It is pretty cute if you think about these games as stories a woman is telling her daughter about her husband. I like to think she’s adding more characters to the stories to keep her daughter invested. Like, give Sonic a cute sidekick and a tough but cool rival. Maybe they aren’t rivals but actually competitive friends (Henry). And all the other friends and rivals Sonic meets along the way are also created by Mary. Like Shadow, Silver, Blaze. It also makes some of the games more beautiful when you think about it. Like Super Sonic is a lot more powerful when you think that it’s her telling about her husband and how much of an invincible hero he is, even after his passing.
Some of the characters he meets can be lessons that Mary is teaching her daughter. Shadow losing Maria could be how Mary and her husband were separated, and how loss can be very tragic, but as long as you keep them in your heart, they’ll never go away. Sonic Adventure, Perfect Chaos could be the anger and pain Mary had after her husband died at the world, but again, Sonic was there to make her feel better and bring her peace. Maybe one day she got drunk and made Sonic Forces.
Ok, that last part got me... But yeah, it's pretty cool to think Sonic is a fairy tale's hero based on the lost husband of Mary, probably living as a symbol to kids around this fictional universe, either in games, cartoons, movies, etc.
It's just the same with how Gerry Anderson immortalised his lost pilot brother Lionel in the form of his various puppet heroes; Scott Tracy from Thunderbirds, Mike Mercury from Supercar, Troy Tempest from Stingray. More people need to see the overlap between Anderson and Sonic. It hurts so much knowing that the fandoms could share so much, yet they barely ever interact!
@@akiro9635 no bro the tornado is sonic's plane and it was confirmed in the one of the cutscenes in sonic origins because he used it before meeting tails according to the Canon timeline. Sonic let tails use it because he knows how to fly with it and he was able to fix it and improve it like in adventure 1
@@supersonicstyle5177 The hidden narrative of Tails story arc in Sonic 2 is him learning to fly Sonic's plane XD it has Sonic written on it. Early lore, Sonic was supposed to be a fighter pilot or whatever, this concept was still being played with. Even in SA1 Sonic referred to the Tornado as his own, but after this I think Tails has his own plane. After it crashed
Also, Christmas Island is in fact an actual place irl! (Yes, since I was a kid, I always thought it was a fictional thing Sega wrote in for the Sonic series specifically 😂)
They adapted some of this in the 90s Sonic manga, making Sonic a heroic spirit that occasionally possesses a nerdy hedgehog boy named Nicky. Nicky's father, Paulie, owns a jacket with Sonic's image printed on the back.
sonic also saved paulie from a plane crash and lead him to his future wife, thus causing the birth of nicky and allowing sonic to have him as a vessel.. weird stuff, but the manga is beautiful
Isn't it later revealed that Sonic actually just _is_ Nicky from the future, traveling back to the past whenever needed to possess his younger self Shazam! style?
@@kiernanhowell-mackinley1733 oshima objected on twitter that nicky isn't actually sonic and there's also the whole story about how sonic saved paulie from a demise and lead him to brenda, so.. yeah. if he were actually sonic in the future the implications here basically recontextualize so many things
@@TonightWillBeEarly that was just SoJ's beliefs, and those themes translated into the games. Despite the marketing and material, sonic was still made by Japanese people with the themes and storytelling they're comfortable with. Alot of his western inspiration in the games were surface level. I'm not saying those didn't help the brand, but aside from small stuff like chili dogs, and robotnik. Sonic still shared the same principles from SoJ in the games.
@@TonightWillBeEarly never even implied that, nor do I think that. I think most of the manga series are mediocre. Idk why you're generalizing. And he was handled by the Japanese team's ideas on American values instead of actual Americans. Which is not bad at all. Just saying that despite wanting to achieve the same thing, SoA and SoJ crossed very different paths. Sonic in America is interpreted as a superhero, Sonic in Japan is mainly just chaotic good.
I love how there's people here who don't even know that Chuck Yeager was a real person, and was the actual first pilot to break the sound barrier in 1947.
It's still crazy how Sonic doesn't really have a definitive backstory in the games. All we really know is that he was born on Christmas Island, he had met Eggman before the events of Sonic 1, and that he was hanging out on South Island before Sonic 1. Besides that, I can't really recall anything else on Sonic's game backstory. His true backstory could really be _anything._ Well not truly anything, but the idea he just started existing honestly isn't that far fetched.
@@SonicXisCanon Everything is and isn't Canon, and it's not gonna matter, because this is exactly what SEGA had in mind when creating Sonic. Create an icon that is more than just a video game character, but a pop culture icon. It really doesn't matter to SEGA what the fans think the story is, they will try to provide context if they can. SEGA knows that the fans will eventually go off and make their own material which furthers the spread of Sonics image. Ppl make fan games all of the time and eventually Sonic will be Public Domain and it will not matter to them.
@@SonicXisCanon Unlike Sonic X, the games never had a "two worlds" narrative The games always took place on Earth, where it just so happens that humans and anthropomorphic animals co-exist, most of the time just minding their own business and leaving each other alone, unless someone like Eggman starts messing with things.
This story actually may have impacted the design of several aspects of the games The Sonic logo has a "pilot motif", with the wings at the sides, and several icons from the genesis games like the star on the bumpers were inspired by the star logo on the F-14 Tomcat airplane Basically, Sonic Team were in love with the movie Top Gun when they created Sonic
Actually I see plenty of overlap with the backstory of Gerry Anderson. His older brother Lionel was a pilot in WW2, and even starred in a movie named "The Thunderbirds". Sadly his plane was lost in enemy territory in 1944, and he's presumed dead. But the legend of Lionel never left Anderson, and he would go on to make several television series with heroic leads based upon his brother. Hell Thunderbirds is practically a cheese platter of heroic pilots, Scott, Virgil, Alan, Gordon, John.
Go to you tube music and listen to Masato Nakamura's demos of his Sonic game music; the one called "The theme of sonic the hedgehog" fits this genre nicely!
It's really funny to consider the implications of Sonic starting as a children's novel series, because that means eventually, Marie or whoever kept on writing the books wrote an ending to that universe's Sonic Frontiers that either caused the game studio who makes Sonic games in that universe to make their own ending instead of adapting the original ending of the novel with Final Horizons, or the other way around.
worth noting this story apparently got adapted into the first Sonic movie draft in ‘95 on another note, if mary granet ever gets canonized into modern sonic lore, i’m willing to bet she’s gonna be put in sonic’s reality than ours considering so much work went into it (and it’d be a shame if it were all to be coma theory’d)
Sometimes Sonic's creators and writers remember it one way; sometimes another---but they decided if Sonic is gonna have a past; it will be preferred a multiple choice lol
This origin story would also explain the use of the winged emblem in the Classic games’ titles. It’s very much a symbol used by the air force. My collaborator and I were originally going to reference this particular origin story in our fan comic continuity, having one of Sonic’s previous lives be revealed to be Henry Gordon. And then through time-travel antics, Sonic would gotten flung throughout time and wind up unknowingly rescuing Henry’s daughter.
@@johnnygyro2295 Currently, yes. But it’s evolved quite a bit from where it originally started, to the point where it’s not quite the same anymore. And as of now, it’s currently undergoing yet another revision - one that may hopefully be the final version.
I honestly find this obscure origin story for Sonic to be pretty charming, and while some people might not consider it canon, it's one of those things that'll always matter to me. Great video!
I find it charming because it has a hero already: USAF Brigadier General Chuck Yeager, who served from World War 2 clear through to Vietnam. (I wonder if my great grandfather served under him? 🤔)
I can straight up see this being some sort of meta Sonic X or Sonic movie storyline. I kinda do see this being one of those fictional autobiography stories that would reveal Sonic to being somehow real at the end to show how life is treated as precious through the influence of Sonic.
It even gives the original character design a little more context- Naoto Oshima himself mentioned that Sonic's art style was inspired by 30s cartoon characters like Mickey Mouse and Bimbo the Dog, cartoons that were commonly depicted on bomber jackets and nose art in the 1940s.
13:22 to me this kind of echoes NiGHTS' origin and how it's supposed to break the forth wall in that kind of way too, though there the concept is gotten across way more naturally with the dream setting
Thanks for making a video on this Sonic Origin story. This American pilot story probably explains why the Sonic logo consists of wings, stars and a striped ribbon.
If there are any Sonamy fans in the comments let me make this clear here. That "girlfriend" the Technical files are referring to is NOT Amy Rose (she didn't exist yet when they were written), it's referring to a scrapped human character named Madonna.
I feel like it would be more in character for the GF to be Amy in the books because… having Madonna (who is obviously based on the IRL popstar who was popular at the time for banging vanilla ice and releasing a book of photos of them doing it) seems… yeah
@@adamandsethdylantoo I don't like his GF being either of them. The whole Madonna thing is too on the nose and of course there's the whole bestiality thing, And Amy is a creepy stalker that has no chemistry with Sonic at all.
@@lloydshanahan154 honestly my favorite version was the manga where he’s a nerdy Clark Kent character named Nick by day and is only Sonic when he has to power up, and his girlfriend thinks he’s a loser but that Sonic is cool. Kind of gives both of them depth in a different way.
@@adamandsethdylantoo I'll admit making Sonic a heroic Jeckel and Hide-ish character is an interesting take on Sonic, But Amy (or Emmi in this case) still sounds like a bitch but in a different way.
I actually really love the version with Sonic being a children's book character, and I'm really glad it's getting more attention. In my mind, it symbolises the power of stories and characters to help people in real life, even literally saving lives in some cases. (I've seen a video of someone talking about how another one of my favourite characters "kept him alive" when he wanted to take his life.)
Funny thing, one of the several nicknames I had in Air Force UPT (pilot training) was "Sonic" due to having spikey hair. Funny to hear that he is conically associated with the USAF.
Honestly it might’ve been neat if the human companion was a pilot, loosely taking inspiration from this story without getting into the stranger elements of it
Not gonna lie, it blew my mind realizing the first origin story is probobly where the intro scene of that canceled "sonic wonders of the world" movie where a kid is giving a presentation about a dead pilot testing experimental aircrafts to break the sound barrier before dying. That always felt out of nowhere to me but now it kinda makes sense if at some point this orign was (for a short time) set in stone and given to other people who wanted to adapt sonic That or the writers of sonic wonders of the world just so happened to come up with a VERY similar backstory
All I want to know is if Sonic came out of the jacket, does that mean Game Sonic the one from the stories, or is he the one that came from the jacket? What world do the games take place in?
Not many people realize this came from the fact that Sonic's emblems look like the air force symbol. Also that he owns a plane. Also... Sega was always relentless about mixing Sonic with humans, even saying that the 16bit games happens on earth. I'm not saying "it all makes sense, it must be true" but I can see how everything relates
Posting this video today, you reminded me of this awesome fanart based on this old origin story that showed Marie Granette having become a successful book author and writing about stories past the classic games, like CD, Adventure, Unleashed, and Frontiers.
well lets see You have the game lore, which is already nuts You have the Fleetway lore You have the Archie lore you have the IDW lore You have the animated movie/OVA lore You have the live action movie lore You have the japanese manga lore and You have the animated tv show lores......... of which there is a lot just there (SatAM, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic Underground, Sonic X, Sonic Boom and Sonic Prime)
Sonic team were still writing the games with this lore in mind by around sa2, after that im not really sure if they dropped the lore or not, but nowadays they have definitively dropped it.
This story would have ended up in the cancelled 90s Sonic movie - Sonic Wonders of the world where the main character had to write for an essay and this origin story was what he went for. This one comes around.
Well there is uncle Chuck in the Sonic SatAm cartoon but the Chuck Yeager from this story was a real person. He actually was the first pilot to break the sound barrier in 1947 and he passed away in 2020 at 97 years old. As far as I'm aware, everything else about this story is fiction.
so i learned of this for the first time a week or so ago and it’s so fascinating. i brought it up to a friend who had heard of it but not looked into it until i sent some links their way, and after reading about the Air Force connections and the airshow disaster in the origin story, they’re certain that the disaster was loosely based off an actual event! that or it’s a bizarrely unintentional happenstance. the event was the Ramstein airshow disaster to those curious, it happened in the late 80’s so it was just before the first game would have come out!
I had heard of this story before but only episode 1 of the technical files, I never knew that the story continued and that Sonic became real at the end.
MARY GARNET MENTION!!!!!! EDIT: Listened to the video at work and... "Marie Granette"? I've never heard that name for her before, lol. Is it a more accurate translation, or just an alternate romanization? Anyway I'm home now and care WAY too much about this story, so here's some shit I know! ● Supposedly, the story was meant to emulate the timelessness of things like Disney and Sanrio-the feeling that their stories have always existed. (Supposedly, because Sonic Retro's only source is a panel Yasuhara- and Ohshima-san spoke at in 2018 and there's no transcript.) ● There's some SegaSonic-brand clothes with this slogan on the tag: "Born in 1947, but made for the 90's." '47, of course, is the year the real Chuck Yeager proved supersonic flight possible. A reference to THIS story, or just HIstory? (The same could be asked about Uncle Chuck from SatAM and Grandpa Chuck from X. Speaking of, I think we're overdue for a third Chuck.) ● There's a novel-long fanfic based on this thing that I ADORED ages ago. Not linking to it because I don't know how well it's aged, or if the author wants eyes on it anymore-but it's out there! ● The obvious joke here is to look at newer Sonic games and go "goddamn Marie's lost the plot" 😅 But that joke aside... she lost a loved one due to his involvement in a secret government project. Which Sonic story could that specific experience have POSSIBLY inspired...?
The whole idea of sonic having ties to fighter pilots actually makes sense when listening to one of Masato Nakamura's demos of his sonic video game music. There is a demo he did called "The theme of sonic the hedgehog"( you can hear it on you tube music, if you type in "Masa's demos, ) and it sounds so much like an air force/fighter pilot theme! I wonder if maybe at some point Masato was asked to do this for the game before they changed the story
in shinto believes, there is a term "tsukumogami" . If a person has very strong personal attachment to certain object it can become a god "kami" that can work as a guardian deity for the person.
A couple of years ago at some Sonic-based event something "never released" has been made public, and loads of outlets reported on it. It was that "origin story" about Donic and that fighter jet, etc... But actually that story has been known and public for ages already. What they actually showed first time were some early stage concept designs. Just baffling how so many pages just misreported on this because nobody knew or cared..
This backstory is certainly. . .something. It's a very touching tale, but I prefer it to not be canon, as I like the idea of the Sonic universe being real...at least in their own universe. In other words it's a little too meta for my liking. Still a great story IMO.
Imagine if Sonic's companion in the first movie had been the fighter pilot trying to break the sound barrier. How much more interesting would that have been?
I'm pretty sure the Archie character named Garnet mentioned at the end was actually based on Topaz from Sonic X, seeing as they're both blonde secret agents named after gemstones.
Archie lore is much better and doesn't feel as off-putting as this one. Good thing this original concept was scrapped and the 90's movie about it wasn't made
Funny enough, Sonic: Wonder of the Worlds used to have like a little teensy nod to the Story Gaiden. It's barely relevant to the movie plot, but it was a neat detail.
I think I remember a Origin Story of Dr Eggman where he used to be called Dr Robotnik in a previous life, he created a Snoopingas Machine and tried to take over the world with his Mean Bean Machines.
Could you make a video about Eggman Nega? He's been pretty much forgotten by time and the last time I saw him in a game besides small cameos on the olympic games was in Sonic rivals 2 back in 2007!!! Where he gets stuck in a hell type dimension and is never seen again PS:Also he's been killed off in the comics PPS:In my headcannon I find it kind of funny and disturbing that sonic and friends just let eggman nega die of dehydration or even burn to death in Hell in sonic rivals 2.
That's a pretty cool story. I'm glad is exists. I also like the lore of "Sonic spawned out of nowhere from Mobius through chaos control!" That to me makes him feel a little more real. And if that was Sonic's origin, spawning from a pilots t-shirt, then where did the other characters come from? Did they all need their own jacket to spawn into existence? Or was the disappearance of the one iconic symbol from the jackets enough to materialize the whole world and it's inhabitants?
in the Japanese manuals it is stated that Sonic 1 is not the first time Eggman and Sonic came across each other, just that using animals as energy sources was a new method being used by Eggman
this feels like JOJO BIZARRE ADVENTURES where highly realistic, detailed historical setting mixes with super surreal - interdimensional hedgehog saves real life hisotical war pilot ;)
So if sonic is a fiction within fiction character, I wonder if the chaos emblems are the bridge between the two worlds because “thoughts become power”.
Sonic is... fiction within fiction? Do you still think Sonic Teams continues to make lore with this origin story in mind?
considering shadow the hedgehog and all that
high no.
It would be kinda confusing, is the Sonic in the games the one from the stories or the one that came out of the jacket?
Yea no they dont do this anymore
A little bit
I dont think so
It is pretty cute if you think about these games as stories a woman is telling her daughter about her husband. I like to think she’s adding more characters to the stories to keep her daughter invested. Like, give Sonic a cute sidekick and a tough but cool rival. Maybe they aren’t rivals but actually competitive friends (Henry). And all the other friends and rivals Sonic meets along the way are also created by Mary. Like Shadow, Silver, Blaze.
It also makes some of the games more beautiful when you think about it. Like Super Sonic is a lot more powerful when you think that it’s her telling about her husband and how much of an invincible hero he is, even after his passing.
Some of the characters he meets can be lessons that Mary is teaching her daughter. Shadow losing Maria could be how Mary and her husband were separated, and how loss can be very tragic, but as long as you keep them in your heart, they’ll never go away.
Sonic Adventure, Perfect Chaos could be the anger and pain Mary had after her husband died at the world, but again, Sonic was there to make her feel better and bring her peace.
Maybe one day she got drunk and made Sonic Forces.
@@EpicKevsterthat last part made me laugh
Ok, that last part got me...
But yeah, it's pretty cool to think Sonic is a fairy tale's hero based on the lost husband of Mary, probably living as a symbol to kids around this fictional universe, either in games, cartoons, movies, etc.
yeah i'm gonna admit i kinda like that angle a lot
It's just the same with how Gerry Anderson immortalised his lost pilot brother Lionel in the form of his various puppet heroes; Scott Tracy from Thunderbirds, Mike Mercury from Supercar, Troy Tempest from Stingray. More people need to see the overlap between Anderson and Sonic. It hurts so much knowing that the fandoms could share so much, yet they barely ever interact!
So that's why sonic had the tornado as HIS plane after all
tails was suppose to be his partner tornado is tails plane
@@akiro9635 no bro the tornado is sonic's plane and it was confirmed in the one of the cutscenes in sonic origins because he used it before meeting tails according to the Canon timeline. Sonic let tails use it because he knows how to fly with it and he was able to fix it and improve it like in adventure 1
@@supersonicstyle5177 The hidden narrative of Tails story arc in Sonic 2 is him learning to fly Sonic's plane XD it has Sonic written on it. Early lore, Sonic was supposed to be a fighter pilot or whatever, this concept was still being played with.
Even in SA1 Sonic referred to the Tornado as his own, but after this I think Tails has his own plane. After it crashed
@@evil_sonic_gaming maybe🤷
Fun fact: Sonic was born on an island called Christmas Island. And before someone says anything, YES! It is canon.
Screw continuity! I'm treating it as a Saturday night tv show.
_Coooome alooong with me…_
Also, Christmas Island is in fact an actual place irl! (Yes, since I was a kid, I always thought it was a fictional thing Sega wrote in for the Sonic series specifically 😂)
@@feliciaroseantonia same.
@@Popcultureguy3000and the butterflies and bees
They adapted some of this in the 90s Sonic manga, making Sonic a heroic spirit that occasionally possesses a nerdy hedgehog boy named Nicky. Nicky's father, Paulie, owns a jacket with Sonic's image printed on the back.
sonic also saved paulie from a plane crash and lead him to his future wife, thus causing the birth of nicky and allowing sonic to have him as a vessel.. weird stuff, but the manga is beautiful
Isn't it later revealed that Sonic actually just _is_ Nicky from the future, traveling back to the past whenever needed to possess his younger self Shazam! style?
@@kiernanhowell-mackinley1733 oshima objected on twitter that nicky isn't actually sonic and there's also the whole story about how sonic saved paulie from a demise and lead him to brenda, so.. yeah. if he were actually sonic in the future the implications here basically recontextualize so many things
@@TonightWillBeEarly that was just SoJ's beliefs, and those themes translated into the games. Despite the marketing and material, sonic was still made by Japanese people with the themes and storytelling they're comfortable with.
Alot of his western inspiration in the games were surface level. I'm not saying those didn't help the brand, but aside from small stuff like chili dogs, and robotnik. Sonic still shared the same principles from SoJ in the games.
@@TonightWillBeEarly never even implied that, nor do I think that. I think most of the manga series are mediocre.
Idk why you're generalizing.
And he was handled by the Japanese team's ideas on American values instead of actual Americans. Which is not bad at all. Just saying that despite wanting to achieve the same thing, SoA and SoJ crossed very different paths.
Sonic in America is interpreted as a superhero, Sonic in Japan is mainly just chaotic good.
I love how there's people here who don't even know that Chuck Yeager was a real person, and was the actual first pilot to break the sound barrier in 1947.
I knew, and he sadly is no longer with us, having died on Pearl Harbor day in 2020. 😢 RIP, you hero. 🇺🇸🫡 (starts playing Taps in his honor.)
So that explains Uncle Chuck’s name.
Knowing sonic originally was a reincarnated spirit of a dead pilot is crazy
@@SonicXisCanon true
@@SonicXisCanonso sonic is just modern lorax fighting egg onceler
@@SonicXisCanonI'm glad they didn't, it's cool that sonic is up to interpretation
@@igirjei3717 the 'origin' was more of a set up on what sonic represents.
The same principles are still relevant today.
@@BlurBlizzard exactly (albeit, arguably excluding generations, mania, and lost world, as far as the games are concerned)
I’ll never underestimate the insanity of Sonic’s origin stories
Crazy, because as far as the games go, Sonic and Eggman spawned from the ether and started fighting each other.
I think this proves SEGA was always kind of crazy.
It's still crazy how Sonic doesn't really have a definitive backstory in the games. All we really know is that he was born on Christmas Island, he had met Eggman before the events of Sonic 1, and that he was hanging out on South Island before Sonic 1.
Besides that, I can't really recall anything else on Sonic's game backstory. His true backstory could really be _anything._ Well not truly anything, but the idea he just started existing honestly isn't that far fetched.
@@SonicXisCanon Everything is and isn't Canon, and it's not gonna matter, because this is exactly what SEGA had in mind when creating Sonic. Create an icon that is more than just a video game character, but a pop culture icon.
It really doesn't matter to SEGA what the fans think the story is, they will try to provide context if they can. SEGA knows that the fans will eventually go off and make their own material which furthers the spread of Sonics image. Ppl make fan games all of the time and eventually Sonic will be Public Domain and it will not matter to them.
@@SonicXisCanon Unlike Sonic X, the games never had a "two worlds" narrative
The games always took place on Earth, where it just so happens that humans and anthropomorphic animals co-exist, most of the time just minding their own business and leaving each other alone, unless someone like Eggman starts messing with things.
Interesting lore. Sega has a lot of respect for pilots. They named a generation of their arcade hardware 'Lindbergh' after the American hero aviator.
Remember, whenever you feel alone, just know Sonic the Hedgehog, the reincarnated pilot, is watching over you.
**meat beating stops**
@@That_Guy- 😂😂😂😂
This story actually may have impacted the design of several aspects of the games
The Sonic logo has a "pilot motif", with the wings at the sides, and several icons from the genesis games like the star on the bumpers were inspired by the star logo on the F-14 Tomcat airplane
Basically, Sonic Team were in love with the movie Top Gun when they created Sonic
Actually I see plenty of overlap with the backstory of Gerry Anderson. His older brother Lionel was a pilot in WW2, and even starred in a movie named "The Thunderbirds". Sadly his plane was lost in enemy territory in 1944, and he's presumed dead. But the legend of Lionel never left Anderson, and he would go on to make several television series with heroic leads based upon his brother. Hell Thunderbirds is practically a cheese platter of heroic pilots, Scott, Virgil, Alan, Gordon, John.
Go to you tube music and listen to Masato Nakamura's demos of his Sonic game music; the one called "The theme of sonic the hedgehog" fits this genre nicely!
It's really funny to consider the implications of Sonic starting as a children's novel series, because that means eventually, Marie or whoever kept on writing the books wrote an ending to that universe's Sonic Frontiers that either caused the game studio who makes Sonic games in that universe to make their own ending instead of adapting the original ending of the novel with Final Horizons, or the other way around.
worth noting this story apparently got adapted into the first Sonic movie draft in ‘95
on another note, if mary granet ever gets canonized into modern sonic lore, i’m willing to bet she’s gonna be put in sonic’s reality than ours considering so much work went into it (and it’d be a shame if it were all to be coma theory’d)
Could have been a cinematic masterpiece like The Wizard.
Alright fanfic writers, time to start adding Meg, Henry, Chuck, and Mary into your Sonic series.
Chuck Yeager was an irl person. Writing him into a Sonic fanfic would, however, be the least unexpected choice.
Sonic's uncle from the cartoon and comic is name chuck.
Sometimes Sonic's creators and writers remember it one way; sometimes another---but they decided if Sonic is gonna have a past; it will be preferred a multiple choice lol
This origin story would also explain the use of the winged emblem in the Classic games’ titles. It’s very much a symbol used by the air force.
My collaborator and I were originally going to reference this particular origin story in our fan comic continuity, having one of Sonic’s previous lives be revealed to be Henry Gordon. And then through time-travel antics, Sonic would gotten flung throughout time and wind up unknowingly rescuing Henry’s daughter.
@@geoffreyrichards6079
Are you still working on this fan comic?
@@johnnygyro2295 Currently, yes. But it’s evolved quite a bit from where it originally started, to the point where it’s not quite the same anymore. And as of now, it’s currently undergoing yet another revision - one that may hopefully be the final version.
Sonic as a deceased jet flyer being a spirit is something new to me but I knew about Kintobor. And that explains the wings on the Sonic logo.
So that’s why Sonic’s uncle is named Chuck!?
Formely
Holy shit
Holy shit.....
Holy shit I never made that connection.
Holy shit
I honestly find this obscure origin story for Sonic to be pretty charming, and while some people might not consider it canon, it's one of those things that'll always matter to me. Great video!
I find it charming because it has a hero already: USAF Brigadier General Chuck Yeager, who served from World War 2 clear through to Vietnam. (I wonder if my great grandfather served under him? 🤔)
I can straight up see this being some sort of meta Sonic X or Sonic movie storyline. I kinda do see this being one of those fictional autobiography stories that would reveal Sonic to being somehow real at the end to show how life is treated as precious through the influence of Sonic.
It even gives the original character design a little more context- Naoto Oshima himself mentioned that Sonic's art style was inspired by 30s cartoon characters like Mickey Mouse and Bimbo the Dog, cartoons that were commonly depicted on bomber jackets and nose art in the 1940s.
@OlMrEllis It's also in the emblems.
13:22 to me this kind of echoes NiGHTS' origin and how it's supposed to break the forth wall in that kind of way too, though there the concept is gotten across way more naturally with the dream setting
I could see that
Thanks for making a video on this Sonic Origin story. This American pilot story probably explains why the Sonic logo consists of wings, stars and a striped ribbon.
If there are any Sonamy fans in the comments let me make this clear here. That "girlfriend" the Technical files are referring to is NOT Amy Rose (she didn't exist yet when they were written), it's referring to a scrapped human character named Madonna.
I feel like it would be more in character for the GF to be Amy in the books because… having Madonna (who is obviously based on the IRL popstar who was popular at the time for banging vanilla ice and releasing a book of photos of them doing it) seems… yeah
@@adamandsethdylantoo I don't like his GF being either of them. The whole Madonna thing is too on the nose and of course there's the whole bestiality thing, And Amy is a creepy stalker that has no chemistry with Sonic at all.
@@lloydshanahan154 honestly my favorite version was the manga where he’s a nerdy Clark Kent character named Nick by day and is only Sonic when he has to power up, and his girlfriend thinks he’s a loser but that Sonic is cool. Kind of gives both of them depth in a different way.
@@adamandsethdylantoo I'll admit making Sonic a heroic Jeckel and Hide-ish character is an interesting take on Sonic, But Amy (or Emmi in this case) still sounds like a bitch but in a different way.
@@adamandsethdylantoo what's the name of the manga? That sounds pretty cool.
Alternate anime title: I died from a tragic accident and became sonic the hedgehog and now I’m fighting a round man named robotnik
I actually really love the version with Sonic being a children's book character, and I'm really glad it's getting more attention.
In my mind, it symbolises the power of stories and characters to help people in real life, even literally saving lives in some cases. (I've seen a video of someone talking about how another one of my favourite characters "kept him alive" when he wanted to take his life.)
Funny thing, one of the several nicknames I had in Air Force UPT (pilot training) was "Sonic" due to having spikey hair. Funny to hear that he is conically associated with the USAF.
Does this mean that every Sonic game is technically a storybook game
yes, and the storybook games themselves are Mary's mythological fanfictions 😁
No 😅
they made sonic into an ace combat protagonist holy shit
given some of the enemies in the franchise.......feels more onpoint than expected in comparison xD
@@jonathandear4914 Belka did nothing wrong.
@@KnjazNazrath Is Robotnick a Belkan?
Imagine if the first Sonic Movie took inspiration from this.
Honestly it might’ve been neat if the human companion was a pilot, loosely taking inspiration from this story without getting into the stranger elements of it
Not gonna lie, it blew my mind realizing the first origin story is probobly where the intro scene of that canceled "sonic wonders of the world" movie where a kid is giving a presentation about a dead pilot testing experimental aircrafts to break the sound barrier before dying.
That always felt out of nowhere to me but now it kinda makes sense if at some point this orign was (for a short time) set in stone and given to other people who wanted to adapt sonic
That or the writers of sonic wonders of the world just so happened to come up with a VERY similar backstory
All I want to know is if Sonic came out of the jacket, does that mean Game Sonic the one from the stories, or is he the one that came from the jacket? What world do the games take place in?
I only knew the Technical Files version, not the comic version. Pretty cool to hear that the origin story had it's own origin story lol
It'd be funny if somehow Sonic 3 nodded to this with an Easter Egg with Tom or Sonic being gifted a bomber jacket.
Suddenly this explains why Sonic makes jet sounds when running in _Sonic SatAM._
Not many people realize this came from the fact that Sonic's emblems look like the air force symbol. Also that he owns a plane.
Also... Sega was always relentless about mixing Sonic with humans, even saying that the 16bit games happens on earth.
I'm not saying "it all makes sense, it must be true" but I can see how everything relates
Posting this video today, you reminded me of this awesome fanart based on this old origin story that showed Marie Granette having become a successful book author and writing about stories past the classic games, like CD, Adventure, Unleashed, and Frontiers.
I do appreciate stories where Sonic is portrayed as a force of nature.
Me too, I always kind of imagine Sonic as a benevolent supernatural entity who goes about helping people find freedom and happiness
@@shuacraft9193good way of putting it.
if you were from where he was from, you'd be fucking dead
I mean, considering his habit to up and vanish when the crisis is over (cue sega using “Long time no see!” In every dialogue possible), it makes sense
@BlackFlash09 Game Sonic is written as a paragon.
We need a New Reboot of Sonic that Merges The Sonic Bible, & The Japanese Backstory as Canon, as a Half-Isekai.
This is really weird. I wonder if Meg was the inspiration for characters like Maria or Elise.
@@SonicXisCanon ugh
@rosskerr1439 You have Mary and Maria.
No, Madonna was, she's even mentioned in this very video.
HOW MUCH LORE DOES SONIC HAVE?! They litterly just throw anything they can in this series.
And it's so cool
well lets see
You have the game lore, which is already nuts
You have the Fleetway lore
You have the Archie lore
you have the IDW lore
You have the animated movie/OVA lore
You have the live action movie lore
You have the japanese manga lore
and You have the animated tv show lores......... of which there is a lot just there (SatAM, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic Underground, Sonic X, Sonic Boom and Sonic Prime)
@@HorribleGamingFun TRIPLETS BORN!
Fiction within fiction.
I don't know how to feel about that.
Sonic team were still writing the games with this lore in mind by around sa2, after that im not really sure if they dropped the lore or not, but nowadays they have definitively dropped it.
This story would have ended up in the cancelled 90s Sonic movie - Sonic Wonders of the world where the main character had to write for an essay and this origin story was what he went for. This one comes around.
Maybe I was too harsh on the fanfic writers, if this is what official writers cook up.
this makes the sonic exe creepypasta look tame.
the only difference between fanfic writers and official writers is that one of them gets to force business people to pay attention to their ramblings
This makes the whole Kintobar🥚Thing sound plausible by comparison.
Man, Sonic sure has some VERY interesting origins.
Also, Henry Gordon,Chuck,and Meg need to be characters in the series.
Well there is uncle Chuck in the Sonic SatAm cartoon but the Chuck Yeager from this story was a real person. He actually was the first pilot to break the sound barrier in 1947 and he passed away in 2020 at 97 years old. As far as I'm aware, everything else about this story is fiction.
No they dont and never will
@@Thebeatkicksnever say never
@@Thebeatkicks
So, which origin story do you prefer?
@@johnnygyro2295 Sonic is born on christmas island
Clicked faster than a Sonic speedrunner beating Marble Zone in less than 30 secs
Way past cool
(Also chaomix I am a huge fan)
"Sonic would come along with his prized feet" is something I didn't know I had to hear today.
Thank You Sonic For Serving Your Country 🇺🇸
so i learned of this for the first time a week or so ago and it’s so fascinating. i brought it up to a friend who had heard of it but not looked into it until i sent some links their way, and after reading about the Air Force connections and the airshow disaster in the origin story, they’re certain that the disaster was loosely based off an actual event! that or it’s a bizarrely unintentional happenstance. the event was the Ramstein airshow disaster to those curious, it happened in the late 80’s so it was just before the first game would have come out!
All of this fiction within fictions is giving me existential dread
I had heard of this story before but only episode 1 of the technical files, I never knew that the story continued and that Sonic became real at the end.
RIP, Brigadier General Chuck Yeager. 🇺🇸🫡
MARY GARNET MENTION!!!!!!
EDIT: Listened to the video at work and... "Marie Granette"? I've never heard that name for her before, lol. Is it a more accurate translation, or just an alternate romanization? Anyway I'm home now and care WAY too much about this story, so here's some shit I know!
● Supposedly, the story was meant to emulate the timelessness of things like Disney and Sanrio-the feeling that their stories have always existed. (Supposedly, because Sonic Retro's only source is a panel Yasuhara- and Ohshima-san spoke at in 2018 and there's no transcript.)
● There's some SegaSonic-brand clothes with this slogan on the tag: "Born in 1947, but made for the 90's." '47, of course, is the year the real Chuck Yeager proved supersonic flight possible. A reference to THIS story, or just HIstory? (The same could be asked about Uncle Chuck from SatAM and Grandpa Chuck from X. Speaking of, I think we're overdue for a third Chuck.)
● There's a novel-long fanfic based on this thing that I ADORED ages ago. Not linking to it because I don't know how well it's aged, or if the author wants eyes on it anymore-but it's out there!
● The obvious joke here is to look at newer Sonic games and go "goddamn Marie's lost the plot" 😅 But that joke aside... she lost a loved one due to his involvement in a secret government project. Which Sonic story could that specific experience have POSSIBLY inspired...?
The whole idea of sonic having ties to fighter pilots actually makes sense when listening to one of Masato Nakamura's demos of his sonic video game music. There is a demo he did called "The theme of sonic the hedgehog"( you can hear it on you tube music, if you type in "Masa's demos, ) and it sounds so much like an air force/fighter pilot theme! I wonder if maybe at some point Masato was asked to do this for the game before they changed the story
If only the movies had some version of these stories.
I wonder if the fighter pilot thing was the inspiration for giving Sonic The Blue Tornado
it probably was the inspiration for giving him the Tornado plane itself
in shinto believes, there is a term "tsukumogami" .
If a person has very strong personal attachment to certain object it can become a god "kami" that can work as a guardian deity for the person.
They should make a call back to this in the Sonic movies it would be so fucking legendary
A couple of years ago at some Sonic-based event something "never released" has been made public, and loads of outlets reported on it.
It was that "origin story" about Donic and that fighter jet, etc...
But actually that story has been known and public for ages already. What they actually showed first time were some early stage concept designs.
Just baffling how so many pages just misreported on this because nobody knew or cared..
probably explains why Sonic is the fastest thing alive
Also wouldn't sonic technically be Jesus or something?
I mean I'm just saying though
@@BASEMODERNSONIChe’s more like a folklore creature
@@raheemaslam7363 yeah sum like that
This backstory is certainly. . .something. It's a very touching tale, but I prefer it to not be canon, as I like the idea of the Sonic universe being real...at least in their own universe. In other words it's a little too meta for my liking. Still a great story IMO.
I always wondered what the original Japanese story was for sonic after hearing the sonic Bible
Now I realize it's just as off the walls crazy
Look,I will be completely honest,if a blue talking hedgehog came up to me,I'd shit myself.
Imagine if Sonic's companion in the first movie had been the fighter pilot trying to break the sound barrier. How much more interesting would that have been?
I'm pretty sure the Archie character named Garnet mentioned at the end was actually based on Topaz from Sonic X, seeing as they're both blonde secret agents named after gemstones.
I can tell that NIGHTS and sonic are cut from the same cloth
Don't forget the Sonic Cook Book. Have to mention the legendary cook book. 📖
5:21 Haven't you played Sonic and the secret rings, he's not a rat, he's a hedgehog!
Goodness, sonic's uncle from the cartoon and comic was name after the pilot.
Keep up the awesome work and videos chaomix love the video
This is even crazier than Archie Sonic lore (which I love), and that is saying something.
Archie lore is much better and doesn't feel as off-putting as this one. Good thing this original concept was scrapped and the 90's movie about it wasn't made
@@ashesGeek I 100% agree.
Sonic being from a simple fairytale is heartwarming
What about that Kiritimati/Christmas Island story. That one is wild too.
Funny enough, Sonic: Wonder of the Worlds used to have like a little teensy nod to the Story Gaiden. It's barely relevant to the movie plot, but it was a neat detail.
Actually Madonna's last name Garnet could be a reference to Agent Topaz since they're both G.U.N. agents named after a Gemstone.
At 3:18 Suddenly Implodes slowing down the molecules enough to ignite as an aerosol.
I think I remember a Origin Story of Dr Eggman where he used to be called Dr Robotnik in a previous life, he created a Snoopingas Machine and tried to take over the world with his Mean Bean Machines.
You should talk about the Japanese Sonic 1 Manual that has what is the original Sonic Orgins
Because of you, I started calling my Pomeranian a rat”. 1:17 “-“
So Sonic's very first action in this origin is to slap a women
Could you make a video about Eggman Nega? He's been pretty much forgotten by time and the last time I saw him in a game besides small cameos on the olympic games was in Sonic rivals 2 back in 2007!!! Where he gets stuck in a hell type dimension and is never seen again
PS:Also he's been killed off in the comics
PPS:In my headcannon I find it kind of funny and disturbing that sonic and friends just let eggman nega die of dehydration or even burn to death in Hell in sonic rivals 2.
The Sonic Franchise and the name Chuck.
That's a pretty cool story. I'm glad is exists.
I also like the lore of "Sonic spawned out of nowhere from Mobius through chaos control!" That to me makes him feel a little more real.
And if that was Sonic's origin, spawning from a pilots t-shirt, then where did the other characters come from? Did they all need their own jacket to spawn into existence? Or was the disappearance of the one iconic symbol from the jackets enough to materialize the whole world and it's inhabitants?
6:48 it's a real place!?!
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2:26 fun fact: this story is kinda referenced in the scrapped Sonic movie, Sonic The Hedgehog: Wonders of the World.
in the Japanese manuals it is stated that Sonic 1 is not the first time Eggman and Sonic came across each other, just that using animals as energy sources was a new method being used by Eggman
You can say that, this only can happen in his world
I KNEW SONIC WAS A REPERSENTATION OF A SPIRIT, FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS I FINALLY HAVE PROOF!!!
Where was sonic on 9/11?!
our basketball team in highschool back in the mid-90s was called Sonic, our jersey has Sonic the Hedgehog as our logo. 😁
i think i just had an aneurism following all that
Sonic is always watching us
Headcanon: Henry didn't become Sonic, he became the Space Harrier.
this feels like JOJO BIZARRE ADVENTURES where highly realistic, detailed historical setting
mixes with super surreal
- interdimensional hedgehog saves real life hisotical war pilot ;)
So if sonic is a fiction within fiction character, I wonder if the chaos emblems are the bridge between the two worlds because “thoughts become power”.
Sonic’s origin story is…. Top Gun 😂😂
Alternate universe where robotnik is foiled by a Goose
just on the 90s Sonic may had more origin stories then Batman