Why Project CARS 3 is so different from the first two games
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Project CARS 3 has been the subject of heavy debate and often criticism since the game's creators revealed ahead of its launch that it would be less of a simulation than the first two games in the series. In this video we explain why Slightly Mad Studios went for a change of direction, and the key changes that you can notice in Project CARS 3 as a result.
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If this game had been called NFS Shift 3 threre wouldn't be any "controversy"
Not really. The controversy is that the sim has been abandoned. If this game had been a spin-off, and SMS announced that PC4 would be back to sim country, only fanboy idiots would care about the name. Even if SMS had announced that a forthcoming sim would be called something different, who but idiots would care..?
It isn’t what anything is CALLED. It’s what it IS...
@@1RolandG70 Well, no offense but the sim racing community is made up off a lot of idiots. Never have I seen a more ridiculous "rivalry" between games/sims (but actually games because every "sim" still does every car totally different). The meltdown after PC3's release just sums up what the racing community is build upon... sadly
Yoshi Kempenaers Got to agree there. Between the toxic elitist PC sim snobs and the brand obsessed console fanboys, it’s hard to see much sanity. But, be honest, you seeing it anywhere else, these days? LOL
@@1RolandG70 Maybe a little exaggeration lol
Yoshi Kempenaers A lot of the problem is that PC sim players have little understanding or sympathy for console players. Probably jealous that a $400 device can do almost as good a job as the $3000 they blew on a 4K system! Few of them understand that, for all its issues, PC2 was the best multi class sim of all on consoles. If it didn’t please THEM, they come after it with pitchforks, and SMS were obviously stupid enough to listen to them..!
He failed to mention that there's no more class racing and no more endurance racing in the new project cars 3 so no more 24h races
Instead of evolution of the last two games, this one is a revolution.
That really SUCKS!
Ikr
‘Revolution’ as in ‘revolting’! 💩
Think you mean "devolution".
Only now this video is suggested.., but anyway nice to hear Nathan... (subscribed on his channel some years back for his content of different f1 manager games :)
This game should have been named a project cars off shoot series not a numbered sequel. If they did that they wouldn't have all this controversy
Finally an unbiased review of PC3. Most reviews are just "PC3 bad" and only focus on how it's a departure from the established formula.
Glad you guys took the time to focus on both it's positives and negatives on it's own as well as portraying its turning to more simcade gameplay as something for players to decide if it's a good or bad thing.
Personally, I feel like it should have been part of a different franchise or be made a spin-off. Making it a main-line numbered entry would be like if Turn 10 never bothered making the Forza Horizon title and made Horizon 1 be titled Motorsport 5.
Sucks they didn’t make it a better version of the second one.
Its seems like a good rival to forza motorsport hey
Just play the second one.
Beautiful Asphalt 8. Ah no
This game is so garbage
The CARS in Project CARS stands for Community Assisted Racing Simulator. It literally goes against the name of the game.
Joel Bates I’d sure like to know what percentage of the people bitching about it not being community assisted actually paid money to the crowdfund or actually assisted in any way...
Not a whole lot, I’d be willing to bet.
@@1RolandG70 you are wrong. We are bitching about the other half. This game is not a racing simulator.
Juanlllo98 How so? You got a track? Check. You got cars? Check. You got a start? Check. You got a finish? Check. Then you got racing.
Plenty of sprint racing got no tire changes. It’s not like 100% of it is Ridge Runner. BTCC was pretty mental high contact racing. Look, I know where you’re coming from, but it’s time to let the name go. Gran Turismo isn’t mostly road cars any more. You see THEIR community trying to lynch Kaz for not changing the name? If this game WAS a great racing ‘simulator’ but called Shift 3, you’d still fkn buy it. And that should tell you all you need to know about how important a name is...
@@1RolandG70 the problem is its in the wrong series, if call of duty one day decided to be in medieval times with just swords and bows, you would complain, the problem is that this is the wrong genra
@@carlweeks2399 Trouble is, there’s no alternative series to ‘shift’ it to! Shift was, and I think remains an EA brand, so it’s not like Bandai could use that name. Truth is, PC3 has more in common with PC2 than it does with Shift, which actually WAS a pretty well put together semi-arcade game. You can hardly blame Bandai for insisting that they retain the franchise name for the last iteration of the series they would publish. Sure, the Project Cars name got it a lot of negative reception from those already playing PC2, but I’d be willing to bet it got them more customers than coming up with a brand new name that would take quite a while for market penetration by standing on its own merits.
Alternate title : " Why Project Cars 3 is a step or two backwards from it's predecessor "
@Xendex Motorsports Don't you seem familiar....
@Xendex Motorsports How come such coincidence be this *COINCIDENTAL* ??
Based off what we can see on the steam charts so far (not including consoles obvs) this game is trending almost identically to GRiD 2019....that's not a good thing. I don't have an issue with them going a new direction, but it's not even a good arcade game.
JT Can you get active player stats from Steam? It would be interesting to see Steam’s weekly player stats for PC2 vs PC3... Shame there’s no real console tally, mind you, because Project Cars was really more a hit on console for the sim players (no rF2 or AMS2 for the consoles!😤).
@@1RolandG70 yes you can, just google steam charts, then you can search by game. Pcars2 has had more players over the last week. Yikes
JT And if that’s true on PC, with far better sim choices to play, I can only imagine the console numbers. SMS rolled them bones, looks like it came up craps... 💩
Shame really, with ACC going one class, there was still plenty of room for a multi class sim on consoles to be the top dog.
Grid 2019 is a really fun game in my opinion.
Richard Taylor An opinion not widely shared, though. Seems like the lack of content compared to its rivals hurt it quite a bit. PC3 seems like a schizophrenic game... the old PC2 stuff seems fairly sorted and mostly close to PC2’s look and feel. But the new stuff, other than Interlagos, maybe, got a VERY Grid-like look and feel.
Project Cars 3 should be called either NFS Shift 3 or Project Cars: GRID
I find Shift wayyyy more realistic tbh
@@ce6ric so you have PC3
@@stpbasss3773 yes*
This game hurt my heart, I was expecting a homerun after pc2... this wasn't what I expected
Agreed. All PC2 needed was a few adaptations to make it a sim
@@willjones8849 I know pc2 was the reason I bought a wheel and pedals
its a pro gamer move
Pc2 is a shit game though
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt I enjoyed it tho, just mostly played career and solo races against AI and always had fun...I don't have a pc to game so I can't enjoy Iracing or race room. I'm just happy I finally get to enjoy ACC
I just realised that your logo looks shockingly similar to Raycons lol
”The Raycecon”
They almost look identical.
Not much you can do with the letter “R”
Project Casual ;)
quicksand So. Much. Yellow. 🍌
So. Much. Chase cam. 🎮
Project Banana Pad! 🍌🎮🍌🎮🍌🎮🍌🎮🍌🎮
Well I helped kickstarting Project CARS 2. This feels like a punch in the face to me.
If you really want a sim built in the Madness engine then Reiza Studio's Automobilista 2 is right there.
NOT ON CONSOLE
@@R4M_Tommy y esperemos que no lo saquen , que se centren en pc
@@R4M_Tommy thats makes it better
@@R4M_Tommy The console is built for casual players and so complex Sim Racers generally leave consoles out because they know that will make some of the playerbase into casual gamers that'll just play it as a racing game. They basically don't want Forza Horizon style players in Sim Racers, it's audience control.
deathtrap555 the only two racing games on consoles that can even be called sims are Project Cars and Gran Turismo Sport
"So different" is the politest way I've heard the phrase "absolute shit" been said. God PC3 is awful
I keep wondering why i blew £50+ on this game.Compared to 1 & 2,this is a nightmare.
Never seen a game which promised so much and under-delivered so much. especially considering how long it took for the first one to come out. Never again.
You weren’t around for Gran Turismo 5 were you?
They kept their promise though. In early 2018 they already said pc3 would take a more loose approach and be more a spiritual succesor to shift so I don't get why people are all crying about it and acting suprised bit yeah, that's the internet... Everyone's just bandwagoning
Nah, CDPR's Cyberpunk 2077 wil be the record holder in the over promise, under deliver category for decades to come.
it's like if a call of duty game was called arma 4
Most underrated comment on here
The other way around would be more accurate.
Arma->COD
The fact this won best simulation game is the biggest pisstake ever
I ran a league in project cars 1 and 2. This game feels like a kick to the balls.
Wasn’t expecting this type of video from this channel
Not exactly common but this channel does upload/stream racing games stuff from time to time.
yea they keep rebranding and "experimenting" with content. i have been subbed since it was Nismo TV just to watch autobacs super gt races.
Cause it's a sponsored review...
@@fvunderink As the person who wrote and voiced this video, this certainly wasn't a sponsored review. They gave me the game for free and that's it - also if it was sponsored then surely I would've been a lot more positive about it.
PS2 graphics, PS2... Argh!!
What a yoke
Well, for someone still playing Shift 2, this looks a million times better.
Yea. it is going to bring in a new audience... by alienating their core fans. Who needs long time PC supporters who create skins and mods when you can have console players?
Need for Speed all over again.
The biggest fail was giving it the title "Project CARS 3".
Underrated game...especially with the car list, engine sounds & physics.
well good job SMS, thanks to your logic you've now dropped into the arcade racing game genre, of which the market is already oversaturated. your brand is doomed.
well, the only thing we can hope on is for them to bring back TOCA as a fully fledged sim, considering how the original developers are w them
There is an official BTCC game coming out.
@@Commander_Xalamander if it's an official game of one series, it's very often not a hardcore sim.
2:36 best graphics 2020
"invisible driver aids helping you out"
Yeah the forced opposite-lock assist that you can't turn off
Heres an idea: keep the acronym CARS but have it mean Controller Adapted Racing Sim, mention its not for classical sim racers but new entrants and lets move on
Watching this and Jimmy Broadbent's review its pretty clear PC3 is a step backwards in every sense of the word. If you want something akin to a sim this clearly isn't it. If you want a simcade then Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport clearly have PC3 beat. Don't really see what they're trying to do here aside from sell the same content as PC2 but downgraded. I guess they've gone from Slightly Mad Studios to Fully Mad Studios now.
Don't think it should be called project cars
You forgot that you must PURCHASE cars in game using game currency in order to drive them. This is true of purchased DLC (you have to buy it again with game currency), and in Custom Events. Basically, you cannot get what you pay for until you grind through the arcade aspects of the game. Utter crap gameplay model.
To be honest, I thought the first one was shit already. Driving a car isn't difficult, and they don't feel like the ones in PC.
Play Assetto Corsa
Very similar to what Microsoft\343 did with the Halo franchise. Alienate the core fanbase by trying to be everything to everyone and satisfy no one. This is what happens when the marketing people "refocus" an IP.
Wait is that pslutonrules?
yes it is and that makes me happy =)
He’s very underrated
Yes it is! I've been the esports writer for The Race since February.
@@PSLRacing Man I love your videos about Grand Prix World and Grand Prix Manager 2
@@PSLRacing that's awesome =) while i do hope you finish your f1 grand prix series i totally understand if you don't cause this is an awesome opportunity
I'm not exactly a good sim racer so was interested in this and admit was tempted, that was until I read the graphics were poor and it is £49.99!
Audio in this video is decidedly sub par. Just like the game.
I guess I won't be sinking any money into this game. I played both PC 1 and 2 and loved it despite me using a pad to play. The fact that there are no pit stops for fuel and tire changes killed it for me. I mean, managing fuel and tires is a key part of motorsport.
So I'm going to go back and have fun on PC 2 doing a 1 hour GT3 race at the Indy roval.
Wtf was your audio capture device? It sounds like a zoom call... 😬
Project FORZA 3
This game is a perfect example of what not to do in marketing. They've pissed off their hardcore fans. Casuals gamers who didn't care for sims are going to avoid it due to the Project CARS name. A simple name change would've fixed this issue. This game is going to be a flop.
They could have called it anything else wouldn’t make any difference. PC2 players aren’t mad about the name. THEY’RE MAD SMS STOPPED MAKING SIMS. If the next game was still a sim but named anything but Project Cars, nobody would give a rats. It ain’t what something’s called. It’s what it IS...
PC1 and 2 were never simulators, they were both miles off from being realistic. I thought PC3 will be a fun arcade game but its looks like a mobile phone game.
JWoz38 ehh I mean they were closer to being full on sims than forza and gt.....
@@sunnohh
PC2, GT Sport and Forza Motorsport are Simcade. Forza is closer to Arcade, PC2 is closer to Sim and GT Sport is somewere in the middle.
This game is just a bad copy of forza imo
Good overview. Some things that aren't mentioned, though: the AI is just as horrible as in PC2. With the highest AI setting, they are impossible to beat on some tracks, and incredibly slow on other tracks. Also, why can't we get money based on how we place in a race? As it is now you get money when you level up, so you get the same amount of money whether you finish first or last. The objective system should be reworked to always reward you when you win races, in addition to the other things (like fastest lap, clean laps etc.). And why couldn't they have tire wear/temps, pit stops, and fuel usage, but with the OPTION to turn it off? That would cater to more people. So their logic is kind of flawed.
Anyway, I like the game for what it is - a fun career mode racer where you go through the ranks. And it isn't as arcade as Need for Speed or GRID if you play with a wheel with no assists off. In fact, some cars are so difficult to drive that I have to turn some assists on for them. They spin out immediately if you are not careful with throttle input, and that never happens in arcade games. Things might be different with a controller, though, with all the hidden assists.
I agree it should have been named Shift 3 and the pop in is bad but I’m still having fun with it
Same here bud
It would probably have benefited from being called something other than Project CARS tbh
Yeah should've just split them up Forza Motorsports/Forza Horizon style. I don't even hate what they did (I'm a Gran Turismo player at heart, accurate physics are cool but I'm ultimately here to play a video game and have fun) but they should have realized this isn't what their core audience is about.
For those who cant be bothered to watch the entire video here is a short summary by me. Project cars 3 is just a quick cashgrab that isnt anything like its predecessors. It looks like a mobile game and it pretty much plays like one. my rating for the game is 3/10 and even that rating is generous
Matto Alternative summary... if you hated PC2 because it sucked on pad, and hate GTS because a) you’re on XBONE b) you’re on PC or c) you aren’t into motorsports simulators, you might like PC3 if you don’t already have FM7..!
@@1RolandG70 Alright fair. But theres plenty of choices for arcade racing games. I dont understand why they had to completely change the franchise and disappoint the die hard fans of the project cars games... And can we both agree that the price for the game is absolutely ridiculous?
Matto For the content, no, pretty decent. Only 82 tracks layouts (with only 32 locations) in GTS even after updates. Full weather, full 24/365 time, pretty good car list. Actually, track racing arcade games not that well represented. Plenty more open world than track. Paid about the same price for GTS at launch, got way less...
Wait for the Xmas sale. Pretty sure half price by then!
Seems like the controversy is really hurting the game sales. There were only 1.200 players playing the game at launch on Steam. Number has gone down ever since.
All they had to do is call it something else and you know not LIE telling people it was a sofa controller racer and a SIM combined. Little NMS syndrome going on there. The PR department let you down or you had too much pride to call it something else and tell people what you were really making. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OK had you said we wanted to make a console racer. I wouldn't have bought it but I am sure the reviews would have been WAY better as people like me would not have been so WTF is this. Seems like that's the sim world response. WTF is this..... All the controller racers seem to be happy-ish with it. You Fd up and OMG did you pick the wrong time to step away from the sim world. Almost all my friends picked up wheels during the lock down. WoW did you pick the wrong time to release this game after misleading the community. Bunch of pent up gamers looking for the next game to escape the world for a while. They are all using keyboards now and it's not a pretty race in the reviews. The real reviews not the fake paid ones every game gets. Wrong name. Wrong time. Wrong demographic. Pretty sure you just exited the sim world for good.
excuse me, not a sim-cade. Arcade bro...Arcade
codemasters has ruined slightly mad studios. first that fast and furious game and now this? it's a shameful downgrade for a skilled studio like sms.
That PIR system (parts of it) is what killed Forza Motorsport / Forza Horizon. Because an MR2 could win from top GT cars like a Skyline, etc.
I don't get why every race game (simulation or otherwise) should be accessible to all race game fans. There are enough race games that are accessible: NFS (incl. Shift), Forza (Motorsport and Horizon), GRID, Juiced (in the past), F1 (from Codemasters), etc.
I don't have any problems with Project Cars (1), which I'm still playing. (Because there is a lot to do in that game). I don't need another NFS game with a different UI. Every game should maintain it's own character. Like Gran Turismo is more or less doing. Burnout kept his identity, and had success... Only to be killed of by EA.
PSLutonRules! Who next, Jimmer?! lol
they should jut call it Project Horizon
I never played the forza series, but from what I understand Forza Motorsport leans more sim while Horizon is more simcade with open world...with the lack of good new Need for Speed games (way too arcadey plus fuck EA) and no new Midnight Club, a Play Station version of Forza Horizon would be great IMO.
Dont have it as Project CARS 3, have it as Project SPORT (simcade playful openworld racing time) or some stupid name like that.
It is what it is i guess. Coing from hundreds of hours on project cars 2....this game isnt for me....and LOADS of people ive seen reviewing it and commenting everywhere. The game is definitely hurting in online player numbers.
trying to sell it on negatives. i'm questioning your sim racer cred.
they said back in a intervew back in Dec 31, 2018 that project cars 3 was gonna be a Spiritual Successor to Shift. aka fuckng nfs shift 1 and 2 which are an amazing game. project cars 3 feels like shift 2 its amazing
People need to recognize that PC3 is the way it is because the majority of players aren’t going to go and spend $800+ for a racing rig just for one game. If you’re looking to a game for realism then your going about it all wrong, grow a pair and go to the iRacing simulator and stop complaining about a freakin game! What a bunch of whiners on here!
They have royally f**ked up with this game. I love Project Cars 2 and I am a pad player. It takes some major fiddling but you can change settings and car setup to the point that it is a really easy game to play. They seem to be aiming at the Gran Tourismo fans with this but they don't need it!
I like it but compare to the previews 2 it gives me Mobile bives.... is weird... also I see AI cars glitching like is an online competitor but its not.... it feels more like Grid, they should have named it Grid, its ok game its fun if u get tired of driving sim is a good game for a break but I still go back to PC2 at the end of the day.
The first two were sims?? Oh dear.
It's shit. I don't mind the handling but everything else is unacceptable for a title released in 2020. The Shift games looked, played and sounded better.
Boooooo..... Thanks PC3... if I wanted a NFS type game, i'd buy NFS... Give me back my tire pressures, Damn it!
Thanks, it's always nice to save money on an old favorite title gone to shit.
in a nutshell nfs shift brutally slammed by its own fan base cause doing different like this are never accepted just make the same thing again and again and again and again with moar cars and tracks best graphics and better sim experience
while car companies did something different like the grp c road car merc
viper copperhead where understandly so frustrated that they didn't produce that
like if where car fans and car gaming fans why don't we accept the change.
For me its more like a Forza game, which cant be a bad thing. If i want real, GT7 is my go to racing game.
Re playing pcars 2 is still up to the level in2020 this new version is nobuy
Is a not different, is just a joke. If that was a NFS x series, it will be ok, but with all the expectations and previous versions, is just a joke
I didn't expect PSL to turn up on this channel, and it was a pleasant surprise - loved his F1 Manager content, great addition to the channel imo!
I would actually buy it but that price is HUGE IM NOT PAIYNG ALL THAT MONEY
Should have been named "Project cars Arcade" nothing else. So glad I didn't bought it!
More videos like this please, PSLutonRules is a brilliant narrator.
PSLUTONRULES!!!!
This game sucks with a controller. The maximum amount of steering lock is based on how fast you're going. It's impossible to take sharp turns at speed because you just can't turn the wheel enough. It's absurd and makes it basically unplayable with a controller. You have to slow down so much on some corners that you have no chance of keeping pace on certain tracks.
irysh9 All evidence on TH-cam to the contrary... you may simply be suffering the effects of uneven AI speed on differing events, but I’ve seen a boatload of pad driving videos with the driver easily able to beat the AI...
I enjoy playing PCARS 3 even though it is nothing like 1 and 2. It's not a sim which is a shame but I didn't think PCARS 1 or 2 were great sims anyway just decent. I would rather play I-racing, ACC or R-Factor 2 when I want a true race simulator experience. I don't think PCARS 3 being an Arcade sim is a loss for sim racing fans. For me it's another Forza Motorsport game but with GT Sport style car physics and handling. I enjoy playing another arcade sim as I think Forza isn't great and I don't have a PS4 to play GT Sport. PCARS 3 is alright in my eyes and I don't understand the hate as the franchise never felt like a true sim in the first place.
Well, this started by being sold as the best simulator there was, they were all for simulation nothing for arcade, so there's probably where the people now are against them. And when you think of it, there are a lot of fun and with many fans already arcade games already, so one more is not likely to change the game much. They had the chance to be the simulator, the one that is daring to master, the one for real fans. And with this change now, it's likely the real fans go away from it, and the ones who just like to play stay on the mainstream arcade ones. So this is probably why people rage against this change now, as Obi-Wan would say it, [Project CARS] you were the chosen one.
PSLUTONRULES AS THE VIDEO COMMENTATOR!!! WHOHOO
I'll just grab pc2 then.
Just buy the Next GT game it will be so much more worth it
Because the first 2 games were actually good
After playing Project Cars 1 i was really disappointed because of all the bugs and glitches.
Project Cars 2 was a step foward and i really like playing it, especially the possibility of endurance races in le mans and spa and so on.
But with Project Cars 3...its just without words.
It seems that the developers just throw all away and run away from everything they did well in the past years.
This games is worst a possible sequel of NFS Shift 2 or Grid 2....its just so sad.
One thing you didn't address is why does it look like a mobile game, with three polygons per vehicle model?
Seriously, PS2 games compare favourably to this is certain visual aspects.
if pc2 is unrealistic id bet gta 5 has better physics than pc3
If it resembles gran turismo I'd rather buy gran turismo
I like Pcars and pcars2. Both in PS4. Very Nice games, but the setups for cars and FFB are real nightmares. But its just my opinion.
car enthusiasts want high levels of customization, a large car roster and a racing game that appeal to different car 'cultures', which this game doesnt have. I really dont see how this game can really compete or find their market. especially with the next forza motorsport expected to arrive on PC gamepass and the console market being dominated by 1st party flagship titles.
i love the 1st PC on the playstation and used a control pad, the 2nd one seemed really hard to drive. not i was getting excited for pc3 until you said that the go karts was gone and there is no or less open wheel racing in the career mode. now glad that i had not brought it yet as it as saved me money.
SMS is much more involved with Autombilista 2 that I expected. If you want the true successors to PC3, then get that. It’s amazing!
I was hyped when it was announced pc3 with red flags safety cars, more cars tracks to rivaling other sims but SMS underpromised saying it will blow every sim out of the competition but it didn't the game is sh!t
Good question!!! It is different from the other versions, Why? Because was a simulator, now they choose to make an arcade.
They need to put out a free demo quick. So people like me who aren't sure whether they like the sim over the arcade due to time constraints can make a more informed decision. I have not written it if but if I don't get to try before buy I'm def not buying
Could you please review Assetto Corsa Competizione
Spoiler : It's now an arcade game.
Sim Of the Year My A$$
i used a 360 controller fine with pc2 on pc i loved it, i don't see why they had to bend the knee and make it more arcadey. one can assume sale numbers will reflect their choice