If you already love iRacing, I promise there is nothing of value for you in this video. The video is intended for others who may be in a similar situation as me - currently racing on console, but interested in trying iRacing.
Superb comparison video, subbed to your channel! I've had lots of fun with iRacing years ago (both competing online and vs AI). Now I'm more into racing vs AI. I've been enjoying career mode in Project Cars 2, sandbox playground in Assetto Corsa with mods and some other titles. I'm buying PS5 soon (mostly for the upcoming GTA6). I'm wondering if I should buy GT7 for racing vs AI. I heard standing starts are only possible in custom races in GT7. And that AI in custom races is slow, rubberbanding and unrealistic. What is your perspective on AI in GT7? Should I wait for GT8 with Sophie AI built-in? By the way, I've enjoyed GT5 and GT6 on PS3 for the most part, my favourite thing being licence tests and hotlapping.
@@OlegPredko I don't love racing the AI in GT7. They are either way too slow, or punt you off the track. Sophy is an exception, but I think all Sophy races are limited to 3 laps. Update 1.49 is incoming in the next couple of weeks, with improvements, expansion of Sophy, but details aren't known yet. Thank you much!!
I went from racing ACC and racing on a triple 4k curved monitors with a pretty nice PC to GT7 and love the change. It's so much easier to manage and more accessible. And more fun in my opinion. I used to be one of those PC racing sim elitists like many people here in the comments until I seriously gave GT7 a chance. Plus it's gorgeous and has a lot of content between cars, tracks, and customization. Oh and you don't have to donate a kidney to play GT7.
Exactly this! I don't know why so many iRacing had a hard time with this video. It was about what was a better fit for me. Right now. They reacted like I insulted their mother. Thanks for watching!
Gran Turismo 7 is absolutely hands down fantastic in every way, with a Fanatec DD+ base the FFB is unrivaled. The elitist/egotistical fools speaking with Elzero experience really harm the community with their toxic cult nonsense. If Gran turismo 7 had a subscription pro mode with marshalling and higher payouts Iracing would be left in the dust. Using simhub and shakers and wind with Gran Turismo 7 just goes to the top of podium.
Its not really iracing's fault that you tried to install windows on an apple product . Of course its going to be easier to play a Playstation only game on a Playstation than trying to root your Mac and install another software on it that its not supported by factory . It could have been any other game , ACC , AC , Dirt , WRC and you would have had the same problems
Someone claimed my setup didn't meet iRacing requirements, then deleted his comment. My response follows... Right now, iRacing shows a high end processor recommendation of 8 cores. The Mac I used is 12 cores. They list high end memory recommendation at 32 GB. The Mac I used is 64 GB. The Mac I used also meets their Recommended GPU requirements at 6GB dedicated. Running Windows on an Intel Mac is no different than running on a PC if you are using boot camp, which I am.
So while yes, iracing uses multithreading, single core performance matters a LOT more here. Arguably more than your gpu. For reference btw there's 12 core CPU that have been around since like 2012, and those are gonna struggle to keep up at all. I know that your pc is at least from before 2021, because apple doesnt use intel at all anymore. The closest thing I'm seeing is a Mac Pro from 2012, which at this point in iracing's life cycle is just not enough to run the game on anything higher than lowest settings, especially since that was on a Xeon CPU with AMD crossfire gpus, it will not run well. I'm sorry but it really just isnt enough for 2024 iracing. I'd be interested to know what model of mac you have specifically, so I can provide recommendations about the settings. theres a lot that you shouldn't touch in there tbh. Something simple like an R5 5600x, 16gb of DDR4 ram (3600mhz), and an RTX 4060 would be enough to run iracing well enough, and you could honestly have an ok setup for about 1k, including the peripherals.
Thank you for this comment and being respectful with your pushback. I was using a fully upgraded 2012 Mac Pro. I expected it wouldn't run iRacing at max settings, but it did meet or exceed every spec iRacing listed on its site at the time. I appreciate and agree that a more up to date gaming PC would perform better. That all said, the video was an experiment with what I had access to on hand. I wasn't willing to spend hundreds of dollars or more to check out iRacing. I was willing to spend under $100 for a 3 months iRacing subscription, Windows activation, assorted cables and accessories. The point of the video was to share my specific experience and situation. I respect that perspective doesn't appeal to everyone. I may go back to iRacing at some point, and if I do, I'd put together a gaming PC. Like I said, I wasn't willing to dedicate those resources to trying iRacing. I appreciate your respectful input.
@@DigitalRelay $0 spent on GT7 since launch, all tracks, cars, updates, Free psvr2 in this game is far better than 2D iracing is cool too, just a different thing
I’ve been playing Grand Turismo since GT1. It’s been a lot of fun through the years, but GT7 is a simcade and lacks the realism of iRacing. iRacing and PC sim racing gear is insanely expensive, and I get why people like to go the console route.
Started iracing a year ago, on a pc with vr, used to run short oval short tracks in the 70s and 80s, so I needed the immersion even though I'm old and slow. Not very computer literate but managed to get semi proficient within the system, loading times are under a minute, all about getting used to it. Like the ai aspect, and that a season is 12 or 13 weeks and each race has a full week dedicated to it at different times of the day and night along with practice. You are correct in that there is a toxic culture in some of the races, lesser than more thank goodness. When folks talk about the cost, that's up to the individual, I ran all the free content for 3 to 5 months except for a couple tracks we raced back in the day and had a blast. What folks need to realize, is the cost of iracing is what you control after sign up the cost of racing in street stocks in real life, used car 1500 to 3000, complete or not, spec tires 200 to 300, sometimes you can run most of the year, usually not, fuel, upkeep, pit crew fees travel times even if it's close. Point is iracing doesn't have to be expensive, compare it to pack of smokes your frapochino lattay mocha frothy triple shot of wtf ever that stuff is a month and you might be surprised, just saying. I truly enjoyed the honest comparison and truly appreciate the choices that are out there for everyone. Thank you for that.
Thanks for your perspective on this. You make some great points, especially on iRacing vs real life racing. I raced go karts in real life for a brief period and I appreciate you bringing up those real life costs. For me, it was also the real life time and energy that was just too much for me. That's the point I was trying to make in the video, that for me, in my situation, at this time, GT7 is a better fit for me than iRacing. I could see totally getting into iRacing if/when my life circumstances change though. Thanks again, sir!
I think you did a fantastic job. I also love GT7, started playing it 2 years ago and trust me when i say that once i found out that you could race on a wheel and pedals, it did not take me long to dive in had first and hard. I honestly have dumped thousands of dollars into playing this game. I'm on a Sim Racing Team, (TenTenths SimRacing) i race in multiple leagues and the founder of our team is into commentating (GT45 Gaming) so i get to see that side of things as well. I also had just recently started racing in iRacing, ACC, Forza Motorsports, rFactor2, RaceRoom. I started out with a $200 pre-built PC that i had bought from someone on marketplace but recently upgraded to a more expensive and powerful PC so that i could experiment with more racing games online and do my toes in the streaming world. You literally have your ups and downs with either system/ console. Constant issues with PD in GT7, taking a little longer to get up and going for PC racing but, i love sim racing so i deal with all the issues that come with either one and I'm 44 years old so..
Many subscribers dont like the *new ui either .... As someone with 11 years into it its nice to hear from a newbie that I am infact correct about the Ui mm..Unfortunately they just shutdown the website so its the only way to access races now 😢
@@MrRaphaelLippi no it's better to have windows constantly popping up on top of other ones every time I click on something and to have the whole thing restart everytime you update content..
That's an interesting thought. Honestly, if they mimicked iRacing's penalty system of equal fault, I think it'd be better. But I think it's clear Polyphony Digital doesn't seem to care about the penalty system problems since they don't address it at all.
awsome. i play iracing for last 10 years and i didnt even know someone would be doing gran turismo for 20 years. wow. how surprising is the world. nice video mate i really enjoy your video and insights
You aren’t completely wrong. I love iRacing, but I love Forza Motorsport. I feel more immersed on Forza having all the upgrades and wheels and body kits and I actually prefer it for road racing over iRacing but as for NASCAR, iRacing all day hands down which makes me interested to see the new NASCAR game coming out.
Great video! Back in the days, I played GT3. However, I missed GT4, GT5, GT6, and GT Sport. Now, after watching many videos and livestreams of GT7 online racing, I'm thinking about to join Gran Turismo again. Just need a PS5, a monitor, a steering wheel, and GT7... gonna get expensive, I guess 😅
I tried iracing, and there’s just no way. The hoops I had to jump through just to do one race to feel it out was unbelievable, and the nickel and dimeing is disgusting.
Agreed. The UI felt cumbersome to me too. Getting on track the first time took more steps and more time than I expected. It got easier as time went on, but still felt clunky.
Meanwhile, gt7 charges $100 for enough credits to buy a car and has 3 races per week to race. You get what you pay for. Different ui takes time to get used to. You're used to console gaming ui's. It's a pretty good ui, but I'm used to it, and I know where everything is... after tike using it. Seems like petty gripes, honestly. Gt7 has no protest system. Has horrible tire model. Has typical troll chat. And the community is just awful.
@@DrSpoculus I mean that’s your take. My take is, I never use real money to buy credits for cars, you can rent a car for any event and won’t cost money, never had an issue with the community, sure there’s assholes that ruin it for everyone sometimes but that’s with every game
@steveybiggunzgaming8118 you're not wrong. It's just my opinion. I see the money argument all the time in comparison videos. It's a weird one to me, but again, that's just me. Just some things i compare...Gt 7 costs $70. A year of iracing is less than $70. Most gamers aren't going to play a game for a year before moving on to something else. But if we're talking serious racing gamers, then each is probably worth their price. Both are great games/Sims. I didn't see it mentioned in your video and you bring up a good point about gt7 letting you earn cars, but iracing let's you earn money every season(12 weeks) for competing in certain series that you can use to buy more cars and tracks. (If u mentioned this and I missed it, apologies) I think it's up to something like $20 per season, and you can use that to renew your subscription and/or new cars and tracks. It's pretty much free if you race your quota every season. 4-8 races depending on the series needed. Honestly, I want to thank you for the video. It takes a lot of work and effort to put videos together, and it takes more balls than I have to put my opinions out there in video format. I appreciate you, brother. Apologies for being douchey in my first comment.
@@DrSpoculusIn my experience, bad behavior in the chat as well as on the track only occurred in the lower skill ranks. The further I progressed, the better and more pleasant both became. In the meantime, all opponents drive in an exemplary manner and there is hardly anyone who behaves badly in the chat either. Maybe you were just unlucky with the lobbies, but I hope you still have fun with Gran Turismo.
Don’t listen to this guy about getting a pc set up. If you aren’t doing some Frankenstein concoction with hardware from 2007 it is literally as easy as buying a pre built and plugging it in. You’ll also never get the graphics this game offers (all be it they aren’t anything to brag about) if you’re using the recommended hardware that hasn’t been updated since the game was made in 2015. Also. This guy raced two of the easiest/basic cars in iRacing. While those cars are fun. You won’t get the true iRacing experience until you get to at least GT3’s or Formula cars. The Hybrid LMP’s are absolutely BONKERS if you have a decent set up. I’m all for opinions, but you can’t do weird things with a pc and say “it was hard”. And barely experience 1/16 of the content of a video game and give an opinion on it. It would be like playing the first 20 minutes of an RPG and then giving an opinion of the game.
@@RavioliRavioliGimmeTheFormouli I choose "kk" because it gets the comment off my cue and avoids pointless back and forth. You lead with "don't listen to this guy" then challenged the basis of my video. I think you and several others missed the point of the video.
@@DigitalRelay no, we just want an honest video. You’re telling people pc is difficult. Because YOU had a bad experience with some weird Frankenstein things you did. That isn’t true for 99 percent of pc users. You basically read two pages into a book and then gave your opinion on it. That isn’t fair to anyone that might want to try iRacing and then watches your video. You should make a new video where you buy a windows pc and plug it in. And also where you experience at least half of what iRacing has to offer. Also, maybe one where you have capable hardware so you don’t have to tell everyone how bad your frame rates were despite the fact you’re using a glorified typewriter to play it.
@@RavioliRavioliGimmeTheFormouli Now I'm being dishonest? smh... You're wrong. The entire premise of the video was MY experience, not telling people PCs are hard. Not making recommendations. Not telling people what they should do, think, or buy. I thought it would be helpful for other people in a similar situation as me - a long-time console player interested in iRacing. That's it. Why some of you are so offended and defensive about iRacing and PCs is completely beyond me. And how is it some weird Frankenstein project when it meets and exceeds every iRacing spec listed? Because the box says Apple? Are you aware they specifically say on their website using an Intel Mac is fine if it meets specs and you are running Windows with bootcamp? Maybe you should make that video and gain the perspective of what it takes to make this kind of content. You again missed the point. Hence why I tried to dismiss your comment with "kk" and not getting into this "discussion" where absolutely nothing will come of it.
I'm playing both and have almost all gold in gt7 Gt7 cool game, very accessible and fun. Iracing is a sim, very expensice one with shitty graphics, but iracing is another planet to gt7 in terms of realism and racing competitions. If I will be forced to choose one - it will be iracing for sure.
So I'll share my perspective on iracing, as I've been racing on the service since 2017, but have also played GT Sport, and a few of the older GT games. Ive been through a lot of the major overhauls for the service, and my opinion has changed as these changes have been made. Personally, there really isnt a better sim out there. It has it's flaws but in terms of its physics, ability for team events, and levels of customization (and tbh, compatibility of peripherals, theres been literally nothing I couldn't bind something to) and I think the fact that its the place where the most real life pro drivers spend their time, and are actually still insanely fast is on this service. Iracing's biggest problem is its graphics, and to be perfectly honest, they're dated. They are actively working on improving them though, and in all honesty, the rain looks spectacular. In regards to their price, yes its high, but thats also a bit of a good thing here. Iracing as a service is meant to be treated higher than just a game, in that its a substitute entry point for real racing. Its becoming more and more common for people to find their start on iracing, then go on and race real cars at a very high level. It also incentivizes better standards of racing, as theres more to lose if you intentionally be an idiot. I will however say, track price is inconsistent. Though I assume this is due to licensing. Though if you plan well, $100 can go a VERY long way. And if a car is taken out of usage, and you recently bought it, you will get a refund, and keep the old car to use for other things (some hosted events will use older cars, or in the case of the HPD, new series) iRacing teaches braking technique better than any other racing game out there, its genuinely the best part of its physics model, I will die on this hill, no one comes close. Same with rain driving, nobody is within a lightyear of their rain model. As for the other drivers. youll meet some of the best and the worst people youll meet here, but the thing is, on iR, you can report them, and if they have a history, they can get perma banned. If you don't want to hear the people, just turn off chat. Personally I don't have an issue with the menus on iracing (though I've been using the UI since it first went into beta so maybe im just used to it?) Getting into races is very quick, and you can just type in the type of car, it will show all available series with that car, and then you click on the race session or a practice session. Test drive is easier, just click car, click track, click conditions, click drive. I will however say, iracing's ai is... not great. I've had some really good races, but setting it up is a hassle if you don't know what exactly to change to make it work. I really did like GT sport, which it looks like 7 is more of the same, but the lack of compatibility is a real problem for GT which makes it very hard for me to treat it anything other than casually. I would recommend that with iracing, especially early on, stick to one of the lower class series, learn just that car and it will improve the experience, as youre stepping into something you know well, even if you don't know the track. Fixed series are also your friend. as buying/making setups takes time and or money. something like the GT4 fixed series would be perfect. Or if you want to spend not very much at all, the GR86 or even MX5 are still very fun. Theyre low barrier to entry, easy to drive, and quick to learn the tracks for. For me tbh GT and iRacing are far enough apart that they really have a hard time being compared in a lot of circumstances, but i definitely agree iR is meant for a hardcore audience, and its by design. and GT i can play with a controller, lol.
What a great video hooked the whole time. Tried Iracing awhile back mainly for the oval racing. But with Iracing putting out a nascar game for console in 25 I’ll stick to console. The plug and play ease of console is what I love the most. Iracing interface is very clunky and not intuitive at all.
Great honest video from your standpoint! With Gran Turismo more on the SIM-cade side of racing, I was curious if you've ever tried Assetto Corsa Competizione? If so, just your thoughts of how it compares to Gran turismo, or even buy racing now that you've played it. Thanks and keep up the Great content.
Best comparison ever seen. Not between 2 racing games but over all comparison vids i ve seen to this date. PERFECT CONTENT. New sub my man, Keep it up! 👊♥️
I like G7 mainly do more sims than the arcade sims but wanted to do more GT7 for a while but my setup is pc only :( need to figure something out to get some GT7 going. Good video.
If you had running pc with windows, installation and setup is straightforward and simple. True, UI can be overwhelming. But when you get it, you are on track within few clicks and loading of course takes up to 2,3 mins... Iracing can look much better than here even with medium pc. Maxed out its not very far from gt... Nice vid btw
Gran turismo 7 is better for 90% of players and there are 10% who like full sims more. Full sims were always been niche and driving sims as well thats why fanatec filling bankruptcy logitech dd wheel without accessories and that’s why thrustmaster can’t even make a dd wheel for ps and selling their 10 years old t300 and their reskinned t-gt. We should be happy that we have like 3 game (acc,iracing,gt7) instead of fighting with each other
I used to drive a lot of gran turismo games but once I tried iracing and learned a few things I've never looked back. GT7 now feels like a kids game in comparison. The UI is quite easy to figure out once you get the hang of it and the physics is not even comparable. Iracing is much more clean especially when you move up a few licenses. Bad driving is heavily penalized in iracing compared to gt, where it just goes "bump" and you continue like nothing ever happened. Because sony is horrible you have very limited choice in gear and setup - since starting iracing I've gotten triple monitors, an awesome direct drive wheel and great pedals with haptic feedback. Setup is fairly easy if you have a single monitor though. Also, races can have more than 50 cars at one time - crazy to think you did a great qualifying and then you're starting 21st of 55 cars! Graphics is a bit worse than gt7, but physics more than makes of for this - and if you have a good pc and crank the settings there is not much of a difference except too much shiny cars in gt7. The only downsides is switching platform so a lot of the people I used to race with I haven't raced in some time. Finding new racing buddies in iracing a fairly easy though if you have facebook or discord. The other downside is of course the pricing, but having spent around $6K on my rig, the cost of iracing is mere pennies in comparison. If you already have a pc and sim racing equipment I highly encourage you to give it a go - if not then don't try it as you'll never know what you're missing out on and can have lots of fun on consoles.
iRacing is like a golf country club to me… your expected to be perfect and proper all the time. They clearly forget that there’s a reason most of us are gamers, and not real life racers. I’ve tried iRacing and it brings a lot anxiety …I play to game and have fun so I stick with GT7 or other less serious sims like ACC or F124.
Having done both, I would say iRacing is clearly superior BUT as an adult with limited time and just wanting to race AI for some kind of progression in single player and doing online races when I have the time, I feel like Gran Turismo will suit the majority of people better. I spent hundreds on iRacing, while I don't regret it, I also do not have the will to renew my subscription because I just don't have the time to commit to it. For me, Gran Turismo works better and I have enjoyed it quite a lot. I would recommend buying a used PS5 and getting a copy of GT7 over getting into iRacing because it will get expensive very fast.
Good points. They are both amazing games. For some people, iRacing is a better fit. For others, it's GT7. I think it's awesome we have both, and more. Thanks for watching!
It's been a while since I started GT7, but don't you have to grind your way in SP to unlock Sport mode? Looking at it from a brand new player's perspective that is
PS: a big FIVE STAR for iRacing is..... when you meet in a race session real racers like Verstappen, Norris, Juncadella, Marciello, Barrichello, Kimi Antonelli! This is great when you are driving!
My gaming PC GPU was pretty weak so personally, that affected my iRacing graphics. But if you watch game capture footage on TH-cam of GT7 and iRacing, GT7 graphics look much better to me.
I find griping about graphics in a sim game petty. If your racing your eyes are focused 100ft in front of you. Now in a Arcade racer like NfS or Forza horizon nice graphics make sense.
Gran Turismo is literally an arcade game not a real sim. It is just a totally different product than iracing which doesnt make one better than the other. I would rather have a long term career in iracing than something that is run on a console. Glad you gave it a chance
Look at side by side laps of iracing and gt7, it's really not that different. The same rules apply to be fast. I think iracers just get so invested they have to downplay how good gt7 really is.
I am on PC I hated iracing for a year or so. I swore ACC was much better. Iracing is the best. You do not to get some paid content or your missing out. Also the equipment that can be used is so much better. I racing LFE settings is my choice over simhub. It unfortunately will cost thousands more to get a PC capable of running VR or triples
I love them both. Tbh GT7 kinda my first GT game since ps2 days lol. Only cos its got VR i had a go. I just find console racing to be crap compared to pc. Im not a pc fan boy, use it for VR and racing. Only reason i own a pc. Gt7 been good to me, only thing i play on psvr2. Play it daily. Don't use my rig for ps5. Controller. Ps5 isn't compatible with asetek.
@13guns87 Since you race in VR both on PC and PS5, would you mind sharing your VR experience? I'm on an old PC (i7-7700k GTX1080) + Logitech DFGT wheel + HTC Vive from 2017. I'm buying PS5 soon (mainly for the upcoming GTA6). I'm wondering if getting GT7 + PSVR2 will enhance my VR racing experience. My wheel is not supported, so I'll use the PS5 controller. I'm interested in racing vs AI mostly and had lots of fun in VR on PC playing PC2, Dirt Rally 2, AC with mods and iRacing. Do you think it's worth buying PSVR2 + GT7 or I'm not missing out much playing on my old PC untill I buy a new one?
I tried PSVR2 for a few months and although the technology is amazing, I struggled a lot with focus. Between my vision and the display resolution, it was a challenge. I'm sure I'll give PSVR3 a shot when that eventually comes out, because the immersion in VR is fantastic.
No triple screen for PS and PS5 is too weak to render 90 fps which causes motion sickness in VR2. And always felt good playing with game settings. Someone’s tool is someone’s boredom…lol
I love the idea of VR, but my experience on PSVR2 wasn't great. The resolution was lower than I expected, and my eyesight (astigmatism) made it a challenge. Maybe someday.
Great summary video. I'm guessing we're of a similar 'vintage' (though I started in '98 with GT1)?... I've used SimHub but wasn't totally happy with wheel lock and breaking-traction detection. (Actually bought a load of subwoofer/haptics, but they're currently upstairs in my loft - need to get around to fitting them.) Just tend to use SimDashboard app on my phone for reading tyre temps. May I ask what GT7 rating is? A+? (Your racing lines around Acropolis looked pretty tidy.)
Thanks for the comments! I absolutely love using Simhub haptics in both GT7 and iRacing. I appreciate the comments on my racing lines! I'm smack dab in the middle of DR A. I've crept up to about two thirds of the way to A+, but my skills seem to run out there.
@DigitalRelay Re: Lines Yeah, looked smooth. Hitting all your marks. In that bracket of drivers like Tidgney, Kie25, Rory, WombleLeader, DeadEyeDelBoy, SuperGT, DigitGaming, Z28, GroveStreet, SparksTheory, Arkeys74, etc... to name but a few 👍 I myself only habituate the low A (bottom 10%) to upper B... Have to be very selective about 'farming' tracks & car combos otherwise. Just a suggestion (I appreciate it won't appeal to everyone), but be great if sometime you could make a video about your rig set-up. How you've configured SimHub, etc 😉 Cheers
Great video! a have a question about simhub, i have just installed it recently but i don't have ABS data..... is this for you also the case? no ABS data? Want to connect a bass shaker on the brake pedal, when the ABS triggers i want to feel it...
Thank you! You are correct that in Simhub effects for GT7, ABS is not supported. I'm using Traction Loss and Wheels Slip. Give those a shot. Braking and feedback for braking in GT7 is more vague than it is in iRacing, but you should still be able to get it to work decently.
GT looks better, has a better livery editor and photo mode and i still get to tune my car ,i still have braking markers and trail braking unlike true arcade games.And now i have VR2 its taken it to the next level.
I get what your saying that gt7 is a good mess around game and stuff, but if your looking at actually wanting to get as close to real life as possible iRacing wins. And also who cares about iRacing’s graphics they are good when you have a good pc, and it doesn’t make you quicker
The point really is everyone is coming from a different perspective. For some, it might be looking for the most realistic experience possible at any cost of time or money. For others, it might be the quickest, cheapest, or easiest way to start sim racing. I was trying to document and present my very specific experience and perspective thinking it might help out others coming from a similar perspective. It was never about which game was better. It was about which was a better fit for me at the time, and possibly others in a similar situation. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Iracing it overbearing anf for the money it looks outdated its good for it is but gt7 is better to me simple it has it's issues but overall better quality in gt7
I agree with you that GT7 is more of a sim arcade and iRacing is a sim. I disagree with your opinion that they are "not comparable". The same as comparing GT7 to Dark Souls? C'mon man...
Great question. Since I only use bumper cam in GT7, I thought I would struggle with the adjustment, but because iRacing allows for greater adjustment, it was very easy to get used to. I think there are also so many other variables to adjust to like graphics, physic, different cars and different tracks that no single difference sticks out. That said, it was pretty easy to learn and adjust to and be able to be competitive in my rookie level within a few hours.
@@DigitalRelay thank you! I use bumper cam in GT as well. Can't play it in cockpit. Want to try iracing but was worried that the cockpit view would end up being a deal breaker. Great video btw.
iRacing subscription model is such a scam. Gran Turismo graphic is way better and everything is just smooth and UI design is easy to use. GT7 is just over all better.
I'm a Mac user from 1990 and I played GT3 and GT4 for some years before go to a real simulator as iRacing. When I decide to go to the Pc for trying PC simulator I don't use the Mac but I build a pc. Mac are great for work but for gameplay I choose to use a pc. In my opinion, the great difference from GT3/GT4/etc and iRacing (AC-ACC and rFactor) is the simulation. GT3 is a game against really low cost simulator. And sorry, when I saw your video and the POV you use in GTx, that confirm you are a gamer and not a racer ;-)
When you're talking about cost there's a section clearly displayed that says 'go racing', but then at the 5:05 mark you're complaining about navigating the UI, while 'Go racing' is hidden from view. ???????
@@DigitalRelay If I made a video about gt7 that was riddled with inaccurate information, I would expect gt7 fans to call me out on it too. It works both ways.
@@DigitalRelay I mean, it is. But you clearly don't wanna hear it,. Also, if you don't want iRacing people commenting, posting this in the iRacing section of GT planet wasn't a good start.
I'm all for iRacing people commenting if it contributes to the conversation. I think most of the iRacing crowd commenting on this video is being hyper critical and at times misrepresenting my points, or just being immature and disrespectful. I appreciate you being respectful with your comments, but I think you were reaching for something that wasn't there on the UI comment, and then you double-downed with "riddled with inaccurate information". I 100% stand by that iRacing's UI is clunkier, slower and more cumbersome than GT7 on a PS5. I didn't intentionally hide "Go Racing" in that footage. It was just b-roll to give an indication of what the UI looked like for people who have not seen it. I also wouldn't have characterized my comments as complaining. Anyway, thanks for the input, even if I disagree with you.
One is a Simulator and one isn't there is a differences if your looking for something that is real close to real LIFE then iRacing is your #1 choice but cost $ and not available on consoles. GT7 is a Arcade Simulator
I think what you're saying is... "One is a simulator, and one isn't. There are differences. If you're looking for something that is really close to real life, then iRacing is your #1 choice. But it costs more money and is not available on consoles. GT7 is an arcade simulator, also called sim-cade."
I dont do i-racing cause im not paying thousands. But acc i s perfect for me. After playing acc for so long i tried gt7 and it just felt fake. But playing the vr in gt7 was better then i thought. Gt7 not taking cockpit view seriously ruins it for me.
I've not played ACC, but in GT7 you have very limited ability to adjust your field of view. In iRacing, you can pretty much adjust your position in the cockpit and field of view to exactly what you want.
@@BrianBaastrup in ACC you can change FOV and have the option to turn off the in-game steering wheel and hands, in GT7 you can't do these so it is annoying seeing your wheel and hand and also in-game wheel and hands. Atleast it's not an issue in GT7 in VR seeing double.
A sony amd Mac commercial...lol. Just because you are bad at PCs you should not mention that part. That just a probelm with the user. Not the hardware. The proof is, you used a mac as a pc. Geee... wonder why you had trouble...lmao. As far as the review. You confused your game review with lack of knowledge and poor hardware choices. The fact that you said your Video card was a 6 gig nvidia speaks volumes about that lack of knowledge (the trash can came with AMD GPUs). Example. What kind of car do you race. Well it's a 6 cylinder. You know. As for the games. I don't know enought to comment. That all seemed mostly legit.
The point was to document my experience for others who might be in a similar situation where they've raced on a console and think iRacing might be worth trying. The point was definitely not to compare which game (it's not a game, it's a simulation) is better.
Not even sure why you made this video. If you like GT7 that much stay there. I only got 7 minutes into the vid and all you did was complain about what you had to do to make iRacing work. And just so you don't think I'm an iRacing fan boy I left iRacing in December and havn't looked back. I found 2 other racing titles I like more.
If you already love iRacing, I promise there is nothing of value for you in this video. The video is intended for others who may be in a similar situation as me - currently racing on console, but interested in trying iRacing.
Superb comparison video, subbed to your channel! I've had lots of fun with iRacing years ago (both competing online and vs AI). Now I'm more into racing vs AI. I've been enjoying career mode in Project Cars 2, sandbox playground in Assetto Corsa with mods and some other titles. I'm buying PS5 soon (mostly for the upcoming GTA6). I'm wondering if I should buy GT7 for racing vs AI. I heard standing starts are only possible in custom races in GT7. And that AI in custom races is slow, rubberbanding and unrealistic. What is your perspective on AI in GT7? Should I wait for GT8 with Sophie AI built-in? By the way, I've enjoyed GT5 and GT6 on PS3 for the most part, my favourite thing being licence tests and hotlapping.
@@OlegPredko I don't love racing the AI in GT7. They are either way too slow, or punt you off the track. Sophy is an exception, but I think all Sophy races are limited to 3 laps. Update 1.49 is incoming in the next couple of weeks, with improvements, expansion of Sophy, but details aren't known yet. Thank you much!!
@@DigitalRelay Thanks for your reply. Let's wait for GT7 update.
I went from racing ACC and racing on a triple 4k curved monitors with a pretty nice PC to GT7 and love the change. It's so much easier to manage and more accessible. And more fun in my opinion. I used to be one of those PC racing sim elitists like many people here in the comments until I seriously gave GT7 a chance. Plus it's gorgeous and has a lot of content between cars, tracks, and customization. Oh and you don't have to donate a kidney to play GT7.
Exactly this! I don't know why so many iRacing had a hard time with this video. It was about what was a better fit for me. Right now. They reacted like I insulted their mother. Thanks for watching!
Gran Turismo 7 is absolutely hands down fantastic in every way, with a Fanatec DD+ base the FFB is unrivaled. The elitist/egotistical fools speaking with Elzero experience really harm the community with their toxic cult nonsense. If Gran turismo 7 had a subscription pro mode with marshalling and higher payouts Iracing would be left in the dust. Using simhub and shakers and wind with Gran Turismo 7 just goes to the top of podium.
Its not really iracing's fault that you tried to install windows on an apple product . Of course its going to be easier to play a Playstation only game on a Playstation than trying to root your Mac and install another software on it that its not supported by factory . It could have been any other game , ACC , AC , Dirt , WRC and you would have had the same problems
I didn't say anything was iRacing's fault.
Someone claimed my setup didn't meet iRacing requirements, then deleted his comment. My response follows... Right now, iRacing shows a high end processor recommendation of 8 cores. The Mac I used is 12 cores. They list high end memory recommendation at 32 GB. The Mac I used is 64 GB. The Mac I used also meets their Recommended GPU requirements at 6GB dedicated. Running Windows on an Intel Mac is no different than running on a PC if you are using boot camp, which I am.
So while yes, iracing uses multithreading, single core performance matters a LOT more here. Arguably more than your gpu. For reference btw there's 12 core CPU that have been around since like 2012, and those are gonna struggle to keep up at all. I know that your pc is at least from before 2021, because apple doesnt use intel at all anymore. The closest thing I'm seeing is a Mac Pro from 2012, which at this point in iracing's life cycle is just not enough to run the game on anything higher than lowest settings, especially since that was on a Xeon CPU with AMD crossfire gpus, it will not run well. I'm sorry but it really just isnt enough for 2024 iracing.
I'd be interested to know what model of mac you have specifically, so I can provide recommendations about the settings. theres a lot that you shouldn't touch in there tbh.
Something simple like an R5 5600x, 16gb of DDR4 ram (3600mhz), and an RTX 4060 would be enough to run iracing well enough, and you could honestly have an ok setup for about 1k, including the peripherals.
Thank you for this comment and being respectful with your pushback. I was using a fully upgraded 2012 Mac Pro. I expected it wouldn't run iRacing at max settings, but it did meet or exceed every spec iRacing listed on its site at the time. I appreciate and agree that a more up to date gaming PC would perform better. That all said, the video was an experiment with what I had access to on hand. I wasn't willing to spend hundreds of dollars or more to check out iRacing. I was willing to spend under $100 for a 3 months iRacing subscription, Windows activation, assorted cables and accessories. The point of the video was to share my specific experience and situation. I respect that perspective doesn't appeal to everyone. I may go back to iRacing at some point, and if I do, I'd put together a gaming PC. Like I said, I wasn't willing to dedicate those resources to trying iRacing. I appreciate your respectful input.
@@DigitalRelay $0 spent on GT7 since launch, all tracks, cars, updates, Free
psvr2 in this game is far better than 2D
iracing is cool too, just a different thing
I’ve been playing Grand Turismo since GT1. It’s been a lot of fun through the years, but GT7 is a simcade and lacks the realism of iRacing. iRacing and PC sim racing gear is insanely expensive, and I get why people like to go the console route.
Started iracing a year ago, on a pc with vr, used to run short oval short tracks in the 70s and 80s, so I needed the immersion even though I'm old and slow. Not very computer literate but managed to get semi proficient within the system, loading times are under a minute, all about getting used to it. Like the ai aspect, and that a season is 12 or 13 weeks and each race has a full week dedicated to it at different times of the day and night along with practice. You are correct in that there is a toxic culture in some of the races, lesser than more thank goodness. When folks talk about the cost, that's up to the individual, I ran all the free content for 3 to 5 months except for a couple tracks we raced back in the day and had a blast. What folks need to realize, is the cost of iracing is what you control after sign up the cost of racing in street stocks in real life, used car 1500 to 3000, complete or not, spec tires 200 to 300, sometimes you can run most of the year, usually not, fuel, upkeep, pit crew fees travel times even if it's close. Point is iracing doesn't have to be expensive, compare it to pack of smokes your frapochino lattay mocha frothy triple shot of wtf ever that stuff is a month and you might be surprised, just saying. I truly enjoyed the honest comparison and truly appreciate the choices that are out there for everyone. Thank you for that.
Thanks for your perspective on this. You make some great points, especially on iRacing vs real life racing. I raced go karts in real life for a brief period and I appreciate you bringing up those real life costs. For me, it was also the real life time and energy that was just too much for me. That's the point I was trying to make in the video, that for me, in my situation, at this time, GT7 is a better fit for me than iRacing. I could see totally getting into iRacing if/when my life circumstances change though. Thanks again, sir!
Great Video! Definitely a very "practical" comparison to make sure we all understand what we are getting ourselves into.
Thank you much!
I think you did a fantastic job. I also love GT7, started playing it 2 years ago and trust me when i say that once i found out that you could race on a wheel and pedals, it did not take me long to dive in had first and hard. I honestly have dumped thousands of dollars into playing this game. I'm on a Sim Racing Team, (TenTenths SimRacing) i race in multiple leagues and the founder of our team is into commentating (GT45 Gaming) so i get to see that side of things as well. I also had just recently started racing in iRacing, ACC, Forza Motorsports, rFactor2, RaceRoom. I started out with a $200 pre-built PC that i had bought from someone on marketplace but recently upgraded to a more expensive and powerful PC so that i could experiment with more racing games online and do my toes in the streaming world. You literally have your ups and downs with either system/ console. Constant issues with PD in GT7, taking a little longer to get up and going for PC racing but, i love sim racing so i deal with all the issues that come with either one and I'm 44 years old so..
Awesome story, sir, and thank you so much!
Many subscribers dont like the *new ui either .... As someone with 11 years into it its nice to hear from a newbie that I am infact correct about the Ui mm..Unfortunately they just shutdown the website so its the only way to access races now 😢
wtf I never liked starting from the website, feels awkward.
@@MrRaphaelLippi no it's better to have windows constantly popping up on top of other ones every time I click on something and to have the whole thing restart everytime you update content..
GT7 can actually solve the panelty problem if they use Sofi AI to judge it , but they are may be holding on it because of PS4 compatibility
That's an interesting thought. Honestly, if they mimicked iRacing's penalty system of equal fault, I think it'd be better. But I think it's clear Polyphony Digital doesn't seem to care about the penalty system problems since they don't address it at all.
awsome. i play iracing for last 10 years and i didnt even know someone would be doing gran turismo for 20 years. wow. how surprising is the world. nice video mate i really enjoy your video and insights
Thank you, sir! Yes, time flies!
You aren’t completely wrong. I love iRacing, but I love Forza Motorsport.
I feel more immersed on Forza having all the upgrades and wheels and body kits and I actually prefer it for road racing over iRacing but as for NASCAR, iRacing all day hands down which makes me interested to see the new NASCAR game coming out.
Great video! Back in the days, I played GT3. However, I missed GT4, GT5, GT6, and GT Sport. Now, after watching many videos and livestreams of GT7 online racing, I'm thinking about to join Gran Turismo again. Just need a PS5, a monitor, a steering wheel, and GT7... gonna get expensive, I guess 😅
Hahaha... Yeah, the expenses can add up quickly, but it's nowhere near as bad as racing in real life!
It's worth it...
I tried iracing, and there’s just no way. The hoops I had to jump through just to do one race to feel it out was unbelievable, and the nickel and dimeing is disgusting.
Agreed. The UI felt cumbersome to me too. Getting on track the first time took more steps and more time than I expected. It got easier as time went on, but still felt clunky.
Meanwhile, gt7 charges $100 for enough credits to buy a car and has 3 races per week to race. You get what you pay for.
Different ui takes time to get used to. You're used to console gaming ui's. It's a pretty good ui, but I'm used to it, and I know where everything is... after tike using it.
Seems like petty gripes, honestly.
Gt7 has no protest system. Has horrible tire model. Has typical troll chat. And the community is just awful.
@@DrSpoculus I mean that’s your take. My take is, I never use real money to buy credits for cars, you can rent a car for any event and won’t cost money, never had an issue with the community, sure there’s assholes that ruin it for everyone sometimes but that’s with every game
@steveybiggunzgaming8118 you're not wrong. It's just my opinion.
I see the money argument all the time in comparison videos. It's a weird one to me, but again, that's just me.
Just some things i compare...Gt 7 costs $70. A year of iracing is less than $70. Most gamers aren't going to play a game for a year before moving on to something else. But if we're talking serious racing gamers, then each is probably worth their price. Both are great games/Sims.
I didn't see it mentioned in your video and you bring up a good point about gt7 letting you earn cars, but iracing let's you earn money every season(12 weeks) for competing in certain series that you can use to buy more cars and tracks. (If u mentioned this and I missed it, apologies) I think it's up to something like $20 per season, and you can use that to renew your subscription and/or new cars and tracks. It's pretty much free if you race your quota every season. 4-8 races depending on the series needed.
Honestly, I want to thank you for the video. It takes a lot of work and effort to put videos together, and it takes more balls than I have to put my opinions out there in video format. I appreciate you, brother. Apologies for being douchey in my first comment.
@@DrSpoculusIn my experience, bad behavior in the chat as well as on the track only occurred in the lower skill ranks.
The further I progressed, the better and more pleasant both became.
In the meantime, all opponents drive in an exemplary manner and there is hardly anyone who behaves badly in the chat either.
Maybe you were just unlucky with the lobbies, but I hope you still have fun with Gran Turismo.
Sure is nice hearing the personal, honest experience you had.
Thank you, brother!!
Don’t listen to this guy about getting a pc set up. If you aren’t doing some Frankenstein concoction with hardware from 2007 it is literally as easy as buying a pre built and plugging it in. You’ll also never get the graphics this game offers (all be it they aren’t anything to brag about) if you’re using the recommended hardware that hasn’t been updated since the game was made in 2015.
Also. This guy raced two of the easiest/basic cars in iRacing. While those cars are fun. You won’t get the true iRacing experience until you get to at least GT3’s or Formula cars. The Hybrid LMP’s are absolutely BONKERS if you have a decent set up.
I’m all for opinions, but you can’t do weird things with a pc and say “it was hard”. And barely experience 1/16 of the content of a video game and give an opinion on it. It would be like playing the first 20 minutes of an RPG and then giving an opinion of the game.
Kk
@@DigitalRelay mature. No wonder you play GT on console. Makes sense.
@@RavioliRavioliGimmeTheFormouli I choose "kk" because it gets the comment off my cue and avoids pointless back and forth. You lead with "don't listen to this guy" then challenged the basis of my video. I think you and several others missed the point of the video.
@@DigitalRelay no, we just want an honest video. You’re telling people pc is difficult. Because YOU had a bad experience with some weird Frankenstein things you did. That isn’t true for 99 percent of pc users.
You basically read two pages into a book and then gave your opinion on it. That isn’t fair to anyone that might want to try iRacing and then watches your video.
You should make a new video where you buy a windows pc and plug it in. And also where you experience at least half of what iRacing has to offer. Also, maybe one where you have capable hardware so you don’t have to tell everyone how bad your frame rates were despite the fact you’re using a glorified typewriter to play it.
@@RavioliRavioliGimmeTheFormouli Now I'm being dishonest? smh... You're wrong. The entire premise of the video was MY experience, not telling people PCs are hard. Not making recommendations. Not telling people what they should do, think, or buy. I thought it would be helpful for other people in a similar situation as me - a long-time console player interested in iRacing. That's it. Why some of you are so offended and defensive about iRacing and PCs is completely beyond me.
And how is it some weird Frankenstein project when it meets and exceeds every iRacing spec listed? Because the box says Apple? Are you aware they specifically say on their website using an Intel Mac is fine if it meets specs and you are running Windows with bootcamp?
Maybe you should make that video and gain the perspective of what it takes to make this kind of content.
You again missed the point. Hence why I tried to dismiss your comment with "kk" and not getting into this "discussion" where absolutely nothing will come of it.
I'm playing both and have almost all gold in gt7
Gt7 cool game, very accessible and fun. Iracing is a sim, very expensice one with shitty graphics, but iracing is another planet to gt7 in terms of realism and racing competitions. If I will be forced to choose one - it will be iracing for sure.
So I'll share my perspective on iracing, as I've been racing on the service since 2017, but have also played GT Sport, and a few of the older GT games.
Ive been through a lot of the major overhauls for the service, and my opinion has changed as these changes have been made.
Personally, there really isnt a better sim out there. It has it's flaws but in terms of its physics, ability for team events, and levels of customization (and tbh, compatibility of peripherals, theres been literally nothing I couldn't bind something to) and I think the fact that its the place where the most real life pro drivers spend their time, and are actually still insanely fast is on this service.
Iracing's biggest problem is its graphics, and to be perfectly honest, they're dated. They are actively working on improving them though, and in all honesty, the rain looks spectacular.
In regards to their price, yes its high, but thats also a bit of a good thing here. Iracing as a service is meant to be treated higher than just a game, in that its a substitute entry point for real racing. Its becoming more and more common for people to find their start on iracing, then go on and race real cars at a very high level. It also incentivizes better standards of racing, as theres more to lose if you intentionally be an idiot.
I will however say, track price is inconsistent. Though I assume this is due to licensing. Though if you plan well, $100 can go a VERY long way. And if a car is taken out of usage, and you recently bought it, you will get a refund, and keep the old car to use for other things (some hosted events will use older cars, or in the case of the HPD, new series)
iRacing teaches braking technique better than any other racing game out there, its genuinely the best part of its physics model, I will die on this hill, no one comes close. Same with rain driving, nobody is within a lightyear of their rain model.
As for the other drivers. youll meet some of the best and the worst people youll meet here, but the thing is, on iR, you can report them, and if they have a history, they can get perma banned. If you don't want to hear the people, just turn off chat.
Personally I don't have an issue with the menus on iracing (though I've been using the UI since it first went into beta so maybe im just used to it?) Getting into races is very quick, and you can just type in the type of car, it will show all available series with that car, and then you click on the race session or a practice session. Test drive is easier, just click car, click track, click conditions, click drive. I will however say, iracing's ai is... not great. I've had some really good races, but setting it up is a hassle if you don't know what exactly to change to make it work.
I really did like GT sport, which it looks like 7 is more of the same, but the lack of compatibility is a real problem for GT which makes it very hard for me to treat it anything other than casually.
I would recommend that with iracing, especially early on, stick to one of the lower class series, learn just that car and it will improve the experience, as youre stepping into something you know well, even if you don't know the track. Fixed series are also your friend. as buying/making setups takes time and or money.
something like the GT4 fixed series would be perfect. Or if you want to spend not very much at all, the GR86 or even MX5 are still very fun. Theyre low barrier to entry, easy to drive, and quick to learn the tracks for.
For me tbh GT and iRacing are far enough apart that they really have a hard time being compared in a lot of circumstances, but i definitely agree iR is meant for a hardcore audience, and its by design. and GT i can play with a controller, lol.
I agree with all of this. Thanks for your input!
What a great video hooked the whole time. Tried Iracing awhile back mainly for the oval racing. But with Iracing putting out a nascar game for console in 25 I’ll stick to console. The plug and play ease of console is what I love the most. Iracing interface is very clunky and not intuitive at all.
Thanks for the input, brother!!
Great honest video from your standpoint! With Gran Turismo more on the SIM-cade side of racing, I was curious if you've ever tried Assetto Corsa Competizione? If so, just your thoughts of how it compares to Gran turismo, or even buy racing now that you've played it. Thanks and keep up the Great content.
Thank you so much! I have not tried ACC yet, but it's been suggested a couple times now. I may do that. If I do, I'll put another video together.
Best comparison ever seen. Not between 2 racing games but over all comparison vids i ve seen to this date.
PERFECT CONTENT.
New sub my man, Keep it up! 👊♥️
Wow, thanks!
I like G7 mainly do more sims than the arcade sims but wanted to do more GT7 for a while but my setup is pc only :( need to figure something out to get some GT7 going. Good video.
If you had running pc with windows, installation and setup is straightforward and simple.
True, UI can be overwhelming. But when you get it, you are on track within few clicks and loading of course takes up to 2,3 mins...
Iracing can look much better than here even with medium pc. Maxed out its not very far from gt...
Nice vid btw
I could totally see once you have your system dialed in, it would become far more convenient and quick to navigate. Thank you much!
The basketball analogy nails it
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Gran turismo 7 is better for 90% of players and there are 10% who like full sims more. Full sims were always been niche and driving sims as well thats why fanatec filling bankruptcy logitech dd wheel without accessories and that’s why thrustmaster can’t even make a dd wheel for ps and selling their 10 years old t300 and their reskinned t-gt. We should be happy that we have like 3 game (acc,iracing,gt7) instead of fighting with each other
Amen, brother!
IRacing has thousands of leagues, or you can start one yourself.
Yep
Great video. Nicely done!
Thank you very much!
I just recently retired that exact same wheel last week. That I been using since 2011 for iRacing. For a Simagic Alpha DD
Nice!
I used to drive a lot of gran turismo games but once I tried iracing and learned a few things I've never looked back. GT7 now feels like a kids game in comparison. The UI is quite easy to figure out once you get the hang of it and the physics is not even comparable. Iracing is much more clean especially when you move up a few licenses. Bad driving is heavily penalized in iracing compared to gt, where it just goes "bump" and you continue like nothing ever happened. Because sony is horrible you have very limited choice in gear and setup - since starting iracing I've gotten triple monitors, an awesome direct drive wheel and great pedals with haptic feedback. Setup is fairly easy if you have a single monitor though. Also, races can have more than 50 cars at one time - crazy to think you did a great qualifying and then you're starting 21st of 55 cars! Graphics is a bit worse than gt7, but physics more than makes of for this - and if you have a good pc and crank the settings there is not much of a difference except too much shiny cars in gt7.
The only downsides is switching platform so a lot of the people I used to race with I haven't raced in some time. Finding new racing buddies in iracing a fairly easy though if you have facebook or discord. The other downside is of course the pricing, but having spent around $6K on my rig, the cost of iracing is mere pennies in comparison. If you already have a pc and sim racing equipment I highly encourage you to give it a go - if not then don't try it as you'll never know what you're missing out on and can have lots of fun on consoles.
Very fair points. I think at some point I'll give iRacing another go, but for now, the ease and quickness of GT7 on a PS5 is a better fit for me.
iRacing is like a golf country club to me… your expected to be perfect and proper all the time. They clearly forget that there’s a reason most of us are gamers, and not real life racers. I’ve tried iRacing and it brings a lot anxiety …I play to game and have fun so I stick with GT7 or other less serious sims like ACC or F124.
There seems to be a disproportionate level of elitism within the iRacing crowd. The comment section of this video illustrate the point.
Really do wish GT fixes their braking soon, it used to be better in the past
It's the one area that always sticks out as immersion breaking to me
I agree 100%.
Time to try ACC next :^)
Having done both, I would say iRacing is clearly superior BUT as an adult with limited time and just wanting to race AI for some kind of progression in single player and doing online races when I have the time, I feel like Gran Turismo will suit the majority of people better. I spent hundreds on iRacing, while I don't regret it, I also do not have the will to renew my subscription because I just don't have the time to commit to it.
For me, Gran Turismo works better and I have enjoyed it quite a lot. I would recommend buying a used PS5 and getting a copy of GT7 over getting into iRacing because it will get expensive very fast.
Good points. They are both amazing games. For some people, iRacing is a better fit. For others, it's GT7. I think it's awesome we have both, and more. Thanks for watching!
Great video thank you just wish they would bring out more racing sims on PS5 I do GT7 and ACC don’t think there is anything else worthwhile !!!
It's been a while since I started GT7, but don't you have to grind your way in SP to unlock Sport mode? Looking at it from a brand new player's perspective that is
Yes, from first time opening the game to unlocking Sport mode took me about 2 hours give or take. Good point.
PS: a big FIVE STAR for iRacing is..... when you meet in a race session real racers like Verstappen, Norris, Juncadella, Marciello, Barrichello, Kimi Antonelli! This is great when you are driving!
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How about the graphics? GT7 is a beautiful game on the eyes. Does iracing come close? Not sure if they have ray tracing for max graphics.
My gaming PC GPU was pretty weak so personally, that affected my iRacing graphics. But if you watch game capture footage on TH-cam of GT7 and iRacing, GT7 graphics look much better to me.
I find griping about graphics in a sim game petty. If your racing your eyes are focused 100ft in front of you. Now in a Arcade racer like NfS or Forza horizon nice graphics make sense.
Gran Turismo is literally an arcade game not a real sim. It is just a totally different product than iracing which doesnt make one better than the other. I would rather have a long term career in iracing than something that is run on a console. Glad you gave it a chance
I may go back to iRacing at some point, but GT7 is just a better fit for me right now. Thanks for watching and for your feedback.
Look at side by side laps of iracing and gt7, it's really not that different. The same rules apply to be fast. I think iracers just get so invested they have to downplay how good gt7 really is.
@Crook3d_GT it's really not at all. There is a reason professional drivers choose to play iracing in downtime to stay sharp.
Logitech needs to make a new ver of the DFGT ...
I am on PC I hated iracing for a year or so. I swore ACC was much better. Iracing is the best. You do not to get some paid content or your missing out. Also the equipment that can be used is so much better. I racing LFE settings is my choice over simhub. It unfortunately will cost thousands more to get a PC capable of running VR or triples
There was a lot I liked about iRacing and I could see trying it again someday. I'll have to check out LFEW. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I love them both. Tbh GT7 kinda my first GT game since ps2 days lol. Only cos its got VR i had a go. I just find console racing to be crap compared to pc. Im not a pc fan boy, use it for VR and racing. Only reason i own a pc. Gt7 been good to me, only thing i play on psvr2. Play it daily. Don't use my rig for ps5. Controller. Ps5 isn't compatible with asetek.
Nice! I'll give VR another go someday. PSVR2 was impressive technology, but my eyes and brain didn't love it.
@13guns87 Since you race in VR both on PC and PS5, would you mind sharing your VR experience? I'm on an old PC (i7-7700k GTX1080) + Logitech DFGT wheel + HTC Vive from 2017. I'm buying PS5 soon (mainly for the upcoming GTA6). I'm wondering if getting GT7 + PSVR2 will enhance my VR racing experience. My wheel is not supported, so I'll use the PS5 controller. I'm interested in racing vs AI mostly and had lots of fun in VR on PC playing PC2, Dirt Rally 2, AC with mods and iRacing. Do you think it's worth buying PSVR2 + GT7 or I'm not missing out much playing on my old PC untill I buy a new one?
Add to it, VR and GT7/PSVR2, takes gold again as far as plug n play goes.
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I tried PSVR2 for a few months and although the technology is amazing, I struggled a lot with focus. Between my vision and the display resolution, it was a challenge. I'm sure I'll give PSVR3 a shot when that eventually comes out, because the immersion in VR is fantastic.
VR in i-Racing is also fairly PNP. It detects most common headsets with ease. I prefer i-Racing in VR over monitors
No triple screen for PS and PS5 is too weak to render 90 fps which causes motion sickness in VR2. And always felt good playing with game settings. Someone’s tool is someone’s boredom…lol
I love the idea of VR, but my experience on PSVR2 wasn't great. The resolution was lower than I expected, and my eyesight (astigmatism) made it a challenge. Maybe someday.
Great summary video.
I'm guessing we're of a similar 'vintage' (though I started in '98 with GT1)?... I've used SimHub but wasn't totally happy with wheel lock and breaking-traction detection. (Actually bought a load of subwoofer/haptics, but they're currently upstairs in my loft - need to get around to fitting them.)
Just tend to use SimDashboard app on my phone for reading tyre temps.
May I ask what GT7 rating is? A+? (Your racing lines around Acropolis looked pretty tidy.)
Thanks for the comments! I absolutely love using Simhub haptics in both GT7 and iRacing. I appreciate the comments on my racing lines! I'm smack dab in the middle of DR A. I've crept up to about two thirds of the way to A+, but my skills seem to run out there.
@DigitalRelay Re: Lines
Yeah, looked smooth. Hitting all your marks. In that bracket of drivers like Tidgney, Kie25, Rory, WombleLeader, DeadEyeDelBoy, SuperGT, DigitGaming, Z28, GroveStreet, SparksTheory, Arkeys74, etc... to name but a few 👍
I myself only habituate the low A (bottom 10%) to upper B... Have to be very selective about 'farming' tracks & car combos otherwise.
Just a suggestion (I appreciate it won't appeal to everyone), but be great if sometime you could make a video about your rig set-up. How you've configured SimHub, etc 😉
Cheers
You could also give assettto corsa a go. I believe that after the initial setup it'll be worth it now that you can have it on pc.
That's a great idea! I just may do that.
If you can't make a usb keyboard and mouse work defo stick to a console.
Another super valuable comment 🙄
@@DigitalRelay perfect for a super valuable video 👌🙏
@@LindellHarry Fair point. I’ll head to your channel so you can show me how it’s done.
Great video! a have a question about simhub, i have just installed it recently but i don't have ABS data..... is this for you also the case? no ABS data? Want to connect a bass shaker on the brake pedal, when the ABS triggers i want to feel it...
Thank you! You are correct that in Simhub effects for GT7, ABS is not supported. I'm using Traction Loss and Wheels Slip. Give those a shot. Braking and feedback for braking in GT7 is more vague than it is in iRacing, but you should still be able to get it to work decently.
ok, thanks for the info, now I'm sure it's not just only me with no ABS 😅
GT looks better, has a better livery editor and photo mode and i still get to tune my car ,i still have braking markers and trail braking unlike true arcade games.And now i have VR2 its taken it to the next level.
I get what your saying that gt7 is a good mess around game and stuff, but if your looking at actually wanting to get as close to real life as possible iRacing wins. And also who cares about iRacing’s graphics they are good when you have a good pc, and it doesn’t make you quicker
The point really is everyone is coming from a different perspective. For some, it might be looking for the most realistic experience possible at any cost of time or money. For others, it might be the quickest, cheapest, or easiest way to start sim racing. I was trying to document and present my very specific experience and perspective thinking it might help out others coming from a similar perspective. It was never about which game was better. It was about which was a better fit for me at the time, and possibly others in a similar situation. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@DigitalRelay no problem man, I agree
I'm here just to hear the iRacing fanboys cry about your video.
Yeah, the comments went sideways quickly. Thanks for watching!
I think if I could use triple screen I would also be playing GT7
That would be dope!
Iracing it overbearing anf for the money it looks outdated its good for it is but gt7 is better to me simple it has it's issues but overall better quality in gt7
You're not paying for the graphics. That's the last thing you need in a racing sim.
Not comparable. And I’m a gt7 fan. Gt7 is more of a sim arcade racer. Iracing is a sim
I think you just compared them
@@DigitalRelay uh I think they stated they were in different genres, a bit like comparing dark souls to gran turismo. they both do their own thing
I agree with you that GT7 is more of a sim arcade and iRacing is a sim. I disagree with your opinion that they are "not comparable". The same as comparing GT7 to Dark Souls? C'mon man...
how was getting used to the cockpit view in iracing?
Great question. Since I only use bumper cam in GT7, I thought I would struggle with the adjustment, but because iRacing allows for greater adjustment, it was very easy to get used to. I think there are also so many other variables to adjust to like graphics, physic, different cars and different tracks that no single difference sticks out. That said, it was pretty easy to learn and adjust to and be able to be competitive in my rookie level within a few hours.
@@DigitalRelay thank you! I use bumper cam in GT as well. Can't play it in cockpit. Want to try iracing but was worried that the cockpit view would end up being a deal breaker. Great video btw.
80 bucks a month for PSN in Murica??
$80 a year
iRacing subscription model is such a scam. Gran Turismo graphic is way better and everything is just smooth and UI design is easy to use. GT7 is just over all better.
I'm a Mac user from 1990 and I played GT3 and GT4 for some years before go to a real simulator as iRacing. When I decide to go to the Pc for trying PC simulator I don't use the Mac but I build a pc. Mac are great for work but for gameplay I choose to use a pc. In my opinion, the great difference from GT3/GT4/etc and iRacing (AC-ACC and rFactor) is the simulation. GT3 is a game against really low cost simulator. And sorry, when I saw your video and the POV you use in GTx, that confirm you are a gamer and not a racer ;-)
Anytime you'd like to meet on track and find out, you let me know.
@@DigitalRelay with pleasure, my YT channel is FrancosTT www.youtube.com/@FRANCOSTT
When you're talking about cost there's a section clearly displayed that says 'go racing', but then at the 5:05 mark you're complaining about navigating the UI, while 'Go racing' is hidden from view.
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@@DigitalRelay If I made a video about gt7 that was riddled with inaccurate information, I would expect gt7 fans to call me out on it too. It works both ways.
Riddled with inaccurate information?? lol Go make a video, buddy.
@@DigitalRelay I mean, it is. But you clearly don't wanna hear it,.
Also, if you don't want iRacing people commenting, posting this in the iRacing section of GT planet wasn't a good start.
I'm all for iRacing people commenting if it contributes to the conversation. I think most of the iRacing crowd commenting on this video is being hyper critical and at times misrepresenting my points, or just being immature and disrespectful. I appreciate you being respectful with your comments, but I think you were reaching for something that wasn't there on the UI comment, and then you double-downed with "riddled with inaccurate information". I 100% stand by that iRacing's UI is clunkier, slower and more cumbersome than GT7 on a PS5. I didn't intentionally hide "Go Racing" in that footage. It was just b-roll to give an indication of what the UI looked like for people who have not seen it. I also wouldn't have characterized my comments as complaining. Anyway, thanks for the input, even if I disagree with you.
If your looking for a sim racer iracing is better gt is more like a game than a sim
yep
One is a Simulator and one isn't there is a differences if your looking for something that is real close to real LIFE then iRacing is your #1 choice but cost $ and not available on consoles. GT7 is a Arcade Simulator
I think what you're saying is... "One is a simulator, and one isn't. There are differences. If you're looking for something that is really close to real life, then iRacing is your #1 choice. But it costs more money and is not available on consoles. GT7 is an arcade simulator, also called sim-cade."
I dont do i-racing cause im not paying thousands. But acc i s perfect for me. After playing acc for so long i tried gt7 and it just felt fake. But playing the vr in gt7 was better then i thought. Gt7 not taking cockpit view seriously ruins it for me.
What's the difference in cockpit view between GT and ACC?
I totally agree about cockpit view. GT7 feels limited in a lot of ways compared to iRacing, but its simplicity is sometimes also its advantage.
I've not played ACC, but in GT7 you have very limited ability to adjust your field of view. In iRacing, you can pretty much adjust your position in the cockpit and field of view to exactly what you want.
@@BrianBaastrup in ACC you can change FOV and have the option to turn off the in-game steering wheel and hands, in GT7 you can't do these so it is annoying seeing your wheel and hand and also in-game wheel and hands. Atleast it's not an issue in GT7 in VR seeing double.
GT7 is like a kids arcade game compared to the real sim challenge of iRacing.
right
A sony amd Mac commercial...lol. Just because you are bad at PCs you should not mention that part. That just a probelm with the user. Not the hardware. The proof is, you used a mac as a pc. Geee... wonder why you had trouble...lmao. As far as the review. You confused your game review with lack of knowledge and poor hardware choices. The fact that you said your Video card was a 6 gig nvidia speaks volumes about that lack of knowledge (the trash can came with AMD GPUs). Example. What kind of car do you race. Well it's a 6 cylinder. You know. As for the games. I don't know enought to comment. That all seemed mostly legit.
This. Was. Not. A. Review. Funny how if you say anything even remotely deemed as critical of iRacing, you get condescending comments.
@@DigitalRelay he didnt mention iRacing
Yes, I mistakenly said Nvidia.
Right. There's no way to infer that's what he was saying. 🙄
Bro really! Get a dell g15 and add ram. For $1100
Geez ok
If money had been the only factor, I would have. Geez.
Iracing is a hardcore simulator, gt7 is just a simcad. So what the point to compare these two products for a way different audience.
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The point was to document my experience for others who might be in a similar situation where they've raced on a console and think iRacing might be worth trying. The point was definitely not to compare which game (it's not a game, it's a simulation) is better.
Iracing is better
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@@DigitalRelay :)
What an interesting contribution
Not even sure why you made this video. If you like GT7 that much stay there. I only got 7 minutes into the vid and all you did was complain about what you had to do to make iRacing work. And just so you don't think I'm an iRacing fan boy I left iRacing in December and havn't looked back. I found 2 other racing titles I like more.
That's fun. The description tells why I made this video.
Maybe for people who are interested in trying another racing game? It's a solid video
@@ryansclarke Thanks, brother!!
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