Sonic's WORST Girlfriend - Fiona Fox

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  • @Lowart
    @Lowart  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +680

    Hey there, folks! Hope you enjoy the video. Apologies for the wait on this one, but I've been spending time working on more non-TH-cam work recently. Either way, I'm definitely going to keep talking about Archie Sonic (and other stuff), even if my output has been slower.
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    • @MrAizen0
      @MrAizen0 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I commented before you🥶

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      @MrAizen0 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And liked before you🥶

    • @MrAizen0
      @MrAizen0 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was 1st view🥶

    • @Nebulous8091
      @Nebulous8091 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thx for the video

    • @mayawhitten-desroches9800
      @mayawhitten-desroches9800 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey! You shouldn't support scentbird, the ceo of the company is a Hitler supporter

  • @cassiapeian
    @cassiapeian 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4308

    I think Fiona is so tied to Scourge because to her he is genuine. Genuinely an asshole, but as a result very predictable and thereby safer than waiting for the good guys to eventually "betray" her for not being 100% good.

    • @DoveJS
      @DoveJS 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +442

      That makes sense. I feel like Fiona needs someone who's more neutral like herself: she doesn't have to rely on them being a jerk but she also doesn't have to fear they'll turn on her for not living up to their ideals.

    • @gundamkaizer6947
      @gundamkaizer6947 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

      Definitely. I don't readily know who that might be, though...

    • @TailsFan369no2
      @TailsFan369no2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Does not compute

    • @Squarrel
      @Squarrel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Relatable. 10/10 realistic writing

    • @AzurasLunarEclipse
      @AzurasLunarEclipse 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      fiona is dating scourge

  • @kingbash6466
    @kingbash6466 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5761

    Every Sonic.EXE story that begins with Tails getting brutally tortured and/or murdered wishes they can destroy him as badly as Fiona did.

    • @jonathangrant480
      @jonathangrant480 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +155

      fr💀💀💀

    • @Sonic-VA-
      @Sonic-VA- 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +194

      That is actually....true...huh...

    • @SaddieMoon
      @SaddieMoon 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +250

      *One Fiona slap*
      Sonic.exe: *Dies*

    • @Skibster-w9l
      @Skibster-w9l 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

      Sally avenged him

    • @berrybluebird3842
      @berrybluebird3842 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      At least they didn't break his heart.

  • @tridek1949
    @tridek1949 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4221

    I dunno. Say what you will about his various love interests, but I still think Sonic's worst relationship is with his writers, lol.

    • @adcon00
      @adcon00 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +265

      Sonic's worst relationship is with Sonic Team

    • @enkayrome
      @enkayrome 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      damn you ken pen

    • @sulfurfox8644
      @sulfurfox8644 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Lmao

    • @CyberdustStudios
      @CyberdustStudios 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sonic's worst relationship is with Sammy ​@@adcon00

    • @mr.unsmiley8656
      @mr.unsmiley8656 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Kinda like Spider-Man.

  • @e.sanghvi5657
    @e.sanghvi5657 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1603

    Video Title- "Sonic's WORST Girlfriend"
    Video Contents- A spirited and compelling defense of a character I've only ever seen get dunked into the trash-can so hard the air-friction caused her fur to ignite.

    • @dragonick2947
      @dragonick2947 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +232

      She's his worst girlfriend, but not in the way you'd think!

    • @estrelaplatinada6506
      @estrelaplatinada6506 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@dragonick2947oh

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I mean she deserves the hate for choosing Scourge of all people.

    • @kos2919
      @kos2919 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      OP is head over heel for bad girls lol

  • @bf5250
    @bf5250 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1650

    I love that Fiona consistently makes bad choices not because she doesn't know they're bad-instead, she projects her perception that do‑gooders are moral hypocrites onto anyone who tries to tell her she's making bad choices and then doubles down out of spite.

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s what makes her pathetic.

    • @subtlewhatssubtle
      @subtlewhatssubtle 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

      It works so well because honestly, it's realistic. I see so many people around me who keep pouring their time and energy into decisions that are bad for them--bad jobs, bad relationships, bad life choices--who refuse to back out even when they know it's wrong. I suspect that so many hold on because to change would mean they were wrong previously, and it's just too hard to accept they were wrong for so long.

    • @556deltawolf
      @556deltawolf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      @@subtlewhatssubtle It's also a sunk cost fallacy. She already betrayed her friends and the two people who genuinely loved and cared for her (Sonic and Tails). So from her perspective, there's no going back. Even though Scourge is an abusive brute who will hurt her the moment he thinks she is a burden to him, she can't comprehend such a scenario.

    • @subtlewhatssubtle
      @subtlewhatssubtle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      @@556deltawolf One of the most depressing discussions I've had in the past was with a friend, when I asked him why he kept taking back a girl who cheated on him, stole from him, and generally didn't give him the time and respect he deserved. His answer was "having her was better than having nothing" and that statement has stayed with me for many years. I wonder how many people out there can't accept 'nothing' and prefer 'bad' instead.

    • @RobertJames-i8j
      @RobertJames-i8j 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@subtlewhatssubtle Fiona NEEDS a redemption arc, and yet still be appeasing to the fanbase, both in appearance and character. if Sonic Archie Online web comics, have no intention, then we need to take matters into our own hands, maybe via petition or complaints via email

  • @katerina13aar
    @katerina13aar 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2187

    Ian Flynn did reveal that eventually, he wanted Fiona to realise her dependency on Scourge and their unhealthy relationship. This would lead her to betray Scourge and take over the Destructix.
    Considering that Anti-Silver had been in the works around the time the comic was forced to reboot, with only concepts about him still shuffling around that all we know was that his name would have been Sterling - I have a feeling that Scourge getting betrayed by his girlfriend would have led him to encounter Anti-Shadow and Anti-Silver, sort of forming his own trio of villains.
    It's speculation at best but it would have been SO COOL!
    Even though I do like Scourge and Fiona as a couple. Ah well. That's what fan fics are for X3

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      I see this possibly being a bit like Surge an her creator where he haunts her till finally beating his ass makes to sounds stop in her head a bit like Knuckles when throwing a fecker off a Island

    • @enkayrome
      @enkayrome 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

      what would anti shadow be? “the weakest life-form?”

    • @lazaroskarmaniolas7410
      @lazaroskarmaniolas7410 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      So she's just Harley Quinn. Riveting.

    • @RobertJames-i8j
      @RobertJames-i8j 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      now that sonic archie online web-comic is a thing, that is now possible, considering that they're following the original ideas before the comic reboot

    • @katerina13aar
      @katerina13aar 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@RobertJames-i8j That depends on which Archie Sonic fan continuation you're looking at. I'm not particularly liking Archie Sonic Online, for one.

  • @AkuTenshiiZero
    @AkuTenshiiZero 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1309

    There's something strangely logical about someone with trust issues gravitating towards someone like Scourge. If you know for certain that you can't trust someone, then that becomes a sort of twisted form of trust.

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      well if you trust no one an an no one likes you why not latch onto a shield like the loud as frick person who is willing to do all

    • @Jfrost9101
      @Jfrost9101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

      Scourge is a wildcard, yes, but his boundless need to stroke his own ego means he is also easier to string along than a puppet. Something Fiona has absolutely zero hesitation exploiting non-stop.

    • @CantusTropus
      @CantusTropus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

      @@Jfrost9101 In a way, he's very predictable, and that's the next best thing to trustworthy for someone with severe trust issues, eh?

    • @kozmickitsuneame
      @kozmickitsuneame 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      ​​@@CantusTropus I've actually seen this happen in real life more times than I care to admit. People who have severe trust issues will never fully trust anyone because of the majority of the time they don't even love and trust themselves. Her being around scourge makes 100% sense because he is an unpredictable predictable person. What this essentially means is because of her insecurity she seeks to manipulate others as some form of control to make up for the fact that she doesn't trust anyone.
      I'm actually very impressed about how well this character was written because it was realistic. Essentially she is her own worst enemy in all situations. Even if scourge were to change for the better a person like that would become very hurt because they were not the ones to directly inspire that change. It's funny as this is to say it takes a person with severe trust issues to fully comprehend another person with severe trust issues lol. I'm only laughing because at the very least some of us can suppress ours.

  • @nickammann9843
    @nickammann9843 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1206

    it really feels like Fiona and Scourge's relationship ends up being the exact mirror of what Sonic has with Amy. She gets acknowledged and helps out scourge a lot but he still sidelines her while not completely killing the tension of "will they?" Its like the same kind of cat and mouse situation but toxic, which is appropriate for Scourge

    • @Victor-056
      @Victor-056 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      When you consider it as a Dark Reflection of Sonic and Amy's relationship, you have to question if that relationship is even a good thing.
      I mean, newer media related to Sonic has been trying to move away from that particular ship, and for good reason (Heck, Sonic Frontiers 'subtly' Lampshades it with Amy's boss fight song... Where the lyrics very much tells you what the problem is).
      Of course, if Amy _and_ Sonic were allowed to Mature, then it would be a whole other story... But Sonic Team has pulled a "Breaking of the Fellowship", so I can see one of two outcomes, 1) Sonic and the other members goes on new seperate adventures with many more characters, or maybe even some old ones made to fit... Or 2) Sonic Team does a Copout and Reunites "The Fellowship" in the next game.

    • @rhymerlegend2717
      @rhymerlegend2717 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I’d say it’s more a mirror to Sonic and Sally’s relationship

    • @Victor-056
      @Victor-056 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      @@rhymerlegend2717 Not really. Sonic and Sally's relationship around the time Fiona was introduced was rather solid.
      Of course, years of constantly circling writers and many of those writers having a hatred for solid relationshops resulted in Sally and Sonic's relationship devolving into a bright hot mess.
      I say "Hatred for solid relationships" in general because those same writers messed with Antoine and Bunnie's relationship, and Amy Rose and Sonic's relationship was _very_ unhealthy no matter which way you aimed it.
      I am not even being biased. Many fan works have shown that Amy and Sonic _could_ work well together if they are well-written... But when it came down to brass tacks, most publishers can never seem to get SonAmy right, and make Amy come off as either deranged, delusional or uncaring of anyone's feelings aside from those she wants to make note of, or for Sonic to come off as just uncaring until it blows up in his face.
      It is sad day when Fans write better than mainstream publishers in general.

    • @galten7361
      @galten7361 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @Victor-056 Amy's character arc in Adventure is that she has to become worthy to marry Sonic (who is a wild force bound to no one). Sonic as he is in the games is not someone who would stay in one place long-term or compromise himself/his interests for anyone not even Amy. This is a big difference from his Archie version (and other Western versions at that) who is bound to one kingdom in loyalties or at least works in the Freedom Fighters so it's easy enough to see how he could be with Sally.
      Amy as she was envisioned circa Adventure is reckless and hyper and really goofy/wacky but still able to see redemption in anyone. The angle they tried in Boom upward with her isn't really in line with this.

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Not quite considering the affection is reciprocal even if it is surface level. It's closer to sonic and mina

  • @Alabaster-White
    @Alabaster-White 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +520

    I do like the idea of "The girl saved herself and she turned out worse for it." Kinda funny in todays context in a meta sense flipping the whole empowerment thing on it's head, but I feel like it really emphasizes why some people that need help shouldn't be left behind. It's been a minute since I read that arc though so I will need to re-read to see how much of it was source or Ian recontextualizing.

    • @rayvenkman2087
      @rayvenkman2087 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      I'm surprised that with the English script for Sonic Forces stating Sonic was held prisoner for six months and all, no one has done a fan story where they parallel that with what happened in Fiona's backstory. As far as we know, Sonic either assumed his friends were killed, don't know he's still alive or similarly to her, thought they've abandoned him.

    • @lucaselias9824
      @lucaselias9824 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      ​@@rayvenkman2087nah, Sonic trush they and he KNOWS the minute that Eggman kills one of his friends HE WILL brag to Sonic with that stupid laugh and he did not do that yet.

    • @misshulabuloothe1st953
      @misshulabuloothe1st953 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Just curious. Do you have physical copies of the comics or is there somewhere online you read them?
      Just realized this is three months old, so I might not get a reply back😅

    • @Alabaster-White
      @Alabaster-White 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@misshulabuloothe1st953 I have them physical, but you can find websites that host scans. Grabberzone is one though do your research.

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@misshulabuloothe1st953Read Comics Online is a source.

  • @couchalmark675
    @couchalmark675 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +781

    When you describe it like that, Fiona's accidental ending feels a lot like the ending of The Sopranos, where it's not necessarily that Tony died, but that Tony's going to spend every day of the rest of his life with that tension hanging over him and will never know peace.

    • @bradhorowitz2765
      @bradhorowitz2765 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Wow that’s a really good comparison! And the two absolutely genuinely share even more traits. Both were traumatized at an early age to violence and that confusion and fear of being weak and scared, made them influenced to violence. The friends they chose were never friends, they were fellow gangster with similar antisocial behavior. Fiona and Tony both experienced alienation amongst “normal” folks and never were truly happy. They sought ways to fix the problem not exactly deal with what was causing it. Tony sought a therapist but never tried to stop being a gangster. Fiona tried being a good guy but never was open with how much the past affected her. Their lack of safe, stable personal relationships showed just how much the two had deep issues. Fiona dated Sonic to try and get control of her darker impulses, but eventually went to fall in love with Scrooge, a school bully who needs validation but who also threatens to beat her. In a way Fiona might have Stockholm syndrome. Anyway the two both enable their worst behaviors and yet Fiona believes she can make the green hedgehog into “her” man. Tony Soprano and Carm enable each other and become worst people thanks to their relationship. Carm even seems to think she can “improve” Tony’s behavior, and yet like Fiona and scourge she is attracted to her love’s violent side. Also, Tony threatens physical violence on his wife much scourge did with Fiona., both Tony and Fiona have massive self esteem issues, both hating to be brushed and using violence to get brief moments of joy. When they get confronted by a “good” guy as to why their actions and words seem to be conflicted with each other, the two immediately panic and get defensive. Both characters cheat on their partners which indicates that they seek both some kind of love (which they can’t understand what it is), instant gratification, and to avoid what society deems acceptable.
      And yeah, much like Tony at the end of the sopranos who seems to think he has “won” but is always going to remain the same angry, lonely, depressed gangster who no longer cares about actually living a fulfilling life, Fiona went back to Scourge, didn’t confront her psychological issues in any manner, and willingly hands over the gang to scourge. She didn’t care about actually taking charge, she wanted to go back to her old habits just like Tony.

  • @wanderer953
    @wanderer953 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +303

    A fun little detail I noticed while watching this video about Fiona's outfit after she joins Scourge is that while her clothes change to be more edgy/tuff/aggressive she still retains her cutesy yellow bow in her hair. It makes for a fun anachronism and also possible has some implications about her character.

    • @Richforce1
      @Richforce1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      I like to think it was a keepsake from her mother and that despite all her talk about not needing others deep down it's her parents she wants to rescue her.

    • @rayvenkman2087
      @rayvenkman2087 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      ​@@Richforce1In my canon, that bow is her only link to her biological parents whom she knows nothing else about and was raised in an orphanage or by step parents who didn't think much of her.
      And in a twist of irony, she finds out (Through Vector's skills) that her real parents didn't want to give her up but had to for her safety because they're involved with some real bad people which changes everything for her. Have the progenitor of all her problems be the actions of someone she never even met or had a connection to her past and that leads her to a babyface turn when she goes to avenge her parents.
      Her past crimes haven't been wiped clean but there's no longer that resentment in her and honestly, Sonic (Especially if we're factoring in IDW Sonic) could do with another friend who's not hesitant to lay it thick with him like Shadow except they're on the same team when it comes to matters. Be the pragmatic one who's not afriad to tell it how it is and challenge the others like being the Kira Nerys to their Julian Bashir when it's warranted.

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Deep down she's just a confused child.

    • @megablueman
      @megablueman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I feel like Ian Flynn was planning a redemption arc for her that never happened because of Penders.

    • @Richforce1
      @Richforce1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@megablueman He said it wasn't so much redemption as it was self-actualization. She'd realize how toxic Scourge was leave him on Moebius and become the new leader of the Destructix as "her own self-serving rock" while Scourge would team up Sterling, the anti-Silver, and maybe the anti-shadow forming a new team of their own.

  • @TheSFMWonderer
    @TheSFMWonderer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +551

    You can’t help but feel bad for Fiona. Yes, she ended up being a terrible person, but that’s only because Robotnik, not Eggman, the original Robotnik, left her trapped, and Sonic and co never found her, leaving her to believe they abandoned her, and causing her to the dark side, maybe if they had found her, she would’ve been her old self.

    • @leon4000
      @leon4000 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Thing is their rescue attempt went to crud because of the Power Gem Ray took out of the machine that powered the base, That lead to Ray being trapped in another zone while it took Sonic and Mighty out of the base when they tried to get Ray. It was a circumstances that the three of them couldn't control. Sonic is one to never leave a man behind and prefer to get in and out with his buds. That doesn't mean he and the others chose to abandon her, but the rescue attempt was a disaster that ended with Eggman getting away.

    • @TheSFMWonderer
      @TheSFMWonderer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@leon4000 Dang. That sucks. One can only wonder what would’ve happened if things had gone differently.

    • @leon4000
      @leon4000 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@TheSFMWonderer And guess what? Mighty told this story to Fiona Fox during his quest to find Ray in the Knuckles comics. Fiona was with Nic the Weasel to find treasure that was the Power Gem and they encountered Mighty who came along and he talked to her about what happened with their rescue attempt for her that was botched. Ultimately Mighty found Ray and with assistance with Fiona and Nic managed to save Ray from being trapped in the zone he was trapped in ever since the botched rescue attempt.
      Despite hearing things from her former rescuer himself, Fiona still did what she did.

    • @TheSFMWonderer
      @TheSFMWonderer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@leon4000 Guess she ended up needing an excuse in the end to justify her terrible behavior later on.

    • @leon4000
      @leon4000 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheSFMWonderer Her backstory did include her issues of abandonment, all due to circumstances she never really thought outside the box. At least Sonic, Mighty, and Ray tried to save her, and Sonic being a boyfriend with her for a time at least would have made up for the blunder that left her and Ray in the circumstances they were in. After she had met up with the Evil Sonic who ultimately became Scourge for a time, she made up her mind to give in to her worst self, despite knowing Sonic and his sacrifice that left him in space far from home for an entire year and had to go all out to get back to Earth and Tails who she knew had a crush on her and played with his heart. She projects her feelings of abandonment into anything, any time someone calls her out on her mistakes. Sonic felt remorse for his failures and tries to reflect and make amends. But she sees everyone as someone who will ultimately hurt her, betray her, and leave her.
      Yet she does a lot for Scourge who hardly treats her like a Queen. Eventually, it would lead to her to one day turn on Scourge, who flaws should have been apparent to her sooner that their relationship is toxic.

  • @mainmanstan7405
    @mainmanstan7405 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +470

    One of the greatest moments in all of archie sonic for me was when Sally walkes straight up to Fiona and GUT CHECKS HER.

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      Should’ve had that panel in this retrospective haha Sally is a badass. I’m so glad they got back together before the reboot.

    • @MrSandMan961
      @MrSandMan961 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@shadamyandsonamylover This video is a 15 minute defense of her character and about how she's a far more sympathetic and sad character and this is the contribution to the discussion yall have.

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      @@MrSandMan961 I’ve left other comments on the actual retrospective. His videos are amazing. I can leave other comments aside from how good the video was.

    • @Firguy_the_Foot_Fetishist
      @Firguy_the_Foot_Fetishist 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I didn't read the comics what's the context behind it? Was Fiona being a homewrecker and trying to seduce her boyfriend?

    • @MrSandMan961
      @MrSandMan961 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @Firguy it was honestly very weird she was trying to negotiate a collaboration and tried appealing to Tails. It was a very controversial scene cause while it can be argued she deserved it the specific thing she was doing at that time wasn't that big a deal so a lot of people were confused why it made Sally that angry.

  • @MAJR172
    @MAJR172 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +799

    Archie's take on Silver DEFINITELY needs a video, practically salvaged his whole character.
    Dr. Finitevus and Mina would be good as well.

    • @real_abender
      @real_abender 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      I agree, the stuff with his Traitor hunt and the Secret Freedom Fighters was great

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Seconded about silver!!!

    • @SaiyanGamer95
      @SaiyanGamer95 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Dude, Dr. F was one of my favorite villains in all Sonic media! I think even more than Eggman himself! He was such a good foil to Knuckles. Even better when you remember Knuckles himself is basically responsible for Dr. Finitevus existing in the first place.

    • @rubysu9265
      @rubysu9265 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Praying for Mina Mongoose video... ❤

    • @antyep
      @antyep 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Not sure about Dr Fini. He kinda was explained in Knuckles’ video.

  • @danielzogbi5207
    @danielzogbi5207 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +304

    Talking about the reboot always makes me sad. It's just so much more final and complete than any other reboot. Those characters aren't just gone or dead. They've been so thoroughly erased that they can't even be mentioned or even be memories to others in their own universe or the wider Sonic universe. True, uncompromised oblivion.

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      there's some short fan comics which slightly adapt to be made issues of Archie
      an looking at them hurts Saffron doing jobs an the idea of Rouge not giving a dam what Fiona says while bad mouthing Scourge an her lifestyle hehe

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Same. Sonic comics will literally never be the same as pre-SGW Archie. The Archie comics were what carried the franchise for years for me. Now it’s the movies. Everything else is just coming off as mediocre trying to be the best with varying levels of success.

    • @charmingmagican9821
      @charmingmagican9821 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Tbh there's a chance they're still there offscreen
      Sonic remembered his parents and didn't act shocked to their death
      So perhaps they're still there
      There's also the theory that the reboot is a new multiverse
      Separate from the old one

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@charmingmagican9821 I like that theory. I wonder how it could be explained though…

    • @charmingmagican9821
      @charmingmagican9821 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@shadamyandsonamylover thanks

  • @luigibigbro
    @luigibigbro 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +296

    Man. Poor little Tails he always suffers so much, from being bullied almost his whole life. To the Fiona Situation, Then his whole arc in Frontiers about Self-Doubt. Dont even get me started on the EXE Games.
    Edit: I just remembered about Cosmo’s death (WHICH BY THE WAY WAS CAUSED BY TAILS) and Tails’ uselessness from Colors to Forces. GIVE OUR YELLOW BOY MORE RESPECT.

    • @woobgamer5210
      @woobgamer5210 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      don't forget how useless he became from Colors to Forces

    • @luigibigbro
      @luigibigbro 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@woobgamer5210Also.

    • @Youmustdierghtnow
      @Youmustdierghtnow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Bro sonic.exe is canon which mwans tails canonically died
      The suffering tails went through is crazy

    • @XD-sc4ix
      @XD-sc4ix 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​@@Youmustdierghtnowbruh sonic.exe ain't canon

    • @Youmustdierghtnow
      @Youmustdierghtnow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@luigibigbro "everything is canon" -i forgor who
      Idk if thats a good argument but if its not
      I'll come for more arguments

  • @takeshikujo2909
    @takeshikujo2909 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +300

    You know, if it wasn’t for the mandate Sega has on Shadow, I can totally see him rebutting Fiona’s “You can’t count on anybody” with:
    “That’s just what weak people say to give themselves a reason to keep running.”
    I would pay cold hard cash to see that and Fiona’s reaction to it! 💵 💸💰💴

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      Hell, yeah! Or maybe he says something like "More like nobody can count on you."

    • @takeshikujo2909
      @takeshikujo2909 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Oh Ho! Yes! So Satisfyingly Savage! I Love It! 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

    • @Victor-056
      @Victor-056 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      The "Mandates" are highly questionable at best, and completely made up at worst.
      Not only are they designed to attack a specific part of the Sonic Fanbase, (such as denying the fact that Mobius is actually the Canon name to the Planet the Sonic series is set on, and was further used in the Sonic X anime, which makes it just _ONE_ example), but the origins of the Mandate came from Ian Flynn's blogs... And didn't have any photos or screenshots to provide proper evidence.
      If it truly were a _proper_ mandate, it first and foremost would have come from Sega itself. You cannot just claim "NDA", seeing as the Mandates were supposedly penned to be _Public,_ meaning it was to be known by the public if they were real.
      Second of all, the way the Mandates were stated to have been set up according to Ian Flynn, sounds too much like it was a plot taken from a Yakuza Drama. I mean, "I and my editor were taken to a dark room with a little table under a single light source, while a Sega Lawyer and a guy with a briefcase basically told us what to do from the darkness without showing their faces". This is paraphrasing of what Ian Flynn claimed had occurred when he was told of "The Mandates"... Which not only sounds unreal, but is downright daft.
      And third, and this is the part that torpedoes the whole thing: Ian Flynn claims the Mandates he talks about were pennded by Sega of Japan and he keeps blaming _them_ for it... The problem is, Ian Flynn "Following the Mandates" _can't_ have come from Orders of Sega Of Japan.
      You want to know why? Because Sega moved their Main HQ to California long before, effectively taking away Japan's powerbase over the Archie Comics. That means that Ian Flynn should have been saying it was from Sega of _AMERICA,_ not Sega of _JAPAN..._
      ...But instead, everytime "The Mandates" are brought up, Ian Flynn keeps blaming Sega of Japan... And _NEVER_ Sega of _America_ as he _should_ be doing if they were Real.

    • @nicolasbernasconi7228
      @nicolasbernasconi7228 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@Victor-056actually the planet was NEVER named as "mobius" in actually canonic games, only as "earth" by eggman in one of the most famous cutscenes from sonic adventure 2 (being fair, that was in the english dub, and I don't know of he said the name of the planet in japanese)
      ☝️🤓

    • @Victor-056
      @Victor-056 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@nicolasbernasconi7228I never said it was in the games, I said it was in _Sonic X,_ the _ANIME._
      And yes, he called the World they came from in both English and Japan "Mobius".

  • @samuelrodriguez9801
    @samuelrodriguez9801 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +192

    Actually, Fiona wasn't left behind they almost saved her but Robotnik got away with her because Mighty started tearing up the place once Ray disappeared into a pocket-zone. Fiona was just looking for someone to blame.

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      It’s natural to blame someone when you are not freed when everyone else is. When the literal hero of the planet is there no less.

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@shadamyandsonamylover Sonic failed to save Hope Kintobor’s family but she didn’t blame him.

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      @@samuelrodriguez9801 okay? Just because it’s natural doesnt mean everyone does it. Hope is shown to be more forgiving than others.

    • @MrSandMan961
      @MrSandMan961 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I think that was reconned later. It's a weird hiccup in her orgins where later they just say Sonic and Mighty left her behind. She's literally talking TO Sonic about it and he doesn't correct her. Ironically enough this wasn't a retcon by Ian.

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrSandMan961 The panel references the issue of Knuckles the Echidna and says that it wasn’t his fault though.

  • @bwells538
    @bwells538 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +250

    Everything around Scourge, including Fiona, feels like an encapsulation of Ian Flynn’s writing.

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      how also the plan was for her to kick him out by gaining independence in her self

  • @potahtwah9591
    @potahtwah9591 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    Shard the Metal Sonic, literally the reason I got into the archie comics, and also literally 1 page of Shard's banter with Nicole got me into my early shipping phase.

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Shards death was tragic and I mourn every day that shardcole ended so early.

    • @enkayrome
      @enkayrome 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      i really want idw to introduce some sort of good metal sonic. maybe tie it in with the mr tinker stuff

    • @squidboilukas
      @squidboilukas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@enkayrome Isnt technically Mecha Sonic the good version of Metal?

    • @enkayrome
      @enkayrome 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@squidboilukas i mean… kinda

    • @tatsuostatic8567
      @tatsuostatic8567 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Too bad the ship between Shard and Nicole gets zero support. I've seen Nicole get paired with Sonic and Sally which I can understand but they both are sidelined. It's always the annoying fox kid

  • @chronohero3392
    @chronohero3392 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    There's a small contingent of people that really wished Fiona stayed on the straight and narrow, but I think this "villain arc" of hers was inevitable. She was constantly being second guessed and harrassed by her colleagues every step of the way, and Sonic being her rock to cling to eventually crumbled.
    I could see her endgame being the leader of the Destructix and basically being a girl who likes to get her hands dirty to get the job done. Maybe one day she'll apologize to Tails though, because he really didn't deserve what she dished out. But it should the LAST apology IMHO.
    Anyways, I'd say Julie-Su, or Mighty for the next one, because both have REALLY compelling arcs in the comic that could easily fill a video Lowart👍🏾

    • @rynobehnke8289
      @rynobehnke8289 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      My issue with her turning evil is really just how much continuity Ian ignored when writing it. Like Fiona as seen in her tought bubbles had forgiven Sonic after his sacrifice in 125, she had made it clear Evil-Sonic in play-la-playa was digusting her and we saw in other internal thoughts that she was genuin about her stance to being good.
      The "tied to a shaddy past" at this point fell like a drop of a reason on a hot stone while all Scourge romance stuff happened off-sceen and directly contradicted what was stated before.
      Fionas heel turn was rushed and lacking good build up that was actually believeable if you look at the bigger picture.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just enjoy her villain version alot

  • @YouluC
    @YouluC 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +200

    I could’ve sworn Ian said there might’ve been plans for Fiona to eventually leave Scourge’s side and stand on her own like that certain line seems to imply. Might be misremembering though.

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      another comment said that bits floating around make it possible that Scourge would meet anti Silver after she leaves which would be quite something

    • @YouluC
      @YouluC 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@senritsujumpsuit6021 I saw the comment, I had no idea about Fiona taking over the Destructix (thought she would’ve left on her own) and Anti-Silver. That all sounds pretty interesting.

    • @Silverryde
      @Silverryde 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There was actually a massive expansion in z zone universe and the Fiona and Scourge jail arc but didn't due to Archie cancelation.

  • @undyingUmbrage413
    @undyingUmbrage413 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    This actually sounds like a pretty good representation of the cycle of abuse, whether that was intended or not.
    When you've been abused for so long, it's terrifying to be safe and comfortable. It takes a while to stop feeling the constant paranoia and to stop waiting for the other shoe to drop. And in that time, it's so easy to run back to an abuser. Because even though it's objectively worse, it's predictable. It's scary to be with someone who hurts you, but it's scarier not to know if/when you'll be hurt by the people showing you kindness. It's a vicious cycle, and not an easy one to break.

  • @astron4606
    @astron4606 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    I started out just loving her for her leather outfit and cool ass attitude, but now I love her for more haha, she’s genuinely my favourite sonic character

    • @ryanwebb309
      @ryanwebb309 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Mine too

  • @misterzygarde6431
    @misterzygarde6431 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +572

    I feel like if Fiona was in the IDW Universe during the Metal Virus arc, Amy would throw her into a horde of zombots, no hesitation

    • @naitsabes6222
      @naitsabes6222 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      lol 😂

    • @Jackalmercenary-t7y
      @Jackalmercenary-t7y 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      I like to imagine she just yeets her off into the horde kinda like how quicksilver thrown that couple that one time in the mansion

    • @enkayrome
      @enkayrome 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      lmao she would force sonic to infect her immediately

    • @brunettebi4111
      @brunettebi4111 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "This b!tch empty! YEET!" - Amy yeeting Fiona to the Zombots.

    • @geoffreyrichards6079
      @geoffreyrichards6079 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Of course, it wouldn’t kill her. She’d be back for revenge shortly thereafter.

  • @EntityEntity
    @EntityEntity 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +165

    We NEED a Snively video or a Geoffrey video. Snively was a super interesting character and def laid the groundwork for some IDW characters (Dr. Starline)

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      yes sir...there should be a video about Snively

    • @galten7361
      @galten7361 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @EntityEntity Starline is obviously a stand-in for post-reboot Snively (who was a G.U.N. scientist who idolized Eggman and wasn't his nephew).

    • @sarafontanini7051
      @sarafontanini7051 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its kinda interesting how the comics devleoped snively since in the cartoon he originated from he was pretty pathetic XD

  • @triledink
    @triledink 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    Fiona is one of those characters you would believe being created later in the series, but her debute is actually really early. Its just like breezie who even was in the adventures of sonic the hedgehog tv series and later being the owner of a casino/fight club way way later in the comics. Hard to believe that both of them were technically robots at one point. (yes I know that the robot fiona was just a clone of the original, breezie technically still is a robot I believe)

  • @AmyRoseReal
    @AmyRoseReal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

    I genuinely cannot believe a side of the fandom hates Sally because she dated sonic even though she treated him amazingly but completely ignore Fiona when she cheated on sonic, kicked tails at his most vulnerable moment, betrayed the freedom fighters, and she was just a horrible person in general. I haven’t read the comics in a while so I don’t remember if she did even worse things, but anyways she does not get enough hate. If she has 100 haters, I’m one of them. If She has 1, it’s me. If she has 0, I’m dead.

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      did you watch the video or XD

    • @AmyRoseReal
      @AmyRoseReal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@senritsujumpsuit6021 I was 2 minutes in when commenting this and had to let it out 😭

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@AmyRoseReal this is why STH fandom is so hard to be in xd

    • @thesupershinymegagengar2034
      @thesupershinymegagengar2034 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      ​@@senritsujumpsuit6021 I watched the video, and I still agree with them. Fiona irks me to no end.

    • @robonaught
      @robonaught 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Sally actually slapped Sonic in one issue......
      Oh and there are plenty of people who hate Fiona for what she's done (including myself)

  • @GhostLight06
    @GhostLight06 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I only owned a handful of Archie Sonic issues when I was a kid, but I distinctly remember the impression Archie Silver made on me when I read Sonic Universe: 30 Years Later. I was struck by how different in temperament this cold, stoic hedgehog was from the Silver I knew from the games, only to realize that his attitude was merely a facade. I now consider this facade to be a central aspect of Silver’s character in the Archie Comics, and even informs his appearances in the IDW comics and games (Forces in particular). I’d love to see a video really diving into the nuance that Archie Silver has to offer.

  • @Call_me_Akaza
    @Call_me_Akaza 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    2:57 That aint Scourge, thats Urge

  • @MattAnd
    @MattAnd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    I’m fascinated to see your take on the Stinky Man himself - Geoffrey is a notoriously hated character, for good reason, but I couldn’t help but get drawn into his story in the Flynn era. It reframed a lot about him, and damn it I’ve actually felt some sympathy for the horrible, stinky man

    • @rosaguifarro5310
      @rosaguifarro5310 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agree I wasn’t completely happy how he kiss sally acorn I mean seriously it’s absolutely disgusting and not to mention he was an absolute traitor to everybody including the freedom fighters

    • @IaeyanElyuex
      @IaeyanElyuex 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Penders' fricking self-insert OC. Whenever there's one of these in a group, and they have an anthropomorphic animal character, you always find out it's a freaking skunk. Always a skunk!

  • @Harrymation-productions
    @Harrymation-productions 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    I wanna see tails next, both to round out team sonic and talk more about his dynamic with Archie Sonic and how he becomes a hero of his own

  • @DianaGohan
    @DianaGohan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    The thing is that Fiona Fox's origin actually doesn't go back to the Knuckles comics it goes back to Sonic 28 and the two parter that would lead into the Tails Mini series. Cause you want to know why Tails had such a crush on Fiona (and it's not just because she's a literal fox) it's because he fell for a robot duplicate of her that Eggman had around that he tried using to get rid of Tails which didn't work and the robot wound up rusting in the ocean and couldn't move. Mike Gallagher made the two parter as this goofy little story to tie into the Tails Mini Story and didn't really have any plans on doing anything else with Fiona who within the narrative, Robotnick literally called a macguffin. However because of how she looked and how the story was framed people really wanted more of Fiona. They wanted this robot to be fixed, become Tails girlfriend or maybe have Tails find the actual Fiona (since with these robo replicants you needed an original to make a copy of) and have the two get together. Like there was actually a fair amount of requests for this character to come back but I don't think ANYONE on the writing team ever got why. Which is why Ken Penders brought her back just off handidly in the Knuckles back up to tie into a Sega Sonic tie in and then later she got brought back more properly in the comics but... yeah not as fans wanted. Hell after she starts dating Sonic before the Flynn run there's a bit where Fiona tells Tails "hey that robot you fell in love me wasn't me I don't feel that way for you" that feels like it was spitting in fan's faces of what they originally wanted from Fiona.
    Which is why I always found the idea that people preferred the "classic" organic Fiona and didn't like what Flynn did with her baffling since as Lowart pointed out, this was a very inconsistent boring character just dating Sonic.... because. Flynn actually made her interesting and yeah I like Lowart really laying down why that is. I do feel she and Scrouge do have somewhat of an actual relationship and he isn't just fully using her but yeah it is clear Fioana's talk of independence and not wanting to get betrayed again do hide this deeper insecurity as well and I did like how that played out and wished we got more of that as felt like there was more done with her we'll sadly never get to see. But yeah this is a good vid really focusing on those key moments of her character.
    As for who I'd personally want next I kind of want one on Lien Da as honestly though I did actually like what bits Penders had of her she was another character done better by Flynn and yeah that'd be a fun one to talk about.

    • @gundamkaizer6947
      @gundamkaizer6947 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ...and now I want to see Fiona vs Robo-Fiona.

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Yeah I was honestly surprised he didn’t talk about her actual origin story. Do I smell a fake fan?! 🤔
      Jk but yeah I was surprised. The love drama which eventually leads to the “sibling” drama between Sonic and tails is one of my all time favorites.

    • @DianaGohan
      @DianaGohan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@shadamyandsonamylover I think Lowart may want to save that for when he talks more indepth about the Sonic and Tails fight over their friendship as that seems like an arc he probably wants to dedicate a video about so discussing Automatic Fiona may be worth delving in there not here.

    • @YamatoFukkatsu
      @YamatoFukkatsu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      "They wanted this robot to be fixed, become Tails girlfriend or maybe have Tails find the actual Fiona"
      Yup, sounds pretty accurate to my hopes as a 10-year-old in the mid-90s (minus the parts where I had hopes to become a writer for Archie Comics myself so I could fulfill some wild, fanfic-tier aspirations with the pair....... I won't get into it). Wasn't aware that Archie was receiving a ton of fan letters on the subject, but nice to see I wasn't alone.

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm no expert but I think Fiona might have a mix of Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. She may also have traits of Histrionic and Borderline Personality Disorders.

  • @SaddieMoon
    @SaddieMoon 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    A lot of people hated Fiona’s snap in change of direction. As they saw it as Ian giving up with Fiona and completely changing her character.

    • @MetalWeebChaos
      @MetalWeebChaos 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Ian did a lot of course correction for the books when he started. For the most part, I think he did a good job with a lot of the characters going out in a blaze of glory (Locke, Sir Connery, Tommy, etc). Fiona though... she deserved better than a sudden 180.

    • @darknessrising2453
      @darknessrising2453 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Honestly making her a villain gave from more depth and personality. Much better than what Kenders had planned for her.

    • @SaddieMoon
      @SaddieMoon 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@darknessrising2453 Same

    • @E-102GammaMKII
      @E-102GammaMKII 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darknessrising2453 Sucking off Ian as usual, Alphamon? No surprise there.

    • @Victor-056
      @Victor-056 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MetalWeebChaos Ian is only really good at improving characters made by other people... Make him write wholesale plots from barebones, or try to have him improve a character he doesn't like, and he will do a bad job.
      Yeah, Ian can claim "I had this idea for this character" all he likes, but I have noticed Ian Flynn keeps changing his narrative as and when he feels like it. If the story was bad, he will claim "I had this idea, but the execs didn't approve", but if the story was _good,_ he will take all the credit without telling us _who_ gave him the idea.
      He acted that way during the whole fiasco with the Zombot Arc and how Shadow went out like a Moron... Keep in mind that The Mandates Ian likes to harp on about _Don't_ say "You have to write Shadow as an Edgelord", and Ian Flynn tends to write Shadow as an Edgelord.
      I cannot really trust what Ian Flynn says half the time as a result.

  • @SpritemaniacJ
    @SpritemaniacJ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I love how Lowart said he didn't want to be the "Archie Sonic Guy" only to Slowly become the Archie Sonic Guy.😂😂😂

  • @keshiaanders6452
    @keshiaanders6452 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Has everyone forgot that Fiona originally started off as Tails' answer to Breezie from AoStH?
    She was an evil robot ceated by Eggman/Robotnik, and it left Tails broken hearted.
    But then it turns out that Fiona is actually a real Mobian, the one we met before was a robot clone Eggman based off Fiona when she was younger.
    Even if Fiona turned out to be older, Tails still claims that Fiona is his "true love" (despite what her robot clone did to him) and that threw a monkey wrench in the friendship between him & Sonic.
    It really hurt Tails more than anything, no matter what, his "dream girl" would never love him & Tails betrayed his best friend Sonic for nothing.

  • @SonicTheArchie
    @SonicTheArchie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Fiona Fox is such a sick charcter. I read through most of the Archie Comics and I absolutly fell in love with her. Just like every other amazing charcter we lost through the Reboot, I really hope that we *somehow* get her back in the comics one day, that Ian just *somehow* pulls it off.

  • @ピカリFritzyBeat
    @ピカリFritzyBeat 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Woah hey, I didn’t expect this. Fiona was always a personal favorite character in the comic for me, which was often an unpopular opinion to have back when the comic was still going, heh. I can’t understate how much people *hated* her after she slapped Tails in 172. Even after the comic rebooted, I remember back in the day having to convince my fellow teammates at Archie Sonic Online to even consider doing more stories focused on her since no one wanted to touch it, lol. Seems like a good slap is always a sure way to make enemies in the Sonic fandom, haha.
    Thanks for explaining a bunch of the reasons I enjoy her as a character though. It’s nice to finally see some positive recognition of what Ian was able to do with her :)

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You should always love a good villain. And Fiona is just that. I love her so much. I remember reading that issue in the car where she slapped tails. I read that issue over and over and over again and could not get over how giddy I felt over the drama lol
      I miss drama in my Sonic comics. IDW needs to step it up…

    • @MrSandMan961
      @MrSandMan961 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If you need more pro-Fiona teammates I've been rotating this character in my mind since I was 16 I've legit assumed I was her biggest and only fan until now.

    • @woobgamer5210
      @woobgamer5210 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@shadamyandsonamylover drama cant really happen, our cast of characters are way too close to ever have problems again

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@woobgamer5210 sigh. I miss the old days more every day. At least we have the movies now. They seem to be the only good characterization (with good models lol)

    • @Its.giselle234
      @Its.giselle234 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I AGREE. I remember back when this aired everyone hated Fiona but I never did.

  • @cheesywheesy14
    @cheesywheesy14 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    These videos legitimately make me wanna reread archie sonic, also the fact you compose character themes for these is insane, that Fiona theme slaps

  • @Ismatic1906
    @Ismatic1906 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

    I wanna see a video on Dulcy, she’s my favorite Sonic character. I think she’s funny, arguably. But seriously, I’d like to see a video just about Snively. His rise to power and his pathetic end could make for a compelling video

    • @CantusTropus
      @CantusTropus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Dealing with Dulcy would require us to acknowledge that one storyline where her (also a dragon) boyfriend physically abused her, though (yes, that happened).

    • @Richforce1
      @Richforce1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like to think he'd have had a spot of hope where he thinks Regina is busting him out only for it to turn out to be Shadow with Hope Kintobor by his side and she'd just be "hello 'brother', my friend and I are here to bring you back to New Mobotropolis so you can talk to them about your war crimes."

  • @SSJ22Terris
    @SSJ22Terris 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Rotor is a video I’ve been anticipating. I’m hoping he can finally graduate from “this guy.”
    Naugus would also make a good one, as with Jeffery, Elias, and Silver

  • @jaspersagem9469
    @jaspersagem9469 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Scourge's jailbreak story satisfied baby me's need for edginess, so Fiona was a favorite of mine

  • @fremenchips
    @fremenchips 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    I can't wait for your review of Geoffrey St.John. Like Fiona he went from a completely forgettable C lister to my personal favorite Sonic character. A guy defined by his moral compromises in service to ideals and who followed his ideals without examining where they lead him until it was too late. A guy who put abstract ideas over the actual people in his life and step by step walked into an ever tightening noose.
    Add on to the fact how visceral of a reaction some comic fans have towards him is extra fun.

    • @firepuppies4086
      @firepuppies4086 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      That is partially Penders's fault for... Making sure we know a bit too much

    • @fremenchips
      @fremenchips 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@firepuppies4086 Which I never quiet bought for two reasons;
      1. Pender's said what he said after he was no longer writing for the comic so it has no more impact on the actual canon then if I'd said it
      2. The argument that Geoffrey is an adult and Sally is a child always has felt to me like a mirror image of the argument that the character who looks like a child but is actually a 1,000 year old witch so it's not creepy for an adult to romance them because the author said so. Sally and Geoffrey are both visually in the same age bracket of the three that exist in the archie verse that of child, adult and old. We also see that Sally, Sonic and Geoffrey and the rest of the freedom fighters (besides Tails) for that matter are all emotionally about as mature as each other. So all the visual and narrative information we have is that Geoffrey and Sally are on the same level. If the canon had said Geoffrey and Sonic or Antoine were all the same age that wouldn't have struck me as incongruent with his characterization. It's just declared a bizarre Penderism that is best left by the wayside.

    • @hadouradiance3566
      @hadouradiance3566 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Lol Geoffrey St John. What a name.

    • @SaiyanGamer95
      @SaiyanGamer95 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@fremenchips If I may. When Geoffrey was first introduced (back when the comics was basically an extension of SatAM), most characters didn't really had a defined age. I think it was Karl Bollers (he and Ken infamously HATED each other, which sort of lead to an retcon war between them) that gave the characters defined ages and had him marry Hershey.
      I mean, look at Antoine; he had a crush on Sally and he's confirmed to have been 18 (issue 46 has the ages of some characters confirmed in the letters and Geoffrey isn't one of them).

    • @Victor-056
      @Victor-056 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SaiyanGamer95 Thanks mate. You just explained a Million things that kept bothering me about _WHY_ Archie Comics was so rife with all those Retcons. The fact that Archie thought it was a good idea to put two people who hate each other's guts in the same room, was a ticking timebomb in and of itself.

  • @megacrashthehedgehog5377
    @megacrashthehedgehog5377 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Wasn't expecting a video on Fiona, but I will gladly take it. As she's easily one of my favorite villains in not just Archie Sonic, but in the franchise's history.

  • @Sn0c
    @Sn0c 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Bro I had no idea that you got Scourge to be this channel's official spokesman!
    Fiona was always one of my favourite characters with her growing from good to bad and believing that she does not rely on anyone. Every interaction with her was always interesting from every character. I wish they brought her back.
    Also you should definitely talk about Shard, "The Metal Sonic who was given a chance." Either him or Snively.

  • @anexplosion5436
    @anexplosion5436 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    14:53
    Well, since your asking, can we get a video on Hope Kintobor? I find her a fascinating character, especially near the end with her vow to restore the Kintobor name.

    • @QuarterDollarKing
      @QuarterDollarKing 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Its hilarious that she basically sat around in the background for years until somebody was like "Hey how about we actually use this Maria expy as a supporting character for Shadow?" Of course for them to do that they had to actually use Shadow after HE sat around in the background for years.

  • @thermitefe8299
    @thermitefe8299 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I know you’re probably getting loads of requests for these two, but seeing your coverage on Shard or Nicole would be a dream come true!

  • @altf4undo01
    @altf4undo01 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    i wouldn’t say it’s much of a stretch that fiona being either ignored or viciously hated by fans stemmed from the misogyny that ran RAMPANT back during the comic’s run and sadly still persists today regarding female characters that aren’t squeaky clean and flawless. it’s nice to see an analysis of her that’s more sympathetic to her while still acknowledging that she’s flawed, and that points out that her flaws make her interesting. i think people are allowed to dislike her for what she’s done, but they should be civil about it :P

  • @themissingbits6375
    @themissingbits6375 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Normally, I’m the type of person who ALWAYS skip the sponsership. But in these videos? I never skip em’ because they’re really funny

  • @ksheehank
    @ksheehank 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Oh my god is that the stinky man at the end there? Yes, talk about him! I loved what Ian did with the stinky man

  • @Flyingdurito
    @Flyingdurito 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I definitely think of all the original characters, Antoine or Julie-Su are deserving of the spotlight next
    Antoine goes through so many ups and downs during the run of the comics, going from a joke to a hero, I think he deserves to be covered
    Julie-Su however is interesting for an entirely different reason, she’s not only a character who (basic summary) turned on her entire clan to end up fighting against them, she also has one of the most interesting relationships in the form of her and Knuckles, I know it got covered a bit here and there but I would love to see her get a full dedicated video someday

  • @nohrajays9739
    @nohrajays9739 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I appreciate this love for Fiona because she was also my favorite character in the Archie series, despite being a villain, her arks and complications with her self worth made it somewhat relatable.
    and to answer your question in the end, I would love a deep dive of Mina Mongoose, she was also one of my favorite characters as a kid. She was also one of my all time favorites as a kid. I miss her so much ;m;

  • @rocky-my5ck
    @rocky-my5ck 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Straightforward, Elias Acorn, i love him
    He's the only character that when Ian took over he only had to push Elias MORE into the spotlight. Maybe Penders doesn't really thinking about him at all and that's what fascinates me a lot about him too.
    Elias is Ken Penders greatest creation because he didn't really care about him.

  • @sophiaho2341
    @sophiaho2341 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    Fiona's character and actions made me realize just how Tailsmo is a way better Tails ship then her and him since Cosmo and Tails lifts each others up when they're at their lowest point and encourage each other to do their best as well as mutual love and respect for them both this is why i adore and love Tailsmo to this day, why i believe is a interesting and better pairing for Tails
    i also would love to see scenario where Tails and Cosmo crossed paths with Fiona and Fiona trying to mess with them mainly Tails to try and get under his skin

    • @isbryanflyingordying2202
      @isbryanflyingordying2202 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      I think the other reason tailsmo worked so well and why so many people loved that relationship, is because it was real and genuine. It wasn’t two characters plucked by the fan base and put together but a writing team who over the course of dozens of episodes wrote how two characters would fall in love, it’s one of the many reasons I want cosmo to come back as a character. She added a lot to tails, when he was doubting himself she was there, he didn’t need to look to sonic or deep in himself to realize how useful he was, all he had to do was look to his friend and realized how much she mattered and that’s all he needed to fight.
      I’m unsure if we will ever see her again, I think maybe it’s a copyright issue. But if anything from sonic x is to be adapted into the modern canon. I’d love for cosmo to be that. Just give her and tails a happy ending this time.
      Everytime I’ve gone back to watch sonic x I always cry at the ending

    • @sophiaho2341
      @sophiaho2341 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@pranavanand7346 still is a good ship

    • @woobgamer5210
      @woobgamer5210 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pranavanand7346 which is funny when archie sonic did have sonic x characters at one point

    • @MrReVersed
      @MrReVersed 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Tails X Mina is also a good pairing as well

    • @sophiaho2341
      @sophiaho2341 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MrReVersed until you realize in the original main archie timeline comic Tails is 8 and Mina is 16

  • @esteban8471
    @esteban8471 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I really like these videos. It really shows an appreciation for Archie that goes beyond your typical ramble of how weird or messy it got. As a fan of IDW, these videos really make me understand and appreciate their predecessor and what made so many people love it.
    I'd love to see a video on Shard someday. From the limited knowledge I have on Archie, he's definitely among my favorites.

  • @zeppelin7342
    @zeppelin7342 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    First off Todo in the intro! Good taste!
    Real excited to see Thrash in the shilouettes. I wish more people talked about him cause he was such a compelling antagonist. Someone who despite doing something irredeemably terrible still had a lot of tragedy to his character.
    Some characters I think would make good videos
    Lien-Da - She got such a glow up in Flynn's run! I especially like how she falls further into villainy while Dimitri tries to seek redemption
    Beauregard Rabbot - Not only was he a great way to bring the Sandblasters back as villains but his whole dilemma had a lot of nuance I'd never expect out of a Sonic comic
    Elias - Poor guy just can't catch a break in Flynn's run... would also be a great video to bring up a special surprise returnee
    Antoine - The Geoffrey trial issue alone could get its own video
    Eclipse - Reboot character but he's one of my fave Sonic characters period. He's the perfect antagonist for Shadow and I love how he feels so similar to SA2 Shadow. His conflict between wanting to avenge the Black Arms but still caring about Shadow really sold me on his character arc.

  • @TechnicSky
    @TechnicSky 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Yoo. I’m running a Sonic D&D campaign based on the Archie comics, so these videos help me with the research of and about the characters and/or places whenever I need a refresher. Much appreciated and keep up the good work as always!

    • @ASTMVN
      @ASTMVN 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Is it all homebrew or are you using like fan-made sourcebooks?

    • @TechnicSky
      @TechnicSky 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ASTMVN Homebrewed. There is basically only one Sonic D&D Homebrew book that I could find and it’s pretty decent. Called Zonerunners. Changed things around ofc where I could but yeah.

  • @Chriso22
    @Chriso22 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    She littreally a opps to her own verse haha

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      anti fiona must be a good guy greg in comparison

    • @enkayrome
      @enkayrome 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@ORLY911 anti fiona musta been the least sneakiest bih ever

    • @DanialTarki
      @DanialTarki 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@ORLY911I wouldn’t mind her (Anti-Fiona) being loyal af and not afraid to be a leader and express her vulnerabilities and dependencies, yet still a bad guy.

    • @MrSandMan961
      @MrSandMan961 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@DanialTarki Fiona Fox is a good person who was molded into being bad. Anti-Fiona is a bad person molded into being good =)

    • @DanialTarki
      @DanialTarki 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrSandMan961Uhhhhh

  • @Xx_FluffFries_xX
    @Xx_FluffFries_xX วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I honestly relate to Fiona. I’ve been betrayed by the people I trust SO.MANY.TIMES and I feel like I can’t trust anyone because in the end they’ll leave me, yet I have this one person I continue to stick by. This person is rude to me and honestly toxic sometimes, but I can’t seem to let them go. They’ve upset me many times but I end up forgiving them because I can’t stand the idea of leaving them and putting them through what I’ve been through. We use to like each other and knew this very well. We were open about it with each other but never dated. Now we both like someone else and I can’t help but be jealous. It’s obvious they care more abt they’re crush than me, and it’s obvious they’ve lost feelings for me. It sounds hypocritical (I’m pretty sure it is) but I barely talk about my crush and they won’t ever shut up about theirs. I still like them in some way and I just wish they’d still like me back.

  • @jaredtherock5692
    @jaredtherock5692 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'd love to see a video on King Max next.
    Oddly enough, as much as I would love to see Shard and Elias, I feel like it wouldn't feel right to look at them so soon since their highlights are so late in the comic.

  • @Buttermilk_the_pony
    @Buttermilk_the_pony 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I know this video is a month old but I'm commenting anyways. I used to hate Fiona. I read nearly every issue that involved her and thought she was just another stereotypical, good girl gone bad, bland badass. But this video gave me an entirely new perspective on the character. She is so much more interesting that I initially thought! So thank you! This was posted a month ago, so I'm sure you've already decided who you're gonna talk about next, but at some point please consider talking about Eclipse. I think he's such an interesting and unique character and, in my opinion, deserved so much more than the short time he was given. I'd love to hear your thoughts! :D

  • @MattAnd
    @MattAnd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Now that I think of it, an Anti-Fiona wasn’t introduced was she?
    That could’ve been interesting, I wonder how she’d have differed from the original, would she be inherently evil? Would she have turned good over time? There’d be a lot of interesting routes to take

    • @minimalbstolerance8113
      @minimalbstolerance8113 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I did come up with a fan concept for an anti-Fiona named Candace. Rather than being cynical and untrusting, she was naive and too trusting. Whereas Fiona was kept imprisoned by Robotnik for years until she escaped, Candace was kept sheltered by Kintobor/anti-Robotnik for years because she was one of the few good people in anti-mobius. In my headcanon she acted as Kintobor's lab assistant.

  • @alwayzsilent
    @alwayzsilent 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Not sure what Ken wanted to do with Fiona, but Ian certainly had plans doing a 180 on her character. Doing that change gained her popularity while introducing Bean and Bark supporting that storyboard he was cooking for Fiona.

  • @MrTheRandomBucket
    @MrTheRandomBucket 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I would love to see you do a video on the Destructix team as a whole, I think it is incredibly interesting how Ian Flynn was able to take basic and bland characters and make them interesting and more complex, becoming their own group with its own motives and agendas.

  • @MrSandMan961
    @MrSandMan961 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fiona has always been my favorite Archie character and it's been a nightmare talking about her because so many people have had incredibly bad faith interpretations of her character over the years so this is a wonderful video to see many years later.
    I've always had mixed feelings about her arc because so much of it is tied up in how no one having her back, looking out for her or even feeling sympathy for what happened to her is core to her characterization and it's heartbreaking how true it is. She's not proven wrong at any point she IS the secondary concern and even her relationship with Sonic is predicated on his assumption that she's forgiven him rather than being given the opportunity to make up for leaving her behind. Or Sally completely missing Fiona drifting away from the team, despite being team leader. It really does feel like taking a moment to listen to her and fight for her and appeal to her better nature is what would need to happen for them to have her back but they're violently opposed to it because of the way she hurt them. It's understandable but it's also hard to watch our heroes lack sympathy for someone who desperately needs it. Seeing good in a villain and badgering them with good will until they turn is a basic super hero test that the entire team seems to have failed and that feels really off. Especially with a villain who started off explicitly as a victim of child abuse at the hands of the main badguy.
    It's something you can do a LOT with to do a really engaging redemption arc while tackling how the Freedom Fighters themselves aren't perfect and have growing to do but left hanging how it was it's really unsatisfying I've kinda ended up liking the Freedom Fighters themselves a bit less because of it.
    Anyway, Fiona x Sally is the best ship.

    • @KirbySonicTeam
      @KirbySonicTeam 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The FF definitely handled things poorly at times (mostly Sonic and Sally) its simply that Fiona hit the moral event horizon for them (hitting Tails) and so theyll never forgive her. Which makes sense for this cast of characters. All of them are deeply entrenched in their own baggage and Archie sonic in particular is super petty and uncharitable if you piss him off, which Fiona does. I think what helps tho is that the FF never have a break really, and are always forced to deal with one personal crisis after the other. So I never feel like any of them have sat down to fully take in Finoas side.
      Hard to focus on FIona when immediately after your friends are getting married and your rekindling your relationship with your best friend, and then your home gets burned to the ground, and then your having a near civil war, and then Knuckles is brainwashed and his dad dies, and then Mammoth mogul escapes, and then Scourge attacks and then...
      Its unfortunate but I dont think it feels malicious or lazy on their part. Like all the messed up things in Preboot archie, it just is what it is, and our heroes are forced to keep moving forward. Thankfully the comic itself is very sympathetic to Fiona a points, so we know that we are meant to have empathy for her.
      Thanks so much for watching the video and leaving and leaving a detailed comment!

    • @MrSandMan961
      @MrSandMan961 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @KirbySonicTeam it's one of those things where its understandable in a meta context but if a character actually tried and say that to Fiona its basically saying she's unimportant. Like, the world stops if Tails is unhappy or Sally is feeling unsure of herself but Fiona doesn't get any support despite being pretty attentive and compassionate herself. Those are traits that didn't actually go away once she went turncoat.

    • @KirbySonicTeam
      @KirbySonicTeam 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrSandMan961 For sure. Its definitely interesting to consider what would happen. Tho tbf I know that for a lot of parents that is how they treat these things. If you do anything to their kid its zero mercy. Doesnt make it right per say but its very understandable. to Sally she thought FIona was fishy and what do you know "I was right, that bitch hit Tails."

  • @themissingbits6375
    @themissingbits6375 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I’d like to see an Archie Tails video, specifically a video covering the House of Cards story.

  • @Its.giselle234
    @Its.giselle234 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    When I was younger I related to her and never got her betrayal, I thought she was complicated but after rereading it as an adult I realised Fiona was ABANDONED and that was why she reacts the way she does.
    Being abandoned as a child whether emotionally, physically, health etc can traumatize a child and considering she was imprisioned with 0 food or water that can also shape a persons world view to focus on survival and Fiona took thst through out her life.
    She fought to get out of prision herself and as a result she migh'tve felt since Sonic never came back for her 'I cannot rely on anyone'. She holds onto that as she makes a aay for herself, being a theif, causing mayhem, its comfortable and she did what she had to do...out of survival. When she meets Sonic again and the FF, its stability, the feeedom fighters knew each other since CHILDREN they have a familial bond and due to Fionas background (and we dont know where her parents are like if they were axed in the Great War or she is an orphan) she might not have known familial love nor true companionship other than transactional relationships. To Fiona being in survival is her life, what she is used to and due to her being betrayed she expects it, she is reluctant to get close to the FF and Sally as they judge her because of her past. Eventually I believe she got tired of being judged dnd mis understood so she went into the "role" people asigned for her.
    It's unknown when Scrouge and her met but I assume is when the Switch happened. To her knowing how Scrouge is, he also has trauma and abzndonment isdues, he knows what it feels like to be neglected and he did what he had to do so people can notice him in contrast to Fiona who doesnt let many in. Due to that common ground I think they clicked and she is loyal to him because he sees her for who she is. However after the time he hit Fiona and she still stayed I think she is sticking around because now she is used to having him around, it's security for the time being. So she busts him out of jail and they go on adventures together.
    The thing is Sonic said he sees her like shes good but he does not understand how trust issues csn impact a persons life and was trying to proove to everyone of her goodnessvbut not 'getting' her as a person, so naturally they fizzled out. I dont like that she cheated though, they shouldve broken up.
    Honestly I think many people judged her based on the slap alone and miscategorize her just like how in real life people judge others off of behaviour and appearance not knowing there is a reason behind tĥe WHY they are like this. Now that I recalled her childhood leading up till her now, I started appreciating her complexity as a character.

    • @Its.giselle234
      @Its.giselle234 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      EDIT: She mentioned her parents in that pannel but my question is...did they abuse her? Abandon her?

    • @samuelrodriguez9801
      @samuelrodriguez9801 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Sonic did come back for her but failed to save her. Also, she knew her parents but they left before she escaped the cell.

  • @saqwana25
    @saqwana25 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If I had to suggest a video on anyone, it'd be Bunnie, the lead character who never really got to BE a lead character. In SatAM, or even Archie pre and post reboot, she was a mountain of potential, who never really got that solid break, forced much like Antoine to take up supporting role for most of her existence. She's a great character and I think she'd make for an even greater character study in your usual manner.

  • @jamiegioca9448
    @jamiegioca9448 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    10:58 I find it interesting that Fiona's facial expression in the 2nd square is just like Tails' when he's trying to punch Sonic

  • @pixeltaku
    @pixeltaku 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    HE BACK! Looking forward to more! I can’t wait for Shard to get covered

  • @leonardodelimaferreira8509
    @leonardodelimaferreira8509 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    15:05 obviously Silver, but other than him, Antoinne, Geoffrey, a little bit of Shadow although not too much, hate 25 years after with a passion, I think there's a lot of interesting stuff to talk about Rotor, of course Nicole, Monkey Khan and the Iron Queen, easily being the best arc in the entire comic run pre-reboot, honestly, there's so much to talk about archie post Ian

  • @shellknight1323
    @shellknight1323 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I need to hear about the Rise, Fall, and Redemption of Antoine De'Charlotte

  • @hoseinbmr3449
    @hoseinbmr3449 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    i never understood the people who didnt like how "fiona became evil out of nowhere" ,
    before being evil she wasnt really an interesting character,
    but now that she is a villain, she is an interesting character, just like Scourge, she is someone that i love to hate

    • @mr.unsmiley8656
      @mr.unsmiley8656 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Those things aren't related though. You don't have to like a character to be upset when they're obviously being mishandled for the sake of drama.

    • @darknessrising2453
      @darknessrising2453 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Sad thing is Ken admitted that Fiona was simply going to be Sonic’s rebound girl until he got tired of her and went back to Sally and after that she’d be heartbroken the same way Tails was…
      So before Ian, Fiona wasn’t even a character… she was just “a character’s girlfriend”.

    • @CantusTropus
      @CantusTropus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@darknessrising2453 girlfriend*

    • @rynobehnke8289
      @rynobehnke8289 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well that is rather easy because some people value continuity and character consistancy a great lot to stay engaged in a story.
      So if Fiona's turn to evil makes no sense than will those people not go "how interesting" but "wait that doesn't make any sense tho"

    • @darknessrising2453
      @darknessrising2453 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rynobehnke8289
      I refer you to THE ENTIRE VIDEO up above.

  • @Natboy129
    @Natboy129 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Archie Silver will forever be my favourite cause it made his one off story an arc that tied back into the greater plot, but still had him beaten down for accusing everyone of being a traitor, so it would be cool to see you talk about him next. On that note as well i think covering the general Mecha Sally arc would be super cool cause it had such ramifications on everyone and the political sphere in knothole, which is facsinating for a sonic comic.

  • @fictionfan3699
    @fictionfan3699 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I haven't gotten to read the series yet outside of Archie Online, but a friend of mine got me interested in Fiona's story. Not just because she's hot, but because she's interesting in her own right. Fiona feels like, if things kept going, she could have become anti-villain or anti-hero, or just stay a straight up villain. It's interesting.
    Hoping to see Elias get some love on the channel in the future. He's one of my favorite characters in Archie Online, so it would be fun to see an analysis on him.

  • @ElijahW2003
    @ElijahW2003 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Man, I _hope_ you make a video about Shard. He was my favorite, ever since I read the issue where he teamed up with Team Fighters as a kid, shortly followed by Forged in Fire. I love his whole story, and what he represents. He's up there with Silver to me as an all-time fave (Silver being my favorite in the whole _franchise)._

  • @yesikanarvaez5027
    @yesikanarvaez5027 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I never really liked her to begin with not only because she cheated but how she treated everyone else in Sonic's circle of friends, Tails deserves better and one his own age

  • @disneydork57
    @disneydork57 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    You already touched on parts of it in the retrospective, but I'd love to hear an even deeper dive into Bunnie and Antoine

  • @mikhaelgribkov4117
    @mikhaelgribkov4117 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Metal Sonic is really one of my fav written characters under Ian and that moment in IDW with Metal Virus is really heart breaking.

  • @Th3BlackS0ul
    @Th3BlackS0ul 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    In conclusion:
    Fiona - Indubitably a Bad Bitch, but a Bad Bitch that brings out the best in a Bad Boy

  • @speakwithpeace5745
    @speakwithpeace5745 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    All your videos on the sonic comics have quickly become my new obsession. You deserve to have a bigger following!

  • @akureikorineko
    @akureikorineko 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I vote for a Snively video. That dude has been through it all, and was there since the beginning. THE MAN PUT TRACKERS IN HIS INDIVIDUAL HAIRS!

  • @300fusionfall
    @300fusionfall 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    We are so back

  • @J.R.Unbound
    @J.R.Unbound 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'd personally love an analysis of Silver. He might've been my favourite character pre-reboot.

  • @mystictiger5381
    @mystictiger5381 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have little to no knowledge about Sonic or its franchise outside of general gamer knowledge, like its rivalry with Nintendo IPs and other such things, but my brother is really into it, which is why I'm here. He's really into the franchise's lore, and he kept talking to me about it when he took me to see the new Sonic movie. Since these videos are of decent length and nicely edited/written, it's been a good way for me to pick up some acorns of knowledge that I can talk to him about! Thanks for making these :)

  • @harryenchiladas8826
    @harryenchiladas8826 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    Ian seems like a very interesting guy to me, his way of writing (about existing material) is to see and recognize inconsistencies and try to put together a character arc around it.
    He did the same thing in Frontiers. In the case of Tails, some feel it was "some of the least immersive dialogue in the game", others say it fixed the character.
    I? I feel like he didn't have much time to present this idea, it's good that Tails declares it, but I want to see it in action

    • @rynobehnke8289
      @rynobehnke8289 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I really don't like Ian's attepts with Tails and Amy in frontiers.
      Amy makes no real sense as he goes way to much off his inner headcanon were all the heroes are a big friend groupe that sees each other on a weekly bases at the least (as that is how he has always written them in the comics and even routenly comes up with excuses in the IDW comics to treat them as such) and ignores that "long time no see" is such a often used phrase in the games because canonically do Sonic and his friends spend very little time between adventures as they are always off scattered across the world on there own adventures. As such makes Amy's big story about "bringing love to the world at the expance of not being with sonic" makes no sense as "not being around Sonic" is already her status quo.
      Tails meanwhile is just a direct attempt to address all the critizim forces Tails recieved which fails in 2 different ways one of which being Ian's own fault. The Former is as the Comics are now canon did he already wrote the "Tails gets his shit back together" story in IDW Sonic Issue 1 and after that constantly showed Tails refound courge (like during all but the last seconds of Metal Virus, Battle for Angle Island or Zeti Hunt)
      While the other problem being that in his desperate attempt to address the fans did he ignore that the problem he tried to address from Sonic Forces was already resolved in Sonic Forces as even if it was terribly written was Tails story in Forces that his time with Classic Sonic gave him his confidence back which is why he stands with the sonics and the OC together before the final boss.
      All of this leads to him unessarily doing a repeat of Sonic Adventure 1's story arc for Tails that was unneeded, due to gameplay limitation worse than the original SA1 version and causes continuity problems with the comics he wrote.

  • @yuikitsuneko
    @yuikitsuneko 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think it would be cool if you did a video on Nicole; I didn't know much about her but one day in middle school my mom gave me this small collection of Sonic Archie comics that you'd find next to the check-out areas of a grocery store. In this collection, one story was about Nicole and it focused alot on her struggles with feeling like she can't do much to help out because she's just an AI

  • @curtislangdon8294
    @curtislangdon8294 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I'm more sad we never got any follow up on Nicolette Weasal. Fiona first and stable partner yet we have no ideal when or why Fiona left, sure Nic might have left her but we don't actually know for sure. It would have been interesting hearing her side of the story. Apparently the reason Nic never came back sooner was because Ian Flynn didn't like her. Not that I can't understand why but that's still a poor excuse, considering her potential going forward.

    • @Its.giselle234
      @Its.giselle234 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nicolette couldve really had an interesting arc. I mean shes NACKS sister and a theif.

  • @clairelachance3419
    @clairelachance3419 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A character I would like to see in future videos : Another reference to Silver, please I am starved for content, I beg of the all mighty analysis gods. I am on my knees and they are bleeding. My HANDS glued together their flesh and bones. The nails of my fingers digging into my dorcals, the muscles in my hands forcing me to keep PRAYING FOR SILVER THE HEDGEHOG. PLEASE.

    • @clairelachance3419
      @clairelachance3419 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It happened, I didn't even have to sell my leg XD

  • @yoshi396
    @yoshi396 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What makes me sad is the Sonic series has a lot of good characters and id love to see a lot of forgotten ones come back the only problem is i wouldn't want the series to become over saturated with characters trying to tell their stories along with the main story, i also don't know if Sega owns the rights to specific characters from the Archie comic series so i don't know if they could ever return in some way.

  • @pranavanand7346
    @pranavanand7346 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Another great video! And as for potential other ones, I would love to see a video on Zonic the Zone Cop or the Archie Sonic multiverse in general!

  • @DipperPines1986
    @DipperPines1986 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Really looking forward to the video where you talk about Geoffrey St. John. Flynn was able to turn one of the worst characters of the early Archie into one of the best.

  • @kharmacal
    @kharmacal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I used to have a friend on Google Plus back in the day with an OC named Fiona the Fox. She went offline shortly after another friend, Kimmy the Kittybunny, had her online access taken away by her parents. I never spoke with either of them again. Needless to say seeing that name pop up in my recommended did jumpscare me a bit lol

  • @silvurrrboi230
    @silvurrrboi230 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You’re doing a great job with these character anylysies. Do You plan to talk about Ixis Naugus in the future? I think someone really needs to talk on how crazy this particular villain gets in the comics, it’s insane to me how nobody talks about him even amongst Archie fans

  • @ByrneBaby
    @ByrneBaby 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    For the sake of how fun it would be to see acknowledgement of the memes, I'd love to see a video on Silver.
    But for the sake of a more interesting or thought-provoking video, I'd much prefer a joint video on Gamma and Omega, since they're basically fused in Archie Sonic. An exploration of how Gamma's soul shines through Omega's destructive urges and how the combination of the two made for one of the most solid supporting characters in the comic.

    • @haha_hollie
      @haha_hollie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i think silver's arc in archie is quite compelling, there's a lot more to it than "memes". but yeah, the gamma and omega stuff is awesome too

  • @tatsuostatic8567
    @tatsuostatic8567 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Honestly, the romance stuff in Sonic Archie comics was handled poorly. The writers added unnecessary drama to it which didn't help at all. I was mad that Sonic and Sally broke up in the comics like why? They did this on purpose just to play with the reader's emotions and ruined some of the characters. Sonic dating Fiona Fox was pointless because it got fans to believe he stole the girl from Tails but this needs to be said! Fiona Fox never belong to Tails! She literally told him she's not into him and the one he was "dating" was a robot version! Plus she was 16! What makes you think she would date an 11 year old fox boy!? I don't understand how the fandom will give Tails a free pass to date any female character older than him. I know that Sonic dating Fiona while at the same time knows that his best friend still has feelings for her was wrong to but come on, the writing was terrible and the idea was stupid! I've seen other shows that handle this topic and it's done correctly.
    I know this is long but I'm sick of this joke, lie, whatever you want to call it! If they didn't break up Sonic and Sally then this stuff wouldn't be happening! Fiona was used as a tool to make two friends fight each other. Also, the amount of Tails fanboys needs to stop acting like Sonic stole his girl when the reality is, she was never into Tails. How does it make sense to ship them when one of them was a fake while the real one was somewhere else? How is it cucking when Fiona had no clue that Tails has feelings for her? These fanboys throw logic out the window and want what they want...utterly ridiculous

  • @PickleoftheWind
    @PickleoftheWind 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great to have these Archie sonic videos back, I would love to see Silver

  • @GVeraMoore
    @GVeraMoore 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The big betrayal issue was my introduction to Fiona and I loved her since lol
    It's embarrassing how many times my kid self rewrote some of my female characters betraying the protagonists in the same manner just because I thought Fiona's evil turn was so cool

  • @AwesomeFerret25
    @AwesomeFerret25 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love your content. Never cared about archie sonic until your video. Got to learn about so many cool (and very weird) stories, and found a great content creator.