The first and second are classics. That being said, I thought that Terminator salvation was a solid effort to keep the franchise going with a different setting. T3 was just good fun with great ending. Terminator Genisys & Dark Fate were bland.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who had fun watching T3. I also liked the first Transformers… I think back then I was tired of action movies trying to be serious lol
Genisys and Dark Fate are equally bad for different reasons. The former turned John Connor into the bad guy in a completely bone-headed and tone-deaf attempt at rebooting the entire franchise, which ended up turning it into a convoluted mishmash of time travel, technobabble and butchered characterization. The latter just killed off John Connor and had him replaced with a worthless cardboard cutout on top of establishing that Judgment Day can't be stopped and that erasing Skynet only allowed some other evil AI to take its place...which promptly raises the question as to why anyone even bothers and why we should even care about their worthless struggles. Genisys shamelessly violated the source material while Dark Fate threw its core themes into a trash bin, set it on fire and pissed on its ashes.
I went on t2 3d in 98 when I was 12 and it was the most amazing experience ever for a terminator fan. Such a shame they got rid of it. It was really groundbreaking
John Connor in Terminator 3 was less the savior of mankind and more "Militant Bud Bundy". every Terminator movie after 3 was basically "OK lets see how many sharks they can jump" for me. sure the sequels(after T2) all had some stuff I really liked, but none compare to T1&T2.
@@JohnClark-tt2bl those early model terminators were a positive(expect for the hunter killers), some of the effects looked good when when they blended the practical effects with CGI only being used to clean it up(the pure CGI stuff was not great). but that aside it's another disappointment from a franchise that started off strong.
@@drop_messages6226 😂 if it was Ted instead, that would be extreme, Bale would be the only John Connor to pull off that Bundy. He's Bud Bundy all the way
@@patrickcharles6983 True. Atlease in T2 , Edward Furlong character went and saved his mom (with a lot of help from the t-800), but atleast that added some depth to the John Connor character. Part of the reason T3 was so forgetable, was there was no reason to care about the characters. T3, was the "talk to the hand" of the franchise.
@@ExtremeMadnessX I mentioned it in another comment, but I enjoy the first four films without reservation, because I like the fact that each one is a different take on time travel. In one, you can't change time it's a linear path. In two, you can change the future nothing is set in stone. And in the third film, you can't really alter the future reality will adapt to cover it. From a technical standpoint Genesis continues the idea with this time it's based on the Multiverse concept, and I really wish it had done well enough for them to at least do the second movie in the proposed Trilogy, I would pay a lot of money to see a big-budget CGI spectacle of armies of alternate reality Terminators fighting each other over the reality
there is a plot hole in T2, Arnold loses his arm while fighting the T1000, however that arm is never thrown into the molten steel. There is still something left behind to reverse engineer.
I do remember this. The arm tossed in was the one for 1. You’re right they never grabbed the one in the gear Arnold lost his arm in two But it might explain why the war really started. Since 3 reiterated the war was inevitable. There may have been multiple terminators sent at different time points, leaving different parts everywhere since time travel was so easy to do. Which would have been a better explanation than, inevitable. lol
@Youngoe761 Did you hear what the original idea for the ending was??? John Conner DIES... But they implant his brain into Marcus and that's how no matter how long the series continues... John Conner always defeats Skynet! Personally, I wish they had used that ending! It Plugs up a major Plot Hole in the whole franchise that otherwise can only be filled by my own ideas that John Conner becomes an IDEA, A LEGACY... So he does not need to be Alive for Skynet to fall at the hands of John Conner!!! He was the one who started the fight BEFORE Skynet was created... And His Inspiration is what makes Skynet Lose!
The 1st Terminator is my favorite of the series, I always assumed that the Terminator was his size to cover the robotic endoskeleton, an his accent was just because that as close to a natural voice as it could make.
Terminator Genisys is the worst by far, not only was it unsatisfied with being a bad movie on its own, but it also had the audacity to try to erase the first two GOOD movies in the canon as well.
The Terminator ride is gone in California as well… Great episode guys, T2 will always be nostalgic and my favorite. So glad to hear you guys quote the T-1000 lines “THE GALLERIA?” 🤣
The Sarah Conner Chronicles is the best thing in the Terminator franchise after the first two movies. It's too bad that it got canceled and never got a true conclusion.
T3 definitely is *not* the *Worst* in the franchise....I'll watch Rise of the Machines any day over Dark Fate and Genisys. Plus, T3 makes sense because let's face it, EVERY movie even the first 2 reference the future war against the machines, but we never see this happening or starting so T3 was great in my book, the one movie that showed this happening instead of just a reference. And no way RC is better than every Terminator lol, T2 destroys every RC lol.
Dark Fate made Rise Of The Machines look like a much better T3. We learned that if Sarah had the good graces to just die of leukaemia John would have survived.
I think they say in T2 that it's been 10 years since the first. So movie actually takes place in 94. The Extended Cut doesn't end with Sarah in the park, that's just included on the disc as a deleted scene. I feel like T3 might work better if they edited out a lot of the goofier moments. Still a step down in the series. Dark Fate is the technically best made of them after T2...but the story is just so lazy and the Alien 3 opening so unforgivable, I hate it the most of all.
I always HATED the T2 trailer. What is it with trailers to movies wanting to spoil themselves? That's not how you pull people in. It should've framed it up so that it looked like the T1000 was just a regular cop who acts as the new Kyle Reese of sorts. The big twist of the movie isn't that big a twist when you literally spelled it out for everyone in the preview.
there is a reaction channel on TH-cam called Popcorn in Bed with this blonde girl.. who hasn't seen any of the most popular and awesome movies. So when she watched the first Terminator, she knew nothing about it other then an Arnold movie and was surprised he was the bad guy.. She knew nothing about T2... so watching her reaction to the reveal of the T1000 and Arnold being there to protect.. that was priceless...
The only good thing T3 contributed was the ending: judgment day being inevitable. Dark Fate and Genisys are both bad fan fiction, but Genisys was a tad bit more "fun". Salvation was okay, the first one is a classic slasher, and 2 is the perfect sequel.
Though, it did go against the whole point of 2, which was the ending of the series. Until they followed Gogert from "Spaceballs" advice of; "The search for more money." "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." The original ending was more happy and final compared to what they went with. They knew T-2 was going to be big and wanted to leave it open/ended instead of closed/ended. 3 is still good, though. More comedy than the others but, compared to the other instalments, (Minus Salvation) lost the point, entirely, and got worse as they went on.
Terminator 2 takes place in 1997, which is indicated by a blink and you miss it moment when The Terminator is analyzing something in his “Terminator Vision.” It also is another example of why 1997 is the scariest year in all of science fiction.
#1-Terminator 2-The best of the franchise. #2-Terminator-A close 2nd with such a brilliant premise. #3-Terminator: Salvation-Unworthy of the franchise but a decent standalone popcorn movie that stands out for it's uniqueness even without Arnold. #4-Terminator 3-Very dumb, very campy, very cringey but still watchable. #5-Terminator: Dark Fate-A miserable experience and a chore to sit through but slightly better written than Genesis (arguably). #6-Terminator: Genesis-Everything bad about T3 but amplified. Objectively the worst Terminator movie but not as miserable as Dark Fate.
A lot of people sleep on Salvation, but I’ve always thought it was pretty good. Yeah it’s slower paced than the others, but that’s not an issue for me. I think it did a good job with the world building.
Plus salvation was going in the right direction for sequels the future war. And I would argue it's the second best sequel with T2 being the Pinnacle of Terminator.
@@bobmclovinelectricboogaloo Future war was the logical, and frankly only, progression from the ending of the previous film. If another one HAD to be made, that's the best possible premise.
His name was Harlan Ellison. You'd think a hyper obsessed "know it all" like Tony would bother to know the name of the most influential sci fi writer of the last century
22:27 another continuity error i always noticed- the front windshields on the black mack truck clearly come out of the truck when the t1000 goes off the overpass to chase JC's dirtbike. Then a bit later the roof gets taken off of the same truck and the t1000 again pushes the windshield out.
I think the only reason that the T-1000 couldn't form things like bombs and guns is because of the complex components that's within them. "Knives and stabbing weapons" are more solid, simple, and less complicated to produce.
It's funny, if you watch the; "Ordinary gamer podcast," the point Mutamar made about T-2. How, hacking in videogames has become even worse and hard to detect, thanks to AI. And, how companies, now, are trying to combat the AI problem by having anticheat AI fight against cheating AI. He brought up the scene of how he pictured it where the T-800 is pretending to be John while talking to T-1000. "Hey Janelle, what's wrong with Wolfie? I can hear him barking." A perfect example of two AI trying to out think each other in real time.
T3 is JUDGEMENT DAY realized. Not as good as T2 but SO Happy they made this with the ending of "Maybe the future has been written and I'll never stop fighting"
Arnold didn't want to say I'll be Back because he thought a robot would say " I will be back ". But then if the robot is smart enough , it could be considered a better way to blend in saying "I'll" . 😂
Worst-Genisys, bad-Dark fate, T 3, Salvation least tried and did something different. as for the line, james said ''I don't tell you to act, don't tell me how to direct/write'' Arnold felt I will be back sounded more machine like.
What did T3 try to do differently? Except for really bad comedy. Like they basically took the script to T2 and reworked it. It feels so much like a parody to T2.
@@faz1483 Salvation is the one that did things different and tried. it's in the future during the war, not the exact future, but compared to 3, dark fate and Genisys, it's not a copy paste, Genisys and dark fate copied Salvation's Terminator thinking it's human (which got old and fast)
Arnold isn't some puny little girly man who would die from getting thrown into the wall of a video store. He would just get up, and Tony would need a new wall.
As bad as all of the later movies are, I do like how all of them add a new Terminator in them. It makes it so that, in a weird way, the Terminator franchise has a fantastic beastiary. Dang, now I have to play that TTRPG asap lol.
Harlan Elison wrote an Outer Limits episode 'Soldier'. The plot involves 2 soldiers from different sides in a future war who time travel to the current day and continue trying to eliminate each other. The irony of not hiring Edward Furlong for T3, and the John Connor character being effed up on booze and drugs.
I always get confused. I thought that Harlan Ellison's complaint was based on the story demon with a glass hand, not Soldier. And I know a movie called Soldier was put out by Paul WS Anderson, which was an adaptation of a Philip K Dick's story. I'm not accusing you of missing something, because every time I look up stories behind Ellison and Terminator, and Soldier and Paul WS Anderson, I get my wires crossed.
@@cthulhupthagn5771 I think it says 'the works of Harlan Elison' as 'Demon With a Glass Hand', is another time travel story, about a robot from the future trying to ensure the survival of the human race by escaping into the past after an alien invasion in the future. He may have other famous time travel stories too...
Terminator 3 will always be the worst for me. I was little when judgment they came out in that’s one of the first movies. I remember seeing they hyped up the third movie for years and it ended up being a total piece of shit.
I love Terminator 3, no cap. It's just a fun movie. I always have a good time with it. Obviously it's not better than T1 and T2 but it is better than the ones after
I was on board with Terminator from day one, I was 8 years old and remember seeing a clip on TV of Arnold with the robotic eye and told my dad we had to see this film, Arnold was yet to become the biggest star in the universe so I just knew him from Conan The Barbarian.
Surprised the love for Salvation, I thought it was written in off brand crayola crayons personally. Not only disappointing but a mostly terrible film. Also Bale's acting was hilariously bad just staring into the camera with batman duck face for 80% of his screen time. The stakes of the future weren't very believable, killing machines that had worse aim than storm troopers. Just all the tropes of modern garbage imo. T3 was at least stupid fun, T4 was yeah this franchise is dead.
My ranking (best to worst): 1. T2: Judgement Day (The best) 2. T1 (The original) 3. The Sarah Conner Chronicles (A good show. Shame it was cancelled) 4. T3: Rise of the Machines (Overhated. The "talk to the hand" scene is my favorite part) 5. Salvation (If the writers strike didn't happen, it would have been better) 6. Dark Fate (The only good parts are the Rev-9, Carl, and Grace) 7. Genisys (The worst. Not even Matt Smith's talent could save that turd of a movie)
Dark fate is the worst for me by miles boring nothing new terrible acting and destroyed Sarah Connor and killed John Connor only to replace them with c movie knock offs
I remember seeing the t1000’s multi arms in the helicopter and for the longest time thought it was a movie mistake before my brain finally clicked that he grew more arms
I fully confess I saw Terminator: Genisys TWICE in theaters. So at that time period, a few friends and I would have a game night. During the said game night, I told them how awful this movie was. They didn't believe me. They thought I was talking bullshit about how awful it was. So that very night we saw it in theaters in a theater that served alcohol. I just kept hitting the booze and just taking in their reactions of them more than the damn movie. I just remember the look on ALL their faces and me just cackling afterward. So began our bad movie night. Though we kind of stopped when the pandemic hit.
I really love the placement of the holographic terminator laser disc collection. The image in the middle of the box changes constantly as you are cutting between angles.
Terminator 3 is in another league. the machine apocalypse is inevitable, even if it was stalled in the 80's, and 90's, someone will create the internet
So, I know I’m coming to this late, but I think you guys touched up on a pretty interesting thought experiment. While there’s no way it would’ve saved the movie, it would’ve been WAY more interesting if there was a scene where the Rev-9 looked at Arnie and was just like “I’m sorry, who the fuck are you, exactly?” 😮
6:30 Harlan Ellison was a guy who divided people with his trigger-happy approach to litigation... But Cameron got lucky that time because Ellison loved the T1 movie so much he practically gave Cameron a free pass... Only provision for that free pass was Ellison being credited on the credits. But the backstage tales of Cameron telling people he ripped Ellison off didn't help the matter too much...
The general premise for Salvation (by general premise, I really just mean the concept of having a film take place during the future war) had potential, but Salvation took that potential and threw it in the garbage in favor of bland nothingness. Cameron handed them a visually interesting environment on a silver platter and they threw it away in favor of desaturated greys and browns. Actually, scratch that, 'brown' implies the film had color instead of being the washed out pale looking mess of bland that it was, my mistake.
The rear projection in T2 is, kinda bad. Still a masterpiece. I'm surprised gynisesy* is rated above salvation and dark fate. Dark fate was crap, but I didn't hate it. Genysis genisys* I just hated it man.
I believe the T1000 coming through the time portal was because it does arrive with a human skin, why he likely killed the police officer and actually stole clothes and wore the clothes up to the pursuit on bike when the truck cab blows up. It's only then we see a fully liquid T1000 emerging from the flames everything after that he's no longer wearing the clothes he's replicating the same look he started with
I got one for you! In terminator salvation, how the hell was both the transport carrier and that giant harvester so friggin quiet when they show up at that 7 Eleven?
My favorites: 1. T2 2. The Terminator 3. Terminator Salvation 4. Terminator Genesys Terminator Dark Fate was awful. Although I didn't mind seeing Edward Furlong as John Connor getting killed.
Trick question y’all. Just watch the first two movies, then immediately ignore everything else EXCEPT Terminator: Resistance. Just play the shit out of that game and pretend it’s the actual 3rd movie lol
Genesys is the worst *because* Jai Courtney is in it. Kyle Reese going from two awesome character actors like Michael Biehn & Anton Yelchon to a clown ass like Jai Courtney is such a letdown.
as soon as Tony brought up the accent dubbing. instantly thought of the deleted scene from T3. it shows Arnold as a Sargent that skynet based the T-800's appearance on, he had a southern accent, the Arnold voice came from a board member 😆
I love that scene, but it's easy to figure out why it was deleted: nobody arrested Sgt Candy in either 1984 or 1992-ish. No way he'd be there if there's an uncaught serial killer who looks exactly like him.
@@almightycinder i completely agree. Sgt.Candy would definitely be doing time because of the T-800. T2 is actually set in 1995, judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997.
IMO, it’s T3 Rise of the Machines because it gave us nothing new worthwhile in the franchise and over reliance on bad CGI. Kate was a underwhelming character and the T-X was no where near as cool as the T-1000. And yea, the bar scene…
"Talk to the hand" is the exact second this franchise turned to complete garbage. And your're right, T3 is simply a parody of T2. The TX is the lamest villain in the franchise. You go from T1000 to a hot chick making her boobs bigger? Can't believe that's actually in a Terminator film.
At least it wasn't dark-woke fate, gg that movie was just the worst from the beginning to end. It has nothing worth seeing at all. Also the only one (made in my lifetime, or rather not too young, though I saw 1-2 at a young age) I skipped seeing in the theatres.
@@oneandonlysound99 While I get your point that Dark Fate was just a cash grab attempt, at least it had New ideas. Granted they were mostly TERRIBLE ideas, but new nonetheless!
T2 takes place in 1994. You see the year when the T-1000 looks up John on the police computer. The Special Edition also ends the same way as the theatrical cut, but there is a "extended special edition" that features the future ending and a scene earlier on where the T-1000 searches John's room
Over the 12 years I worked at Disney and universal studios in Orlando 11 different jobs i did security for a handful of months and one of my jobs was to check the gun case at that ride! Every gun used in the show had to be counted Daily and back then in 2005 it was handwritten on a clipboard. I got to meet and talk to the lookalike actors! If curious to the other 10 jobs it was ride operator, photographer, boat rentals, several restaurants on property and several shops, AMC theater, arcade attendant, credit card sales and entertainment. Worked in the parks at the shopping areas and the resorts! Oh and sidebar I saw the third on a air force base when I was active duty and the point where they blame the air force for starting judgment day did not go over well in that theater!!!
How could you not love Ghostbusters: Afterlife!? You're the Devil! * I'm not serious by the way. I really enjoyed Afterlife myself. That doesn't mean everyone else has to though.
You guys are all great. I was surprised your friend liked the extended cut of T2. I thought that Park scene at the end was awful and doesn't fit the vibe of the film at all. Theatrical cut all the way. They cut the stupid smile scene out and the scene where Reese comes back. Those are so so bad.
For me, T2 is a real mess of a movie, but I completely agree with your statements. T2's theatrical cut is the only cut I can sit through, and even though it's bad, the special edition is certainly worse much worse.
I'd rank them as follows, The Terminator and T2 are fantastic, Terminator 3 is pretty bad, Terminator Salvation goes in a different direction but is pretty bland and with awkward weird casting choices, Terminator Genisys is juvenile and cringeworthy and Terminator Dark Fate is frustrating, uninspired and feels like a dead end. Stick with the first two, go no further as far as legit good/great action sci fi movies go
the original is great. think about what it was able to conjure up in the mind and on the screen. the rest of the them are just awful. even 2. saw the original on a bootleg vhs back in the 80s. the only thing i don't like in the original is the truck blowing up effect (believe they had to re-make it after a problem) that looks like a tin toy as the front comes off (and obviously its best not to think too much about how reece is johns future/past dad somehow. that makes no sense).
I agree T1 is the best film in the franchise and technically it should have been the only film. Narratively none of the sequels can really exist in the context of T1's story. I do love T3 and for me it's really the only good sequel, but all of the other sequels including T2 really went in a terrible direction and had very dumb ideas. With T2 being mainly responsible for all of it.
You're right. I can't watch this knowing that you think Robocop is better than the first two Terminator movies. I can't respect anything you have to say.
Salvation would have been damn good with some rewrites and set a little further in the future war. I remember being pretty pissed off that we going to get the purple laser guns and the skulls and all that.
@@pauliewalnuts2527 For me personally if you get over the tonal shift from serious to goofy and the fact that the story totally spits in the face of T2’s ending. I think 3 is a lot of fun because of the action scenes especially the crane scene. Not nearly as good as the first two but it’s nice to have another terminator with Arnold relatively in his prime.
@@pauliewalnuts2527 I can see that, like I said it completely spits in the face of T2’s amazing ending about fate and such. I have a different opinion on that I would actually say it blends in rather than standing out. When people talk about bad terminator movies it’s either salvation, genesys, and dark fate but T3 is kinda just hand waved as alright nothing too egregious unlike parts of the other movies.
Fun fact: T2 takes place in the future of 1995. The police computer shows John Connor's age as 10, and his year of birth at 1985. Also, the guy taking photos at the mall is played by one of the cops from T1. I like the theory that he's the same character, and this off-duty cop ran into the guy responsible for shooting up his precinct.
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The first and second are classics. That being said, I thought that Terminator salvation was a solid effort to keep the franchise going with a different setting. T3 was just good fun with great ending. Terminator Genisys & Dark Fate were bland.
I enjoyed Salvation. 1&2 are really the only ones worth watching IMO
Salvation had some good ideas... OK one or two good ideas and was probably the only way for the franchise to go was set in the future.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who had fun watching T3. I also liked the first Transformers… I think back then I was tired of action movies trying to be serious lol
I too enjoyed salvation and felt it was overly criticized. Liked the idea of Skynet playing with Hybrids. They’re the future after all.
Making hybrids was a great idea they should've kept that.
Fun Fact: When Robert Patrick was chasing Edward Furlong on the bike in the parking garage, he was able to catch up to him so they had to reshoot it.
Fun fact- fun facts are getting old and overused
@@VenusHeadTrap2 give the man a break. There’s worse people out there commenting lol
Yeah that’s because he was method acting and *actually became a terminator* for this role
@@VenusHeadTrap2 haha aren't they just.
Woah
The T3 Sergeant Candy deleted scene is like watching an alternate universe Terminator film made by Paul Verhooven
"We can fix it"
It really does feel like something out of Robocop. I never realized it before, but now that you've brought up the comparison, I can't unsee it.
It really does, doesn’t it haha.
Genisys and Dark Fate are equally bad for different reasons.
The former turned John Connor into the bad guy in a completely bone-headed and tone-deaf attempt at rebooting the entire franchise, which ended up turning it into a convoluted mishmash of time travel, technobabble and butchered characterization.
The latter just killed off John Connor and had him replaced with a worthless cardboard cutout on top of establishing that Judgment Day can't be stopped and that erasing Skynet only allowed some other evil AI to take its place...which promptly raises the question as to why anyone even bothers and why we should even care about their worthless struggles.
Genisys shamelessly violated the source material while Dark Fate threw its core themes into a trash bin, set it on fire and pissed on its ashes.
I went on t2 3d in 98 when I was 12 and it was the most amazing experience ever for a terminator fan. Such a shame they got rid of it. It was really groundbreaking
It was great
It was and is unreal
17:20 yes, T1 was made in 1984. And T2 was made in 1991. BUT, T2 was set about 10 years after part 1. So, it takes place in ‘94 or ‘95.
John Connor in Terminator 3 was less the savior of mankind and more "Militant Bud Bundy". every Terminator movie after 3 was basically "OK lets see how many sharks they can jump" for me. sure the sequels(after T2) all had some stuff I really liked, but none compare to T1&T2.
I read that as "Militant Ted Bundy" then I re read it. That would be extreme.
Best part of T3 was seeing the early terminator models near the end. They didn't make up for the rest of it though.
@@JohnClark-tt2bl those early model terminators were a positive(expect for the hunter killers), some of the effects looked good when when they blended the practical effects with CGI only being used to clean it up(the pure CGI stuff was not great). but that aside it's another disappointment from a franchise that started off strong.
@@drop_messages6226 😂 if it was Ted instead, that would be extreme, Bale would be the only John Connor to pull off that Bundy. He's Bud Bundy all the way
@@patrickcharles6983 True. Atlease in T2 , Edward Furlong character went and saved his mom (with a lot of help from the t-800), but atleast that added some depth to the John Connor character. Part of the reason T3 was so forgetable, was there was no reason to care about the characters.
T3, was the "talk to the hand" of the franchise.
They've gotten immensely worse with each iteration after T3, also I really liked Salvation. To me, that was the last good Terminator movie
Salvation at least try to have different story and not another lazy rehash of originals.
@@ExtremeMadnessX I mentioned it in another comment, but I enjoy the first four films without reservation, because I like the fact that each one is a different take on time travel. In one, you can't change time it's a linear path. In two, you can change the future nothing is set in stone. And in the third film, you can't really alter the future reality will adapt to cover it. From a technical standpoint Genesis continues the idea with this time it's based on the Multiverse concept, and I really wish it had done well enough for them to at least do the second movie in the proposed Trilogy, I would pay a lot of money to see a big-budget CGI spectacle of armies of alternate reality Terminators fighting each other over the reality
True.
Paying christian bale just wasnt worth it i guess...
Bro when salvation came out i thought the series was revived then they changed it up
there's a FAN film T7 Algorithm being made, you can find the trailer and a 6 minute preview on youtube.
Germanic accents weren't unusual in 80s LA. There were those dudes scoping Nakatomi.
T2 takes place in 1995 based on John Connor's police file the T-1000 looks at stating he's 10 yrs old and born in 1985.
there is a plot hole in T2, Arnold loses his arm while fighting the T1000, however that arm is never thrown into the molten steel. There is still something left behind to reverse engineer.
I do remember this. The arm tossed in was the one for 1. You’re right they never grabbed the one in the gear Arnold lost his arm in two But it might explain why the war really started. Since 3 reiterated the war was inevitable. There may have been multiple terminators sent at different time points, leaving different parts everywhere since time travel was so easy to do. Which would have been a better explanation than, inevitable. lol
In the trailer for Salvation, they gave away that Marcus was a machine. That would have been a great twist.
At least they stayed consistent enough to show John Connor being a Terminator in the Genisys trailer^^
I mean it's par for the course. T2's trailer gave away that Arnold was the good one this time
Good thing I didn’t see the trailer
@Youngoe761 Did you hear what the original idea for the ending was??? John Conner DIES... But they implant his brain into Marcus and that's how no matter how long the series continues... John Conner always defeats Skynet! Personally, I wish they had used that ending! It Plugs up a major Plot Hole in the whole franchise that otherwise can only be filled by my own ideas that John Conner becomes an IDEA, A LEGACY... So he does not need to be Alive for Skynet to fall at the hands of John Conner!!! He was the one who started the fight BEFORE Skynet was created... And His Inspiration is what makes Skynet Lose!
The 1st Terminator is my favorite of the series, I always assumed that the Terminator was his size to cover the robotic endoskeleton, an his accent was just because that as close to a natural voice as it could make.
Terminator Genisys is the worst by far, not only was it unsatisfied with being a bad movie on its own, but it also had the audacity to try to erase the first two GOOD movies in the canon as well.
The fact Tony doesn't realize T2 takes place in 95' and says John Connor was 7 years old 🤦♂️and thinks he's poking holes 🤣
The last two terminators are the worst movies in the series undoubtedly. And the best sequel outside of T2 is salvation.
Most definitely in the order of T-2, Terminator, and Salvation. 3 was, meh. But, better than what came after it, minus "Salvation."
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Nah genisy and salvation are easily the worst
@@MonkeyBone316v1 that's my order as well.
Salvation is hot steaming late 2000s garbage.
The Terminator ride is gone in California as well… Great episode guys, T2 will always be nostalgic and my favorite. So glad to hear you guys quote the T-1000 lines “THE GALLERIA?” 🤣
The Sarah Conner Chronicles is the best thing in the Terminator franchise after the first two movies. It's too bad that it got canceled and never got a true conclusion.
Loved the cast, and story. Even taking a spin on the films, but adapting in a smart way expanding the series. Bummer it was cancelled
Criminally over looked and under rated.
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@@kadosho02canceled on a cliffhanger
@@nordtwentysix indeed it was
T3 definitely is *not* the *Worst* in the franchise....I'll watch Rise of the Machines any day over Dark Fate and Genisys. Plus, T3 makes sense because let's face it, EVERY movie even the first 2 reference the future war against the machines, but we never see this happening or starting so T3 was great in my book, the one movie that showed this happening instead of just a reference. And no way RC is better than every Terminator lol, T2 destroys every RC lol.
Dark Fate made Rise Of The Machines look like a much better T3.
We learned that if Sarah had the good graces to just die of leukaemia John would have survived.
I think they say in T2 that it's been 10 years since the first. So movie actually takes place in 94. The Extended Cut doesn't end with Sarah in the park, that's just included on the disc as a deleted scene.
I feel like T3 might work better if they edited out a lot of the goofier moments. Still a step down in the series.
Dark Fate is the technically best made of them after T2...but the story is just so lazy and the Alien 3 opening so unforgivable, I hate it the most of all.
Dark fate was the worst and also woke
Dark Fate is straight up insulting with that intro
I always HATED the T2 trailer. What is it with trailers to movies wanting to spoil themselves? That's not how you pull people in. It should've framed it up so that it looked like the T1000 was just a regular cop who acts as the new Kyle Reese of sorts. The big twist of the movie isn't that big a twist when you literally spelled it out for everyone in the preview.
there is a reaction channel on TH-cam called Popcorn in Bed with this blonde girl.. who hasn't seen any of the most popular and awesome movies. So when she watched the first Terminator, she knew nothing about it other then an Arnold movie and was surprised he was the bad guy.. She knew nothing about T2... so watching her reaction to the reveal of the T1000 and Arnold being there to protect.. that was priceless...
@@jamespetkwitz8737 And she's one of the lucky ones who didn't have that ruined for her by a terrible preview.
The original "building the perfect Arnie" teaser trailer was perfect, the later trailers were crap.
@@milesipka it was called how to build the perfect terminator
The only good thing T3 contributed was the ending: judgment day being inevitable. Dark Fate and Genisys are both bad fan fiction, but Genisys was a tad bit more "fun". Salvation was okay, the first one is a classic slasher, and 2 is the perfect sequel.
Though, it did go against the whole point of 2, which was the ending of the series. Until they followed Gogert from "Spaceballs" advice of; "The search for more money."
"There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." The original ending was more happy and final compared to what they went with. They knew T-2 was going to be big and wanted to leave it open/ended instead of closed/ended.
3 is still good, though. More comedy than the others but, compared to the other instalments, (Minus Salvation) lost the point, entirely, and got worse as they went on.
Have to disagree Genisys was "fun". I think the correct word is cringeworthy.
@@faz1483 dark fate was worse.
At least they finally showed skynet in robot form and the t 3000
@@troymcclure681 They are both absolute garbage. Nothing special about the T3000 to me.
Terminator 2 takes place in 1997, which is indicated by a blink and you miss it moment when The Terminator is analyzing something in his “Terminator Vision.” It also is another example of why 1997 is the scariest year in all of science fiction.
#1-Terminator 2-The best of the franchise.
#2-Terminator-A close 2nd with such a brilliant premise.
#3-Terminator: Salvation-Unworthy of the franchise but a decent standalone popcorn movie that stands out for it's uniqueness even without Arnold.
#4-Terminator 3-Very dumb, very campy, very cringey but still watchable.
#5-Terminator: Dark Fate-A miserable experience and a chore to sit through but slightly better written than Genesis (arguably).
#6-Terminator: Genesis-Everything bad about T3 but amplified. Objectively the worst Terminator movie but not as miserable as Dark Fate.
That one Robocop movie is better than any Terminator movie? That's a BOLD Statement my friend.
I stand by it
@@HackTheMovies you're such a Hack...lol 😉
A lot of people sleep on Salvation, but I’ve always thought it was pretty good. Yeah it’s slower paced than the others, but that’s not an issue for me. I think it did a good job with the world building.
Plus salvation was going in the right direction for sequels the future war. And I would argue it's the second best sequel with T2 being the Pinnacle of Terminator.
@@bobmclovinelectricboogaloo Future war was the logical, and frankly only, progression from the ending of the previous film. If another one HAD to be made, that's the best possible premise.
While flawed, it's still the 3rd best Terminator movie.
The only part I didn’t like was the cheap Arnie Cgi fight.
No Furlong, no John Connor
His name was Harlan Ellison. You'd think a hyper obsessed "know it all" like Tony would bother to know the name of the most influential sci fi writer of the last century
I think Asimov might have something to say about that
@@Guardian978 azamov is up there but his work lacks Ellison's charisma
Who else's dad introduced them to Terminator? Shout out to badass dads.
The guy in the middle does a GREAT T-1000 impression.
This is now my go to youtube show for movies and just to veg out. And love When Joe is on
Check out his channel too
The fact that DF isn't on the thumbnail is maddening
It is. I put the Rev 9 behind Arnold. Did you forget that's what the terminator looked like in that movie? I don't blame you. It is forgettable.
The legion stuff in dark fate is so boring basically a worse version of skynet
@@HackTheMovies So bad it vanished from our perceptions.
The chip/mirror scene is a masterpiece of filmmaking and I'm flabbergasted it was cut from the theatrical release.
22:27
another continuity error i always noticed-
the front windshields on the black mack truck clearly come out of the truck when the t1000 goes off the overpass to chase JC's dirtbike.
Then a bit later the roof gets taken off of the same truck and the t1000 again pushes the windshield out.
Jim digitally fixed that along with Arnold's stunt double on the bike in the re-release of 2017
Dark Fate. Hands down.
As the best of the four yes
No. As multiple characters in this franchise have said, 'Get out.'
genisys is a technically worse movie, dark fate is at least competently made
I think the only reason that the T-1000 couldn't form things like bombs and guns is because of the complex components that's within them. "Knives and stabbing weapons" are more solid, simple, and less complicated to produce.
Arnold literally says this in T2.
12:13 Actually in the original script, the Terminator was supposed to tell the desk sergeant, "I'll come back", but this was changed in the movie.
T2 Judgement Day was released in '91, but is set in '94. Otherwise John would have had to be 7.
It's funny, if you watch the; "Ordinary gamer podcast," the point Mutamar made about T-2. How, hacking in videogames has become even worse and hard to detect, thanks to AI. And, how companies, now, are trying to combat the AI problem by having anticheat AI fight against cheating AI.
He brought up the scene of how he pictured it where the T-800 is pretending to be John while talking to T-1000.
"Hey Janelle, what's wrong with Wolfie? I can hear him barking."
A perfect example of two AI trying to out think each other in real time.
It’s a common misnomer that T2 takes place in 1991. While it’s not explicitly stated, the setting for T2 is actually 1995.😉
Terminator Dark Fate
T3 is JUDGEMENT DAY realized. Not as good as T2 but SO Happy they made this with the ending of "Maybe the future has been written and I'll never stop fighting"
Arnold didn't want to say I'll be Back because he thought a robot would say " I will be back ". But then if the robot is smart enough , it could be considered a better way to blend in saying "I'll" . 😂
Worst-Genisys, bad-Dark fate, T 3, Salvation least tried and did something different. as for the line, james said ''I don't tell you to act, don't tell me how to direct/write'' Arnold felt I will be back sounded more machine like.
What did T3 try to do differently? Except for really bad comedy. Like they basically took the script to T2 and reworked it. It feels so much like a parody to T2.
@@faz1483 Salvation is the one that did things different and tried. it's in the future during the war, not the exact future, but compared to 3, dark fate and Genisys, it's not a copy paste, Genisys and dark fate copied Salvation's Terminator thinking it's human (which got old and fast)
Wow. Tony got Arnie on the show and he didn't die. Good to see that show is continuously improving.
Arnold isn't some puny little girly man who would die from getting thrown into the wall of a video store. He would just get up, and Tony would need a new wall.
@@JCIce007 You're 100% correct. But even if there was a slight chance of him dying... we all know, he'd be back.
As bad as all of the later movies are, I do like how all of them add a new Terminator in them. It makes it so that, in a weird way, the Terminator franchise has a fantastic beastiary. Dang, now I have to play that TTRPG asap lol.
T2-3D Sadly, it no longer exists! I went to the last screenings in 2021. It was really cool to see it one last time.
Harlan Elison wrote an Outer Limits episode 'Soldier'. The plot involves 2 soldiers from different sides in a future war who time travel to the current day and continue trying to eliminate each other. The irony of not hiring Edward Furlong for T3, and the John Connor character being effed up on booze and drugs.
I always get confused. I thought that Harlan Ellison's complaint was based on the story demon with a glass hand, not Soldier. And I know a movie called Soldier was put out by Paul WS Anderson, which was an adaptation of a Philip K Dick's story. I'm not accusing you of missing something, because every time I look up stories behind Ellison and Terminator, and Soldier and Paul WS Anderson, I get my wires crossed.
@@cthulhupthagn5771 I think it says 'the works of Harlan Elison' as 'Demon With a Glass Hand', is another time travel story, about a robot from the future trying to ensure the survival of the human race by escaping into the past after an alien invasion in the future. He may have other famous time travel stories too...
"Come with me if, you want to swim!"
Terminator 3 will always be the worst for me. I was little when judgment they came out in that’s one of the first movies. I remember seeing they hyped up the third movie for years and it ended up being a total piece of shit.
I love Terminator 3, no cap. It's just a fun movie. I always have a good time with it. Obviously it's not better than T1 and T2 but it is better than the ones after
I was on board with Terminator from day one, I was 8 years old and remember seeing a clip on TV of Arnold with the robotic eye and told my dad we had to see this film, Arnold was yet to become the biggest star in the universe so I just knew him from Conan The Barbarian.
Surprised the love for Salvation, I thought it was written in off brand crayola crayons personally. Not only disappointing but a mostly terrible film. Also Bale's acting was hilariously bad just staring into the camera with batman duck face for 80% of his screen time. The stakes of the future weren't very believable, killing machines that had worse aim than storm troopers. Just all the tropes of modern garbage imo. T3 was at least stupid fun, T4 was yeah this franchise is dead.
My ranking (best to worst):
1. T2: Judgement Day (The best)
2. T1 (The original)
3. The Sarah Conner Chronicles (A good show. Shame it was cancelled)
4. T3: Rise of the Machines (Overhated. The "talk to the hand" scene is my favorite part)
5. Salvation (If the writers strike didn't happen, it would have been better)
6. Dark Fate (The only good parts are the Rev-9, Carl, and Grace)
7. Genisys (The worst. Not even Matt Smith's talent could save that turd of a movie)
Sarah Connor Chronicles sucks. Stop defending it and praising it as "good" just because they bought back Sarah and ignored T3 and Salvation.
Dark fate is the worst for me by miles boring nothing new terrible acting and destroyed Sarah Connor and killed John Connor only to replace them with c movie knock offs
I remember seeing the t1000’s multi arms in the helicopter and for the longest time thought it was a movie mistake before my brain finally clicked that he grew more arms
I fully confess I saw Terminator: Genisys TWICE in theaters. So at that time period, a few friends and I would have a game night. During the said game night, I told them how awful this movie was. They didn't believe me. They thought I was talking bullshit about how awful it was. So that very night we saw it in theaters in a theater that served alcohol. I just kept hitting the booze and just taking in their reactions of them more than the damn movie. I just remember the look on ALL their faces and me just cackling afterward. So began our bad movie night. Though we kind of stopped when the pandemic hit.
I really love the placement of the holographic terminator laser disc collection. The image in the middle of the box changes constantly as you are cutting between angles.
Terminator 3 is in another league. the machine apocalypse is inevitable, even if it was stalled in the 80's, and 90's, someone will create the internet
Terminator 3 is garbage. There's only 2 Terminator films, the Cameron directed ones.
@@peterlenham3180 ya but terminator 3 has a villain that can change it's chest size, any movie with expanding yabos is in another league
So, I know I’m coming to this late, but I think you guys touched up on a pretty interesting thought experiment. While there’s no way it would’ve saved the movie, it would’ve been WAY more interesting if there was a scene where the Rev-9 looked at Arnie and was just like “I’m sorry, who the fuck are you, exactly?” 😮
I just discovered this channel and love it. Thanks for a good laugh guys!
There is NO WAY Robocop is better than the master of cinemas first baby, The Terminator. Verhoeven is a great director but he's not a master.
It was mind blowing to me as a kid seeing Danny Cooksey in T2 as John's friend. Was like "it's Budnick!"
A man of 90s culture, i see, hahha
The first two will always be the best but I have a soft spot for the others. I just like movies in general.
6:30 Harlan Ellison was a guy who divided people with his trigger-happy approach to litigation... But Cameron got lucky that time because Ellison loved the T1 movie so much he practically gave Cameron a free pass...
Only provision for that free pass was Ellison being credited on the credits.
But the backstage tales of Cameron telling people he ripped Ellison off didn't help the matter too much...
I think they had something going on with Salvation, with a few tweaks, it could have been a good trilogy starter.
The general premise for Salvation (by general premise, I really just mean the concept of having a film take place during the future war) had potential, but Salvation took that potential and threw it in the garbage in favor of bland nothingness.
Cameron handed them a visually interesting environment on a silver platter and they threw it away in favor of desaturated greys and browns. Actually, scratch that, 'brown' implies the film had color instead of being the washed out pale looking mess of bland that it was, my mistake.
Change the aesthetic to the original future war style and it's already much better
My head canon for dark fate's timeline is that it basically devolves into that one rick and morty episode with the time travel snakes
This is the greatest episode of Hack the Movies yet. Killed me 👏 😂
The rear projection in T2 is, kinda bad.
Still a masterpiece.
I'm surprised gynisesy* is rated above salvation and dark fate.
Dark fate was crap, but I didn't hate it.
Genysis genisys* I just hated it man.
I believe the T1000 coming through the time portal was because it does arrive with a human skin, why he likely killed the police officer and actually stole clothes and wore the clothes up to the pursuit on bike when the truck cab blows up. It's only then we see a fully liquid T1000 emerging from the flames everything after that he's no longer wearing the clothes he's replicating the same look he started with
I got one for you! In terminator salvation, how the hell was both the transport carrier and that giant harvester so friggin quiet when they show up at that 7 Eleven?
My favorites:
1. T2
2. The Terminator
3. Terminator Salvation
4. Terminator Genesys
Terminator Dark Fate was awful. Although I didn't mind seeing Edward Furlong as John Connor getting killed.
I almost completely agree with your list, I would replace Genesis with T3. But man is salvation underrated.
@@bobmclovinelectricboogaloo I love that Michael Ironside is in a Terminator movie (Salvation)
I agree with this completely except John getting killed in dark fate
@@aschen John getting killed was upsetting.
Edward Furlong acting out a death scene...not so much. Lol
1. Terminator
2. T2
3. Dark fate
4. Genesis
5. Salvation
6. Terminator 3 is pure trash.
Joe is very right about why the answer is Dark Fate.
Hey Tony, say the following sentence: "He sawed Sal into slices for salads"
30:04 No Problemo , was another phrase Arnold was learning too.
Trick question y’all. Just watch the first two movies, then immediately ignore everything else EXCEPT Terminator: Resistance. Just play the shit out of that game and pretend it’s the actual 3rd movie lol
Genesys is the worst *because* Jai Courtney is in it. Kyle Reese going from two awesome character actors like Michael Biehn & Anton Yelchon to a clown ass like Jai Courtney is such a letdown.
Johnathan Jackson was also a great Kyle Reese! He looks and sounds just like Michael Biehn! I wouldn't be surprised if he was his son lol
as soon as Tony brought up the accent dubbing. instantly thought of the deleted scene from T3. it shows Arnold as a Sargent that skynet based the T-800's appearance on, he had a southern accent, the Arnold voice came from a board member 😆
I love that scene, but it's easy to figure out why it was deleted: nobody arrested Sgt Candy in either 1984 or 1992-ish. No way he'd be there if there's an uncaught serial killer who looks exactly like him.
@@almightycinder i completely agree. Sgt.Candy would definitely be doing time because of the T-800. T2 is actually set in 1995, judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997.
Dude, that is _in_ this video.
IMO, it’s T3 Rise of the Machines because it gave us nothing new worthwhile in the franchise and over reliance on bad CGI. Kate was a underwhelming character and the T-X was no where near as cool as the T-1000. And yea, the bar scene…
"Talk to the hand" is the exact second this franchise turned to complete garbage. And your're right, T3 is simply a parody of T2. The TX is the lamest villain in the franchise. You go from T1000 to a hot chick making her boobs bigger? Can't believe that's actually in a Terminator film.
At least it wasn't dark-woke fate, gg that movie was just the worst from the beginning to end. It has nothing worth seeing at all. Also the only one (made in my lifetime, or rather not too young, though I saw 1-2 at a young age) I skipped seeing in the theatres.
@@oneandonlysound99 While I get your point that Dark Fate was just a cash grab attempt, at least it had New ideas. Granted they were mostly TERRIBLE ideas, but new nonetheless!
You guys don't know that T2 was meant to take place in 1995 to explain the age. I had to stop the video after that.
50:34 Funny that you mentioned Uwe Boll, since his favorite movie is Terminator 2.
Can we do a Robocop trilogy episode
Second film takes place in 1994 since he's supposed to be 10.
Sarah Connor Chronicles is great. Easily the best Terminator thing after T2, and not just compared to the other movies. On its own is great.
I agree! It's my favorite thing in the entire franchise!
T2 takes place in 1994. You see the year when the T-1000 looks up John on the police computer. The Special Edition also ends the same way as the theatrical cut, but there is a "extended special edition" that features the future ending and a scene earlier on where the T-1000 searches John's room
Love the episode!
What are you referring to at 54:28
Over the 12 years I worked at Disney and universal studios in Orlando 11 different jobs i did security for a handful of months and one of my jobs was to check the gun case at that ride! Every gun used in the show had to be counted Daily and back then in 2005 it was handwritten on a clipboard. I got to meet and talk to the lookalike actors! If curious to the other 10 jobs it was ride operator, photographer, boat rentals, several restaurants on property and several shops, AMC theater, arcade attendant, credit card sales and entertainment. Worked in the parks at the shopping areas and the resorts! Oh and sidebar I saw the third on a air force base when I was active duty and the point where they blame the air force for starting judgment day did not go over well in that theater!!!
How could you not love Ghostbusters: Afterlife!? You're the Devil!
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I'm not serious by the way. I really enjoyed Afterlife myself. That doesn't mean everyone else has to though.
You guys are all great. I was surprised your friend liked the extended cut of T2. I thought that Park scene at the end was awful and doesn't fit the vibe of the film at all. Theatrical cut all the way. They cut the stupid smile scene out and the scene where Reese comes back. Those are so so bad.
For me, T2 is a real mess of a movie, but I completely agree with your statements. T2's theatrical cut is the only cut I can sit through, and even though it's bad, the special edition is certainly worse much worse.
1:29:30 back of the truck xD LMAO
I'd rank them as follows, The Terminator and T2 are fantastic, Terminator 3 is pretty bad, Terminator Salvation goes in a different direction but is pretty bland and with awkward weird casting choices, Terminator Genisys is juvenile and cringeworthy and Terminator Dark Fate is frustrating, uninspired and feels like a dead end. Stick with the first two, go no further as far as legit good/great action sci fi movies go
the original is great. think about what it was able to conjure up in the mind and on the screen. the rest of the them are just awful. even 2. saw the original on a bootleg vhs back in the 80s. the only thing i don't like in the original is the truck blowing up effect (believe they had to re-make it after a problem) that looks like a tin toy as the front comes off (and obviously its best not to think too much about how reece is johns future/past dad somehow. that makes no sense).
I agree T1 is the best film in the franchise and technically it should have been the only film. Narratively none of the sequels can really exist in the context of T1's story. I do love T3 and for me it's really the only good sequel, but all of the other sequels including T2 really went in a terrible direction and had very dumb ideas. With T2 being mainly responsible for all of it.
You're right. I can't watch this knowing that you think Robocop is better than the first two Terminator movies. I can't respect anything you have to say.
Agreed
I hope they talk about how Arnold’s giant movie hoodie in “Genisys” needed a handler with a string.
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Wat
Salvation would have been damn good with some rewrites and set a little further in the future war. I remember being pretty pissed off that we going to get the purple laser guns and the skulls and all that.
Terminator 3 is a good movie. The last good Terminator movie
The only terminator movies I love is 1 & 2
The 4th movie had some decent points too. But the 3rd is horrible. Number 2 is obviously the best
@@pauliewalnuts2527 For me personally if you get over the tonal shift from serious to goofy and the fact that the story totally spits in the face of T2’s ending. I think 3 is a lot of fun because of the action scenes especially the crane scene. Not nearly as good as the first two but it’s nice to have another terminator with Arnold relatively in his prime.
@@tails2299 stand alone t3 is a decent movie. Can't really fault it on it's own. But in the series it sticks out.
@@pauliewalnuts2527 I can see that, like I said it completely spits in the face of T2’s amazing ending about fate and such. I have a different opinion on that I would actually say it blends in rather than standing out. When people talk about bad terminator movies it’s either salvation, genesys, and dark fate but T3 is kinda just hand waved as alright nothing too egregious unlike parts of the other movies.
Dark Fate, no competition
As the best, you are absolutely correct
@@leonzaduncan2438 Oh, goody. The Dark Fate fanboy spammed the comments. Great.
@@NebLleb no I didn't. Lol
100% with Tony on T3. It's a great movie.
Fun fact: T2 takes place in the future of 1995. The police computer shows John Connor's age as 10, and his year of birth at 1985.
Also, the guy taking photos at the mall is played by one of the cops from T1. I like the theory that he's the same character, and this off-duty cop ran into the guy responsible for shooting up his precinct.
Additional fun fact, the cop/photographer is played by T1 and T2 co-writer William Wisher