It's actually kind of amazing how Jack's frame looks all colorful and cheerful, while everytime the camera cuts to Rich you enter a sad and desaturated world.
Haha well at the time they were 100% spot on But now we've seen the amazing Internet Historian video on it and the monumental effort and pressure the developers went through to fully realize the game for free post launch, and actually deliver on everything they promised and more, i respect the hell out of them for that, adding 500% more game But yeah, even with base building, co op etc it's still not the most exciting game haha, but at least isnt just refill fly refill loop
@@IamSonyanddumb i played a lot of nms, its just like, you go to different planets and mine stuff, or fight in space, or do missions, idk i imagine its like minecraft. theres some cool stuff in it but its pretty boring most of the time
Here's why I consider the shit they pulled lies. They specifically created bullshit 'vertical slices' to show the game doing things you ultimately can't do in the final game. They used footage from these bullshit demos to promote the game and never corrected the misinformation. They're still using footage from those BS "early versions" on the Steam page to sell the game...they aren't representing the game accurately at all. They hid behind their faux-secrecy in order to perpetuate the lies, up to near release when some got the game early, and the devs told people to ignore that footage because it was missing a day one patch. A day one patch which did NOTHING to flesh out their empty shell of a game. They pulled the same shit that Randy Pitchford did with Aliens: Colonial Marines, and Peter Molyneux has done for the past 15 years, and people have no problem saying that those guys are liars (because they are). Sean Murray being kind of personable and the studio being indie (though with Sony backing) doesn't mean they should be let off with this kind of flim-flam bullshit.
It gets even better when you go further down this rabbit hole. The dev explicitly stated the game would have all these cool different features. Features the final game lacks. (different ships would have different handling and capabilities; you could name ships the same way you could name animals/etc; a diverse faction system; the planets would orbit around the sun creating a real day/night cycle; the list goes on; you can even find one such list on the internet)
And don't forget that they said they wouldn't make DLCs in the future because they said they believed that paying 60$ was already enough, and then a week after that they did a 180 and they said they'd consider making DLCs after all.
How about a desert planet? Or an ice planet? Or an ocean planet? Or a jungle planet where it's always raining? Or a volcano planet? Or a planet that's all tunnels full of giant ant-like creatures?
It's just funny people compared cyberpunk to this I was like... This game had NOTHING in it hahaha Walk on planet, get fuel, fly to new planet. Rinse. Repeat. Cyberpunk is still a fully fleshed out game with a story, gameplay, characters..solid side quests.. a few bugs doesn't remotely make it similar to this hollow dumpster fire. (The fact they've turned it into an actual game since then is irrelevant haha, but definitely worth aknowledging they actually added multiplayer, building etc
9:45 Yeah they made a fake demo and said it was randomized, said there was multiplayer then covered it up with a sticker, and told us there was shit in the game that isn't there. NOT. MALICIOUS. AT ALL. Jack, come the fuck on, if they wanted this stuff in the game, all they had to do was delay it, if they were running out of money and couldn't afford to, they could come out with a press release detailing what had to be cut and if it will ever show up in the future. Not fucking difficult, he didn't say shit because he wanted your money and he got it.
I have to disagree with Jack on this one; Hello Games absolutely lied about what No Man's Sky was. It's clear by the exhaustive list compiled by redditors of the features that were promised but not delivered, complete with clips from interviews, articles and even Hello's own blog posts proving they promised them. They only started back-tracking in the last few months, but even then it went from "these features will be in the game" to some coy non-answer about the feature that you can't really draw any solid conclusion on.
Troy Thormond Oh no, they exist. Suffice to say, that's not going to save the game. Only farmable drugs will pique my interest. I want my cocaine plot.
"A lie to me, means malicious intent". That's not what that word means. Sean Murray lied, straight up, multiple times on multiple claims. You can argue what kind of lie and the intent behind it, doesn't matter, still a lie, by definition. He misled people.
haha well at least now theyve added 99% of everything they said it needed, base building, multiplayer, factions, space combat, third person, character customization etc still not really interested but at least the developers didnt give up, and its not just find resources/fly/find/fly blah blah this game really needed mod support to save it haha
@@xdan9xx oh it was the developers, free updates adding all that stuff, and now that it's cheaper it doesn't seem like a ripoff I was just saying mods make such a massive difference Ever since Morrowind and fallout 3, I always have 200 mods on ever elder scrolls and fallout game and it vastly improves the experience, never play vanilla I was never into Minecraft, it's just chickens and shitty blocks, but the technic/ftb modpacks adding machines, nuclear reactors, airships, wiring, countless new tools blocks, space stations, mars bases, that's the real game to me haha, vanilla is so dull But yeah I definitely respect the developers for actually following through on their promises, they added all that stuff I tried it at a buddies house for a little bit, the vehicles and base building is kind of cool, but the planets are still super dull and repetitive, there's no buildings dungeons or anything to find, no story
3:36 I'm reminded of Yahtzee's comment that there may be more ways of shuffling a deck of cards then there are atoms in the universe, but that doesn't mean solitaire won't get boring after the 3 billionth game
Some other things this game lacked: -Different Types of stars -Gas Giants -Lava Planets -Desert Planets -Ocean Planets -Neutron Stars -Actual Black Holes -Gamma Ray Bursts -Planets without atmospheres (mercury) -Planets with extreme atmospheres (Venus) -Base Building -Different Ship Types -Intelligent AI -NPC's -A fucking Story -Fucking Multiplayer -All the other things they lied about
Hai from 2022. Well, the term to "pull a No Man's Sky" is now a thing: to knuckle down and turn a seemingly hopeless game back to its original vision, and then some. Cyberpunk 2077 was a frequently cited as being the last disaster that would have benefited from such stewardship, but alas, the CD Get wrecked just couldn't be arsed.
Something I think all gamers desperately need to learn: *Scale does not equal quality*. For too long now gamers make the assumption that a bigger game is automatically better. Terms like "open world" or "non-linear" are seen as unequivocal words of praise. A game that is 60 hours long with 50 levels is seen as automatically better than a game that is 20 hours long with 12 levels. If a game has a open world that is a million miles wide with dozens of side-quests, gamers think therefore it has to be better than a game with a linear plot and no side-quests. And a game like No Man's Sky seems like the end result of this mindset. Here's a game as big as a universe, so gamers assume as a direct result it must be the best game ever. But that's all bullshit. How "big" a game is _doesn't matter!_ What matters is how *FUN* the game is. To paraphrase Angry Joe, a game as huge as an ocean is worthless if it's only as deep as a puddle. Look, Pong is a game that consists of three pixels. But if I'm having more fun with those three pixels than a huge open world, I'll bloody play pong then. You can shove your open world right up your arse.
This is just an Elite game with planetside exploration (which in turn was already done by games like Noctis). Every significant principle that this game boasts has been done decades ago Except in Elite games there's stuff to do. I mean, we are talking about a franchise that started in the early 80s here.
At this point my whole experience boils down to watching my girlfriend play, and thinking of all the problems, and waiting for her to see them too. Last night she'd been playing for like 4 hours. She finds a house, talks to the guy, gets a blueprint for LIFE SUPPORT!! She looks at the blueprint. It says she doesnt have it yet. I see the gears turning. She accepts, goes to her inventory, and looks at her LIFE SUPPORT. She turns to me and says "is that the basic life support we got 20 hours ago?" I go "yea." She goes "i think im done playing." I sigh in relief. Today Subnautica got an update.
Its no Mount and Blade, thats for sure. There's no goal's in M&B, you make up your own story in that game. But holy fuck taking your own castle and building it up feels wonderful.
I was in a game project around the same time as No Mans Sky came out, similar idea: infinite persistent universe. The problems in NMS are the same that we were faced with just in the preliminary research phase... Variety is one of them, you can create too much and 99% of the worlds are unplayable, or you can make 99% of them playable and make it look bland. No one cares if one planet has violet ground and the other has red. No one really cares if we make the planet grow from periodic elements and have planetary evolution take care of forming it cause it is going to look like all the others, just with different composition of things... and this is before life is added. And i know that our system would've been also revolutionary, we were looking at some heavy math (not me... ) and using novel ways to procedurally generate it, it felt at times like decoding the actual universe. But... it was never ever going to be a game. It would've made a kickass screensaver.
Nah i liked it. Spent 60h on it and probably will spend more 40h give or take. I agree it is missing a lot of features it was promising, but the game is still fun and they are implementing new things in the patches so those features may be placed. I think people were miss informed or tricked themselves the game was another thing. Even without the things that are missing the game would not be what people chose to believe. They said next patch base building will be implemented so it may be more fun. But even if the game becomes great in the future i think even refund people will be too butt hurt to play again. Oh well.
Cthulhu People were misinformed because they were deliberately lied to, and when Murray and Co. were given chances to set the record straight and come out and explicitly answer questions, they either embellished things or were vague. What are people to do but try and fill in the gaps? I do think they can still turn the game into something good, like Minecraft. But they have to stay persistent and communicate with the community in order to do that. It's not like NMS has no hope
The best thing to compare this to is the 1,000 different nearly identical crafting games ALL OVER STEAM. These games have come out every week for YEARS. The only thing this added is a ship to fly around. That's literally it. For 60$.
Who said anything about lacking taste and critical thinking? Jack was referring to the cosmetics in the game. If you are high, all those colors and shapes will look really cool and therefore keep you playing the game because of how strange everything will look. It says nothing about your intelligence level.
***** That is assuming that people smoke weed to be entertained by colors and shapes. Which, if you smoked weed, I doubt you would say something like that. It is pretty clear he doesn't smoke weed, but that is okay, no one is saying anything negative about Jack or Rich, I love these guys and redlettermedia. However, everyone I know who smokes weed are creative types who either write, paint, draw, or engage in philosophical conversation. So its not so much that weed smokers are dummies, but its more that there are some dummies that smoke weed.
Cupavi Kurcic He probably doesn't smoke weed. However, that is okay, I love Jack and Rich and if they don't that is fine. It isn't so much that people who smoke weed are easily amused, it is that there are people who are easily amused who may smoke weed. In which, I would say, they wouldn't need weed to enjoy pretty pictures - they are just easily amused mouth breathers.
I fucking love RedLetterMedia! How did I not know about this channel?! FUUUUUCK! Subscribed... To add an example to Rich's explanation of story to gameplay ratio at 19:24; Uncharted. This is coming from someone who used to absolutely be obsessed with Uncharted.
I warped into a new system and was in the middle of a random space battle. It looked like the E3 footage, maybe on a slightly smaller scale, but there were still a lot of attackers and freighter looking ships. It happened once in hours and hours of gameplay, but it was in there, somewhere.
Improving your standing in conversations gives you more options... In conversations... So that you can build your standing... For more options... In more conversations...
you guys rock. been too long since your last vid. you red letter guys are truly making the only on going show (tv etc included) that we look forward too. please keep going dudes!
Anybody here remember Spore? I remember watching some of the first game-play back on Google video and I was so excited by its potential, and then at release it was stripped to the bone.
My main gripe is you have to repair your ship from the start and you run out of hyper fuel. If those aspects alone weren't a factor I may have loved it. It just got too tedious when all you're wanting to do is fly from Planet to Planet but you have to grind just to get to the next stop.
I stopped doing that after Mass Effect 3 and i'm always skeptical about every game that looks interesting befor release since. It actually helps to enjoy games better because my expectations are never that high.
+PoweredByFlow You're Goddamn right! I'll never pre-order anything or even trust a game will be good until plenty of reviews and time passes. Mass Effect 3 broke my fan boy spirit.
Becoming more resilient to marketing and hype is a god skill in general. You'd probably be really sad if you counted up the money you spent on things because someone else told you it was or would be awesome. I was completely ready to ignore Diablo 3 until my asshole friends made me watch every lying, bullshit trailer.
I Just discovered previously recorded... Damn you redlettermedia for removing yet another month of my life catching up on more schlock entertainment. Why Rich Evans, WHY?
10:45 Rich’s point makes me think about Starfield. The game does all of those things he mentioned which are on top of an RPG. It’s interesting how public perception eventually changed on NMS as well as Fallout 76 and Cyberpunk, all of whose launches were utterly disastrous. I imagine Starfield will grow on people in time too, especially since it had the benefit of launching in a much better technical state than those three games.
Deep in the Amazonian rain forest there are tribes as yet untouched by modern man who have created more convincing space exploration games than no man's sky.
Imagine if Game of Thrones was billed as, "The largest fantasy world in television history, millions of characters with complex relationships, two continents over thousands of years, join us for the unforgettable saga of a legendary world at war!" And then season 1 was ten hours of walking from King's Landing to Winterfell, without talking or fighting.
I'd LOVE to see another/2nd review of No Man's Sky to see what you guy's think of it now, because apparently it's supposed to be Amazing after tons of new stuff they added.
I think I know why they made the "ending" the way they did. They said they took a lot of inspiration from the game Journey, which was a short "art experience" for the PS3, which had an extremely similar ending relating to the concept of the journey (hence the title) being more important than the destination. It wasn't amazing in that game either, but the difference was that a.) the game was only two hours long and b.) the experience could actually mean something given that you'd randomly find other players along the journey. No Man's Sky is touted to be thirty hours and is a game about collecting shit and has no multiplayer components apart from renaming things. In other words, that ending is unfitting to what the game is trying to be. When you have a game about literally building your way up to something, I don't know who thought it'd be a good idea to make the final goal basically meaningless.
I'm pretty sure part of the 'knee-high' effect comes from the way the alien foliage is assembled. It is made of familiar shapes appearing in unnatural sizes, making it hard to put things into a proper perspective. When you are standing next to a giant flower, you can't really tell if the flower is big, or if your character is short.
I think it's unfair to suggest that Sean Murray set out to lie to us. I think he was overwhelmed by the attention the game was getting from gamers and Sony, and was forced into a corner where he had to exaggerate and make vague in order to keep his head above water.
Mads Stays Noided Nice theory, but the fact is they are still using the bullshit gameplay videos to sell the game on steam for example. These are unscrupulous people.
The first time I saw No Man's Sky debut at e3, I thought it was a beautiful idea. The second time I saw it, they added nothing and I realized right away it was Spore 2. I can't believe I was wrong... it's actually much worse than Spore. Glad I waited for reviews to buy this.
These guys are so cute and smart. They list the various lies that the developers made about the game, but then state we don't think it was a lie, to save themselves from libel. It is like in Julius Caesar, when Marc Anthony states I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him, so I won't talk about all the money he gave you, all the circuses he provided to you, the glory he brought to Rome, etc
Watching this 4 years after the review, having just played about 20 hours of this game for the first time (post the massive quantities of updates) is truly fascinating. I'd love to see them come back to it briefly just to see if the further developments in this game were what the boys were originally hoping to see after those misleading E3 demos.
The first few hours were actually really good, though. I actually really liked learning a language. I misinterpreted a guy at a trading station and got married to a Predator. I wish the game actually followed through.
I think what Not-Rich Evans was trying to say is that there's a difference between LYING about something, and just... being wrong about it. but nah them bitches was lyin tho
You see what could have been cool in an exploration game like this, would have been if you GROW a spaceship, as in you start off on a 1 man-ship, and slowly you build it up with parts and tech from races you meet, you convince people to come with you and form a crew, and eventually, you can end up with the Enterprise in space, 1000s of people you've collected together, living with their family and all the living spaces and sections you've added. That would have given a reason to keep going, watching your community of a ship grow into it's own city in space moving from world to world.
The game has improved over time, I think it's still lacking in some function. Multiplayer is added but it needs multiplayer ships and expedition stuff now to get people doing this kinda Star Trek kinda collaborative thing. Give you and your friends some task to accomplish casually over an evening, rather than as it still is them fuck off or dick about bored... More like Death Stranding sorta thing for it's flaws you felt like you were doing something. Like have capital ships need you to crew them and co ordinate to get around. You CAN play solo and can have a capital ship etc, but for it to work fully, it can be done but you feel like Doctor Who. you kinda need another player. It's a ball ache to moniter the systems alone, sprinting from one place to another. no, solo play is a small craft taking on Skyrim style "radient Quests" As Han Solo or whatever, maybe you meet a group of other players and decide to strike up a friendship? Perhaps not. Perhaps you like delving into ruins and selling artifacts. Single player NMS is at the point you CAN do those things Multiplayer? When you go on expeditions each crew member has different jobs. Theres classes. Commander, engineer and scientist. Etc. They're getting there with the nexus collaborative events but having friends crewing a ship and having to work as a team makes it more worthwhile. Meet Elite, EVE and the X games Halfway. limit the scope a bit. Unlike Eve and X you need to be a business guru to get enjoyment, it's still casual, but a kind of mission. A new hand in development has been felt with the latest update making space derelicts and a kinda alien isolation vibe. I can see NMS becoming a brilliant space sandbox, but a sandbox needs spades and buckets. So far it's still sand. I can now build a set of Alien Power loader suit. But why? I can have a freighter and improve my standing with factions. Why? Each task requires a purpose. Scanning now adds " Nanites" a kind of tech currency to spend on better upgrades. Brilliant idea it adds a purpose to scanning rocks and trees and alien tech -It's adding to a pool of "science "you can spend on upgrading your gear. In roleplay terms yourself or your crew or even if you're in a "Guild" for lack of a better term "Scienced" enough they leaned a new technique or advancement in a field. You collect 1500 nanites? Spend that on blueprints on a better mineral scanner. You roleplay you're a mining consortium Keep expanding that I like it. No Man's Sky needs this RPG progression system more. Expand on it outside suit upgrades and make Nanites an "Xp"to chase after. Solo play you get a few Nanites, enough to ponder choosing to improve your helmet or scanner ok. In the broader spend nanites to improve the crew, or the mothership's resilience. Nms can be a slow burn MMO where people over a week, friends or strangers tell stories of trying to keep thier mothership intact, but ran out of Dark Matter and sheered a few hull plates along the way. This G type Star system has a planet preliminary scans from an early game unupgraded mothership has some resources to help, so you and your mates decide to jump on your landing craft and do some exploring. On the way you discover this system has a solo player in it. Now you can try to be a troll, but why? You're stuck here anyway. They respawn minecraft style at thier base and after slapping around a few times get bored. You CAN be hostile if you want for roleplay especially if they get into it too fighting off the invaders, the aggressor stands to lose more resources from thier mothership as a respawn point than a solo guy on the ground. Attack a pod on the side of the ship and 10k Oxygen just vapourised. It'd be fun to show up as a crew and attack the locals, it's also fun for the victim, knowing they have home field advantage. It's be fun to play war, but it's not EVE online. So it's not too wild west. Most times it's just another group of pals doing thier thing or a solo player building stuff with thier kid, but you ask them uhh hi, need hull plates and hyperdrive fuel. They can offer directions, try to sell you the resources, heck tag along. Help the expedition, maybe want to join the crew making new friends THAT's what I can see NMS becoming. People travelling around, or staying put and building settlements and meeting new people. Nerding out. Trying to keep thier motherships intact. Adding crew members who aren't NPCs but real people. A Dad and Daughter in the evening play a chill game together are playing an engineer who like to build stuff together, making stuff. They meet a group of 5 players on a Capital ship who fly into thier system and ask for Dark matter . Dad and Daughter log in and can fly off and do thier thing, but when the whole crew is together, they are looking for parts to keep the ship going "Daddy, Daddy the Captain is on the planet, we can make him a power thing.They need. I think it'd be cool if we went and helped " that sorta thing. It's like the ultimate Star Trek videogame. It just needs some gameplay loop and payoff. As mentioned the Nexus is a good start, but now needs multiplayer risk eward. Nexus missions aren't like solo missions. They require a multi crewed ship juggling resources to get there and trolling is less likely when that goal needs each player. It might need a stranger's help and the "quest " unlike other games doesn't have a time restraint. Meaning each person can log in and contribute in thier own time or if they're together can co ordinate. It has big rewards like a lottery win, but needs a lot of work and stories made along the way
That's a big walk of texts, but yeah the game need satisfying progression and player urgency, at it's core it's still boring with pointless busy work where you have to pretend to have purpose
The ending seems to transport you to another galaxy. On the one hand that's amazing but on the other... there's probably not much else to do in it either.
From what I've gathered, even after the years of updates and patches No Man's Sky is still an average limited exploration simulator. Just cashgrabby mess of a game. Non-AAA developers can be shiesty too.
Considering they haven't charged a penny for the numerous updates I'd hardly call them "cash grabby." This isn't one of the loot crate or mobile app games.
That's like the ending to that Jurassic Park game from the Super Nintendo: Ending scene is just the intro scene in reverse, but with a helicopter sound playing. All that you had to go through, for that...."ending."
The game almost inexplicably reminds me of a space genre commodore 64 game. Something about the intentional retro sci fi aesthetic, coupled with the unintentionally obvious and frequent re use of object assets, to the overall sense of directionless and simplistic almost arcade like disposition about everything.
Honestly, the game is a great idea but don't confuse that with ambitious. The technology isn't there. In real life NASA is discovering planets made completely of diamonds, planets with 2 feet of habitable space and the rest of the planet on one hemisphere is ice and the other is lava. Even the planet in interstellar that had 2 feet of water covering the entire planet would be a cool idea. If you could explore those planets and there was real danger of death and you could cure disease, hunger, stop war and learn new things about alien species to help you toward some goal then it would great.
I had been looking forward to this game for years. I stayed as far away from interviews, and all that hype and tryed to keep my expectations low, which I think I succeeded. All I wanted was a space travel game with some good material collecting/crafting system. I didn't care about a story or really a goal or anything, I just wanted to wander around and craft shit. Even with my low expectations and realistic hype levels I was let down. The crafting is like, non existent and all you do is just refill meters that arbitrarily go down. Thanks Hello Games.
It's 2023, and the No Man's Sky developers have been working hard to realize - without demanding additional purchases - the incredible vision that they had. Pirates, space battles, smuggling, dozens of varieties of worlds and hundreds of creatures. And guess what? It still boils down to the same repetitive cycles. An infinitely wide wading pool whose most crippling feature is that in a universe of infinite randomly-generated variables none of it really means... anything. There is no fixed point to drive your story forward, just a series of radiant quests that serve to pad out finding the resources to get the blueprint to craft a slightly better thing ad nauseum. If you weren't forced to travel as part of the storyline, you'd easily be able to accomplish everything you need to do within the confines of a single star system, and honestly, if that single star system were more fully realized, it would make for a much more compelling game. Once you realize that instead of complex ecosystems and fleshed-out characters and planets, it's just a dice roll with no real rhyme or reason behind it, the luster is gone. And those damn popup notices are still there. I have over a hundred hours put into you, NMS. I understand how to use my booster rockets. Of course, by the time you realize it, you'll probably have dropped a bunch of hours into the game and gotten your money out of it. It's pretty cool to first experience leaving a planet, re-entering the atmosphere, finding strange creatures and naming them, building a base, finding rare ships and upgrading them, participating in space battles, and assembling a fleet with personal escort fighters. It's neat learning new languages and having dialogue choices go from unintelligible garble to allowing you to use your knowledge as you trade and help aliens, to tame alien creatures and genetically modify their young. It's pretty rad finding a mechanical planet, or a planet populated by bubble creatures, or finding sentient robots that eat batteries instead of food pellets. But, and I hate to say it, it's only neat the first couple of times. I've been on so many ice worlds with six-legged reptiles that have udders on their tail that they all just blur together.
I keep coming back to NMS every year when they make a major update, and after my second planet of melting rocks, I just turn it off again. Do you ever advance enough that you don’t have to melt rocks anymore?
@@pawned79 Sadly, due to how the economy works, you're always going to have to melt specific kinds of rocks. You can get automated mining machines that melt rocks for you, but they demand fuel and have such a low capacity that you need to micromanage them while you're supposed to be discovering the wonders of the universe. Just talking about it makes me feel tired.
@@garretteverett2613 when I played it briefly a few months ago, they had added this multiplayer hub area and it looked like there was a group quest NPC. What is that gameplay like?
@@pawned79 No idea. I didn't enter an infinite universe of galactic exploration so I could interact with real-world people, you know? Multiplayer quests give you special currency for buying unique outfits and gear, and events add unique items and small variants on the way to play, although usually making you start a new character. None of it really has a bearing on how I like to play so I ignore that. The few folks I have talked to in the hub area seem pretty chill and often generous with stuff they've farmed, and if there's any MMORPG-type community I'd consider joining, it'd be this one. Not a lot of conflict or smack talk in the chat, which is nice. Everyone's there to work together and lift each other up for the most part, from what I can gather, and are just stoked that a game this old is still receiving regular updates and support.
@@pawned79 This definitely is one of those games like WoW though where people get Stockholm Syndrome and say things like "It's awesome, you should join, things get really good once you've put hundreds of hours in and are max level and have a bunch of good stuff." I recommend it if you really like grinding and resource management, or if you really like getting stoned and wandering around looking at neat stuff. Anywhere between those two poles is mediocre.
Jack's absolutely on point - if this game was a $20 indy Steam game it would've been fine. And Rich is right about NMS being something you could tack on to another game (Star Trek Online, I'm looking at you) to prop it up.
I fucking hate how Jack always tries to put his own personal definitions on things. "A lie to me involves malicious intent" Okay that's nice, too bad that's not what the definition of a lie is, doesn't matter what your arbitrary definition is.
I don't know how you have gotten to a point in life where you have the ability to type a comment on TH-cam but don't know the definition of a three letter word, nor do I know how you failed to just look up the definition when you didn't know the definition, but somehow it seems that both of those possibilities came together to form one comment, because to literally everyone on the planet who knows the definition, the definition *requires intent*. Here, I'll list a bunch of definitions for "lie." Google: an *intentionally* false statement. Merriam-Webster: to make an untrue statement *with intent to deceive* Dictionary.com: to speak falsely or utter untruth *knowingly, as with intent to deceive* OED: [to tell] an *intentionally* false statement. So actually I guess that means that Jack hit the definition out of the park, and for you, well, okay that's nice, too bad that's not what the definition of a lie is, doesn't matter what your arbitrary definition is. If you don't know what you're talking about at all, please don't be a belligerent asshole about it, at least.
Verne Behrends Dude I have no idea what is up with these dumbass comments about lying. This guy even tries to bring up the definition of the word - which he clearly has never bothered to look up. Even before I saw your comment I went looking for a definition that doesn't contain some form of intent. There isn't one. For a statement to be a lie there literally must be intent. I don't even like this show or these guys as game guys and I sure as hell don't like what happened with NMS but damn the morons are really popping out of the woodwork on this one.
I'm not kidding at all, I warped into a new solar system to find a literal fleet of pirate fighters flying about sacking some of the freighters. The game can have moments. Once in a blue moon.
Am i the only one around here who heard what they said and immediately dismissed it as nonsense? I didn't get even the least bit hyped for this game, partially because the premise is awful and boring, but I didn't believe them for a second that there'd be all these unique worlds that are totally different and a nearly infinite universe to explore of strange new flora and Fauna. I looked at it for 2 seconds and saw Spore again. I can't be the only one who wasn't fooled, can I? See, this would have been a great system to implement in maybe a star trek game, with a through narrative along side the actual exploration.
I didn't believe it too from the very beginning, especially for the fact that they never cleared what you're actually do in the game and that was a HUGE redflag for me. Also how is a team of 12 people or so supposed to make a massive universe with rich content when even AAA studios with a staff count of 500 people struggle to do that?
PoweredByFlow well to be fair, that triple A team has to be worried about things like having a strong empowered woman, a brown haired male protagonist who's as sterile as he can be, and a black person in some position of authority int he context of the game so they don't whine about it. Point is, with all the politicking going on, I'm surprised there's even a game at the end of the day. With an indie studio (at least it was to start with) they can just make the game instead of worrying about offended special people, or deciding what content to rip out as the preorder DLC. I'd actually say that that's in their favor. Other than that yeah. My first red flag was that Sony bought it, and that is almost a sure fired way of telling it's going to be garbage.
Keego Bricks Well, Sony actually didn't bought it, but had some sort of timed exclusivity deal and just took care of the marketing. But yeah, the "PC" bullshit gets in the way of the games sometimes, it would be better if they wouldn't try to make games for people who don't actually buy them.
PoweredByFlow Well said. My mistake, I had thought Sony bought or something. Someone said that to me I didn't bother researching it because I saw they had some dealing with sony and I wasn't interested in the game to begin with. My first real introduction to the game was PS4 fanboys blathering on about how it's going to be _another_ awesome PS4 exclusive. Yeah, that's no joke. Everyone always says "oh the Xbone fanboys" are just as bad, and I've never seen that at all. Basically whenever I see someone spouting off about how great their stupid machine is it's from PS2, PS3, and PS4 people. At any rate, this is another flop for the "PS4" library everyone was touting _had so many_. Personally I'm not delighted this game flopped because I hate the developer or anything like that. I'm just glad it did, because I really hope this starts to temper people's expectations. There's no reason this game should have gotten the hype it did.
Keego Bricks I agree, maybe people wake up after this and don't believe everything any developer spits out. The indies are not much better than AAA publishers, sometimes they are even worse.
The idea of having a first person exploration and resource gather element added to something like "Eve Online" which has massive online politics and is all about resources and cultivating a large range of space ships, that would have been an evolution of an existing property to capture a new segment of the market that they have not previously grabbed onto.
This game feels like a parody of open world games just by how barren it is. They made all the assets for a game but they forgot to make an actual video game. Imagine if games like Oblivion or New Vegas had no quests, no hostile enemies and only 1 or 2 npcs with few bits of dialogue and the only objective of the game was the crafting. Sounds fucking awful right? Well that's No Man's Sky. Anyone who is old enough to remember Spore knew this game would be bad from the second they started talking about it in previews
exactly, i didn't buy it because the spore taught me exactly what was in the center of the galaxy and what it takes to get there, and just how deep the galaxy could be... this has SPORE written all over it, YET i think spore actully delivered more of a game. YOU fashioned the ameba, YOU chose how to evolve, YOU determined the social structure of your race.... then you went to the stars and never saw them ever again. only to have a tiny man in a traditional UFO laugh at you for wasting your life playing a video game.
Spore was fucking fun compared to this nothingness. It simulated space, but not what space contains. They made a universe full of what most of the real universe is full of. A whole bunch of nothing and dark matter.
we should be thankful to be alive in the era of Rich Evans
May it last 500 years
This is chiefly what I'm celebrating this Thanksgiving.
Born too late to explore the planet.
Born too early to explore space.
Born just in time to hear the glorious laughter of Rich Evans.
RIP
Who?
It's actually kind of amazing how Jack's frame looks all colorful and cheerful, while everytime the camera cuts to Rich you enter a sad and desaturated world.
LoL. This made my day :D
I think you meant to say "exotic and tantalising"
thats just what happens any time he enters a room
that’s deep
It’s his animal magnetism it distorts reality
Every Man's Refund
Rich, is that you?
I think that was Jay...
+soulcreampoopcontrol *Susan
I am too lazy to ask for a refund. 60$ isnt the end of the world for me... So in this regards, I know I am part of the problem. LoL
Every Man's Pinata!
Its 2020. No mans sky has won awards for its improvements. Still, this review holds up. I played for a week and got bored.
Haha well at the time they were 100% spot on
But now we've seen the amazing Internet Historian video on it and the monumental effort and pressure the developers went through to fully realize the game for free post launch, and actually deliver on everything they promised and more, i respect the hell out of them for that, adding 500% more game
But yeah, even with base building, co op etc it's still not the most exciting game haha, but at least isnt just refill fly refill loop
This is such a weird game, what was the point?
@@IamSonyanddumb i played a lot of nms, its just like, you go to different planets and mine stuff, or fight in space, or do missions, idk i imagine its like minecraft. theres some cool stuff in it but its pretty boring most of the time
Here's why I consider the shit they pulled lies. They specifically created bullshit 'vertical slices' to show the game doing things you ultimately can't do in the final game. They used footage from these bullshit demos to promote the game and never corrected the misinformation. They're still using footage from those BS "early versions" on the Steam page to sell the game...they aren't representing the game accurately at all. They hid behind their faux-secrecy in order to perpetuate the lies, up to near release when some got the game early, and the devs told people to ignore that footage because it was missing a day one patch. A day one patch which did NOTHING to flesh out their empty shell of a game.
They pulled the same shit that Randy Pitchford did with Aliens: Colonial Marines, and Peter Molyneux has done for the past 15 years, and people have no problem saying that those guys are liars (because they are). Sean Murray being kind of personable and the studio being indie (though with Sony backing) doesn't mean they should be let off with this kind of flim-flam bullshit.
It gets even better when you go further down this rabbit hole. The dev explicitly stated the game would have all these cool different features. Features the final game lacks. (different ships would have different handling and capabilities; you could name ships the same way you could name animals/etc; a diverse faction system; the planets would orbit around the sun creating a real day/night cycle; the list goes on; you can even find one such list on the internet)
You'd think this kind of thing would be illegal.
Thanks, Obama!
And don't forget that they said they wouldn't make DLCs in the future because they said they believed that paying 60$ was already enough, and then a week after that they did a 180 and they said they'd consider making DLCs after all.
Fucking bravo! I absolutely agree.
How about a desert planet? Or an ice planet? Or an ocean planet? Or a jungle planet where it's always raining? Or a volcano planet? Or a planet that's all tunnels full of giant ant-like creatures?
It's just funny people compared cyberpunk to this
I was like... This game had NOTHING in it hahaha
Walk on planet, get fuel, fly to new planet. Rinse. Repeat.
Cyberpunk is still a fully fleshed out game with a story, gameplay, characters..solid side quests.. a few bugs doesn't remotely make it similar to this hollow dumpster fire.
(The fact they've turned it into an actual game since then is irrelevant haha, but definitely worth aknowledging they actually added multiplayer, building etc
I mean Alien Isolation is just open doors the game, super empty and hollow, boring game but at the very least it had the xenomorph and a story
Odin Satanas it’s fine now cyberpunk is still bad
relax when you get 100 hours in the action start!
@@KaladinVegapunk mmm copium.
9:45
Yeah they made a fake demo and said it was randomized, said there was multiplayer then covered it up with a sticker, and told us there was shit in the game that isn't there.
NOT.
MALICIOUS.
AT ALL.
Jack, come the fuck on, if they wanted this stuff in the game, all they had to do was delay it, if they were running out of money and couldn't afford to, they could come out with a press release detailing what had to be cut and if it will ever show up in the future.
Not fucking difficult, he didn't say shit because he wanted your money and he got it.
They already delayed it. Still, they went in over their heads.
I have to disagree with Jack on this one; Hello Games absolutely lied about what No Man's Sky was. It's clear by the exhaustive list compiled by redditors of the features that were promised but not delivered, complete with clips from interviews, articles and even Hello's own blog posts proving they promised them. They only started back-tracking in the last few months, but even then it went from "these features will be in the game" to some coy non-answer about the feature that you can't really draw any solid conclusion on.
When is Jack ever right about anything?
Stardew Valley being boring as dog shit.
***** Someone didn't get the nude mod.
Troy Thormond
Oh no, they exist. Suffice to say, that's not going to save the game. Only farmable drugs will pique my interest. I want my cocaine plot.
***** Yeah... And would marijuana be too much to ask for? You're right. This game needs something.
2:22 "Weight: 5.08m", "Height: 241.32kg"
Good catch.
on PC I've had Gender : Vector amongst other things.
Bungis Albondigas
Yeah, I think I saw "prime" as a gender in another video.
Hey I'm a vectorkin myself. Stop with the snowflakephobia
It says "no man" right in the title. The entire game is a "safe space", that's why it is so boring.
"A lie to me, means malicious intent". That's not what that word means. Sean Murray lied, straight up, multiple times on multiple claims. You can argue what kind of lie and the intent behind it, doesn't matter, still a lie, by definition. He misled people.
No. There is a difference between a lie and something that didn't make it into the game.
The Biv When has Sean Murray or anyone else said they had to cut content?
toughen up buttercup
LOL please! the graphic is shit! why the fk did ppl preorder this game is beyond me.
Steve L not always about graphics.
I want a video showing Rich Evans making the 8bit art that's used on the set; I love them!
Mega agree
God, I miss you guys
No Man's Sky was so bad, it procedurally generated Naboo.
haha well at least now theyve added 99% of everything they said it needed, base building, multiplayer, factions, space combat, third person, character customization etc
still not really interested but at least the developers didnt give up, and its not just find resources/fly/find/fly blah blah
this game really needed mod support to save it haha
@@KaladinVegapunk were the the additions implemented by the devs or were they mods? Cause i would hope the devs would actually complete their work
@@xdan9xx oh it was the developers, free updates adding all that stuff, and now that it's cheaper it doesn't seem like a ripoff
I was just saying mods make such a massive difference
Ever since Morrowind and fallout 3, I always have 200 mods on ever elder scrolls and fallout game and it vastly improves the experience, never play vanilla
I was never into Minecraft, it's just chickens and shitty blocks, but the technic/ftb modpacks adding machines, nuclear reactors, airships, wiring, countless new tools blocks, space stations, mars bases, that's the real game to me haha, vanilla is so dull
But yeah I definitely respect the developers for actually following through on their promises, they added all that stuff
I tried it at a buddies house for a little bit, the vehicles and base building is kind of cool, but the planets are still super dull and repetitive, there's no buildings dungeons or anything to find, no story
@@KaladinVegapunk it's still boring
When you reach the center of the galaxy you become Rich Evans, like the star baby in 2001.
3:36 I'm reminded of Yahtzee's comment that there may be more ways of shuffling a deck of cards then there are atoms in the universe, but that doesn't mean solitaire won't get boring after the 3 billionth game
Some other things this game lacked:
-Different Types of stars
-Gas Giants
-Lava Planets
-Desert Planets
-Ocean Planets
-Neutron Stars
-Actual Black Holes
-Gamma Ray Bursts
-Planets without atmospheres (mercury)
-Planets with extreme atmospheres (Venus)
-Base Building
-Different Ship Types
-Intelligent AI
-NPC's
-A fucking Story
-Fucking Multiplayer
-All the other things they lied about
Hai from 2022. Well, the term to "pull a No Man's Sky" is now a thing: to knuckle down and turn a seemingly hopeless game back to its original vision, and then some.
Cyberpunk 2077 was a frequently cited as being the last disaster that would have benefited from such stewardship, but alas, the CD Get wrecked just couldn't be arsed.
Fuck that!
The game is still pointless empty shit.
And anyone who supports those lying motherfuckers are helping to ruin the gaming industry.
Nice mic, Jack. You can barely see it.
It's like those big green tapes are stylistically design to be on the shirt!
Rarely? Don't you mean 'barely'?
The green tape is proof that Jack loved Suicide Squad.
Well people keep saying they want to see Mike on Pre Rec so....
"rarely"
Something I think all gamers desperately need to learn: *Scale does not equal quality*.
For too long now gamers make the assumption that a bigger game is automatically better. Terms like "open world" or "non-linear" are seen as unequivocal words of praise. A game that is 60 hours long with 50 levels is seen as automatically better than a game that is 20 hours long with 12 levels. If a game has a open world that is a million miles wide with dozens of side-quests, gamers think therefore it has to be better than a game with a linear plot and no side-quests. And a game like No Man's Sky seems like the end result of this mindset. Here's a game as big as a universe, so gamers assume as a direct result it must be the best game ever.
But that's all bullshit. How "big" a game is _doesn't matter!_ What matters is how *FUN* the game is. To paraphrase Angry Joe, a game as huge as an ocean is worthless if it's only as deep as a puddle.
Look, Pong is a game that consists of three pixels. But if I'm having more fun with those three pixels than a huge open world, I'll bloody play pong then. You can shove your open world right up your arse.
exactly
LittleJimmy835 eggchucklee
This is just an Elite game with planetside exploration (which in turn was already done by games like Noctis).
Every significant principle that this game boasts has been done decades ago
Except in Elite games there's stuff to do.
I mean, we are talking about a franchise that started in the early 80s here.
At this point my whole experience boils down to watching my girlfriend play, and thinking of all the problems, and waiting for her to see them too.
Last night she'd been playing for like 4 hours. She finds a house, talks to the guy, gets a blueprint for
LIFE SUPPORT!!
She looks at the blueprint. It says she doesnt have it yet. I see the gears turning. She accepts, goes to her inventory, and looks at her LIFE SUPPORT.
She turns to me and says "is that the basic life support we got 20 hours ago?"
I go "yea."
She goes "i think im done playing."
I sigh in relief. Today Subnautica got an update.
I sexually identity as a "Rich Evans".
That's it
Did you mean 'identify'..?
Do you need a special bathroom for "Rich Evans" ?
+B2Roland I think he meant "identitty".
Ever since I was a child I wanted that juicy shaq meat.
+Cosmic Mage juicy Shaq meat!
Its no Mount and Blade, thats for sure. There's no goal's in M&B, you make up your own story in that game. But holy fuck taking your own castle and building it up feels wonderful.
Fluffy Gutts exactly i agree. M&B is one of my favorite games. We need Mount and blade in Space
I'd love to see them do a mount and blade review
I was in a game project around the same time as No Mans Sky came out, similar idea: infinite persistent universe. The problems in NMS are the same that we were faced with just in the preliminary research phase... Variety is one of them, you can create too much and 99% of the worlds are unplayable, or you can make 99% of them playable and make it look bland. No one cares if one planet has violet ground and the other has red. No one really cares if we make the planet grow from periodic elements and have planetary evolution take care of forming it cause it is going to look like all the others, just with different composition of things... and this is before life is added. And i know that our system would've been also revolutionary, we were looking at some heavy math (not me... ) and using novel ways to procedurally generate it, it felt at times like decoding the actual universe. But... it was never ever going to be a game. It would've made a kickass screensaver.
No Man's Sky = Every Man's Disappointment 😭🔫
Like my son? Or the Prequels?
One Man's Lie (Sean Murray)
One Trans's Guy
Nah i liked it. Spent 60h on it and probably will spend more 40h give or take. I agree it is missing a lot of features it was promising, but the game is still fun and they are implementing new things in the patches so those features may be placed.
I think people were miss informed or tricked themselves the game was another thing. Even without the things that are missing the game would not be what people chose to believe.
They said next patch base building will be implemented so it may be more fun. But even if the game becomes great in the future i think even refund people will be too butt hurt to play again. Oh well.
Cthulhu People were misinformed because they were deliberately lied to, and when Murray and Co. were given chances to set the record straight and come out and explicitly answer questions, they either embellished things or were vague. What are people to do but try and fill in the gaps?
I do think they can still turn the game into something good, like Minecraft. But they have to stay persistent and communicate with the community in order to do that. It's not like NMS has no hope
The best thing to compare this to is the 1,000 different nearly identical crafting games ALL OVER STEAM. These games have come out every week for YEARS. The only thing this added is a ship to fly around. That's literally it. For 60$.
I think you guys highly underestimate the tastes of potheads - we like well made games too.
Can confirm, I've tried NMS while highly inebriated off the THC and it's still boring.
What an idiotic observation of him.
Apparently, we lack taste and critical thinking because we use cannabis.
Who said anything about lacking taste and critical thinking? Jack was referring to the cosmetics in the game. If you are high, all those colors and shapes will look really cool and therefore keep you playing the game because of how strange everything will look.
It says nothing about your intelligence level.
***** That is assuming that people smoke weed to be entertained by colors and shapes. Which, if you smoked weed, I doubt you would say something like that. It is pretty clear he doesn't smoke weed, but that is okay, no one is saying anything negative about Jack or Rich, I love these guys and redlettermedia. However, everyone I know who smokes weed are creative types who either write, paint, draw, or engage in philosophical conversation. So its not so much that weed smokers are dummies, but its more that there are some dummies that smoke weed.
Cupavi Kurcic He probably doesn't smoke weed. However, that is okay, I love Jack and Rich and if they don't that is fine. It isn't so much that people who smoke weed are easily amused, it is that there are people who are easily amused who may smoke weed. In which, I would say, they wouldn't need weed to enjoy pretty pictures - they are just easily amused mouth breathers.
I fucking love RedLetterMedia! How did I not know about this channel?! FUUUUUCK! Subscribed...
To add an example to Rich's explanation of story to gameplay ratio at 19:24; Uncharted. This is coming from someone who used to absolutely be obsessed with Uncharted.
Gonna need a link to Jack's shirt.
Badly.
teespring.com/shop/voyagergrad?aid=marketplace&tsmac=marketplace&tsmic=search#pid=6&cid=2439&sid=front
I want the same, but for Rich
Thanks a ton! Love me some Voyager.
I love this shirt. Eff your spreadsheet jack. You should wear this in all the videos, all the time.
+Previously Recorded No, can we buy the actual shirt Jack is wearing? And not washed.
You guys totally forgot that the first announcement/footage was actually at VGX 2013.
The scandal surrounding this videogame is more fun and rewarding than the actual videogame.
I warped into a new system and was in the middle of a random space battle. It looked like the E3 footage, maybe on a slightly smaller scale, but there were still a lot of attackers and freighter looking ships. It happened once in hours and hours of gameplay, but it was in there, somewhere.
Improving your standing in conversations gives you more options... In conversations... So that you can build your standing... For more options... In more conversations...
you guys rock. been too long since your last vid.
you red letter guys are truly making the only on going show (tv etc included) that we look forward too. please keep going dudes!
A pity this show ended. I'd love for them to revisit the game after all the changes they made.
"Every planet is a different shade of rocks." LOL
Anybody here remember Spore? I remember watching some of the first game-play back on Google video and I was so excited by its potential, and then at release it was stripped to the bone.
My main gripe is you have to repair your ship from the start and you run out of hyper fuel. If those aspects alone weren't a factor I may have loved it. It just got too tedious when all you're wanting to do is fly from Planet to Planet but you have to grind just to get to the next stop.
I need to stop getting my hopes up for games.
I stopped doing that after Mass Effect 3 and i'm always skeptical about every game that looks interesting befor release since. It actually helps to enjoy games better because my expectations are never that high.
+PoweredByFlow You're Goddamn right! I'll never pre-order anything or even trust a game will be good until plenty of reviews and time passes. Mass Effect 3 broke my fan boy spirit.
Becoming more resilient to marketing and hype is a god skill in general. You'd probably be really sad if you counted up the money you spent on things because someone else told you it was or would be awesome. I was completely ready to ignore Diablo 3 until my asshole friends made me watch every lying, bullshit trailer.
"Zen garden in space" is such a perfect description
I Just discovered previously recorded... Damn you redlettermedia for removing yet another month of my life catching up on more schlock entertainment. Why Rich Evans, WHY?
When I clicked on this random video I certainly didn't expect to see Rich Evans.
I was so disappointed.
10:45 Rich’s point makes me think about Starfield. The game does all of those things he mentioned which are on top of an RPG.
It’s interesting how public perception eventually changed on NMS as well as Fallout 76 and Cyberpunk, all of whose launches were utterly disastrous. I imagine Starfield will grow on people in time too, especially since it had the benefit of launching in a much better technical state than those three games.
Yeah and Starfield isn't even really bad. I think sadly AAA games now need to be 11/10 games with no flaws or else they get utterly destroyed online.
No Man's Sky is the ultimate Nihilism simulator. Even in the fantasy and wonder of SPACE, everything will be pretty much the same as here.
Deep in the Amazonian rain forest there are tribes as yet untouched by modern man who have created more convincing space exploration games than no man's sky.
JACK and RICH !!!! Great team , thanks for your offers to make such great show's
5:51
"Then I realize the best game to compare [NMS] to is actually Star-"
-bound?
"-dew Valley."
:C
lol had the same moment.
having 12 artists and 1 mediocre programmer that asked Stack Overflow and Reddit to help write their code is nothing wrong
Imagine if Game of Thrones was billed as, "The largest fantasy world in television history, millions of characters with complex relationships, two continents over thousands of years, join us for the unforgettable saga of a legendary world at war!"
And then season 1 was ten hours of walking from King's Landing to Winterfell, without talking or fighting.
I'd LOVE to see another/2nd review of No Man's Sky to see what you guy's think of it now, because apparently it's supposed to be Amazing after tons of new stuff they added.
It's not, its the same shit, just more shit.
It has the same boring bones of just pointless exploration on repeat
@@chillhour6155 Awwwww. I was hopin it'd be a lot better from what ive heard.
Took me 12 minutes to notice the microphone stuck to his shirt with neon-green tape.
I think I know why they made the "ending" the way they did.
They said they took a lot of inspiration from the game Journey, which was a short "art experience" for the PS3, which had an extremely similar ending relating to the concept of the journey (hence the title) being more important than the destination. It wasn't amazing in that game either, but the difference was that a.) the game was only two hours long and b.) the experience could actually mean something given that you'd randomly find other players along the journey.
No Man's Sky is touted to be thirty hours and is a game about collecting shit and has no multiplayer components apart from renaming things. In other words, that ending is unfitting to what the game is trying to be. When you have a game about literally building your way up to something, I don't know who thought it'd be a good idea to make the final goal basically meaningless.
I'm pretty sure part of the 'knee-high' effect comes from the way the alien foliage is assembled. It is made of familiar shapes appearing in unnatural sizes, making it hard to put things into a proper perspective. When you are standing next to a giant flower, you can't really tell if the flower is big, or if your character is short.
No malicious intent? Jack is a horrible judge of character
I think it's unfair to suggest that Sean Murray set out to lie to us. I think he was overwhelmed by the attention the game was getting from gamers and Sony, and was forced into a corner where he had to exaggerate and make vague in order to keep his head above water.
Jack is a horrible judge of just about everything.
Okay, but they set out to get your money.
Mads Stays Noided Nice theory, but the fact is they are still using the bullshit gameplay videos to sell the game on steam for example. These are unscrupulous people.
+SuperFinGuy I don't have a PC so I wouldn't know
No Man's Sky the biggest gaming swindle since Watchdogs.
The first time I saw No Man's Sky debut at e3, I thought it was a beautiful idea. The second time I saw it, they added nothing and I realized right away it was Spore 2. I can't believe I was wrong... it's actually much worse than Spore. Glad I waited for reviews to buy this.
These guys are so cute and smart. They list the various lies that the developers made about the game, but then state we don't think it was a lie, to save themselves from libel. It is like in Julius Caesar, when Marc Anthony states I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him, so I won't talk about all the money he gave you, all the circuses he provided to you, the glory he brought to Rome, etc
Watching this 4 years after the review, having just played about 20 hours of this game for the first time (post the massive quantities of updates) is truly fascinating. I'd love to see them come back to it briefly just to see if the further developments in this game were what the boys were originally hoping to see after those misleading E3 demos.
I still feel like their review is accurate. The game bored me after 5ish hours
"Oh my god Rich, that's it! You nailed it!"
* Smuggest smug face that ever smugged. *
The first few hours were actually really good, though. I actually really liked learning a language. I misinterpreted a guy at a trading station and got married to a Predator.
I wish the game actually followed through.
Best description about the game Jack
Lies don't need to be malicious to be lies, they just need to be not true.
I think what Not-Rich Evans was trying to say is that there's a difference between LYING about something, and just... being wrong about it.
but nah them bitches was lyin tho
The Art house project analogy sums this game up perfectly.
pothead here, I'll spend 60$ on weed and explore real life.
Awesome video tho!
Pokemon Go?
pokemon go is gay
Pokemon Go is a product that was unfortunately successful.
Sehnsucht191 doesn't mean it's real game. it's a social mobile game.
It's a horrible bowl of shit.
You see what could have been cool in an exploration game like this, would have been if you GROW a spaceship, as in you start off on a 1 man-ship, and slowly you build it up with parts and tech from races you meet, you convince people to come with you and form a crew, and eventually, you can end up with the Enterprise in space, 1000s of people you've collected together, living with their family and all the living spaces and sections you've added.
That would have given a reason to keep going, watching your community of a ship grow into it's own city in space moving from world to world.
The game has improved over time, I think it's still lacking in some function. Multiplayer is added but it needs multiplayer ships and expedition stuff now to get people doing this kinda Star Trek kinda collaborative thing. Give you and your friends some task to accomplish casually over an evening, rather than as it still is them fuck off or dick about bored... More like Death Stranding sorta thing for it's flaws you felt like you were doing something. Like have capital ships need you to crew them and co ordinate to get around. You CAN play solo and can have a capital ship etc, but for it to work fully, it can be done but you feel like Doctor Who. you kinda need another player. It's a ball ache to moniter the systems alone, sprinting from one place to another. no, solo play is a small craft taking on Skyrim style "radient Quests" As Han Solo or whatever, maybe you meet a group of other players and decide to strike up a friendship? Perhaps not. Perhaps you like delving into ruins and selling artifacts. Single player NMS is at the point you CAN do those things Multiplayer? When you go on expeditions each crew member has different jobs. Theres classes. Commander, engineer and scientist. Etc. They're getting there with the nexus collaborative events but having friends crewing a ship and having to work as a team makes it more worthwhile. Meet Elite, EVE and the X games Halfway. limit the scope a bit. Unlike Eve and X you need to be a business guru to get enjoyment, it's still casual, but a kind of mission. A new hand in development has been felt with the latest update making space derelicts and a kinda alien isolation vibe. I can see NMS becoming a brilliant space sandbox, but a sandbox needs spades and buckets. So far it's still sand. I can now build a set of Alien Power loader suit. But why? I can have a freighter and improve my standing with factions. Why? Each task requires a purpose. Scanning now adds " Nanites" a kind of tech currency to spend on better upgrades. Brilliant idea it adds a purpose to scanning rocks and trees and alien tech -It's adding to a pool of "science "you can spend on upgrading your gear. In roleplay terms yourself or your crew or even if you're in a "Guild" for lack of a better term "Scienced" enough they leaned a new technique or advancement in a field. You collect 1500 nanites? Spend that on blueprints on a better mineral scanner. You roleplay you're a mining consortium Keep expanding that I like it. No Man's Sky needs this RPG progression system more. Expand on it outside suit upgrades and make Nanites an "Xp"to chase after. Solo play you get a few Nanites, enough to ponder choosing to improve your helmet or scanner ok. In the broader spend nanites to improve the crew, or the mothership's resilience.
Nms can be a slow burn MMO where people over a week, friends or strangers tell stories of trying to keep thier mothership intact, but ran out of Dark Matter and sheered a few hull plates along the way. This G type Star system has a planet preliminary scans from an early game unupgraded mothership has some resources to help, so you and your mates decide to jump on your landing craft and do some exploring. On the way you discover this system has a solo player in it. Now you can try to be a troll, but why? You're stuck here anyway. They respawn minecraft style at thier base and after slapping around a few times get bored. You CAN be hostile if you want for roleplay especially if they get into it too fighting off the invaders, the aggressor stands to lose more resources from thier mothership as a respawn point than a solo guy on the ground. Attack a pod on the side of the ship and 10k Oxygen just vapourised. It'd be fun to show up as a crew and attack the locals, it's also fun for the victim, knowing they have home field advantage. It's be fun to play war, but it's not EVE online. So it's not too wild west. Most times it's just another group of pals doing thier thing or a solo player building stuff with thier kid, but you ask them uhh hi, need hull plates and hyperdrive fuel. They can offer directions, try to sell you the resources, heck tag along. Help the expedition, maybe want to join the crew making new friends THAT's what I can see NMS becoming. People travelling around, or staying put and building settlements and meeting new people. Nerding out. Trying to keep thier motherships intact. Adding crew members who aren't NPCs but real people. A Dad and Daughter in the evening play a chill game together are playing an engineer who like to build stuff together, making stuff. They meet a group of 5 players on a Capital ship who fly into thier system and ask for Dark matter . Dad and Daughter log in and can fly off and do thier thing, but when the whole crew is together, they are looking for parts to keep the ship going "Daddy, Daddy the Captain is on the planet, we can make him a power thing.They need. I think it'd be cool if we went and helped " that sorta thing. It's like the ultimate Star Trek videogame. It just needs some gameplay loop and payoff. As mentioned the Nexus is a good start, but now needs multiplayer risk
eward. Nexus missions aren't like solo missions. They require a multi crewed ship juggling resources to get there and trolling is less likely when that goal needs each player. It might need a stranger's help and the "quest " unlike other games doesn't have a time restraint. Meaning each person can log in and contribute in thier own time or if they're together can co ordinate. It has big rewards like a lottery win, but needs a lot of work and stories made along the way
Right.
Just say that one more time
That's a big walk of texts, but yeah the game need satisfying progression and player urgency, at it's core it's still boring with pointless busy work where you have to pretend to have purpose
The ending seems to transport you to another galaxy. On the one hand that's amazing but on the other... there's probably not much else to do in it either.
No Man's Sky? More like No Man's Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidddddddddddds
Jack's tape mic is out of this world!
update 2020?
This game makes collecting Pet Rocks more of a fun hobby by comparison.
From what I've gathered, even after the years of updates and patches No Man's Sky is still an average limited exploration simulator. Just cashgrabby mess of a game. Non-AAA developers can be shiesty too.
Considering they haven't charged a penny for the numerous updates I'd hardly call them "cash grabby." This isn't one of the loot crate or mobile app games.
That's like the ending to that Jurassic Park game from the Super Nintendo: Ending scene is just the intro scene in reverse, but with a helicopter sound playing. All that you had to go through, for that...."ending."
As a person studying Physics, those really huge celestial bodies really close together while remaining completely stationary are grinding my gears.
The game almost inexplicably reminds me of a space genre commodore 64 game. Something about the intentional retro sci fi aesthetic, coupled with the unintentionally obvious and frequent re use of object assets, to the overall sense of directionless and simplistic almost arcade like disposition about everything.
I would love to see them revisit it in its current state
Ironically (or not) won a game awards....
Honestly, the game is a great idea but don't confuse that with ambitious. The technology isn't there. In real life NASA is discovering planets made completely of diamonds, planets with 2 feet of habitable space and the rest of the planet on one hemisphere is ice and the other is lava. Even the planet in interstellar that had 2 feet of water covering the entire planet would be a cool idea. If you could explore those planets and there was real danger of death and you could cure disease, hunger, stop war and learn new things about alien species to help you toward some goal then it would great.
Jack and Rich. Rich and Jack. They are the best. :)
Watch Angry Joe's review. He lists numerous blatant lies.
Reddit has a whole page dedicated to the lies - it's disturbingly well documented with sources and citations to whichever lie Sean comes up with
Speaking of cunts, I just watched _Bronson_ on Netflix. You've never heard the word "cunt" used so many times in one movie.
Seriously. I don't know how so many people willingly tolerate a grown man who screams like a petulant child over video games he didn't make or fund.
Yep, too many TH-camrs are like this, it's embarrassing to watch
And Crowbcat
''...you gotta go down there and convince them to sign the treaty with us'' is *exactly* what Lucas would write :D
I had been looking forward to this game for years. I stayed as far away from interviews, and all that hype and tryed to keep my expectations low, which I think I succeeded. All I wanted was a space travel game with some good material collecting/crafting system. I didn't care about a story or really a goal or anything, I just wanted to wander around and craft shit.
Even with my low expectations and realistic hype levels I was let down.
The crafting is like, non existent and all you do is just refill meters that arbitrarily go down.
Thanks Hello Games.
$10, no fuel, no inventory, find a ship, it's yours. That'd be a great little game.
It's 2023, and the No Man's Sky developers have been working hard to realize - without demanding additional purchases - the incredible vision that they had. Pirates, space battles, smuggling, dozens of varieties of worlds and hundreds of creatures. And guess what? It still boils down to the same repetitive cycles. An infinitely wide wading pool whose most crippling feature is that in a universe of infinite randomly-generated variables none of it really means... anything. There is no fixed point to drive your story forward, just a series of radiant quests that serve to pad out finding the resources to get the blueprint to craft a slightly better thing ad nauseum. If you weren't forced to travel as part of the storyline, you'd easily be able to accomplish everything you need to do within the confines of a single star system, and honestly, if that single star system were more fully realized, it would make for a much more compelling game. Once you realize that instead of complex ecosystems and fleshed-out characters and planets, it's just a dice roll with no real rhyme or reason behind it, the luster is gone. And those damn popup notices are still there. I have over a hundred hours put into you, NMS. I understand how to use my booster rockets.
Of course, by the time you realize it, you'll probably have dropped a bunch of hours into the game and gotten your money out of it. It's pretty cool to first experience leaving a planet, re-entering the atmosphere, finding strange creatures and naming them, building a base, finding rare ships and upgrading them, participating in space battles, and assembling a fleet with personal escort fighters. It's neat learning new languages and having dialogue choices go from unintelligible garble to allowing you to use your knowledge as you trade and help aliens, to tame alien creatures and genetically modify their young. It's pretty rad finding a mechanical planet, or a planet populated by bubble creatures, or finding sentient robots that eat batteries instead of food pellets. But, and I hate to say it, it's only neat the first couple of times. I've been on so many ice worlds with six-legged reptiles that have udders on their tail that they all just blur together.
I keep coming back to NMS every year when they make a major update, and after my second planet of melting rocks, I just turn it off again. Do you ever advance enough that you don’t have to melt rocks anymore?
@@pawned79 Sadly, due to how the economy works, you're always going to have to melt specific kinds of rocks. You can get automated mining machines that melt rocks for you, but they demand fuel and have such a low capacity that you need to micromanage them while you're supposed to be discovering the wonders of the universe. Just talking about it makes me feel tired.
@@garretteverett2613 when I played it briefly a few months ago, they had added this multiplayer hub area and it looked like there was a group quest NPC. What is that gameplay like?
@@pawned79 No idea. I didn't enter an infinite universe of galactic exploration so I could interact with real-world people, you know? Multiplayer quests give you special currency for buying unique outfits and gear, and events add unique items and small variants on the way to play, although usually making you start a new character. None of it really has a bearing on how I like to play so I ignore that.
The few folks I have talked to in the hub area seem pretty chill and often generous with stuff they've farmed, and if there's any MMORPG-type community I'd consider joining, it'd be this one. Not a lot of conflict or smack talk in the chat, which is nice. Everyone's there to work together and lift each other up for the most part, from what I can gather, and are just stoked that a game this old is still receiving regular updates and support.
@@pawned79 This definitely is one of those games like WoW though where people get Stockholm Syndrome and say things like "It's awesome, you should join, things get really good once you've put hundreds of hours in and are max level and have a bunch of good stuff." I recommend it if you really like grinding and resource management, or if you really like getting stoned and wandering around looking at neat stuff. Anywhere between those two poles is mediocre.
I love the vapid and vacant looking colours in this episode behind Richard.
"I don't think they lied." Wtf?
Jack's absolutely on point - if this game was a $20 indy Steam game it would've been fine. And Rich is right about NMS being something you could tack on to another game (Star Trek Online, I'm looking at you) to prop it up.
Space Engineers is superior in every way except marketing.
And thats really fuckin sad.
At 11:13 Rich is looking for the phrase "All fluff, no muff."
You're welcome, Rich.
This game desperately needs a follow up review.
I don't even play video games, and I still watch these guys!
I smoke pot regularly, and I was personally offended by this game. Variation of scenery is not a replacement for gameplay, story, or visual artistry.
A note when it comes to stuff like stamina upgrades build them next to each other so they enhance each other.
2022 update: No Man's Sky is amazing now
Jack and Rich, the gruesome twosome of RedLetterMedia.
I fucking hate how Jack always tries to put his own personal definitions on things. "A lie to me involves malicious intent" Okay that's nice, too bad that's not what the definition of a lie is, doesn't matter what your arbitrary definition is.
I don't know how you have gotten to a point in life where you have the ability to type a comment on TH-cam but don't know the definition of a three letter word, nor do I know how you failed to just look up the definition when you didn't know the definition, but somehow it seems that both of those possibilities came together to form one comment, because to literally everyone on the planet who knows the definition, the definition *requires intent*.
Here, I'll list a bunch of definitions for "lie."
Google: an *intentionally* false statement.
Merriam-Webster: to make an untrue statement *with intent to deceive*
Dictionary.com: to speak falsely or utter untruth *knowingly, as with intent to deceive*
OED: [to tell] an *intentionally* false statement.
So actually I guess that means that Jack hit the definition out of the park, and for you, well, okay that's nice, too bad that's not what the definition of a lie is, doesn't matter what your arbitrary definition is.
If you don't know what you're talking about at all, please don't be a belligerent asshole about it, at least.
Verne Behrends Dude I have no idea what is up with these dumbass comments about lying. This guy even tries to bring up the definition of the word - which he clearly has never bothered to look up. Even before I saw your comment I went looking for a definition that doesn't contain some form of intent. There isn't one. For a statement to be a lie there literally must be intent.
I don't even like this show or these guys as game guys and I sure as hell don't like what happened with NMS but damn the morons are really popping out of the woodwork on this one.
I'm not kidding at all, I warped into a new solar system to find a literal fleet of pirate fighters flying about sacking some of the freighters. The game can have moments. Once in a blue moon.
Am i the only one around here who heard what they said and immediately dismissed it as nonsense? I didn't get even the least bit hyped for this game, partially because the premise is awful and boring, but I didn't believe them for a second that there'd be all these unique worlds that are totally different and a nearly infinite universe to explore of strange new flora and Fauna. I looked at it for 2 seconds and saw Spore again.
I can't be the only one who wasn't fooled, can I?
See, this would have been a great system to implement in maybe a star trek game, with a through narrative along side the actual exploration.
I didn't believe it too from the very beginning, especially for the fact that they never cleared what you're actually do in the game and that was a HUGE redflag for me. Also how is a team of 12 people or so supposed to make a massive universe with rich content when even AAA studios with a staff count of 500 people struggle to do that?
PoweredByFlow well to be fair, that triple A team has to be worried about things like having a strong empowered woman, a brown haired male protagonist who's as sterile as he can be, and a black person in some position of authority int he context of the game so they don't whine about it.
Point is, with all the politicking going on, I'm surprised there's even a game at the end of the day. With an indie studio (at least it was to start with) they can just make the game instead of worrying about offended special people, or deciding what content to rip out as the preorder DLC. I'd actually say that that's in their favor.
Other than that yeah. My first red flag was that Sony bought it, and that is almost a sure fired way of telling it's going to be garbage.
Keego Bricks Well, Sony actually didn't bought it, but had some sort of timed exclusivity deal and just took care of the marketing. But yeah, the "PC" bullshit gets in the way of the games sometimes, it would be better if they wouldn't try to make games for people who don't actually buy them.
PoweredByFlow Well said.
My mistake, I had thought Sony bought or something. Someone said that to me I didn't bother researching it because I saw they had some dealing with sony and I wasn't interested in the game to begin with.
My first real introduction to the game was PS4 fanboys blathering on about how it's going to be _another_ awesome PS4 exclusive. Yeah, that's no joke.
Everyone always says "oh the Xbone fanboys" are just as bad, and I've never seen that at all. Basically whenever I see someone spouting off about how great their stupid machine is it's from PS2, PS3, and PS4 people.
At any rate, this is another flop for the "PS4" library everyone was touting _had so many_.
Personally I'm not delighted this game flopped because I hate the developer or anything like that. I'm just glad it did, because I really hope this starts to temper people's expectations. There's no reason this game should have gotten the hype it did.
Keego Bricks I agree, maybe people wake up after this and don't believe everything any developer spits out. The indies are not much better than AAA publishers, sometimes they are even worse.
The idea of having a first person exploration and resource gather element added to something like "Eve Online" which has massive online politics and is all about resources and cultivating a large range of space ships, that would have been an evolution of an existing property to capture a new segment of the market that they have not previously grabbed onto.
This game feels like a parody of open world games just by how barren it is.
They made all the assets for a game but they forgot to make an actual video game. Imagine if games like Oblivion or New Vegas had no quests, no hostile enemies and only 1 or 2 npcs with few bits of dialogue and the only objective of the game was the crafting.
Sounds fucking awful right? Well that's No Man's Sky. Anyone who is old enough to remember Spore knew this game would be bad from the second they started talking about it in previews
exactly, i didn't buy it because the spore taught me exactly what was in the center of the galaxy and what it takes to get there, and just how deep the galaxy could be...
this has SPORE written all over it, YET i think spore actully delivered more of a game. YOU fashioned the ameba, YOU chose how to evolve, YOU determined the social structure of your race.... then you went to the stars and never saw them ever again. only to have a tiny man in a traditional UFO laugh at you for wasting your life playing a video game.
Spore was fucking fun compared to this nothingness. It simulated space, but not what space contains. They made a universe full of what most of the real universe is full of. A whole bunch of nothing and dark matter.
You forgot to mention that mining reminded you of a trip to the dentist.
I'd like to see a them return to this game for opinions on all of the changes and what not.