things you said, which are mostly due to you not having had enough time with the actual game, no fault on your side:
- "you don't know the best places to drop off": loot is not completely randomized: there are high and low loot areas, for
example go to the Military Base, Georgopol or most of the cities you're more likely to get good loot than in some house in
the middle of nowhere. there is random variation among those.
-the circle being a flaw: I dont think it's a game design flaw when you get the circle on the opposite side of the island. IF you
decide to have a game with a restricting randomized circle, it's gonna appear somewhere, and some people are gonna draw
the short end of the RNG stick.
Tip: there are plenty of vehicles around roads, so you dont really have to run all the time.
Having said that, there's still some work that could be done on the circle's positioning and mechanics.
- an issue with the "pointlessness" of it all and the fact that you dont realize how you died and you're just gonna get sniped
randomly etc:
well, rich doesnt like shooters, that's settled, so point taken there. I do believe that the appeal of this, and other shooting
games, is the competitiveness and excitement aspect: exactly BECAUSE you can die any second in one second, you're
gonna be on edge and super careful, making your eventual victory feel much better, much more earned than in other cases.
secondly, you should be able to realize where you got killed from, and if it's a super far sniper then that's your answer, doesnt
really matter if you see a kill cam or not, you're gonna learn from your mistakes just by observing your actions.
It's really easy to die in this game due to poor positioning: this game more than others, really requires tactical knowledge of
movement, knowledge of timing, geography of the map, how to use defilades and natural barriers, all stuff that you're gonna
learn gradually.
It's really much about tactics and reflexes: most deaths can be avoided. "If someone happens to be behind you" you should
have spotted them when you ALT-look around like you should do basically continuosly, just looking forward is setting you
up for getting shot in the bum.
You actually can't "get very far with the luck aspect and almost no skill", I mean you can in low ranks and when you're just getting started, but
with good players you're gonna get destroyed.
I think Jack should give it some more time, he seems to have some promise to really enjoy it once he understands how it works overrall, since it does have pretty steep learning curve.
Most of his grievances are the same I had when I started out, and most of them have been resolved, by learning, skill (some of those clips where rough, lol) or updates.
I gotta highlight, this game is really an outlier in the dev team's commitment to updates, I shit on this game a lot online but they keep fixing a lot of shit.
Jack, this helped me and countless people get "better" and learn not to just be super passive: drop in populated areas, that'll teach you to fuck shit up under pressure.
Rich...he's probably not gonna like it anyway, I dont like RTS's, he doesnt like shooters, to each their own.
I gotta say, the "it's just bullshit, you're gonna die anyway" somewhat remains, but as you get better and learn to do less stupid shit, and boy did I do a lot of it without realizing in the start, that goes away quite a bit.
And yes, play duos or squads, 1000 times more fun, even though I do like me some lone wolf action.
leo sky completely agree man, good breakdown. Unfortunately a lot of the game stuff you mentioned, like the importance of getting a vehicle and there being high and low loot areas, has been pointed out to them many times. They just blatantly ignored all that because they "want to learn the game on their own" and that's what makes this review frustrating.
"kill unsatisfied" no, getting the drop on someone is a Good Feeling
You forgot to mention the awful netcode, shitty hit detection, and litany of glitches.
This review is very "unsatisfying". As with any game, you must practice and figure things out. You can start out on any part of the map and basically always have a vehicle within the first circle to get from A to B. Also, landing near the circle is not always the best place to be initially. Smart players will purposely spend 2 or 3 circles looting and take boosts to survive with enough room to make the circle. If you are sick of being camped and people having the drop on you, play FPP. I understand that by the time of the review there probably wasn't FPP like it is now. Long stretches of nothing, if you don't choose to land in a popular zone, or near one.
The game is not for everyone, but there is a reason it is being played by so many people.
Rich, please stop touching the bottom of your shoe! It's so gross!!
charlesmartin82 I once saw Rich Evans use the bottom of his shoe as a plate.
You know the biggest trick of PUBG is? That it takes you more than 2 hours to really understand whats going on and when you do, cannot get a steam refund....
I'm surprised you didn't mention it's early access - kill cams on solo are coming, and first person servers just came out - changing the game (especially when it comes to "cheap" deaths). A lot of the deaths can feel "cheap" if you're new to the game and don't understand what you did wrong. Running out in the open, dropping without a plan, dropping in a heavily populated area, not getting a vehicle - these are all big mistakes that new players make but aren't obvious. The most important thing in the game is positioning, and after that then guns make a huge difference - determining if you can/can't make a kill against another player.
I like the game because I can choose how my early game will go - if I just want to run and gun deathmatch I'll drop in the first city or school or something. If I want to scavenge and snipe I'll drive to a remote town.
Entering a town with open doors or hearing footsteps/shots nearby when you're looting is some of the most tense gaming experiences I've had, and coming close to winning is always exhilarating. I got my first chicken dinner pretty early on but it still felt amazing.
Saying all that I wouldn't recommend it to everyone - it's not a typical shooter and I can see a lot of people being bored with it. I'd recommend it more to the type of player who likes STALKER. The slow and tense buildups make the kills all the more earned.
"If you are fortunate enough to be born within the *white circle* you can kinda take your time, find all the good equipment, and find a nice snipe zone."
Not being terrible at the game also helps with the enjoyment factor.