I watched every Final Destination to figure out Deaths design
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several people have misunderstood something i say in the intro, so let me clarify my ghostbusters (2016) take:
i didnt watch the movie, cause i thought it looked trash. people have since told me its trash, and im sure it is.
but it is not trash because it has a female lead cast. it's trash because it's trash. it's hollywood sludge. a remake with a whole new gang of male leads wouldve been just as trash. the "basement dwelling reddit mods" mentioned in the video isnt meant to refer to "anyone who disliked ghostbusters (2016)". it's meant to refer to "anyone who disliked ghostbusters (2016) on principle because it had an all female lead cast".
That is the issue with a bad movie trying to use something like "A female version" as a gimmick. If the movie is bad they will claim it is due to people not liking it because they are sexiest not because it is a bad movie. Sometimes I feel like Hollywood does that sometimes for that reason. I watched it expecting it to be at least okay. I found it boring and my least favorite character was the male secretary. The women overall were set up to be great characters, but the writing was bad and did not know how to use the characters properly.
I think you'll find a lot of the comments come from the fact that the marketing and the creators involved used essentially that same line to deflect criticism as bad faith, yes there was backlash because of the fact that there were females in some neckbeards precious childhood cool nerds, but their existence was hard overstated to drum up controversy and delegitimize the actual opinions of it being garbage, and playing into that is going to trigger a bunch of people who had their opinions disregarded as beig MRA neckbeards when they just didn't like a bad movie.
you see, noone actually thought the movie was bad because it had an all female cast. People thought it was bad because it was bad and then the creators of the movie spun it as a "everyone is just actually sexist, our movie is actually good we swear." The movie wasn't "critiqued by a bunch of basement dwelling reddit mods," that's just what the creators wanted everyone to think so they could squeeze a few more dollars out of their garbage movie.
Nobody disliked the movie because it had an all-female cast. That's a myth supporters of the movie fabricated to try to invalidate criticism. It's trash because it's trash, but it was also made for (and marketed as) "wow look at your beloved classic, now it has a cast of quirky women instead." An equally sludge movie of an all-male cast wouldnt have been given a green light in the first place
@@RandomGuy2_Electric-Boogalo you are incorrect. there were people who disliked it because they were sexist. this doesn't mean that disliking the movie makes you sexist, but those people did exist.
a bus hitting someone who steps into traffic makes sense, but an ambulance splattering someone on the steps of a hospital without stopping is fucking hilarious
No one even gets out of the ambulance either like, "oh shit I killed someone." They don't even address it.
On the plus side they were already at the emergency entrance when they got hit by the ambulance, I mean death was instant, but if it hadn't been, they could've been helped right away, well as soon as someone noticed someone's legs sticking out from the bottom of the ambulance, or were they at the main entrance, and if so was it a rogue ambulance with no one driving and that's why it ran over someone? Hmmm
This was so poorly written in. Like hey let's have an ambulance hit em...that's it. Why is it speeding through parking lot with people walking through n no....sirens...whatsoever😑😑😑
@@cwolf0915 Not to mention going fast enough to splatter him. Not to mention why is he crossing a road without looking with death hunting the guy next to him lol…”or so he thought.”
@cwolf0915 I doubt anyone watching Final destination series thought it was well written considering it made no sense for all of these people are to die. It would've been nice if we got to saw Death pulling the strings and planning everything, but nah we have some sort of supernatural happenings but no mastermind.
I'd love to watch a Final Destination movie from Death's perspective.
"This fuckin' guy again! Let's try a chainsaw windmill that gets set off by a marble"
He probably has a style meter going...
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Unironicly ? it would be peak, be it a dark comedy or serious take it would be amazing to see heck lean in to fan theories make the coroner death and make it about his life.
Starring Stephen Merchant as Death
a perfect billy and mandy episode tbh
@@lop90ful1Back when I cared about the series I imagined a cool returning protagonist, which would be 'the man who cheated death' (though ideally it'd be Clear Rivers) and they're someone who's gotten smart to how Death operates, and keeps avoiding Death's deathtraps. So yeah, I was imagining exactly that kind of scenario. Someone who'd survive every movie and kind of tie them together as they try to figure out a way to properly break the curse.
But that's not how these movies work.
I cracked it. I understand death's code. It's like grocery shopping when you have no idea where something is in the store.
Death is grocery shopping.
And when you fuck up his grocery list he gets pissed and adds rules 😂
So maybe its like when death goes shopping and knows exactly where everything is but when he gets there the whole layout of the shop is changed by the dipshit with a premonition so now he has to run around figuring out where everything is and crossing off the list as he finds stuff, but since he has the list in front of him he tries to still go by that as much as he can? idk thats what i do when i go shopping tho i dont map out what i buy or when in an ordered list, i just run like a headless chicken and impulse buy half the store X{}
This is genius! It's hilarious to imagine Death genuinely tweaking because layout of the shop is changed for, like, the fourth time by the dipshits with premonition 🤣
Well, to be fair, who the hell writes a grocery list in order of where items are? I just write them in the order I think of what I need and then just try to find everything on my list that would be in the area of the store I'm in, lol
That's actually a pretty good way to put it. I remember watching the first 2 and could never really figure out how death actually worked. Putting like this is by far the easiest way to look at it. And I'm gonna show age, but I saw first 2 in theaters and on VHS lol
I like how (originally) it feels like Death tries to give you a tame death, and then you avoid him and then he just goes "YOU KNOW WHAT, SUFFER"
Thats typically always been the case, death in this franchise is full on villain, but has no intent to cause extreme suffering when each characters time had come. However, cheating death (and therefore breaking deaths design) pisses him off, so the cheater must now be punished. Though he seems to have respect for those who avoid him consistently, as is the case with Clear, who dies very quickly by the explosion.
apparently in the novels/comics, death himself states that the new life rule screws with his design and there's nothing he can do about it other than reconstruct the entire design due to the anomaly. So when someone causes someone else to die, that person then takes on the remaining lifespan of the person they just killed, or if they die and get resurrected, they are no longer their original self in deaths design, and are considered an entirely new life.
@@fusionwing4208 i wonder if thats respect or desperation, like "damn it just die already, no convoluted stuff for you this time! i want you dead now"
@@brandonwithnell612 could be, but its probably more out of respect, death doesnt ever seem to be desperate whenever he's actually seen and spoken to
One thing about the last rule. You actually steal the person's timeline. Not just completely avoid death. You get to live as long as they would have. Which means the detective would have died in two weeks either way and so would have the girlfriend.
But that was defused by the end of the film when we see the cycle from the beginning.
I hope we get a sixth film.
@@anubusx already confirmed!
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@dranixrush3306 No, it was explained that the guy who successfully stole somebody else's time just stole the wrong guy's time because the guy was probably gonna die of a heart attack soon. So, he did steal time, just not much.
I think a fun interpretation of death's "list" is that he's extremely disorganized all the time and altogether is just. Really bad at his job if killing people in a specific order is a part of it.
Death just has ADHD, and all the "rules" are just stuff that coincidentally seem to happen in past death lists, so Death just makes it a rule to seem cool and scary.
Oh that's so relatable 😔truly Death is just one of us
My headcanon has always been that Death is just bored and fucking around. The rules don't make sense because he makes them up as he goes, like a kid on the playground lol. Like: "Oh your guy can shoot lasers from his eyes? Well my guy is immune to lasers, and also he can fly now!"
Yeah that's the impression I got by the end of it. We're just seeing Death trying to do his day job's to-do list
He just does it for fun and sometimes forgets his own rules “o shi I forgot that rule I made so I’m not too op” - death probably
Nah, Death is just an asshole that occasionally wants to have fun with people.
He's Death, he'll get you sooner or later. Like, how many people just literally drop dead? Why would he need to Rube Goldberg it?
To have fun with it.
You manage to actually win and get away? Doesn't matter. He'll see you soon.
I think when death fails he leaves it to his apprentice to finish what he missed. Except the apprentice doesn’t have the passwords or permission to the systems necessary and has to Rube Goldberg machine his way through that list.
I like this theory 👏
and his name is mortimer lmao
Fucking great! Love it 😂
That sounds amazing
Never thought of this. A whole new spin.. Death has an apprentice.. a trainee! That could make sense. Good one/job
Regarding the order of death in the first film, Death skips you if someone intervenes and then it moves down to the next person. Once it hits the end of the list, it starts from the top again. Alex intervened to save Carter from the train, and again to save Clear in the garage. But no one intervened to save Alex from the power cable, so he was still next. Then at the end, Carter intervened to save Alex from the bus and the list skipped back to the beginning again: Carter.
The implication between 1 and 2 is that Clear and Alex kept saving each other until death finally caught Alex on his turn with a brick to the face and Clear locked herself away to stay safe.
I thought that was a pretty obvious for what happened between 1 and 2, the rules didn't really seem that complicated really and often they just say quite explicitly what the rules are.
Yeah I was a bit frustrated when he kept trying to say that it loops back to clear every time in movie 2... Like... You made a false assumption in movie 1...
It was fairly obvious and even the original trio said it explicitly "wait so if death is after Alex and almost killed him with a bus and Carter saved him then who's next?" Well... Carter gets hit by a sign... So that was the confirmation that it looped.
thank you guys, I just started the video and him getting that thing wrong is driving me insane
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Ironic since this guy said he carefully looked and wrote down all the details. Clearly he didn’t. Either that or he just has a false perspective of the franchise’s lore.
The EFAP movies crew did a better job of taking notes lol
the way the teacher died in the first movie felt personal. Death made especially sure that she died. Like bro fucking pentuple tapped her
Big Zara from Jurassic World energy
@@davidportmore9784 ye
@@davidportmore9784 ong that was so fucked up
Wouldn't shock me if the reason everyone is dying like this is because Death got bored and wants to entertain himself.
Like a cat, playing with food, he's honing his skill while also entertaining his brain.
@@ArlanKels that was always my explanation for the signs he wants you to know your his prey and just fing with you
There’s a podcast titled “Was the villain right?” Where the hosts discuss the morals and ethics of villains in movies. They brought up final destination and came up with the idea that “Death” in this film is a worker on their first day and the characters avoiding there deaths on the plane was a huge mess that this guy now has to figure out how to clean up before his boss gets back.
This is actually hilarious.. his first job.. known in the story, so far.. was the bridge in FD5.. and since then he's just been constantly fucking up, and chasing everyone down
@@hsmorg3640 if this ain't relatable idk what is honestly
@@hsmorg3640Or the first guy fucked up, got fired and then they just keep hiring new people who keeping fucking up and getting fired so every movie is a new death’s first day on the job
@@siennahartle9069the final destination is him getting fired when one survives
Every time his attempts fail, he just falls into a panic repeatedly saying "i'm gonna get fired, I'm gonna get fired."
Death coming back to people he missed is the equivalent of skipping questions you don’t understand on a test
Clear in her padded cell is for all intents and purposes, dead. She's not living her life, she's not influencing the world. Death is satisfied with her having taken herself out of the world
But the cell isn't like hermetically sealed off from the universe or anything. She still interacts with people in ways that affect their lives. There's presumably staff around her guard her, feed her, otherwise take care of her and those people taking care of Clear rather than doing anything else influence other people and things.
@@PhileasLiebmann Maybe death is satisfied that _she_ isn't living her life? Like it's not about taking her out of the universe in regards to others but in regards to herself, she is no longer living so the life force that would've been used up by her is now available. After all, someone can still have an effect on the people around them even when they're dead. My uncle died this winter and because he lived in Ivory Coast it was very difficult to get his remains back to Sweden for the funeral and so on. Me and my cousins lives would've turned out very differently just based on that and my uncle had no agency in how it all played out (obviously he chose to move to another country but I'm saying we were the only ones in control of how that was dealt with)
@@char1211 That's such a weird concept of Death though. Like at that point it's not like a causality thing anymore, where people are avoiding the natural order by not dying when they were supposed to according to like destiny or something, where there is like an error in the predestination of the world.
This sort of implies that all deaths everywhere, or at least non-disease or -age related ones are actually conscious malicious acts by this death entity.
@@PhileasLiebmann I haven't seen the movies myself, only this video and probably some other summary, but that's the impression I kinda have of Death. It seems like a malicious entity rather than an impartial force of nature, having personal vendettas and killing in increasingly gruesome ways if you happen to escape it.
Death could have always killed Clear in the asylum like making the little TV in her padded cell explode or the lights in her cell burst she's the only survivor to live longer than any survivor in the franchise.
I could, theoretically, make the argument that what the movies are trying to do is to represent/recreate PTSD/anxiety. "The moment you let your guard down you will DIE and death is personally after you so you MUST spend every waking moment worrying and being aware of every danger no matter what."
I could see that being the case, with good enough writing. As for if this is good enough writing? W e l l ....
this theory i respecc
That was my thought too
This movie either gave me my generalized anxiety disorder or just knows how to represent it really well, because I swear I can look at any innocuous situation and see like 40 ways it could somehow kill me.
Honestly your idea is way better than what the writers did LMAO
This! I honestly think the first movie could’ve done this somewhat effectively, if they just cut the epilogue off earlier.
Show that the characters are still seeing the signs, but don’t show any of them dying, just cut to credits as they realize these signs again and start panicking, leaving it open ended if death is after them again, or if they just can’t feel safe again after what they’ve been through.
These movies could do something so interesting with the concepts of PTSD and survivors guilt if they wanted to.
I'm convinced Death is stressed, overworked and disorganized, and is just trying his best to follow the order
My moms theory was that death is an office worker and has to entertain himself after doing this for so long and just does stuff to spice it up a bit. Yah I'll tell them theirs rules so they spin themselves up and human nature/morality will fight it out for my entertainment. Oh if I kill someone I'm safe, I'll kill the person who deserved it beause they didn't die in my visions (which didn't happen). If we kill the last person maybe this will stop.
She also had a theory that death gave them the vision in the start because watching the ants scramble was a lot more fun than whatever plane crash #6 template he had bored him.
Imagine orchestrating an accident to tie up all the loose ends caused by the premonition of the first movie only to have it once again subverted by a premonition. Death must have been pissed that it happened a second time. By the third, he must be used to it.
Right. Seems like Death could use a nice vacation.
"Stop FIGHTING! The man upstairs wants you in heaven, and I gotta do my job! God DAMNIT humans are so stupid!"
-Death, probably
@@Gabriel-ow7wythis honestly makes death sound like its Cthulhu’s son squashing ants and roasting them alive with a cosmic magnifying glass.
I always saw Death in these movies like a really petty kid playing The Sims. His design is actually shockingly simple under that light. "You weren't supposed to win, screw you I'm supposed to win!"
Edit: It akso helps when you think of Death as an ever-present but not all-powerful supernatural entity.
I'd actually love it if he was a petty bitch like that, lmao.
Might be akin to multiplayer dungeon master style games where the DM has some limiting resource with which to trigger hazards to try to kill the trespassers, so it can't just bombard a person with a meteor shower
@@baitposter Exactly. Same reason Death can't just stop their hearts or something.
Except the ways the survivors died were so wild. Also so unavoidable. Like 1 in a million odds of people dying that way.
@@tabathacarruthers5122 I did say it was like playing the Sims. You've never trapped one of them in the pool by deleting the only ladder out?
The fact that David Koechner has played a manager at a paper company for two completely unrelated franchises is hilarious. Like what a weirdly specific industry and uninteresting job to play as an actor.
Shout out to Todd being the only person in the entire series whose death is made to look like a suicide when every single other person gets an elaborate, clearly freak accident death.
The scene even ends with Death "cleaning up after itself" by sucking up the blue liquid back into the toilet
THE SUCKING UP OF THE LIQUID IS SO FUNNY
literally insane shout out todd
Director Commentary here; The original idea was Death would 'clean up' after itself, and they filmed it like that... at first. They quickly changed their minds and just went ham with it. But it was the original idea the were going to go with.
@@JadeAnnabelArtthat was probably the idea of it as an X-Files episode. It was meant to be a mystery, with a series of seemingly random suicides being connected by all cheating death together. And then they realize that it’s not suicide and actually death coming back for them, and they have to save whoever is next
@@BrianSpurrier That actually sounds interesting. I just don't know how you'd write them arriving at such a fantastical conclusion.
Zack from CZS World had a good theory for why Death ignored Clear in the second movie for a while. All these people who are supposed to die are screwing up the course of history by being alive when they shouldn't be. Well Clear became a shut in inside an mental asylum for years. She's not really affecting the course of history all that much, she might as well already be dead.
He also did include the graphic novels and books though. Which helps figure things out and also helps woth clarification on how things work and switch
It always remains funny to me in these stories that "the course of history" is relevant to the universe/fundamental concepts of reality.
Like, they're just people 😂
@@stripedgillette3580 Important people and events don't exist in a vacuum, they interact with normal people like you and me. Six degrees of separation.
There's a movie about this. A presidential candidate was supposed to die on his plane from a bomb, but because he shook one more person's hand than he was supposed to, it delayed him seconds long enough for the bomb to go off while he was being driven to the airport.
@@livingcorpse5664 Yeah and?
Like, that's bad and all. But it's not something the concept of death itself should be concerned with.
People die all the time. So what if an unusual event causes slightly more people to or to not die at a given moment?
@@stripedgillette3580 Sigh.
I have a theory on why Final Destination 2’s order is so wonky and it sort of works. Basically, the premonition shows us who is meant to die. If the accident plays out like in the premonition, obviously the order death comes would be the same. But Kimberly altered the way the accident happened by pulling her car over, which altered the order. The only thing that remains from the initial premonition is that they are meant to die.
We can see a mini version of this in Final Destination 1 when Alex switches seats which messes with the order.
Now, I don’t think this is the actual reason the writers had, but as a retcon it works better then reverse or loose-ends.
Also, his hang up on Clear is easily explained as, its a seperate list. Not sure why death would make separate lists, but it works i guess.
@@Cman04092She actually explained that because of the survivors in the first movie they cheated death TWICE. So Death was actually taking them out in the order they would have died the first time.
@@Queen_Homuexactly, death is working off a different list than Kimberly is.
Personally, I just like to think that while there is a preferred order, death is still pretty opportunistic to where if a great opportunity comes along, he'll take it. Cause Kimberly's friends were kinda just sittin in a parked car on a dangerous road, so it was as easy as just nudging a truck over.
@@Cman04092 I feel like 'Death's List' only generates, so to speak, when the victims avoid a disaster, setting them aside to be taken care of separately. So the plane disaster generated its own list to be rectified, and the pileup generated a separate list.
To explain dentist drugs: They only use it when someone has significant anxiety about an operation or the operation is likely to be distressing. It's not ketamine, it's Nitrous Oxide. This isn't an anesthetic, it's a sedative that doesn't knock you out and is able to be quickly reversed.
Yeah and it is used in Europe to so he just comes off as ignorant
What he probably means is that European dentists don't use any sedatives for root canals, unlike American ones.
Is it wild that y'all do this? Kind of.
Is it really that bad? Not particularly, but using unnecessary drugs is both expensive at the national level and an inherent small risk for the patient.
@@rarecommunistpepe225 In the US, we don't use sedatives for things like root canals unless it's specifically requested. It's usually for people who have a lot of anxiety about the procedure so that the dentist can do their stuff with relative ease.
@@rarecommunistpepe225 bro local anesthesia is definitely used for root canals in the US and it's nowhere near being weird
Root Canals would be some of the most painful procedures in ALL OF MEDICINE if not done with some form of anesthesia
And I'm certain that Anesthesia is used in other developed countries
@@brandoncole5533 A local analgesic is normal of course, like lidocaine. I was talking about sedatives, the ones that make you say the most embarassing things in front of all the nurses, doctor and family.
There's nothing notably bad about this, but parsimony is always a good thing to practice with drugs.
I feel like Final Destination is how the world feels to people with certain kinds of anxiety disorder or OCD.
The constant heightened fear and awareness of every little possible risk and the irrational fear some unlikely series of situations could happen to cause horrible harm or death.
There is actual condition of such irrational fears and EOW fear/fear of death.
No wonder I always feel so weird and hyper-alert after watching one of the FD movies.
Yeah that’s pretty much me
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Ironically enough these films gave me existential anxiety as kid and I still suffer from today this video is the first time as an adult Ive actually returned to the series
I am convinced the people in FD movies are like in a different world where EVERYONE is like Mr Glass from Unbreakable. I mean in most cases the force of impact for certain things WILL kill a normal person but like, a explosion sending a section fence so fast it slices through a person? A pressurized cannister pushing someone so hard through a fence it dices them up? A regular falling metal sheet just slicing someone in 2. Granted I'm no expert on the matter but Myth Busters couldn't get a snapping cable to slice through a pig under the BEST conditions.
The deaths are pretty metal doe and also hilarious so I at least will allow the absurdity.
Rule of cool
Oh my gosh Mythbusters should do a Final Destination special if they didn't already.
@@FrenkTheJoy does anyone want to tell him?
@@FrenkTheJoy who's gonna tell him?
My theory is that Death is just messing with these guys because they escaped him, there are no rules or order, he's just going to come after them
Pans out. THe inconsistent signs, the hints. Death is just an asshole
death is a troll ☠️
My personal theory/Headcannon is that death being immortal and all present gets bored, so when when someone actually cheats him he decides to get creative and have fun with it
I'm pretty sure that was the point that is made at the end of The Final Destination.
Yeah, death is random, Death is petty
I honestly think that the simple and scariest answer is that Death is trolling them. It sends them the visions to torture them with false hope because it's bored. It makes up rules as it goes along, knowing it will get them eventually anyway to prolong the game.
It could also be that there's an entity fighting against death. The coroner, as someone who works closely with death, has knowledge of both.
This was more or less my thought while listening to them sequentially laid out like this; there's already the trope of challenging Death to a game in attempt to outplay the inevitable, so it's not that much of a stretch to think that once these people evade Death the first time, the whole thing becomes a game to get them in more interesting ways later. There's some semblance of rules to the games to make the game more challenging, but they're ones that Death self-imposes, so they can be changed on a whim whenever boredom occurs with whatever the previous rules were. They're being toyed with by letting them in on signs and whatever the rule is at the time to watch as they scramble around chaotically as if it's actually going to change anything, even letting them think they've won for while makes inevitably winning more entertaining for Death.
The rule was always that when you're skipped you don't get attacked by death again until everyone after you has. Carter didn't die until Clear and Alex were both saved. So no death shouldn't circle back to Kimberly after Evan. Clear even says "once everyone else is dead it'll come back for you"
Came to say exactly this! It's also made clear in the epilogue of movie one. Alex explains death skipped Clear because he intervened, but no one intervened for him. So he was still 'next'. Carter then saved him, saying "I knew you were next!". Alex says, "then it just skipped me". Carter: "So who's next?" Cue swinging death sign taking out Carter, as death has now returned to the beginning of the list.
Yeah I feel like he overcomplicated movie 2 and confused himself because he didn’t pay attention to that part
Yeah, WTH? The first movie explicitly showed Alex "saved" Clear by short circuiting the electricity, meaning he was still "on the list". Then months later, Carter saves him in Paris. Alex realizes that Death just skips the person who is saved and moves on to the next and says as much to Carter. So then Carter replies, "Okay, so who is next?" as the billboard swings in behind him, presumably ending his life.
It's already established at the very end of the first movie EVERYTHING regarding death's rules for what happens in the second one, but the second one expands on the lore in a really compelling way. I actually think the second movie was the best of them as far as the story and lore and even deaths went except near the end where it just gets crazy with Clear's death.
For example of the second movie expanding on the lore in a good way, the "you don't die till it's your turn" thing explains why Alex couldn't die when he short circuited the electricity and saved Clear in the first film. That was a rule then, too, but we didn't know it till the second movie and it explains why Alex didn't die. Also, the second movie specifically had people who had "cheated death" before in individual circumstances, like surviving cancer or suicide or whatever. But none of these were explicitly "accidental" deaths, which is what triggers Death to work backwards through them. This is even explained in the movie during a scene where they are recollecting previous run-ins with death, so I'm not sure why it is confusing.
Also, Clear isn't "saved" from the kayak, it's evident that she's become super paranoid and hasn't been "saved" in a long time being the only person left from her death date that has yet to die. I just assumed she's under constant threat of being killed and knows it. I mean, she's hypervigilant about accidents the whole film, they even include showing her hovering her thumb over the emergency gas shutdown button at a gas station, so I thought it was obvious.
I agree that the later movies lost the plot, but if you watched this video from beginning to end, it seems pretty clear that Death only "circles back" after he has went through the list, yet Jeffiot keeps trying to interject his original misunderstood interpretation of that phrase into meaning that the person who was just saved is always then second in line to be killed again.
It's important to note, too, that the horror genre had become considerably stale around the time this movie came out. The only "popular" horror flicks were the revived "slasher genre" with the Scream movies. There wasn't a huge revival of psychological horror till the first Saw movie came out (and the creature feature genre had stalled till The Descent came out), so Final Destination was kind of the closet to something new and refreshing in the horror genre. I'm not excusing the later movies for being bad, but the first two were really unique films capturing that era.
This doesn’t explain how emo died and not wendy unless you theorise people who go to kill others are instead targeted. There’s also cowboy man out of order and the movie theatre people are an anomaly where they should probably have a list too.
@@danielhorsburgh874 Pretty sure in the movie they say that emo guy unintentionally interfered saving Wendy, but not letting her leave the event. She was last on the list, so it would go back to the start and kill emo again next.
One fundamental mistake, even established in the first movie, death does not come back for the people that cheated death until it has gotten to the end of its current list, when death skipped Carter and killed Billy it moved to Clear, but funniely tries to give Alex tetanus with rusty fish hooks which would eventually kill him last, death tries to kill Clear and yes leading her through the nightmarish hellscape that she survived to get into the car so that she could be blown up with it is the most convoluted thing in the entire universe, but Alex saved her so it skipped her and killed him, his heart stopped beating, that's why you hear a defibrillator Reviving him. Thus death is back to Carter but for some reason takes six months to find an opportunity to kill him in a situation almost as convoluted as Clears predicament.
The way I thought it was, was that death was super salty and wanted them all in that place to strike. Cause he wanted them all to know they were not in the clear.
@@mariawhite7337 I love the idea that death is a Salty rediter...... :P
YES! I was looking for this comment bc its like THE main rule and he totally missed it
Thank god someone said it, I was losing my mind.
It could be death was busy with another case elsewhere and just got back around to this partially cleared list 6 months later?
So FD5 main guy has a freak out that saves his life in a massive bridge collapse. OK. Then he's on a plane and another guy is having a VERY similar freak out episode, and he just sits down like "s'probably nothin"?
Nah he starts to panic and tries to get off, but fails. Same as the end of FD3
No he doesn't he just asks after they've already taken off I would've just gotten up and left or maybe punch a flight attendant to get off@@azurehorizon4485
There's also like a solid minute of Alex shouting "The plane's going to explode!" loud enough for everyone on the plane to hear in the first film but Sam *only* notices Alex when he's already fighting with Carter and getting dragged out
@@carrot708
I’ve been on planes before they took off and I can say, from my own experience, you don’t really notice loud or aggressive passengers fighting until half way through, cause your mind is so tired and stressed it’s on autopilot (no pun intended).
😂good point there ..
Fun (but sad) fact! The plane crash is indeed the most believable death sequence, because it actually happened, in a manner of speaking. It's very closely based on the crash of TWA800 to Paris. A tragic sequence of events during the takeoff climb cause the central fuel tank to explode, separating the front of the aircraft from the rest of the plane. The rest of the plane, the wings still attached and aflame, continued to climb briefly before crashing into the ocean. The whole, terrible incident was visible to scores of onlookers, and no one survived the crash.
I think you misinterpreted the ending of the first one. Death doesn't circle back as soon as someone escapes. It temporarily skips someone if someone else intervenes, then it keeps going and only circles back once it's done with the rest (at least by that movie's logic without considering the sequels). Alex's theory is that because no one intervened to save him, he's still next. That's why when Carter saves him, he's immediately next because the list restarted.
Yeah this kinda irked me, I always thought the design was very linear in that sense (someone survives, they basically now become last until death cycles through the rest and it just keeps going round and round until they're all dead).
Someone has a brain! Not the maker of the video though.
@@demonteprice5870 Yup, doesn't immediately cycle back, just skips them, tries on the next and THEN circles around once it reaches the end.
And ofc Clear was on a separate list (now of one). She was a bonus kill at any time.
Same with the kid, separate list. Presumably each multi-death "event" is a list.
EDIT: Well, now onto "The Final Destination" (lol) and it DOES seem to now immediately stop and loop backwards (wat?) if he's got the order right. That's not how the last 3 films worked.. Surely Tampon Mom, not Racist man should have been next?
@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive I thought it was pretty straight forward really, lol.. It's just an ordered list, that starts back at #1 (alive person) when the end is reached? I dunno where he got all that "moving people around" from..
And then any other multi-death event (after the beginning one with the premonition) people are on a separate list with their own rotation, that gets "checked" whenever plausible for them to die.
my theory is that death doesnt have a design, and any attempt to avoid it by cheating fate is pointless anyway. kindof like pouring a bucket of water into the ocean.
I haven’t gotten far into this video but based on my own brief obsession with the series as a teen I sort of assumed the ultimate rule was “death is gonna get you, he has a job to do, but he’s also a little bit of an asshole with a sense of humor and will wait for dramatic irony if there’s a real sick future reason for it”
ya I'm pretty sure Clear only survived so long because she made any death They could give her "boring"
@@BryceCorbello HOnestly that might be it, I was sitting there like "Uh just poison her food, or you know, have the asylum she's in just blow up?" Death wasn't above a HUGE amount of collateral damage just to get one person in the series, so I wouldn't expect them to just wait for no reason.
5:55 all these questions are answered if you watch the movies. 1) no, 2) it can skip you but will always come back because of #1 3) the first 2 are good and they go down hill fast... a 1hour video done without even needing to watch it
I mean, Death must get pretty bored of it's job, makes sense that it would want to spice things up and get a bit creative with it, lol.
@@SuperLifestream"If you watch the movies". The video is an hour long bevause he's emulating watching the movies in order and coming to the conclusion after watching the movies. It's like reading the thesis for a essay about a book, and just saying "just read the book lul"
I always figured Death kept a separate list for each averted disaster and followed up on them separately.
This is what I thought too. I also assumed that Death attempted each person on the list in order, and once he got to the end he went back to the first non-dead person and started again. I figured Alex's heart must have stopped when he saved Clear, but it restarted from another jolt or something (I don't understand electricity very well). Since Alex was last on the list, he went back to Carter, then tried Clear again off-screen, and successfully killed Alex. He then bided his time completing other lists while he waited for Clear to come out of the institution.
Right? I thought that was prety clear (lol) from the beginning
That’s exactly how it went clear was never on movie 2 list she was the last on her list
He's got a spreadsheet
Yeah I’m getting frustrated by this guy 🤦🏼♀️ same goes for the random kid, he even uses the theory that he’s on a different list???
The way you could take one of the easiest premises ever (if you're saved, you're skipped and go back to the end of the list) and create four separate very complicated theories on how its working must be a talent
After the second movie, the rest of the sequels should have just been about Death killing everyone with psychic powers. Psychics REALLY messed with Death's plans, so he should have realized that he needs to just get rid of all the problematic psychics, lol.
Tbf that or just increasingly more obvious ways. Bring back the magic water from tods death and just have like an exposed wire float towards someone when they aren't looking or just a chair float up and swing into them. Give me a death that is done with their shenanigans instead of acting like it'll get arrested for the kills.
@@renomiz2373 They actually weren't sure if The Final Destination would be a comedy or horror. They could always still do the comedy route, I'd watch.
I initially misinterpreted this as Death USING psychic powers to kill people, so now I have the image of the Grim Reaper going around yelling "FUCK YOU, PSYCHIC ATTACK" a la Fandub Black Doom LMAO
I mean, if the only thing they predict is that they are going to die soon and what happens, then you can't know someone's a psychic until after their natural time to die has come and they avoid it.
Also death presumably doesn't want to kill people before their time is up.
@@SirCleric😆 Honestly, one of my favorite interpretations of "The Devil"
33:00 i cant believe you left out the best visual gag ever of the scene cutting from the tanning booths to the girls' coffins. Still one of my favorite visual gags in the entirety of horror movies
I have to say that, while I'm not of the crowd that finds it _funny,_ I AM of the crowd that considers it fucking _artistic,_ so.
People who find FD funny 🤝 people who find FD terrifying
That one scene where the tanning beds cut to coffins IS PEAK
bro first time I knew of FD was randomly switching channels until I found this scene plays out, it was just peak for me
that movie had a lot of afterlife / heaven / hell / demonic influences, it was a really nice touch to have the burning caskets
The last time I saw that scene the screaming was straight up dancing on my nerves and I want to fuck off
(it's probably some form of auditory overstimulation that triggered my "AAAAAAAAAAA" response)
My interpretation with Nathan is that you basically "steal their lifespan" - that guy would have died any day, so he just "switched places" with the guy's death.
Correct. Presumably, if Roy _had_ died as a result of his pre-existing medical condition, it wouldn't have necessitated taking out all those other bar patrons.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy
The bar patrons were likely on another (new) list.
Death doesn't have 1 giant list for every life on Earth. Different people are placed on a list as a group. Then it goes after them in order of THAT list.
@@k9commander that would fly in the face of the fatalistic theme they seemed to be setting up by having the other two characters die on Volée 180 in the first place-because they decided to fuck with the natural order of the world, they not only got worse deaths for themselves, but also condemned the two-hundred-some other passengers and crew on that plane (including Alex and his party).
@@k9commander I don’t think death really cares about killing unrelated bystanders, I don’t think every person has a specific day they are designated to die it's just that death has a particular interest in people who take advantage of the weird future visions to cheat death.
@@fugyfruit Punished for using forbidden knowledge. Some real "man was not meant to know the moment of his death" vibes because once you know you are *strongly* compelled to attempt and intervene or seek an escape. Not an especially common trope in fiction but it's around.
“Mr. Emo then came back with a gun” took me out LMAOO
his death is amazing too imo, at tat point he thinks hes immortal elieving all the chaotic stuff happening around hi wont do anything at all to him....then he just get bodied
As another reviewer said "The formula for Final Destination only works for ONE movie because after you already KNOW there is no way to cheat death". And the first movie also handled it the best, while some of the deaths seemed to have elaborate setups with the teachers being the most elaborate they still happened "suddenly" and weren't drawn out torture fests that relied on Rube-Goldberg-Machines to work. Death seeming to have rules but then suddenly change also works because you only THINK there are rules.
I'm pretty sure the overly-complicated death machinations was an inspiration from the early SAW movies
@@EbonyGerm Possibly yea, and making them more and more gory and painful.
That's a weird conclusion since Clear lived through the first movie.
@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDThey both did. We didn’t know he died until the sequel.
The elaborate deaths stem entirely from your first point. There's not really anything else to do, other than come up with silly rules for Death, and death scenes.
I just assumed that Death was the coroner and he was just lying to all the main characters to fuck with them. Honestly, Death just reminds me on an overworked office worker in this series. Always playing catch up and trying to get his "projects" done in big batches.
Yeah, I had a thought that death is playing a resource management type game on hard. He TRIES to keep a list and rules, but falling behind just ends up changing things around and getting who he can at any time
When I was little I'd always assumed that the coroner was just a normal guy and he only knew what he did because he noticed a weird pattern at his job having to transport the bodies of disaster survivors
@@themedia1271 honestly thats probably more likely, coroners have to do a lot of history checking and such and the guy seems like he's worked in the business for a WHILE so, surely he would've noticed something was up
@Hamza2_7272 yeah I legit just imagined him picking up a body and reading the name and going "Man it seems like a lot of survivors of massive tragedies and infrastructure failures are dying in increasingly gruesome and improbable ways. Also, why does our wiring suck so badly in this city?"
I imagine that Death saw that people were catching on to his methods and was just scrambling to seem less predictable but only changed it in lazy ways like reversing the order and stuff
like a kid learning cryptography and realizing aa substitution cypher isnt the end all be all
My theory is a lot simpler, Death has a list and tries to keep to it but ultimately everyone has to die. And the more time your survive the more frustrated he gets
@@zeldaandTwinkAlex learns rot13 then discovers you can just rot13 again and dies in the gap to the next movie.
My personal hypothesis for the second movie is that, since they were supposed to die earlier (as he covers, because the others in the first movie didn't die when they were supposed to, it caused them not to die) so the reason the list is gone through backwards is that the current event is event #2 they survived, and they original were supposed to die in the order we see
The second movie establishes that the reason for the "reversed" order is because the Route 23 Pile-Up wasn't actually the first time those individuals were supposed to have died. Every one of them had previously escaped a narrow brush with Death due to Alex and his party's actions after the Flight 180 Explosion-actions that weren't supposed to have happened because Alex and his party were supposed to have been dead by then.
This point is further reinforced with the ending of FD5, where we see Death using a later mass casualty event as an opportunity to clean up the remaining loose ends from a "previous game". Essentially, unless another prequel comes out, everything between the gymnastics meet in 2001 to the county fair in 2008 is the result of the paper factory workers escaping the bridge collapse.
the fact he doesn’t realize, Death has an attempt at everyone on the list and if they survive their attempt, he circles back to the start once he’s done his attempt. He doesn’t just: Fail, kill the next guy, then go back to the first one. They go over that several times in the movies I’m sure.
This is precisely what he explains lmao
@@jbear3478 No, it's not. He tries to say that death will skip someone and then come back for them after the next person. Imagine there's a list of person A, person B, person C, person D, and so on. If person A is saved, then death with go on and kill person B, and then go back and kill person A before going to kill person C. That's what he tries to say, but that's not what happens. What actually happens is that when person A is saved, death will continue down the list, killing B, C, and D, and then circling back and killing person A.
@@olialishi3796but then what happened in FD 4 with Racist Guy and his girlfriend?
@@kwarra-an Since the girlfriend was still in the stadium she didn't get saved and she wasn't on the list. She died when she was supposed to die.
You forgot a *VERY* important detail regarding the "kill someone to save yourself" rule. The coroner said:
"Taking a life, will add their life unto yours."
If we go by the specific phrasing from this, he's not saying you'll be invincible or removed entirely when you take a life, just that their life is added to yours if you happen to be on death's list. Taking this into account, the fact that the factory worker was going to perish from cancer "any day now" means that Nathan didn't obtain too much time in comparison to what you were thinking. All he would've done is added time to the already borrowed time.
So find a baby, got it!
@@erikjohnson7141 once again a unknowable variable.
@terrelldurocher3330 so lots of babies. You're sick but I like the way you think 🤔
That also explains why killing someone on deaths list doesn't buy you time
@@erikjohnson7141 Getting a baby is the most logical conclusion, but also *who the fuck would do this?* lol.
"Rest in peace, you were a mediocre plot device at best."
I am taking that quote.
Why would you need that quote?
What are you planning?
So good.😂
@@sluggy1739are you an autist? It’s a saying. ?????
@@sluggy1739 You seen movies lately? So many movies to apply this quote to.
43:50 As a matter of fact, not only is Cool Girl killed by a tire in both the premonition and in the actual timeline, she is actually killed by a tire from the *same* racecar. If you watch closely, two tires fly off of one car during the crash premonition; one goes into the stands and kills Cool Girl, and another flies over the stands and lands somewhere unseen. Then, in the present, while the surviving characters are talking behind the stands while the crash is happening, a tire flies into the air and lands on Cool Girl. It is heavily implied that it's the other tire from the same car.
Nice catch!
So technically she wasn't on death's list
If that's true, it may be the most clever thing to happen in the entirety of FD4....
@@Glitch___ed_stsr no she was still on it because both tires were gonna land where they were regardless
Nadia (cool girl) just so happened to be unlucky enough to stand in the exact place that the other tire was gonna fall whether she was standing there or not
She was on death's list for about a minute and 30 before death saw the chance and took it
@@jjs5072 or the only clever thing in FD4 😂
I think this is my new favorite genre of video. Guy goes insane trying to make sense of a franchise's lore in front of a red-threaded cork board.
I came under the impression that "Death's Rules" are like, attempts by the characters in these movies to try and rationalize the unknowable and the coroner is either just some guy or death itself fucking with them because if it's petty enough to do convoluted rube goldberg-esque death sequences for people cheating it then it probably gets it's kicks giving people hope too
That's my thought. Like, if we assume that he is either death himself or in cahoots with death, why would he actually tell the people how to get off the list.
I think it's way more likely A) there is an actual way to get off the list, which death is trying to keep secret by telling different people differen red herings, or B) he's literally just fucking with them for his own amusement
A man named karl Smallwood put it best.
“When you stop numbering your sequels, that just tells everyone your embarrassed how many you’ve made
Didn’t expect a factfiend reference that made me smile a bit
This is so true, I understand when going for reboots or alternate reality, but if it's in the same continuity then it's to much.
Fast & The Furious came to mind
@@whichhunter7087 same here I was just thinking about that to when seeing this comment
Wasn't that what Gene Siskel said about _Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter?_
When I was a kid I used to watch the absolute heck out of Final Destination 3, it was a halloween movie tradition in the same way you'd have a christmas movie tradition. One thing I noticed, and this order carries across movies, is that everyone gets got no matter what. Nobody survives, and as you said a different cut of FD3 keeps the internal consistency with the wood chipper. There are no "rules" other than "all of them die eventually, if not from the first thing then from their next premonition."
The reason you were so (rightfully) pissed about clear rivers is because the rule hadn't kicked in yet. I'd like to think the coroner is actually death, and he gives them a red herring just to see what they do simply to troll them, this is why in one movie he says "only new life can stop death" and in the final one he says "only a life taken can stop death" which is directly contradictory of each other.
He knows there's no rules, he's just an asshole who finds it amusing to see these people try and stop him. This would also explain the whole concept of warnings and premonitions, it's *simply to fuck with them and make his job more amusing to him.* Look at that wry smile in every scene he's in. A death with that kind of character WOULD work as a coroner, it's kinda like looking at a painting after he's done with it.
_Or these are just dumb popcorn movies and I'm looking too much into this. That's also an option._
Or he's feeding them false information so that their efforts to save themselves will end up inadvertently setting up future mass-casualty events, like the bridge collapse survivors ending up on Volée 180, this dooming the other 200 passengers and crew-minus Alex and his party, who then set up the events that lead to the Route 23 Pile-Up-whose survivors end up causing the hospital explosion _and_ the disaster at the potato farm-which one can only assume somehow leads to the Devil's Flight breakdown.
i like that thought. if the coroner is death, it's good logic and a fun story. for myself, i used to get caught up in trying to solve the puzzle of how the rules and lore all fit together, but then it occurred to me that the one thing consistent is that nobody survives. the lesson every cast really never learns is that you can't cheat death, death is inevitable.
See this is what we need in a new sequel. Have Clear Rivers actually be Death and play him more like a traditional villain.
@@rynemcgriffin1752 are you confusing Clear with Bludworth? Clear is the "art hoe" from the first movie that ends up in the asylum; Bludworth is the coroner and mortician.
Bars.
I think the reason that people get signs is not because death is giving them clues, but more like it's an effect of death being near.
You know, the best explaination is still 'Death is so bored at work it makes a game out of fixing up little glitches in the matrix'. Like imagine you're a fumigators and you're picking up few last bugs again, because there is always a few left, but you can make them do this elaborate heist where you pretend to let them escape only to actually squash them.
Eternity in the same position would get to everybody.
That would also explain why the visions ans signs are allowed in the first place. Like, death gives some rando the chance to take a few of randos out, so that the game's on! Then death also gives them sings like "haha, this is how the next one goes now so... What you gonna do about it???". Also clearly then takes the form of a guy that appears to the randos to give them some pretty ill advice on how to "finally cheat death". Wich makes sense too, I mean, you need to keep the randos motivated to live so you let them think there's an out. You first let them think they're special because you're specificly going after them, then let them think there's hope.
39:16 There is also a theory that 'Mr Emo' died then and there because he actually inadvertently saved Wendy. She, Kevin and Julie (Wendy's sister) were all trying to leave and were stopped by Mr Emo. If they had continued walking, the fireworks behind them still would have gone off and hit the sign, which would have crushed Wendy instead. Or alternatively, if they continued walking and hadn't stopped to notice the fireworks stand, they might have missed it and Wendy would have been hit by them. Regardless, Wendy was spared because they were stopped from leaving.
Doesn't Mr. Emo just fall under the "checking back in after every death" theory?
Yes Mr. emo saved ALL three of them on a technicality. The fireworks stand they would've passed would have killed ALL OF them. I mean if you think about it on a deeper level 3 via explosion and 1 via a misfired bottle rocket. DEATH WAS PISSED ergo he calmed down to lower their defense, biding his time to kill them all in that one final swoop.
@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD not necessarily, because remember the lost was emo guy then girl but guy was saved, the friend was next when emo girl was killed. But if you look at the list even if death would've circled back to emo guy, the fireworks stand (if he said nothing to stop them) would've been an elaborate way to kill his main target, the friend then sister then m.c.. then circled back to emo guy. So death got pissed he couldn't kill them like he planned and killed emo guy the interloper.
@@jackmendecino8255could it make sense that he accidentally saved everyone else on the list and caused it to go back to him?
@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD that's exactly what happened, just like Carter saving Alex from the Miro81 sign in Paris.
Being unable to expidite your own death out of order explains not only Mr. Motorcycle, but also Alex surviving the electricity in yhe first movie.
Counter-point: the entire Final Destination series is a lot less silly if you see it as an opportunity for Death to play, like a cat toying with a mouse. They know no one can escape, so they take their time and have fun with it.
The funniest thing in all of this is that even though it’s definitely unintentional, the theme of these movies can easily be interpreted as “You can’t escape death, so live every day like it’s your last.” Even though it’s just the result of bad writing, all of the arbitrary rules being broken, and nothing being consistent, it points to a simple rule, which is that death doesn’t give up. You can’t be skipped forever, and he doesn’t move on.
In my opinion, the thesis of the first movie is that there's a personification of death (or "list" of death), which is an idea that frightens people. It's a horror movie, it's supposed to be frightening! All the deaths in all the movies are completely chaotic. You can absolutely choke to death on noodles. It wouldn't make a good horror movie if the deaths are mundane and unrelated.
@@mickanderson3547 Death is absolutely a force with agency in the universe of the movies. It's just not statistically feasible for so many people within such a small and specific sample of the population to have ironic or outright reality-bending deaths.
I think that was the original intention cause if you watch the alternate ending it’s a bittersweet ending where Alex did die and Clair had Alex’s baby and Carter and Clair meet up and you can see the wind implying they still will die just like everyone will one day
My personal theory is, Death thought he would try something different just to see how it worked out, and things rapidly spiraled deeply out of control.
and after that death was like: eh, whatever i guess ill just continue this
When Death gets to the bottom of the list, he circles back to the top and takes out anyone who survived through intervention in the order they were supposed to die. Alex saved clear Rivers and then Carter saved Alex and so death looped back to the top of the list which at this point was carter. Each group of survivors is a separate list. The reason why clears death was where it was in the second movie was because she was on a different list from the others.
Sure, but that's a list with just her name on it
Exactly, she’s in an unending loop on the Flight 180 Death list, until she actually dies. I never understood Jeffiot theorising when you could also say that ‘it’s a separate list.’
My favorite part was the brief shot behind the movie theater screen with the barrel of chemicals marked "spontaneously combustible"
You forgot two things to add in Death's list:
- No Items
- Fox Only
I was watching final destination 3 and i found it truly mind blowing that in the photographs death factored in that some people would be skipped and made the pictures linked to several events to troll the characters
Sometimes Death is just a goofy goober who taunts people instead of doing its job.
I unironically love the depressed secondary school teacher vibes this guy brings
I don't
@@Patrick.Bateman666 booooooo🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅
yeah it's like watching a Swedish Half Nelson. That might also be a wrestling move or a bedroom move I'm not sure
Millennial Bruce Willis. I also dig it.
"Actually, surprise, new camera angle."
I'M DYING OMFG...
The funniest thing about explaining the reverse order in 2 with “Death’s tying up loose ends” is that, well, that’s the plot of the entire franchise. The entire series is loose ends being tied up. Utterly baffling
Short games within the long game?
2's loose ends were created by Death's previous attempts at tying up loose ends so they're kind of different, but still doesn't justify the reverse order, they were still just skipped from their original order.
My theory hast always been that "death" is just the morgue guy. Not in an Incarnation of an Abstract Concept sort of way. Dudes a psychic or something and he uses his powers to kill people in massive accidents, then hunts down the survivors. It's how he gets his kicks. There are no Unbreakable Rules, just whims that he goes along with. Watching people scramble looking for ANY way to survive is hilarious to him, the only thing better for him is dangling a method to escape just out reach.
The fact that Bludworth himself doesn't always know the plan would seem to throw a wrench in that idea.
I'm betting that in the original _X-Files_ script, he was probably supposed to be a secondary protagonist, trying desperately to help Agt Mulder get a step ahead and being disregarded or even treated with criminal suspicion by Dr Scully-similar to the role Alex ended up taking in the finished film.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy Why would that change anything? My whole theory is that he's LYING. There is no plan, that's why the rules don't always seem consistent. Sometimes he plays dumb or something.
(I admit, I've only seen the first three and that was over a decade ago so I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but unless Death kills him or something else definitive "he's lying" covers a lot of sins.)
My version is that but with it actually being death. Like, death has powers and is supernatural, but is also just really petty about people they tried to kill surviving.
Mine was always Death just gets bored. So he gives visions to certain people as a way to play a game. The morgue guy is just the only one who ever beat death, and I suspect he's aware he's only delayed the inevitable. I mean he knows all the rules, some of which are cryptic and some he tells at different times. As if he's done all of them himself.
@@Radb707 well now I just want to see a '90s remake of _The Seventh Seal_ starring Tony Todd.
Honestly sounds like the rule you are missing is the following: "Death (aka The Coroner) can just fuck with you for fun"
My preferred interpretation is that Death really likes giving grand speeches about the rules, and is really into the idea about being the chessmaster and everyone else being pawns in his game, but then he just sucks at actually enforcing them.
Like as he comes up with the rules all he's thinking about is what a devious genius he is, but when it comes time to actually carry out his design he's kicking himself the whole time for making it so complicated.
Death: Hey I’ve got too much PTO . Who can cover for me?
Rube Goldberg: I’m your man, Death.
I think you have to kind of look at it in 3 phases.
1) Death's Plan:
You're fated to die. Only a premonition of the future can save you.
2) Death's Shitlist:
You escaped a fated death. Death will try again, going down the list in order and using similar methods. You can escape with outside help or foreknowledge, but you just get put back at the end of the list. Methods seem to get further from the original after some time.
3) Death's Cleanup:
This is basically a second Plan for people who survive the Shitlist stage for an extended period of time. This stage also seems to evade premonitions.
Death's Cleanup is more or less you survived Deaths Plan as the consequences of Deaths Shitlist. You were supposed to die at another time but you survived because someone else who survived a different plan died.
I think the way this all works is quiet simple "Death makes a plan to kill you, and if something he didn't predict happens and you don't die he makes a new plan to kill you at the soonest time possible, but all the stuff he planned will happen anyway (such as Billy dying, even tho Carter was saved) and you can't off yourself because death holds a grudge against those who cheat him (don't wanna have you dying on your own terms) and actively messes with them by giving clues, and possibly fake-out deaths that wouldn't have killed you, (like the one with Frank and Tpon mom) but he makes the plans based on the list"
TLDR: Death is an angry dude who loves to make plans in advance, holds grudges and is bad at improvising
Death's like a bridezilla basically.
He has a plan, he REALLY wants his perfect plan to happen for his perfect day and actively tells everyone HEY YOU LISTEN, YOU SEE THOSE SIGNS? THIS IS MY DAY. THIS IS HOW WE DOING THIS mmmk???
And if someone messes with like a sudden act of god (heh, no pun intended), or an ex coming in to interrupt the wedding, or if a shipment of flowers is delayed or it's too windy and his dress keeps flying, he will NOT be happy about it, he will make it VERY VERY clear that he's not happy about it, and if you step out of line too much, you WILL be kicked out of the wedding and reception prematurely, with no takebacksies on the gift registry, and he'll deal with you later for trying to mess his wedding day... and you WILL most likely get an earful more than any other... but death still has his bridezilla wedding day to go to, he still has to get married and go through the day and original plan itself and make sure that all the other things happening, like the priest and the musical band and the food caterers etc all do their shit properly on time, or else he has to adapt and improvise there as well... The show must go on,,, for now, but bridezilla aint gonna be done with you for trying to mess with her day, one day or another, she'll remember that moment and go and confront you with a grudge about it.
And as for "why did the people in the last movie get impaled and didnt have just normal deaths like the first movie in their original deaths?" well, my good sir, the answer is simple: You mess with bridezilla once or twice, and you'll start of with the "no, that's now what i wanted", but if things keep messing up with bridezilla's day, she's gonna start having the side eyes at you, or get frustrated and ask for someone else to "just deal with it, i have other shit to do, this is MY day"... what might have been a slap on the wrist before or she let slide for a bit suddenly becomes more forefront on her mind... so if after multiple movies and dozens of people messing with his big day, bridezilla death is just NOT having it and is so beyond infuriated that if she finds out that someone ordered indigo flowers instead of lilac colored flowers, she will probably go full berserk and tear you up a new one and shred you to pieces for just being the straw the broke the camel's back, even though your "sin" or "interference" was probably mild compared to others, but read the room dude, bridezilla death is 1 pimple away from just molotoving the entire champagne fountain and setting the whole place on fire and to hell with it all, literally.
Why would you think that death would immediately circle back to Kimberley after “Mr Cool”… isn’t it explained in the first film that death continues down the list and circles back after finishing the list? So essentially, after being saved, Kimberly is now last.
Yeah, I'm confused on why he's confused. Also, where does he get the idea that her friends die after her. I assume they would all die at the same time, since they are in the same vehicle.
When you kill someone, you take their place on "Death's List". And the list is a constantly changing thing, regardless if there is a big accident or not. I believe Death just uses events like the plane crash and the rollercoaster crash as a quicker way of crossing off names. There's no specific reason to them, except maybe flight 180 to tie up FD5's remaining two survivors
Honestly one of if not the best analyses on the Final Destination series I've ever watched. Fantastic editing, amazing jokes and perfect musical toning throughout the entire thing. This honestly feels almost like the subplot of a crazed lunatic that would be in one of these movies, constantly trying to reason with the main cast before probably being blown up by an automatic mixer that had milk spill on it. Amazing video, so glad I found this.
I've never agreed more to a comment, maybe except some of Argentina winning the World cup...
I was a fun analysis to watch, but I don’t think he fully understand what was going on. Someone explained to the where he was wrong. I’m the comments.
Haven't watched yet, but I've hated these fucking movies for ages entirely due to super overthinking the whole idea of "Death" as a force with a conscious will of its own in this franchise. I have no clue what OP's takeaway will be, but I'm excited just to see that someone else has a video doing the same thing lol
i think the deal with nathan is that when you kill someone, you only get the time they have to live, you aren’t just saved from deaths list. so, given roy had cancer and was already going to die soon, nathan only got the time roy had left, which wasn’t a lot
with nick, i believe that death didn’t plan for him to die once he got the best friend’s years, he ended up just being collateral because someone else had a separate premonition and he just was in the wrong place at the wrong time
lastly, loved 10 tapes and the type of content you do here also seems really up my alley, keep up the good work dude
I think that what gives the premonitions and clues to the deaths isn't Death itself, but a separate entity trying to work against Death. Because why would Death make its own job harder.
Maybe death just likes to have a little fun
@@wiseforcommonsense If he has a whole list I doubt he's doing it out of fun
@@zephyrprime8 I mean, he is going to everyone eventually, why not do some crazy things along the way 🤷♀️
It's death's bratty younger sibling
But why not just always give them premonitions every single time so they always know what to avoid
Reminds me of an anime with the same premise, called "Another" except the people in Death's line of fire (an entire class of high schoolers at a specific school) are there because someone somehow got resurrected and they can actually survive if that person i think realizes they're dead or maybe kills them I don't remember.
Oh crap. Let me try to remember this shit. The curse had something to do with having more people then seat. Or some shit. But it was ended by killing the previously dead aunt/TA that was taking up the extra seat or something
There were 30 students in a class (that wasn't disbanded for some reason) that would be cursed because a student died decades ago and the class pretended that she never died so that cursed the class to have an extra desk (person who is dead) to occupy that seat
This would cause the students to start dying in freak accidents (except the kid who had a heart attack) involving not only them but the people around them like their families and friends
To stop this the students would have to basically "banish" the extra desk (person) by either killing or ignoring them (the opposite of how the curse started)
Now the students' memories are altered slightly so that they can't remember who exactly is alive and who is dead so they can't identify the actual dead person to save themselves
Eventually they figured out that the extra desk (dead person) doesn't need to be the one who is banished
Someone just has to be banished (usually by shunning them) they just need to have the number of desks be lower than 31
So to save themselves they randomly choose a student to ignore so that the number of desks is offset meaning that there's only 30 desks now instead of 31
They may or may not shun the right person but it doesn't matter so long as they live
Our protag doesn't know this immediately and comes in and fucks up the process and the deaths start again
(SPOILER ALERT)
APPARENTLY the "extra desk" wasn't even a student but was the protagonist's aunt who was a teacher there so she had her own "desk" taking up a space she didn't have or own in the teachers office
She was murdered and thrown into the river and a student witnessed this and knew it
But her memory was altered like the other
BUT she had the ability to see dead people basically giving away who the dead person (extra desk) was
Only problem was that she was chosen as the person to be shunned so that the extra desk would be negated and nobody would die
So nobody would even acknowledge her until protag came along and fucked things up
(Sorry for the long ass post)
The son was probably getting oral surgery of some kind. Like a root canal. In the US, people aren't put under for fillings or cleanings. They are numbed for fillings. "Laughing gas" is overrepresented in American media that briefly features dentists. Like the Britney/Brittany episode of Glee.
Yeah, also nitrous oxide (laughing gas) isn’t a sedative. It’s just a relaxer (akin to a single glass of wine) that gets flushed out of your system immediately within a couple minutes after you stop breathing it in and you’re safe to drive immediately. It’s nowhere near ketamine in terms of strength or effect. (Also tbh my dentist does offer laughing gas for cleanings and fillings but it’s less of a necessity and more of a “here’s an option to make things suck less” kind of thing.)
I do love it when people who arent from the US see the US portrayed in media and make assumptions about them based off of that, because it's exactly what they accuse people from the US of doing (and admittedly they are sometimes right!). Turns out it's just something people do sometimes!
to me it seems almost like death looks for a way to “accidentally” kill you and if it can’t see a way then it skips you and goes next and comes back for you.
It only skips if it fails. It tries in the same order. The problem for characters is that death comes randomly. It could take minute or years for death to try again. I don't think death allows one to auto-delete either. Yikes.
@@TheTillmanSneakerReviewyeah in one of the movies, (I believe the first) a guy takes a cops gun trying to off himself but all the shots don't fire.
When the cops takes his gun back he checks the cylinder and all shots are still there waiting to be fired.
So when its your turn only death can kill you it seems.
He doesn't care about the order. He finds amusement in watching them flounder trying to figure out a nonexistent logic in his designs, so he just drops some cryptic hints about some underlying rules that he makes up on the spot just to make them trip over each other, then kills them off in ways he finds hilarious.
I remember when Final Destination 3 was on DVD they had a thing on the dvd were you got to sort of "choose your own adventure" where scenes would pause and you would choose what the person would do. It was honestly really cool!
Hell yeah man, I remember thinking that was the coolest thing as a kid.
I bet that Death trying to figure out the best ways to resolve his lists looked a lot like you trying to figure out how he did it.
For the second movie, I always assumed Clear existed on a second list from the rest of the people of the movie. A list of one. So death just comes back to her whenever he thinks he has a shot of getting her.
My theory is that it's kind of like a set of lists that consist of people who all died within one single premonition rather than a constantly running list of people next in line to die, so she would practically still be on a list of one.
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Which makes sense. Its crazy to think Death is only capable of focusing on a single list at a time. People die all the time, he's gotta be able to multitask.
My thoughts behind how the rules just kinda crumble after the first movie is because the longer someone is alive after they're supposed to die causes ripples and prevents others who should have died from dying, so sometimes Death just gets as many of them at once as he can. Its an out of control snowball effect.
I think that might have been what they were going for with this moment from the second film [24:06], like Death's sloppy attempts at getting rid of the previous survivors just resulted in even more survivors for him to take care of, forcing him to scrap his previous rules and try out some new ones to fix this problem.
For someone doing an analysis, you clearly didnt pay attention during the last film man! They don’t skip death entirely, they just get the remaining life of the person they “Kill”!
Hence why Nathan died after such a short time.
32:36 "and we all know what happens when something drips onto electrical equipment in these movies - it becomes stronger" had me wheezing 🤣
"People are made of jello and toothpicks in the Final Destination-verse"
The way I understood the list in the first 2 films is that death wouldn't circle back until he took a shot at *everyone else* after you on the fix list if you avoided him. He didn't kill Carter, so he went for Billy, hit, Clear, missed, Alex, missed, and back to Carter. Also the "premonition" list and the "deaths I fucked up to fix the premonition list" are two different lists, both separate from the normal deaths of everyone else.
In 3, it didn’t go back to Mr. Emo before finishing with the rest. The sign that killed him was meant for her, but because he was in her way and stopped them, he was standing where she would’ve had everybody else died before her had no one intervened. He inadvertently saved her, then Death circled back to the to of the list.
My theory is death is less a methodical planner taking out his list one by one, and more like a guy who is looking for stuff in a shop, but its not his usual one, its from a town over. So everything is vaguely where it should be, but hes not sure where so hes just going about grabbing what he can at the time in whatever order he finds them.
And sometimes, the stuff he needs is out of stock, so he has to look to see if its there some other time, untill he gets it.
My understanding of the "skip rule" is that it would skip the person and then go through the whole list before coming back to them. It's still not a perfect explanation but I think it works a little better.
What more do you need? I don't know how much clearer it can be? Like death is moving and can't stop the flow to turn and kill the person. Death will just get them later on.
That's literally exactly what the characters say multiple times.
About the dentistry thing, for most dentist visits in the USA you dont get drugged. If it's just a checkup they wont put you under or anything. If they're filling a cavity or something small they'll use local anesthetic like novocaine or rarely lidocaine. If you are you are going for a major procedure or there some problem that prevents local anesthetic from being viable they'll put you under using NO2
Unless you have other issues that make it impossible unless you can't resist.
@@Jenna2k thats what im talking about when I said "or theres some problem that prevents local anesthetic from being viable"
NO2 (a.k.a. laughing gas) does not anesthesize, only sedate, making you calm and doesn’t remember anything. It’s still must be used with local anesthesia.
The only time I've ever been put to sleep during a dentist visit was when they were removing wisdom teeth, because that was a pretty major operation.
Do you consider tooth removal or "killing" tooth nerves a major procedure?
So these are Death’s rules as far as we can make out from the films:
If you cheat Death, Death will come after you.
Only new life can beat Death (either by pregnancy or resuscitation)
Death will give you signs/premonitions (either to fuck with you out of spite or it may be a separate entity giving them)
You cannot die before it’s your turn (Death is spiteful and worked hard on the list)
*If you are skipped Death will cycle back to you after finishing the list (though Death will take any opportunity to kill you if possible)
*Victims of Death’s list can alter other people’s fates (creating a second list if they cheat Death again)
Victims of Death’s list can kill others to claim their place on Earth (their time on Earth is now yours to live out however long or short it may be)
Rules marked with an asterisk have been shown to have exceptions or multiple different outcomes that may contradict the rule.
put an asterisk on allat
"Death will give you signs/premonitions (either to fuck with you out of spite or it may be a separate entity giving them)"
This one is the one that always bugged me the most. This idea of death seems like a petty fucking asshole, especially with the amount of collateral at the end of most of these. I feel like everything around it makes it feel like these premonitions *have* to be coming from some separate entity. Overthinking death in these things has bugged the shit out of me enough as it is, but this right here is what always pushed me over the edge. Like what is it? Why can it intervene in some way but not really matter in the end anyway? I hate that I can't get these films out of my head 😤
I always interpreted the premonitions as just the characters being paranoid about everything once they know death is coming for them. Death themself doesn't do anything except knock over the domino effect to strike you off the list, it's just the people who are terrified of death who think there will be MORE signs to show them they're coming for them, when the only thing they saw was the initial dream/vision.
@@shrimpchris6580 Someone in a different comment mentioned that there were books to the franchise that proved it's not death giving the clues, it's fate attempting to fight against death.
@@3mindrebelI didn’t know that.
Maybe I should give the books a read.
When you think about everything that was accomplished, there is a pretty good argument that these movies are about a person with psychic powers misinterpreting their visions as being associated with ab intelligent force of death. The deaths along the way are all random, which explains the inconsistent pattern, but there's enough coincidence that humans can imagine a pattern with rules.
And the undertaker is just a powerful psychic who likes messing with people or a bystander who ALSO thinks he understands the rules, but clearly doesn't - maybe adapting new rules over time trying to explain it the same way the audience does.
In the end, the pattern doesn't matter. Everyone eventually dies, regardless if whether it's now or later. Imagining there's a pattern gives us all an illusion of control over what is a completely inevitable and inescapable process.
One thing I give props to the movies is the fact that it’s a scary movie series, and the black guy does NOT die first
unless you metaphysically interpret the coroner being Death as the first death
@@SamGarciaTony Todd did play a character who was murdered so when you think about it you make sense
YES.
My theory is that Death does it on purpose, giving people premonitions of their demise to get obsessed with, because it relishes in their panic and fear. There's no purpose on the list except for making sure the people on it never have a peaceful moment, going over the visions in excruciating details, but it's all in vain.
And Death only lets some of them live a bit longer in order to transfer the visions to the next subjects of interest.
I also think so mainly because we all know everything dies. And some people believe(irl) that if you keep think of somehting and obsessing over it then eventually it comes true. Like someone thinking that the whole world is after them or the fact that no one actually likes then and theyll end up alone only to make it be true and eventually they can't trust anyone and those close to them ends up leaving.
I think death just makes them overly obsessed and, in turn, does its job for it.
I wonder if it likes people to be afraid before they die because it seems to not strike when people are at peace first. In the end death has a job so maybe it all doesn't matter how they feel., it's just that most ARE afraid to die.
This is pretty much the point of The Final Destination. Nick sees "it's coming" scratched into the table the the coffee shop, and at the end of the movie those words are scratched out with "IT'S HERE" scratched underneath it, followed by him speculating that "what if us being here was the plan the whole time?"
The even neater part is that if you slow down each of his premonitions you'll see the words "IT'S HERE" hidden in them.
Death is legit just fucking with these people.
Ha, good theory but the writers definitely did not think this far ahead and weol
1st one made me thought that it is his guardian angel or Persephone, the queen of underworld. The _why_ came at the 2nd, with the pregnant x-survivor like what if the offspring of these survivors' is necessary for the helper's coming to life because the child would be soulless, unfated or something.
Well just a headcanon--theory crafting during those times...
from what I understood of the last film it wasn't so much that you were safe after taking a life, but more so that you were switching places with the guy you killed. So nathan killing roy, made him switch with roy causing roy to die now and nathan to die when roy was originally supposed to die of the cancer just in a different way.
ps. as for main guy I always took it as wrong place wrong time, just more collateral.
for the main guy maybe the "doesnt work if theyre on the list" rule is also true
It's all part of Death's game like you can't die until your turn, signs before someone's next, etc.
It's nitrous oxide. an incredibly common light painkiller and anaesthetic. given the mothers overprotective nature, it wouldn't be odd for her to have requested it to prevent her precious kid feeling pain from his tooth drilling.
What if Death's plan is that he's trying to find someone to replace him, so he can retire?
Also it'd be neat if the whole Kimberly premonition was to get her to go to Clear to get Clear to leave the Safe Zone so Death could get her.
Oh, like a much less wholesome Spiritfarer? Interesting idea.
Considering the whole highway crash was to kill people who's deaths got interupted by the catch-up deaths of the first movie? It doubling as a way to get Clear out in the open to get her finished as well makes sense...
Almost? Maybe?
@@RipOffProductionsLLC I always thought Clear was the target.
The part about using Kim to get to Clear is pretty well set up around the beginning of the second act, when Kratos and the other survivors all swap stories about how Alex and his party saved their lives the previous year. None of them were actually supposed to die in the Route 23 Pile-Up-they were supposed to die earlier, and Death chose that opportunity to help get rid of Clear in the same decisive action. It just didn't count on Deputy Dewey coming up with a creative but acceptable interpretation of the whole "new life" clause, so it needed to off him and Kimberly in the subway crash at the end of FD3.
I honestly love death being portrayed on screen in these movies as some looming, intimidating and unseen "villain" that you literally cannot fight, while in other media it's portrayed it as almost this all-knowing entity and confidant to whoever is ready to accept it with open arms, and cross over. That duality is wonderfully terrifying. Id always wondered how it worked, i never thought the design for the movies was consistent but man, it got me thinking. Glad it finally drove someone else crazy who can better explain it😂
When you don't fuck with death, it's great. When you do...
in castlevania, it's a bastard, that's it, that's death's character, a bastard (in the series it's just a demon who sucks out the last breath of living beings and is a bastard, in the games it's a demon created around the fear of death and is also a little bit of a bastard)
20:30 used to work at a dentist's in America. It was (at least where i worked) Nitrous Oxide. We also fed in Oxygen, at the same time. We did surgeries (implants, removals, etc) for those instances, but, on occasion, yeah, we would gas up people who had severe anxieties. We previously used a laughing gas, but that was outmoded, by the time I came to work there.
The cat stealing a 'death strip' is the best part. Kudos to you for doing this for all of us.
Killing someone else to save yourself only steals the time they had left alive. That's why the reveal that Roy had cancer is there. Roy only had a few more days to live.
Also, I've heard the theory that the signs and premonitions don't come from Death, but are actually a second entity (for the sake of simplicity we will call "Life"). Life works in opposition to Death, allowing the characters to escape Death, although briefly. It makes about as much sense as anything else in this franchise.
I like to think that there's a second entity out there (perhaps a work colleague) who likes to fuck with Death by giving people premonitions just for the fun of it (since timeline-wise this all began with a paper company, maybe they have a sort of Jim & Dwight dynamic?).
Especially with the revelation that 5 is a direct prequel to 1, which then resulted in a chain reaction of events resulting in 2.
Poor Death is out there trying to clean up an ever expanding mess and get their lists in order, while some Jokester keeps giving people premonitions, making Death's job even harder.
Jokester = Jim, Death = Dwight?
Just an fyi, there are also Final Destination books. 😅 They’re not any better I hear.
Also for some clarifications:
• Alex and Clear actually go back and forth for years saving each other before Alex dying. This is why Clear blames herself and locks herself up.
• Kimberly and Burke actually die later down the line. Apparently they meet by coincidence at a hardware store where a car crashes into. While they survive and are trying to escape, they fall into a wood chipper.
The second part might be canon. The producers said that it's up to the viewer to decide whenever Kim and Burke is still alive or dead
@@cmartin8093nah, in FD3, there’s a segment where when looking at the newspaper, it shows that they both died
I like that your name for the popular girls/the Ashleys in Final Destination 3 is the "nice girls". They genuinely were nice and meant well. They were a nice break from the creepy pervert guy and the evil guy, for instance.