@@Cashmoneez ez parry but good pressure. Ganon is slow so it's not hard to recognize the move and parry but it's about the spacing as opposed to the move coming out. Slower Characters in ult struggled due to lesser movement options, for reference in Melee Ganon just wavelanded to mitigate slow air and ground speed, but since wavedashing isn't nearly as good this is the best thing he has as it lets him run away with a wall in front or behind
For those of you practicing but can’t quite tell if or when it’s working, use Mario, you’ll know when you have the backwards momentum but you don’t go through the backflip animation. Instead you’ll go through the forward jump animation while drifting backwards.
That's a really good way of knowing if you got it, it doesn't have to be Mario tho, many characters have this to animations just as distinct, works with wolf too for example
As gimr noted, I think a lot of people knew about this at a basic level but never thought of how powerful it could be when incorporated with buffering and as an actual tool
@@sirsamo4232 I been doing this input since Brawl. This was a tech in Brawl. Movements absolutely sucked in that game so when we found out you can just run forward hit diagonal back and jump to quickly turn around that was like the extent of advanced techs in that game 😂 But yes peach is a great example in which this input was already being done prior to its discovery. I’m honestly surprised people didn’t find it out when RARing was discovered
To the people wondering about patches. This is an emergent tech, which means they would have to tweak the whole base mechanics if they wanted to get rid of it. It would be a whole mess and if they in fact removed it many other things would be affected
In the trailer, at 1:53 he does the tech in real life, at 1:11 he uses slingshot on a shield because it is a tech mainly experimented on shield pressure
And the poster with the black circle is the shield bubble. Well supposedly representing the shield bubble and when he rips it up thats how u know it will be good shield pressure
11:00 how to flickshot 12:22 flickshot drift away 12:38 flickshot drift in 12:52 tips on failures 13:20 how to holdshot 14:15 how to fullshot 15:05 buffer system
@Sauce While many of the details might have been known, the applications shown in this video are entirely new. There's a reason pros never did movement that looked like that before now.
@Sauce Don't worry dude ur completely right. Nothing about this is meta changing. These noob viewers get overhyped cuz of Gimr's exaggerated presentation style, and will get mad at anyone who tries to undercut it. Once they actually try it out in matches, they'll see very little change in gameplay and results.
Not enough comments like this. I realize it’s a video game channel, but let’s not forget the content creator has a real life outside of video games. Rip VGBCM.
Yeah, it was. She’s beautiful and it sounds like she was and still is loved very much. In my view, mothers are what keep the world spinning. There’s nothing better than a mother’s unconditional love and support
It also just makes rising bair safer. I'm just shocked at the idea that Ness players didn't already know this tech. Lucas players have been doing it for years lol
@@IAm-zo1bo Stupid to think there won't be lol. Sakurai said he was done after Brawl btw. Here we are at Smash 5... Plus, Nintendo as a corporation owns Smash. Ultimate is literally the highest selling fighting game of all time. They're making a new one with or without Sakurai, it's not up to him.
@@BIGAMBERFAN it looks easy so yeah I think it will be done online. If you think this is too much for online then you must not know what it's like to play some characters online. Some already have to do stuff way harder than this online.
This tech is something that makes me really want to get back to labbing characters again. This time it'll be through a new lens of potential. Certain characters with bad spacing or OOS options could benefit immensely with this. Thank you for sharing this, you deserve a good rest and cake.
Just think about melee’s progression 😵💫 That was years and years in…although I guess the circumstances are different, considering how deep the mechanics are in that game
@@silvesta5027 the most similar mechanic melee has to the slingshot is wavedashing, and sakurai figured that out during development. the community figured it out like 2 months after release. a lot of the fundamental melee tech was discovered quite early on
Respect to Gmir for he always looks for new ways to help us in the game. The slingshot makes that can help us get closer to melee in terms of movements. Much love man
I would like to see someone do a video on what slingshot means to each character. Something like that would give people more insight to how good this is and I won’t have to figure it out myself.
I'm so thankful for how in-depth this guide/discovery is, this video really needs to be the go-to template for anything tech related in smash. Even when looking for basic stuff like how to do a rar, it can be hard to know why you screwed it up, or why a certain input is coming out. I can tell you worked your ass off to make this as comprehensive as possible and I just want to thank you for your efforts. Most people don't know this, but I was actually the person who discovered the pac-man doubles infinite ladder strategy in Smash 4 (the video is on my channel for anyone curious), I remember feeling amazing when people payed attention to the discovery and started telling people about it. Etika (RIP) even shared my video with people and it caught on like wildfire after that. Word spread quickly, and before long I was meeting people locally who played Smash who knew about this tech and they were surprised to learn that I was the one who made it. Very cool feeling, I'm glad I was able to contribute to Smash in some small way. Looking forward to seeing this out in the wild, thanks for the tech and for the content.
Im as hyped about this as i am skeptical. I hope your mom is resting in peace bro, your love of this game is so blatantly shown here and I genuinely thank you ♥️
i dont think a single smash player thinks command inputs are too difficult. however ive seen a lot of fgc people quit melee because they could hardly l cancel lmao
@@jojivlogs_4255 I saw a lot of people complaining about command inputs when Terry was added. Obviously there weren’t many professional players complaining, but definitely a lot of more casual players did cause they were “unfair”
I got real confused and had to rewatch what happened cuz I wasn't expecting that. If that is somehow consistent enough you can land it at kill% then it's huge for ridley, but I kinda doubt it in which chase dthrow to fair is probably still the better option
@@michaelcross7665 im pretty sure that only works at 0% but not kill percent. It seems unoptimal unless it does more damage than fair but I dont play ridley so I wouldnt know
absolutely. You can pester people with a consistently tipper fair, nair or bair now and faster speeds than ever before. I think holdshot tomohawk also could make marcina in general a lot scarier
Just been trying out the slingshot some in the training room after rewatching this for about the fourth time now and I just wanna say thank you for all the effort you put into discovering this tech and the amount of work you did for this video presentation too. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but thank you immensely for being a wonderful part of the smash community GimR
How would this work with a Pro Controller? Is it even possible to use this effectively without the GC con? (I actually just asked this in MKLeo's channel moments ago lol, so hope somebody can help on that.)
I want to see Ice Climbers twitter combos implementing these. Like, holdshot with down b seems legit broken. You just pushed back the IC's mains 12 years into reaching 25% of perfection
ICs are super affected by this, now that I think about it, bc their max air drift is good, but the time it takes for them to get up there is slow, AND they’ve got their desyncs for another layer for them.
I’m so impressed with this whole out of content… I can see how much time you spent on this. And the special announcement at the end I’m so excited for this all sounds so awesome I’m hype !!!
Idk about this one cuz cap gamon lucina and anyone with up b out of shield that moves sideways and comes out really fast but then they are open maybe idk
@@allen2reckless676 they need a lot of sideways movement, and it looks like the attacker still has options for stuffing out that punish depending on who it is, so while up b out of shield may still be good, it’s only good on far less characters now. For instance, Cloud up-b suffers massively, as may the oppressive GnW up-b, but the likes of Bowser are likely less affected
Wait. I've been doing this with little Mac but I never used it in battle. I only used it to keep my hands warm. I'd run back and fourth doing the flickshot. I never thought of anything at the time but I tried what he said and it felt very familiar to me and then I realized. Wow. That awesome that you find this tech. I never knew I was doing anything different. But I guess I know how to do it well. Now that I know it actually has more uses than just running back and fourth I'm gonna practice it more. Wow. Thats awesome. Congrats man. Truly amazing
I tried learning how to do that phantom displace for so long, I never fully got it. But this definitely feels similar to that concept, just a little easier.
Its the equivalent to wave dashing in melee in all honesty just instead of landing its the opposite lmao. Which holds true that this game is the opposite of melee
@@33Pokenerd This is genuinely the best tech I could have asked for, instant bairs just in general are so freaking hard for me but they're the #1 thing I wish I could do consistently that I just haven't been able to. This really does change the game
I love this kind of stuff. As someone who took a break from smash due to school seeing people learn about phantom footstools, IDJ, and now this honestly makes me wanna return to the game and lab it out.
slingshot time stamps how to do it: 9:34 flickshot: 11:00 holdshot: 13:19 fullshot: 14:10 gimr show you that you can buffer slingshot: 15:02 gimr show you some things you can do whit slingshot: 16:26 thank you gimr for everything
I’m in training rn labbing this the input is actually so quick This puts an extra layer into the game I can only do it on halfspeed so far (slowed down) this will make ultimate so much more advanced
I imagine Yoshi will get a tonne of mileage out of this, between egg throw/lay and neutrals... and if he messes up, he double jumps away for free cant wait for *multi-fair drifting*
broken characters will become more broken but all the other characters will become better as well so it probably won’t change the tierlist too much other than a few outliers.
Gimr, I just want to say thank you for all that you do, I'm unfortunately unfamiliar with the work you do most of the time, like with vgboot camp, but I found out about you through your videos, and I appreciate it very much, I also appreciate vgboot camp. I hope that you aren't working too hard, and hope that you are doing well in general and I wish you the best, and thank you again for your content and contribution to the community in general. Lots of love.
Imagine doing miss-inputs while training RAR and wondering why your character moves so strangely... Watching a video a few years later just to get the explanation for it LMAO
It was predictable but obvious, the slingshot wasn't going to really change the meta. It's just one of those techs, even if tis one is more complex and useful. The lab can create and elaborate things for the world. But not change the world. This is the same thing for the slingshot.
@@chrisbeach423 yea so he says. some people discover some weird tech (not just talking about wavedashing. same goes for stuff like L cancelling) and sakurai just pops in an claims it to be a feature. riddle me this batman if it's a feature why was it nowhere mentioned or kept in newer titles? they did realize it in development but didn't bother removing it and just forgot about it. it wasn't intentional.
@@Daylen151 it's not exactly intentional. Sakurai and his team found out about it while in development. It's more like a consequence of melee's physics more than anything. As for L cancelling, it's a feature originated from smash 64 probably meant to help players land into shield after an aerial easier. Hope this helps👍
Even if ultimate wasn't done with patches, this wouldn't make sense to get patched out. It's not some infinite nor is it a glitch that negatively affects the game. It's fundamentally quite simple and really just provides a great movement option by combining basic mechanics together
I haven't touched smash in a while, but Lucas was my main so seeing him being one of the most to benefit from this tech I might get back into smash if Nintendo doesn't patch it.
this is definintly a tech people have known about and definintly not used much, i personally can think of doing a air hop away reverse arrow on link is the most common ive done. but this video definintly goes into depth on how and why its a thing and is solid
Itll remind me of DBFZ if this really is effective. Like how moonjump/buffered dash super jump on DBFZ changed the gameplan on certain matchups. Not necessary but its very optimal as an answer for certain situations.
The intro was obnoxious, but 4:04 was perfect and amazing. Mario going 'yeehoo' right before Void goes ;o with the music was hilarious. And also the video's content is cool too.
My condolences for your mother. I hope time can give you the comfort of living without her and get you used to the pain of the absence. she might be gone but the love will always remain.
I’m wondering about the implications of this in terms of shield breaks. Is it feasible for a puff to get 2 pounds on shield without being punished? Idk this feels meta changing.
Stopped playing ult a while ago, so take this with a grain of salt. This tech is all about aerial momentum, but pound kills or severely slows your momentum when you use it, so it probably doesn’t directly benefit from this. Instead, everyone (including Puff) will be much better at shrinking shields with their aerials, which could open up the threat of breaking the weakened shield with just one pound.
No, but puff has always just barely been able to do u-tilt into pound and that breaks, so with slingshots puff can DEFINITELY punish oos with pounds that will be near unpunishable
So...what are your thoughts?
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It’s insane, you’re amazing
This is just crazy, thanks man
This is definitely changing the meta!
Nairo missed his court date for this
HE FINALLY MADE IT TO HIS LAB LET'S GO!!!
The real lab was the friends we made along the way
Long ass hallway...
@@odaciousL underrated comment
:D
UH OH
to see ganondorf escape AND punish an out of shield grab almost brought me to tears. thank you gimr
that was beautiful... it moved me to tears almost too!!
That’s what caught my eye the most lol. Ganny is now optimal! I wonder if this will shift character tier list.
@@pinkzki6473 Mewtwo's better off, now that he can get his big tail out of danger.
ez parry tho
@@Cashmoneez ez parry but good pressure. Ganon is slow so it's not hard to recognize the move and parry but it's about the spacing as opposed to the move coming out. Slower Characters in ult struggled due to lesser movement options, for reference in Melee Ganon just wavelanded to mitigate slow air and ground speed, but since wavedashing isn't nearly as good this is the best thing he has as it lets him run away with a wall in front or behind
we now live in an era where _ganondorf_ can be safe on shield, what a time to be alive
Ganondorf's nair is safe even if you do it while raising. Shield pressure is not his problem
Bair was already safe on shield, lol
@@squirtleislife1312 well it was, but the other way
His nair is not safe on shield. Even if rising. The safest move he has is the sweet spot max spaced Bair at -4 on shield.
@@squirtleislife1312 you funny
For those of you practicing but can’t quite tell if or when it’s working, use Mario, you’ll know when you have the backwards momentum but you don’t go through the backflip animation. Instead you’ll go through the forward jump animation while drifting backwards.
Thanks
I started trying out the lag cancel timing by putting cpu at 30 and then doing down tilt back air back air jab lock with Mario
That's a really good way of knowing if you got it, it doesn't have to be Mario tho, many characters have this to animations just as distinct, works with wolf too for example
So should it ne back or forward jump?
@@2Kaleb it should be the forward jump animation
As gimr noted, I think a lot of people knew about this at a basic level but never thought of how powerful it could be when incorporated with buffering and as an actual tool
Yeah, I remember I used to do something similar to the flickshot, but never did it at a perfect or significant level shown here.
That's because it's just a variation on the RAR tech
@@rosewendigo7748 same, I literally only used it for Roy’s jair lmao
I figured this out when i was learning peach gf backair spam lol
@@sirsamo4232 I been doing this input since Brawl.
This was a tech in Brawl. Movements absolutely sucked in that game so when we found out you can just run forward hit diagonal back and jump to quickly turn around that was like the extent of advanced techs in that game 😂
But yes peach is a great example in which this input was already being done prior to its discovery.
I’m honestly surprised people didn’t find it out when RARing was discovered
9:30 Inputs
11:03 Flickshot
13:20 Holdshot
14:10 Fullshot
Ugh thank you
Thank
Thank you lol i didn't wanna see the whole video for it lol
Thanks lmao
Who?
To the people wondering about patches. This is an emergent tech, which means they would have to tweak the whole base mechanics if they wanted to get rid of it. It would be a whole mess and if they in fact removed it many other things would be affected
I don't see anything broken there, they're obviously not patching this lmao
@@ABC-ik9vj yeah, this doesn't affect the enjoyment of casual players.
13.0.1 is the last update for Ultimate anyway, so idk why people think that this'll change.
@@cancrusherify maybe if they find something else on a character but yeah
Also the game isn't getting balance patches anymore so...
In the trailer, at 1:53 he does the tech in real life, at 1:11 he uses slingshot on a shield because it is a tech mainly experimented on shield pressure
THATS SO SMART
Omg u right wtf
And the poster with the black circle is the shield bubble. Well supposedly representing the shield bubble and when he rips it up thats how u know it will be good shield pressure
His leg tho rip foot
@@allen2reckless676 it represents the footstool vfx for phantom footstooling
09:32 Timestamp for the start of the explanation
10:58 Flickshot
13:19 Holdshot
14:11 Fullshot
9 whole minutes lol
Thank you
Thank you
@@DrSwazz niggas dont know how to scrub through a video
doing god's work
11:00 how to flickshot
12:22 flickshot drift away
12:38 flickshot drift in
12:52 tips on failures
13:20 how to holdshot
14:15 how to fullshot
15:05 buffer system
thanks
Thx
Seeing gluto's reaction to leo saying "I can spam nair more!" Is priceless
4:46 lmao
Yes!! I was thinking the exact same thing
I think Gluto was already doing that tech with Wario nair, he doesn't seems really surprised
this was fucking sick. gimr was not exaggerating at all when he said it’s meta changing. absolutely legendary
@Sauce I feel like gimr did a really good job expanding on it though, and obviously it impressed the pros so at least some of it is new
@Sauce POV: rando NPCS think they know more than people who dedicate their lives to this game
@Sauce I saw this so long ago and I don't even play Ultimate.
@Sauce While many of the details might have been known, the applications shown in this video are entirely new. There's a reason pros never did movement that looked like that before now.
@Sauce Don't worry dude ur completely right. Nothing about this is meta changing. These noob viewers get overhyped cuz of Gimr's exaggerated presentation style, and will get mad at anyone who tries to undercut it. Once they actually try it out in matches, they'll see very little change in gameplay and results.
RIP VGBC Mom, that was a sweet dedication
Not enough comments like this. I realize it’s a video game channel, but let’s not forget the content creator has a real life outside of video games. Rip VGBCM.
Yeah, it was. She’s beautiful and it sounds like she was and still is loved very much. In my view, mothers are what keep the world spinning. There’s nothing better than a mother’s unconditional love and support
@@chanlaman2565 true man. You only get one mother(biologically speaking).
I accidentally disliked this comment even tho I meant to like it :(. You get my like back
Surprised I had to scroll this far to find a comment like this, but may VGBC mom rest well 💙
Ness can get so many more easy kill options with back air now omg
Also prob a cross-up tomahawk grab to back throw
It also just makes rising bair safer. I'm just shocked at the idea that Ness players didn't already know this tech. Lucas players have been doing it for years lol
He can do pk fire even more safer now
i saw someone truecombo pk fire 3x into dair spike... lets hope you can di out of it
and nair
Honestly, even if it isn’t as impactful as wavedashing from melee, this looks like it’ll provide some insane options for Ultimate!
I mean it won’t be as impactful as wavedashing but it could very well be put into the new smash but with melee physics mods and be a very cool feature
@@peter42466 you say that as if we're certain about a new smash game
Ultimate players won’t even use this. You guys don’t use new tech lol
@@IAm-zo1bo Stupid to think there won't be lol. Sakurai said he was done after Brawl btw. Here we are at Smash 5... Plus, Nintendo as a corporation owns Smash. Ultimate is literally the highest selling fighting game of all time. They're making a new one with or without Sakurai, it's not up to him.
@@ClimbingKeen Already seen people using it…
The best part is this tech is easy to do. It took me 2 seconds to get it semi consistent. Im honestly shocked this wasnt discovered before.
Inb4 lil Timmy pulls up saying he's been doing this since day one.
it probs was found b4, but gimr pushed it and popularized fs, gimzdashing
Some pleople say they already knew about this, so theres a possible chance this was some under hidden discord tech
Lavish tweeted he's been doing it since 2018 with proof lol
Glutonny tweeted hes been doing the tech too
bro really changed the whole game
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right now try it out online and see how much has really changed
@@net-neutral of course it’s not gonna change the game online doofus
@@BIGAMBERFAN
Well, I won’t be able to utilize this. So I know my friends won’t be able to. No way this changes anything for us.
@@BIGAMBERFAN it looks easy so yeah I think it will be done online. If you think this is too much for online then you must not know what it's like to play some characters online. Some already have to do stuff way harder than this online.
This tech is something that makes me really want to get back to labbing characters again. This time it'll be through a new lens of potential. Certain characters with bad spacing or OOS options could benefit immensely with this. Thank you for sharing this, you deserve a good rest and cake.
This is crazy! It's impressive you've found something this game changing so late into the game's life!
Late? There's not going to be anything else for a while so this'll apply for years!
This game came out only four years ago, for a mainstream fighter with lots of attention I wouldn't consider it "late" into it's lifespan lol
Just think about melee’s progression 😵💫 That was years and years in…although I guess the circumstances are different, considering how deep the mechanics are in that game
@@stinkyballsmeller considering most fighting games have a 5 year competitive lifespan it kinda is
@@silvesta5027 the most similar mechanic melee has to the slingshot is wavedashing, and sakurai figured that out during development. the community figured it out like 2 months after release. a lot of the fundamental melee tech was discovered quite early on
This sounds really promising for dealing with Falcons horrendous backdash. Cant wait to try this out
Thinking the same thing. Can't wait to see what fatality and other falcons come up with this.
Gawain!
So glad you're still around
Love your content
Thought the same
I am glad you are alive
Oh no
4:46 You can see the exact frame where Glutto is processing what Leo said and realizing the meaning of it
so funny XDD
Respect to Gmir for he always looks for new ways to help us in the game. The slingshot makes that can help us get closer to melee in terms of movements. Much love man
(Thick Russian Accent) "I love Gmir. He is my favorite player."
@@Escobamos (Jersey Accent) Agreed
you ultimate SCRUBS will never approach the GREATNESS of melee
@@puru7976 stink
How is making ultimate closer to melee good for anyone but melee players
I would like to see someone do a video on what slingshot means to each character. Something like that would give people more insight to how good this is and I won’t have to figure it out myself.
There's at least one pro or semi-pro for every character and I imagine all of them are gonna do their own video on this.
I'm so thankful for how in-depth this guide/discovery is, this video really needs to be the go-to template for anything tech related in smash. Even when looking for basic stuff like how to do a rar, it can be hard to know why you screwed it up, or why a certain input is coming out. I can tell you worked your ass off to make this as comprehensive as possible and I just want to thank you for your efforts.
Most people don't know this, but I was actually the person who discovered the pac-man doubles infinite ladder strategy in Smash 4 (the video is on my channel for anyone curious), I remember feeling amazing when people payed attention to the discovery and started telling people about it. Etika (RIP) even shared my video with people and it caught on like wildfire after that. Word spread quickly, and before long I was meeting people locally who played Smash who knew about this tech and they were surprised to learn that I was the one who made it. Very cool feeling, I'm glad I was able to contribute to Smash in some small way.
Looking forward to seeing this out in the wild, thanks for the tech and for the content.
I can't wait to see Fatallity and Larry Lur get a hold of this.
And Sean
Daddy fatalityyyy Imagine the best falcon mastering the flickshot
Tweek's Diddy pressure gonna be insane
@@jackturner691 This combined with the banana is gonna be crazy
Larry with this tech… whoa
Can we all just appreciate the animators who worked on the Gimvitational announcement at the end
Im as hyped about this as i am skeptical.
I hope your mom is resting in peace bro, your love of this game is so blatantly shown here and I genuinely thank you ♥️
Is it just some rule that whenever there’s a movement tech in a smash game, Lucas is just really really good with it.
Smash players: "Command inputs are too difficult."
Also Smash players: *basically doing a pretzel motion over and over*
Never change, Smash community.
Does that include Melee players? Because they love discovering new command inputs. The slingshot command input is similar to moonwalking.
@@BBB-pe3ip neither the slingshot or moonwalk are command inputs
i dont think a single smash player thinks command inputs are too difficult. however ive seen a lot of fgc people quit melee because they could hardly l cancel lmao
@@jojivlogs_4255 I saw a lot of people complaining about command inputs when Terry was added. Obviously there weren’t many professional players complaining, but definitely a lot of more casual players did cause they were “unfair”
Smash players have consistently complained about command inputs because they were too hard and gatekeeping and whatever
So it is ironic
Hope this mean people will practice slingshots instead wavelands now in between stocks
lmao
Yoooo lol
Why am I feeling called out ?
This will revolutionize the Squad Strike meta. Pog
LMFAOO
Everyone: Sling Shot
Ridley: Run Up Dthrow Usmash
Yes
I got real confused and had to rewatch what happened cuz I wasn't expecting that. If that is somehow consistent enough you can land it at kill% then it's huge for ridley, but I kinda doubt it in which chase dthrow to fair is probably still the better option
@@michaelcross7665 im pretty sure that only works at 0% but not kill percent. It seems unoptimal unless it does more damage than fair but I dont play ridley so I wouldnt know
Yeah I didn't watch the video far enough he even says later that it probably doesn't even matter haha
So Marth might be kinda scary now, he has a good fast spacing option
The potential is real
Eh... it's marth
Lmao no more slow side b movement lets go
absolutely. You can pester people with a consistently tipper fair, nair or bair now and faster speeds than ever before. I think holdshot tomohawk also could make marcina in general a lot scarier
MARTH SLINGSHOT NAIR INTO STUTTER STEP F-SMASH HAHAHAHA
Just been trying out the slingshot some in the training room after rewatching this for about the fourth time now and I just wanna say thank you for all the effort you put into discovering this tech and the amount of work you did for this video presentation too. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but thank you immensely for being a wonderful part of the smash community GimR
How would this work with a Pro Controller? Is it even possible to use this effectively without the GC con? (I actually just asked this in MKLeo's channel moments ago lol, so hope somebody can help on that.)
Every character showcased I thought "that's terrifying." And I'm sure many more not shown will be too. Well done!
My condolences GimR. It must be one of the hardest things to go through.
I want to see Ice Climbers twitter combos implementing these. Like, holdshot with down b seems legit broken. You just pushed back the IC's mains 12 years into reaching 25% of perfection
ICs are super affected by this, now that I think about it, bc their max air drift is good, but the time it takes for them to get up there is slow, AND they’ve got their desyncs for another layer for them.
Oh god I think you might be right. It could probably extend desync combos by letting you follow up farther away.
9:37 Basic inputs
11:04 Flickshot
13:29 Holdshot
14:15 Fullshot
Spam this mans likes up 👆
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Thanks!
16 ON TRENDING CONGRATS GIMR
ONE OF THE BIGGEST SMASH VIDEOS UR DOING SO WELL SO HAPPY FOR YOU
I’m so impressed with this whole out of content… I can see how much time you spent on this. And the special announcement at the end I’m so excited for this all sounds so awesome I’m hype !!!
Thanks to your lovely mother for giving birth to a legend ❤️
I never heard of GimR until now but he seems awesome.
@@FZone96 he totally is, he is possibly the man who created the most smash ultimate tech of any person
May she rest in peace. Shed be proud man
Lemme just say that I'm a longtime Lucas main and when I heard him say that Lucas had some of the most versatile uses of this tech... 😩😩😩
BRO IK SAME. When i saw him fair shield slingshot and then djc zair 🥴🥴😩
Same here! It’s a great day to be a Lucas main.
same, i quit smash but I might come back if Lucas getting some fresh to tech
@@iminumst7827 same
bro rope snake is now unpunishable oh my god u could outspace like 70% of the cast
Sorry for your loss, dude. May you mother Rest In Peace. Thanks for the tech
I’m 2:30 into this video and I already love the video. Great intro gimr
Can't wait to see how Kirby can use this tech. I'm surprised that Mythra wasn't shown.
KIRBYYYYY
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@@Juggleboy Can't wait to see what you will provide us regarding this tech
@@Juggleboy hey I'm sub to you we need a new video
Ikr
I'd be curious to see a Marth using this to space the tippers
yep i think this is going to bring marth up to proper placement. i just need to see what he can do
Leo about to bring him back
There is a small video of leo trying it somewhere.
@@THGnat yes I saw it, nothing too crazy for now but im a believer
And if everyone’s safe on shield…
*laughs* No one will be.
Idk about this one cuz cap gamon lucina and anyone with up b out of shield that moves sideways and comes out really fast but then they are open maybe idk
@@allen2reckless676 there's a reason he mostly showed it with shield grab and not gnw up b I think
@@thelittlestseal well yeah im just saying its punishable with out of shield up b. Especially with those that got horizontal movement with up b
That is an *Incredible* Reference too 😎
@@allen2reckless676 they need a lot of sideways movement, and it looks like the attacker still has options for stuffing out that punish depending on who it is, so while up b out of shield may still be good, it’s only good on far less characters now. For instance, Cloud up-b suffers massively, as may the oppressive GnW up-b, but the likes of Bowser are likely less affected
Wait. I've been doing this with little Mac but I never used it in battle. I only used it to keep my hands warm. I'd run back and fourth doing the flickshot. I never thought of anything at the time but I tried what he said and it felt very familiar to me and then I realized. Wow. That awesome that you find this tech. I never knew I was doing anything different. But I guess I know how to do it well. Now that I know it actually has more uses than just running back and fourth I'm gonna practice it more. Wow. Thats awesome. Congrats man. Truly amazing
19:35 really put into perspective how much crazier this is than I thought
Just from the first 30 seconds of the video I had to give a like.
VGBC Mom did a great job of raising you y'all to be kind people, rest in peace.
The movement inputs is something that needed to do Displacement Phantom with Zelda, but much less lenient to do, certainly it's an awesome thing!
Wait does it work. Will we finally have phantom knoght infront of zelda facing forward
I tried learning how to do that phantom displace for so long, I never fully got it. But this definitely feels similar to that concept, just a little easier.
@@AricinGrey That tech defeated me too.
I notice that a lot if top Zelda players don't even use it.
@@Jackaljkljkl it seems good, but unless you can do it consistently I don't see getting much use out of it.
I've never seen anything like this. The way the characters move is so interesting and could definitely be game changing
Its the equivalent to wave dashing in melee in all honesty just instead of landing its the opposite lmao. Which holds true that this game is the opposite of melee
It's great to see you still shaking it up man, thanks for breaking the meta
This looks like an adapted smash version of sfv shimmy with corner pressure slowly becoming the meta this will be dirty
May Gloria Rest in Peace.
THIS IS GONNA MAKE HITTING JOKER’S FAIR 1 KILL CONFIRM SO MUCH EASIER TO HIT IN NEUTRAL THANK YOU SO MUCH
my exact thought
this is gonna make roy jab bair with full hop so much easier too lmao
@@33Pokenerd This is genuinely the best tech I could have asked for, instant bairs just in general are so freaking hard for me but they're the #1 thing I wish I could do consistently that I just haven't been able to. This really does change the game
As an inkling main, I can see approaching/pressuring someone with back air so much more consistent. Ty gimr
Heck yeah, I think Inkling could benefit massively from this!
@@feltonthecat475 yeah!
I love this kind of stuff. As someone who took a break from smash due to school seeing people learn about phantom footstools, IDJ, and now this honestly makes me wanna return to the game and lab it out.
slingshot time stamps
how to do it: 9:34
flickshot: 11:00
holdshot: 13:19
fullshot: 14:10
gimr show you that you can buffer slingshot: 15:02
gimr show you some things you can do whit slingshot: 16:26
thank you gimr for everything
I’m in training rn labbing this the input is actually so quick
This puts an extra layer into the game I can only do it on halfspeed so far (slowed down) this will make ultimate so much more advanced
I imagine Yoshi will get a tonne of mileage out of this, between egg throw/lay and neutrals... and if he messes up, he double jumps away for free
cant wait for *multi-fair drifting*
I used to do a similar movement with yoshi in smash 4 with fair.
Does this mean Pikachu's aerials are +100 on shield now?
oh uh
broken characters will become more broken but all the other characters will become better as well so it probably won’t change the tierlist too much other than a few outliers.
@@iamawin8272 Rob cant do it lol
@@iamawin8272 there's not a broken character
@@iamawin8272 i disagree, characters with great air speed/drift specifically will move up more than the rest
Sakurai: Well, looks like it's back to the lab with me. Time to make the spiritual successor to Brawl.
This is pretty interesting stuff! I look forward to seeing how characters in general make use of this new tech!
Only GimR can find out how to wavedash in the air
Gimr, I just want to say thank you for all that you do, I'm unfortunately unfamiliar with the work you do most of the time, like with vgboot camp, but I found out about you through your videos, and I appreciate it very much, I also appreciate vgboot camp. I hope that you aren't working too hard, and hope that you are doing well in general and I wish you the best, and thank you again for your content and contribution to the community in general. Lots of love.
Imagine doing miss-inputs while training RAR and wondering why your character moves so strangely... Watching a video a few years later just to get the explanation for it LMAO
Now we all go back to the lab again
It was predictable but obvious, the slingshot wasn't going to really change the meta. It's just one of those techs, even if tis one is more complex and useful. The lab can create and elaborate things for the world. But not change the world. This is the same thing for the slingshot.
But if you replace/add different planks and decorations to the ship is it the same ship, etc.
sakurai pops in tomorrow: "yea this was intentional. not a bug it's a feature"
wavedash was intentional though lol some kids wrote about it in like 2003 and he confirmed it, or so he says 🤔
@@chrisbeach423 yea so he says. some people discover some weird tech (not just talking about wavedashing. same goes for stuff like L cancelling) and sakurai just pops in an claims it to be a feature. riddle me this batman if it's a feature why was it nowhere mentioned or kept in newer titles? they did realize it in development but didn't bother removing it and just forgot about it. it wasn't intentional.
@@Daylen151 it's not exactly intentional. Sakurai and his team found out about it while in development. It's more like a consequence of melee's physics more than anything. As for L cancelling, it's a feature originated from smash 64 probably meant to help players land into shield after an aerial easier. Hope this helps👍
ya literally no
Might be the biggest tech discovery since Wavedashing! Just gotta hope it never gets patched out!
it probably wont since ultimate is done with patches
Even if ultimate wasn't done with patches, this wouldn't make sense to get patched out. It's not some infinite nor is it a glitch that negatively affects the game. It's fundamentally quite simple and really just provides a great movement option by combining basic mechanics together
Patching this out would mean they’d have to change the way the game works fundamentally and they aren’t gonna do that
Patches have been done for a long time now
*and phantom footstooling
I haven't touched smash in a while, but Lucas was my main so seeing him being one of the most to benefit from this tech I might get back into smash if Nintendo doesn't patch it.
patches are done ✅
This isn't a glitch so why'd they even want to patch it? They'd have to change so many base mehanics.
@@syntax2679 no he's not nintendo said the last update would be the final one
@@syntax2679 final patch troll
0:00 Intro + Trailer
3:15 Pros’ reaction
9:20 How to do it
26:40 Announcement
GIMR SAVED ULTIMATE
Pit's aerials were never very safe, so I hope this is huge for him.
Pit air speed is trash
@@ABC-ik9vj Yeah, but so is Ganondorf’s and as you could see, it seemed to benefit him.
His nair is -6, Fair -9 with the range it has, dair is -8, bair is -3. They're pretty good.
But I suppose this would help his landing lag, which was what I was thinking of? There's 8-14 frickin frames of l. lag on each aerial.
@@ABC-ik9vj Well he can still use it for like a [bair -> slingshot -> arrow] which doesn't care about his air speed.
Skip to 5:29 for the explanation, 9:33 for the input
Rest in paradise VGBCMom 🙏
More than anything as someone who mainly just plays and watch melee this makes ultimate look much more fun! :)
That introduction was fucking incredible. Well shot, creative, the works
Omg the potential of peach with this tech is insane
grounded hover can already do this though, no?
@@logandunlap9156 Yeah, but now it is way more consistent, which means you'll actually see peach mains pull it off in bracket
Peach is ultimate's melee fox imo
@@Tonjit41 lol no
@@Tonjit41 Peach is ultimates melee peach. They play pretty similar all things considered
I’m surprised you didn’t show Yoshi since he has the fastest air speed. It’ll be very cool to see the fastest slingshot
Ewwwwww!
Oop was a mistake announcing your a yoshi player. Honestly tho cant wait to see what ill have to deal with against yoshi players
Oh my god that's gonna be horrifying
Don't forget Limit Cloud, Hero w/ Acceleratle active or Speed Art Shulk
@@lududelubin3011 oh yeah can't wait to be limit slingshot back air ledgetrapped by cloud. Jeeze
The shield pressure with this is gonna be crazy oh my gosh
25:16 "OH YEAH, SHOTOS CAN DO THIS"
Immediately after the text box, you can see Terry the shoto doing it. Lmao
this is definintly a tech people have known about and definintly not used much, i personally can think of doing a air hop away reverse arrow on link is the most common ive done.
but this video definintly goes into depth on how and why its a thing and is solid
Slower moves like Blade Beam might be decent against this. Something like that might punish the drift in version.
lmao imagine reading this shit with a warlock punch
Itll remind me of DBFZ if this really is effective. Like how moonjump/buffered dash super jump on DBFZ changed the gameplan on certain matchups. Not necessary but its very optimal as an answer for certain situations.
Exactly what I was thinking!!!
Took the words right out of my mouth
excuse me but what are you talking about ? and why dragon ball fighter z?
@@PunkySlush like wavedash or b reverse ?
@@ssbplayer8117 The smash player's brain explodes as soon as you bring up an example from a fighting game
Defeat and anxiety are only temporary...
The gimz always wins
The intro was obnoxious, but 4:04 was perfect and amazing. Mario going 'yeehoo' right before Void goes ;o with the music was hilarious. And also the video's content is cool too.
My condolences for your mother. I hope time can give you the comfort of living without her and get you used to the pain of the absence. she might be gone but the love will always remain.
This blew my mind. Gimr sends us all back to the lab
He finally found the lab
I’m wondering about the implications of this in terms of shield breaks. Is it feasible for a puff to get 2 pounds on shield without being punished? Idk this feels meta changing.
Stopped playing ult a while ago, so take this with a grain of salt. This tech is all about aerial momentum, but pound kills or severely slows your momentum when you use it, so it probably doesn’t directly benefit from this. Instead, everyone (including Puff) will be much better at shrinking shields with their aerials, which could open up the threat of breaking the weakened shield with just one pound.
@@cise3895 Right. That makes more sense. As well as just being a movement option in neutral.
Puff can get up tilt into pound for a shield break with this
@@soulvynthis334 I just saw that video!! I feel validated now lol.
No, but puff has always just barely been able to do u-tilt into pound and that breaks, so with slingshots puff can DEFINITELY punish oos with pounds that will be near unpunishable
Marth is officially MID HIGH TIER! Slingshot to Nair to F-Smash will be gold!
I know you broke the meta but that intro is super crisp my guy!! Excellent cinematography
BACK IN THE LAB AGAIN BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
GIMVITATIONAL GONNA GO HARD
9:30 Basics
11:03 Flickshotting
13:19 Holdshotting
14:09 Fullshotting
Why are you here
@@Maros_ I’m inside your walls
When he said back to the lab it felt like I had a war flashback
We leave the B.S. (Before Slingshot) and enter the A.S. (After Slingshot) era, the meta changes!!!
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super fascinating, thanks for all your work over these years. Smash is such a great community to be a part of!
I straight up cheered hearing “What’s up guys, GimR the Video Game Scientist from VGBootcamp here.” Welcome back, king