XLX2 vs X Series ESCs- What you NEED to know!
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- We finally get a review and size comparison up and out with the new XLX2 from Castle. AMAZING performing esc with some special goodies it has installed on it as well! we go over all the other newer X series escs from Castle as well.
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What is the difference between an esc 8s 200amp and an esc 8s 500amp ?
Question will a 1520 motor sensored will it work on a Mamba Monster X 6s
What part of Florida are you running in?
@@tobydyes yes
Do u think a xt90 connector will be fine on 8s with the mamba x
This video came just in time. My Max 8 just went up in flames and I was wondering what to replace it with.
How? On what car? I'm getting ready to put a Max 8 on my Erevo, something I need to know?
Me to, I did not even get 1 speed run.😩
I have 2 mmx8s I've ran for awhile. 80mph in the xmaxx on badlands so far. and two xlx2 combos on the way pre ordered. shooting for 100mph xmaxx and 90 ish mph dbxle2
Easily possible with solid batteries
@@InnovationRC What kind of batteries would you recommend? getting a sensored 1450kv tp motor built right now...have gens ace 100c 75004s Lihvs and smc 9700 120c graphenes. I plan to test both with different motor combos, from the 2028 800kv,1100 kv and the 1450kv tp in the xmaxx. I Will prob stick to the 800kv in the dbxle2.
@@RCKYOTA solid choices. The smc will do the best of those batteries
@@InnovationRC cool, thanks for the reply. Love the videos
@@RCKYOTA all good thank you!
To bad castle esc's are catching fire 🔥
Fact. My m41 Castle esc blew up in the boat at high speed. Melted areas of the boat and cover..
@@kingdamiealderdice8413 get them too replace it...its a known issue
If the XLX retails for about $430-$450 here in Australia, I'm guessing the XLX2 will likely fetch $500-$550 (possibly more) if or when it ever gets released here. Insane!! It's one of the reasons so many use Hobbywing here, it's priced so much better. Speed runners will still dig deep for the Castle gear, but the everyday basher will almost always go HW. Castle is just a bit much, not to mention, it's almost non-existent here. I've heard of so many people having to buy direct from the USA because there just can't find anything locally. And it's been this way for years...
This was great and very good info, bro. Very well done. 😊👍 Do you still need to plug the ESCs into a laptop/PC to program them or is there an easier way? That's one thing, I have to say, that Hobbywing has always done better and easier. Probably not as refined and no data logging, but much easier to program nonetheless.
Appreciate it! Yeah I absolutely agree. BUT. "There is no compromise in real speed" money won't matter if you want something to work at an extreme you can't cut corners. It is unfortunate though that the price is significantly boosted by default for you guys. Yep it's the same way as any other castle ESC. Plugs to computer or bluetooth via B-link
@@InnovationRC thanks Brandon, appreciate it. 🤜🤛
Aussie RC Playground yeah man I feel bad for all non americans, this hobby is expensive as hell for you guys. For all my bashers I just run mamba monster 1’s and 2’s, they run the coolest out of any 8th scale esc I’ve ever used and I get them for just over $100 on eBay shipped. I don’t really know much about their newer escs, still have never even used the first mamba monster x, too expensive for me.
Ppl getting 165mph real speed with tp and max 5 soon why buy castle????? Love hobbywing and don't catch fire lmfao lol 😆
@@mychalpstanton9188 never get that speed with an hb esc
Great vid. Currently I have a mamba x, and a mamba monster x 6s. I’ve read 170 amp peaks using 4s on the mmx. I recon it good for 200amps as my temps are still quite low :)
You can also waterproof those circuit boards yourself with silicone modified conformal coating. I used that stuff on my flight boards when I flew fpv!
I pulled 400amps on Mmx8s and it went up in flames. So it can not handle it.
I've done it. That's why I said SOME guys pull 400 amps. Esc can do it. It's meant to do 350.
If your solder joints are bad that's what can cause a fire.
Innovation RC yeah some can pull off in a burst I guess (speed run) but mine wasn’t when bashing. The hobbywing did good So have to keep Mmx8s for smaller 6s stuff from now on. I’ll try xlx2.
It's debatable for sure. Some guys can do 400 many times. And sometimes an esc can maybe do 350 then blow up... Guess it depends on a bunch of internals
Great review man! Thanks. Castle is awesome but I can't deny I'm a little disappointed in your hobbywing reference. They have great reliable stuff as well. Run them in different trucks and no issues so far.
Keep up thé good work 💪
Do you think you could ever do a real world performance test between the xlx2 and mmx8s? In the same rig with the same motor and gearing and see how data logs compare? (Obviously something that both ESCs could handle). I'd be curious to see what the differences would be in power delivery, temperatures, etc...
Awesome! YOU SHOULD DO A GIVEAWAY OF THE XLX2. AND THEN I WIN IT! WHAT YOU SAY?! 😄
Yeaah lol if I was one of those rich TH-cam guys I'd support all my followers in this hobby. Unfortunately not so 😉
@@InnovationRC Yea lol. Worth a shot! ;)
finally they do something more powerful finally 😅 it's about time
the reason why i quit this hobby i was soooo bored buring esc
nice video brother 👌👌
Just buy a good brand, like Traxxas or Arrma brushless Ready to Run (rtr)
There pretty good out of the box now. 👍🏻
Yes man come back! Xlx was choking out awhile back and now it just died into a newer more efficient version! You'll certainly be happy!
Kozey Oval
250$ isn’t bad for that awesome Esc it nice looking toon I say it worth the money for me i’d get a stock rc time to time you can get parts like these to just make your rc more faster more durable and just extra fun 🤩
Lol like the hobbywing shade
I really want to like Castle's ESC's. Especially since they're made here America, but I haven't owned one that didn't have major problems 4 months into ownership. From my experience their ESCs have been straight garbage. However, their motors are fucking awesome. I have had nothing but great experiences when it comes to thier motors, especially the current line (with the exposed solder tabs I can do my own wire and solder work).
Try some of the newer ones the 3 newer style listed here are absolutely amazing. Monster x,.xx8s,xlx2 I've ran the first two a ton with zero issues.
real powerful XLX 2 🤛🏻🤩🤩
Are you and rc knockout the same person? You sound just like him!
Nope. I am me 😂
Hi bro. i want to buy this one. can i odder here?
i'm from vietnam
Online at Castlecreations.com
Good info thanks . . .
Bauch Ford
Thanks.
Will the XLX2 fit in a ARRMA EBX? thanks,
It will be difficult but you can probably squeeze it in there. I'd recommend a mamba monster x 8s. Xlx2 is overkill
@@InnovationRC thank you!
I respect Castle ESCs for being good for speed-runs and stuff. I personally wouldn't buy a Castle ESC unless I hear really good things about them because I've had a very bad experience buying a couple of their ESCs and them stop working within a short time period. I think Castle gives you the best performance for the money but the ESCs are generally not very reliable.
This video man keep em coming big fan from UK
Huge thanks! Really appreciate that!
Great vid! Im working on a car that is only 2300 grams now all complete minus the coming XLX2 esc and lipos.. Should be scary to run on 8s! 😁
You will have all the power you desire! It's defined, as powerful as your weakest link. That is crazy
Better or worse then the xlx i like the max 5hv and max 4 for my 5th scale i dont do speed runs i bash can you tell they hide the amps. But i know the xlx was shit till they fixed the software back then. Well hopefully they fixed it.
i just want to hear the Beep beep beep beep when you turn it on 😂 cuz to me i love that sound and hey you have a good Ecu when you have power well if you wanna make it go zoom
I love the part on xlx2 that i can basicly unsolder the power wires and replace them if they ever get damaged.
Sept 2022 - thought I'd ask what your thoughts were on some YT'bers claiming that the most recent esc firmware updates from Castle limiting the capacity to draw previous max amp levels...?
Unfortunately I believe that is true nowadays. When I beta tested the xlx2 I couldn't kill it. Today they aren't the same.
I like castle creations, but I used a max 10 sct 120amp and a 2000kv in my tmaxx and loved it. But idk. I ball on a budget, so im not scared to admit cheaper is close enough. Especially to have fun.
Nothing wrong with that setup. Whatever works stay with it!
Hobbywing is dope. I use hobbywing in everything except my xmaxx.
Love the Information dude.
Do you think I can do 150Mph with a Mamba X 8s and what Castle motor do you recommend for a front(stock) motor setup in an Infraction? Sorry...that was a lot to ask. I'm trying to get to 150Mph(eventually) Currently at 121Mph in my Slash 4x4. I can't find an XLX2 anywhere in Canada..yet. I do have a Max5 sitting in a box but I can use it on another car later. I'm also banging my head trying to figure out if I can do front motor setup or if I will eventually be forced to do a motor mount flip and run the motor on the rear to achieve 150Mph. I just would rather set it up once than keep rebuilding it. Sorry for the long post...lol. Any ideas are appreciated.
I'd choose the castle 1717 on 8s. Definitely the easiest way to bolt in and have the most amount of power
Would you be able to do a review on the castle copperhead on road esc?
Wow I didn't know he worked for Castle he sells them better than the company does their self but I don't agree with hobbywing being inferior necessarily Mojave Wings always run tried-and-true and it's my castles that I seem to have most of the problem with the castles definitely have the power advantage but it seems like I'm having to Tinker with them constantly and I was kidding about him working for Castle it was just a joke
I wish I worked for Castle. I never stated hobbywing was inferior. Just don't like how they are all plastic on the outside. I never had issues with mine. Had some XLX blow up but hey it's an old esc. I just don't use hobbywing escs.
But xlx2 makes everything hobbywing produces inferior. That is a fact. I won't state it cut throat like that. But this esc is just to today's standards, as it need an update for a long time. It's seriously over calibered for 98% of anyone who buys it- including myself in that number... This esc is another level
love these comparisons, very helpful!
Glad it helped you out!
Where’s the mamba monster x?
I think I failed to mention Newer X series escs. Hence no presence of the MMX. Older platform is basically MM2 with logging and more limiters.
Innovation RC bruhh those old mamba monsters were beasts. Especially the 1 and 2. Not so much the X. I was just wondering why it wasn’t here, that makes sense.
@@99thpeanut59 I unfortunately don't have any of the older ones. You are correct. This is comparing the newer X series escs as I stated prior. Mm1 extreme was a beast
Innovation RC still can’t believe you hit 104mph in a 6th scale monster truck... keep the content coming g
Man love the information. You've helped me so much
Appreciate you liking it. Your benefit!
Regards the MambaX, with a lot of 10th cars are getting close to 8th, Yeti,smt10, losi mt etc, will the MambaX handle these cars on 3-4s with hot motors? i am a newb.
I would say yes it could. But if your wanting to run a true 1/8 motor. Why not run a true 1/8 esc also? 90% of 1/10 vehicles are easily capable to run bigger escs. I'd suggest a castle mamba monster x 6s or mm2 for affordability
Anyone know if truck and buggy esc’s,,,,, can be installed into an 90mm in runner jet?
Probably could I don't see why not
Hello! I bought a Traxxas UDR roller, so I am looking for a good combo now.
What do you guys think about getting the Castle 1515 + Mamba X or Mamba Monster X? Any other recommendations are welcome as well.
Thank you 😊
I would recommend the 1717 1650kv motor over 2200. Size and weight class sod the udr I think needs a bigger can
Question for you what do you think about those new 400 amp ESC on eBay? Would they be good for 12s on a 2028? Or just run a xlx2? Thanks man your the 🐐 in this stuff
What's up, I mean if you intend to run higher voltage then yes the flier 400a esc is decent. But I. Myself doesn't need more than 8s power imo
This is no review, just a comparison of features
Just waiting four my mamba x8s esc be delivered today so I can see what it can do with my 1520 motor
You'll love that esc. Amazing motor to pair up with it
All looking beautiful bro that trx 4 just looks superb and love how you altered the place to make the crawling even cooler 👍👍 made me chuckle when the black one went blasting into the water at the end 😂😂 top stuff as always
Haha appreciate that for sure! Yeah water happens!
🤣🤣 I'm sorry about that comment bro it was meant for rc clans latest video but TH-cam automatically switched to your video so it left it here 🤣🤣 I wasn't even aware what channel it had changed to after I pressed back 🤣🤣 thanks for the reply tho I bet you was thinking this guys on drugs 🤣🤣😂😂
@@zingzing_media all good no worries
So cool 😎
They should change there name to Roman Candle.
So for a K8S bashing environment which ESC is better? 🤔
If you are bashing I normally ran the mamba monster x 8s and was cool. But if you desire to be COLD, lol go with xlx2. Mmx8s already covered bashing criteria for vehicles under 40lbs
Super Informative. This is very knowledgeable!
I am still a novice hobbyist but would love to one day acquire the skills you have.
Greatly appreciate it for sure. I am glad you learned from it. Share the video so others can do the same 😉
THANKYOU! LOVE THIS COMPARISON. NOW I JUS NEED TO GET THE ESC'S!! 🤣 I HAV ALL THE CARS TO PUT EM IN.
Certainly glad you liked the video!
Now if we can get some vehicles with quality diffs that would be nice Arrma
I never had an issue with differentials. I guess it depends might be a defect in a part or something that won't correctly align the gears right from the start
Bonjour puis avoir le sites pour commander svp pour mon kraton 8s
Castle Fireworks Creations! 😂
I've been spiking close to 190A on my Mamba X during speed runs on 3s, should I be worried?
Your fine 😃
@@InnovationRC thanks man good to know, and great video! Whereabouts in Florida are you? That road you run on is fantastic. I'm up in PSL and the best speedrun place we have is a huge warehouse building loading docks lol
What about the MmX(6s)?
Montana Walk
Is that XLX2 capable of 12S? If not, does Castle make any ESC's capable of 12S?
It is 8s max, Castle have the Phoenix Edge Helicopter esc for 12s, has no brakes so you have to use a mechanical brake.
Sorry for the late reply there's hundreds of comments! This xlx2 is made after the original xlx. So same voltage threshold as previous model
Love your vids bro 😎
So what causes no reverse breaking, forward is fine but slams in to forward when applying break from reverse. Thanks for your time.
You may need to recalibrate. If you hit the throttle and the esc is showing a RED light then you are really reverse polarity. Need to recalibrate and ensure you have the wires plugged in the correct terminals
Thanks I'll let u know
U mean calibrate tx to esc
Good info thanks man..👍
What castle motor and ESC would you put in the XRT Traxxas, knowing that it would be used for low speed/high torque( for towing, pushing), some bashing and normal speeds? What pinion and spur gears would be best? Merry Christmas, happy holidays
Good video bro.
Appreciate that for sure!
Is it out for sale yet?
Should be very soon
I'm forced to replace my Hpi savage x v2, I'm afraid that the MMX 8s won't fit...and I'm choosing between the new G2 HW max 8, but they are not very easy to get. I'm curious about what u would do in my situation, I only run 4-6s, but might be smart to purchase 8s capability for the future right?
Very informative. I just purchased the Mamba X for my speedrun build... I guess I should've purchased a Monster X. 😭 lol thanks for your video!
Americo Glen
On Castles website it states that it can handle up to 12s, any truth to that?
That isn't correct. The esc is most capable of 8s voltage. If paired with the 800kv motor. That motor can run up to 12s. Not the esc
4:27 not sure of the MMX but the MMX8s has an aux channel for remote adjustment of user's choice. a big reason why I like the ESC / consider it good value
How many amps do you think the mamba monster x 6s can put out? And why didn't castle put that one in an aluminum case?
The monster x 6s is an old esc! That's why it's plastic. Can handle around 160 amps or so
@@InnovationRC thank you.
I just stretched out my Arrma Typhon 6S. I had the MMX 8S originally in it during my design but had to send it back to Castle, the brakes weren't working. So I had a MMX 6S spare & decided to use it to test out the newly stretched setup. I ran it on 4S, 34T/34T & a 2200kv motor just to get a feel of the new suspension setup. Car pulled 85mph @ 206A. Did 3 passes checking temps between passes. Data log showed a max temp of 167F after the 3rd pass. A little high, but still within spec. I thought 206A was high, but I just saw someone else pull 246A on it, 120mph, also with a 2200kv motor. He did go into thermal cutoff by the end of the run, but dang, surprised that the MMX 6S can push 200A+.
Question for you is it a good idea to make extensions for my motor wire plugs on xlx2 because mine come out often... I've spread out tines on male side just wondering what options I have? Re solder new ones or?? I solder for aerospace industry so I'm qualified lol
Soo what motor/esc combo would be best for my E-Revo 2.0? I'll be running the biggest 6s batteries I can, and mainly high speed runs in open fields.
The ol' Baja 5b Flux that hasn't been ran in 5 years or so might be getting an upgrade soon...
Great video love your speed runs does them xt150 connectors in 6mm and do you recommend them thanks for the great speed runs keep um coming
They are solid connectors rated at 200a I believe. If you plan on speed running I would go 6.5mm or 8mm.
Ok was going to buy a arma typhon 6s v4 for speed and some bashing mostly speed though do you recommend that rc thanks
I wish there was a marine ESC equivalent to these
The Hydras back in the day were awesome... But they are only a memory
Also they don't state motor limits.....😕
They actually under rate some of their motors as well. It's basically warranty related. Don't exactly know why.
I used the xlx2 with a Neumotor 1530/0.75d and 6s 120c smc pack. In a limitless of course...I reached 50+mph speed covering a distance of only 242 meters...guess if I kept going I would've reached the 100s easily. The esc was stone cold, but the motor was hot REALLY hot...gearing was 37 spur and 33 pinion. Motor Kv is 2650/v.
You geared a 2650kv motor with a 33t pinion???🤦🤦🤦You are INSANE!!!🤣🤣🤣And you said your motor got REALLY hot??? I'm surprised the motor didn't just stop working completely from you melting the insides🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯
@@kenricknelson310 that's exactly what neumotors are made for....gearing them to heaven!
@@teacheroftheages Yeah but you said that your motor got "REALLY hot"...So that's a "CLASSIC" tall tale sign of maybe you might want to lower that gearing some for that motor🤣🤣🤣, besides there's no way you would have hit 100mph "EASILY" if#1 it took 793ft for you to hit 50mph etc...and#2with your motor heating up that fast with just one pass. But I'm sure that you're going to give me all the reasons why I am wrong so enjoy your Neu motor sir👍👍👍😎😎😎💯💯💯
@@kenricknelson310 I don't even care
....I haven't used the car for well over a year ......enjoy your rides pal
Good knowledge bro. Thx for sharing
Appreciate you watching sir
Awesome
Hello. I was told by a couple people that the xlx is better for just bashing because the wires are soldered to the board. I do alot of jumping. They also said the xlx2 isn't good for bashing because it's only the bullets soldered to the board and the bullets come off easily. What is your opinion on this?
Nice! Luv the info. Definitely helps me make a choice for my X-MAXX, "SHELBY".
THANXSOMUCH, KEEP ON BASHING !
What is weird is there are a TON of XLX2 reviews done on or right around Sept. 23rd of 2020. I wonder why that is...
My xlx2 that was my Christmas gift from my girlfriend made my kraton go up in flames. I have no idea why. 😢
i love there esc's. been running them since 2005.
Amazing escs. Definitely come a long way
i have a 1/10th scale E-revo brushless V1 i want more power and speed out of it what set up should i go with ?
Have you or anyone on here ran the mama x on 6s yet? Does it hold up?
Yes I have. It holds up ok, gets warm after 10 or so minutes. Except I ran it in a 1/8 buggy so it's expected. Running 3-5s is solid all around with decent temperatures
@@InnovationRC thanks man thats good to know. I have a 2wd rustler with the 1515 motor I've been setting up for speed runs that im running it with tell i get my mmx8s in. I just don't wanna burn it down when I have a bigger esc laying around.
Wow !
Awesome info. Thanks
Glad you liked it
Wonder how the xlx2 does for bashing I know you just do speed runs
I did run it a bunch of times over 100 mph in the infraction.
I wish I could turn my 1/5 Kraton back to an off-road basher but I have too much time invested into the tune, setup and project.
@@InnovationRC I like that it has the same foot print as the max5 so it would be a easy swap...but I do wish that hobby wing would step it up and make thier max6 and 5 more capable of doing what they are capable of doing cause the software is limiting thier Capabilities
Right now I'm looking at the castle 8s to swap out the max6 in my infraction hooner lol but sucks it's on backorder
Thanks for the great video!!
Yessir anytime!
Nice
Love your Reviews bro🔥🔥🔥🔥💪🏾
Thank you! More to come
Do you think you could fit the XLX2 under an infraction body without cutting up too much?
Well I cut the bed to my infraction... I guess a yes? Lol
It would be overkill the mmx8s in the infraction with a 1717 already makes the tires literally smoke. And you waste them in 10 mins flat drifting. This would be like 4x the power
Shawn Johnson no but esc thermals for speed runs can improve.
@@TKO593 i run it the mmx8s in am 80 mph xmaxx and a dbxl, just slap a better fan on the esc and you won't have any heat.issues. look for a 1amp+ 40x40x29 server fan it Will bolt right on the .mmx8s
Hey what good motors can i pair with the xlx2?
Somebody should do a castle and mgm comparison video.
Can the XLX2 handle running 2 Powerhobby 4S 15.2V 9000mah 120c Graphene Lipo Batteries or would that be above its voltage limit?
None of castles ESCs recommend running high voltage lipos. Your unit may be able to handle it, but they're not technically rated for it.
Hi! I have a question so please bear with me as I am relatively new at this! You mentioned that based on your data, the Monster 8s is 350 A + and the XLX2 is 500 A +!
Is this the maximum peak current or the maximum continuous current?
Thanks a lot!
That’s gonna have to be burst peaks. The wires cannot physically carry that much current continuously. Even for 150A continuous in stranded copper wire, you’d need 1/O sized wire, which is very large. Picture arc welding cable.
Why castle doesn't write motor limits on escs ?🤔
Can the xlx2 run on 12s?
No 8s at most
First like 😊
Thank you!
For power handling where would rate the max 5 and 6.
Max 6 states it's a 160a esc. Max 5 is a 200a esc. They are also waterproof which is great, but can't data log and very limited tuning abilities. I feel in a larger scale vehicle Mamba monster x 8s gives the max 5 a run for its money...
@@InnovationRC thanks. I knew the numbers on the hobbywing but different manufacturers see "continuous" differently. I have to get these new castle escs to test. I have 2 of the xlx ones and they have been great.
I low key stated constant amp ratings. Because it's really different for all setups and people but this is going off of personal data. Regarding amperage, Castle is far superior over hobbywing. With the new xlx2 it's now insanely efficient and can handle the constant amperage. This will be a game changer
@@InnovationRC Thanks.