I would be the same way if that had happened to me. But, my mom was a lioness! She had a friend over one night . I was a pre teen. He was drunk. When he lost sight of my mom he went looking for her. He opened my bedroom door and was calling for her. I woke up screaming. Before I knew it my mom was there. She hit him so hard she knocked him down. I felt so safe!
That is where your power lies and yes, you CAN and SHOULD take it all back on your own terms. You do not have to explain or condone or tolerate any shitty behaviour ever after,
Same here mums are so ignorant and don’t give a damn if it happens as they don’t want their world to be ruined my mum can die old and lonely as I have never had an apology just pretends she didn’t know I don’t speak after my stepdad died and she didn’t believe I know she knew
@@jewelwheeler1 idk if this has been said. What happened to her birthday money this year. He stole it last year. Could have been a rage thing where she made fun of him. “You better not steal my money again this year you creep”
She is trying to distance herself psychologically from the whole situation...she's not even said her daughter's name! I think the psychologists have a name for it but it won't come to me...I'm hindsight - she should have been born barren! I can't have children and things like this thing makes me so angry!
I truly believe that Sterns manipulated this child with gifts and pocket change and told her it would all go away if her mother found out about what was going on between them With that said I believe the mother suspected something was going on but as long as they denied it, the mother managed to believe there was nothing going on I also believe that up until Madeline turned 13 Sterns probably did pictures and touched her sexually Upon turning 13 he looked at her as a woman and wanted to have intercourse. At that time Madeline most likely refused and threatened to tell her Mother Then he knew he was about to be exposed he decided to kill her I do believe the mother should be prosecuted for not protecting her daughter when she needed protection from him
@@Anna-h3t2hYes, you don't know anyone for a really long time. So what you DON'T do is allow them easy access to your child! I don't let my DOG stay overnight with just anyone. Because I am 100% responsible for her well-being and safety. She depends on me for everything. And this woman doesn't feel any of that towards her own child.
I have an ex-boyfriend that has this exact MO and that mom has no sympathy for her children. These people genuinely are incredibly selfish and see their children as something that is in their way of their happiness. She did not care that that happened to that girl. She deserves to be in prison alongside him.
Exactly. That tells me she knew what was going on. I must be unstable because I would be a nervous wreck just talking about it. One minute I would be crying the next I’d be in a complete rage.
Exactly. There are many more Maddies. We’ve got to get our crap together & start actually protecting all of our kids. We’ve got to figure out what we can do at schools, in communities to make kids feel safe enough to tell. They’re not ever going to tell the first time they’re being asked about it. So we need to figure out how to ask them how they’re doing without making them feel uncomfortable with questions about abuse. We dont want to go the other direction & make kids think they have to say there was abuse even if there was not to make people stop grilling them about it. I think we probably need yearly school presentations where cops, therapists, teachers go over grooming, etc. so the kids feel they can step up & tell.
@@spitfirestake54-- I will never understand why this woman didn't become completely irate and shocked to the core when she was shown proof of what Sterns had been doing to Maddie for years. And all that horror happened because she, Jennifer Soto, allowed it. Living in La-la land is no excuse; and child endangerment should be the least of the charges that she deserves.
Yes Jenn is a pos but don't forget what kristel Candelario did to her little girl. She left her baby for 10 days in a playpen by herself while she went on a vacation with her boyfriend. The poor baby was eating her own feces because she was starving. I would say the mother is a monster and I'm glad she got life in prison..
A mother saying "dumping the body" "stashing the body" when speaking about her own child is so horrific. It truly shows how uncaring and detached this woman is to her daughter. I think she WANTED her daughter dead.
@michelleclarke8500 She is so detached from Maddie very heart breaking .Jenn is more concerned about Stephan than her own precious daughter it is just heart breaking 💔 😢
Huh. They are frustrated because they're throwing everything at her and she keeps saying she doesn't know anything while in anguish and crying. They got nothing on her which is why she wasn't charged with anything.
That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking. At first I was thinking he won’t get anything from her with this approach. But F it. We dont need her. She needed this BAD!!!
Agreed! He did call her out but he was still very calm and composed. Obviously he’s a professional but I don’t know how he did that when everyone else would probably want to scream at her.
He wasn’t harsh enough in my opinion I am literally sitting here holding my granddaughter super close in disbelief with tears welling in my eyes! How could you!! You are her mother!! She is so disgusting to say the least!
According to me, when she saw the porn photo, she felt Stephan needed a lawyer because she was afraid the cat was out of the bag and she would get implicated. She never expressed shock, emotions or rage at Stephen because he was her partner. They were both making money this way. Stephan has not yet opened his mouth about her knowing from the beginning, because if he does that, he cannot plead 'Not guilty'.
Sadly theres tons of parents just like her all around the globe and even worse than them. Really, being a child under these live's circumstances must be a nightmare.
I'm 80 years old now and the mother of four beautiful adults as I write this. As I sit here and watch this "person" (if she's human at all)....a sense of rage rises within me to see that she herself is not a hysterical mess, literally - and not lying in a hospital bed under heavy sedation having learned what has happened to her 14 year old daughter! She is devoid of any human love, caring, concern, empathy, or ethical/moral role modeling for her now dead 14 year old child. Nobody has to remind me that we are seeing this exact kind of scenario increasingly within in our society every single day. To me....the "cause" has more to do with what is lacking in the HEARTS, not the "minds" of human beings in 2024.
In this world, a relationship like this between a mother and daughter is the kind of betrayal that leaves me with this same kind of rage. She continues to betray her to this day. There are mothers in prison right now over drugs or w/e who would never betray their daughters this way & this one has immunity.
Beautifully stated. Everyone is not human. There is the concept of the bio man. No soul just a machine. We are surrounded by them. Gurdjieff said if we could see the true nature of man we would die of fright. Watching this and many others leaves no other explanation.
Both sets of grandparents should be charged as well. They knew and did nothing. They just told Stephan to stop sleeping with Maddie. But NEVER did they remove the child from this dangerous and abusive environment. They all knew. They admitted they knew on TV! BUT THEY DIDN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!
People need to understand that there are thousands of women like Jen Soto and we all need to listen to children and make them feel safe to tell if someone is hurting them. 😢
Even if children are made to feel safe to tell, the same silences them, so not only do we listen as parents, we have to look for signs, do research, be alert, and observe those around them and where they go etc. It is up to us. And not just parents, those in the community also.
Yes and we also need to stop making women into “saints” and “victims” in these cases. They turn a blind eye, something terrible happens to their child, they cry, wail about what a good mother they are and people give them sooooooo much sympathy instead of holding them accountable for terrible decisions.
I completely agree with all three of you. The Detective did an amazing job! He wasn’t even entertaining her with her lies! She KNEW and definitely thought that Stephen killed Maddie she slipped up around the 35 minute mark where she said “I didn’t want to believe that he murdered her or I mean that he could have known what happened to her” She needs to held accountable! She was more worried and concerned about Stephen getting a Lawyer after seeing a picture her own daughter being SA’d by him by the police! She knew everything in my opinion! Poor sweet Maddie ❤ she never had any good male figure stand up for her or protect her until these Detectives and that breaks my heart!
@@cbeverage18 totally agree with you not even there own father did that on that age. Afcorse he hugged them that what a good dad does. He was a ferry loving dad. But sleeping like she let Stefpan do, and sending her to her bedroom with him because you want to have a good night sleep. No way never and sleeping in his arms is not normal. And when i saw a picture like that when he does things i just can't say. The first thing she says he needs a lawyer. No he needs to be far far far away from me. Real far because i would hurt him so bad. I am a little 5 foot 50 kg women but when its about my daughters i am a liones. Discusting makes me sick
I slept in the same bed as my mother and stepdad. But I was separated from him by my mother. There were no problems and my stepdad isn’t a creeper though. This guy is 100% a creeper
@@susanlewis9351 absolutely makes me sick ,She's as guilty as the monster ,more so to me ,She's her mother , supposed to protect her child from monsters ,from everything ,She disgust me ,We can only hope Karma dishes out the justice the law never does , immunity smh that makes me sick that lawyers r whomever gave it to her .
@@AleisaEtheridgethat’s exactly how I feel. Her betrayal was so deep. Watching her fake cry and switch to a normal voice right away, just lying about all of this. It really burns me that she’s getting away with it
She doesn't have immunity. She was given derivative use immunity for one interview where anything she said in that interview couldn't be used against her in court. They were basically giving her a chance to turn on Stephen & to be honest if she had lied previously to them. They can still prosecute her if they decide they have enough evidence to bring charges.
I can’t believe she had the nerve to say she watched her like a hawk, but let her little girl sleep in the bed with a grown man by herself, and then in between her and her boyfriend, and woke up to find them snuggling and just can’t comprehend that there was anything wrong with what she did.
What type of mother sees a video of her 13 yo daughter being SA’d by her boyfriend and her first thought is to get him a lawyer. Please make it make sense.
@@lekiacooper5783 maybe to get him off so she can take the trash out herself? Obviously, that would be asking way too much of her as a mother and there's no explanation for getting him a lawyer.
We can't. To a normal morally driven person, it can never make sense. This woman shouldn't even be called mom. She's playing dumb for the sake of her own skin. She had to have known something! She probably chose to ignore it, which is the same as allowing it. A mother's intuition does not allow her to not know when her child is being used for something as evil as what this man has done. There ain't no way. 😠
@@gabriellewhitehead4269 I'm not even sure a person needs to be completely normal and morally driven to see all the wrongs and smell her BS. I'm not a mom and my morals have often been considered ambiguous. I know right from wrong & Good VS Bad. My ambiguousness can probably be better described as reckless. I'll willingly and am too easy to overlook personal safety in order to permanently solve a legitimate injustice in a timely manner. It's a good thing I'm not a mom. The thought of any kind of collateral innocent damage while recklessly righting a wrong makes me no better than this horrid woman. Faults are recognized and I try to live a life where they can't easily be tapped. I've turned into a boring pacifist with a spicy attitude and lover of all cats; a snarky, living/breathing political cliché. 😂 There are far worse things to be in life....like existing on the same motherly playground as Casey Anthony or The Chomo Deadman Walking Boyfriend. Always look for that silver lining in this sad, sick, crazy world.
The mother knew Madeline was being groomed and abused by Stephan and did not have a problem with it. She actually told Madeline to go sleep in the same bed with Stephan the night before Madeline disappeared because she the mother was tired from work. Perhaps the poor child stood up for herself and he killed her after being used to just taking from her. The poor child had been hurt her whole life
Same here. It’s been so hard listening to the other detectives coddle her, asking “Are you okay, are you okay, do you need something, are you okay, I know this is very hard for you” , etc… If we all can see clearly that she was aware of the abuse, they had to see it too and to hear them handle her with kid gloves, tolerate her inconsistencies without question has been infuriating. I am here for this detective telling her what I feel she should’ve been told by everyone. The one thing that has really bothered me though is him saying cexual relationship, Maddie and him dating, etc. Why is he saying those things when it is nothing but cexual abuse? At this point they knew it was happening in 2020, she was 9-10 years old! A child cannot have a cexual relationship. A child cannot consent. She was abused by a predator. The terms need to be clear and not imply anything but.
@@livinglifetothefullest8075 Shockingly no, she hasn’t been charged. Apparently, not certain, she got an immunity deal. Why though? They have so much evidence on him that I can’t see why they would need her, especially since she has lied so much.
It’s just not blowing it’s like is she an idiot? It’s so hard to believe she thought he was a good guy after all these years. Come on I think most women will pick up on certain behaviors of the man your with. I wonder why they broke up and came back together.
I don’t believe she said she knew he was going the other stuff. She maintains she didn’t know that but it’s the way she describes the difference the stuff he was doing to her daughter and the m@rder.
,She is totally guilty of child endangerment and of participating in her own daughters SA life since she was at least 5 yrs.Old.They are two disgusting monsters and child protective services should have seen this long way before it became to this point.Poor Maddie enduring such horrific SA from Jenn's lover and boyfriend and for whom she only loved and cared about.Shameful! God will do justice.
She's saying when they showed her pictures of what Stephan did to Maddie she believed that but even after seeing those pictures she didn't want to believe he also kiIIed her - she thought it was still possible someone else had taken her. That's what she's saying.
The Detective is brilliant - accurate, compassionate, precise, honestly open, Salute! The world is watching. She needs to be held accountable. Press on!
The moment I had my first child I became hyper aware of the danger of EVERYONE. I can never understand a parent turning a blind eye to their children being hurt.
Remember they haven’t found Maddie’s body yet. I believe she is still holding out hope in her mind that Maddie could still be alive, Stephan didn’t murder her. She’s offering theories of what Stephen COULD have done, not what he DID do. In fact I think HOPING for the best, hoping she is alive, hoping that she’s not hurt, hoping Stephan didn’t murder her, hoping there still measure of good left in him that he is not murderer, he couldn’t have murdered her -is she has left, to be alive. For someone who’s experienced deep depression, depth of suicide, holding onto hope that tomorrow will be a better days is what is keeping her alive. It’s childlike, naive, and maybe too hopeful, is not healthy coping mechanism can blind her from living in reality, but I can understand why she needs it to keep her sanity when forced to the accept the unimaginable. Causes her to use denial to accept the worst, hopelessness. If this is true, after listening to her last interview, got partial immunity in April, month after Maddie has been dead, the lack of emotion in her voice could mean she’s still been in denial, or in shock, maybe delusional, hand’t fully grasped Maddie was never coming home. As time goes on without Maddie, she would have no choice but to accept it. My guess she’s been admitted into a mental facility, possibly on suicide watch. I really believe SS took advantage of her mental illness to access Maddie, groomed both of them, gaslighted her into accepting the crazy sleeping arrangements. After hours and months of investigation, they determined she didn’t know or involved SS SA and murder of Maddie. They don’t plan to charge her so far. And honestly. I weep for her. And I pray she recovers and finds peace, and Jesus in her life someday. Let us Be at peace Maddie is in eternal rest in the Father’s arm, will never experience the pain and suffering in her short life ever again. Rest in eternal peace, sweet Maddie. ❤❤❤
@@patchlindy you are giving that woman too much credit. She didn't care about her daughter he started abusing her years before this happened and she did nothing. She would let them sleep in a bed on their own!!! What kind of woman does that. She doesn't deserve to be called a mother
@@l.c.7955 Gaslighting. " Gaslighting is an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control. Victims of gaslighting are deliberately and systematically fed false information that leads them to question what they know to be true, often about themselves. They may end up doubting their memory, their perception, and even their sanity. Over time, a gaslighter’s manipulations can grow more complex and potent, making it increasingly difficult for the victim to see the truth." From accounts from his parents, friends, girlfriends, SS was very good at gaslighting, was very manipulative, and liked to argue persistently, overbearing them until they give up and let him win, and get his way. He was also an emotional bully. Can understand how SS gaslight Jen into submission, even doubt basic instinct. I think he also convinced her he was different than other men, he would never hurt Maddie, treated her like his own daughter, he only wanted to snuggle with her, because she needed him to. And Maddie told Stephan's parents she wanted to.. SS must have groomed her. And Jen said..Maddie asked her to have "slumber party" with SS, can watch TV, etc. SS probably made it seem so innocent and normal. He chose times when Jen was put out, needed deep sleeping - bipolars require more sleep to balance brain and nerves, be able to function next day. She needed Maddie to sleep somewhere else. SS was there to take over, it's understandable why she believed Maddie would be safe with him. She said it didn't happen often, on rare occasions. Tragically, she really needed that sleep...it was supposed just that once. Because of SS - last time. So sad for young Maddie- she had no chance. It's an injustice people prejudge Jen, automatically assumed she acted on her own ---leaving out the predator and groomer who controlled her. They've been so unfair to her, wrongly convicted her, deserved punishment. Wanted to tar and feather her....because they prejudged, leaving out pertinent evidence, People can not grasp groomers power of gaslighting their victims. Because it's between the groomer and victim alone, he has the balance of power. In Jen's case, he took advantage of her worst insecurity- being abandoned and left alone. Used it to control her to extent she was helpless to save herself. Truth is we don't know the nature of their relationship, their dynamics, and SS manipulation tactics. Don't know how lived in the home. Don't know enough about Jen, who she really is in daily life, what decisions she was groomed into, what was from her. It would more digging into her life, growing up, history of mental illness, etc. It's possible she was examined by LE psychologists treated victims of groomers. At least by July, investigation was completed after hours and hours of investigating through SS cell phone, computer, and Jen's - pictures, texts, emails, voicemails, times, dates, locations indicated phone pings, and more...they determined Jen was not aware of the SA, CSAM, and murder, nor was she involved. Because materials of investigation has been released, it means they've completed their investigation - SS was the lone perpetrator. As of now, Jen will not be charged. She still deserves fair treatment based on facts.
I’m sick of “mothers” protecting the abuser instead is protecting their child. Constantly happens. I have stayed single and not dated for my daughter’s entire life, she’s 13 now. I’ve stayed single to keep her safe as children who reside in a home with a non biological male are 33x more likely to be abused. It’s disgusting that she literally said “the sex stuff is okay, I believed him” Way too many mothers choose their stupid boyfriends over their children, disgusting
They prioritize money in front of their children. My step mom stayed with my dad for 13 yrs and there were multiple accusations against my dad and I even told her i saw him looking at pictures of kids while i was younger but she stayed with him anyways. Didn't leave him til i was 14 and then he turned on me and i went to school and told them what he tried to do and they sent me to my mom in California. But everyone called me a liar and finally i found pics of what he was doing to his girlfriends granddaughter from diapers yil she was 5 and he ended up unaliving himself. I was 21 and pregnant with my 2nd child that was a girl and i said to myself if he hurt my daughter ever my husband would off him and then be in jail for his whole life. I prioritized my children and the little girl over my dad and it makes me sick that so many people just ignore it. This was in 2005. Im 39 now and i am so messed up for the things i found on his computer. It never goes away. You sound like an amazing mother and your daughter is so lucky to have such a big momma bear. Lots of love from Nashville.
I’m exactly the same, Peaches. My husb left my children/I for his married secretary (and her children) and it was so shocking plus all these cases everywhere, I refused to date. My kids are more important than ANY man or relationship. They deserve a parent who is solely dedicated to them & I have been that to them. Their father hasn’t seen them or spoke to them in 3 yrs. He calls the secretary’s kids “his replacement children” & THEY HAVE A BIO FATHER THAT LOVES those poor kids! The secretary is a SLUT & wanted our money and she got it! But I believe in KARMA‼️
Thank you to all the moms who put their kids first. I had a mother like that, & her kids & grandkids miss her every day. Just so y’all know your kids see your sacrifice & love you for it.
I have a lot to say... But I'm gonna keep it simple... Not once does she ever use the word love for MS...and when she talks about MS as just a body or a dumped body...there was no love for her daughter...
The sort of “distancing” speak could be part of her being in shock, but that is a remarkable observation on your part (that she didn’t say “love” in relation to Maddie once). 😢
I couldn’t even bring myself to utter the words dumped and body about my cherished children. I couldn’t get the words out but it just rolls off her tongue
@@Lesalyshe doesn't seem to be in shock at all. Doesn't matter when or who she's talking about Maddie to-- it's the same unemotional, detached language. I cannot IMAGINE being told my daughter was de@d and then continuously, throughout a LONG conversation, referring to my BABY as "a body" or "the body" SS "stashed" and "dumped".
@@kelliekriss2131 I tried to literally imagine it. Thinking and then forming those words in relation to my de@d child (putting myself in Jenn's shoes)...and then using those words over and over again...I can't. I can't even imagine it in my head, let alone utter those words!
she is so contradictory, when she was asked about why stephan and madeline running away together when she turned 18 was her biggest fear she said it was because her mom drilled into her that she cannot trust men at all, and that really stuck with her, but at 48:00 she is saying that she always assumed the best from him and the he wasn’t capable of doing such heinous things….
Paraphrasing. "I believed you when you said Stephen did sexual things to Maddy but I did not believe he could do something evil to her"... What is wrong with this woman?! I am angry.
That was my main reaction to the video as well. Absolutely unbelievable. I am thankful that this detective won’t let anything get by… he actually confronts her.
Then the fact that she guesses MS could have been “drugged and choked” then even goes to name the meds he had access too…. This is her telling. And the way she talks about her daughter as “the body “ and he probably “stashed” the body here, or “dumped” the body, or “move” the body… “he wanted to check he did a good job” What mother speaks that way about her daughter? She is so disconnected. Not a single tear talking about her dead daughter.
This detective is amazing! He cannot go see his own kids because he’s searching for hers! But, Jen is protecting the vile animal she allowed near her child!! 42:46
She's revolting her tears are crocodile ...she's an evil lying monster every time she sighs she is about to lie she's just human garbage..poor poor Maddie it's just heartbreaking... Wish these cops interviewed Nicole Kessinger 😢
I watch a boatload of police interrogations, I cannot applaud 👏🏻 this man enough for standing up for Maddie, being her advocate and continuously illustrating why Jenn is an awful mother and human to her own face. Thank you for not coddling her disgusting, pathetic excuse for a human.
I can’t get over her showing no concern for what happened to her daughter. If I’d been told my child hade been abused for years I’d have been hysterical! I’d be raging wanting to get my hands on him but she doesn’t seem fazed. She’s also not shown any concern for the fact that her daughter has most likely been murdered. I’d have to be sedated if that were my child. She only seems concerned about not looking guilty. That poor little girl 💔
The fact that her biggest and realest emotional reaction was when he was saying that what he did was kinda like cheating on her…. Is sick. THAT is what set her off!?!
I think he is in on the whole thing! I think she caught them together, or Maddie told her mom what was happening and Jen went nuts she went to talk to Stephan, and then went to bed in her drug induced stupor, and then Stephan killed Maddie for telling! I think she knew the whole time that baby was dead, and wee she was "dumped"!
@@katritter6482 all the questions about her missing a period make me worried that there is something there. I am not sure if she was actually involved, I do believe she was negligent, ignorant, and jealous of her daughter. I think she is responsible for serving her up, and not protecting her or stopping things…. I do not however believe that she hurt her… I think she ignored things because that was easier. Even if she didn’t hurt her or have direct knowledge of what was happening, she still had to have suspicions and she still was negligent.
@@JoeRogansForehead nah. That’s not single motherhood. That’s just a bad mom. There are plenty of those that are single and plenty of those who are married. I know many married moms that are jealous of their own kids…. But go off.
@@katritter6482No she been knew for a while because she's not upset about it. I believe she might have been pregnant, he had been abusing her since she was 8 y.o minimum of 4 yrs.
@@atlasbonds6095 I totally agree the less enablers we have the less this crap will happen. And people will realize the parts they can play in ruining or destroying others peoples lives by having the cognitive ability to know right and wrong as a human being able to make choices and choose ignorance. It’s insidious and neglect. It makes me sick being a human sometimes.
“I believed the s*xual stuff, but I didn’t wanna believe that he had done anything evil to her. I’m like ‘what if he did this stuff? Fine. But what if she’s still missing out there” Huh??? So, “the s*xual stuff” that he did to your little girl is not considered evil???
The detective who confronted Jenn on her inappropriate behavior and affect, said everything that most of us have been questioning since the event. the detective did his job well and I commend him for it.
My first date with my husband I said I like you, yes I’d like to go out again. But if you ever lay a hand on me, I’m not going to let you go. She is not an aggressive person, and neither am I. I mean what I say and I say what I mean. 37 years and we are so Happy still. No fights, just disagreeing
Yes, I was feeling sorry for her, but she cries and stops like plugging on and off. I can't imagine not being hospitalized after learning what Stephen had done. The police would have to arrest me to not kill him with my own hands. She is crazy, or a very cold psychopath.
Sadly, I think this is a certain personality type ( perhaps a victim themselves), who the predators hone in on. She has normalized this crazy "snuggling/sleeping" to the point where she can't see how off it is. Not that she isn't to blame. She is a horrible mother & deserves to be punished
"There's more spots in North Port where she could be dumped." No inflection. No emotion, no tears, nothing. This is her CHILD. To most people, this is crazy. What is going on in her neurology that just makes her so nonchalant?? She's doing this fake sobbing and then stops abruptly and goes back to answering questions. This is so weird.
As a child victim of SA by my stepfather for 11 years, I can assure anyone that Madeline did NOT think she was having a 'relationship' or 'in love' with her abuser. She didn't believe she was 'dating' him, and if she thought that it's because he convinced her that's what it was but 100% she did not want that. She initially loved him as a father figure, and then she hated him for doing those things to her and was conflicted if the rest of the family thought he was wonderful. Her eyes clearly show her distress, depression, sadness.
It is beyond confusing to endure SA as an adolescent. You are trying to justify & articulate it in your adolescent mind & the answers do not exist there. 😭 I said my SA was consensual, that happened at 14 yo. Until I turned 20 I realized it wasn't at all. I was manipulated, groomed & Sa'd that is how I justified & dealt with it for years.
11 years is a huge part of childhood. Almost all of it. Step fathers can be so vital to a child’s upbringing if they are decent men but so often there are problems. I was asked to say goodbye to daddy when I was 8 and given a drunk for a new daddy soon after. Thankfully I was never SA’d and I know that elevates the damage to a whole other level but he hated me. So one left, one hated, and it took almost 50 years after that for me to like myself. I hope you are younger and you don’t waste time. Get the help you need to free yourself as soon as you can.
I think that was an interview tactic on the part of the police detective. Please keep in mind that detectives tailor the way they speak to, and interrogate subjects in interviews, to provoke certain reactions or confessions. Never take their words in an interview as being fully representative of how they truly feel outside of the interview room. They train for these things.
I said the same thing. Just imagine having that image in your mind. Never mind saying it out loud. Gut wrenching!!!!!!!!! She did not care about that child at all.
No loving mother is going to refer to their missing daughter's body as being "dumped." However, a mother who is complicit in their daughter's abuse and death absolutely would use DUMPED!
I don't understand how a mother can sit there and only cry when they tell her She done something wrong as a mother, not that it happened to her daughter. That shrug when he said he treated her like he would treat the mother, it would take all I have as an investigator to not jump down her throat!
It’s weird too how she doesn’t know what he did to her daughter but ‘guesses’ so calmly and easily. She absolutely knows and thinks every one is stupid.
I have a daughter, she’s seven, soon to be eight. Maddie was eight when the SA started. It makes me sick to my stomach. I can assure you, that if anything like this happened to my daughter, I would probably not be able to live on in this life. Even if you don’t have a child, you can just imagine the pain of losing one. If I lost my child I would take my life
@elsab5782 I cried 😢 😭 reading your comment because you litteraly took my thoughts out of my head ! I feel the exact same way ... I've cried so much for Maddie and I'm a stranger to her 😢
I can't fathom how those words came out of her mouth over and over. How about her name, my child, my little girl, something that says I care, but there's nothing.
i actually think its a lie, and the detective said that too at some point. He says "Maddie was killed on Sunday" and what Jen says "i sent them upstairs" its diversion. Jen never saw her daughter on sunday cause she was angry at her (not even a bday gift). She didnt care for Maddie anymore. Jealous. Stephan told her that he slept with Maddie upstairs, and then he told her that he left with the dog at 3am!!!
Jenn’s display of upset emotions are completely 100% fictitious. She goes from “sobbing “ to talking matter of factly in two seconds . Honestly, it’s rather scary . Is she a sociopath? And her deep sighs when answering a question make me think it’s her unconscious “tell” that she’s lying . What do Jenn’s family think of Jenn and all of this sleeping together.
@SD0224 yess! That's what I just mentioned too! The way she was clenching her stomach to appear she's having a physically sickened reaction to what's been done to her child and then when he talks about something else she instantly moved on and shut off that "reaction" alarmingly fast and was onto the next lie.
I can’t believe what I’m seeing and hearing that happened to this poor child. I have a lot of Respect for these Detectives and the job that they have to do. I simply could not contain myself. 😞😡
Me too! Coming up on 5 years single! My children come first. My youngest is 4. Myself and my ex separated shortly before I found out I was pregnant. We co-parent and I'm single. He is dating someone but he is not allowed to have our 4 year old around her. I don't trust anyone! Women are just as evil as men when it comes to other people's children. There have been women who hurt their partners children.
She doesn’t seem to be able to be bothered with keeping her kid safe. I don’t think she would have chosen differently. She could have and she ignored it. This is so sad and thank God your kids have mothers like you.
I remember her saying sunday night she is wild for that and notice how uncomfortable she gets explaining ss has a child relationship in high school it seems like a half truth possibly
I was doubting my own ears hearing that sexual abuse was OK but she didn't support the murder. I had to listen over to realise that the mother actually said that.
@mycatsnameiskaren8253 Actually, if u have cognitive dissonance, u could possibly get confused even if you are being honest. Innocent people can look guilty, guilty people can remember their lies because they believe them.
It is not normal for a thirteen year old girl to be "snuggling" with her mother's boyfriend. This is weird. When women don't know how to function on their own in a healthy way, without needing to have someone around, they are putting their children at risk. She should be brought up on charges for abuse.
I think its normal for a 12/ 13 years old Kid. Thea are Not adults yet and still want to be cuddled Like a child Sometimes. But its Not normal for the parents to Go over any Border. They are grown and know whats inappropriate behaviour and where they have to Stop. So for me they both have to Go to prison for a Long Time.
Some people are dumb, I didn't know my father abused my son when he was 3 years old. I came to find out when he was 24. It nearly destroyed me. Sometimes, you trust someone so much that u become blind. I see that in her. She did fail her daughter. Her mental illnesses put her daughter here, me, I trust it, my dad. Who would have thought my father, his grandfather who loved him so much, abused my son. I repeatedly told my children to tell me if anyone touched them to tell me. My son said mom there is a monster with yellow eyes at night, and I close my eyes and never see him again. I thought it was because I let them watch scare of the dark. I blamed me for so long, it nearly destroyed me because my dad had yellow eyes like honey. I didn't realize that till years, I took away scare of the dark. I kept them close, I just didn't know the monster was that close. My son became and alcoholic and a drug addict. I know why now. Sometimes, we just don't see. Maybe we are judging her wrong
She is innocent and doesn't need to be locked up. He murdered the little girl and drove around with her dead body. No normal good mum would think every guy is a child molester, or we would live in absolute fear. I have slept in bed with friends and children, and nobody ever thought that creepy. Yet a man who is playing a great role taking and dropping her daughter of and most probably spending more time with her child than I ever have my mates, yet I've shared a bed with kids they ain't mine., it's not that weird they shared a bed altogether. Yet now it is because everyone knows he is a creep. Yet if this was a story about a happy ending, the step dad sleeping in the same bed wouldn't sound bad, and everyone would say how lovely that he raised someone else's kid. Mum wouldn't be shamed for sharing a bed. Yet if she saw a photo of an image of her missing child doing what was said and her reaction wasn't to hurt him she deserves everything she gets
There is NO way I could sit and have this conversation - I would be freaking out that I needed to my child - I would be CRAZY bouncing off the walls thinking that my child was dead laying somewhere alone ! Her reference to her child as “the body” is such a tell time sign she is distancing herself of what she really knows
😢😢😢it’s so crazy how much trauma this gives us just hearing n knowing now what happened. Yet the women who birth baby maddie shows nothing😢 I’m sick to my stomach😢💔
Me neither,those words are a so triggering 😢smh shame on her smh she bassicly handed her to the nasty perverse pedo monster she needs to be held accountable
“ I believed the sexual stuff but I didn’t want to believe he did anything evil “ 😅 as If sexually abusing a child ain’t evil enough. please put HER under the jail.
It’s very strange that she separates the “sexual stuff” from the “evil stuff”. Wow. She knew what was happening and just let it happen. Absolutely disgusting.
She was put on the spot so had to come up with something to diminish the seriousness of the photos to explain why she wanted him to get a lawyer. That was her just winging it to try and get herself out of a corner. Just proves what a liar she is.
It's crazy to me she never mentioned maddie during this alot at all and when detective said we'll tell me what do you think happened and I think said she was drugged and choked and it happened sunday night and he carried her out the house. ..knowing what we now know that tells me she knows everything. If she didn't know about the SA she would've been way way more bothered finding out it happened as far as four years back.
I’m so incredibly impressed with this detective. He showed so much patience. He asked her a question and whenever she answered he would repeat what she said and follow up with his next question on the topic at the time of the conversation. He was keeping her engaged. I feel sometimes detectives get ahead of their self and start asking question after question just trying to get more information with no follow up and most times the person being interrogated gets flustered and wants a lawyer at least from the stuff I’ve seen that’s just my opinion. Major respect for him for speaking for all of us and calling her out but still keeping his integrity.
She’s the type of woman that is so desperate and insecure that she’d choose a man over her own child. I believe she knows exactly what happened and where her daughter is. This is disgusting! I pray to our Lord the truth comes to light and babygirl gets the Justice she deserves.
@@sharp3727 the same words caught my ears.. dumped and stashed. Those words could never come out of my mouth in this situation. Shes not right in the head.
@@melissaw5626she glances at the camera when she’s crying interestingly she’s rubbing her hands like she’s getting something off them when she’s upset would love a body language person to go through this video I have my own views and they ain’t good on Jen. Poor maddie 💜💜
As someone who was sexually abused by my dad for almost my entire childhood...and to find out later that my mom knew about it but kept giving him second chances....this woman knew her boyfriend was abusing her daughter.
Agreed !I experienced the same as you. My mom knew since I was 2 and never stepped in to stop or help.also told family members I was a habitual liar and convinced them I was a problem child.That I was like because I wanted to be with my real father.Which was also a lie because he sexually abused me as well.Needless to say I ran away starting at 12 and finally the state emancipated me at 16.i never told the truth the detectives figured it out and convinced the judge to release me.
@@a_leafSHE AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY DID NOT SEARCH FOR MADELINE...AND THEY DID NOT ATTEND MADELINES FUNERAL. THAT IS ALL SHE WROTE. "LIFEINPRISONFROMDAORTHISISAJOKE
The detective didn't "lose it" at all. He did an amazing job and caught her and called her out on all her BS. It's what so many of us wondered about. I think I kind of love that detective. 😂
It's so obvious how she pretends to cry but then immediately goes into a perfectly calm conversation in which she's pretending to help them solve the murder. Disgusting.
Exactly. It shows she's feigning sadness which the detective actually referenced near the beginning of the interview. He told her that he'd seen the interviews she'd given to the media and news outlets and said her emotions, specifically the sadness, came across as superficial and not genuine.
My mum was calling me a prostitute when I was 11 years old! Cause I was growing and my stepfather was already lurking. I did not understand what he was doing cause I was an innocent and naive child. He did everthing to destroy me, and she is still with him enjoying retirement. I am still trying to trust people and its hard to do.
I know you know it’s not your fault-not only that -same happened to me-took me a long time to get it , he wasn’t doing it to me because he couldn’t see me. I finally got that and huge liberation . It’s a journey -I am no contact -that’s for sure
Not normal at all. First of all, she shouldn’t have her daughter living with her boyfriend. He should have his own home. If they marry then that’s one thing but boyfriend isn’t a committed partner. Women need to put their kids first.
@pamelasmith6221 I disagree with your assessment of what a committed partner is/should be. There are multitudes of examples of "partners" being infinitely better at child rearing than biological parents. Point is, trash is trash and evil is evil and neither should have a hand in raising a child
@@tencentpistol1true ,I've watched many true crime videos with parents abusing their child to death and doing unspeakable things to them ,many of their ex's had loved those children and had tried to protect them from the evil parents . Marriage certainly doesn't change anything ,if they are evil ,a marriage certificate certainly doesn't change it .
@@pamelasmith6221I don't agree with all you said except that women should put their children first ,all parents should ,there's been many cases of a fathers girlfriend r wife abusing the man's child and killing them ,it's not just the mother that needs to put her child first ,every parent should ,no one should ever hurt a child ,ever .
Stefan's mother mentioned during ( I think ) a jailhouse conversation with her son that Jen had been "serving her daughter up" ( my words not hers ) to other men since she was young and there were a lot of things going on in that house that shouldn't have. Where was the family? Why didn't any of them step in and do something? SMH I just don't get it.
YUP and “turned her back” is being generous. I haven’t gotten through this whole audio, but in one of her police interviews she is asked about her text to Stephan “Maddy’s no longer sleeping with me I can’t risk it,” and when asked what that text meant, she said “I have no idea.” I cannot for the life of me think of ANY reasonable explanation of what she could have been referring to. she not only turned her back, she FULL WELL KNEW and did nothing. I’ll never understand. Having a child should be a privilege and not a right. Maddy deserved so much better on so many levels. Even hearing the details of her being so sleepy and so anxious and struggling in school, yet still powering on and trying to navigate everything that comes with adolescence in this day and age ON HER OWN, in spite of the horrific hell that her home life was, shatters my heart. And we’ll never know, but I’ll go out on a limb and say that Maddy would have confided in her “mother” if she felt like Jen would be of any help. I can’t imagine how alone this innocent girl felt in this world.
She definitely knew, there is NO way that this has been going on for years and she was never aware. The way she behaves around this whole thing, how she refers to her daughter as "the body", her mentioning her daughter's body as being "stashed" as if she was talking about old furniture, her calling Stephan's parents telling them that their son should lawyer up after she was told that there was material of him abusing her daughter on his phone still trying to defend him.......just everything rings the alarm bells of her not only being involved but enabling, allowing, covering the abuse and possibly being involved in her murder. This is too sad and infuriating Like, HOW DO YOU THINK IS NORMAL FOR YOUR DAUGHTER TO "SNUGGLE" WITH YOUR BOYFRIEND!? OR HOW IS IT THAT YOU RENT ROOMS FROM YOUR HOUSE BUT HER "ROOM" IS A SMALL SPACE WITH A PARTITION CLOSE TO THE LIVING ROOM AND SEND YOUR BOYFRIEND (and even when they were no longer in a relationship) TO SLEEP WITH YOUR DAUGHTER ALONE BECAUSE YOU'RE TIRED!? Nah, she knew and didn't even care at all to keep a man close to her
I do not get why JS is not locked up. They have her on video saying she sent her daughter to sleep with a 37 year old man and he killed her. This woman did not protect her child for years.
I’d think sex trafficking would be appropriate because mom gave her child to a sexual predator in order to keep him in mom’s life. That’s the transaction. She’d rather have child raped repeatedly in her own bed than be alone. That she offered him a lawyer after seeing that photo means she’s just as sick and twisted as he is. Maybe even worse because she had to overcome the natural instinct of a mother to protect her child’s even with their own life if necessary, in order to facilitate a situation that allowed him to easily abuse and then murder her daughter, and to then help him cover it up.
If he did this to her fine..... WTFF??????? Put this woman in prison. Never let her have any more kids. DISGUSTING!! What is with people these days. It's getting really bad.
This cop is 100% right, she is protecting him. Her first instinct is to make excuses and to protect him over her daughter. She has shown no emotion towards her daughter. She even asked how long would he go to prison in one interview. She deserves to be in prison for neglecting her daughter.
She's doing more than protecting him I believe she was there when Maddie was murdered if she didn't do it herself. She's very strange and tried to be manipulative but she's not good at it.
It's doubtful that Jenn would have believed Madeline if she did tell her, and it is possible that Madeline told her some of what was going on. However, Madeline probably knew that Jenn would protect Stephan first.
The way she said “stashed her” “dumped her body” she is so emotionally disconnected from her own child. I wouldn’t even be able to speak or reference my child in such a way. Angering.
I’m stunned by this footage. Thank you so much for posting it. It fleshes out Jenn Soto’s thought processes (or lack there of.) It’s as if she has been living an entirely unexamined life - a life in a fugue state. Her obliviousness actually frightens me.
You described it perfectly. JS is utterly baffling in her demeanor and I agree as you stated that she appears to be functioning in a “fugue state”…not at ALL like a loving and compassionate, terrified mother worrying for her missing and believed to be murdered daughter. She is clearly withholding information and feigning any true concern for her daughter. She seems too dim-witted to maintain any believable excuse as to why she had zero suspicion of SA, while describing the predatory grooming behavior both she and SS committed against poor sweet Maddie. Even after learning of the SA, JS is unable to summon the ability to even fake an appropriate response. It’s unthinkable what that child endured. May justice and karmic retribution haunt those two evil souls for the rest of eternity.
That seems like pretty normal behavior. Her brain is going a million miles an hour, she hadn't given up all hope at that point. Plus, she had to be aware and in her right mind enough to answer his questions. Her emotions were all over the place.
She only has crocodile 🐊 tears with fake feelings for her she didn't seemed to have cared for her own kid, she had her smile and nose her own flesh and blood, she seemed to have cared more about her man more than she did her own flesh and blood kid she probably didn't want to lose him and offered her to him.
Can we all just shout out this detective with his no nonsense approach?
This detective is so good at what he does. Tell her like it is.
@@lilyr7221best detective I have ever seen.
@@lilyr7221 He’s good at showing restraint and being “bad cop”. He brings out her inconsistencies brilliantly.
I was just thinking what must detectives go through on the daily to get this way? I'd be across the room.
@@clairedelune5412 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤️
My mother pretended to not know too, over and over and over; now I’m an adult, and I pretend I don’t know her. ❤
I would be the same way if that had happened to me. But, my mom was a lioness! She had a friend over one night . I was a pre teen. He was drunk. When he lost sight of my mom he went looking for her. He opened my bedroom door and was calling for her. I woke up screaming. Before I knew it my mom was there. She hit him so hard she knocked him down. I felt so safe!
Same! She even had the galls to text me last month on my birthday how sorry she was and she envied my strength.I wouldn't call that strength.
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That is where your power lies and yes, you CAN and SHOULD take it all back on your own terms. You do not have to explain or condone or tolerate any shitty behaviour ever after,
Same here mums are so ignorant and don’t give a damn if it happens as they don’t want their world to be ruined my mum can die old and lonely as I have never had an apology just pretends she didn’t know I don’t speak after my stepdad died and she didn’t believe I know she knew
I'm so glad that detective said exactly what we've all said. "You're protecting Stephan more than your daughter" We all think she's disgraceful.
yes! too many reg flags! i now think it was her who killed! he did the disposal!
@@jewelwheeler1 idk if this has been said. What happened to her birthday money this year. He stole it last year. Could have been a rage thing where she made fun of him. “You better not steal my money again this year you creep”
@@BeverlyB-tt3zi he stole her birthday money last year? And mom didn’t kick him to the curb for that alone? 🚩
I was asking the same thing. Why hasn't that been asked. I haven't heard about it either. @@BeverlyB-tt3zi
And the mom didn't find that weird.
That detective is DISGUSTED! He’s holding it together so well. It’s clearly not just a murder case to him. I love his caring emotions ❤❤❤.
The way she keeps referring to her daughter as “the body” tells me everything I need to know……this woman needs to be behind bars for life 😡
She did it.
She is trying to distance herself psychologically from the whole situation...she's not even said her daughter's name! I think the psychologists have a name for it but it won't come to me...I'm hindsight - she should have been born barren! I can't have children and things like this thing makes me so angry!
@trishg5079 I agree. You wouldn't refer to your baby as "a body". Never.
She also said "dumped" and "stashed" to refer to "the body." I wouldn't even talk about my pets this way.
It won't happen.
The fact that she doesn't think child sexual abuse isn't evil is extremely disturbing!
It's FINE 🤬
If she had been through it and her mind warped to cope, she may think this legitimately!!
I truly believe that Sterns manipulated this child with gifts and pocket change and told her it would all go away if her mother found out about what was going on between them
With that said I believe the mother suspected something was going on but as long as they denied it, the mother managed to believe there was nothing going on
I also believe that up until Madeline turned 13 Sterns probably did pictures and touched her sexually
Upon turning 13 he looked at her as a woman and wanted to have intercourse. At that time Madeline most likely refused and threatened to tell her Mother
Then he knew he was about to be exposed he decided to kill her
I do believe the mother should be prosecuted for not protecting her daughter when she needed protection from him
They’ll look closely to see if evidence Jen knew and either way make a decision to charge her with negligence if she was just that
@@hardwired8084makes no difference to me - none.
I have no sympathy for this mother. She brought this predator into the house and allowed him to sleep with her daughter.
You don't know a person is a predator until you know. When you know you get the predator out of your life.
Not a mom …
She has no emotion toward her daughter.
I'm totally agreeing with you
@@Anna-h3t2hYes, you don't know anyone for a really long time. So what you DON'T do is allow them easy access to your child! I don't let my DOG stay overnight with just anyone. Because I am 100% responsible for her well-being and safety. She depends on me for everything. And this woman doesn't feel any of that towards her own child.
How is she able to speak without crying or screaming?? Her calm speaks volumes after what she's just been told.
If I thought a grown man was snuggling with my child.. they would be looking for HIS body..
@@conniemorgan8402 100% this.
@@conniemorgan8402 💯‼️
Exactly
Correct
EXACTLY!!!
The fact that this woman saw a picture of proof of S Abuse and didn’t go beserk and go into a RAGE is beyond me. This detective is spot on!
I have an ex-boyfriend that has this exact MO and that mom has no sympathy for her children. These people genuinely are incredibly selfish and see their children as something that is in their way of their happiness. She did not care that that happened to that girl. She deserves to be in prison alongside him.
Because she KNEW!
@@SherryWallace-e7i I hate the way she said if he did this stuff then “fine”??!!! She wanted to think he was still a good guy?? 🤢😤🤬
Exactly. That tells me she knew what was going on. I must be unstable because I would be a nervous wreck just talking about it. One minute I would be crying the next I’d be in a complete rage.
She saw the pic of the bj and still recommended he get a lawyer SMH 🤔
The police are the only men who have ever stood up for her. Well done.
Exactly 🤬 No one is standing up for poor Maddie 😢 🙏
Exactly. There are many more Maddies. We’ve got to get our crap together & start actually protecting all of our kids. We’ve got to figure out what we can do at schools, in communities to make kids feel safe enough to tell. They’re not ever going to tell the first time they’re being asked about it. So we need to figure out how to ask them how they’re doing without making them feel uncomfortable with questions about abuse. We dont want to go the other direction & make kids think they have to say there was abuse even if there was not to make people stop grilling them about it. I think we probably need yearly school presentations where cops, therapists, teachers go over grooming, etc. so the kids feel they can step up & tell.
Wow- I think you’re right 💔
You’re so right.
Wow what a fantastic interrogation, hard stuff
She knows exactly how her daughter was murdered and she knows exactly where her body was dumped. What a sorry excuse for a so-called mother.
Jenn Soto needs to be held accountable.
💯 percent!
Absolutely. Child endangerment. Failure to protect against abuse.
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I will never understand why this woman didn't become completely irate and shocked to the core when she was shown proof of what Sterns had been doing to Maddie for years. And all that horror happened because she, Jennifer Soto, allowed it. Living in La-la land is no excuse; and child endangerment should be the least of the charges that she deserves.
Yes indeed! When she said the sex fine my head almost expoded
For being dumb?
Man, she’s giving Casey Anthony some competition for the most hated mom award.
Sadly, she's going to walk free and live her life, also. It is so tragic and infuriating.
So true
Look up Mary Yoder interview from Laporte Indiana
Yes Jenn is a pos but don't forget what kristel Candelario did to her little girl. She left her baby for 10 days in a playpen by herself while she went on a vacation with her boyfriend. The poor baby was eating her own feces because she was starving. I would say the mother is a monster and I'm glad she got life in prison..
I just said she’s a very close number 2 in my comment. Never thought I’d see the day.
A mother saying "dumping the body" "stashing the body" when speaking about her own child is so horrific. It truly shows how uncaring and detached this woman is to her daughter. I think she WANTED her daughter dead.
Good point. That is distancing language isn’t it. Horrendous.
@@jdub2100 so so sad 😪
Exactly, for her Maddie the daughter is only a body. She needs to go to jail.
20 minutes into interview she still didn’t refer her daughter by her name. It’s “her” and “she”
@michelleclarke8500 She is so detached from Maddie very heart breaking .Jenn is more concerned about Stephan than her own precious daughter it is just heart breaking 💔 😢
She needs to be made accountable ,it’s beyond understanding
I'm so glad this detective said everything to her that we've all been thinking.
Huh. They are frustrated because they're throwing everything at her and she keeps saying she doesn't know anything while in anguish and crying. They got nothing on her which is why she wasn't charged with anything.
That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking. At first I was thinking he won’t get anything from her with this approach. But F it. We dont need her. She needed this BAD!!!
But she’s clam after all that
@@soupnfresh what anguish?
I’m pretty sure I was thinking something different. She seemed like she was in massive shock and being honest.
The way the detective is quiet and glares at her without saying a word is beyond brilliant.
Cause he’s letting her know…you are lying, and we both know it
I don't believe he was harsh with her at all. He was calling her out whenever her answers or behaviors were questionable. The detective did his job!!
Agreed! He did call her out but he was still very calm and composed. Obviously he’s a professional but I don’t know how he did that when everyone else would probably want to scream at her.
He wasn’t harsh enough in my opinion I am literally sitting here holding my granddaughter super close in disbelief with tears welling in my eyes! How could you!! You are her mother!! She is so disgusting to say the least!
According to me, when she saw the porn photo, she felt Stephan needed a lawyer because she was afraid the cat was out of the bag and she would get implicated. She never expressed shock, emotions or rage at Stephen because he was her partner. They were both making money this way.
Stephan has not yet opened his mouth about her knowing from the beginning, because if he does that, he cannot plead 'Not guilty'.
Her putting the daughter between them in the bed is grooming behavior
😮 omg
Definitely
💯 Absolutely
Is this a fact? 😱😱
Fucking sick.
This woman is one of the poorest excuses of a mother I have ever seen.
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100 percent
Sadly theres tons of parents just like her all around the globe and even worse than them. Really, being a child under these live's circumstances must be a nightmare.
Agreed
Well said
I'm 80 years old now and the mother of four beautiful adults as I write this. As I sit here and watch this "person" (if she's human at all)....a sense of rage rises within me to see that she herself is not a hysterical mess, literally - and not lying in a hospital bed under heavy sedation having learned what has happened to her 14 year old daughter! She is devoid of any human love, caring, concern, empathy, or ethical/moral role modeling for her now dead 14 year old child. Nobody has to remind me that we are seeing this exact kind of scenario increasingly within in our society every single day. To me....the "cause" has more to do with what is lacking in the HEARTS, not the "minds" of human beings in 2024.
I just wanted to tell you she just turned 13 the day before she was killed, she didn't even make it to 14. 😢
Yes. EVIL!! Diabolical-diablo-> DEVIL 👺
In this world, a relationship like this between a mother and daughter is the kind of betrayal that leaves me with this same kind of rage. She continues to betray her to this day. There are mothers in prison right now over drugs or w/e who would never betray their daughters this way & this one has immunity.
Beautifully stated. Everyone is not human. There is the concept of the bio man. No soul just a machine. We are surrounded by them.
Gurdjieff said if we could see the true nature of man we would die of fright.
Watching this and many others leaves no other explanation.
I don’t think Jenn Soto ever actually bonded with her daughter emotionally and that itself is terrifying and explains why this happened
Both sets of grandparents should be charged as well. They knew and did nothing. They just told Stephan to stop sleeping with Maddie. But NEVER did they remove the child from this dangerous and abusive environment. They all knew. They admitted they knew on TV! BUT THEY DIDN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!
People need to understand that there are thousands of women like Jen Soto and we all need to listen to children and make them feel safe to tell if someone is hurting them. 😢
Even if children are made to feel safe to tell, the same silences them, so not only do we listen as parents, we have to look for signs, do research, be alert, and observe those around them and where they go etc. It is up to us. And not just parents, those in the community also.
@@Ashes2ashes1111 more than you could possibly imagine. Very sad times
Yes and we also need to stop making women into “saints” and “victims” in these cases.
They turn a blind eye, something terrible happens to their child, they cry, wail about what a good mother they are and people give them sooooooo much sympathy instead of holding them accountable for terrible decisions.
The Detective did an awesome job. He wasn't putting up with her lies.
Rest in Peace Beautiful Maddie 🙏❤️ 🕊️
I agree!! He even brought up that HE cannot see his own child while he’s searching for Maddie, but JS is protecting that monster/animal!
@@staceyjordan6187 I'm right there with you!
I completely agree with all three of you. The Detective did an amazing job! He wasn’t even entertaining her with her lies! She KNEW and definitely thought that Stephen killed Maddie she slipped up around the 35 minute mark where she said “I didn’t want to believe that he murdered her or I mean that he could have known what happened to her” She needs to held accountable! She was more worried and concerned about Stephen getting a Lawyer after seeing a picture her own daughter being SA’d by him by the police! She knew everything in my opinion!
Poor sweet Maddie ❤ she never had any good male figure stand up for her or protect her until these Detectives and that breaks my heart!
@@lalacarroll431she knew everything! You’re 💯 right!
Lol no he didn't. He didn't get anything our of her which is why she wasn't charged.
He’s saying what soooo many of us have thought and observed. I just never thought we would ever see someone speaking the bare truth to her like this.
As a mother, I would be hysterical. As a mother I would have never been with any man in bed with my child!!!! She knows!!!!
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@@cbeverage18 totally agree with you not even there own father did that on that age. Afcorse he hugged them that what a good dad does. He was a ferry loving dad. But sleeping like she let Stefpan do, and sending her to her bedroom with him because you want to have a good night sleep. No way never and sleeping in his arms is not normal. And when i saw a picture like that when he does things i just can't say. The first thing she says he needs a lawyer. No he needs to be far far far away from me. Real far because i would hurt him so bad. I am a little 5 foot 50 kg women but when its about my daughters i am a liones. Discusting makes me sick
I slept in the same bed as my mother and stepdad. But I was separated from him by my mother. There were no problems and my stepdad isn’t a creeper though. This guy is 100% a creeper
@@cbeverage18 right!! I wouldn’t even be able to talk I’d be so hysterical!!
@@bernice4599exactly. She is like unbelievably detached.. I would be incapable to talk .
She served her daughter up on a platter to him! How can she be given immunity ?! Disgusting
Exactly she is absolutely horrible
She absolutely facilitated the victimization of Maddie. Diabolical.
@@susanlewis9351 absolutely makes me sick ,She's as guilty as the monster ,more so to me ,She's her mother , supposed to protect her child from monsters ,from everything ,She disgust me ,We can only hope Karma dishes out the justice the law never does , immunity smh that makes me sick that lawyers r whomever gave it to her .
@@AleisaEtheridgethat’s exactly how I feel. Her betrayal was so deep. Watching her fake cry and switch to a normal voice right away, just lying about all of this. It really burns me that she’s getting away with it
She doesn't have immunity. She was given derivative use immunity for one interview where anything she said in that interview couldn't be used against her in court. They were basically giving her a chance to turn on Stephen & to be honest if she had lied previously to them. They can still prosecute her if they decide they have enough evidence to bring charges.
I can’t believe she had the nerve to say she watched her like a hawk, but let her little girl sleep in the bed with a grown man by herself, and then in between her and her boyfriend, and woke up to find them snuggling and just can’t comprehend that there was anything wrong with what she did.
I think she watched Maddie like the total opposite of a hawk - not at all. I think she let SS “babysit” her daughter so she could sleep and drug out.
@@veechica9152 Agree. Well said.
jennifer saying she watched her like a hawk tells me that she knew the child was being abused.
With no pants on 😤
Yeah, more like a blind hawk. She is infuriating!
After a picture, she doesn't know what to think???(really unbelievable)!!!
What type of mother sees a video of her 13 yo daughter being SA’d by her boyfriend and her first thought is to get him a lawyer. Please make it make sense.
@@lekiacooper5783 whoa
@@lekiacooper5783 maybe to get him off so she can take the trash out herself? Obviously, that would be asking way too much of her as a mother and there's no explanation for getting him a lawyer.
We can't. To a normal morally driven person, it can never make sense. This woman shouldn't even be called mom. She's playing dumb for the sake of her own skin. She had to have known something! She probably chose to ignore it, which is the same as allowing it. A mother's intuition does not allow her to not know when her child is being used for something as evil as what this man has done. There ain't no way. 😠
it's dusting
@@gabriellewhitehead4269 I'm not even sure a person needs to be completely normal and morally driven to see all the wrongs and smell her BS. I'm not a mom and my morals have often been considered ambiguous. I know right from wrong & Good VS Bad. My ambiguousness can probably be better described as reckless. I'll willingly and am too easy to overlook personal safety in order to permanently solve a legitimate injustice in a timely manner. It's a good thing I'm not a mom. The thought of any kind of collateral innocent damage while recklessly righting a wrong makes me no better than this horrid woman. Faults are recognized and I try to live a life where they can't easily be tapped. I've turned into a boring pacifist with a spicy attitude and lover of all cats; a snarky, living/breathing political cliché. 😂
There are far worse things to be in life....like existing on the same motherly playground as Casey Anthony or The Chomo Deadman Walking Boyfriend. Always look for that silver lining in this sad, sick, crazy world.
You could NEVER convince me that she didn’t know! Ain’t no way she couldn’t have known!
Right. It's clear to the world, so why aren't they charging her? Not enough evidence maybe?
The mother knew Madeline was being groomed and abused by Stephan and did not have a problem with it. She actually told Madeline to go sleep in the same bed with Stephan the night before Madeline disappeared because she the mother was tired from work. Perhaps the poor child stood up for herself and he killed her after being used to just taking from her. The poor child had been hurt her whole life
@@Susie.wemoveit’s so sad, 😢
She knew and let it continue
When I saw Maddie’s face on the news I said this child’s being 🤬
This detective was awesome. He said everything we were thinking!
Except we do think she's a bad person. That was him playing the crime time.
@@ragingrah3789 Finally!!!
He's bloody sexy too 😍
Poor Madeline, at 12 years old, was pregnant with Stephen's baby. Just DISGUSTING!!! RIP sweet angel. ❤🙏
I’m so glad this detective went after her for not protecting Maddie. She chose Stephan over Maddie. Unthinkable.
The detective is amazing & stood up brilliantly for the victim 💙
Same here. It’s been so hard listening to the other detectives coddle her, asking “Are you okay, are you okay, do you need something, are you okay, I know this is very hard for you” , etc…
If we all can see clearly that she was aware of the abuse, they had to see it too and to hear them handle her with kid gloves, tolerate her inconsistencies without question has been infuriating.
I am here for this detective telling her what I feel she should’ve been told by everyone.
The one thing that has really bothered me though is him saying cexual relationship, Maddie and him dating, etc. Why is he saying those things when it is nothing but cexual abuse? At this point they knew it was happening in 2020, she was 9-10 years old! A child cannot have a cexual relationship. A child cannot consent. She was abused by a predator. The terms need to be clear and not imply anything but.
@@0Mike-0Mike I agree, did the mum get charged with anything ? even Child neglect ?
@@livinglifetothefullest8075 Shockingly no, she hasn’t been charged. Apparently, not certain, she got an immunity deal. Why though? They have so much evidence on him that I can’t see why they would need her, especially since she has lied so much.
@@0Mike-0Mike she didn’t safeguard her child…& that’s a crime. I’m shocked she didn’t get any child neglect charges 😕
This is mind blowing to me… she knew he was going “s*xual stuff to her” but didn’t think he’d do anything “evil” - that is SO telling
It’s just not blowing it’s like is she an idiot? It’s so hard to believe she thought he was a good guy after all these years. Come on I think most women will pick up on certain behaviors of the man your with. I wonder why they broke up and came back together.
I don’t believe she said she knew he was going the other stuff. She maintains she didn’t know that but it’s the way she describes the difference the stuff he was doing to her daughter and the m@rder.
,She is totally guilty of child endangerment and of participating in her own daughters SA life since she was at least 5 yrs.Old.They are two disgusting monsters and child protective services should have seen this long way before it became to this point.Poor Maddie enduring such horrific SA from Jenn's lover and boyfriend and for whom she only loved and cared about.Shameful! God will do justice.
She's saying when they showed her pictures of what Stephan did to Maddie she believed that but even after seeing those pictures she didn't want to believe he also kiIIed her - she thought it was still possible someone else had taken her. That's what she's saying.
@@celinamolina7177 Madeline was 11 when Stephan started abusing her….either way still sick.
The Detective is brilliant - accurate, compassionate, precise, honestly open, Salute! The world is watching. She needs to be held accountable. Press on!
i retract what i said. i didnt know she saw them pics. she is just as guilty
The moment I had my first child I became hyper aware of the danger of EVERYONE. I can never understand a parent turning a blind eye to their children being hurt.
Can't even imagine having a conversation like this, let alone ever referring to my child as _'the body'!_
That struck me too! How do you sit there trying to imagine where he left her dead daughter without sobbing your heart out? And then mentioning gators?
Remember they haven’t found Maddie’s body yet. I believe she is still holding out hope in her mind that Maddie could still be alive, Stephan didn’t murder her. She’s offering theories of what Stephen COULD have done, not what he DID do. In fact I think HOPING for the best, hoping she is alive, hoping that she’s not hurt, hoping Stephan didn’t murder her, hoping there still measure of good left in him that he is not murderer, he couldn’t have murdered her -is she has left, to be alive.
For someone who’s experienced deep depression, depth of suicide, holding onto hope that tomorrow will be a better days is what is keeping her alive. It’s childlike, naive, and maybe too hopeful, is not healthy coping mechanism can blind her from living in reality, but I can understand why she needs it to keep her sanity when forced to the accept the unimaginable. Causes her to use denial to accept the worst, hopelessness. If this is true, after listening to her last interview, got partial immunity in April, month after Maddie has been dead, the lack of emotion in her voice could mean she’s still been in denial, or in shock, maybe delusional, hand’t fully grasped Maddie was never coming home. As time goes on without Maddie, she would have no choice but to accept it. My guess she’s been admitted into a mental facility, possibly on suicide watch.
I really believe SS took advantage of her mental illness to access Maddie, groomed both of them, gaslighted her into accepting the crazy sleeping arrangements. After hours and months of investigation, they determined she didn’t know or involved SS SA and murder of Maddie. They don’t plan to charge her so far. And honestly. I weep for her. And I pray she recovers and finds peace, and Jesus in her life someday.
Let us Be at peace Maddie is in eternal rest in the Father’s arm, will never experience the pain and suffering in her short life ever again.
Rest in eternal peace, sweet Maddie. ❤❤❤
@@patchlindy you are giving that woman too much credit. She didn't care about her daughter he started abusing her years before this happened and she did nothing. She would let them sleep in a bed on their own!!! What kind of woman does that. She doesn't deserve to be called a mother
@@l.c.7955 Gaslighting. " Gaslighting is an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control. Victims of gaslighting are deliberately and systematically fed false information that leads them to question what they know to be true, often about themselves. They may end up doubting their memory, their perception, and even their sanity. Over time, a gaslighter’s manipulations can grow more complex and potent, making it increasingly difficult for the victim to see the truth."
From accounts from his parents, friends, girlfriends, SS was very good at gaslighting, was very manipulative, and liked to argue persistently, overbearing them until they give up and let him win, and get his way. He was also an emotional bully. Can understand how SS gaslight Jen into submission, even doubt basic instinct. I think he also convinced her he was different than other men, he would never hurt Maddie, treated her like his own daughter, he only wanted to snuggle with her, because she needed him to. And Maddie told Stephan's parents she wanted to.. SS must have groomed her. And Jen said..Maddie asked her to have "slumber party" with SS, can watch TV, etc. SS probably made it seem so innocent and normal. He chose times when Jen was put out, needed deep sleeping - bipolars require more sleep to balance brain and nerves, be able to function next day. She needed Maddie to sleep somewhere else. SS was there to take over, it's understandable why she believed Maddie would be safe with him. She said it didn't happen often, on rare occasions. Tragically, she really needed that sleep...it was supposed just that once. Because of SS - last time. So sad for young Maddie- she had no chance.
It's an injustice people prejudge Jen, automatically assumed she acted on her own ---leaving out the predator and groomer who controlled her. They've been so unfair to her, wrongly convicted her, deserved punishment. Wanted to tar and feather her....because they prejudged, leaving out pertinent evidence,
People can not grasp groomers power of gaslighting their victims. Because it's between the groomer and victim alone, he has the balance of power. In Jen's case, he took advantage of her worst insecurity- being abandoned and left alone. Used it to control her to extent she was helpless to save herself. Truth is we don't know the nature of their relationship, their dynamics, and SS manipulation tactics. Don't know how lived in the home. Don't know enough about Jen, who she really is in daily life, what decisions she was groomed into, what was from her. It would more digging into her life, growing up, history of mental illness, etc. It's possible she was examined by LE psychologists treated victims of groomers.
At least by July, investigation was completed after hours and hours of investigating through SS cell phone, computer, and Jen's - pictures, texts, emails, voicemails, times, dates, locations indicated phone pings, and more...they determined Jen was not aware of the SA, CSAM, and murder, nor was she involved. Because materials of investigation has been released, it means they've completed their investigation - SS was the lone perpetrator. As of now, Jen will not be charged. She still deserves fair treatment based on facts.
@@patchlindyyou’re giving her too much credit, they spent the CP money and maddies bedroom is a clear indicator that Jen knew
I’m sick of “mothers” protecting the abuser instead is protecting their child. Constantly happens. I have stayed single and not dated for my daughter’s entire life, she’s 13 now. I’ve stayed single to keep her safe as children who reside in a home with a non biological male are 33x more likely to be abused.
It’s disgusting that she literally said “the sex stuff is okay, I believed him”
Way too many mothers choose their stupid boyfriends over their children, disgusting
They prioritize money in front of their children. My step mom stayed with my dad for 13 yrs and there were multiple accusations against my dad and I even told her i saw him looking at pictures of kids while i was younger but she stayed with him anyways. Didn't leave him til i was 14 and then he turned on me and i went to school and told them what he tried to do and they sent me to my mom in California. But everyone called me a liar and finally i found pics of what he was doing to his girlfriends granddaughter from diapers yil she was 5 and he ended up unaliving himself. I was 21 and pregnant with my 2nd child that was a girl and i said to myself if he hurt my daughter ever my husband would off him and then be in jail for his whole life. I prioritized my children and the little girl over my dad and it makes me sick that so many people just ignore it. This was in 2005. Im 39 now and i am so messed up for the things i found on his computer. It never goes away. You sound like an amazing mother and your daughter is so lucky to have such a big momma bear. Lots of love from Nashville.
I’m exactly the same, Peaches. My husb left my children/I for his married secretary (and her children) and it was so shocking plus all these cases everywhere, I refused to date. My kids are more important than ANY man or relationship. They deserve a parent who is solely dedicated to them & I have been that to them. Their father hasn’t seen them or spoke to them in 3 yrs. He calls the secretary’s kids “his replacement children” & THEY HAVE A BIO FATHER THAT LOVES those poor kids! The secretary is a SLUT & wanted our money and she got it! But I believe in KARMA‼️
Thank you to all the moms who put their kids first. I had a mother like that, & her kids & grandkids miss her every day. Just so y’all know your kids see your sacrifice & love you for it.
I have a lot to say... But I'm gonna keep it simple... Not once does she ever use the word love for MS...and when she talks about MS as just a body or a dumped body...there was no love for her daughter...
The sort of “distancing” speak could be part of her being in shock, but that is a remarkable observation on your part (that she didn’t say “love” in relation to Maddie once). 😢
Maddie became her female younger beautiful enemy! She shows no love or horror as to what Maddie went through!!!!!
I couldn’t even bring myself to utter the words dumped and body about my cherished children. I couldn’t get the words out but it just rolls off her tongue
@@Lesalyshe doesn't seem to be in shock at all. Doesn't matter when or who she's talking about Maddie to-- it's the same unemotional, detached language. I cannot IMAGINE being told my daughter was de@d and then continuously, throughout a LONG conversation, referring to my BABY as "a body" or "the body" SS "stashed" and "dumped".
@@kelliekriss2131 I tried to literally imagine it. Thinking and then forming those words in relation to my de@d child (putting myself in Jenn's shoes)...and then using those words over and over again...I can't. I can't even imagine it in my head, let alone utter those words!
she is so contradictory, when she was asked about why stephan and madeline running away together when she turned 18 was her biggest fear she said it was because her mom drilled into her that she cannot trust men at all, and that really stuck with her, but at 48:00 she is saying that she always assumed the best from him and the he wasn’t capable of doing such heinous things….
Paraphrasing. "I believed you when you said Stephen did sexual things to Maddy but I did not believe he could do something evil to her"... What is wrong with this woman?! I am angry.
She can’t admit sex stuff was evil
Was because she victimized Maddie too ! Full stop
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That was my main reaction to the video as well. Absolutely unbelievable.
I am thankful that this detective won’t let anything get by… he actually confronts her.
She even said at one point “the sex stuff was okay…” she just couldn’t believe he killed her.
@@followtheyellowbrickroad9671I think you have twisted the context that was said in. The detective even made a point of pulling her up on that.
Then the fact that she guesses MS could have been “drugged and choked” then even goes to name the meds he had access too….
This is her telling.
And the way she talks about her daughter as “the body “ and he probably “stashed” the body here, or “dumped” the body, or “move” the body… “he wanted to check he did a good job”
What mother speaks that way about her daughter? She is so disconnected.
Not a single tear talking about her dead daughter.
This detective is amazing! He cannot go see his own kids because he’s searching for hers! But, Jen is protecting the vile animal she allowed near her child!! 42:46
Mind 🤯 blowing
When I saw her comforting the creeper it told me everything about Both of them😮😮
She's revolting her tears are crocodile ...she's an evil lying monster every time she sighs she is about to lie she's just human garbage..poor poor Maddie it's just heartbreaking...
Wish these cops interviewed Nicole Kessinger 😢
Animals don't do this to each other, humans do. Humans do far worse to millions of animals each year.
@@carlyrennae3963 i agree, and she needs to be in jail too! Poor Madeline 🙏💕
I watch a boatload of police interrogations, I cannot applaud 👏🏻 this man enough for standing up for Maddie, being her advocate and continuously illustrating why Jenn is an awful mother and human to her own face. Thank you for not coddling her disgusting, pathetic excuse for a human.
I think one of the saddest parts of this case is the fact that absolutely nobody else besides total strangers have stood up for little Maddie…
I can’t get over her showing no concern for what happened to her daughter. If I’d been told my child hade been abused for years I’d have been hysterical! I’d be raging wanting to get my hands on him but she doesn’t seem fazed. She’s also not shown any concern for the fact that her daughter has most likely been murdered. I’d have to be sedated if that were my child. She only seems concerned about not looking guilty. That poor little girl 💔
The fact that her biggest and realest emotional reaction was when he was saying that what he did was kinda like cheating on her…. Is sick. THAT is what set her off!?!
I think he is in on the whole thing! I think she caught them together, or Maddie told her mom what was happening and Jen went nuts she went to talk to Stephan, and then went to bed in her drug induced stupor, and then Stephan killed Maddie for telling! I think she knew the whole time that baby was dead, and wee she was "dumped"!
@@katritter6482 all the questions about her missing a period make me worried that there is something there. I am not sure if she was actually involved, I do believe she was negligent, ignorant, and jealous of her daughter. I think she is responsible for serving her up, and not protecting her or stopping things…. I do not however believe that she hurt her… I think she ignored things because that was easier. Even if she didn’t hurt her or have direct knowledge of what was happening, she still had to have suspicions and she still was negligent.
Don’t raise your daughters right that’s what happens .
Single motherhood
@@JoeRogansForehead nah. That’s not single motherhood. That’s just a bad mom. There are plenty of those that are single and plenty of those who are married. I know many married moms that are jealous of their own kids…. But go off.
@@katritter6482No she been knew for a while because she's not upset about it. I believe she might have been pregnant, he had been abusing her since she was 8 y.o minimum of 4 yrs.
She enabled this. She deserves to be in prison, same as him.
@@atlasbonds6095 I totally agree the less enablers we have the less this crap will happen. And people will realize the parts they can play in ruining or destroying others peoples lives by having the cognitive ability to know right and wrong as a human being able to make choices and choose ignorance. It’s insidious and neglect. It makes me sick being a human sometimes.
I cannot believe what I'm hearing is coming from a MOTHER, poor girl had absolutely no chance of a good life. God bless her soul 😢
@Svjx that is no mother please don't refer that thing one ! Any animal can give birth !!!
“I believed the s*xual stuff, but I didn’t wanna believe that he had done anything evil to her. I’m like ‘what if he did this stuff? Fine. But what if she’s still missing out there”
Huh??? So, “the s*xual stuff” that he did to your little girl is not considered evil???
The detective who confronted Jenn on her inappropriate behavior and affect, said everything that most of us have been questioning since the event. the detective did his job well and I commend him for it.
My first date with my husband I said I like you, yes I’d like to go out again. But if you ever lay a hand on me, I’m not going to let you go. She is not an aggressive person, and neither am I. I mean what I say and I say what I mean. 37 years and we are so Happy still. No fights, just disagreeing
I freaking love this detective. He says everything we all wanted to be said. What a great guy.
Yes, I was feeling sorry for her, but she cries and stops like plugging on and off. I can't imagine not being hospitalized after learning what Stephen had done. The police would have to arrest me to not kill him with my own hands. She is crazy, or a very cold psychopath.
You said freaking. My favorite freaking word
@@laurenmay2098she smelled funny to me straight away.
@@laurenmay2098 at 20:27 ish.. I would have projectile vomited at the thought..
Sadly, I think this is a certain personality type ( perhaps a victim themselves), who the predators hone in on. She has normalized this crazy "snuggling/sleeping" to the point where she can't see how off it is. Not that she isn't to blame. She is a horrible mother & deserves to be punished
"There's more spots in North Port where she could be dumped." No inflection. No emotion, no tears, nothing. This is her CHILD. To most people, this is crazy. What is going on in her neurology that just makes her so nonchalant?? She's doing this fake sobbing and then stops abruptly and goes back to answering questions. This is so weird.
As a child victim of SA by my stepfather for 11 years, I can assure anyone that Madeline did NOT think she was having a 'relationship' or 'in love' with her abuser. She didn't believe she was 'dating' him, and if she thought that it's because he convinced her that's what it was but 100% she did not want that. She initially loved him as a father figure, and then she hated him for doing those things to her and was conflicted if the rest of the family thought he was wonderful. Her eyes clearly show her distress, depression, sadness.
It is beyond confusing to endure SA as an adolescent. You are trying to justify & articulate it in your adolescent mind & the answers do not exist there. 😭 I said my SA was consensual, that happened at 14 yo. Until I turned 20 I realized it wasn't at all. I was manipulated, groomed & Sa'd that is how I justified & dealt with it for years.
11 years is a huge part of childhood. Almost all of it. Step fathers can be so vital to a child’s upbringing if they are decent men but so often there are problems. I was asked to say goodbye to daddy when I was 8 and given a drunk for a new daddy soon after. Thankfully I was never SA’d and I know that elevates the damage to a whole other level but he hated me. So one left, one hated, and it took almost 50 years after that for me to like myself. I hope you are younger and you don’t waste time. Get the help you need to free yourself as soon as you can.
He was her Monster.
She has no Affect. . . No emotions or feelings or empathy. That is truly psychopathic.
She can’t even generate Fake tears.
I think that was an interview tactic on the part of the police detective. Please keep in mind that detectives tailor the way they speak to, and interrogate subjects in interviews, to provoke certain reactions or confessions. Never take their words in an interview as being fully representative of how they truly feel outside of the interview room. They train for these things.
The way she just said “I don’t know where he dumped her” no emotion 🫥 so strange
I said the same thing. Just imagine having that image in your mind. Never mind saying it out loud. Gut wrenching!!!!!!!!! She did not care about that child at all.
Detachment!
She’s an actress but definitely not a good one you could see right through her!!
No loving mother is going to refer to their missing daughter's body as being "dumped." However, a mother who is complicit in their daughter's abuse and death absolutely would use DUMPED!
Didn’t want Maddie
She so nonchalantly describes ways he “might” have killed her daughter. No grief. This is INSANE
Disgusting 😢 poor Maddie
Notice how she dropped the silly baby voice she's been using until now
When she said that she would have smelled something if her daughter was in her trunk and she didn’t, I felt like vomiting
I don't understand how a mother can sit there and only cry when they tell her She done something wrong as a mother, not that it happened to her daughter. That shrug when he said he treated her like he would treat the mother, it would take all I have as an investigator to not jump down her throat!
It’s weird too how she doesn’t know what he did to her daughter but ‘guesses’ so calmly and easily. She absolutely knows and thinks every one is stupid.
If I thought my daughter was dead, I'd be HYSTERICAL. And I don't even have a daughter.
I have a daughter, she’s seven, soon to be eight. Maddie was eight when the SA started. It makes me sick to my stomach. I can assure you, that if anything like this happened to my daughter, I would probably not be able to live on in this life. Even if you don’t have a child, you can just imagine the pain of losing one. If I lost my child I would take my life
@@elsab5782 STOP
I wouldn't be able to speak, walk, eat, nothing.
@elsab5782 I cried 😢 😭 reading your comment because you litteraly took my thoughts out of my head ! I feel the exact same way ...
I've cried so much for Maddie and I'm a stranger to her 😢
@@PhemeTellsexactly 💯 😭
People judge Women without children, go ahead! We Love our Nephews, Nieces, Baby Cousins beyond belief! Way more than This Mother!
Calling her daughter “a body” over and over is so telling.
agreed
I can't fathom how those words came out of her mouth over and over. How about her name, my child, my little girl, something that says I care, but there's nothing.
She should be charged as well. She even sent her girl to sleep in the same bed with that psychopath! How could she! SHE KNEW. All along she knew.
Absolutely!
i actually think its a lie, and the detective said that too at some point. He says "Maddie was killed on Sunday" and what Jen says "i sent them upstairs" its diversion. Jen never saw her daughter on sunday cause she was angry at her (not even a bday gift). She didnt care for Maddie anymore. Jealous. Stephan told her that he slept with Maddie upstairs, and then he told her that he left with the dog at 3am!!!
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Jenn’s display of upset emotions are completely 100% fictitious. She goes from “sobbing “ to talking matter of factly in two seconds . Honestly, it’s rather scary . Is she a sociopath? And her deep sighs when answering a question make me think it’s her unconscious “tell” that she’s lying .
What do Jenn’s family think of Jenn and all of this sleeping together.
She's the photographer
@SD0224 yess! That's what I just mentioned too! The way she was clenching her stomach to appear she's having a physically sickened reaction to what's been done to her child and then when he talks about something else she instantly moved on and shut off that "reaction" alarmingly fast and was onto the next lie.
@@Lucysmama-vq4sx ugh.
Fictitious? Cops believed her since she wasn't charged with anything.
I can’t believe what I’m seeing and hearing that happened to this poor child. I have a lot of Respect for these Detectives and the job that they have to do. I simply could not contain myself. 😞😡
She is involved... her lack of caring about her own daughter is despicable
you got that right
@@ecologics you are despicable to say such awful things. She is in so much pain. You are despicable
Overall, she's oddly calm.
I think she may have killed her or been there right after.
@@ksavage2563you are despicable.
This is why I don't remarry. Take care of your children!
Me too! Coming up on 5 years single! My children come first. My youngest is 4. Myself and my ex separated shortly before I found out I was pregnant. We co-parent and I'm single. He is dating someone but he is not allowed to have our 4 year old around her. I don't trust anyone! Women are just as evil as men when it comes to other people's children. There have been women who hurt their partners children.
She doesn’t seem to be able to be bothered with keeping her kid safe. I don’t think she would have chosen differently. She could have and she ignored it. This is so sad and thank God your kids have mothers like you.
Same here
@@danielleschiazza6172 good for you! If divorced parents were more like you children would be safer.
@@danielleschiazza6172I was just watching a case just like that. The victim was Gannon Stauch. So very sad.
She said it. “He choked her”And this was BEFORE they found her body and BEFORE the autopsy. She knows way more than she’s letting on.
And she mentioned he drugged her...and choked her and she thinks (knows) it happened sunday night
@@KristenNicole616 and then she said the stuff about the trunk. Ugh
timestamp timestamps please please this is crazy!
I remember her saying sunday night she is wild for that and notice how uncomfortable she gets explaining ss has a child relationship in high school it seems like a half truth possibly
She was in on it...she wanted him to get a lawyer so he wouldn't snitch on her.
I was doubting my own ears hearing that sexual abuse was OK but she didn't support the murder. I had to listen over to realise that the mother actually said that.
"You don't need a good memory when you tell the truth" always comes back to me watching stuff like this.
@@mycatsnameiskaren8253 judge Judy always says that ❤️
@mycatsnameiskaren8253 Actually, if u have cognitive dissonance, u could possibly get confused even if you are being honest. Innocent people can look guilty, guilty people can remember their lies because they believe them.
As someone with adhd i can tell you that's actually not true
As JUDGE JUDY ALWAYS SAYS!!!
@@dkg_gdk I also have adhd and I agree
It is not normal for a thirteen year old girl to be "snuggling" with her mother's boyfriend. This is weird. When women don't know how to function on their own in a healthy way, without needing to have someone around, they are putting their children at risk. She should be brought up on charges for abuse.
absolutely agree
Very well said
I think its normal for a 12/ 13 years old Kid. Thea are Not adults yet and still want to be cuddled Like a child Sometimes. But its Not normal for the parents to Go over any Border. They are grown and know whats inappropriate behaviour and where they have to Stop. So for me they both have to Go to prison for a Long Time.
She needs to be charged. No compassion for her.
Big time!
Right
Agreed
Some people are dumb, I didn't know my father abused my son when he was 3 years old. I came to find out when he was 24. It nearly destroyed me. Sometimes, you trust someone so much that u become blind. I see that in her. She did fail her daughter. Her mental illnesses put her daughter here, me, I trust it, my dad. Who would have thought my father, his grandfather who loved him so much, abused my son. I repeatedly told my children to tell me if anyone touched them to tell me. My son said mom there is a monster with yellow eyes at night, and I close my eyes and never see him again. I thought it was because I let them watch scare of the dark. I blamed me for so long, it nearly destroyed me because my dad had yellow eyes like honey. I didn't realize that till years, I took away scare of the dark. I kept them close, I just didn't know the monster was that close. My son became and alcoholic and a drug addict. I know why now. Sometimes, we just don't see. Maybe we are judging her wrong
She is innocent and doesn't need to be locked up. He murdered the little girl and drove around with her dead body. No normal good mum would think every guy is a child molester, or we would live in absolute fear. I have slept in bed with friends and children, and nobody ever thought that creepy. Yet a man who is playing a great role taking and dropping her daughter of and most probably spending more time with her child than I ever have my mates, yet I've shared a bed with kids they ain't mine., it's not that weird they shared a bed altogether. Yet now it is because everyone knows he is a creep.
Yet if this was a story about a happy ending, the step dad sleeping in the same bed wouldn't sound bad, and everyone would say how lovely that he raised someone else's kid. Mum wouldn't be shamed for sharing a bed.
Yet if she saw a photo of an image of her missing child doing what was said and her reaction wasn't to hurt him she deserves everything she gets
There is NO way I could sit and have this conversation - I would be freaking out that I needed to my child - I would be CRAZY bouncing off the walls thinking that my child was dead laying somewhere alone ! Her reference to her child as “the body” is such a tell time sign she is distancing herself of what she really knows
I never want to hear the word "snuggle" Or cuddle, EVER AGAIN! It has ruined it for me. He is such a creepy person.
😢😢😢it’s so crazy how much trauma this gives us just hearing n knowing now what happened. Yet the women who birth baby maddie shows nothing😢 I’m sick to my stomach😢💔
That's for sure, I can't stand to look at him!
Me neither,those words are a so triggering 😢smh shame on her smh she bassicly handed her to the nasty perverse pedo monster she needs to be held accountable
I have snuggle time with my dog but it ain’t like that!
He slept in his underware w her 9 yo dtr!!!! Un believable
“ I believed the sexual stuff but I didn’t want to believe he did anything evil “ 😅 as If sexually abusing a child ain’t evil enough. please put HER under the jail.
It’s very strange that she separates the “sexual stuff” from the “evil stuff”. Wow. She knew what was happening and just let it happen. Absolutely disgusting.
@@Lisa.pizzza yeah very creepy
She was put on the spot so had to come up with something to diminish the seriousness of the photos to explain why she wanted him to get a lawyer. That was her just winging it to try and get herself out of a corner. Just proves what a liar she is.
It's FINE 🤬
It's crazy to me she never mentioned maddie during this alot at all and when detective said we'll tell me what do you think happened and I think said she was drugged and choked and it happened sunday night and he carried her out the house. ..knowing what we now know that tells me she knows everything. If she didn't know about the SA she would've been way way more bothered finding out it happened as far as four years back.
She probably demanded a cut out of the proceeds
I’m so incredibly impressed with this detective. He showed so much patience. He asked her a question and whenever she answered he would repeat what she said and follow up with his next question on the topic at the time of the conversation. He was keeping her engaged. I feel sometimes detectives get ahead of their self and start asking question after question just trying to get more information with no follow up and most times the person being interrogated gets flustered and wants a lawyer at least from the stuff I’ve seen that’s just my opinion. Major respect for him for speaking for all of us and calling her out but still keeping his integrity.
She’s the type of woman that is so desperate and insecure that she’d choose a man over her own child. I believe she knows exactly what happened and where her daughter is. This is disgusting! I pray to our Lord the truth comes to light and babygirl gets the Justice she deserves.
Absolutely!! She knows one day not far from now she will pay her day will come justice will prevail. She’s truly a monster!!
U hit it right on the head. "Desperate and insecure"! And delusional!!🙄🤬
I’m so glad this detective told her everything we been thinking
“Where she could be dumped”…this bothers me. That phrasing is revolting. No compassion for her beautiful girl. Rest in Peace sweet girl…God has you. 💜
"dumped" and "stashed" are beyond bizarre language in the context of HER OWN DECEASED CHILD
@@sharp3727 the same words caught my ears.. dumped and stashed. Those words could never come out of my mouth in this situation. Shes not right in the head.
@@melissaw5626she glances at the camera when she’s crying interestingly she’s rubbing her hands like she’s getting something off them when she’s upset would love a body language person to go through this video I have my own views and they ain’t good on Jen. Poor maddie 💜💜
Amen🙏
@@sharp3727 well thats what he did. Truth is ugly sometimes
Finally, some real experts to weigh in. Fantastic 👍. Great channel
As someone who was sexually abused by my dad for almost my entire childhood...and to find out later that my mom knew about it but kept giving him second chances....this woman knew her boyfriend was abusing her daughter.
I'm so sorry😢
They weren't having sex. He was abusing her.
God bless you
Agreed !I experienced the same as you. My mom knew since I was 2 and never stepped in to stop or help.also told family members I was a habitual liar and convinced them I was a problem child.That I was like because I wanted to be with my real father.Which was also a lie because he sexually abused me as well.Needless to say I ran away starting at 12 and finally the state emancipated me at 16.i never told the truth the detectives figured it out and convinced the judge to release me.
@@rhiannonrose4841I hope you live you’re best life 🙏🏻. Don’t let them monsters destroy you please 💜🌷💐
She is too calm and well spoken for someone that just lost a child. She knew. God bless that poor child.
Exactly . And fake crying! Only when the Det. Get in her ass about lying !
Agree she's just so matter of fact and calm after "the tears" you'd think they were having a casual conversation 🤦♀️
Most moms would be catatonic after hearing that
IF GOD IS REAL THIS MONSTER HAS TO BE PRISONED FOR LIFE.
@@a_leafSHE AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY DID NOT SEARCH FOR MADELINE...AND THEY DID NOT ATTEND MADELINES FUNERAL. THAT IS ALL SHE WROTE. "LIFEINPRISONFROMDAORTHISISAJOKE
I enjoyed watching this detective tell her everything that we’ve all been thinking. She needs to be charged with abuse and neglect at the very least.
@@WorldofPeas right! And her body language- sitting on her hands, is a sign of hiding what you know.
Her constant sighing is getting on my nerves. It’s just bothering me that every time they ask about her DAUGHTER she sighs at them
The detective didn't "lose it" at all. He did an amazing job and caught her and called her out on all her BS. It's what so many of us wondered about.
I think I kind of love that detective. 😂
He definitely had enough of her bs and lost his sh** on her 😂
Me too.
1000% 🎯🎯🎯 to Detective Kevin. That is what Law Enforcement looks like. Kudos to him 💪🏼💪🏼👊🏼🙏🏼. JS doesn't show any emotion; I'm baffled by this.
@Pushindazees
I was waiting to see him lose it. I never saw it.
It's so obvious how she pretends to cry but then immediately goes into a perfectly calm conversation in which she's pretending to help them solve the murder. Disgusting.
I noticed that too. She turns it on and off .
Too late to cry and fake it now, the child is gone....poor little girl,
No she's telling it all if you just listen,,
Exactly. It shows she's feigning sadness which the detective actually referenced near the beginning of the interview. He told her that he'd seen the interviews she'd given to the media and news outlets and said her emotions, specifically the sadness, came across as superficial and not genuine.
My mum was calling me a prostitute when I was 11 years old! Cause I was growing and my stepfather was already lurking. I did not understand what he was doing cause I was an innocent and naive child. He did everthing to destroy me, and she is still with him enjoying retirement. I am still trying to trust people and its hard to do.
@@merhona3472 you are not alone…❤️❤️
❤❤❤ I’m so sorry that happened to you. I wish you the best healing journey
I know you know it’s not your fault-not only that -same happened to me-took me a long time to get it , he wasn’t doing it to me because he couldn’t see me. I finally got that and huge liberation . It’s a journey -I am no contact -that’s for sure
OMG I’m So Sorry For The Things You Had To Endure 😢😢😢
Omg you poor thing. Jesus
How is she not whailing just bawling her eyes out non-stop in this video!!!! How can she even talk in a normal tone at all?????😳Shocking!!!!!
Her eyes are never wet, no snot from her nose , Just fake weeping sounds !! 😮😮😮 ImO , Jen is worse than Casey Anthony !!
How is she not totally inconsolable? How is she even able to breathe knowing her daughter was horrifically abused and murdered??? Just HOW? 😡💔
Because she hated her. She told her she was going to kick her out. That is why Maddie wanted to go live in the woods.
Medication, lack of love
Jen just wanted to feel warm and fuzzy and sleep for half a day or more. That’s a dr*g problem.
Exactly .... HOW???
She recovers instantly from her sobs to suddenly speak normally which isnt possible
This woman is sick 😡Letting your daughter snuggle in bed with your boyfriend 🤬
Not normal at all. First of all, she shouldn’t have her daughter living with her boyfriend. He should have his own home. If they marry then that’s one thing but boyfriend isn’t a committed partner. Women need to put their kids first.
@pamelasmith6221 I disagree with your assessment of what a committed partner is/should be. There are multitudes of examples of "partners" being infinitely better at child rearing than biological parents. Point is, trash is trash and evil is evil and neither should have a hand in raising a child
@@tencentpistol1true ,I've watched many true crime videos with parents abusing their child to death and doing unspeakable things to them ,many of their ex's had loved those children and had tried to protect them from the evil parents . Marriage certainly doesn't change anything ,if they are evil ,a marriage certificate certainly doesn't change it .
@@pamelasmith6221I don't agree with all you said except that women should put their children first ,all parents should ,there's been many cases of a fathers girlfriend r wife abusing the man's child and killing them ,it's not just the mother that needs to put her child first ,every parent should ,no one should ever hurt a child ,ever .
I am a man and as a man I would never want to snuggle my girlfriend's daughter!
Jenn is a monster too. She let a predator in, turned her back to the abuse, served her daughter up for him because she was jealous of her own daughter
Yes, she was, that is spot on!!
Jen is a great example of how and why co-dependent, enabling people are so dangerous.
Stefan's mother mentioned during ( I think ) a jailhouse conversation with her son that Jen had been "serving her daughter up" ( my words not hers ) to other men since she was young and there were a lot of things going on in that house that shouldn't have.
Where was the family?
Why didn't any of them step in and do something?
SMH
I just don't get it.
YUP and “turned her back” is being generous. I haven’t gotten through this whole audio, but in one of her police interviews she is asked about her text to Stephan “Maddy’s no longer sleeping with me I can’t risk it,” and when asked what that text meant, she said “I have no idea.” I cannot for the life of me think of ANY reasonable explanation of what she could have been referring to. she not only turned her back, she FULL WELL KNEW and did nothing. I’ll never understand. Having a child should be a privilege and not a right. Maddy deserved so much better on so many levels. Even hearing the details of her being so sleepy and so anxious and struggling in school, yet still powering on and trying to navigate everything that comes with adolescence in this day and age ON HER OWN, in spite of the horrific hell that her home life was, shatters my heart. And we’ll never know, but I’ll go out on a limb and say that Maddy would have confided in her “mother” if she felt like Jen would be of any help. I can’t imagine how alone this innocent girl felt in this world.
Yes I can’t risk it wtf 🤬
She definitely knew, there is NO way that this has been going on for years and she was never aware.
The way she behaves around this whole thing, how she refers to her daughter as "the body", her mentioning her daughter's body as being "stashed" as if she was talking about old furniture, her calling Stephan's parents telling them that their son should lawyer up after she was told that there was material of him abusing her daughter on his phone still trying to defend him.......just everything rings the alarm bells of her not only being involved but enabling, allowing, covering the abuse and possibly being involved in her murder. This is too sad and infuriating
Like, HOW DO YOU THINK IS NORMAL FOR YOUR DAUGHTER TO "SNUGGLE" WITH YOUR BOYFRIEND!?
OR HOW IS IT THAT YOU RENT ROOMS FROM YOUR HOUSE BUT HER "ROOM" IS A SMALL SPACE WITH A PARTITION CLOSE TO THE LIVING ROOM AND SEND YOUR BOYFRIEND (and even when they were no longer in a relationship) TO SLEEP WITH YOUR DAUGHTER ALONE BECAUSE YOU'RE TIRED!?
Nah, she knew and didn't even care at all to keep a man close to her
at a MINIMUM this woman needs to be charged with child neglect.
And endangerment
Exactly! She should take on his same charges. So disturbing
I do not get why JS is not locked up. They have her on video saying she sent her daughter to sleep with a 37 year old man and he killed her. This woman did not protect her child for years.
I’d think sex trafficking would be appropriate because mom gave her child to a sexual predator in order to keep him in mom’s life. That’s the transaction.
She’d rather have child raped repeatedly in her own bed than be alone.
That she offered him a lawyer after seeing that photo means she’s just as sick and twisted as he is. Maybe even worse because she had to overcome the natural instinct of a mother to protect her child’s even with their own life if necessary, in order to facilitate a situation that allowed him to easily abuse and then murder her daughter, and to then help him cover it up.
Omg, this evil person needs to be put behind bars. She's sick, does she hear herself. Rest in peace, Madeline 🙏
The fact that she is okay with seeing oral sex photos but just knew he didn't kill her so he needs a lawyer. Oh my!
Seriously. SA of a child should alone be enough to get the death penalty. If I saw that shit he would need a coroner, not a lawyer. 😡🤬
@@MissVictressExactly!!
@@MissVictressif they ever found his body..that is! Uuugghh
If he did this to her fine..... WTFF??????? Put this woman in prison. Never let her have any more kids. DISGUSTING!! What is with people these days. It's getting really bad.
This cop is 100% right, she is protecting him. Her first instinct is to make excuses and to protect him over her daughter. She has shown no emotion towards her daughter. She even asked how long would he go to prison in one interview. She deserves to be in prison for neglecting her daughter.
And to anything that incriminates her she says 'I don't remember' it's calculated
I’d argue that she was actively endangering Maddie. ☹️
"the body"
She's doing more than protecting him I believe she was there when Maddie was murdered if she didn't do it herself. She's very strange and tried to be manipulative but she's not good at it.
It's doubtful that Jenn would have believed Madeline if she did tell her, and it is possible that Madeline told her some of what was going on. However, Madeline probably knew that Jenn would protect Stephan first.
The way she said “stashed her” “dumped her body” she is so emotionally disconnected from her own child. I wouldn’t even be able to speak or reference my child in such a way. Angering.
I’m stunned by this footage. Thank you so much for posting it. It fleshes out Jenn Soto’s thought processes (or lack there of.) It’s as if she has been living an entirely unexamined life - a life in a fugue state. Her obliviousness actually frightens me.
You described it perfectly. JS is utterly baffling in her demeanor and I agree as you stated that she appears to be functioning in a “fugue state”…not at ALL like a loving and compassionate, terrified mother worrying for her missing and believed to be murdered daughter. She is clearly withholding information and feigning any true concern for her daughter. She seems too dim-witted to maintain any believable excuse as to why she had zero suspicion of SA, while describing the predatory grooming behavior both she and SS committed against poor sweet Maddie. Even after learning of the SA, JS is unable to summon the ability to even fake an appropriate response. It’s unthinkable what that child endured. May justice and karmic retribution haunt those two evil souls for the rest of eternity.
Amazing how she stops crying when she defends her actions.
The fake crying stops so abruptly and she goes back to a normal voice….something is off with this woman!
A normal mother
That seems like pretty normal behavior. Her brain is going a million miles an hour, she hadn't given up all hope at that point. Plus, she had to be aware and in her right mind enough to answer his questions. Her emotions were all over the place.
Not fake geez
All she really cares about is herself.
She only has crocodile 🐊 tears with fake feelings for her she didn't seemed to have cared for her own kid, she had her smile and nose her own flesh and blood, she seemed to have cared more about her man more than she did her own flesh and blood kid she probably didn't want to lose him and offered her to him.