Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, Part 1 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this Patreon-sponsored episode, Linkara looks at the legendary Dark Knight Returns!
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Originally released April 28th, 2021.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: Dissecting this comic in the mudhole/operating table.
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7:39 "Gotham is facing a massive heat wave, that in turn is leading into a crime wave."
So all this time... Mr. Freeze was the True Hero that Gotham both Needed AND Deserved.
Who'd have guessed?
If we want someone to face a massive *Heat Wave* , then a gigantic *Captain Cold* would fit the role better...
All right everyone! CHILL.
@@DGilVidsI mean what killed the dinosaurs? DE ICE AGE
@@DGilVids Schumacher Freeze's redemption moment right there.
Holy cow, his enemy is _actually_ One-Face.
"At least both sides match now, right?" Yeah. Not so funny anymore, is it?
A joke that went too far.
BY GOD.
AND HE'S DISTRIBUTING EVIL VHS TAAAAAAPES!
@@jameshowlett5106 OF ROCK AND ROLL CONCERTS !!!!!!!
“Master Bruce, Whatever happened to your mustache?”
“...Alfred, it escaped!”
So that’s why Earth-2 Golden Age Batman died. He retired without keeping tabs on his greatest foe: a killer stache.
Makes more sense than his actual death...
Finally! An explanation that makes sense! 😆
"Look, Alfred, I'm contracted for another comic series, so we had to CGI it out."
Talk about keeping your enemies closer.
Seems legit
Re, the Pearl Harbor metaphor - the person who made that "hard choice for the greater good" was the President. We choose the President in part to make choices like that, and Presidents are, at least in theory, accountable to us. No one elected Batman. It's the same reason why Batman can't kill. Society hasn't given him that authority, as it has to judges, who are, again, accountable to the people.
E-xa-ctly! Someone finally said it!
@@vaggos2003 i want to argue in that 'sometimes ends justifies the means" but i have no counter point that doesn't make sound like fascist so let meet halfway: lenience should be offered, not the kangaroo court of public opinion. Judge the case with hindsight by those who truly understand the subject and see if it ultimately did more harm than good, if it does, let the man go.
@MasterCode86 But how do we determine who truly understands the subject? 🤔
@adamdavis1648
Unfortunately, that'll never happen.
I got to say that Miller was right in regards to Jason Todd's death. Having hotlines for people to vote on whether a teenager lives or dies is, in hindsight, an absurdly cynical move on DC's part.
Yeah, but he got better and he's awesome now. Shame he had to die first for it though. Poor Jaybird...
I might not agree with Miller on a lot of things, but it's nice to see he has _some_ standards...
That's one of the reasons I love Brat Pack, dark and brutal as it is. The whole thing starts with a radio show jokingly having a vote as to whether the teenage sidekicks of the city's superheroes should die... only for the main villain to reveal he started the vote, murdering the teenagers and holding the whole city in some ways accountable for it.
It's a great read if you want something unflinchingly and brutally dark
It's something I'm conflicted over myself. Like at the time Jason Todd was really unpopular in the fandom but a minority of writers and fans really liked Jason Todd from all I've picked up on it. The idea of throwing out the story to a bit of democracy was fair enough as I see it. You have a very contentious point and compared to things like: "Lets reboot the entire setting so we can do things like make Starfire a Sexual Goldfish" and all... well I appreciate they cared enough to actually ask before just ham fisting it. But it also had a problem of the fact that the poll got more popular than the comics at the time. With a lot of people thinking it was a poll to kill Dick Grayson, Age 12, not even knowing who Jason Todd actually was because Jason Todd never entered mainstream pop culture, or why anyone would want him gone.
Though some things in the eventual fallout of the event that were checkered. It came out with probably my favorite Robin after all, Tim Drake. But it also started the point of The Joker going all the way Murdering Psychopath Without Jokes sort of stuff...
nowadays we have twitter for that
Miller said Jason's death was the most cynical thing in comics? That's some weapons grade irony right there.
That was in 1991, so there might have been worse in his eyes since.
In fairness, I don't think Frank Miller ever made any writing decisions by phone poll.
He's out of line, but hes right
Hypocrite has a point in this case.
Showing your fans the brutal death of a hated character for publicity or even just for lols is always kinda cynical.
Oh my god, that’s why Joker is so evil! He’s lost his Air Conditioning!
No worse deathstroke murdered it!
If heat really was the cause of violent crime, then Mr. Freeze should've been a hero for cooling the city down.
Yeah. He needs to teach everyone to just Netflix and chill.
@@KertaDrake Schwarzenegger would be proud
this also explains pretty much all of florida.
between One More Day, Holy Terror and this, Linkara's one goofy comic panel away from his own Ministry of Silly Walks.
That or a Kazotsky Kick variant.
Atop The Fourth Wall's Flying Cir-cus!
@@JakNekon
Lew-is Luvhaug’s flying cir-cus!
And now for something completely different.
9:45 I believe you misread the scene where the two Mutants decide not to kill Bruce Wayne because they "Can't do murders when they're into it", they didn't back off killing him because he was willing to fight back; they decided not to kill him because Bruce WANTED to die; and it took away all the fun. Bruce's pose isn't of somebody ready to deliver an ass-whupping, the way he's kneeling and his arms are folded shows he's all like, "Let it come. Just get this over with, I no longer have the will to fight back anymore.". This tracks with Bruce's character arc, during his fiery crash during the drag race in Issue#1; he says, "This would be a good death... but not good enough." By this point in the story Bruce is tired old man with a death wish who has lost all purpose in life, and by the end of Issue#4 he has found a new lease on life when he speaks the last lines in the story: "This will be a good life. Good enough."
Although given the mindset of the mutants, that would still make the murder weird in their eyes.
So, its kind of like in the 1989 Batman movie when Bruce challenges the Joker and his goons to a fight within Vicky Vale's apartment?
@@MattEldritchHorror Not really like that, Bruce wanted the Joker to think he was dead so wouldn't see him or a romantic rival for Vicki's affections; and he had that metal tray that was somehow strong enough to stop a bullet tucked in his clothes.
@@DoctorPretorious616 I mean, it's a little bit of a stretch, at that close a range, but it wasn't a particularly powerful gun, and it only fired .22 caliber rounds, so I can let it slide.
@@DoctorPretorious616tiny short 22 possibly
Meanwhile Starfire is starring at Linkara doing the sneaking bit and thinking "Daddy, you're scaring me".
That or "when's lunch", who can say?
I forgot one of his cats is named Starrier, I got confused.
@@wallerwa4 It's Starfire and Cheiri (sp?), I believe.
Batman: The Dab Knight Returns
Damb you batman who dabs
Batman who laughs:you called me
Me:no but you can help me fight batman who dabs
Batman who laughs:ahhhhh hell no
Me:will fuck
Batman who dabs:dabs me to death
@@pakspider6482 what
"Alfred, I've invented Dabbing!"
I audibly cackled
Linkara: Some will do horrible things in the name of a greater good.
NWA: The greater good!
Linkara: Shut it!
Thanks to that movie we are now all biologically compelled to say "The greater good" everytime someone says "The greater good"
@@Vesperitis I agree with that "The Greater good"
@@Vesperitis I know, it's like Pavlov's dog. I can't help myself.
My mind goes to the T'au of Warhammer 40K.
IIRC, the animated movie had Batman shoot the mutant’s hand with the gun to make it blatantly obvious that he didn’t kill the guy.
Correct. One advantage of the animated movie over the comic is it clears up a lot of the confusing moments that were poorly drawn.
@@brandonkrol Movie(s).
@@dvader518 That’s right. I keep forgetting it was originally released as a two-parter because I have the deluxe edition which combines both parts into one 2 & 1/2 hour movie.
I find it particularly odd that Bruce would ever describe any of the Robins as a soldier when they were all, and famously so, like his children to him.
bruce having like 10 kids is the best thing about him, they were never soldiers
That's why Batman and his fellow Gotham heroes are called the BATFAMILY, not the BAT ARMY.
@@BigAmericanGirlFan
semi-related, but this is kinda another thing i dislike about the dcau epilogue (i think this scene was in epilogue), where he says the rest of the bat family just "didn't have their heart in the mission." or something stupid like that.
god i hate that episode.
@@BigAmericanGirlFan THIS. THIS SO MUCH.👏
@@alimowla3204 I enjoy Batman Beyond and the DCAU as a whole, but it's treatment of Batman's end of the road leaves a lot to be desired.
He becomes so cynical and jaded that he effectively pushed all his allies away and was living as a grouchy old man until Terry came along. Now I do like Terry McGinnis as a character and the mentor-apprentice dynamic he shared with Bruce, it's just getting to that point that I had a problem with.
And then they revealed that Terry was Bruce's biological son and as such was always destined to be the next Batman (screw Dick I guess) and I guess that Amanda Waller counted on Terry and Bruce having a chance encounter in the future. Boy that would have been awkward on Amanda's part if that never happened. Also, speaking of screw Dick, there was that whole relationship between Bruce and Barbara which... yeah...
At least the Ace stuff was good...
What’s funny about the pearls is it looks like Miller DID remember the knots in the panels.
Sees Dr. Crafty leaving card:
Batman: You've been a good soldier, a Good Soldier
Tony: We are NOT soldiers.
"You were good son, real good, maybe even the best"
@@zionkraze9965 I've got Soul, but I'm not a Soldier! ^^
F
Double F
It is Reagan. They even show his face later in the book and he is clearly Reagan. They don't say his name, but it's him, kinda like how in Flashpoint we see Barack Obama a few times.
Who knew Reagan sounded a lot like Mr. Burns fron Simpsons?
@@jonbrewer297 sounds like a psychopath or an actor
Honestly both are kind of needed for politics
@@jordanhunter3375watch his speech and you'll see similarities
[Standing ovation for DrCrafty’s years of service to AT4W]
Thanks, Doc. You were enjoyed.
Did...something happen?
@@jordanhunter3375 he’s stopping making the thumbnails to focus on his own work
Whew, that post had me fearing the worst
@@katherineperrin4817 wait, so this thumbnail is truly his last atop the fourth wall thumbnail for a time?
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Seems to be. We don’t know if he’ll come back in a few years but this seems to be his final one. I guess Linkara’s going to look for another artist for upcoming episodes.
24:38 Fun fact: In the Batman TAS episode that Linkara mentioned when talking about Carrie Kelley, TDKR Batman is voiced by Michael Ironside who also voiced Darkseid in Superman TAS.
Legends of the Dark Knight.
Kinda shocked Snyder didn't shoehorn Carrie Kelly into Batman V Superman.
@@Rabbitlord108 She was a sniper in the Knightmare scene. Personally carrie should've been the kid bruce saves in the opening. He would her and she'd get an arc where she helps bruce remember what Batman is supposed to be and becomes Robin by the end of the film to help the Trinity fight doomsday.
@@Smashboi76 Okay. Still not as bad as axing Jimmy Olson not long after introducing him.
He also played General Lane in Smallville
7:39
"Gotham is facing a massive heat wave, that in turn is leading into a crime wave"
Predator: *Distant Roaring*
Batman: here we go again
When _(Insert Marvel Character Here)_ VS Predator?
_He says whilst glaring at Disney who keep pimping out Star Wars and MCU like a brothel so clearly they have a taste for making gangbusters money._
@@TeryJones If they don't do a *Wolverine vs Predator* comic so help me God...
@@solumanblevins5906 Hells yeah....
But if not a comic, at the very least Batinthesun made a video on that...
th-cam.com/video/s3wDj7bYve0/w-d-xo.html
@@solumanblevins5906 it usually takes a bit for something like that to happen even after the buyout. But definitely something at least one writer at marvel have.
I think the only stories DC remembers are Watchmen, DKR, the Sandman, Injustice, and the Death of Superman.
you forgot the killing joke
@@209clayton not really, Killing Joke is deemed the template for Joker stories. Not for all Batman stories. But the fact that the Joker movie wasn’t really like Killing Joke shows that there is more to do with this character.
@@yourfavoritegames4971 eh, they still kept the idea of him being a nobody failed comedian who went made after seeing the darkness in the world (though admittedly he already had a mental illness in the film, where the comic isn’t specified).
@Darth_ Madara In the comics yes, but that’s mostly because Scott Snyder has written most of DC’s big events for the last few years. It has no reflection in the movies or tv
What about Death in the Family
BEHOLD! THE PUREST WARRIOR!
Me: I’ll proceed to die because of cuteness, thank you very much
So cute 🥰
17:17 “The price is five million dollars. I would have made it two - - but I’ve got bills to pay . . .”
The return of the Joker and apparently Two-Face's great enemy... the IRS!
@@jakepalermo9181 DUN DUN DUUUUUUN!!!
I find it adorable how your cat's gaze followed you as you were doing your hunched walk. ^_^
17:40 it was always my interpretation of the scene that Two-Face's scarred side was actually the "good" side. The "clean" side was basically his resentment of losing his power and status as district attorney and thus by becoming symmetric again it only caused him to spiral deeper than previously...
That's a cool interpretation I never hear much about. Thanks!
Who knows? Maybe if they made the scarred side even, they could've made him sane again. Obviously he'd be shunned from society for being disfigured but it's better than the alternative...
@@grantmoore8228 Nah...he'd just become One-Face!
I've always loved that Interpretation.
"We never faced anything like this... We only fought humans..." Seriously? The guy who looks like a rejected He-Man villain is more unsettling than the zombie named after a nursery rhyme? More unnerving than the New Gods of Apokolips? More out-there than facing an immortal sorceress from Arthurian legend?
Or the guy made entirely of shapeshifting clay? Or the dude that freezes people alive? Or the mob boss obsessed with torture?
And even one face!?
We only ever fought humans. Isn't that right Clayface?
When it came to the moustache I was expecting a little jab at the naff digital moustache erasure from the Justice League film but "Alfred; it's escaped!" really cracked me up.
Something that wasn’t mentioned in the review was that Commissioner Gordon was there right before the Mayor was murdered, causing him to feel guilty for being unable to stop it before it was too late.
Also, I like how when Bruce goes walking in Gotham, he kind of looks like a bulkier Edgar Allen Poe, and I like that touch.
Something something Lost Lenore...
Never made that connection but it does add up. Nice.
@@nickasaro8789 I don’t know if it was intentional, but it’s great nevertheless.
-Say the line,lewis.
-Say....is miller time
-YEAAAAHHH
8:18 The whole “Batman as Urban Myth” is something the character has NEVER lived down.
"The Waynes were cheapskates"
Why else would they walk down a place called CRIME ALLEY in the dead of night instead of driving?
It wasn’t called Crime Alley till their death
So, if Batman gave the mutant leader a Snickers, would he turn back into Mr. T?
@@painvillegaming4119
Batman, Mr T and Alfred vs Stu Roid, Crazy Steve and One Face...now there’s an idea with potential.
I know some have talked about Dick Grayson becoming the Joker in Dark Knight II, but no one I’ve seen has asked this question: WHY THE HECK IS HE DRESSED LIKE COSMIC BOY FROM THE LEGION OF SUPERHEROES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
@@jonbrewer297 that would actually be kind of interesting. The question would be though, why is he there, and why did he choose Dick Grayson as The Joker?!?!
@@jonbrewer297
I thought an alternate Barbra Gordon was the time trapper?
25:35 Huh. I didn't know this was the 700th episode.
To those who don't get the joke, watch the 200th and 300th episodes and look for the ''silly walk with funny music'' scenes.
I mean, at least he's not doing as DC actually did when they talked about Jason after his death. "He was the wrong sort to be Robin." and Dick bouncing back constantly between "He was dumb, never knew what he was doing and disobeying you." and "That's what Jason never got. It's Robin's job to disobey Batman."
In all fairness, "He was a good soldier, he honored me." is far better than "If I didn't make him Robin. He'd grown up to do bad."
Then hypocrisy came a knocking in the form of Damian killing The Spook and tried to kill Tim Drake
@@SuperWolsey It's because Jason was the bad robin. I mean he only... ... ... ... and then they retconned in a time he used a gun.
Such a bad kid. He also cared about his grades. Does this bad boy know no bounds?
Next thing he'll be buying Bruce a father's day gift! If he hadn't been killed first.
@@deterlanglytone and O'Neil should've let Collins stay on the book longer to flesh the relationship further before entertaining the idea of letting Starlin's anti-sidekick gag get hold
Yeah, that shit killed _a lot_ of sympathy I had for the Bats. I still call bullshit on Jason wanting to reconcile with these guys, to be honest.
I'll just add Batman vs. Mr. T to things I never knew I needed...
That alone needs a Mr. T trading card.
I'm guessing by the title card, this will be the last piece of art done by Dr Crafty for the channel. With the new theme song lyrics, the lack of copyrighted songs at the beginning and now this, it feels like this show is starting to grow up... Fitting that this is happening during a review of Dark Knight Returns : P
Yeah, he posted on Twitter he’d like to focus on his own show. He’s leaving on good terms and will still be the voice of Pollo according to that post.
I wouldn’t say growing up, but changing.
@@daelen.cclark Changing for the better especially with how TH-cam continues to make things harder for creators in terms of copyright.
Love how the cat’s just staring at Lewis while he runs like, “What the hell is this guy doing?”
"ALFRED! I'VE INVENTED DABBING!
I've always thought Batman referring to his partners as his "soldiers" was his way of putting emotional barriers around himself to hide his vulnerability. He hasn't been truly vulnerable since his parents were killed, so he tries to distance himself from his closest friends and allies so he doesn't have to feel that kind of pain ever again. I think he truly thinks highly of his friends, probably even going so far as to call them his family, but he either won't or just doesn't know how to express that after years of dealing with some of the worst of humanity.
But keep in mind, I'm only referring to Dark Knight Returns Batman. I don't consider DKSA or Crazy Steve & Robin to be in the same canon.
Hell, in this comic, Batman outright says that the "Batmobile" name was something Dick Grayson came up with, doesn't he? Instead of The Goddamn Batman calling it the Goddamn Batmobile from the outset
@@Ryu1ifyso it’s literally a contradiction! Miller made it impossible to shape continuity with ASBAR, thank you sir
@@gabrieldevoogel6225 Glad to be of service o7
"While xylophone music play..."
Cuts to fiddle music...
That was just to keep it consistent with the other times I've had silly walks - 200th and 300th episodes in particular.
About Batman shooting at the mutant:
Granted, you can’t see the target’s eyes, but the mouth gives the impression that the mutant is in a state of shock - aghast at the very idea that *anyone* would fire bullets near her, much less Batman with a five-round burst from a machine gun.
One of the things that Miller brought in here is the idea that, even though Batman hates guns, he *does* know how to use them and actually has fire discipline. As in, he can place a shot pretty close to the target without actually hitting it, on purpose. It’s one of the reasons why the picture of him carrying a rifle is a shock, even though it’s revealed it’s a piton gun.
Miller’s Batmobile design has also been influential on future portrayals due to its quasi-military nature (see Christopher Nolan’s Tumbler).
Batman´s last case? So this is where he gets that ridiculous Expunger gun from Superman at Earth´s End?
Probably stole it from the mutants....juuuuuust i case
@@sarafontanini7051 It sure looks like something the Mutants would use
Funny, there's a word for youth following knights in their quest: squires. Your analogy's on point, and Robin as a squire to Batman's knight seems so logical I feel dumb for not thinking about it earlier.
ALFRED! IT'S ESCAPED!
I'm not saying it's replacing too much pudding as my favorite joke, but this is definitely making the list.
In what other videos was the too much pudding joke from?
@@DinoDave150 That would be Ultimates 3.
Now I'm picturing some goofy silver age nonsense about the Bat Stache
@@DGilVids Oh yeah, I remember that one. That had me cackling like a hyena!😂
For any fans of The Batman cartoon- Commissioner Yindel’s where Ellen Yin’s character sort of came from.
You sir, have the best Avatar pic of all times. Groovy
Odd considering how different they are. Ellen feels more like Rachel from the Nolan movies than Yindel.
@@kingofthegundam7974 Actually, she is closer to Elisa Maza from Gargoyles, which is obvious from her design.
@@buchiklop110 I didn't consider that, that's probably true.
IIRC she's a stand in for Renee Montoya--I think it's because DC had plans for Montoya's character in the _Dark Knight_ movies or something and they didn't to cause confusion. I dunno.
It's not a matter of if there's going to be a One-Face reference, but a matter of when.
12:04 "I'M NOT BATMAN!"
"...I'm batman."
I believe that this comic introduced the idea of Bruce and his parents going to the theater to see The Mark of Zorro the night Thomas and Martha were killed
It's truly impressive that you went nearly a half hour without calling them "Cyclops glasses"!
"Gotham is facing a massive heat wave, that in turn is leading into a crime wave"
*Sings a few bars of Hot in The City*
Headcanon that Marta Wayne's Pearl necklace was a fake made by kid Bruce for her and she was wearing to the movies to make him happy.
"Alfred! Its escaped" is one of my favorite lines of yours now xD
Ah, the comic that simultaneously "saved" and ruined Batman
Wow, that's... that's really accurate as a statement.
This story didn't ruin Batman you can blame the editors or writers who don't get batman
@@Obscure_man31 I get the point, but there´s always bad editors and writers who don´t get a character. This story, regardless of the quality, is the inflection point
that shifted Batman from a heroic dark detective to a paranoic paramilitary violent vigilante
@@comithologia I mean, to me, the real Batman will always be the former - the Heroic Dark Detective - no matter what BS Writers try and have tried to pull.
Batman is my favorite Superhero of all time. But that's just the Point: My favorite SuperHERO.
Batman as a paranoid paramilitary violent Vigilante, as you called it, worked for me in ONE Story: Infinite Crisis and the lead-up to it. Mostly because 1., we got some actually justifiable Reasons for him being paranoid and 2., the entire Point of his Arc in this was realizing he had gone too far, admitting that he had gone too far and had been wrong both to himself and others and resolving to do better in the Future (even if Future Writers screwed the pooch on that one).
The Batman who trusts those he considers Friends and Family. The Batman who honestly calls Clark Kent/Superman his best Friend. The Batman who confronts Problems and solves them through legitimate cleverness and resourcefulness, not just because he's DA BEST EBAR!!! The Batman who is both capable and willing to work with his fellow Heroes. The Batman who, when confronted with a dying psychic Girl that threatens to destroy the World in her death throes, sits down next to her to soothe her mind and keep her company until the end. And the Batman who tries all in his Power, both in Costume and as Bruce Wayne, to genuinely make the World a better place in both big and small ways, even while risking his very life, soul and sanity.
THAT is what Batman will always be to me. Dumbass Writers and Editors and moronic Stories exalting Violence, Edgyness and the ABHORRENT concept of the "Bat-God" be damned.
@@alexandersturnn4530 Heck yeah, you´re absolutely right but unfortunately I feel that whe got less and less of that Batman as the time passed. Altough I actively don´t know, I stopped reading most comics when the New 52 happened, I came back to some for the 1st year of Rebirth but I dropped again
The movie version of TDKR removes Gordon killing the people attacking him.
A wise change. I don’t think Killing a kid even if the kid was attacking him is within Gordon’s moral compass at all.
it’s in the animated movie they say he killed a teenaged mutant gang member in the store he was at.
I rather like the movie adaptations.
Cool Kamen rider wizard profile picture
No he still kills him.
First: See ya later Dr. Crafty, thank you for all the art all these years and best of luck in your future endeavors! Also looking forward to seeing Viga's title cards. :D
Second: Love you bringing in as many running Batman gags as possible. Now we just a reference to OnStar and poodles.
12:33 You know I don’t think I’ve ever called a bat cute before.
Honestly, the mutants leader voice as Mr. T sounds suspiciously fitting to me.
12:30 AAAAAAWWWWWWWWW, ITS SO CU---(proceeds to be suddenly wingslapped by The Purest Warrior)
Why am I reminded of the time Misty first picked up a Vulpix?
@@DGilVids Hah! I remember!
If you noticed in one panel (18:27). That kid Gordon shot had a long ranged weapon. It’s clearly not a hand gun. That kid walked up to a veteran police office wearing the clothing of a well known gang, and carrying a big gun. Now what the book is saying about the subject of self-defence is up for debate. But in the context of the story, Jim was well within his rights to defend himself.
I wish there were more people who appreciated Carrie, she’s one of my favorite parts of the story- and like you said I just wish her personality and character were developed more. She’s inspired me a lot and I wish she would get some more recognition
All art is political and all art is commercial. This is an undeniable fact of humanity. Art sells ideas, even a drawing of "Little Debbie" is trying to sell you an idea; the idea that kids will enjoy sweet treats. However, unless an artist is using their work to preach a political idea, the artist has the right to not have their work used as a political cudgel. Some art is created to be pure escapism, and if it is earnestly trying to only be that, let it be that.
That said, however, you're not wrong for reading DKR via a political lens. Frank has never written pure escapism. He has always used his art to preach political ideas.
Batman: How do you do, fellow kids! Optic Blast!
Mad respect for that Garth Marenghi reference.
12:23 genuinely the best joke I've seen in a comic book TH-cam video
Hard to remember he was that good at a time. Now I just remember him as the ‘ASBAR/Holy Terror guy’. I can see why people remember this story, it is essentially like a Batman-Watchmen, especially since they kept the 80s setting in the adaptation, despite that being years later. What’s interesting, this Batman’s about old enough to be born in 1939.
This comic tends to big inspirations for new coming storytellers, Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan each took inspiration (especially in The Dark Knight Rises).
"As new Mayor of Gotham, I promise to install Central Air in every home! A Vote for Freeze is a vote for Gotham to cool it!"
28:30 it makes more sense when you stop thinking of batman as the hero of the story and more like a lesser evil. something you run with because you dont have any other option at the moment but that you should definitely be questioning.
As I understand it, it's mostly violent crime that explodes during heatwaves. People get grouchy in the heat.
Fun fact: Kidneystones are also made more common by heatwaves. This has _nothing_ to do with Batman.
6:25 Alfred: "Your arm is a bit too far away from your face sir."
13:47
I like how in the cartoon when he keeps flipping through the channels, he eventually lands on a channel of him watching the television that freaks him out for a second.
I just noticed that Carrie Kelly and Commissioner Yindel look very similar to each other. Similar hair colors, similar hair styles, wears glasses. I kinda wish they were Mother and Daughter because their relationship and contrasting views of justice would make them more interesting as characters, especially when they end up meeting in DK3. I'm also surprised that Carrie hasn't become a part of the main DC Universe yet. I'm still waiting for her to appear in the Batman Beyond comics and reveal to Terry that she was Bruce's original successor after he retired or something. Maybe DC doesn't have the rights or Frank Miller won't let them. Either way they'll do it eventually.
They DID introduce her at one point in the Batman books in the last several years, but never did anything with her.
Thought he'd finish The Dark Knights 3 before getting to this. You know round out the trilogy.
Bruce calling his sidekicks (specifically, Dick, as he was the only one for decades) does actually date back to a single use in a Golden Age... but, yeah. This popularized it. And completely misunderstands the point and relationship between Batman and Robin.
I’m guessing that dream of the giant bat is what inspired the deleted scene from Batman Forever that was briefly in the trailer.
Also, I’m guessing that there is only one prominent example of GOOD Frank Miller writing of Batman that Linkara has yet to review: Batman: Year One.
Also also, Harvey Dent with bandages looks like a Proto-Hush.
Heat waves cause people to generally be miserable and angry. Plus back in the day when air conditioning was something of a luxury most folks had trouble sleeping. It also leads to people staying out later into the night
So this is basically Batman having a midlife crisis?
Not related to the review, but I just noticed the crew mate with the hat over on that shelf. And I have to say it... Linkcrewmate.🙃
25:36
Something about his cat staring at him the whole time 😂
7:44 And 1 more thing Batman could do to reduced crime in is city: Make Wayne Enterprise build cheap A.C XD
Hello, I'm not watching the episode but I used to watch you when I was younger.
This video popped up in my recommendations and I thought this was a perfect opportunity to thank you for inspiring me to take a look at Frank Miller's work and introducing me to one of my favorite comics writers.
9:47 Batman gets robbed by 2 Cyclops impersonators
The implications of crime being connected to heat makes me imagine the gotham villain commiting crimes in beach outfits. Like joker robbing banks in swim trunks, and harley and ivy in bikinis.
Well marvel made a few swimsuit specials :D
It actually does make a bit of sense. When it’s hot out people are more likely to be outside and active. Meaning young people are more likely to be outside getting into trouble, criminals are more likely to burglarize homes because they’re more likely to be empty, and people are more likely to be mugged or robbed because more people are outside providing more opportunity for victims of muggings to muggers.
@@blixer8384 I get what you said, I was just making a joke about the villain's forgoing their costumes to commit crimes in swimsuits.
@@jlev1028 Basically dressed up like a tourist!
You know, considering the things both DC and Marvel have done when it comes to popular else-worlds...it honestly surprises me that, to my knowledge, Carrie Kelly has never been brought into the mainline DC Universe.
She was one of Damian's tutors during the New 52. She literally dressed as Robin in a Halloween issue
So long Dr Crafty and thanks for all the fish.
14:35 Anyone else see Hank Hill?
"That Batman ain't right"
Finally a good Frank Miller comic!! I almost forgot he actually made something so great a long time ago.
Yeah, there was a time when Frank was a good writer. Damn good, if you ask me. One of the best. Now he's not. Damn shame.
@@Gr4veM1nd You can say the same thing about Mark Waid.
@@Gr4veM1nd And Garth Ennis.
@@Gr4veM1nd As the Nostalgia Critic put it, this was the era of “Crazy Cool Frank Miller”…
Unfortunately we’re now stuck with just Crazy Frank Miller
I've never been a big fan of Year One (I know I know) but TDKR is just awesome as well as his Daredevil 80s stuff
I don't know what Batman comic it was from but I recently found an image of Batman telling Robin (Damian Wayne) that he never thought of any of the Robins as soldiers the exact dialog is (Batman)- I NEVER made a soldier. I don't WANT to. DICK? A clearer vision of what Batman was meant to be. JASON is willing to do what Batman can't, when the world needs it. TIM has a strategic sense I envy, I've never seen him move to early. Sometimes YOU (Damian) do. But that might SAVE you someday. I WANT you to decide for YOURSELVES what you do--who you become.
24:30: Um...I know Plant God Poison Ivy didn't exist at this point, but...Clayface? Man-Bat? The Immortal Ra's Al Ghul? Killer Croc? All of those, in some way or another, are less "human" than, The Mutant Leader, an otherwise regular guy who filed his teeth.
I think the idea is that most of those villains had something resembling humanity, like their goals are oriented on money, protecting loved ones or saving the environment, while the Mutant Leader is just an asshole who kills for no real reason.
@@kingofthegundam7974 The Syntax is ambiguous as to what exactly he's referring to, but, under your interpretation...The Joker (who...y'know...IS in this comic) is absolutely that kind of jackass, which is most of why I interpret it in the literal "we never fought the main characters of Universal Horror Movies" way. The former interpretation at least sets an idea that maybe Frank's Batman actually never DID fight those villains, as odd as that is.
12:23 I mean, he ain't wrong, look at that little guy, that bat is so pure it hurts!
My favourite moment is the ending of part one where Batman faces Harvey. It's so deeply moving and human to me.
This is one of the best episodes you’ve ever done. Be proud of this.
Now that Dr. Crafty is leaving; Who's going to do your title Cards from now on?!
@@AlexSeverinski Really?
I Didn't know his wife was an Artist. . .
than Again; I'm significantly More interested in her Husband's Content than her own. . .
@@New3DSLuigi364 Really? She has a YT channel called "Viga's Art Room"
@@jaredohlstein7355 Like I Said; I'm Significantly MORE Interested in her HUBBIE'S Content. . . I DON'T watch ANY of HER Content
@@New3DSLuigi364 I get that, it's the same with me, I was just saying that she has a channel that I subscribed to but don't really watch as much as Lewis's content
21:57 If someone was holding a gun to a child I wouldn't feel bad about that person getting shot and killed.
Ah yes Miller's big breakout work...before he went coocoo for cocoa puffs...Seriously What happened to Frankie!? That's the big mystery I want Batman to solve for me
I think people just stopped telling him "no".
Like Adam Sandler, or Donald Trump on The Apprentice.
I don’t think anything happened to Franky looking at this story with all his tropes extreme darkness unnecessarily extreme violence and a clear agenda to push it’s possible this story was mostly an accident I say mostly because there are glimmers of legit genius but you can argue it’s present in modern Miller stories
He must have went mad with age I guess.
My theory is a combination of 9/11 and the Myth of Redemptive Violence.
As the comment above me points out Miller was in New York on 9/11 and witnessed the towers go down. It was a very traumatizing experience for Miller and a lot of Americans. And the attitude after the 9/11 was the someone *anyone* had to pay for this. Which is where the myth of Redemptive Violence comes in.
The Myth of Redemptive Violence is a story archetype through which essentially through violence a person or people are vindicated and injustice is set right. It is the belief that violence is the **only** appropriate response to violence. Essentially might makes right and turnabout is fair play.
And this idea is EVERYWHERE in American Media. From Cop Shows, Westerns, to Super Hero stories the idea that through violence you can rectify an injustice is all but baked into the genre. And there’s no shortage of people who think the solution to all of the United State’s problems is violence.
And this attitude can very easily lead into fascisms. Because fascism also proposes that violence both internal external is the only solution to a country’s problems. Americans felt humiliated, afraid, insecure because of 9/11 and Fascists gave them someone to blame for that humiliation: Muslims. And gave them a tool to correct those feelings: violence. This is why hate crimes against Muslims, Arabs, and people perceived as being apart of these groups spiked after 9/11. And why we invaded Iraq and killed half a million to a million innocent civilians. Someone had to pay, and the country didn’t care who.
And the worst thing is, if you went back to 2003 with evidence Iraq didn’t have WMD I don’t think that would have stopped the war. The false accusations that Iraq had WMDs was nothing more than the Pretext for the war. The Cause of the War was Americans desiring revenge for 9/11.
So that’s my two cents on why Frank Miller went Fash.
@@skyslasher2297 no it was because of 9/11 he even said it in a intervirw
8:19 It was always overshadowed by the Teen Titians show at the time
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I haven't watched this one in a year, and now I hurt myself laughing at that bit. Even into the future, Mr. Linkara, you are a comedic genius. Thank you.