You know Pescara was dangerous to drive when Enzo Ferrari, a guy known for replacing passed away drivers in a heartbeat, refused to let his drivers race here.
wasn't the reason to protest something happening in Italy at the time? I don't think it was related to how dangerous the track was, I heard that was just a myth
@@ComputerBladet rFactor 1 have quite a lot of these odd tracks. Might be the closest you can get. Assetto Corsa, while having a great modding scene, doesn't have the amount of obscurity as rF1 has.
@@SirUnleashedFTW One of the most important german Autobahn, the "A2", which connects west and east germany leads into the Berliner Ring "A10" . If you drive to Berlin from anywhere west of Berlin there's a good chance you'll take this route and come by the old Avus track.
It wasn't. Almost flat out for all the track and only a couple of chicanes in the fast section, the current configuration is harder, more technical and produces better racing.
@@felid.769 Wrong! People only say that because any overtakes in the forest were often unseen by spectators It wasn't the best for spectators but the racing was always competitive and when it rained it got really fun because the plethora of trees in the forest meant the track often would get fully wet even in heavy rain . The stadium section was also a challenge when teams ran lower downforce wings with drivers fighting the car to keep the car on track in qualifying.
Katsuki Bakugou Oh those days will be back eventually, guaranteed. F1 was bending over backwards for Ferrari up until about 10yrs ago. Since the new ownership took over Ferrari has been constantly pushing the limits and its backfired causing the them to not have the greatest relationship well if Ferrari continues to not be able to manipulate they’ll start doing their usually deal where they threaten to leave which could cause the new owners to appease them (tho I doubt it bc in America it’s always been viewed as distasteful how much Ferrari has gotten away with and with their “favoritism” treatment by always being the beneficiary of F1’s corruption).
Just like how party modes have just been banned when ferrari have a rubbish engine and are now struggling to keep up. Ferrari International Aid strikes again
@@Tommy2shoe811 oh yeah, its the fia who has an eye for ferrari, definitely not ferraris management or staff that has limited them, and they wont threaten to leave the sport because its in their dna.
It has always been my favorite Grand Prix on the schedule. I would hate to see it go, but it would be very doubtful that they would ever drop it from the schedule.
@@TheInkPitOx I meant that if they ever dropped it from the schedule, I would be unhappy about it. Also, I doubt whether they ever would remove it as it has become such a huge part of F1 racing now.
I actually really like the idea of combined monza. I think it would be an awesome track for modern f1. Nothing like actually going flat out for 30 or so laps.
It felt like I was one of the few who liked the Valencia Street Track. Using the old Fish Market buildings for the pit and paddock complex was imaginative, the swing Bridge was something that got engineers thinking about the transition from one section to another and the third sector (where the drivers were confronted with seemingly ever faster curves inches away from the buildings surrounding it) was great to watch. In one of the GP2 races in 2008, two of the championship contenders that year, Giorgio Pantano and Bruno Senna, ran out of fuel in the run up to the finish
I was there at the 1984 Dallas Grand Prix and it was a train wreck! As mentioned, the track was coming apart but they were also having to weld down drains and manhole covers after they came up. Doing something outdoors in Dallas in July is never a pleasant experience and even as a resident it was hotter than Hades that weekend. But my strongest memory was watching Nigel Mansell getting out of his car and trying to push it across the finish line before collapsing from heat exhaustion!
I've lived in DFW my entire life. I am 44 and have vague memories of seeing the advertisements for the race. For the longest time, i thought it went through downtown, but driving the areas today that were used as part of the circuit are baffling knowing all the potholes that are there!
Virgin F1 strange circuits: An oval A circuit with a petrol station Circuits with ugly layouts A car park Overly long circuits Chad Indycar strange circuits A Circuit that go over railway crossings A hillclimb An airport An oval with right hand turn Explicitly ignoring COTA track limits And, both series did race on a circuit that goes through a baseball stadium.
@@jorge8596 they were showing 'formula 1' by psygnosis on the PS1 which is from the 1995 season although Geoff Crammond Grand Prix 2 on PC follows the 1994 season...
My Dad actually worked at the Dallas Grand Prix as a volunteer and ended up with Ferrari for the weekend. Either Friday or Saturday he drove his brand new Honda Interceptor 500 into the pits. When he came back to get his bike and go home for the day, René Arnoux was looking at his bike and asked him if he could take his bike on a lap. My Dad said sure and Arnoux took it around the course twice, came back around and asked my Dad to do a lap. My dad did and said he was pretty nervous doing so, because he wasn't really supposed to be out on the track, but he got a lap in and wasn't caught!
@dein Pech mein Glueck That's why I asked if you mean pre-broadcast. Because by the time the races were shown on TV, there were tv cameras around the track and the race shown on big screens. So unless the grandstand at the first chicane(I think the only grandstand for spectators in the forest) didn't have one, you could see everything happening.
The races, except the one Fernando won, were very boring. To drive on a circuit on which you cant overtake with cars which are very difficult to overtake with, is just dumb
Monaco is still one of my top 5 tracks on the calendar. I wish we could have smaller cars that could compete a bit more around there, but I love the layout, the visual of cars flying around the circuit, and I enjoy that there's at least one track on the calendar that isn't dominated by who has the best engine, and where your pit stops really do mean something.
@Gary Garratt There is a spectacle to the whole weekend that I hope we never lose, as well as a storied history that in my opinion, is worth returning to every year for that alone. It clearly still means something to the drivers too, if Danny Ric's Monaco Crusade is anything to go by.
If the track was wider, I would agree with this idea. As it stands, qualifying is a substitute for race day, in most cases, and the majority of the overtaking happens during the pit cycle. Azerbaijan is a much better road circuit imo because there's still a few decent places to overtake that aren't on the straights, and it doesn't feel like you're trying to rotate the car while standing still.
You are joking, but in the late 1930's streamliners were passing each other at 380km/h on Avus, and no one knows what their top speed in slipstream was, because they could only measure speed by timing a section of the track.
Brands Hatch has claimed more fatal crashes, then most of tracks of today's season. With 56 fatalities, during races.. Spa (which was a embarrassing show this year) is also high on the list. As is Monza..
@@michiadams AVUS still is one of the main motorways to get into the South of Berlin. It's a simple, straight 10km road. The banking is gone, but it's still very much usable. Source: I've been on the AVUS every day I drove to university.
Good point about Monaco. Just because we're used to a huge party followed by a crash strewn parade a narrow coastal road, it doesn't make it any less strange on a modern F1 calendar.
The remark about the sharp left turn at Eau Rouge, that was mentioned as "Used only once", was not entirely correct. In the pre-WWII layout (30's) the cars would make a sharp left turn at Eau Rouge to go up to 'L'Ancienne Douane' (a hairpin turn that is still there) and then further up to Kemmel straight. ;)
I think the mountain looking one looks odd. If you watch Nascar, you know that it looks a little familiar to Pocono if it had the deadliest back straight.
Monaco is absolutely insane in an awesome sort've way. Having the fastest racing cars in the world flying around the right streets of a crowded city is so crazy. Vegas just makes so much sense in a 1980s Las Vegas sort've way.
Everyone has to go there one day, it must be staggering to be there in person watching the cars fly by at nearly two hundred miles an hour down the main straight...
Most of the changes to tracks forced by the FIA after Senna & Ratzenbergers deaths ruined tracks. Tamburello didnt need a chicane, it needed a gravel trap and a tyre wall. Same goes for the 2nd to last corner at Barcelona. Those temporary tyre chicanes were a knee jerk reaction, but one that was understandable at the time.
I live near Dallas, now, and I could not imagine squeezing in an F1 race these days, there's way too many people in this area. It's a shame because that track looked like an exciting layout.
Another interesting fact about the Dallas GP and Ayrton Senna, from a Dallas local. The track had issues with the concrete barriers shifting closer into the track throughout the weekend, due to the poor build quality. At one point during qualifying, if I remember correctly, Senna was able to tell that one of the barriers in the corner was off by only 3cm exactly. He told his team, team told the stewards, they went out to check it, and the barrier was, as Senna exactly said, 3cm off from when they first placed it before the GP weekend.
IIRC he hit the barrier and damaged his car, and said that the barrier must have moved as he was driving exactly the same line on every lap. At first the team didn't believe him, but he was so insistent that they went out and measured it and found he was correct!
I love the idea of the old Monza layout - a kind of hybrid between traditional course and American oval. Imagine if they could modernise it, with a proper barrier separating the two lanes on the main straight, and an Indy/Nascar style barrier and catch fence on the oval section. Nothing like it will ever happen, but we can dream.
Even after the safety concern, the practical problem with the circuit crossing over itself in de driving direction is that it results in way too many right corners, especially with the old Ascari. The circuit in the video has 6 very long right turns and only 1 left kink. It would be near impossible with the modern tyres to race there due to wear.
I must be one of the rare people who prefer the endurance layout of the Bahrain track. It actually seems to challenge the talents and abilities of the grid unlike most tracks.
It's more challenging, but the problem was that overtaking was not promoted through that configuration, so many spectators found it to boring. For me it's not the best track i've ever seen and i like the normal layout more, but still i find it more interresting than tracks like Abu Dhabi or Sochi
An argument could also be made for the Old Hockenheim. It was a unique beast and while the redesigned circuit is good in its own right, it has absolutely no character and soul when compared to the old one. The old circuit stood out because it was unique. It could be raining at one end and completely dry at the other. And tackling the stadium section with no downforce created a difficult and unique challenge out of what was otherwise (or better- what has become) a generic and boring set of corners. The Korean circuit which Formula 1 raced on around a decade ago was also weird. It never looked like the finished product and it was weird watching Formula 1 cars. the most technologically advanced cars in the world, race on a patched-up circuit in the heart of a swamp.
Yes, the old Hockenheimring was definitely unique, but it never got really good racing. Most of the track is basically flat out with 2-3 chicanes just to make unnatural overtake opportunities. The new layout in my eyes does not just only provide better racing in general, it is actually much harder to master it with much more corners. Also, I am not sure if the aspect with "It can rain on one side and be dry on the other side" is really a good one. Yes, it is definitely more likely than on a compressed circuit, but even then: Is it not a bit sad that most races at a track like that only got exciting because of the rain? I am not sure. Rain in general makes more interesting racing, not just at the old Hockenheimring. The Southkorean GP is actually quite a nice track. It feels a bit weird to be honest with three big straights literally in a row and then this huge and hard 2nd and 3rd sector where you cannot really overtake without a 2-3 second time advantage, but it actually has quite a nice flow. Also, the races there were quite likely to have weird weather, because of the geographics. It´s interesting and decent, but also a bit awkward. I am not sure If I would put into the Top 10 though.
@@Rocky712_ Regarding the Korean GP, we're in total agreement. Regarding Old Hockenheim, I think one needs to look at it in the context of other circuits on the calendar to truly appreciate its uniqueness. Whether one loved its layout or not, one cannot argue that it wasn't a unique challenge. For the F1 calendar in general, having these curve-ball circuits is a good thing. It mixes up the pack too. For example cars which usually did not do well because they had bad downforce but in turn had a powerful engine, used to look forward to Hockenheim as they often scored valuable points there.
Absolutely bang on with regard to Monaco. We accept it as a part of the modern calendar that although exciting in its own way, does not promote great racing. The idea of someone trying to get Monaco sanctioned as a race venue today sounds like something from an absurd sketch show.
@@russell2165 Though it is possible to overtake at Monaco - as there were a number of overtakes in this year's Historic and Formula E races. However modern F1 cars have really become too wide. The addition of the swimming pool section, the Nouvelle Chicane and the sharpening of Ste Devote probably don't help much either.
01:57 Dallas didn't preceed Detroit, as that had happened already over two years prior. And it was also the preceding GP only two weeks prior to Dallas
While Monaco may be absurd, it is also arguably the most iconic race circuit in the world. It is the one circuit that F1 can't, nor ever should drop from the schedule.
The thing is that Paul Ricard is actually a great track. But they ruined it by replacing the grass and the gravel by more concrete with flashy sticky rubbons... it got absolutly ruined. It's like putting these terrible things at Monza...
When it comes to "Almost ovals" the Caesar's Palace track should get a further mention for the configuration used by Indycars for a couple of years after F1 left, bypassing the infield sections to create a layout of essentially 5 or 6 left handers
The banking at Avus and Monza is so cool. Just played Mafia 1 and it's so obvious they took inspiration from those tracks for their racing track. Love that mission, even if it's hard as hell.
Another addition to this list would be the original layout of SPA in Belgium where F1 (amongst other series) raced until the 1970s. Kind of comparable to the Nürburgring-Nordschleife. Just to give you an idea, here's an excerpt from Wikipedia: "Another particularly gruesome story comes from the 1972 24-hour touring car race. During one of his pit stops at night, Hans-Joachim Stuck shouted to his co-driver Jochen Mass over the noise from the cars that he should "look out for body parts at the Masta Kink". Mass arrived there expecting to see pieces from cars all over the road but was appalled to discover it was in fact the remains of a marshal"
Thanks for calling the outer track “inaccurately described as oval” since its similarity to an oval is the same as the similarities between Grosjean and Hamilton
It had a nice layout. I think the problem was, that in one year there were zero overtakes throughout the Grand Prix and that Ricardo Tormo is not to far away, which made the streetcircuit idea pointless
The problem was that the politicians who made this circuit were not re-elected, after taking our money with the excuse of America’s cup, F1 circuit and a lot of other stupid things.
I remember reading that the development of cars far outstripped the development of tracks - therefore by the 1970s accidents were common on circuits which were too narrow or twisty such as Watkins glen or the Nordschlife.
Video doesn’t mention the time Nick Heidfeld did around the Nurburgring in the F1 car in 2007, but did mention the 5:19 that the Porsche did in 2019. The F1 did it in 5:57 (technically).
Heidfeld wasn't going full tilt. open that F1 car up and the fastest lap record of today wouldn't have ever been set... with the downforce and lateral g capabilities of an F1 car would have put the heidfled lap into the sub 5 minute range... even in 2007.
@@AlonsoRules Unfortunately the contract for the new era of the Argentinean Grand Prix was signed a few months after Senna's death back in 1994. The original idea was to use the same layout used during the 70's with the two long back straights around the lake but the FIA forced the promoters to use this small twisted layout for safety reasons.
The most surprising thing about the short Sakhir lap is that the other repeat circuits on the calendar this year DIDN'T tweak their layout to change the racing.
5:45 In fact, I would love to see at least one F1 race on such a track. At least one real High-Speed-race should be added to the calender after decades of characterless-tracks made by Hermann Tilke.
Yeah, if the driver was brave enough! just going around there in a modern F1 car in AC is sketchy as, let alone doing it in real life. All the bumps, kerbs, and simply narrowness of it just make it scary.
So glad you put Monaco at #1. It really has no business being on the calendar now. It remains on the calendar because "dude, tradition" and because it's such a big event that draws so many wealthy viewers to the race. I get that it's super difficult to even complete a lap, but as far as racing goes, it's terrible. Time trial track? Sure Track that makes for quality modern F1 racing? Not a chance
It's just bits of discarded rubber that is off the racing line and has been picked up after the race is over to help increase the weight of the car for final weigh in. The tires run very hot and make them very sticky, so it is quite easy to collect some of the debris. It's quite normal. Check it out next time you watch a race and they are parking up, the wheels always look like crap.
The most bizzare circuit config has to go to the original X shaped Silverstone of the 1930's! An X shape where at certain points cars would drive on the back half directly towards those heading off uthe start straight, only for the 2 ends of the track coming together at hairpins, protected by a few metres and a couple of rows of hay bales! Ah, the good old days of an iconic founder circuit.
I disagree with Monza as a weird track. That was an iconic track layout. I would personally love to see modern F1 cars race there. Who doesn't like some fierce racing ?? Only if modern F1 drivers had Balls of Steel like in the 60s
You know Pescara was dangerous to drive when Enzo Ferrari, a guy known for replacing passed away drivers in a heartbeat, refused to let his drivers race here.
wasn't the reason to protest something happening in Italy at the time? I don't think it was related to how dangerous the track was, I heard that was just a myth
He'd rather do this because he knew peoples would surely die in his cars again
Lol i live near Pescara
What was he supposed to do? Not replace a deceased driver?
GT Sunny D the point was the coldness behind it and the fact he made no attempt to improve safety
"Curiously", the Nordschleife was entirely man-made? As opposed to, what... Naturally occurring racing circuits?
@@kuckoo9036 Yeah, I got the idea. I was just taking the piss
"And over there, you can see a wild racing circuit in his natural habitat"
WRC: let me introduce myself
The Nurburgring lies in a weak economic area of Germany and it's construction was a government program to get people into employment
Naturally-occuring racing circuits? Sounds like Baja
Love the use of the PS1 Formula 1 games to show older tracks! Quite fascinating they're more a historical description nowadays.
Hello you, love your content.
Wonder if there are games that let us drive modern cars on these circuits
@@ComputerBladet rFactor 1 have quite a lot of these odd tracks. Might be the closest you can get. Assetto Corsa, while having a great modding scene, doesn't have the amount of obscurity as rF1 has.
@@ComputerBladet There are! Assetto Corsa has mods where you can do it
I don't know why they don't just put old tracks in the games. Perhaps it would give the Devs too much to do.
The straights Avus is now the main enterance by highway to Berlin :)
You can even see the old stands next to it.
Wusste nicht, dass du F1 Fan bist. 👀
Main entrance ? Berlin has 6 Autobah-Connections, is it the most used ? I would like to know
@@SirUnleashedFTW One of the most important german Autobahn, the "A2", which connects west and east germany leads into the Berliner Ring "A10" . If you drive to Berlin from anywhere west of Berlin there's a good chance you'll take this route and come by the old Avus track.
@@Leon-pb4nt naja er hat mal ein Lets Play zu Motorsport Manager gemacht
Clemens? Hätte nicht gedacht dass ich dich hier wiedersehe haha
The Old Hockenheim was also pretty challenging
they ruined hockenheim
It wasn't. Almost flat out for all the track and only a couple of chicanes in the fast section, the current configuration is harder, more technical and produces better racing.
@@Kale050 I agree, but there wasn't much choice unfortunately
@@felid.769 sooo does it make it also an almost oval as well? I mean the old version
@@felid.769 Wrong! People only say that because any overtakes in the forest were often unseen by spectators It wasn't the best for spectators but the racing was always competitive and when it rained it got really fun because the plethora of trees in the forest meant the track often would get fully wet even in heavy rain . The stadium section was also a challenge when teams ran lower downforce wings with drivers fighting the car to keep the car on track in qualifying.
I live in Pescara, we do still have a whole street named after the Formula One Grand Prix. It's called "Via del Circuito" -
"The final two uses of the oval were primarily used to help Ferrari win"
O, how the tables have turned
Katsuki Bakugou Oh those days will be back eventually, guaranteed. F1 was bending over backwards for Ferrari up until about 10yrs ago. Since the new ownership took over Ferrari has been constantly pushing the limits and its backfired causing the them to not have the greatest relationship well if Ferrari continues to not be able to manipulate they’ll start doing their usually deal where they threaten to leave which could cause the new owners to appease them (tho I doubt it bc in America it’s always been viewed as distasteful how much Ferrari has gotten away with and with their “favoritism” treatment by always being the beneficiary of F1’s corruption).
Just like how party modes have just been banned when ferrari have a rubbish engine and are now struggling to keep up. Ferrari International Aid strikes again
Nice catch, this one :D
@@Tommy2shoe811 oh yeah, its the fia who has an eye for ferrari, definitely not ferraris management or staff that has limited them, and they wont threaten to leave the sport because its in their dna.
@@stevenrobinson3725 they were banned to see if they could slow mercedes. try looking at their pace for once, and youll know what i mean.
I am glad to see Monaco on the list. Everybody seems afraid to step out of line and criticize the sheer lunacy of Monaco as a modern GP.
I've seen plenty of people on Reddit asking F1 to drop it.
It has always been my favorite Grand Prix on the schedule. I would hate to see it go, but it would be very doubtful that they would ever drop it from the schedule.
@@Joe_Okey I am sorry, but I found your second sentence confusing.
@@TheInkPitOx I meant that if they ever dropped it from the schedule, I would be unhappy about it. Also, I doubt whether they ever would remove it as it has become such a huge part of F1 racing now.
@@Joe_Okey Ok
I actually really like the idea of combined monza. I think it would be an awesome track for modern f1. Nothing like actually going flat out for 30 or so laps.
It felt like I was one of the few who liked the Valencia Street Track. Using the old Fish Market buildings for the pit and paddock complex was imaginative, the swing Bridge was something that got engineers thinking about the transition from one section to another and the third sector (where the drivers were confronted with seemingly ever faster curves inches away from the buildings surrounding it) was great to watch. In one of the GP2 races in 2008, two of the championship contenders that year, Giorgio Pantano and Bruno Senna, ran out of fuel in the run up to the finish
Nah you ain't the only one, it's actually a good track
@@vyasponnuri3375 what's your favourite part of the layout?
@@SiVlog1989 actually the whole track
Yeah I liked it too
In my opinion it creates some of the best racing that there is.
AVUS is a Nice track...2 drs zones and 1 hairpin...perfect for overtakes
In other words, more merc domination 😂😂
And Ferrari would probably be all the way at the back and out of DRS range of any cars in front by the time DRS is enabled
the amount of smoke that will be blown from the engines could be more dangerous than covid-19
Ferrari with the cheaty engine probably would have loved that place 😅🤣😂
Lol
I was there at the 1984 Dallas Grand Prix and it was a train wreck! As mentioned, the track was coming apart but they were also having to weld down drains and manhole covers after they came up. Doing something outdoors in Dallas in July is never a pleasant experience and even as a resident it was hotter than Hades that weekend. But my strongest memory was watching Nigel Mansell getting out of his car and trying to push it across the finish line before collapsing from heat exhaustion!
I've lived in DFW my entire life. I am 44 and have vague memories of seeing the advertisements for the race. For the longest time, i thought it went through downtown, but driving the areas today that were used as part of the circuit are baffling knowing all the potholes that are there!
I am pleased that Monaco was on the list.
And the quote of "Like riding a bicycle around my apartment." Seems very fitting.
Never forget the Montjuic circuit in Barcelona. A relatively short track built on a mountain, like a fast Monaco but steep as hell.
Virgin F1 strange circuits:
An oval
A circuit with a petrol station
Circuits with ugly layouts
A car park
Overly long circuits
Chad Indycar strange circuits
A Circuit that go over railway crossings
A hillclimb
An airport
An oval with right hand turn
Explicitly ignoring COTA track limits
And, both series did race on a circuit that goes through a baseball stadium.
The modern Mexico track goes through a former baseball stadium, so in behalf of all Mexicans....
Dude, uncool
When did Indycar use a hillclimb
@@gamerageandhobbyrcdu Back in the 60s they ran non-championship races at the Pikes Peak hillclimb.
@@gamerageandhobbyrcdu that sounds like an absolute nightmare
@@botigamer9011 oversimplifed reference
There was a Santiago GP in 1950, the circuit layout was a triangle, but wasn´t a race for the championships points.
Love the PS1 footage
I know the game. the EXACT one.
@@Catcrumbs probably F1 94 if it exists
@@jorge8596
You mean Psygnosis' first F1 game? It was only called that and released in 1996, but featured the 1995 season.
@@Catcrumbs it was 'formula 1' by psygnosis on ps1. It was from the 1995 season but the canada track modifications were still in place that year...
@@jorge8596 they were showing 'formula 1' by psygnosis on the PS1 which is from the 1995 season although Geoff Crammond Grand Prix 2 on PC follows the 1994 season...
7:31
*Meanwhile, from a shed in the middle of the English rural areas*
"Hey guys, Sheddie Irvine here."
Except Eddie Irvine isn't English!!!
@@mattpotter8725 He didn't say Eddie. He said Sheddie. Who IS English.
I understood that referrance
I almost knew someone would mention the shed boi
shack villeneuve
My Dad actually worked at the Dallas Grand Prix as a volunteer and ended up with Ferrari for the weekend. Either Friday or Saturday he drove his brand new Honda Interceptor 500 into the pits. When he came back to get his bike and go home for the day, René Arnoux was looking at his bike and asked him if he could take his bike on a lap. My Dad said sure and Arnoux took it around the course twice, came back around and asked my Dad to do a lap. My dad did and said he was pretty nervous doing so, because he wasn't really supposed to be out on the track, but he got a lap in and wasn't caught!
Valencia! I miss that track, actually. Still vividly remember Alonso's win in 2012 & Weber's huge aerial crash in 2010.
I miss the old Hockenheim. blasting through the forest
@dein Pech mein Glueck
You mean... pre-broadcast times?
Same
I don't think you'd miss it anymore if you got to see what a race there today would look like.
Old Hockenhein require :
20% Driving Skill
80% Engine Power/Reliability
@dein Pech mein Glueck
That's why I asked if you mean pre-broadcast. Because by the time the races were shown on TV, there were tv cameras around the track and the race shown on big screens. So unless the grandstand at the first chicane(I think the only grandstand for spectators in the forest) didn't have one, you could see everything happening.
Absolutely agree that Monaco is a weird track, especially today, where the cars struggle to even turn around some of the bends...
They grow up so fast.
That's because todays cars are crap. Historic F1s from the 1960s/1970s always put on a great show at Monaco, with plenty of passing.
@@terryjacob8169 Of course. Not sure it's still suitable today though...
Was it only me that LOVED Valencia??? Especially in the F1 games
Yeah, valencia was awesome
European GP was awseome
No
I mean I Guess it’s just ok it feels a little forgettable
The races, except the one Fernando won, were very boring. To drive on a circuit on which you cant overtake with cars which are very difficult to overtake with, is just dumb
Monaco is still one of my top 5 tracks on the calendar. I wish we could have smaller cars that could compete a bit more around there, but I love the layout, the visual of cars flying around the circuit, and I enjoy that there's at least one track on the calendar that isn't dominated by who has the best engine, and where your pit stops really do mean something.
@Gary Garratt There is a spectacle to the whole weekend that I hope we never lose, as well as a storied history that in my opinion, is worth returning to every year for that alone. It clearly still means something to the drivers too, if Danny Ric's Monaco Crusade is anything to go by.
Monaco is lifting F1 racing from just driving a car on an asfalt track to giving the race a beauty, a soul and a human touch.
Formula E cars around there are really cool to watch. Certainly more exciting than F1
@@biketheperson6919 Yeah the FE race there at the full circuit was fuckin pure fire.
If the track was wider, I would agree with this idea. As it stands, qualifying is a substitute for race day, in most cases, and the majority of the overtaking happens during the pit cycle.
Azerbaijan is a much better road circuit imo because there's still a few decent places to overtake that aren't on the straights, and it doesn't feel like you're trying to rotate the car while standing still.
Monza combined is perfect to be used by a test track
That banking at high speeds would shake the cars apart.
*Indi 2005 flashbacks*
@@Arthurzeiro Pirelli need to up their game
well it certainly is fun to drive in a sim, that's for sure
ArthurAlcantara they need to fix the banking to make that suitable. If they fixed that, maybe we’ll also see Indycar at Monza one day.
Today’s Ferrari would lap Avus slower than cars did in the 50s
Yeah I mean p-17
yikes, savage!
Lucky there was no crowd at monza today... Would have been a riot.
You are joking, but in the late 1930's streamliners were passing each other at 380km/h on Avus, and no one knows what their top speed in slipstream was, because they could only measure speed by timing a section of the track.
That just make it even funnier, but i hope Ferrari gets well soon.
I would love to have that configuration of Monza in almost any racing game that shit looks fire
Assetto Corsa has it
And project cars 2
Project cars 2 has it as well
@@redking8274 I said that lol
BList Asseto corza it's on there
I quite enjoyed Valencia tbf, it was good fun to race on in the old f1 2009 game
No Charade ?
That track was mad it was on a mountain there were volcanics gravels everywhere and it was nearly 11km long
You must have gotten lost, they said weird tracks, not freaking amazing tracks. :D
The historic Charade was 8K. The modern Charade is just below 4K, but still a heck of fun to drive.
Montjuic as well
bremgarten
No wonder people call it “The French Nurburgring”.
Pescara made the Nordschliefe look like the Brands Hatch Indy layout
I believe WTF1 said something similar, something along the lines of "Pescara is so insane that it makes the Nordschleife look like Shanghai!"
That's why it's gone for good.
Brands Hatch has claimed more fatal crashes, then most of tracks of today's season. With 56 fatalities, during races..
Spa (which was a embarrassing show this year) is also high on the list.
As is Monza..
Avus and Monza on steroids need to come back. Slipstream fests are a proven recipe in today's F1.
renault's dream
Ferrari’s nightmare
Haas nightmare
Avus doesn't exist anymore, they stopped racing there after a death in Dtm in the 90's
@@michiadams AVUS still is one of the main motorways to get into the South of Berlin. It's a simple, straight 10km road. The banking is gone, but it's still very much usable. Source: I've been on the AVUS every day I drove to university.
Good point about Monaco. Just because we're used to a huge party followed by a crash strewn parade a narrow coastal road, it doesn't make it any less strange on a modern F1 calendar.
Valencia wouldn't have been nearly as weird if there wasn't a perfectly good circuit in valencia that they ignored
Ricardo Tomo is a great circuit
I miss Mosport, now called Canadian Tire Motorsports Park... I live 20 minutes away and would love to see it live!
There will never ne an F1 race there again, but I'd love to see IndyCar go there. Can't be more dangerous than a street circuit.
Jimmy Broadbend did that in a Sim.
Modern F1 car at the Nordschleife.
He beat his time set by the 919 Evo with DRS on the back straight.
Thank you for including Monaco. Most famous race in F1 yet is the literal opposite of the kind of track you'd put these cars on.
I swear the only reason it's still on the calendar is because of it's history.
I think Avus is the weirdest one
NO AVUS is the best TRACK in the world all circuit should be based off it
Miami's proposed F1 track seems to have taken some inspiration from it. Viet Nam also.
Racing went on until the late 1990s.
avus kinda looks like luigi's circuit from mario kart :P
@@shoukonya4257 Yeah It Kind Looks Like Luigi's Circuit From Mario Kart 64.
I think you missed the old Spa circuit. Amazingly fast and dangerous.
and long, 15 km.
Still the best track
The remark about the sharp left turn at Eau Rouge, that was mentioned as "Used only once", was not entirely correct. In the pre-WWII layout (30's) the cars would make a sharp left turn at Eau Rouge to go up to 'L'Ancienne Douane' (a hairpin turn that is still there) and then further up to Kemmel straight. ;)
Well, even though we have yet to race there I would say the Vietnam street circuit is a bizare circuit to look at when viewing the map.
Yes yes. Truly weird track.
I freaking hate that track in F1 2020
The proposed newer track in Miami looks wildly different to say the least!! wonder what the drivers will think of it
I think the mountain looking one looks odd. If you watch Nascar, you know that it looks a little familiar to Pocono if it had the deadliest back straight.
The old monaco configuration is even more silly, they actually had a ramp on the circut lmao
And cars could literally fall straight into the harbor
The old Spa circuit had a high speed kink between two houses so if drivers crashed there they would likely kill several people.
@@skyscall theres still a point where in case rescuers in scuba gear standby there
And he didn't mention that?
And one year a number of cars were literally knocked out of the race when a large wave broke on the circuit and made it too wet!
7:01 a guy in the background holding a tree from falling.
I know it wasn't a popular race, but I absolutely loved Valencia Street Circuit. One of my favorites to drive in the sim too.
Monaco is absolutely insane in an awesome sort've way. Having the fastest racing cars in the world flying around the right streets of a crowded city is so crazy.
Vegas just makes so much sense in a 1980s Las Vegas sort've way.
Everyone has to go there one day, it must be staggering to be there in person watching the cars fly by at nearly two hundred miles an hour down the main straight...
3:58 Those 1994 changes really ruined Estoril 😬
That chicane was actually built for the bikes a year earlier but no-one talks about that
Most of the changes to tracks forced by the FIA after Senna & Ratzenbergers deaths ruined tracks. Tamburello didnt need a chicane, it needed a gravel trap and a tyre wall. Same goes for the 2nd to last corner at Barcelona. Those temporary tyre chicanes were a knee jerk reaction, but one that was understandable at the time.
@@npc310177 Isn't the issue with Tamburello that there's nowhere to extend the run-off - unless you want to end up in the river.
@@npc310177 Tamburello obviously needed a chicane, no question there.
I live near Dallas, now, and I could not imagine squeezing in an F1 race these days, there's way too many people in this area. It's a shame because that track looked like an exciting layout.
The high banks on the old Monza oval is very steep, probably 70*+ at the top.
Impossible to stand on without holding onto the Armco barrier.
Would LOVE to see that monza track again, looks amazing
“Curiously, the Nurburgring was man made” nah, thought we stumbled across a bitumen circuit one day mate 😂
The scenes
Another interesting fact about the Dallas GP and Ayrton Senna, from a Dallas local. The track had issues with the concrete barriers shifting closer into the track throughout the weekend, due to the poor build quality. At one point during qualifying, if I remember correctly, Senna was able to tell that one of the barriers in the corner was off by only 3cm exactly. He told his team, team told the stewards, they went out to check it, and the barrier was, as Senna exactly said, 3cm off from when they first placed it before the GP weekend.
IIRC he hit the barrier and damaged his car, and said that the barrier must have moved as he was driving exactly the same line on every lap. At first the team didn't believe him, but he was so insistent that they went out and measured it and found he was correct!
@@RJSRdg That’s exactly how I originally heard it
I love the idea of the old Monza layout - a kind of hybrid between traditional course and American oval. Imagine if they could modernise it, with a proper barrier separating the two lanes on the main straight, and an Indy/Nascar style barrier and catch fence on the oval section.
Nothing like it will ever happen, but we can dream.
Even after the safety concern, the practical problem with the circuit crossing over itself in de driving direction is that it results in way too many right corners, especially with the old Ascari. The circuit in the video has 6 very long right turns and only 1 left kink. It would be near impossible with the modern tyres to race there due to wear.
At least there were overtakes at Valencia...
I don't recall any.
I must be one of the rare people who prefer the endurance layout of the Bahrain track. It actually seems to challenge the talents and abilities of the grid unlike most tracks.
It's more challenging, but the problem was that overtaking was not promoted through that configuration, so many spectators found it to boring. For me it's not the best track i've ever seen and i like the normal layout more, but still i find it more interresting than tracks like Abu Dhabi or Sochi
It's definitely more a track for exciting qualifying than exciting racing.
And I'd love to see Monza restored to using that banked oval again.
They use it in WRC
They still use it but for some motorsport shows and tourists.
I really loved the Valencian Circuit. Fast and unique corners/parts
Just recently played F1 2012 to race this track 😅💪🏻
I personally really liked Valencia tbh, espcially in games
The Dallas GP didn't precede the Detroit one. Detroit was in the calendar from 1982 to 1988.
And both were a disgrace to f1
If they had used the Belle Isle Circuit that Indy use itd be pretty good
@@someguy5487 And let's not even mention Phoenix!!!
Basically all USA street circuits for F1 from 1981-1991 (except Long Beach) were trash
(Said someone who likes Phoenix lol)
Circuit de Charade in France was very dangerous too ! A part of the GP was on the road, very close to cliffs.
An argument could also be made for the Old Hockenheim. It was a unique beast and while the redesigned circuit is good in its own right, it has absolutely no character and soul when compared to the old one. The old circuit stood out because it was unique. It could be raining at one end and completely dry at the other. And tackling the stadium section with no downforce created a difficult and unique challenge out of what was otherwise (or better- what has become) a generic and boring set of corners.
The Korean circuit which Formula 1 raced on around a decade ago was also weird. It never looked like the finished product and it was weird watching Formula 1 cars. the most technologically advanced cars in the world, race on a patched-up circuit in the heart of a swamp.
Yes, the old Hockenheimring was definitely unique, but it never got really good racing. Most of the track is basically flat out with 2-3 chicanes just to make unnatural overtake opportunities.
The new layout in my eyes does not just only provide better racing in general, it is actually much harder to master it with much more corners.
Also, I am not sure if the aspect with "It can rain on one side and be dry on the other side" is really a good one. Yes, it is definitely more likely than on a compressed circuit, but even then: Is it not a bit sad that most races at a track like that only got exciting because of the rain? I am not sure. Rain in general makes more interesting racing, not just at the old Hockenheimring.
The Southkorean GP is actually quite a nice track. It feels a bit weird to be honest with three big straights literally in a row and then this huge and hard 2nd and 3rd sector where you cannot really overtake without a 2-3 second time advantage, but it actually has quite a nice flow. Also, the races there were quite likely to have weird weather, because of the geographics. It´s interesting and decent, but also a bit awkward. I am not sure If I would put into the Top 10 though.
Ur mad the old Hockenheim is nothing special its just a super long dragstrip, the newer one has more characteristics and soul
@@Rocky712_ Regarding the Korean GP, we're in total agreement. Regarding Old Hockenheim, I think one needs to look at it in the context of other circuits on the calendar to truly appreciate its uniqueness. Whether one loved its layout or not, one cannot argue that it wasn't a unique challenge. For the F1 calendar in general, having these curve-ball circuits is a good thing. It mixes up the pack too. For example cars which usually did not do well because they had bad downforce but in turn had a powerful engine, used to look forward to Hockenheim as they often scored valuable points there.
@@jwork5680 Get out of here Tilke!
@@TeemoQuinton lol nice joke
For me one of the strangest was the old configuration of Spa until they shortened it to the track we know and love today
This videos add years to my life. Thx therace
Absolutely bang on with regard to Monaco. We accept it as a part of the modern calendar that although exciting in its own way, does not promote great racing. The idea of someone trying to get Monaco sanctioned as a race venue today sounds like something from an absurd sketch show.
The sponsors like it and that's why it's still there.
absolutely, david. a track where the race is mostly won in qualifying makes very little sense.
@@russell2165 Though it is possible to overtake at Monaco - as there were a number of overtakes in this year's Historic and Formula E races. However modern F1 cars have really become too wide.
The addition of the swimming pool section, the Nouvelle Chicane and the sharpening of Ste Devote probably don't help much either.
I miss the old Long Beach street circuit. The turn on to Pine must have been breathtaking.
01:57 Dallas didn't preceed Detroit, as that had happened already over two years prior. And it was also the preceding GP only two weeks prior to Dallas
While Monaco may be absurd, it is also arguably the most iconic race circuit in the world. It is the one circuit that F1 can't, nor ever should drop from the schedule.
Sakhir has instantly become one of my favorite tracks, I hope it will make a return some day.
same
It's still there, you mean the endurance version?
@@nickkarion Sakhir GP, a variation of the Bahrain Circuit. 3.5km track length with lap times of under a minute. Was not in 2021 calendar.
Oh, the oval one, I doubt it will come back but it gave us a memorable race, if only Russell wasn't knocked out by his own pit crew
Monocco is still my favorite f1 race and I've been watching it for over 35 years
What about Paul Ricard? The track that can hurt your eyes
Yeah, the design of the Astroturf is very odd ^^ But i actually quite like the circuit, its unfortunate it has produced only boring races so far.
kaMos *CS:GO* I think it would be a great circuit if it had some kerbs and some grass
The thing is that Paul Ricard is actually a great track. But they ruined it by replacing the grass and the gravel by more concrete with flashy sticky rubbons... it got absolutly ruined. It's like putting these terrible things at Monza...
Its a testing track and should have stayed a testing track, as a race track its awful
I like the look of paul ricard's runoff
When it comes to "Almost ovals" the Caesar's Palace track should get a further mention for the configuration used by Indycars for a couple of years after F1 left, bypassing the infield sections to create a layout of essentially 5 or 6 left handers
9:26 wrong! The Monza Rally Show still uses the bankings in every year.
The banking at Avus and Monza is so cool. Just played Mafia 1 and it's so obvious they took inspiration from those tracks for their racing track. Love that mission, even if it's hard as hell.
I think the Zeltweg Air Base track deserved a mention
Narrow, bumpy, L-shaped, no stands for the spectators. Should have been on the list imho.
Another addition to this list would be the original layout of SPA in Belgium where F1 (amongst other series) raced until the 1970s. Kind of comparable to the Nürburgring-Nordschleife.
Just to give you an idea, here's an excerpt from Wikipedia:
"Another particularly gruesome story comes from the 1972 24-hour touring car race. During one of his pit stops at night, Hans-Joachim Stuck shouted to his co-driver Jochen Mass over the noise from the cars that he should "look out for body parts at the Masta Kink". Mass arrived there expecting to see pieces from cars all over the road but was appalled to discover it was in fact the remains of a marshal"
Thanks for calling the outer track “inaccurately described as oval” since its similarity to an oval is the same as the similarities between Grosjean and Hamilton
For real. No banking, tight turns, definitely not an oval.
It's more like Pocono Speedway. Pocono is also called the tricky triangle. And now I want to see an F1 race there.
@@jeremymenchaca Pocono is an actual oval tho (tri oval but still)
"If Monaco was proposed today it would be laughed at"
Meanwhile Baku: Am I a joke to you?
Baku is wayyy better than monaco
@@lucas_13. baku is wide in some areas. Monaco has barriers inches away from you at all times
Am I the only one thinking Valencia was actually good? It had overtake possibilities, but the drivers weren't trying to overtake
It wasn’t that great.
It had a nice layout. I think the problem was, that in one year there were zero overtakes throughout the Grand Prix and that Ricardo Tormo is not to far away, which made the streetcircuit idea pointless
The problem was that the politicians who made this circuit were not re-elected, after taking our money with the excuse of America’s cup, F1 circuit and a lot of other stupid things.
There were no overtakes in the 2009 race!
I remember reading that the development of cars far outstripped the development of tracks - therefore by the 1970s accidents were common on circuits which were too narrow or twisty such as Watkins glen or the Nordschlife.
Case in point, Monaco.
Honestly, I loved Valencia for the Circuit itself and the great athmosphere
I loved the almost oval we got with Bahrein, we need more speed centric tracks.
Video doesn’t mention the time Nick Heidfeld did around the Nurburgring in the F1 car in 2007, but did mention the 5:19 that the Porsche did in 2019.
The F1 did it in 5:57 (technically).
Heidfeld wasn't going full tilt. open that F1 car up and the fastest lap record of today wouldn't have ever been set... with the downforce and lateral g capabilities of an F1 car would have put the heidfled lap into the sub 5 minute range... even in 2007.
the Zeltweg airfield circuit should be included, L shaped 4 turn course
I loved Valencia in the F1 2012 game!
Interesting programme, but, Tony Brooks won at AVUS in a Ferrari, not a Vanwall.
I actually liked the 2020 Sakhir layout it was weird but the overtakes were plenty and the pace was incredibly fast
4:23 : The infamous pif-paf. ^^
The old Spa circuit. Intriguing, yet weird... especially when the old Stavelot corner had an upgrade to make it a lot faster
Argentina 1995-98 could also be another, effectively Monaco without the houses
That layout was designed by Juan Manuel Fangio.
really? i loved that track
that track was a joke
@@Sem5626 Apparently Fangio had a predilection for twisted circuits and he designed that part of the track back in the 50's when it was built.
@@AlonsoRules Unfortunately the contract for the new era of the Argentinean Grand Prix was signed a few months after Senna's death back in 1994. The original idea was to use the same layout used during the 70's with the two long back straights around the lake but the FIA forced the promoters to use this small twisted layout for safety reasons.
The current Hermanos Rodriguez configuration is weird too since it goes through a baseball stadium
You forgot to mention the rather odd Korea International Circuit, which was designed to have a city built around it and be partially temporary.
The most surprising thing about the short Sakhir lap is that the other repeat circuits on the calendar this year DIDN'T tweak their layout to change the racing.
5:45 In fact, I would love to see at least one F1 race on such a track. At least one real High-Speed-race should be added to the calender after decades of characterless-tracks made by Hermann Tilke.
3:32 "caused by the suez crisis" threw me for a loop hearing that. lol
I think it would be awesome to see a modern Formula One car around the Nordeschlife if only to see the progress made.
Yeah, if the driver was brave enough! just going around there in a modern F1 car in AC is sketchy as, let alone doing it in real life. All the bumps, kerbs, and simply narrowness of it just make it scary.
So glad you put Monaco at #1.
It really has no business being on the calendar now. It remains on the calendar because "dude, tradition" and because it's such a big event that draws so many wealthy viewers to the race.
I get that it's super difficult to even complete a lap, but as far as racing goes, it's terrible.
Time trial track? Sure
Track that makes for quality modern F1 racing? Not a chance
2:40 holy god those tires are c o o k e d
It's just bits of discarded rubber that is off the racing line and has been picked up after the race is over to help increase the weight of the car for final weigh in. The tires run very hot and make them very sticky, so it is quite easy to collect some of the debris. It's quite normal. Check it out next time you watch a race and they are parking up, the wheels always look like crap.
Zeltweg was pretty weird as well. Just up and down an airport runway.
The Monza oval needs to be restored and used again by something.
its very old structure, i would only plant there flowers... better to build a new track than restore that, probably cheaper too
Monza rally use the bankings if I remember correctly
@@AgentH8voc I think they drive on the apron for the rally for one lap.
I find it quite cool that monza has this unused part of it that barely anyone knows about that is just hidden away from the normal circuits
Still racing in Monaco makes it the weirdest track by distance.
The most bizzare circuit config has to go to the original X shaped Silverstone of the 1930's! An X shape where at certain points cars would drive on the back half directly towards those heading off uthe start straight, only for the 2 ends of the track coming together at hairpins, protected by a few metres and a couple of rows of hay bales! Ah, the good old days of an iconic founder circuit.
Definite typo. Silverstone could not possibly have existed in the 1930's. 1950's. But absolutely correct as to track configuration.
Grand Prix of Denver was interesting too.
I disagree with Monza as a weird track. That was an iconic track layout. I would personally love to see modern F1 cars race there. Who doesn't like some fierce racing ?? Only if modern F1 drivers had Balls of Steel like in the 60s