Thanks! I realized a while back that people watch me videos expecting a certain perspective. Anybody can say "That's a big cap!" But I end up trying to talk through why the designer may have chosen it 😅
@@RCPhysics And I appreciate the fact that you do that. I am somebody else that likes to over explain things to people. I've been called a mad scientist on multiple occasions. It's just crazy how somebody can slap a name brand on something and everybody expects it to be the best but looking at the specs on certain very popular brands I can make a capacitor with 3× the capacitance for half the price but not going to lie I'd like access to the boards they are making there's on mine are not as tidy but I appreciate the response one day I hope my rc game is close to your level it's just slow going I have a handicap son and medical Bill's really cramp my builds but as long as he is happy that's all that matters I'm going to stop rambling now but up the good work I'll be watching
Appreciate your honest review and time doing this review. Can’t wait to put this in my Kraton 6s ! Been along time since I was up at the store in Chantilly hope everyone doing well up there.
Cryo- Drive is probally somekind of mosfet switching feature were the esc switches were the current is going through different mosfets depending on what mosfet is getting hot and switching back and fourth depending on amp demand and heat build up.
@@RCPhysics That could totally be true and probably right.. I did see during setup you can use automatic or manually set the value up to 12s.. which I thought was odd..
Quick question I replaced an xlx esc that caught fire with the mmx 8s esc. I notice the fan cuts off immediately after turning on. Is that normal? Maybe it cuts on after temps rise?
This is perfectly normal. The new Castle ESCs have a thermostatically controlled fan, so it only turns on when it needs to. This is actually pretty smart because it extends the life of the fan, especially since these ESCs run much cooler than their previous generation ESCs.
I have a question, about the mm8s that I just install with a 1717 motor. The fan kicks on when started then cuts off even though I had only a 4s battery in at the time of my first testing, is the fan temperature controlled?
Yessir. It is a 60k rpm motor, so it should handle 8S. Just be careful not to over-rev the motor by doing full throttle pulls lightly loaded or with the motor out of the car.
I have trouble zooming into my log. Idk if it’s bcs I’m not doing only one speed run and stop, instead I drive for 40 minute so the data appears compressed. When I zoom in it does not zoom in where I am trying to zoom into. Also it doesn’t zoom like I want it to.., I’m trying to “stretch out” the graph so I can see the details but I can’t see the whole picture, I just see lines going up and down, frustrating. When I save the data, opening to the saved data file does not open up like the same graph, instead it’s like a spread sheet. Why is that?
Point 1) The zoom in function on the Castle Link Graph viewer can be a little picky. You have to use the mouse to select the area of the graph you want to zoom in on or you will drill into some really weird areas of the data that won't show you anything useful. It takes a little practice, but you'll figure it out. Point 2) Castle Link saves data files as CSV (Comma Separated Value) files. This is kind of an old-school format that was really common back in the day for exporting un-formatted numerical data. So.... double clicking the file launches a program designed to look at large numeric files, a spreadsheet. To look at the data files in the Castle Link Viewer, you have to open the viewer program first, then open the data lotg using the "File" menu option.
I have that esc with a 1650 kv motor want to run on 6s only in a Mojave exb what gearing would you suggest. Don’t need crazy spied I’d be happy wit 60 just want to keep the motor and esc cool. New to the hobby any input would be fantastic. Thanks for your very informative videos
Ok. This is one of those simple questions that could easily turn into a really long answer. 😅 Your stock motor was 2050kv. Your new motor is 1650kv. So for the same voltage, your motor's RPM will be ~3/4 of the stock motor. (It's actually 80.4% to be exact). That means to your new motor needs a pinion ~4/3 larger to get about the same overall wheel speed. (Again, that's 1.24X larger for exact numbers). Since the stock pinion it 16T, you need to replace it with a 20T to keep stock-like performance. Similarly, to match ARMMA's 20T "speed pinion", you will need a ~25T. I hope this helps.
Thank you very much sir that’s what I was thinking but was not sure if my math was right I’ll be getting a 20t don’t really need to go to fast as it will be off-road 95 percent of the time. If I feel the need for speed I’ll just grab my felony. Appreciate your knowledge sir
here is a link to the tire set I was using in this particular video, but I talked about a couple of alternatives in episodes 149 and 161. I hope that's useful. 😁 th-cam.com/video/4Y-Vde5-dhE/w-d-xo.html
The SW8 is rated for cars up to 11lbsw. The craton fully loaded is a little heavier than that, but you will probably be ok if you are easy on the gearing. The Mamba Monster 2 & MMX are rated up to 15 lbs, so one of them might be a better choice. You can see all the Castle ESCs at this link. home.castlecreations.com/surface
Cool honest review, I'm debating if i should buy a new rtr 2022 XO-1 or build my old version XO-1 roller which is similar your car and i'm just wondering what i should do. But if i built my roller i would use a Castle MMX8s with a new sensored 1717 1,650KV Motor (Not the stock XO-1 motor) also stock tires and body with a Radiolink RC8X or Futaba 4PM radio. What does anyone think about my setup in the roller vs buying a new rtr?
Sorry for the delayed reply. I like the idea of building rollers. I don't think you ever actually save money this way, but you have the freedom to build it exactly like you want. The MMX-8S & Sensored 1717 is a great combo, so you should do pretty well with it. The RTR does give you the stability system, but you you'll end up with a bunch of unused hardware to sell going that route. You could just as easily pick up an inexpensive gyro if you want that capability.
@@RCPhysics Thanks for the info, and i think i might stick to the roller since i already have the base car. I love your channel you and a few others got me into XO-1's.
Just subbed on the detailed info alone. I have the MMX 8s combo and was trying to find out the difference between the xlx esc and mine. I mean I’ve searched forums and TH-cam. Thanks for putting this out there👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
If you need more than 400A on 8S, you should move up to the XLX2. Pushing an ESC beyond its documented capabilities should be reserved for situations where there isn't an option that will handle those power levels. The XLX2 has demonstrated that it can easily handle more than 400A, so I wouldn't risk frying an MMX-8S if you are pulling that much current.
@@RCPhysics ah ok good explanation. one thing i dont understand is that the hobby wing max 5's and 6's are capable of doing excessive of 900 amps, but they are cheaper. however i did realise that the castle escs do stay more cooler than the hobby wing ones even at low current. But what would you reccommened for me? i wanna get a good quality esc that wont just blow up on me if i gear high, but then again i dont wanna break the bank; the castle stuff is expensive, but i want reliability even if it means to spend a little more.
@@haks_123 Castle doesn't publish current draw ratings because most of their competitors publish deceptively high current data. Many competitors quote just the current flowing during a "power pulse", when they should be quoting the average power flow over several power pulses including the "dead-time" in between pulses. It gets pretty technical pretty fast, but Castle ESCs flow more "real-world" current than any other brand, which is why they are more expensive. They are also more efficient... which is how they stay cooler than their competitors even though they are delivering more power. What are you planning on running? the Mamba Monster X 8S is a remarkably capable ESC that's capable of handling enough real-world power for most applications up to 1:6 scale.
@@RCPhysics oh ok makes sense, and i was thinking mmx8s + arma limitless (34t pinion + 34t spool, so 1:1 gearing), im assuming it would pull anywhere between 280-350 A. i dont even want to do the 150+ speeds, i wanna stay moderately lower than 140, and do back to back speed runs with my friends and have a reliable esc for the job ofc :)))
The best way is to join the Castle Creations Fans FB group and post about what you're working on. Castle tends to pick Beta Testers from their active community members. Here's a link to the FB Group. facebook.com/groups/195044431109165
Here's a teaser video I did showing some of what I did. Most of it was off-camera, though. What you don't see is that I did a lot of this running with old, very worn batteries trying to get high ripple voltage. This makes a "worst case scenario" for the ESC, but mine handled it very well.
I've honestly not looked into it too much. For the cars I run, it's tough to complete with Castle for raw output. I'll take a look, though. They are doing some innovative things with their batteries.
I was afraid you may favor curtain brands, not sure if you are sponsored by a certain company like castle, appreciate the honesty. We need this. Thank you!!
I would only use the mamba x in 1:10 scale applications. Currently waiting on my MMX8S from castle! 1 in a limitless and 1 in my tlr 8ieght XE. Might replace my MMX6S in my truggy for a 8s. Cryo drive is firmware and hardware!
True. Cryo-drive combines HW & SW elements to just make things work better. I'm hoping the update their full line of ESCs with it. Thanks for watching!
These do pretty well with TP motors when updated to the latest software. They work best when limited to ~350A, so if you think you will push more current than that, you should probably step up to the XLX2
I ended up being able to fit it into my Typhon with only a slight mod to the stock ESC plate. However, I am willing to design a Kraton mount if you send me pictures and detailed pictures and a dimensions.
Ahhh. From the comment it sounded like you you were looking for something like one of my raised mounts that bolt into the Traxxas 1/10 scales, but tailored for the Kraton. I have 3 basic styles of mounts. You order flat plates which basically just give you a place to screw in your power switch. I also have "sideways" mounts (for the Mamba X, MM2, and MMS-6S) that let you squeeze big ESCs into tight spaces (with a power switch mount) and 'raised" mounts that let you bolt a Mamba X. MM2, MMX, Sidewinder, or Mamba Max Pro into the stock ESC location on a Traxxas 1/10 scale, like your 4-Tec with extra room underneath to hide wires. Here's a link to a video showing the raised mount. One of those would be a better choice for your 4-Tec. th-cam.com/video/AU83kwB90m4/w-d-xo.html
Here's a link to my RC Physics Facebook Page. Hit me up there and we can get something custom specifically for your setups. facebook.com/rhouse21RCPhysics/
I subbed. Great info..ok i have a question . Need some help.i built by losi 8ight 3.0 to do 100mph. I swith between 2 different 6s batteries. I have got to 100 mph on each one. Not i cant get buggy to go over 80. I tried each battery use. Same think. Wont go over 80 mph. Do u suspect cap pak? Or esc?
Sorry for the delayed reply. Can you give me a little more info. What motor, ESC, and batteries are you running. Honestly, it could be a number of things. If it's a data logging Castle ESC, I may be able to help you sift through the logs to see what the issue is. For example, if the batteries were overworked, you could have developed one or more bad cell that would cause your voltage sage to spike which would give you this result. It's really hard to diagnose these things without data logs, but I might be able to help you troubleshoot.
These are just some cheap eBay tires that I picked up to use as basher wheels so I don't burn up my more expensive tires playing around doing dumb stuff. There are a lot of styles available on eBay for really cheap and I just painted the rims silver so they were nicer to look at. These wheels are really not good for much more than parking lot speed, but if you just want something that looks okay that you can throw around about worrying about wasting a bunch of money, they are perfect. The one issue is that the paint doesn't stick really well to the rims, so you will get some flaking if you beat them really hard like I usually do.
@@rolandrichardson7269 Here you go. www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=4Pcs+1%3A8+Buggy++Crawler+Car+Tires%26Wheel+17mm+Hex+For+HPI+HSP+Traxxas+RC+Off+Road&_id=293386836257&&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l46251
This should be ok. I fit one into an ARRMA Typhon. The footprint is pretty similar to other 1:8 scale ESCs. Still, check the measurements on this website against your stock ESC to be sure. www.castlecreations.com/en/mamba-monster-x-8s-33-6v-esc-010-0165-00
The best ESC for me that I see there is that Mamba monster X 8S. I have been running a spektrum 160Amp ESC , quite big on my 7 scale rally build ,but the problem is that they are sensor less and the motor corgging is uncontrollable. reverse also can not be customized meaning you can not tune it to go as slow as you wish. besides that, Castle ESC's are more reliable.
I've seen logs showing over 360A with the MMX-8S so far. The Max6 doesn't data log, but I'm pretty sure it's not doing that. Phillip Holley just did some test passes on his channel in two videos, one with a Max5 and the other with an MMX-8S in his stretched Typhon and the same setup on 4S. The MMX-8S clocked a good speed (I can't remember the exact speed, but I think it was around 100) and hardly broke a sweat. The Max5 was cutting out in the mid 80s
@@RCPhysics from what I know, the max 5 esc needs its lvc turned off and a voltage checker alarm connected to the lipo in order to eliminate voltage restrictions. There are actually a few people on here that have hit roughly 120mph with the max 5 in their limitless
What's you opinion about motor far as a safe motor for my xlx esc in a limitless. I really dont want to he replacing xlx's every other week and I'm not trying to beat any records or anything. I generally only use castle motors but might try tp power but not sure about winding believe y winding would be better choice and what about kv. I'd actually like something that would be good for both speed and drag if possible.
What speeds are you trying to hit. Guys have proven that the Castle 1515 2200kv is good for over 120mph in the Limitless. If you can find an original Castle 1717, that's also an excellent choice. If you can wait a little while longer, a little birdie has told me Castle is planning some new motors to help round out their line up now that the MMX-8S ESC is out. There might be something there you might like.
@@RCPhysics I heard the same about the motors. Unfortunately I need something now to get it up and running. All my cars are currently using all my motors my only spare just went into a mt8. Well besides a new orion ultimate stock motor but he's a tad small for the limitless. I mean I guess I can get something now and still look into the new line up as I can use a few spares. Tp power I'm looking into 4070 cm I never bought 1 of there motors so I'm not sure about all their options. Should I stick with a y wind configuration to be safer on my esc. My problem is I like speedruns but thinking about transitioning over to drag for awhile. Maybe a motor for in between best of both worlds like 2000kv maybe.
If i was to give castle feedback i would say incorporate hobbywing style switch its plain beter also clean the wiring mess in your esc's and there will be no competitors. Ability to unplug the wiring and switch is nice but it would be nicer if the switch wasnt so cheap and overall bad.
The nice thing about their switch harness is that you can replace it or eliminate it all together. I will agree, though. If I had to pick one week spot of the design, that would be it.... however, the fact that this is both our biggest complaints says a HUGE amount for the overall quality of this design.
These are just some cheap basher wheels I got off Ebay. Check the attached video link for more details. Thanks for watching! th-cam.com/video/oF0PpsGqTaY/w-d-xo.html
What's going on man. Love your videos by the way. Anyway, I was wondering if you could please help me diagnose an issue I'm having with my arrma and the mamba monster x 8s? It seems that when driving the car at moderate speed or from a stand still and then hitting the throttle the car kinda starts and stops or hesitates. It also happens after braking when doing a speed run. It eventually clears up once I get to speed but it is killing my mph. Any advice you can give will be highly appreciated. Also, My gearing is 27/34 and I'm not using a cap pack. I also have a tp power 2100kv y motor with the mamba monster 8s. Thanks so much and keep educating us on this rc game.
TP motors are notorious for pulling a lot of current on startup. You have to be very careful getting on the throttle in a speed setup. I have written several articles on this on my Facebook page and on the Castle Creations Blog, but you have to have a smooth gradual throttle pull on speed setups or the ESC could try to dump all it's power at once and overload the ESC. It's kinda like stepping easily onto a frozen lake rather than taking a flying leap onto the ice.... and punching right through. What are your start-up power and punch settings? Usually you have to turn up start power to high and make sure your punch control is set to give the most initial kick possible to avoid cogging. Also, what batteries are you running? That may be a factor. I'd really like to see your data logs to see if I can find anything else useful in there. REach out to me via Facebook and you can send me your data logs right though FB messenger.
@@RCPhysics also it not the cogging. Its like it cuts in and cuts out when I hit the throttle but then eventually stops and rolls on. It gets worse after each run.
Do you mean an XL2 replacement? There have been rumors about the nect big Castle ESC floating around for a while now. It would make sense. The XL2/XLX platform have been around for a while now and are due for a refresh, but I'm pretty sure Castle is going to take their time to make sure they get i right.
The XLX replacement was just announced and is available for pre-order on the Castle website. Here is a link to my unveiling video. th-cam.com/video/wtQO2xtagVU/w-d-xo.html
@@RCPhysics Thanks mate! As Hobbist with years of expirience alnd long time hobby store mechanic i usually watch some video and i think "paid tool" or "hes clueless" you gave me the oposite feeling. Great job and subbed ;]
I never really understood having a fan blow down..... Heat rises, so why not have the fan blow up or suck the hot air outta esc to work with passive air flow and not against it....🤷♂️
Check the specs 1300a peak power on 8s for max 5 I thought the mmx was much lower and xlx. My understanding was performance goes to the max 5 but at the cost of losing data logging but I've never seen someone test the max 5. I tried using a watt meter but the Max 5 destroyed the 200a continuous power cap on the meter so I couldn't get any results.
one of the reasons Castle does not give power numbers is because a lot of manufacturers play some pretty funky games with their numbers so it is almost impossible to verify some of them in the real world. Many times those huge numbers are only if you take the current that flows in a single peak and then extrapolate that out to a continuous level which is pretty much impossible. if you want a good example of the difference in power, look at Phillip jolley's TH-cam channel. He just did a comparison where he ran a Max5 ESC in a stretched Typhon, and then did the same test with the New Castle Mamba Monster X 8s. The Max5 shut down under the load at less than 90mph where the Castle did over 130mph.
@@RCPhysics Oh Nice!! I'll definitely be looking at that video. I have been saving up for a xlx just to get data logging, it would be AWESOME to see it actually has better output than my Max 5. I was going to get a 300a beast but it's just too big and you don't get anything if you don't run it at its best output which I think is 12s so I'll stick with the M5 and XLX on 8s for now lol. Thanks for the reply and stay safe!
@@fastnbashrc1630 What rig is this for? You may even be able to get by with the MMX-8S. It's been demonstrated to flow over 400 REAL Amps. It's still a little behind the XLX in raw performance, but it supports sensored motors AND is waterproof.
@@RCPhysics Man I didn't even see this reply, my apologies. It would be for my limitless, I bought the Max 5 almost a year ago because the hobby shop gave me a crazy good deal on it as I am good friends with the boss man up there. He was pretty confident that I could push the Max 5 well over 100 MPH and so far he was right. Now, if I were to go back and do it over, I would have gotten the XLX but don't necessarily regret my decision as I have murdered some people with my Max 5 TFL SSS 800kv setup. Like pulling wheelies with the limitless isn't something I see often and one of the reasons I went back to my smaller XK-4092 1450kv. I also had problems getting a spool smaller than 28T and in order to put up good numbers required something like a 20T so i'm in the market for a 1200 to 2100kv. I know Castle makes some good products I just find it a mixed bag when I talk to people, few people sold xlx and got max 5 and speak highly others like yourself wouldn't get anything else.
It only took them 2+ years to figure out how to build a proper heat sink solution. Hopefully in another 5 years they'll stop with bullshit and start including the bluetooth connectivity, built inside of the ESC strait outta the box. I already spent 150 bucks on the esc/motor combo, now I gotta spend another 50 to access features that I already paid for? Bullshit.
I'm sorry Castle has some great performance ESCs but the damn things don't last and very unreliable.Hobbywing may not perform as well but they are far more sure to last you a long time.
@@RCPhysics I've really been fighting with myself whether or not to buy to Mamba Monster x 8s.I've been trying to get feedback on the Mamba Monster x 8s.When I read the reviews on Amain Hobbies,where I buy most of my RC stuff.I got kinda mix reviews with a guy saying his on only worked for a short time and stopped.
From what I have heard, Castle has shipped thousands of these units and have only had a small fraction of failures. I have two personally and they seem tough as nails. The only thing to be concerned with is the original fan shroud design could let the blades hit the top of the cover, but I believe they have redesigned that and will replace it if you have a problem.
@@RCPhysics Thanks man.It's good that these seem to a lot more reliable than the past Castle offerings.I might buy it and check it out myself.Right now I have a Max6 and a TP 4070cm 2200kv in my Rustler VXL.Lot's of power for a car that size.
I would only use the mamba x in 1:10 scale applications. Currently waiting on my MMX8S from castle! 1 in a limitless and 1 in my tlr 8ieght XE. Might replace my MMX6S in my truggy for a 8s. Cryo drive is firmware and hardware!
No arguments about the Mamba X. It is a 1:10 scale ESC, but a really strong one. And you're right Cryo-drive is more than just SW, which is why they can't just upgrade all the existing ESCs to have it with a SW patch. However, a lot of the magic is in how Castle uses their SW to make the smart HW changes work even better.
Being another RC guy with An obsession with capacitors I always enjoy your videos. I like that you go into detail
Thanks! I realized a while back that people watch me videos expecting a certain perspective. Anybody can say "That's a big cap!" But I end up trying to talk through why the designer may have chosen it 😅
@@RCPhysics And I appreciate the fact that you do that. I am somebody else that likes to over explain things to people. I've been called a mad scientist on multiple occasions. It's just crazy how somebody can slap a name brand on something and everybody expects it to be the best but looking at the specs on certain very popular brands I can make a capacitor with 3× the capacitance for half the price but not going to lie I'd like access to the boards they are making there's on mine are not as tidy but I appreciate the response one day I hope my rc game is close to your level it's just slow going I have a handicap son and medical Bill's really cramp my builds but as long as he is happy that's all that matters I'm going to stop rambling now but up the good work I'll be watching
Great comparisons, you definitely get into it more than I. Another great video 💪
Thanks!
Appreciate your honest review and time doing this review. Can’t wait to put this in my Kraton 6s ! Been along time since I was up at the store in Chantilly hope everyone doing well up there.
Thanks! It's now Adrenaline Racing. The old owner sold the store so he could retire, but Colin is still there.
Thanks Brother for the solid review of the esc. And shout-out. Gotcha covered. Yes our weather sucks right now. 😂
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Thanks for the info I just installed one into a limitless awesome knowledge 👍👍🔥🔥🔥
Thank you! I hope you enjoy it!
Cryo- Drive is probally somekind of mosfet switching feature were the esc switches were the current is going through different mosfets depending on what mosfet is getting hot and switching back and fourth depending on amp demand and heat build up.
All Castle will say is that it is a combination of hardware and software. Whatever it is, it seems to definitely work.
You can program 12S as an option when setting up the ESC on a Max5
Really? I did not know that. I'll pass that on to Collin.
How do you make the max 5 esc 12 s?
How do you make the max 5 12 s?
Hmmmm. The Hobbywing website says it only supports 8S. I'm sure guys would like to know how you can mod it via programming, though.
@@RCPhysics That could totally be true and probably right.. I did see during setup you can use automatic or manually set the value up to 12s.. which I thought was odd..
Awesome video amazing info on the Mamba X 8s great job thumbs up 👍👊🤟
Thanks!
Quick question I replaced an xlx esc that caught fire with the mmx 8s esc. I notice the fan cuts off immediately after turning on. Is that normal? Maybe it cuts on after temps rise?
This is perfectly normal. The new Castle ESCs have a thermostatically controlled fan, so it only turns on when it needs to. This is actually pretty smart because it extends the life of the fan, especially since these ESCs run much cooler than their previous generation ESCs.
I have a question, about the mm8s that I just install with a 1717 motor. The fan kicks on when started then cuts off even though I had only a 4s battery in at the time of my first testing, is the fan temperature controlled?
Yup. The fan us temp controlled. It takes a pretty good amount of hammering to even get it to com on. The MMX-8S is a really solid ESC.
Mmx8s handle 350amps without issues?
Pretty much. Don't get me wrong, you can kill pretty much any ESC if you hammer on it. Hard, but these guys are pretty robust at that current level.
Nice vid and detailed info!
Thanks!
Hi there, great comparison, I have an xo1 with stock electronics, can the stock xo1 motor get the xlx 2 esc and run in on 8s?
Yessir. It is a 60k rpm motor, so it should handle 8S. Just be careful not to over-rev the motor by doing full throttle pulls lightly loaded or with the motor out of the car.
@@RCPhysics really appreciate your reply. Thank you man!
I have trouble zooming into my log. Idk if it’s bcs I’m not doing only one speed run and stop, instead I drive for 40 minute so the data appears compressed. When I zoom in it does not zoom in where I am trying to zoom into. Also it doesn’t zoom like I want it to.., I’m trying to
“stretch out” the graph so I can see the details but I can’t see the whole picture, I just see lines going up and down, frustrating. When I save the data, opening to the saved data file does not open up like the same graph, instead it’s like a spread sheet. Why is that?
Point 1) The zoom in function on the Castle Link Graph viewer can be a little picky. You have to use the mouse to select the area of the graph you want to zoom in on or you will drill into some really weird areas of the data that won't show you anything useful. It takes a little practice, but you'll figure it out.
Point 2) Castle Link saves data files as CSV (Comma Separated Value) files. This is kind of an old-school format that was really common back in the day for exporting un-formatted numerical data. So.... double clicking the file launches a program designed to look at large numeric files, a spreadsheet. To look at the data files in the Castle Link Viewer, you have to open the viewer program first, then open the data lotg using the "File" menu option.
The dual lock "plastic velcro" strips are amazing for bodys like velcroing the sides of your bodys to keep inside airflow to a minimum
Yup. They are really awesome when used in the right places.
I have that esc with a 1650 kv motor want to run on 6s only in a Mojave exb what gearing would you suggest. Don’t need crazy spied I’d be happy wit 60 just want to keep the motor and esc cool. New to the hobby any input would be fantastic. Thanks for your very informative videos
Ok. This is one of those simple questions that could easily turn into a really long answer. 😅
Your stock motor was 2050kv. Your new motor is 1650kv. So for the same voltage, your motor's RPM will be ~3/4 of the stock motor. (It's actually 80.4% to be exact). That means to your new motor needs a pinion ~4/3 larger to get about the same overall wheel speed. (Again, that's 1.24X larger for exact numbers). Since the stock pinion it 16T, you need to replace it with a 20T to keep stock-like performance. Similarly, to match ARMMA's 20T "speed pinion", you will need a ~25T.
I hope this helps.
Thank you very much sir that’s what I was thinking but was not sure if my math was right I’ll be getting a 20t don’t really need to go to fast as it will be off-road 95 percent of the time. If I feel the need for speed I’ll just grab my felony. Appreciate your knowledge sir
Which are the wheels and tires on your xo-1?
here is a link to the tire set I was using in this particular video, but I talked about a couple of alternatives in episodes 149 and 161. I hope that's useful. 😁
th-cam.com/video/4Y-Vde5-dhE/w-d-xo.html
Greatly appreciated video..do you know how much amps the sidewinder 8th scalce esc is? And can I run it in my kraton 6s?
The SW8 is rated for cars up to 11lbsw. The craton fully loaded is a little heavier than that, but you will probably be ok if you are easy on the gearing.
The Mamba Monster 2 & MMX are rated up to 15 lbs, so one of them might be a better choice. You can see all the Castle ESCs at this link. home.castlecreations.com/surface
Cool honest review, I'm debating if i should buy a new rtr 2022 XO-1 or build my old version XO-1 roller which is similar your car and i'm just wondering what i should do. But if i built my roller i would use a Castle MMX8s with a new sensored 1717 1,650KV Motor (Not the stock XO-1 motor) also stock tires and body with a Radiolink RC8X or Futaba 4PM radio. What does anyone think about my setup in the roller vs buying a new rtr?
Sorry for the delayed reply. I like the idea of building rollers. I don't think you ever actually save money this way, but you have the freedom to build it exactly like you want. The MMX-8S & Sensored 1717 is a great combo, so you should do pretty well with it. The RTR does give you the stability system, but you you'll end up with a bunch of unused hardware to sell going that route. You could just as easily pick up an inexpensive gyro if you want that capability.
@@RCPhysics Thanks for the info, and i think i might stick to the roller since i already have the base car. I love your channel you and a few others got me into XO-1's.
Thanks. I love the platform. 🤓
@@RCPhysics Yeah, i love it too even though there is the Arrma on roads but the XO-1 is a definite classic.
Yessir!
Just subbed on the detailed info alone. I have the MMX 8s combo and was trying to find out the difference between the xlx esc and mine. I mean I’ve searched forums and TH-cam. Thanks for putting this out there👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
No problem. Thanks for watching!
hey great video, so do you think the mamba monster x esc can handle more than 400 amps at 8s?
If you need more than 400A on 8S, you should move up to the XLX2. Pushing an ESC beyond its documented capabilities should be reserved for situations where there isn't an option that will handle those power levels. The XLX2 has demonstrated that it can easily handle more than 400A, so I wouldn't risk frying an MMX-8S if you are pulling that much current.
@@RCPhysics ah ok good explanation. one thing i dont understand is that the hobby wing max 5's and 6's are capable of doing excessive of 900 amps, but they are cheaper. however i did realise that the castle escs do stay more cooler than the hobby wing ones even at low current. But what would you reccommened for me? i wanna get a good quality esc that wont just blow up on me if i gear high, but then again i dont wanna break the bank; the castle stuff is expensive, but i want reliability even if it means to spend a little more.
@@haks_123 Castle doesn't publish current draw ratings because most of their competitors publish deceptively high current data. Many competitors quote just the current flowing during a "power pulse", when they should be quoting the average power flow over several power pulses including the "dead-time" in between pulses. It gets pretty technical pretty fast, but Castle ESCs flow more "real-world" current than any other brand, which is why they are more expensive.
They are also more efficient... which is how they stay cooler than their competitors even though they are delivering more power.
What are you planning on running? the Mamba Monster X 8S is a remarkably capable ESC that's capable of handling enough real-world power for most applications up to 1:6 scale.
@@RCPhysics oh ok makes sense, and i was thinking mmx8s + arma limitless (34t pinion + 34t spool, so 1:1 gearing), im assuming it would pull anywhere between 280-350 A. i dont even want to do the 150+ speeds, i wanna stay moderately lower than 140, and do back to back speed runs with my friends and have a reliable esc for the job ofc :)))
@@haks_123 The MMX-8S should be perfect for you then!
So would you recomend this as a basher ESC for a Losi DBXL-E 2.0?
I know a guy running the MMX-8S in that rig with a sensored 2028 who absolutely loves it.
@@RCPhysics thank you brother.
My pleasure!
can i put the new 8s fan on the old 6s momba monster x? i wonder if it would fit
You could probably zip tie a 40mm high CFM fan to it.
@@RCPhysics yea true... thanks
How do i join the beta program for castle because i wanna join and test escs too
The best way is to join the Castle Creations Fans FB group and post about what you're working on. Castle tends to pick Beta Testers from their active community members.
Here's a link to the FB Group. facebook.com/groups/195044431109165
Where's the link of you trying to kill the ESC with your Typhon and XO-1?
Here's a teaser video I did showing some of what I did. Most of it was off-camera, though. What you don't see is that I did a lot of this running with old, very worn batteries trying to get high ripple voltage. This makes a "worst case scenario" for the ESC, but mine handled it very well.
Nice review. I have a question. What do u think of the spectrum 160 smart esc
I've honestly not looked into it too much. For the cars I run, it's tough to complete with Castle for raw output. I'll take a look, though. They are doing some innovative things with their batteries.
I was afraid you may favor curtain brands, not sure if you are sponsored by a certain company like castle, appreciate the honesty. We need this. Thank you!!
Thank you! I'm sponsored, but I try to be as fair and truthful as I can so people can make well informed decisions. And thanks for watching!
I would only use the mamba x in 1:10 scale applications. Currently waiting on my MMX8S from castle! 1 in a limitless and 1 in my tlr 8ieght XE. Might replace my MMX6S in my truggy for a 8s. Cryo drive is firmware and hardware!
True. Cryo-drive combines HW & SW elements to just make things work better. I'm hoping the update their full line of ESCs with it. Thanks for watching!
How did it do with a TP motor?
These do pretty well with TP motors when updated to the latest software. They work best when limited to ~350A, so if you think you will push more current than that, you should probably step up to the XLX2
@@RCPhysics thanks brother. Gonna see how it goes first but got my 👁 on xlx2 already
Can I fit and install this in an erevo 2.0?
I am not sure. You should probably go to the castle website and check the dimensions versus your stock ESC.
When are you making the mounts? I need one for my Kraton 8s. Thanks
I ended up being able to fit it into my Typhon with only a slight mod to the stock ESC plate. However, I am willing to design a Kraton mount if you send me pictures and detailed pictures and a dimensions.
@@RCPhysics I think I just ordered 4 mounts from you on ebay.
Ahhh. From the comment it sounded like you you were looking for something like one of my raised mounts that bolt into the Traxxas 1/10 scales, but tailored for the Kraton.
I have 3 basic styles of mounts. You order flat plates which basically just give you a place to screw in your power switch. I also have "sideways" mounts (for the Mamba X, MM2, and MMS-6S) that let you squeeze big ESCs into tight spaces (with a power switch mount) and 'raised" mounts that let you bolt a Mamba X. MM2, MMX, Sidewinder, or Mamba Max Pro into the stock ESC location on a Traxxas 1/10 scale, like your 4-Tec with extra room underneath to hide wires.
Here's a link to a video showing the raised mount. One of those would be a better choice for your 4-Tec. th-cam.com/video/AU83kwB90m4/w-d-xo.html
@@RCPhysics yes
Here's a link to my RC Physics Facebook Page. Hit me up there and we can get something custom specifically for your setups.
facebook.com/rhouse21RCPhysics/
I subbed. Great info..ok i have a question . Need some help.i built by losi 8ight 3.0 to do 100mph. I swith between 2 different 6s batteries. I have got to 100 mph on each one. Not i cant get buggy to go over 80. I tried each battery use. Same think. Wont go over 80 mph. Do u suspect cap pak? Or esc?
Sorry for the delayed reply. Can you give me a little more info. What motor, ESC, and batteries are you running. Honestly, it could be a number of things. If it's a data logging Castle ESC, I may be able to help you sift through the logs to see what the issue is. For example, if the batteries were overworked, you could have developed one or more bad cell that would cause your voltage sage to spike which would give you this result. It's really hard to diagnose these things without data logs, but I might be able to help you troubleshoot.
This is Roland i have one question Where did the wheels and tires come from on you car?
These are just some cheap eBay tires that I picked up to use as basher wheels so I don't burn up my more expensive tires playing around doing dumb stuff. There are a lot of styles available on eBay for really cheap and I just painted the rims silver so they were nicer to look at. These wheels are really not good for much more than parking lot speed, but if you just want something that looks okay that you can throw around about worrying about wasting a bunch of money, they are perfect. The one issue is that the paint doesn't stick really well to the rims, so you will get some flaking if you beat them really hard like I usually do.
@@RCPhysics can you give me some information on what to put in so i can view the site that you purchase them on
@@rolandrichardson7269 Here you go.
www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=4Pcs+1%3A8+Buggy++Crawler+Car+Tires%26Wheel+17mm+Hex+For+HPI+HSP+Traxxas+RC+Off+Road&_id=293386836257&&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l46251
Awesome video bro. Jus got 1 myself with 800kv for xmaxx & doing as much research as I can on this stuff
Awesome! keep me posted.
Will this fit in my Savage X v2?
This should be ok. I fit one into an ARRMA Typhon. The footprint is pretty similar to other 1:8 scale ESCs. Still, check the measurements on this website against your stock ESC to be sure.
www.castlecreations.com/en/mamba-monster-x-8s-33-6v-esc-010-0165-00
The best ESC for me that I see there is that Mamba monster X 8S. I have been running a spektrum 160Amp ESC , quite big on my 7 scale rally build ,but the problem is that they are sensor less and the motor corgging is uncontrollable. reverse also can not be customized meaning you can not tune it to go as slow as you wish. besides that, Castle ESC's are more reliable.
Awesome! Thanks for watching. 😊
Witch has more amps , max 6 or mm8s
I've seen logs showing over 360A with the MMX-8S so far. The Max6 doesn't data log, but I'm pretty sure it's not doing that.
Phillip Holley just did some test passes on his channel in two videos, one with a Max5 and the other with an MMX-8S in his stretched Typhon and the same setup on 4S. The MMX-8S clocked a good speed (I can't remember the exact speed, but I think it was around 100) and hardly broke a sweat. The Max5 was cutting out in the mid 80s
@@RCPhysics from what I know, the max 5 esc needs its lvc turned off and a voltage checker alarm connected to the lipo in order to eliminate voltage restrictions. There are actually a few people on here that have hit roughly 120mph with the max 5 in their limitless
@@hnic72 Thanks for the info!
What wheels do you have on your xo-1 , I like the look of them
I did two videos on those. Here are the links.
th-cam.com/video/qhZIWkaC-PE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/4Y-Vde5-dhE/w-d-xo.html
rhouse21 - RC Physics thank you very much
My pleasure.
What's you opinion about motor far as a safe motor for my xlx esc in a limitless. I really dont want to he replacing xlx's every other week and I'm not trying to beat any records or anything. I generally only use castle motors but might try tp power but not sure about winding believe y winding would be better choice and what about kv. I'd actually like something that would be good for both speed and drag if possible.
What speeds are you trying to hit. Guys have proven that the Castle 1515 2200kv is good for over 120mph in the Limitless. If you can find an original Castle 1717, that's also an excellent choice. If you can wait a little while longer, a little birdie has told me Castle is planning some new motors to help round out their line up now that the MMX-8S ESC is out. There might be something there you might like.
@@RCPhysics I heard the same about the motors. Unfortunately I need something now to get it up and running. All my cars are currently using all my motors my only spare just went into a mt8. Well besides a new orion ultimate stock motor but he's a tad small for the limitless. I mean I guess I can get something now and still look into the new line up as I can use a few spares. Tp power I'm looking into 4070 cm I never bought 1 of there motors so I'm not sure about all their options. Should I stick with a y wind configuration to be safer on my esc. My problem is I like speedruns but thinking about transitioning over to drag for awhile. Maybe a motor for in between best of both worlds like 2000kv maybe.
I need help on data longing, and that video u saw about the 12s ztw that blew , u got email ?
Reach out to me on Facebook and I'll tell you how to send files my way.
If i was to give castle feedback i would say incorporate hobbywing style switch its plain beter also clean the wiring mess in your esc's and there will be no competitors. Ability to unplug the wiring and switch is nice but it would be nicer if the switch wasnt so cheap and overall bad.
The nice thing about their switch harness is that you can replace it or eliminate it all together. I will agree, though. If I had to pick one week spot of the design, that would be it.... however, the fact that this is both our biggest complaints says a HUGE amount for the overall quality of this design.
Castle has been my go-too forever but i would like to try out a hobbywing in the future. Would u consider doing a tekin* review?
I can see if my LHS has one to look at.
What wheels do you have? They look awesome!!!
These are just some cheap basher wheels I got off Ebay. Check the attached video link for more details. Thanks for watching!
th-cam.com/video/oF0PpsGqTaY/w-d-xo.html
Cool thanks.
Do you have a FB?
Here's my Facebook Group. You can message me there. www.facegook.com/rhouse21rcphysics.
Lots of good info brother. Thanks for doing the math so I don’t have to. 😂
Thanks! That's my job. 😏🤓
Great info! Subbed bro!
Thanks for the sub! I appreciate it. 😎
Can you create a drag motor please
I can pas that along to Castle. I believe they are planning some new motor releases soon.
What's going on man. Love your videos by the way. Anyway, I was wondering if you could please help me diagnose an issue I'm having with my arrma and the mamba monster x 8s? It seems that when driving the car at moderate speed or from a stand still and then hitting the throttle the car kinda starts and stops or hesitates. It also happens after braking when doing a speed run. It eventually clears up once I get to speed but it is killing my mph. Any advice you can give will be highly appreciated. Also, My gearing is 27/34 and I'm not using a cap pack. I also have a tp power 2100kv y motor with the mamba monster 8s. Thanks so much and keep educating us on this rc game.
TP motors are notorious for pulling a lot of current on startup. You have to be very careful getting on the throttle in a speed setup. I have written several articles on this on my Facebook page and on the Castle Creations Blog, but you have to have a smooth gradual throttle pull on speed setups or the ESC could try to dump all it's power at once and overload the ESC. It's kinda like stepping easily onto a frozen lake rather than taking a flying leap onto the ice.... and punching right through.
What are your start-up power and punch settings? Usually you have to turn up start power to high and make sure your punch control is set to give the most initial kick possible to avoid cogging.
Also, what batteries are you running? That may be a factor.
I'd really like to see your data logs to see if I can find anything else useful in there. REach out to me via Facebook and you can send me your data logs right though FB messenger.
@@RCPhysics man thanks for quick response and the expert knowledge. I get those logs to you as soon as I can.
Also I'm running a hrb lipo 6s 4000 60c.
@@RCPhysics also it not the cogging. Its like it cuts in and cuts out when I hit the throttle but then eventually stops and rolls on. It gets worse after each run.
@@RCPhysics I also set my power level and punch to your suggestions. I will test it this week and let you know if it helped.
ive herd there making a xl2
Do you mean an XL2 replacement? There have been rumors about the nect big Castle ESC floating around for a while now. It would make sense. The XL2/XLX platform have been around for a while now and are due for a refresh, but I'm pretty sure Castle is going to take their time to make sure they get i right.
Only reason why I don't buy Castle is because my local hobby shop told me that they were going out of business and they had poor warranties.
They are definitely not going out of business any time soon. In fact, I think they are about to have a pretty strong comeback.
@@RCPhysics thanks I need to get to the Hangar.
Nice!!! Subbed
Awesome thank you!
My onlu complaint about this esc is that they have not given us the amp rating ;/ And that sucks.
Any idea when the xlx replacement might come out? Im looking for sensored combo for my dbxle 2.0
The XLX replacement was just announced and is available for pre-order on the Castle website. Here is a link to my unveiling video. th-cam.com/video/wtQO2xtagVU/w-d-xo.html
@@RCPhysics Thanks mate! As Hobbist with years of expirience alnd long time hobby store mechanic i usually watch some video and i think "paid tool" or "hes clueless" you gave me the oposite feeling. Great job and subbed ;]
Out of curiosity does this fan blow down or up?
It blows down.
I never really understood having a fan blow down.....
Heat rises, so why not have the fan blow up or suck the hot air outta esc to work with passive air flow and not against it....🤷♂️
Check the specs 1300a peak power on 8s for max 5 I thought the mmx was much lower and xlx. My understanding was performance goes to the max 5 but at the cost of losing data logging but I've never seen someone test the max 5. I tried using a watt meter but the Max 5 destroyed the 200a continuous power cap on the meter so I couldn't get any results.
one of the reasons Castle does not give power numbers is because a lot of manufacturers play some pretty funky games with their numbers so it is almost impossible to verify some of them in the real world. Many times those huge numbers are only if you take the current that flows in a single peak and then extrapolate that out to a continuous level which is pretty much impossible. if you want a good example of the difference in power, look at Phillip jolley's TH-cam channel. He just did a comparison where he ran a Max5 ESC in a stretched Typhon, and then did the same test with the New Castle Mamba Monster X 8s. The Max5 shut down under the load at less than 90mph where the Castle did over 130mph.
@@RCPhysics Oh Nice!! I'll definitely be looking at that video. I have been saving up for a xlx just to get data logging, it would be AWESOME to see it actually has better output than my Max 5. I was going to get a 300a beast but it's just too big and you don't get anything if you don't run it at its best output which I think is 12s so I'll stick with the M5 and XLX on 8s for now lol.
Thanks for the reply and stay safe!
@@fastnbashrc1630 What rig is this for? You may even be able to get by with the MMX-8S. It's been demonstrated to flow over 400 REAL Amps. It's still a little behind the XLX in raw performance, but it supports sensored motors AND is waterproof.
@@RCPhysics
Man I didn't even see this reply, my apologies. It would be for my limitless, I bought the Max 5 almost a year ago because the hobby shop gave me a crazy good deal on it as I am good friends with the boss man up there. He was pretty confident that I could push the Max 5 well over 100 MPH and so far he was right. Now, if I were to go back and do it over, I would have gotten the XLX but don't necessarily regret my decision as I have murdered some people with my Max 5 TFL SSS 800kv setup. Like pulling wheelies with the limitless isn't something I see often and one of the reasons I went back to my smaller XK-4092 1450kv. I also had problems getting a spool smaller than 28T and in order to put up good numbers required something like a 20T so i'm in the market for a 1200 to 2100kv.
I know Castle makes some good products I just find it a mixed bag when I talk to people, few people sold xlx and got max 5 and speak highly others like yourself wouldn't get anything else.
It only took them 2+ years to figure out how to build a proper heat sink solution. Hopefully in another 5 years they'll stop with bullshit and start including the bluetooth connectivity, built inside of the ESC strait outta the box. I already spent 150 bucks on the esc/motor combo, now I gotta spend another 50 to access features that I already paid for? Bullshit.
Have you looked at this one?
th-cam.com/video/6gpooI8DXu0/w-d-xo.html
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I'm sorry Castle has some great performance ESCs but the damn things don't last and very unreliable.Hobbywing may not perform as well but they are far more sure to last you a long time.
The new line with the aluminum cases (Mamba X & Mamba Monster X 8S) fix that.
@@RCPhysics I've really been fighting with myself whether or not to buy to Mamba Monster x 8s.I've been trying to get feedback on the Mamba Monster x 8s.When I read the reviews on Amain Hobbies,where I buy most of my RC stuff.I got kinda mix reviews with a guy saying his on only worked for a short time and stopped.
From what I have heard, Castle has shipped thousands of these units and have only had a small fraction of failures. I have two personally and they seem tough as nails. The only thing to be concerned with is the original fan shroud design could let the blades hit the top of the cover, but I believe they have redesigned that and will replace it if you have a problem.
@@RCPhysics Thanks man.It's good that these seem to a lot more reliable than the past Castle offerings.I might buy it and check it out myself.Right now I have a Max6 and a TP 4070cm 2200kv in my Rustler VXL.Lot's of power for a car that size.
I would only use the mamba x in 1:10 scale applications. Currently waiting on my MMX8S from castle! 1 in a limitless and 1 in my tlr 8ieght XE. Might replace my MMX6S in my truggy for a 8s. Cryo drive is firmware and hardware!
No arguments about the Mamba X. It is a 1:10 scale ESC, but a really strong one. And you're right Cryo-drive is more than just SW, which is why they can't just upgrade all the existing ESCs to have it with a SW patch. However, a lot of the magic is in how Castle uses their SW to make the smart HW changes work even better.