I think he was alongside and you should have give him more space. That being said, his aggressive style makes that he will find himself in these sort of incidents more often. I think he can afford it because he is so good that in 99 out of a 100 times he can still save the situation.
There was a big speed difference, Max came longside late, but it's multiclass and there was no need to run it that wide. It's just pressing the issue with a famous driver. Doubt he'd do the same with the other faster cars?
@@xiqy1959 yea I agree. This was very close to "racing incident" at absolute best. But ide say he had command of the corner as well. Had it been ANYONE other then MV1, we would be clowning on that driver for being so Reckless. We ♥️ Max though, and know his style om the track. So this is to be expected. Video host is right objectively about one thing. This situation comes up again, he will think twice. That I would argue is the point.
Kireth made it to the apex first and it’s his corner. Max’s front bumper wasnt even overlapping his rear bumper at the apex. So he has the right to the racing line which exits to the left side of the track.
I aM enTitLEd To tHAt SpAcE!! Meanwhile... FIA rules state you have to leave car width space when there is a car next to you... and max was next to him.
Why did you break on corner exit? At no point were you losing control, yet you break and let your car run wide. To me, it seems you are forcing the contact and are now trying to justify your actions.
@@k1csyeah while any car attempting the overtake has to do so safely, here the lead car purposely went wide after the apex and even braked for no reason…except to attempt to take Max out which worked lol
No he's braking to straighten the car to have room for max to be side by side otherwise there'd be zero chance. Ppl here so in love with max you can't see things straight
He's clearly using the brake to transfer weight to the front to try to make a little bit of room. Getting back on the gas is what makes him understeer and go wide
I think Max treats sim racing like a sandbox. He’s just trying to push the limit and see what he can get away with and learn from it. You just said something similar about 8min in.
Unfortunately you are in the wrong. You close the door on him once he was already there and you just can't do that. If you had closed it before he had his nose in place fine but he was overtaking on the outside. He left you all the space on the inside. Is it the best place to make an overtake no, but the reality is once the driver's already next to you. As long as he's not diving up the inside to try and beat you to an apex He has a right to be there.
Kireth the absolute savage taking Max out 😂. I usually give space when I’m the slower driver with slower lap times. I never want to cause an accident but one day I won’t be the one creating traffic.
Max has always had a reputation for been a let me past or we crash driver and thats something I've learnt to respect over the years. It's naughty but it's not dirty.
@@vd9570 no, it would be more unsporting than dirty. Annoying either way as it means you need to hold your ground and crash if it thats what ends up happening so they know you can't be bullied.
@@vd9570I don’t agree, I think if something is perfectly legal with the rules, it can’t be called dirty driving (when a move does break the rules then yes ofc it’s dirty). I wouldn’t call Senna a dirty driver either. Is it respectful smooth driving? No, but that’s a strategy someone can use. Other drivers could do the same thing and it would be allowed too.
Very cool to race against max! To me the fact you breaked coming out of the corner whilst following the line seems like you panicked as you realised max was driving right into that line, and it only made the contact worse. I'd say it was your fault, yes max is super aggressive on the line but I'm not sure why you kept on the line and then breaked given a much faster car was clearly on the line too
You had that corner, but at the same time, in a multi class race being overtaken by a faster class car, you could have opened that corner exit a bit less and just use his tow to gain back the time lost on making it a smooth overtake for both.
That incident was totally your fault haha. You could have avoided making a full on pit-maneuver. You obviously knew he was there as you hit the brakes on the exit of the corner. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what he’s doing. The objective is to always go forward, each time you deviate from the line you’re basically impeding your progression.
do you really think a top athlete that is expected to perform at peak efficiency every sinlge time would spend time smoking herbs. Cmon now. He's also traveling all the time, goodluck getting that with you. and to add to that, I would expect them to be tested for substances.
@@H4rd5tyl3You don't need to smoke weed 24/7 365 to be a fan of the fragrant branch of yore. If he had a Heineken logo on his car you wouldn't go "do you really think he drinks alcohol?" As long as you're not hitting a bong and hopping into the car you're all good. Same with alcohol. Stay sober during the season and you won't have any issues with using alcohol or weed. Weed is a far less debilitating drug than alcohol. Doesn't mess up your nerves or brain or anything, unlike alcohol with does do that.
6:46 "someone who is not driving dirtily" literally spoken at the same time as you move to the left onto his rear wing, causing the spin. You questioned whether you were totally in the wrong. The answer is yes 👍
I mean the crash is on you dude… he was alongside you and you turned into him, spinning you both out. It’s one thing to not just get out of the way but it’s another thing to turn into someone who is alongside you. There is absolutely no way your spotter wouldn’t have called out car left and you kept going left.
“People, just like in F1, go out of the way for him”. That is so untrue bro. It was just a vid you INDIRECTLY saying people just shouldn’t ‘give him space’. Where he actually outdrives people.
Great to see such a star driving with ordinary people 😅 Yes, definitely he is super confident on a virtual track and he is just unstable! 👏 Can't wait for F1 season to start soon!!
@@parkour267 I think you missed his sarcasm tinged point. ;) If you turn AI difficulty down to lowest, easy mode on an offline race .. Are you really racing the AI drivers or are they just dumb obstacles to avoid on your speed run?
M8 how he attempts to stick to his own racing line is a classic race craft technique, it was taught to me by my driving coach, and to him from his. You have no idea how much "chicken" is played in real life compared to a sim. Its a completely different animal, I have shifter kart titles and race sims.
I think a lot of people are blaming the car for his dominance, but he is clearly better than everyone else on the grid. I don't think Lewis or Alonso would consistently beat him in the same car.
It wasn’t the same car but about the same in performance in 2021. At least with lewis n max and they were even to the dot in the last race. I’ll like to think Alonso could be about the same as those two since in his early days he was beating goats like Schumacher and was a contender for titles in inferior cars which if u do any type of racing could be more impressive than the winner in the best car itself. Now I personally think that Max hasn’t reached his peak yet and if the teams keeps it together it could be very interesting to see where he ends up. Might be 🐐
His front axle is ahead when you hit him, you needed to move out of the way. You basically caused a collision, that crash was 100% your fault in my view.
People in these comments are actually cracked lol. Pause at 7:51. Kireth is just past the apex and Max is behind. That's really end of story, it's Kireth's line. But ok 7:52 Max is still behind imo, front wheel is at back bumper. And look at the Mustang two cars in front. That's where Kireth is trying to be, and is entitled to be. 7:53 is front wheel to back wheel, and it's too late. 7:54 Kireth brakes clearly after contact or at least when it's clear that Max isn't backing out. Those breaks are to try and avoid an early exit to the race. Could Kireth have backed out, knowing it was Max and what would probably happen? Sure, but that's what Max counts on, drivers not wanting to crash out. He does the same thing in F1. I've watched a lot of IMSA and WEC, if a driver does what Max does there, they get a penalty and the commentators berate them for a stupid move. FYI I love RB they are my favorite F1 team so this isn't Max hate. More people need to stand up to him on track so he doesn't make moves like these. In F1, someone will stand up eventually because you can't let a driver do this forever.
U knew what u we’re doing by breaking on the exit 😂 can’t judge too much I’m a former Maldonado esque driver 😅 it didn’t make sense for u to do that cuz he woulda had all the hard work to do cuz he would have been on the outside of the next corner. Love the content man, u deserve more subs tbh
About the incident, that was a pit maneuver 😂 I think the idea was good, but the overtake was already done, but in the end it seemed like a common racing incident, as the yellow car was still finding balance to the straight (maybe one of the reasons the physics engine sent the car into a spin too). If Max wasn't already ahead he might have been able to move into a little more into the grass and leave the yellow car space to control the car; that rejoin was simply attempted murder 😂
Max and Alonso have to do le mans for real. Would love to see it. I agree on the end part, Max is another level in F1, the guy lives and breathes racing, even in the off season.
@@NoChance-oz4ddWhen Toyota’s only competition was themselves. He did great, dont get me wrong and had the best night pace, but it was in times when Toyota won every race, because all other manufacturers left. The only question was, which of the three cars would win.
@@kevinprengemann7456 Wasn't really going into the finer details was just responding to the guys saying Alonso should do LeMans for real when he's already won it 2 times
This bend-or-crash mentality is not new to Max. Senna was notorious for it as well. Interesting video though. Always good to see a pro sim racing perspective on Max's performance.
You might know THEORETICALLY how to defeat Max, but you'll never compete with him over a full race distance. Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
Yeah. Punched in the mouth by his dad if you dare compete with him. In the same way that when in karting, the parent of another kid ended up with a cracked skull after being assaulted by Jos Verstappen, because he dare to compete with Max.
I think the first crash was pretty obviously kireth fault. Max was in that gap. Kireth let the door open. Max was also even almost ahead of kireth when kireth decided to keep his line nevertheless. which you can see at 6:02 . So Id rather say Kireth did not quite understand when the gap is yours and when it is not. Although it is pretty simple.. you cannot ram other cars.... but some people dont understand what that means obviously
You’re 100% in the right here. It’s the job of the overtaking car to overtake safely you don’t need to let him past. He knows you’re in a lower car class. He knows your car will likely drift all the way to to curb. Yet he still tries the outside. Being in the faster car class he could have easily gone on the inside.
Damn this could’ve just been a quick Reddit post. Brother made a 14 minute video about max because he pitted him on a turn he’d already lost, against a car that outclassed his. Welcome to IRacing.
Kireth is understeering people. He brakes to get more turn in to avoid Max. I think the game physics exaggerated the contact, pulling Kireths car to the left. Kireth also looks to be sliding more and maybe struggling with grip and/or heat. Max should have seen this with how much time was available, anticipating a wide exit.
"All the time you have to leave a space" fits for that situation. Also he was upper class car and not dive bombing to inside. Still he was driving aggressively but if knowing that he was there, I would have given him space.
Going back to your talking point about max’s driving style and how he does the sim racing. I love how you pointed it out because I have been trying to figure it out of what is his driving style. He wants his racing line so bad he will intimidate you to get out of the way. He wants free air and his line and that’s it. He will make you mess up because you know he’s all over you and if you don’t give him his space you will hit each other.
Let’s be honest though he was flying by you and you ran him off the road taking him out was kinda weak cause he was gonna pass you easily. I actually thought you were in different group cars. Either way Until more drivers take sim racing just as seriously as their professional f1 career. Max look to be a dominating force for years to come.
Little amount of people realized to date that for now, at this moment Max gained an advantage over rest of F1 field with his incredible determination of training in racing simulators, making many thousands of simulator racing laps.
Lots of max simps in here. if you want to lap a guy on the outside on mid corner to mid corner when you werent there on entry.... you sometimes get knocked out wide as the lapper is already committed. its a risk of that type of pass.
@@Lazlo-os1pu it’s that special breed of salt that English people do because they are too passive aggressive to actually say what they think so they have to give some back door insult
You’re turning on the exit up until 6:02 where max has all the curb, you’ve basically kept the outside. Yet for some reason @6:02 you begin to turn into the outside curb anyway where max is already leading at this point. You put maneuvered the guy bro😂😂😂
I lack such talents, so I am unsure of how I would react. However, as a senior semi-serious driver, I do not allow the actions of aggressive drivers to ruin my race. I choose to let it go because I do not want to end my simulation session feeling more frustrated than before.
Lewis lacks more than a bit as he was dumped straight into the best car, which strengthened his entitlement in turn that has allowed errors and bad patches to creep into every season. Max was utterly flawless in 2023 which he built up to driving non perfect cars. Remember in 2022 Ferrari took 50% of the poles and had to be caught or pressured into mistakes at times.
@@ausriusdidziokas6771 That's your vision.... Practice is key and they're limited to how much time they can spend on track with the tires and all. Training in Sim can give you the ability of better planning pit entries and exits, different ways to take overs and also to practice the mental warfare on other racers to know where to put pressure on them. It's great tool not required but nonetheless useful. Watch the Gran turismo movie that's a prime example.
Max intuitively follows the hottest part of the track with the most rubber and he manages his tire temps better than anyone else, so on the line he's always got the best mechanical grip of any other car. Requires IRL racing experience to see the rubber line, even though the game simulates it well
keep making these great vide's Max is one of the best sim racer but so is William Byron the guy who took over for Jeff Gordon's ride and won the 500 this year
You're driving in a different class and he was completely alongside you, you had absolutely no right to "that space". Instead of admitting fault and learning from it, you defend an obvious mistake publicly.
Great video, I've been trying to explain this to people for years, it's super hard to explain and I think you're the first TH-camr I can think of who's really cracked how verstappen works I personally realised it years ago now and have become prob the best overtaker I know, but I've never been able to articulate it like this, you did it very well, much respect Personally I think this really is something you either have or you don't, because it's such a psychological thing, it's kinda the same difference between a pro and amateur boxer in a way, the guy who controls the ring almost guarantees the win, but to teach a man how to exert this control is super difficult because you need to be in control to learn in, and most people just never get there or even understand what I'm saying here I persoanlly learnt how to do it through live music believe it or not, I'm a guitarist and I started playing live gigs when I was like 13, and I realised there are subtle psychological things that can control audiences and energies in the room Again, I still can't articulate what this actually means in practical tangible terms, but it's an energy thing that transcends racing
*The caveat though is you genuinely need to world class fast in the first place, otherwise the faster drivers will always get you in the end I'm prob like top 5% fast, I win a lot, but in the rare occasion I come across a 1% driver, sure I can rival him, a lot of times I still out race him and beat him psychologically, but if they are on my level psychologically, it's almost like the charade falls, the mask comes off, it's just a matter of time before their raw pace beats me I don't think I'll ever be 1% fast, mainly because of my vision, I kind got a wonky eye lol, it stops me being able to look far enough ahead, but for sure I can slap up 95% of people, no matter what race, no practice whatsoever, I always come at least p4, even starting from the back, the amount of last to first races I've won is crazy
Simracing is still a game where you can relax and dive into it getting as much pleasure with your friends as you want and also unleash all your desires.
6:49 nah bro im not even max fan but that was dirty from you lol. I like you are just looking straight. He was like half a car ahead and still you kept your "racing line". nice vid tho
I've been saying this for years now. I completely agree, that IS why he seems to be a more well-rounded driver then anyone else on track. He has more repetition than everyone on track, combined. Building muscle memory day in and day out, leave room to manage other things much easier. Max has cracked the code fs fs
When u crashed I believe he's already ahead of you if u were ahead of him you would of been in the front of the crash, yes u have ur right of way and yes you are entitled to ur space. BUT I think you may be in the wrong he's going so much faster because of his lines.
The overtaking car has the job of making the overtake safe and this is a multiclass race too. Though I don't understand why you tapped the brakes at the exit of the corner but its just a game, so it doesn't matter that much.
It looks like you knew he was there alongside you and you intentionally ran your car wide to try and prove a point. Taking out a faster driver overtaking you while he's besides you is illegal. Taking out Max intentionally then go on to slander his "driving style" is weird. He doesn't need sim-racing tips from you. He can go around Nurburgring in under 8-minutes lapping traffic, you are the traffic that he's lapping. - Max's only fault here is to think you'd show some class and won't spin him out like an idiot. So next time the world champion comes along in your mirrors to go around you, Traffic, YOU LET HIM THROUGH. 😂
You have to consider that you responded in a sim to Max passing your around the outside. In a real car you’d feel that presence much differently and you’re also much more likely to take efforts to avoid a crash. It’s easy to not yield on the sim where the stakes are incredibly low.
My understanding in multiclass is that the faster car should overtake outside. Max being in the faster class has a duty to overtake safety, but if hes taking the outside you should take the inside and let him by
"I want to win, not to look like an idiot". That just about sums up his greatness. Remember the time when his daddy simply left him alone in the car at a gas station, on their way home from a failed race, during his karting years? And wouldn't talk to him for days? That's all his mediocre daddy could teach him: fear of failure.
You were ahead of him so it’s his job to make sure he doesn’t crash into you and give way. He’s known to do that during his races in F1 hence the reason why most of the drivers don’t like him.
Not sure if you're in a GT3 machine or not, but, regardless, you had the racing line, and Max did not. He knows that he should have backed off and could have overtook you down the road. You were right by maintaining your line and you were there first in that position. The best way to take Max down is to not back down and force him to get off his line, just like you did! Very well done Kireth! Looking forward to the Chinese GP broadcast. Cheers brother!
I think you're right. I think next time Max Verstappen is about to execute a risky overtake he will think back to when Kireth ran him off the track on iRacing and perhaps back out. I'd expect a call from Christian Horner any day now giving his thanks. Maybe even Helmut 😯
He was a sim racer long before he was a car driver. The Verstappen family says he beat his dad's time in the Minardi F1 team's simulator...when he was 6. Somehow they didn't record that. He was a good mini karter by then, but still...how epic if true? And who else would we believe it of, if not Max?
Max most definitely watched Ayrton Senna's video clip where he said, "If you don't go for the gap, you are no longer a racing driver" Max must have thought to himself, "I will make my career out of the mentality" SuperMax Max Max Max SuperMax.
To be fair when Senna made that comment he was defending his stupid move on Prost that took them both out of the race. He had a lot of shunts where he was in no position to overtake. Max at Torro Rossa made a few dive bombs under braking that didn't pay off, he's now ended up flawless whilst Hamilton still makes rookie errors.
Don't let him bully you. Be the aggressor and make him back out. Play chicken with him. Im never gonna back out. I have the same attitude. Back out or we both crash. So we would probably crash.
Pretty much in racing no bit of the track is yours if ocupied by another car. You drove him of the side of the track. He got him self alongside you comming out of the corner, you should not be forcing a drive to break comming out of the corner. He had the speed and the track along side you and you drifted out. Racing is not about "blocking" the other drivers its about taking your line and holding it, he went for the wide line and got along side you, and at that point he is intitled to hold his line. You might have wanted the same line but he got their first and you just chose to ignore that. Thats not agressive driving, thats was just miss judged driving.
@@Kireth yep and all hamiltion follows are pretty unanimous on who is in the wrong when he has an incident. Follow a UK broadcast vs a Dutch broadcast and and they are both pretty unanimous about incidents. Just with the oposite of views. Unanimous does not = Correctness, espicaly in sport fans. ;)
You can tell his eyes are far ahead. I think his brain is also almost erasing other cars from his field of view. Sorta like a selective vision. If you drive in real life, this is a phenomenon that occurs with motorcycles. For whatever reason, your brain can almost dekete a motorcycle from your field of view. Motorcycle riders are taught to drive in a certain way to put themselves in your view. He's got a lot of mental strength to do that.
Ita very simple leave room especially if they are on the side of you. It means they were fast enough to get on your side so they are faster battle clean or break.
6:43 Max was NOT "already there". He should've braked or he should've risked to go on the grass. Instead of that he simply pushed the yellow car to the right so that he can stay on track and crashed. It's Max's fault! People expecting at this moment the yellow car should've braked and turned inside to lose his position and give advantage to Max are biased af! 7:36 shows who actually was "already there".
Dude you really want to be the king of driving in traffic. The game itself is totally different. You definitely get the fighter instincts like Max. The World of Outlaws Oval Dirt track Sprint Car game is insane 800 HP 410 cubic in motor. In the traffic non stop. You pass were ever there is a spot open highly fast pace and make it happen. I am transferring over from that game to GT 7 . It has helped tremendously in the traffic.
I think Max' dominating the line is possible but can lead to something dangerous if he applies it in real life. I believe we already had seen such style beginning to fracture if he is trying to overtake someone that knows his style and wont give away. That either leads to a crash or either of them needing to give place and/or leaving the track. We already saw some of it in his battles against Norris (Which also had race sim'ed with/against Max) I think it will either lead to lose of money for the team(s) to keep repairing the car(s), or driver(s) getting penalized by their action on track. He is for sure testing waters with all of this. I dont know if we can say he is Senna materiel, but he is for sure up there with how he is able to almost keep the same lap time again and again. His driving on real life track is amazing to watch, and we do often see him finding that 1% extra when he really needs to push. Like if he had a bad quali and needs to start lower on the grid
Am I the only one who can see verstappens car is visibly faster! Look how fast it is on the straight! The only reason he can drive the way he does is because he has blatantly got more power! I’m sure he’s got enough money to adjust the software so his cars are way faster than anything on the track! This is not just him I’m sure it’s common place among aliens!!!!
Kireth making a video just to show himself pit maneuvering Max 5 times in slow motion 💀
then he cuts to a clip of max laughing in a completely different situation (you can see it on the third monitor)
@@k1cs max was laughing at kireth. stop hating
@@karlsylvainit was different time cycles, kireth took max in the dark, max was laughing and on the screen you can see its day light
@@Sir-Lewis-P-Diddy-Hamilton bro they were on different continents
He means in-game of course@@vd9570
I think he was alongside and you should have give him more space. That being said, his aggressive style makes that he will find himself in these sort of incidents more often. I think he can afford it because he is so good that in 99 out of a 100 times he can still save the situation.
There was a big speed difference, Max came longside late, but it's multiclass and there was no need to run it that wide. It's just pressing the issue with a famous driver. Doubt he'd do the same with the other faster cars?
I think he won the position. Seems to me you were moving diagonally, like you were not expecting him to be there.
Huh? he had the turn all the way to the curb.
@@xiqy1959 yea I agree. This was very close to "racing incident" at absolute best. But ide say he had command of the corner as well. Had it been ANYONE other then MV1, we would be clowning on that driver for being so Reckless. We ♥️ Max though, and know his style om the track. So this is to be expected. Video host is right objectively about one thing. This situation comes up again, he will think twice. That I would argue is the point.
Kireth made it to the apex first and it’s his corner. Max’s front bumper wasnt even overlapping his rear bumper at the apex. So he has the right to the racing line which exits to the left side of the track.
@@ramentasty8 lets just ignore leaving space
Nah dude that was dirty if you knew he was there.
He knew, you can see he even turned into max ass
this is only defend against max... jus turn into him :D
Yes different class, saw him coming and still went wide out of the turn instead of lifting and stop turning left
I aM enTitLEd To tHAt SpAcE!! Meanwhile... FIA rules state you have to leave car width space when there is a car next to you... and max was next to him.
low key he had u on exit, not ur space tbh, he was already straight and front axel in front
nah max def didn't have enough room to pass on the left, stang was very obviously heading to block that lane
@@stevebanning902 yeah he didn't have enough space cuz kireth went wide trying to defend someone clearly going faster
@@permanentlybored195 lol so max is allowed to play aggressive but he isn't? Makes sense.
@@stevebanning902yeah i take it back didn't know they were in different catagories. figured max just had a much better exit
You're wrong there. 😂😂
where? the damn vid is 13 mins long
Where he put maneuvered max after max already had him beat
@@2MuchGT around 7 min
@@axelwikstrom2444 thanks, mate
Slower car have the priority on the racing line in multiclass racing so no its max fault
Why did you break on corner exit? At no point were you losing control, yet you break and let your car run wide. To me, it seems you are forcing the contact and are now trying to justify your actions.
he literally sees a faster car flying up behind him and just drives wide into him 😭
@@k1csyeah while any car attempting the overtake has to do so safely, here the lead car purposely went wide after the apex and even braked for no reason…except to attempt to take Max out which worked lol
No he's braking to straighten the car to have room for max to be side by side otherwise there'd be zero chance. Ppl here so in love with max you can't see things straight
He's clearly using the brake to transfer weight to the front to try to make a little bit of room. Getting back on the gas is what makes him understeer and go wide
@@Expendable1If you want to turn maximally, then don't brake nor accelerate. In that way 100% of the grip can be used for turning.
I think Max treats sim racing like a sandbox. He’s just trying to push the limit and see what he can get away with and learn from it. You just said something similar about 8min in.
Exactly the best racers are doing limit runs constantly
Yeaaa idk about that. Defend your line by all means but you can’t keep shutting the door once someone is side by side with you lmao
Unfortunately you are in the wrong. You close the door on him once he was already there and you just can't do that. If you had closed it before he had his nose in place fine but he was overtaking on the outside. He left you all the space on the inside. Is it the best place to make an overtake no, but the reality is once the driver's already next to you. As long as he's not diving up the inside to try and beat you to an apex He has a right to be there.
Ehhhhhh
Sorry bud but you are incorrect Max verstappen was not ahead exiting that part of the corner therefore he should have backed out
@@nhradog1 no
Kireth the absolute savage taking Max out 😂. I usually give space when I’m the slower driver with slower lap times. I never want to cause an accident but one day I won’t be the one creating traffic.
Max has always had a reputation for been a let me past or we crash driver and thats something I've learnt to respect over the years. It's naughty but it's not dirty.
thats literally the definition of dirty driving, naughty driving is doing the maneuver but saving yourself just before the crash
@@vd9570 no, it would be more unsporting than dirty.
Annoying either way as it means you need to hold your ground and crash if it thats what ends up happening so they know you can't be bullied.
Schumacher was the same but Max is more polished as he doesn't crack under pressure or lose the plot like MS did.
@@vd9570I don’t agree, I think if something is perfectly legal with the rules, it can’t be called dirty driving (when a move does break the rules then yes ofc it’s dirty). I wouldn’t call Senna a dirty driver either. Is it respectful smooth driving? No, but that’s a strategy someone can use. Other drivers could do the same thing and it would be allowed too.
Nope cus he stayz on his line. @@vd9570
Very cool to race against max!
To me the fact you breaked coming out of the corner whilst following the line seems like you panicked as you realised max was driving right into that line, and it only made the contact worse. I'd say it was your fault, yes max is super aggressive on the line but I'm not sure why you kept on the line and then breaked given a much faster car was clearly on the line too
If he was on the limit, he couldn't avoid his car going all the way to the curb other way than slowing down. It was too late unfortunately
You had that corner, but at the same time, in a multi class race being overtaken by a faster class car, you could have opened that corner exit a bit less and just use his tow to gain back the time lost on making it a smooth overtake for both.
The uploader has zero racing iq
he didnt had had that corner
That incident was totally your fault haha. You could have avoided making a full on pit-maneuver. You obviously knew he was there as you hit the brakes on the exit of the corner. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what he’s doing. The objective is to always go forward, each time you deviate from the line you’re basically impeding your progression.
Does max smoke trees? A green car and Number 420 is a bit suspect 😂
Well he is Dutch so...
I also wonder if he does or not
do you really think a top athlete that is expected to perform at peak efficiency every sinlge time would spend time smoking herbs. Cmon now. He's also traveling all the time, goodluck getting that with you. and to add to that, I would expect them to be tested for substances.
@@H4rd5tyl3 chill man. It's just a joke 😂
@@H4rd5tyl3You don't need to smoke weed 24/7 365 to be a fan of the fragrant branch of yore. If he had a Heineken logo on his car you wouldn't go "do you really think he drinks alcohol?"
As long as you're not hitting a bong and hopping into the car you're all good. Same with alcohol. Stay sober during the season and you won't have any issues with using alcohol or weed.
Weed is a far less debilitating drug than alcohol. Doesn't mess up your nerves or brain or anything, unlike alcohol with does do that.
6:46 "someone who is not driving dirtily" literally spoken at the same time as you move to the left onto his rear wing, causing the spin. You questioned whether you were totally in the wrong. The answer is yes 👍
I mean the crash is on you dude… he was alongside you and you turned into him, spinning you both out. It’s one thing to not just get out of the way but it’s another thing to turn into someone who is alongside you. There is absolutely no way your spotter wouldn’t have called out car left and you kept going left.
We're in completely different car classes, my car is much more understeery 👍
@@Kireth So you should have that knowledge in mind when you're on corner exit...Hence why it was your fault.
“People, just like in F1, go out of the way for him”. That is so untrue bro. It was just a vid you INDIRECTLY saying people just shouldn’t ‘give him space’. Where he actually outdrives people.
Great to see such a star driving with ordinary people 😅 Yes, definitely he is super confident on a virtual track and he is just unstable! 👏 Can't wait for F1 season to start soon!!
Lets be clear, u never raced Max... you were just in the same race thats it..
I think u contradicted yourself
@@parkour267 I think you missed his sarcasm tinged point. ;) If you turn AI difficulty down to lowest, easy mode on an offline race .. Are you really racing the AI drivers or are they just dumb obstacles to avoid on your speed run?
M8 how he attempts to stick to his own racing line is a classic race craft technique, it was taught to me by my driving coach, and to him from his. You have no idea how much "chicken" is played in real life compared to a sim. Its a completely different animal, I have shifter kart titles and race sims.
I think a lot of people are blaming the car for his dominance, but he is clearly better than everyone else on the grid. I don't think Lewis or Alonso would consistently beat him in the same car.
It wasn’t the same car but about the same in performance in 2021. At least with lewis n max and they were even to the dot in the last race. I’ll like to think Alonso could be about the same as those two since in his early days he was beating goats like Schumacher and was a contender for titles in inferior cars which if u do any type of racing could be more impressive than the winner in the best car itself. Now I personally think that Max hasn’t reached his peak yet and if the teams keeps it together it could be very interesting to see where he ends up. Might be 🐐
@@alejandrobarreto6193 the only reason 2021 was even close was because Hamilton wrecked Verstappen at Silverstone and went on to win the race.
@@VulgrDisplay Bottas bowling as well. Plus many times that Masi ruled illegitimately in Lewis' favor (which of course all the britbongs forget about)
His front axle is ahead when you hit him, you needed to move out of the way. You basically caused a collision, that crash was 100% your fault in my view.
People in these comments are actually cracked lol. Pause at 7:51. Kireth is just past the apex and Max is behind. That's really end of story, it's Kireth's line. But ok 7:52 Max is still behind imo, front wheel is at back bumper. And look at the Mustang two cars in front. That's where Kireth is trying to be, and is entitled to be. 7:53 is front wheel to back wheel, and it's too late. 7:54 Kireth brakes clearly after contact or at least when it's clear that Max isn't backing out. Those breaks are to try and avoid an early exit to the race. Could Kireth have backed out, knowing it was Max and what would probably happen? Sure, but that's what Max counts on, drivers not wanting to crash out. He does the same thing in F1. I've watched a lot of IMSA and WEC, if a driver does what Max does there, they get a penalty and the commentators berate them for a stupid move. FYI I love RB they are my favorite F1 team so this isn't Max hate. More people need to stand up to him on track so he doesn't make moves like these. In F1, someone will stand up eventually because you can't let a driver do this forever.
Verstappen's precision and use of the full width of the track is amazing
U knew what u we’re doing by breaking on the exit 😂 can’t judge too much I’m a former Maldonado esque driver 😅 it didn’t make sense for u to do that cuz he woulda had all the hard work to do cuz he would have been on the outside of the next corner. Love the content man, u deserve more subs tbh
About the incident, that was a pit maneuver 😂 I think the idea was good, but the overtake was already done, but in the end it seemed like a common racing incident, as the yellow car was still finding balance to the straight (maybe one of the reasons the physics engine sent the car into a spin too). If Max wasn't already ahead he might have been able to move into a little more into the grass and leave the yellow car space to control the car; that rejoin was simply attempted murder 😂
Max and Alonso have to do le mans for real. Would love to see it. I agree on the end part, Max is another level in F1, the guy lives and breathes racing, even in the off season.
??? Alonso has won Le mans 2 times
What if I blow your mind with Alonso
i hope it with de Vries ass well.....this guy is a mad driver on Le Mans.
@@NoChance-oz4ddWhen Toyota’s only competition was themselves. He did great, dont get me wrong and had the best night pace, but it was in times when Toyota won every race, because all other manufacturers left. The only question was, which of the three cars would win.
@@kevinprengemann7456 Wasn't really going into the finer details was just responding to the guys saying Alonso should do LeMans for real when he's already won it 2 times
This bend-or-crash mentality is not new to Max. Senna was notorious for it as well. Interesting video though. Always good to see a pro sim racing perspective on Max's performance.
I saw a tweet after the Japanese GP that said: "Max takes the least amount of time to pass the lapped traffic". Now, I can understand why...
It's just a game to him 🙌🙌🙌
You might know THEORETICALLY how to defeat Max, but you'll never compete with him over a full race distance. Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
Yeah. Punched in the mouth by his dad if you dare compete with him. In the same way that when in karting, the parent of another kid ended up with a cracked skull after being assaulted by Jos Verstappen, because he dare to compete with Max.
What a great statement captain obvious🤣
I think the first crash was pretty obviously kireth fault. Max was in that gap. Kireth let the door open. Max was also even almost ahead of kireth when kireth decided to keep his line nevertheless. which you can see at 6:02 . So Id rather say Kireth did not quite understand when the gap is yours and when it is not. Although it is pretty simple.. you cannot ram other cars.... but some people dont understand what that means obviously
You’re 100% in the right here. It’s the job of the overtaking car to overtake safely you don’t need to let him past. He knows you’re in a lower car class. He knows your car will likely drift all the way to to curb. Yet he still tries the outside. Being in the faster car class he could have easily gone on the inside.
5:05 "Look at the gap and space" *Max shunting the poor miata off*
Damn this could’ve just been a quick Reddit post. Brother made a 14 minute video about max because he pitted him on a turn he’d already lost, against a car that outclassed his. Welcome to IRacing.
Kireth is understeering people. He brakes to get more turn in to avoid Max. I think the game physics exaggerated the contact, pulling Kireths car to the left. Kireth also looks to be sliding more and maybe struggling with grip and/or heat. Max should have seen this with how much time was available, anticipating a wide exit.
Yeah, you wrecked him. He had the outside. Looked like you tried to squeeze out too late and hooked him.
In the thumbnail it looks like Max also regularly drives Gran Turismo and EA's F1 but I think he only drives iRacing, or have I missed something?
I think he has participated in some rFactor events, but yeah simulators only.
Clickbait
He has played the EA F1 games before, in the Player 0.0 competitions mainly.
"All the time you have to leave a space" fits for that situation. Also he was upper class car and not dive bombing to inside. Still he was driving aggressively but if knowing that he was there, I would have given him space.
You fk'd up m8.
Your wrong about Abu Dhabi 2021, Hamilton did well to hold max off on much older tyres for a few corners.
Going back to your talking point about max’s driving style and how he does the sim racing. I love how you pointed it out because I have been trying to figure it out of what is his driving style. He wants his racing line so bad he will intimidate you to get out of the way. He wants free air and his line and that’s it. He will make you mess up because you know he’s all over you and if you don’t give him his space you will hit each other.
I love seeing f1 drivers sim racing analysed, I'd watch a whole channel of it. Presumably it's all publically accessible when it's done on iracing?
If you are in the session with them you can save the file.
It's not public unless you then upload it somewhere
Let’s be honest though he was flying by you and you ran him off the road taking him out was kinda weak cause he was gonna pass you easily. I actually thought you were in different group cars.
Either way
Until more drivers take sim racing just as seriously as their professional f1 career. Max look to be a dominating force for years to come.
A salty Lewis fan desperate to take Max out in a videogame 🤣
Little amount of people realized to date that for now, at this moment Max gained an advantage over rest of F1 field with his incredible determination of training in racing simulators, making many thousands of simulator racing laps.
Lots of max simps in here. if you want to lap a guy on the outside on mid corner to mid corner when you werent there on entry.... you sometimes get knocked out wide as the lapper is already committed. its a risk of that type of pass.
Careful. You might have people with racing and motorsports names come after you. All hail Max. All hail redbull
Go beat Max in a straight fight or stfu
“Max finds it very funny” - shows a clip of him laughing at a different track at a different time of day
I noticed that, very pathetic edit
@@Males_Should_Be_Abusedthis whole video is majorly salty
@@Lazlo-os1pu it’s that special breed of salt that English people do because they are too passive aggressive to actually say what they think so they have to give some back door insult
You’re turning on the exit up until 6:02 where max has all the curb, you’ve basically kept the outside. Yet for some reason @6:02 you begin to turn into the outside curb anyway where max is already leading at this point. You put maneuvered the guy bro😂😂😂
I lack such talents, so I am unsure of how I would react. However, as a senior semi-serious driver, I do not allow the actions of aggressive drivers to ruin my race. I choose to let it go because I do not want to end my simulation session feeling more frustrated than before.
Very smart 👍👍
Max was already well alongside you, you just ran him wide. You gotta have more awareness
Bro thinks the slower mustang has as much downforce
@@Kireth bro thinks sideswiping a better driver is justified
Totally agreed with you. I always said this is the reason why Lewis is lacking a little bit.
Lewis lacks more than a bit as he was dumped straight into the best car, which strengthened his entitlement in turn that has allowed errors and bad patches to creep into every season. Max was utterly flawless in 2023 which he built up to driving non perfect cars. Remember in 2022 Ferrari took 50% of the poles and had to be caught or pressured into mistakes at times.
He hasn’t allowed bad error Tom creep in every season. Max made a few mistakes in 2023, just not many
Hamilton never lacked pace because he didn’t do sim racing, he didn’t need, just like Alonso. They good enough they that they don’t need to do that
@@ausriusdidziokas6771 That's your vision.... Practice is key and they're limited to how much time they can spend on track with the tires and all. Training in Sim can give you the ability of better planning pit entries and exits, different ways to take overs and also to practice the mental warfare on other racers to know where to put pressure on them. It's great tool not required but nonetheless useful. Watch the Gran turismo movie that's a prime example.
Max intuitively follows the hottest part of the track with the most rubber and he manages his tire temps better than anyone else, so on the line he's always got the best mechanical grip of any other car. Requires IRL racing experience to see the rubber line, even though the game simulates it well
True true
keep making these great vide's Max is one of the best sim racer but so is William Byron the guy who took over for Jeff Gordon's ride and won the 500 this year
You're driving in a different class and he was completely alongside you, you had absolutely no right to "that space".
Instead of admitting fault and learning from it, you defend an obvious mistake publicly.
Stick to Forza if you don't understand multi class and overtaking rules.
i can`t believe you crashed max verstappen!! you are crazy kireth lol!!!
Exactly how he raced Lewis at Hungary 😮
How quickly MV1 had his car in R, when you guys got tangled up. He was back in the race quite quickly.
Great video, I've been trying to explain this to people for years, it's super hard to explain and I think you're the first TH-camr I can think of who's really cracked how verstappen works
I personally realised it years ago now and have become prob the best overtaker I know, but I've never been able to articulate it like this, you did it very well, much respect
Personally I think this really is something you either have or you don't, because it's such a psychological thing, it's kinda the same difference between a pro and amateur boxer in a way, the guy who controls the ring almost guarantees the win, but to teach a man how to exert this control is super difficult because you need to be in control to learn in, and most people just never get there or even understand what I'm saying here
I persoanlly learnt how to do it through live music believe it or not, I'm a guitarist and I started playing live gigs when I was like 13, and I realised there are subtle psychological things that can control audiences and energies in the room
Again, I still can't articulate what this actually means in practical tangible terms, but it's an energy thing that transcends racing
*The caveat though is you genuinely need to world class fast in the first place, otherwise the faster drivers will always get you in the end
I'm prob like top 5% fast, I win a lot, but in the rare occasion I come across a 1% driver, sure I can rival him, a lot of times I still out race him and beat him psychologically, but if they are on my level psychologically, it's almost like the charade falls, the mask comes off, it's just a matter of time before their raw pace beats me
I don't think I'll ever be 1% fast, mainly because of my vision, I kind got a wonky eye lol, it stops me being able to look far enough ahead, but for sure I can slap up 95% of people, no matter what race, no practice whatsoever, I always come at least p4, even starting from the back, the amount of last to first races I've won is crazy
Simracing is still a game where you can relax and dive into it getting as much pleasure with your friends as you want and also unleash all your desires.
6:49 nah bro im not even max fan but that was dirty from you lol. I like you are just looking straight. He was like half a car ahead and still you kept your "racing line". nice vid tho
bro you just screwed him there, what tf how can you defend yourself and say it wasn't dirty? lmfao
You were the one, in the wrong here
Yep, you got it spot on
Yes bro 🙌🙌🙌
I've been saying this for years now. I completely agree, that IS why he seems to be a more well-rounded driver then anyone else on track. He has more repetition than everyone on track, combined. Building muscle memory day in and day out, leave room to manage other things much easier. Max has cracked the code fs fs
When u crashed I believe he's already ahead of you if u were ahead of him you would of been in the front of the crash, yes u have ur right of way and yes you are entitled to ur space. BUT I think you may be in the wrong he's going so much faster because of his lines.
The overtaking car has the job of making the overtake safe and this is a multiclass race too. Though I don't understand why you tapped the brakes at the exit of the corner but its just a game, so it doesn't matter that much.
Max didn't even mean to overtake Lewis there. He said he couldn't feel his foot on the brake pedal so ended up sending it up the inside.
It looks like you knew he was there alongside you and you intentionally ran your car wide to try and prove a point. Taking out a faster driver overtaking you while he's besides you is illegal. Taking out Max intentionally then go on to slander his "driving style" is weird. He doesn't need sim-racing tips from you. He can go around Nurburgring in under 8-minutes lapping traffic, you are the traffic that he's lapping.
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Max's only fault here is to think you'd show some class and won't spin him out like an idiot. So next time the world champion comes along in your mirrors to go around you, Traffic, YOU LET HIM THROUGH. 😂
Sounds like you're describing a skill issue for Max, harsh!
@@Kireth yeah go turn into him again and try to prove to anyone that he's the one lacking skills
You have to consider that you responded in a sim to Max passing your around the outside. In a real car you’d feel that presence much differently and you’re also much more likely to take efforts to avoid a crash. It’s easy to not yield on the sim where the stakes are incredibly low.
This just in, Kireth to sign with Mercedes
I might go for the Ferrari seat now
@@Kireth but can you bolt a Ferrari seat onto a Mercedes?..
My understanding in multiclass is that the faster car should overtake outside. Max being in the faster class has a duty to overtake safety, but if hes taking the outside you should take the inside and let him by
"I want to win, not to look like an idiot". That just about sums up his greatness. Remember the time when his daddy simply left him alone in the car at a gas station, on their way home from a failed race, during his karting years? And wouldn't talk to him for days? That's all his mediocre daddy could teach him: fear of failure.
his car engine is like about 250hp greater than his opponents :D
exactly what happened with norris
And Hamilton 😂😂
Textbook Pitt maneuver bro👍
i bet you my house that max could switch cars with hamilton and still win in china even tho it has been 3 years. he is just better. its racing.
watching this after his incident with Noris proves how much he loves his race-line
You were ahead of him so it’s his job to make sure he doesn’t crash into you and give way. He’s known to do that during his races in F1 hence the reason why most of the drivers don’t like him.
Not sure if you're in a GT3 machine or not, but, regardless, you had the racing line, and Max did not. He knows that he should have backed off and could have overtook you down the road. You were right by maintaining your line and you were there first in that position. The best way to take Max down is to not back down and force him to get off his line, just like you did! Very well done Kireth! Looking forward to the Chinese GP broadcast. Cheers brother!
This is a brilliant video. Really enjoyed it
I think you're right. I think next time Max Verstappen is about to execute a risky overtake he will think back to when Kireth ran him off the track on iRacing and perhaps back out. I'd expect a call from Christian Horner any day now giving his thanks. Maybe even Helmut 😯
He was a sim racer long before he was a car driver. The Verstappen family says he beat his dad's time in the Minardi F1 team's simulator...when he was 6. Somehow they didn't record that. He was a good mini karter by then, but still...how epic if true? And who else would we believe it of, if not Max?
True!
Max most definitely watched Ayrton Senna's video clip where he said, "If you don't go for the gap, you are no longer a racing driver"
Max must have thought to himself, "I will make my career out of the mentality"
SuperMax Max Max Max SuperMax.
To be fair when Senna made that comment he was defending his stupid move on Prost that took them both out of the race. He had a lot of shunts where he was in no position to overtake. Max at Torro Rossa made a few dive bombs under braking that didn't pay off, he's now ended up flawless whilst Hamilton still makes rookie errors.
Don't let him bully you. Be the aggressor and make him back out. Play chicken with him. Im never gonna back out. I have the same attitude. Back out or we both crash. So we would probably crash.
Get the tow truck on standby for all three of us 🍻
You'll never be in the same galaxy as him. He's qualifying on pole while you're struggling to put a fucking lap together.
facts. listen to these kids @@quigglyz 🤣
Pretty much in racing no bit of the track is yours if ocupied by another car. You drove him of the side of the track. He got him self alongside you comming out of the corner, you should not be forcing a drive to break comming out of the corner. He had the speed and the track along side you and you drifted out. Racing is not about "blocking" the other drivers its about taking your line and holding it, he went for the wide line and got along side you, and at that point he is intitled to hold his line. You might have wanted the same line but he got their first and you just chose to ignore that. Thats not agressive driving, thats was just miss judged driving.
Interesting take 😅
@@Kireth seems to be the majority view looking at the comments mate ;)
Bro the livestream reaction was pretty unanimous 👀
@@Kireth yep and all hamiltion follows are pretty unanimous on who is in the wrong when he has an incident. Follow a UK broadcast vs a Dutch broadcast and and they are both pretty unanimous about incidents. Just with the oposite of views. Unanimous does not = Correctness, espicaly in sport fans. ;)
haha as if you think you are in any position to tell Max how to drive. i love tuning into your channel to hear your delusions of grandeur.
kireth made sense here
You can tell his eyes are far ahead. I think his brain is also almost erasing other cars from his field of view. Sorta like a selective vision.
If you drive in real life, this is a phenomenon that occurs with motorcycles. For whatever reason, your brain can almost dekete a motorcycle from your field of view. Motorcycle riders are taught to drive in a certain way to put themselves in your view.
He's got a lot of mental strength to do that.
Good point
Ita very simple leave room especially if they are on the side of you. It means they were fast enough to get on your side so they are faster battle clean or break.
saying you are not driving dirty while bumping into him is crazy
Do you shift down before turn or after turn?
Max was absolutely right there.. You knew he was there and and he's way more faster!
It’s not that he’s a $50 million dollar a year world famous F1 driver that people give him more respect on the track than the average person?
6:43 Max was NOT "already there". He should've braked or he should've risked to go on the grass. Instead of that he simply pushed the yellow car to the right so that he can stay on track and crashed. It's Max's fault!
People expecting at this moment the yellow car should've braked and turned inside to lose his position and give advantage to Max are biased af! 7:36 shows who actually was "already there".
Dude you really want to be the king of driving in traffic. The game itself is totally different. You definitely get the fighter instincts like Max. The World of Outlaws Oval Dirt track Sprint Car game is insane 800 HP 410 cubic in motor. In the traffic non stop. You pass were ever there is a spot open highly fast pace and make it happen. I am transferring over from that game to GT 7 . It has helped tremendously in the traffic.
I think Max' dominating the line is possible but can lead to something dangerous if he applies it in real life. I believe we already had seen such style beginning to fracture if he is trying to overtake someone that knows his style and wont give away. That either leads to a crash or either of them needing to give place and/or leaving the track. We already saw some of it in his battles against Norris (Which also had race sim'ed with/against Max)
I think it will either lead to lose of money for the team(s) to keep repairing the car(s), or driver(s) getting penalized by their action on track. He is for sure testing waters with all of this. I dont know if we can say he is Senna materiel, but he is for sure up there with how he is able to almost keep the same lap time again and again. His driving on real life track is amazing to watch, and we do often see him finding that 1% extra when he really needs to push. Like if he had a bad quali and needs to start lower on the grid
I am still chuckling about his weed livery and 420 car number. LOL
You choose the right video to describe Max, a faster car can help
this guy got it spot on especially after hungary
thanks bro!
Am I the only one who can see verstappens car is visibly faster! Look how fast it is on the straight! The only reason he can drive the way he does is because he has blatantly got more power! I’m sure he’s got enough money to adjust the software so his cars are way faster than anything on the track! This is not just him I’m sure it’s common place among aliens!!!!
I risk looking like I’m missing an obvious joke here, but I’ll take my chances and point out that it’s a multi-class race.