I believe it. I killed a pair of wolves fuckin in the Forrest and I dropped an entire inch of honor from near max. That will take some time to get back
Look how much he struggled on a sick exhausted Arthur who was so exhausted he couldn’t go with John anymore if athur was healthy he would destroy that bitch
I can understand why, but I still kind of liked Strauss. He only sent Arthur because not only did he trust Arthur, but he knew that Arthur could get the job done while he could not. Strauss genuinely thought they were friends. Even when he was caught by Pinkertons, he never squealed and died without uttering a word, man was loyal.
I agree with you. Also, the job was legal after all. But I think what really made Arthur despises Strauss is that he got TB in one of Strauss missions so indirectly, Strauss killed Arthur.
Out of all the activities that the gang does arthur mentions many times that having to loan shark is the most dirty thing & he hates it. Trying to collect from a grieving widow with a kid was a new low for even Strauss. Glad Arthur gave him the boot
@@htsaul1569 tbh I don't think that's why Arthur got so mad think about it they're outlaws that don't have much themselves and they always talk about how they want a better world and want to be better and only steal from the rich but by doing these debt missions it's the exact opposite they're ruining good innocent people's lives and most of the time they're only getting 20 or 30 dollars from it (which I know is alot back then but Bills bank heist gets you about 20k plus you can easily make more then 20 or 30 dollars selling horses and carriages). The gangs "code" is in the mud and this debtting business proves that
John Cray Hosea and Lenny was my fav besides John and Arthur. I also pretty like Charles. But I hated Micah from the start, I knew he wasn’t gonna be a good guy.
Him walking up in front of the cabin with the widow and the child is a parallel to the Downes cabin. Back at Downes’, he took the money and left them in a desperate situation. And he’s clearly told “Don’t kid yourself, you had a choice.” Now the situation repeats itself, he’s again faced with a cabin with a widow and her son and this time he can make the right choice. The husband’s name was Arthur and he died, this is both a parallel to Arthur literally dying and also an imagery of Arthur’s old self finally dying. He may have started changing before, but standing in front of that cabin again is the moment he changed completely.
amazing observation. this side mission is also about parallel to Edith Downes' sidequest, and it also proves to be a pivotal point to Arthur's redemption. it all started from Thomas Downes' debt that Arthur seek regardless of the situation, and the family he left behind snowballed into disaster beyond fixing. after that mission encounter i think Arthur couldn't afford the same fate befall another family.
You're right about it being a parallel but wrong about what the parallel is about (or from how I see it anyways) there's an instance where Arthur talks about his Kid an the kids mother and how they where killed over a matter of a couple dollars. The same situation is here except this time they don't have anyone to look after them and Arthur's the one hunting them down for the money so to speak Imagine how bad you must feel this situation has happened in your life and now you're the one causing it
@@ulranstormbear5204 By this point in the game Dutch is completely delusional and wants Micah-esque zany schemes and bedlam as opposed to boring "book keeping" type jobs. Early Dutch would have been rational enough to keep Strauss. Late Dutch probably found him boring and maybe too "civilized" for his tastes.
I cannot prove it, but I heard rockstar spent over 10 million on this game alone. That's insanity in my book. It was, I think in a video about the game. I heard that quite a while ago.
3:12 the face and voice that Arthur makes saddens men, he feels repentance about all his mistakes he made and he knows that his time has come, this game is a just wonderful from gameplay to story telling.
Jason Hogan I think it’s so stupid how when John’s voice actor suggested John would cry at the end of RDR2 a bit they said “John Marston doesn’t cry” but lets the even more badass Arthur tear up multiple times in the game.
@@noamias4897 Well Arthur cries because he did so many wrong things in the game and feels sorrow and regret, because John didn't do anything as bad as Arthur and is not actually dying and having to say goodbye to everyone.
@Cheap Coffee arthur tries. He has commited crimes but as the game goes on, he helps more and more people, arthur isn't a good man, nor is he a bad man. He is just a man.
reece duddridge Its just a game you fat sweaty piece of shit, no need to be insulting the other guy but I am being hypocritical but I dont give A FLYING FUCK
We rob and kill people, but if we offer money to someone in return that we get the money back its bad. People should have known the trick of getting a loan.
Even though this mission is secondary, to me THIS is the point where Arthur realizes how broken he is. I was tearing up at 3:12 because I could hear the pain in Morgan's voice; he's not apologizing only to her, but to everyone he has ever harm. Goddamn it, what a great fucking game.
4:10 My parents after i've finished school. Edit 2 Years later: Okay, i forgot this comment and saw how many likes and comments has this got, cool xD thx guys!
Well considering that you need max honour to get the ultimate ending I see why. Since so many people played like a dick before this. I mean even NPC's tel you how to get it and tbh ? It's not hard to get max honour really. Just greet people and dogs/cats
Thing is he was still loyal,Strauss in John's story he was captured by agents and he got killed in torture,but he didnt say a word about Vanderlinde boys
Towards the end, Arthur rubbed off on Strauss in a good way because in the epilogue, Charles said that Strauss was interrogated but never said a thing.
Barricaded Purifier even if you didn’t do any of his missions, Strauss still didn’t talk. I guess he was a loyal guy to the gang even though he was a scummy person.
Arthur could've gone about this in another way. Despite what Arthur said in this scene, he clearly cared about Strauss deeply despite how people are choosing to interpret this scene. Arthur's actions toward Strauss was partly out of his love for him despite how disgusted he became in the end. Arthur spared him because, he wanted to give him a chance to change. Just like how he had been given a chance to change for the better.
@@cjwzombie He doesn't force them to accept a loan. They need a loan because they're desperate, he even says it himself. Only desperate people will accept my loan. They choose to accept, they bare the full responsibility of their actions. He doesn't force them into debt, he gives out a loan and expects it to be repaid with interest. How they do it is none of his concern since they agreed to do so.
@@diobrando2575 No, he doesn't send a guy to beat them half to death. He sends a guy who encourages them to pay their debts. How he decides to encourage them is also none of his concern. Arthur can use the threaten option and most people will pay their debts without him throwing a single punch. The fact that he decided to beat on a sick farmer with tuberculosis is his own fault. Strauss asked him for help collecting money from a debter and to use what means he deems necessary. If someone can't pay, he can't pay no matter bad you beat him. Arthur getting sick and dying is a result of his own violent aggressive actions. As the saying goes, those who don't seek death won't die. Arthur even said he beat up a guy with tuberculosis to the point where he coughs up blood into his face just for a couple of dollars. That is not Strauss's fault. Also Strauss mentions it before but its his business that helps feed the women and children within the camp. He contributes a lot and even when he's being tortured, he still said nothing about the gang. He was loyal, through and through. A bit shady but a loyal companion. Strauss was a guy who never forgot his debts and he even died to pay them back.
Naofumi Iwatani from a modern world, to a fantasy world, and then to the red dead redemption 2 world, man how many worlds have you’ve been reincarnated to?!
People that say that “Strauss made Arthur sick” need to realize that Arthur is responsible for his own actions. Arthur made Arthur sick when he beat a sick man for money. That’s the whole point of him getting TB, it’s poetic justice for what he did.
Strauss gave money to people since he knew they wouldn't be able to pay it back. Dutch's gang is about robbing from the rich and giving to the poor. Strauss's business went against that, yet Arthur didn't realize that until now since this was one of camp's main ways to get money so nobody really questioned it.
@@patricioperez7323 well not they could refuse it don't matter at this point Bills literally calling Charles, John and Arthur traitors anyways. I think it's mostly they disagreed with his business but Dutch kept him around now that Arthur kicked him out they didn't disagree is all
I like how the Foreman seems like a prick, but the moment Arthur tries chewing him out for his lax attitude toward his worker's plight, he immediately and without hesitation shuts him down with "Hey, I ain't the god forsaken money lender!"
When Arthur sees the little boy, I think that changes his whole outlook. He already felt bad when he confronted the widow, but was still going to try to do his job and get what he could from them. The boy was the straw that broke the camel's back, when he decided he couldn't do this anymore, and that he was tired of being the man that he was. That was the moment, I think, that Arthur killed the monster that was inside of him. Helping the Downes was enough to push him to the line, but this is the moment when he crossed it.
Strauss is legitimately deserving of this. He may not be as flashy or direct as some others, but he loans far more than regular people could ever hope to repay in the time frame he prepares. And he sends Arthur, and probably others, out to collect for him. People who have no compunctions whatsoever about being violent and hurting people. He preys on desperation and puts them in far worse situations than they were in before.
He really didn't. Is giving out a beating worst case scenario worse than just murdering a few people best case scenario like how all the other gang members make their money? Strauss was the gangs best earner in terms of morality
I said this in another comment, but Arthur is technically worse than Strauss. Arthur has killed way more innocent people like bank guards, stage coach guards and police officers than Strauss has by causing them to over work. The men that Arthur kill have kids as shown in the epilogue when the guard is telling John about his kids at home. Many women and children are probably orphaned or widowed by the actions of Arthur but this is the first time he actually sees it himself and it's just a fraction of the pain he caused.
I like Arthur as a character, but he's still evil because he is weirdly loyal to the wrong people like Dutch. The only moral thing he could have done is run off with Mary and live a normal life similar to John.
I think the most haunting part of this particular mission is how the one he's collecting from is also named Arthur, which as he keeps searching for the man only to find out what happened, can constantly be a reminder of himself, like he's hunting himself in the end.
This mission parallels Arthur. He lost his wife and son from some thieves who robbed them for money and killed him. He was so heartbroken seeing Mrs.Londonderry and her son because they reminded him of Elisa and Issac. Only this time he did what he couldn’t do before, and saved them in a way.
Wow. I shed a tear watching Arthur's expression when he apologized to the lady the first time.. And watching it again made me cry again, this game is so powerful, really. Arthur Morgan is probably the most human character in vg history, and I don't mean human like someone good, but actually as someone who makes mistakes, takes bad decisions and lives with regret. Rockstar really did a good job.
Amen! Most "humans" in video games would realize the errors of their ways and wish to rectify it, but never do they utter a line like "Don't thank me." or "I don't expect you to forgive me." the way Arthur Morgan did. And the PAIN in his voice, filled with so much disgust and shame of himself, it's so... real. Arthur Morgan IS as real of a Human Being as characters in games get.
That’s because he was reminded of his family. He had a son named Issac with a random waitress named Eliza. Every once in a while Arthur would visit them and provide food and money as they were poor and desperate. But then one day he discovered that some men robbed the house and killed both Eliza and Issac. Arthur lost his family from money and greed which is what he felt he was doing to this family
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 no Arthur did not need to die. Near the end of the game Charles & Sadie mentioned that they wanted to move to different countries like Charles wanted to start a family. Arthur could've done the same thing if he did not get sick he probably would've told John that he's leaving to see Mary & hope to marry her because he doesn't like the way his life is going right now. See not every character has to die just for the story to make sense. It doesn't make sense at all that John doesn't mention Arthur or anyone besides Javier, Bill & Dutch during red dead redemption 1.
"I'm--" "--Leavin'." This is still one of my many favorite lines from this game. Arthur getting the literal last word is so goddamn good for closing out the "Herr Morgan" story. People who didn't get the good honor sequences in chapter 6 are criminal.
Not really. Don't get me wrong I like Arthur as a character but he's still far from being moral. Think about how many stage coach guards and police Arthur has killed in robberies. He's probably created way more widows and orphans than Strauss ever has. In some way or another everyone in the gang is evil.
Even though I started to be a good guy and gave all debtors money and kicked strauss to make Arthur's story a proper redemption story and get the best ending but god did I loved beating people up when lone sharking
I always felt horrible when I did it. If I could, I just threatened them and that was that. I didn't like to take all those people had. They were just poor people down on their luck who made a bad decision.
But what if i tolled you it wasn't because i played through the game i had tuberculosis after killing all the legendary animals right after getting to horseshoe overlook and upgrading my character to the max with all trinkets and talis men and stuff and when i got the mission to rob a homestead the one with the wierd talking people after that ended Arthur coughed up a lot of blood right out side the barn and Javier said are you ok Arthur Arthur says yeah im good its good now guess i got a upset stomach try it maybe in time you get it not from the mission my friend who played the game also got it before even getting to horseshoe overlook and my other friend never even got it wierd maybe this is what the meant when the said if you dont take care of Arthur bad things happen
@@vladtheimpalerofficial no. He gets tuberculosis from Thomas Downs coughing blood on his face. The homestead robbery is optional. And it takes tuberculosis at least one month to show symptoms. The debt collecting missions are required and Arthur gets tuberculosis no matter what. He writes in his journal. This is how he got it and he tells his gang members that this is how he got it. Strauss couldn't have known but still I wish I could skip that collecting all together. Kind of annoying when you're trying to do a good play through and during the cutscene Arthur suddenly becomes a douchebag and beat the shit out of some dude over $20
I feel bad for Strauss, he didn't intentionally make Arthur get TB. Although he preyed on the weak with his loans, I still feel like Arthur was a little too harsh on him, they were friends.
The thing is, Arthur was riddled with guilt by seeing the wife and child barely surviving. And he was disgusted that Strauss would take money away from them without a second thought, so in disgust and rage, he threw Strauss out as he wasn't going to shelter someone who preyed upon the desperate and hungry. Strauss however, probably felt awful from Arthur's TB and all the loans he put on the families, so to make up for what he had done, he refused to rat out the gang.
Boi you dont get it. Dutch gang were thieving the richs and gave to the poor. They even say so in a camp conversations. Struss was going against every principle the gang was about.
@@fuckugplus I understood perfectly what the gang was about. But keep in mind that their old ways have been abandoned an the game focuses on their time of desperation because of how they are being hunted down.
I like how much of the Darkness and redemption is in the debt collection missions. I beat a man into a lethal attack of his tuberculosis, catching it myself. I shot a man to death in front of his son (granted he tried to kill me, but it still felt sick), but on that last one you can see that Arthur has been moving forward, at least if you choose right and cultivate honor.
Señor Sirowatko No I think it’s just cause Arthur knew his death was close to coming at this point or knows he can’t ever live a normal life at this point he realizes his leader Dutch is just getting greedy and only caring for the survival of himself he realizes his gang is no more different than any other just like what Karen said
Señor Sirowatko You know, if you go back to that shack where you shot the dad in front of his son, there's a grave dug for the dad, and if you go into the kid's room, he'll knife fight you.
You see, this is when he realized that the stuff the gang fell to was absolutely despicable. Now robbing banks and trains, trying to keep people alive is different then beating the money out of people that need it.
madman191 yeah, should of said while trying to keep them alive. Sure the gang kills, but Aurthur and John were always sorta against that. It seems Dutch was against it as well, but his sanity seemed to drop in his later years. Arthur seemed to believe in 2 ways of being a outlaw, the evil and the good. Which even if you choose the most evil outcomes, Arthur always seemed to believe in the good.
madman191 that didn’t start until 1899 in Blackwater even Arthur mentions how he never killed people like that, and killed so many, only robbed and helped people
He still kills A LOT of lawmen, but I choose to believe that many of them aren’t real and just there for gameplay, like I don’t think Nathan Drake really kills 200 people across his years as a treasure hunter
Straus is a straight g. I heard his life story and man it’s a sad one it gave me empathy for the guy. Idk if he has the same outcome for every game but later in the campaign he’s brought up again n it shows straus wasn’t a punk.
@AustralianGaming That's why I don't hate the guy. Sure, he's scummy by loaning money and having someone forcibly collect the debts. But least he stayed loyal till the very end
2:09 I cried when I heard that. The pain of starving and just holding out and hoping that something lucky comes along your way; I can empathize with that. I went through that myself before and will never forget the pain.
I just think it's interesting that Rockstar Games parent company's CEO is named Strauss. Coincidence? or does he represent the greed that some of these corporate executives have?
That’s definitely an inside joke at Rockstar. Take Two are the ones behind Rockstar’s shark cards in GTA V after its success and I’m sure they demanded the same performance from RDR Online, since Strauss is the CEO of that pretty greedy company I’m sure they named Strauss after him. No developer in the entire fucking world thinks to themselves “Now I’m finally gonna be able to program a flying bike that ruins the fun of the other players and costs so much in game money the player is gonna spend real life money to get it” when getting to work.
I think when arthur went to that last woman and saw her son and her struggling, he realized strauss had gone too far, that and strauss needed to get out of there since shit was gonna hit the fan. But I’m guessing strauss understood maybe not at first but he did. Since when the cops got him he didn’t say a word, and died in prison without ever ratting on his comrades like someone we know.
It's more then that, both debts mirrors his own history and what might have been. First was a man on the run who was protecting his wife and future child, which was almost similar to his past. Second was his namesake, Arthur(the one owing the debt) couldn't be around for his boy anymore in a way Arthur Morgan just snapped and had enough
I got to the John section before I completed this mission and don't think there is a way to resume it. Cool scene but more gutted I missed the max honor boost Edit: Nearly 150 likes? Hot damn, thanks guys.
@@chriscurtis5883 I really didn't. Did almost every quest I had found hence Leaving behind the more repetitive one for later. Just didn't expect the game to esssntially have a full hard reset upon entering the epilogue. plus I was intrigued about new Austin.
Yeah honestly the game is great but it seems kinda shitty that after I finish the main story I cant do some of the side missions, even if it does make sense
Such a powerful scene. Immense. Not only for the impeccable writing, but also because the story took time to build the character up to this, so it just hits you on another level.
If you think about I think Arthur sees himself and his past in these 2. Keep reading.. the father name was Arthur (like Arthur Morgan..) he lost his son and wife to robbers for 10 bucks.. He wasn't there for them when they needed him the most and now he's doing the same to another family (almost) This is where he's like... ''Fuck Straus''
sw19921709 I’m very empathetic, so I also felt pretty bad for Strauss. Arthur was just tired of hurting these good people, so he was probably just pretty angry. Still, explaining to Strauss what he was doing wrong would have been nice.
In terms of story this is the greatest game of all time the story of simple man who knows nothing but loyalty questioning his purpose and the purpose of his family/gang obviously depending on the ending you get be it low honour or high honour Authur Morgan paved the way for John Marston to find redemption whilst finding his own form of redemption brings a tear to my eye thinking upon it every time without fail.
Did he though? I mean, when you think about it, this gang was mean as hell. They preyed mostly on innocent homesteaders. I’m sure they were good people and all, but the things they did were hardly forgivable because of their nice personalities.
@@537monster Eh the debt missions are the only missions I can remember where they actively attack weak and poor homesteaders which shows the hypocrisy of Dutch from chapter 2. The gangs "code" is take from the rich and give to the poor but Strauss whole business literally goes against that and as seen by chapter 6 when no one stops Arthur kicking out Strauss most of the camp members don't seem to actively disagree Dutch might have but by this point he's gone cuckoo cuckoo. Anyways I do agree Strauss didn't redeem himself I guess it's more like he did the right thing in the end
@@lewanbroski504 I’ve been replaying the story and there are some scenes where Arthur says “people don’t want us around no more” and I can help but wonder if nobody ever actually wanted them around. It’s just that people like Arthur don’t have as much power anymore, and now people are finally willing to tell them to screw off.
3:12 that quote is such as emotional as "I'm afraid" with the nun. You can feel Arthur regretting all the things he have done to this people because of Strauss.
@@John-uw2je but at the end of the day they still ruined lives the same way Strauss did, so it don't matter how they started out also if that was the case than why didn't they do something about Strauss earlier?
Which is worse, stealing from a wealthy enough man who has a great standing and won’t be too affected by your theft or stealing from a completely desperate man who barely has anything himself and beating on him until he eventually gives away his personal possessions just to make you leave?
@@cjv8522 you make it sound like they don't kill the guards trying to protect said money, shit sometimes they even kill the owners of said money lets not forget the people who are just doing their jobs like the train driver and the shop owners or how about the fact that not every person they stole from was as wealthy as Cornwall And this is all without even mentioning the impact of stealing from the towns bank.
semm semm They never kill the owners of the money unless you specifically as Arthur do or the owner attacks them, forcing them to defend themselves. As for the guards attacking them, they do have to defend themselves. Then again, you’re right and that doesn’t justify them doing these crimes. But yet again, it is much more disturbing to rob from an already poor and desperate man than from someone who’s decently wealthy.
@@casualgamers3369 Well , canonically , the number of fatalities in Van der Linde Gang robberies has been very small prior to the downfall .Even during it , they tried to make then bloodless .Although , they more than failed .
arthur just kicked strauss out of the camp, and out of the gang. and not 1 person had a thing to say on the matter. Shows you how much they "liked" strauss.
I don't really have that much of a problem with what Strauss does. If I lent money to people, I'd want it back too. A friend of mine once begged me to lend him money. More than a thousand dollars for a rent deposit. We came up with a payment plan, for him to pay me back within a year, which he ignored after about a week. He started avoiding me, but we still had the same group of friends. He wouldn't answer the phone, and if I was at some party where he was planning to be, he'd cancel. Stuff like that. He was making plenty of money too, taking fancy vacations, buying new electronics, etc. After about a year of him dodging me, I just told everyone that he ripped me off. His closest friends started calling him up, talking shit to him, and he paid me back within a month. I still hang out with him sometimes, but I wouldn't lend him a nickel. He's back in debt, of course, and is irresponsible with his money. I definitely don't feel sorry for him. It's one thing to have student loans or a mortgage, but idiots that borrow money for frivolous things deserve whatever comes their way. Especially farmers in the wild west. They weren't borrowing money for food, obviously. What were they spending the money on, hookers?
I feel that they could have done more with Strauss in order to make him seem more ambivalent and sympathetic like the other gang members: A guy who does horrible thing to contribute to the gang's finances, but who also is a loyal friend to his fellow gang members and considers them family and heaps kindness upon them when they are among themselves. E.g. it would have been nice if there had been a few camp scenes of him being a kind ucle to Jack or of him teaching Jack math, or of him relating exciting stories at the camp fire ore singing some nice sounding Austrian folk song etc. And they could have made it more clear that Arthur, and not Strauss bears the main responsibility for Arthur getting TB. E.g. when Strauss sends Arthur off on his debt collecting mission and telling him about the various people who owe the gang money, Strauss could have said something to Arthur, when addressing the case of Thomas Dows, like "...and then there is that fellow Dowes. You should go easy on him, 'cause he is in bad health, so please no unnecessary violence" -> and when Arthur arrives at Dowe's ranch he recognizes him from Valentine and gets angry 'cause he recalls that Dowes got in his way when he was beating up Tommy in front of the Saloon, and thus loses his self-control and needless beats up Dowes. And when he returns to camp to tell Strauss how the debt collecting jobs went he mentions that he was very brutal to Dowes and beat him to a bloody pulp, whereupon Strauss is aghast and says something like "Dear god, why did you do that? The man is sick! We just want our money back. We do not want to make that man's health worse than it is anyway!" And Arthur says something like "Yeah, I just lost it. I had a run-in with the man in Valentine he stepped in and prevented me from finishing a guy who had messed with me in the Saloon...I guess I was just still very angry about that, so when I recognized him I just lost it and needlessly beat the man up 'cause I resented him for daring to get in my way in Valentine...You are right, Leopold, I should have gone easier on him and just given him a few stern looks to intimidate him, so that he would roll up his sleeves to get his act together any pay us back, instead of manhandling him..." Something like that would have made Strauss a more complicated and three-dimensional character IMHO
I realized. If you do everything a survicing man does you end up in the middle. You are not a bad man or a good man. If you go by the morals you end up a good man. If you go by the rules you end up a bad man. But if you do what you gotta do game finishes in the middle. Just a decent man. I realized it yesterday.
Strauss only ever put a single carrot in the box during my play through.
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lmao still more than what micah offered
Pearson and his fucking Bat wings
DeMarco Doe I saw one time Micah donated 25 bucks to the camp funds, so idk.
Strauss gave me 2 bat wings
That "I'm sorry ma'am" was so genuine. Damn Arthur is such an amazing protagonist.
you can really see it in his expression how genuinely sad he was for them
1000th like!
I need some acting tips from him. How does be make his eyes go all shiny like a puppy in that moment
Yes
I shed a tear when he said I’m sorry ma’am
"This mission gives you max honor."
take this to true ending.
People who lose it untill the last misson
I believe it. I killed a pair of wolves fuckin in the Forrest and I dropped an entire inch of honor from near max. That will take some time to get back
@@iakovos56 u need max to get the good ending?
@@iakovos56 don't spoil anything pls BTW
@@Useresu1234 no u dont need max honor, just enough
After you complete the game, the papers say he dies in interrogation. He never said a word though. L O Y A L T Y
More like he started to see for what he truly was, and understood why Arthur kick him out. What goes around comes around.
Nicolas Larrain spelt scumbag wrong.
The Dark Knight even if you don’t kick him out he doesn’t snitch out the gang
It’s kind of sad to hear about him dying.. shows that the gang reached the bottom
R E D E M P T I O N
If it werent for the sickness, arthur woulda decimated micah
LunchBox I know it was damn sad to watch and he still give micah a beating
That's why micah played relatively nice till Arthur got sick then he really ran his mouth
LunchBox Exactly Arthur woulda beat the dog shit outta him and threw him off the mountain
Look how much he struggled on a sick exhausted Arthur who was so exhausted he couldn’t go with John anymore if athur was healthy he would destroy that bitch
fuck micah, i’ve never wanted to kill someone more in a game than him
I can understand why, but I still kind of liked Strauss. He only sent Arthur because not only did he trust Arthur, but he knew that Arthur could get the job done while he could not. Strauss genuinely thought they were friends. Even when he was caught by Pinkertons, he never squealed and died without uttering a word, man was loyal.
Loyal, but a scumbag.
@@sexyalien806 better then a lot of people these days
I agree with you. Also, the job was legal after all. But I think what really made Arthur despises Strauss is that he got TB in one of Strauss missions so indirectly, Strauss killed Arthur.
Out of all the activities that the gang does arthur mentions many times that having to loan shark is the most dirty thing & he hates it. Trying to collect from a grieving widow with a kid was a new low for even Strauss. Glad Arthur gave him the boot
@@htsaul1569 tbh I don't think that's why Arthur got so mad think about it they're outlaws that don't have much themselves and they always talk about how they want a better world and want to be better and only steal from the rich but by doing these debt missions it's the exact opposite they're ruining good innocent people's lives and most of the time they're only getting 20 or 30 dollars from it (which I know is alot back then but Bills bank heist gets you about 20k plus you can easily make more then 20 or 30 dollars selling horses and carriages). The gangs "code" is in the mud and this debtting business proves that
"You need the money I don't."
>$35,460.29
Shit, at that point he could've taken everyone to Tahiti himself. lol
Hank Chen is there an efficient way of getting that much money? Cause I’m robbing places and I’m getting about $50 per side business.
IvanTheTerribleAtCivV 1 yeah gold glitches
Dutch who? Arthur could've given the entire gang their own separate mansions on their mango farm in Tahiti.
@@davidfrancis421
Finding gold bars and gold nuggets
Robbing stage coaches
Selling jewelry to fencing
Well its because Of strauss That he got tuberculosis
Yes
No it's not actually. Know why?
@@morganbailey3231 he was sent to collect money, violently if they didn't give it up. That's how lonesharks work
Dylan W I know what it is. But that's not how he got the disease.
@@morganbailey3231 then how
Well at least arthur didn't get lumbago
To soon
It’s a slow and painful death, my brother
It's very serious
My friend had one and he said the pain from it was 11 out of 10.
I.. I have Lumbago If I overdo it I get a relapse!.. It’s very serious!
God I kept wishing for an ending where Arthur would've coughed in Micah's face just like one last kick in the balls before he went...
Cj Epp I thought that as well. Be even more epic if his final words to Micah after that had been to call him Black Lung.
Arthur is too much of a gentlemen to want to wish that disease on anyone
GODDAMIT ROCKSTAR MISSED A PERFECT ENDING!!!!! But then again it would mean we couldnt get our revenge and waste all our ammo on micah in the end
Remember how Dead Rising allowed you to spit when you were unarmed? Give that ability to dishonorable players!
I swear in my ending arthur spat on his face
Even though strauss would loan money to families unable to play off the debt he didn’t rat on the gang after he was kicked out
Kenyan Gamer yeah, part of me thought he would have
💯
True Micah is the reason we lost Lenny and Hosea great people. Sucks they died because of some 6 month rat
John Cray Hosea and Lenny was my fav besides John and Arthur. I also pretty like Charles. But I hated Micah from the start, I knew he wasn’t gonna be a good guy.
I kinda saw..
Micah, when arthur get kidnapped by O driscolls or it just me, it was blurry scene though.
Him walking up in front of the cabin with the widow and the child is a parallel to the Downes cabin. Back at Downes’, he took the money and left them in a desperate situation. And he’s clearly told “Don’t kid yourself, you had a choice.” Now the situation repeats itself, he’s again faced with a cabin with a widow and her son and this time he can make the right choice.
The husband’s name was Arthur and he died, this is both a parallel to Arthur literally dying and also an imagery of Arthur’s old self finally dying. He may have started changing before, but standing in front of that cabin again is the moment he changed completely.
amazing observation. this side mission is also about parallel to Edith Downes' sidequest, and it also proves to be a pivotal point to Arthur's redemption. it all started from Thomas Downes' debt that Arthur seek regardless of the situation, and the family he left behind snowballed into disaster beyond fixing. after that mission encounter i think Arthur couldn't afford the same fate befall another family.
You're right about it being a parallel but wrong about what the parallel is about (or from how I see it anyways) there's an instance where Arthur talks about his Kid an the kids mother and how they where killed over a matter of a couple dollars.
The same situation is here except this time they don't have anyone to look after them and Arthur's the one hunting them down for the money so to speak
Imagine how bad you must feel this situation has happened in your life and now you're the one causing it
I think you’re absolutely right; I didn’t even think about it like that at all and I’m on my 4th play through.
Damn that's good thanks for sharing that
Arthur’s wife and child got killed by loan sharks which is probably why he hated doing it so much
I ended up missing this mission so Strauss just vanished and nobody said shit lol
same
Fuuck Strauss that piece of trash 🗑
GoombaGenocide he dies when you see Charles after the epilogue he says that he dies being interrogated
Carry Wood he is not trash he was a loyal man and never ratted the gang out after being kicked out
Carry Wood no fuck you
I like how nobody questioned his choice to kick Strauss out
They dont but they get annoying about it and start saying oh you gonna kick me out like you did to Strauss
To be perfectly honest, it's Arthur who kicked him out.
@@agafebriawan5715 that's what he said
@@ChrisTheCentaur but why didn't Dutch say something?
@@ulranstormbear5204 By this point in the game Dutch is completely delusional and wants Micah-esque zany schemes and bedlam as opposed to boring "book keeping" type jobs.
Early Dutch would have been rational enough to keep Strauss. Late Dutch probably found him boring and maybe too "civilized" for his tastes.
“I’m sorry, ma’am. I really am...” Damn Arthur hit me right in the feels :(
It was at this point Arthur knew he needed to change.
fr bro I caught chills when he said that
Ya know... I think Arthur Morgan may be rockstar's best protagonist. Goddamn ...
Edit: holy shit guys thanks for the likes and comments!
Yo Mommas Walker nah not Franklin. Trevor.
definatly top5 yep
Arthur is like niko they have no choice, the criminal life is the only they have
Yo Mommas Walker Trevor was far more interesting than Franklin, hell even Michael was more interesting tbh.
Midgee "Something don't feel too good.."
Wow. How does Rockstar do it. Arthur was crafted so amazingly. It was sad to see him go. This game is a masterpiece.
Bruh didn't Chris Hansen bust you trying to solicit a minor
@@papapreston2356 lmao. also I agree, Arthur Morgan had some of the most beautiful character development I had ever seen in a video game.
I cannot prove it, but I heard rockstar spent over 10 million on this game alone. That's insanity in my book. It was, I think in a video about the game. I heard that quite a while ago.
@@MrArcadia2009 10 million is nothing for Rockstar lmao and your wrong they roughly spent 540 million for rdr2
They had to sacrifice the budget for the GTA remakes to make this... we better be grateful
0:23
*“OUTA THE DAMN WAY!”*
*“hey partner..”*
*“Howdy!”*
Talk about mood swings
@@Kamal_AL-Hinai lol
*”FOLLOW THE DAMN TRAIN!”*
Sorry wrong game
@@TheEmpiresStrongest "YOU PICK THE WRONG GAME FOOL"
Arthur has bipolar disorder
3:12 the face and voice that Arthur makes saddens men, he feels repentance about all his mistakes he made and he knows that his time has come, this game is a just wonderful from gameplay to story telling.
His voice breaking and the watery eyes got me
Jason Hogan I think it’s so stupid how when John’s voice actor suggested John would cry at the end of RDR2 a bit they said “John Marston doesn’t cry” but lets the even more badass Arthur tear up multiple times in the game.
@@noamias4897 Well Arthur cries because he did so many wrong things in the game and feels sorrow and regret, because John didn't do anything as bad as Arthur and is not actually dying and having to say goodbye to everyone.
This scene really shows how much Arthur changes and becomes a decent man.
@Cheap Coffee arthur tries. He has commited crimes but as the game goes on, he helps more and more people, arthur isn't a good man, nor is he a bad man. He is just a man.
reece duddridge Its just a game you fat sweaty piece of shit, no need to be insulting the other guy but I am being hypocritical but I dont give A FLYING FUCK
It was just a shame it took a death sentence for Arthur to actually become more decent
@@soundtracks94 "some just require a firmer hand than others"
DeadlyNeedle ! I guess you have bad honor and what old man are you talking about
4:10 My dad after I just got my driver's license
My dad when I was fresh out the womb
My dad the moment I turned 18.
My dad when i am off work and not doing anything and he comes home
4:10
Straus lended money to the desperate. Arthur just got tired of loan sharking good ppl. I always declined any offers or offered money to them
Wait you could do that i want to lend money to the debtors to how did you do it
It’s only the last two that gives you the decision
We rob and kill people, but if we offer money to someone in return that we get the money back its bad. People should have known the trick of getting a loan.
@@federalbubinspector1869 the fuck is wrong with you? The dude just said 'k'
good thing u did too once i get this game Im gonna make my arthur a hero as best i can and make all the best choices
Even though this mission is secondary, to me THIS is the point where Arthur realizes how broken he is. I was tearing up at 3:12 because I could hear the pain in Morgan's voice; he's not apologizing only to her, but to everyone he has ever harm.
Goddamn it, what a great fucking game.
I was thinking the same thing. Arthur got tuberculosis and he is like “what the fuck have I done my whole life”
Who cries for a game? ,so if you get cut accidentally by paper I guess you will cry too
@@FabianTellez-s6d I think mostly everyone who played red dead redemption 2 cried a little at the ending
4:10
My parents after i've finished school.
Edit 2 Years later: Okay, i forgot this comment and saw how many likes and comments has this got, cool xD thx guys!
😂😂😂😂😂
brotatoe chip lol
Okay i am dying XDDDDD
@@l.d.jackson6755
Your dad sounds like a prick.
😂😂
4:51 that great boost to Arthur's honor though, jeez
Kingheights IKR? Even the damn sun acknowledged that huge honor boost and started shining on him!
@@aldmjr probably a glitch
iwishicouldbefunny Way I see it, it’s Rockstar doing wacky stuff again
*REDEMPTION*
Well considering that you need max honour to get the ultimate ending I see why. Since so many people played like a dick before this. I mean even NPC's tel you how to get it and tbh ? It's not hard to get max honour really. Just greet people and dogs/cats
Thing is he was still loyal,Strauss in John's story he was captured by agents and he got killed in torture,but he didnt say a word about Vanderlinde boys
If he did dutch or arthur or john wouldve killed him
@@Kenny-jy5kl They wouldn't have because they wouldn't know where he is
@@cccc-fh7su they could definitely find out
You realize micah is with the pinkertons?
@@Kenny-jy5kl You mean like how the Pinkertons kill him? Idiot.
4:52 The good honor sound effect just sounds so beautiful.
Towards the end, Arthur rubbed off on Strauss in a good way because in the epilogue, Charles said that Strauss was interrogated but never said a thing.
Barricaded Purifier even if you didn’t do any of his missions, Strauss still didn’t talk. I guess he was a loyal guy to the gang even though he was a scummy person.
And he died
Yup. Arthur was giving him tough love and setting him on a path to change his life before it was too late
Tecnofreek1 not loyal just more scared of the gang than the pinkertons
Tecnofreek1 he saw what happened to molly
Arthur could've gone about this in another way. Despite what Arthur said in this scene, he clearly cared about Strauss deeply despite how people are choosing to interpret this scene. Arthur's actions toward Strauss was partly out of his love for him despite how disgusted he became in the end. Arthur spared him because, he wanted to give him a chance to change. Just like how he had been given a chance to change for the better.
@@cjwzombie I guess if that's how you see it
And Strauss died not saying a word to the Pinkertons. He's a real one.
@@cjwzombie He doesn't force them to accept a loan. They need a loan because they're desperate, he even says it himself. Only desperate people will accept my loan. They choose to accept, they bare the full responsibility of their actions. He doesn't force them into debt, he gives out a loan and expects it to be repaid with interest. How they do it is none of his concern since they agreed to do so.
Zwei but when they don’t pay he sends a guy to beat them half to death.
@@diobrando2575 No, he doesn't send a guy to beat them half to death. He sends a guy who encourages them to pay their debts. How he decides to encourage them is also none of his concern.
Arthur can use the threaten option and most people will pay their debts without him throwing a single punch. The fact that he decided to beat on a sick farmer with tuberculosis is his own fault. Strauss asked him for help collecting money from a debter and to use what means he deems necessary. If someone can't pay, he can't pay no matter bad you beat him. Arthur getting sick and dying is a result of his own violent aggressive actions.
As the saying goes, those who don't seek death won't die. Arthur even said he beat up a guy with tuberculosis to the point where he coughs up blood into his face just for a couple of dollars. That is not Strauss's fault. Also Strauss mentions it before but its his business that helps feed the women and children within the camp. He contributes a lot and even when he's being tortured, he still said nothing about the gang. He was loyal, through and through. A bit shady but a loyal companion. Strauss was a guy who never forgot his debts and he even died to pay them back.
Strauss: I'm
Arthur: Leaving
ROASTED!!
A GOOFY GOOBER
I love the low honor one though
Naofumi Iwatani from a modern world, to a fantasy world, and then to the red dead redemption 2 world, man how many worlds have you’ve been reincarnated to?!
Danila Crazy fuck strauss
r/wooosh
People that say that “Strauss made Arthur sick” need to realize that Arthur is responsible for his own actions. Arthur made Arthur sick when he beat a sick man for money. That’s the whole point of him getting TB, it’s poetic justice for what he did.
Arthur never once blamed Strauss cause he knew it was his own fault.
Oscar D. Yeah I know I was referring to the people in the comments who are blaming Strauss.
Strauss gave money to people since he knew they wouldn't be able to pay it back. Dutch's gang is about robbing from the rich and giving to the poor. Strauss's business went against that, yet Arthur didn't realize that until now since this was one of camp's main ways to get money so nobody really questioned it.
Hosea was couching all the way from chapter 1 to chapter 4.
All those times playing domino with him around that small ass table
Gregory Smith I believe Hosea had a form of cancer.
4:09 I like how javier uncle and bill just stand there and watch Arthur just kick Struass out lol
They dont care how sick arthur is they know not to mess with him when hes mad 😂 but seriously tho Strauss got off lucky that time
Nexus TV Arthur’s the third in command, they can’t do anything about the decisions he makes
@@patricioperez7323 well not they could refuse it don't matter at this point Bills literally calling Charles, John and Arthur traitors anyways. I think it's mostly they disagreed with his business but Dutch kept him around now that Arthur kicked him out they didn't disagree is all
When he says “I’m sorry ma’am, I really am.” With tears in his eyes I have tears too every time. Rockstar did brilliantly with Arthur.
Arthur’s honor went 📈 when Strauss left
I like how the Foreman seems like a prick, but the moment Arthur tries chewing him out for his lax attitude toward his worker's plight, he immediately and without hesitation shuts him down with "Hey, I ain't the god forsaken money lender!"
3:11 You can really tell how much Arthur regrets everything
When Arthur sees the little boy, I think that changes his whole outlook. He already felt bad when he confronted the widow, but was still going to try to do his job and get what he could from them. The boy was the straw that broke the camel's back, when he decided he couldn't do this anymore, and that he was tired of being the man that he was. That was the moment, I think, that Arthur killed the monster that was inside of him. Helping the Downes was enough to push him to the line, but this is the moment when he crossed it.
@d R and his own son Isaac 😢
Strauss is legitimately deserving of this. He may not be as flashy or direct as some others, but he loans far more than regular people could ever hope to repay in the time frame he prepares. And he sends Arthur, and probably others, out to collect for him. People who have no compunctions whatsoever about being violent and hurting people. He preys on desperation and puts them in far worse situations than they were in before.
That's called loan sharking dumbass.
If you can't pay then don't take
He really didn't. Is giving out a beating worst case scenario worse than just murdering a few people best case scenario like how all the other gang members make their money? Strauss was the gangs best earner in terms of morality
I said this in another comment, but Arthur is technically worse than Strauss. Arthur has killed way more innocent people like bank guards, stage coach guards and police officers than Strauss has by causing them to over work. The men that Arthur kill have kids as shown in the epilogue when the guard is telling John about his kids at home. Many women and children are probably orphaned or widowed by the actions of Arthur but this is the first time he actually sees it himself and it's just a fraction of the pain he caused.
I like Arthur as a character, but he's still evil because he is weirdly loyal to the wrong people like Dutch. The only moral thing he could have done is run off with Mary and live a normal life similar to John.
Strauss deserved to be in the hallf of fame for chads among chads,people are just too ignorant to see.
I think the most haunting part of this particular mission is how the one he's collecting from is also named Arthur, which as he keeps searching for the man only to find out what happened, can constantly be a reminder of himself, like he's hunting himself in the end.
This mission parallels Arthur. He lost his wife and son from some thieves who robbed them for money and killed him. He was so heartbroken seeing Mrs.Londonderry and her son because they reminded him of Elisa and Issac. Only this time he did what he couldn’t do before, and saved them in a way.
Wow.
I shed a tear watching Arthur's expression when he apologized to the lady the first time..
And watching it again made me cry again, this game is so powerful, really.
Arthur Morgan is probably the most human character in vg history, and I don't mean human like someone good, but actually as someone who makes mistakes, takes bad decisions and lives with regret.
Rockstar really did a good job.
Amen! Most "humans" in video games would realize the errors of their ways and wish to rectify it, but never do they utter a line like "Don't thank me." or "I don't expect you to forgive me." the way Arthur Morgan did. And the PAIN in his voice, filled with so much disgust and shame of himself, it's so... real. Arthur Morgan IS as real of a Human Being as characters in games get.
OUTTA THE DAMN WAY
LMAO
Hey Partner!
MOVE.
HEY THERE, MISTER!
*get*
Arthur genuinely felt sad for that family, look at his face in 3:12
l also was...
That’s because he was reminded of his family. He had a son named Issac with a random waitress named Eliza. Every once in a while Arthur would visit them and provide food and money as they were poor and desperate. But then one day he discovered that some men robbed the house and killed both Eliza and Issac. Arthur lost his family from money and greed which is what he felt he was doing to this family
@@jellyslopefall572 all that just for 10 dollars too
look at when he sees the boy. he sees his own son.
I wish they gave us the option not to beat that guy up so Arthur wouldn’t have gotten infected
Arthur needed to die if he didn't then John would have had to hunt him down
Actually I never beat him I just threatened him mainly because I was shooting for the good guy playthrough
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 What about a non-canon ending? As simple as that, I just want my Arthur
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 if that happened john is dead
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 no Arthur did not need to die. Near the end of the game Charles & Sadie mentioned that they wanted to move to different countries like Charles wanted to start a family. Arthur could've done the same thing if he did not get sick he probably would've told John that he's leaving to see Mary & hope to marry her because he doesn't like the way his life is going right now. See not every character has to die just for the story to make sense. It doesn't make sense at all that John doesn't mention Arthur or anyone besides Javier, Bill & Dutch during red dead redemption 1.
Easily my favorite cut scene in the game. This was Arthurs Character arc and seeing him kick Straus out the camp made me scream with joy.
"I'm--"
"--Leavin'."
This is still one of my many favorite lines from this game. Arthur getting the literal last word is so goddamn good for closing out the "Herr Morgan" story.
People who didn't get the good honor sequences in chapter 6 are criminal.
3:38 Video Footage of your parents when you turn 18
The sadness in Arthur’s voice when he says sorry just shows how much he actually is sorry
I absolutely love Arthur for the kindness he has. He may do bad things, but hes a really nice guy!
He murders people, but he is a nice guy
To be completely honest, Arthur appears as neutral at first.
But then, he turns good.
Not really. Don't get me wrong I like Arthur as a character but he's still far from being moral. Think about how many stage coach guards and police Arthur has killed in robberies. He's probably created way more widows and orphans than Strauss ever has. In some way or another everyone in the gang is evil.
You can say no to taking a loan but you can't say no to being robbed.
3:58 You disgust me... AND YOU SHAME US!
Holy fuck, heard Arthur say that was asome
Me to KAM feminists if I was running Tik Tok
"I am sorry ma'am...i really am..."damn the feels
Son of a bitch Roger Clark did a amazing job at voice acting Arthur. He definitely deserved that award.
Is not just voice acting. The scenes are motion captured aswell.
Dont say that to his mother
Even though I started to be a good guy and gave all debtors money and kicked strauss to make Arthur's story a proper redemption story and get the best ending but god did I loved beating people up when lone sharking
Random Name loan sharking*
I always felt horrible when I did it. If I could, I just threatened them and that was that. I didn't like to take all those people had. They were just poor people down on their luck who made a bad decision.
Bruh I wanted to beat the whole family up and steal everything 😂😂
@@urboimatt21 on phone
Edit: autocorrect
I bet you had low honor.
i wish you could shoot stauss it was his fault he got tuberculosis
He still dies
But what if i tolled you it wasn't because i played through the game i had tuberculosis after killing all the legendary animals right after getting to horseshoe overlook and upgrading my character to the max with all trinkets and talis men and stuff and when i got the mission to rob a homestead the one with the wierd talking people after that ended Arthur coughed up a lot of blood right out side the barn and Javier said are you ok Arthur Arthur says yeah im good its good now guess i got a upset stomach try it maybe in time you get it not from the mission my friend who played the game also got it before even getting to horseshoe overlook and my other friend never even got it wierd maybe this is what the meant when the said if you dont take care of Arthur bad things happen
@@vladtheimpalerofficial no. He gets tuberculosis from Thomas Downs coughing blood on his face. The homestead robbery is optional. And it takes tuberculosis at least one month to show symptoms. The debt collecting missions are required and Arthur gets tuberculosis no matter what. He writes in his journal. This is how he got it and he tells his gang members that this is how he got it. Strauss couldn't have known but still I wish I could skip that collecting all together. Kind of annoying when you're trying to do a good play through and during the cutscene Arthur suddenly becomes a douchebag and beat the shit out of some dude over $20
@@gageowo9527 yeah i know i was being a smartass it was a joke lol 👘
But it’s mainly Arthur’s fault for agreeing though.
4:23 "You and me, we ain't decent. But those folk, they was."
"I prefer robbery to usury, seems more dignified somehow."- Dutch
I feel bad for Strauss, he didn't intentionally make Arthur get TB. Although he preyed on the weak with his loans, I still feel like Arthur was a little too harsh on him, they were friends.
In the end Strauss goes out without saying a single word to the pinkertons.
The thing is, Arthur was riddled with guilt by seeing the wife and child barely surviving. And he was disgusted that Strauss would take money away from them without a second thought, so in disgust and rage, he threw Strauss out as he wasn't going to shelter someone who preyed upon the desperate and hungry. Strauss however, probably felt awful from Arthur's TB and all the loans he put on the families, so to make up for what he had done, he refused to rat out the gang.
Boi you dont get it. Dutch gang were thieving the richs and gave to the poor. They even say so in a camp conversations. Struss was going against every principle the gang was about.
@@fuckugplus I understood perfectly what the gang was about. But keep in mind that their old ways have been abandoned an the game focuses on their time of desperation because of how they are being hunted down.
@@puffpuffpassmako At least Strauss had the respect an honor to still defend the gang after being cast away
Arthur:You And Me ain’t decent.
Moments later
Arthur gets a ton of honor for kicking Strauss out
Arthur:hehehe
Hahaha!
I like how much of the Darkness and redemption is in the debt collection missions. I beat a man into a lethal attack of his tuberculosis, catching it myself. I shot a man to death in front of his son (granted he tried to kill me, but it still felt sick), but on that last one you can see that Arthur has been moving forward, at least if you choose right and cultivate honor.
Señor Sirowatko No I think it’s just cause Arthur knew his death was close to coming at this point or knows he can’t ever live a normal life at this point he realizes his leader Dutch is just getting greedy and only caring for the survival of himself he realizes his gang is no more different than any other just like what Karen said
Señor Sirowatko You know, if you go back to that shack where you shot the dad in front of his son, there's a grave dug for the dad, and if you go into the kid's room, he'll knife fight you.
Gabriel Smith which person are you talking about
Bryan Reyes This black guy who's name I forget. He's one of the guys you end up loan sharking.
Bryan Reyes yep, he’s laying against a boat drunk, invited you on has his son pour you a drink. Guy was a turd lol. Kids better off I think.
You see, this is when he realized that the stuff the gang fell to was absolutely despicable. Now robbing banks and trains, trying to keep people alive is different then beating the money out of people that need it.
We murdered too
madman191 yeah, should of said while trying to keep them alive. Sure the gang kills, but Aurthur and John were always sorta against that. It seems Dutch was against it as well, but his sanity seemed to drop in his later years.
Arthur seemed to believe in 2 ways of being a outlaw, the evil and the good. Which even if you choose the most evil outcomes, Arthur always seemed to believe in the good.
madman191 that didn’t start until 1899 in Blackwater even Arthur mentions how he never killed people like that, and killed so many, only robbed and helped people
He still kills A LOT of lawmen, but I choose to believe that many of them aren’t real and just there for gameplay, like I don’t think Nathan Drake really kills 200 people across his years as a treasure hunter
"OUT OF THE DAMN WAY!"
**5 seconds later**
"Howdy partner!"
Boah
Mood swings lol
Straus is a straight g. I heard his life story and man it’s a sad one it gave me empathy for the guy. Idk if he has the same outcome for every game but later in the campaign he’s brought up again n it shows straus wasn’t a punk.
@AustralianGaming That's why I don't hate the guy. Sure, he's scummy by loaning money and having someone forcibly collect the debts. But least he stayed loyal till the very end
@EseChava 22 yes kill people for loaning money nice logic.
@EseChava 22 oof
1:52 The way arthur realizes Mr. Londonderry had a child... such an amazing performance
2:09 I cried when I heard that.
The pain of starving and just holding out and hoping that something lucky comes along your way; I can empathize with that. I went through that myself before and will never forget the pain.
😂😂😂😂😂
1:22 this scene is better at night, especially after you give her the money back and everything is calm with the crickets in the background
4:10 when my parents kicked me out of their home at age 19.
I just think it's interesting that Rockstar Games parent company's CEO is named Strauss. Coincidence? or does he represent the greed that some of these corporate executives have?
The crunch time agrees with you.
That’s definitely an inside joke at Rockstar. Take Two are the ones behind Rockstar’s shark cards in GTA V after its success and I’m sure they demanded the same performance from RDR Online, since Strauss is the CEO of that pretty greedy company I’m sure they named Strauss after him. No developer in the entire fucking world thinks to themselves “Now I’m finally gonna be able to program a flying bike that ruins the fun of the other players and costs so much in game money the player is gonna spend real life money to get it” when getting to work.
So it's greedy to want your money that you lend back?
I think when arthur went to that last woman and saw her son and her struggling, he realized strauss had gone too far, that and strauss needed to get out of there since shit was gonna hit the fan. But I’m guessing strauss understood maybe not at first but he did. Since when the cops got him he didn’t say a word, and died in prison without ever ratting on his comrades like someone we know.
It's more then that, both debts mirrors his own history and what might have been. First was a man on the run who was protecting his wife and future child, which was almost similar to his past. Second was his namesake, Arthur(the one owing the debt) couldn't be around for his boy anymore in a way Arthur Morgan just snapped and had enough
crazybiscut for real. I think the part where the foreman said, tauntingly, “Arthur’s dead!” Really struck a chord with Arthur.
That and Arthur was a family man. He mentions they were murdered over $10 and Arthur must have seen that in this family.
I got to the John section before I completed this mission and don't think there is a way to resume it. Cool scene but more gutted I missed the max honor boost
Edit: Nearly 150 likes? Hot damn, thanks guys.
same
@@tso_yams6926 Sucks man. Hopefully if there is a way to resume it someone will be kind enough to share.
That's why you shouldn't rush through the game
@@chriscurtis5883 I really didn't. Did almost every quest I had found hence Leaving behind the more repetitive one for later. Just didn't expect the game to esssntially have a full hard reset upon entering the epilogue. plus I was intrigued about new Austin.
Yeah honestly the game is great but it seems kinda shitty that after I finish the main story I cant do some of the side missions, even if it does make sense
Love how everybody just let Strauss get thrown out.
Such a powerful scene. Immense. Not only for the impeccable writing, but also because the story took time to build the character up to this, so it just hits you on another level.
If you think about I think Arthur sees himself and his past in these 2. Keep reading..
the father name was Arthur (like Arthur Morgan..) he lost his son and wife to robbers for 10 bucks..
He wasn't there for them when they needed him the most and now he's doing the same to another family (almost)
This is where he's like... ''Fuck Straus''
3:12 damn his face actually made me cry
Same 😭.
@@GoofyLordHaHa😂
I kinda feel bad for him
Why
Me too lol
@@reeceayles-wallace2864 I just think Arthur went too hard on him
For some reason I have a soft spot for old people seeming sad or just depressed
sw19921709 I’m very empathetic, so I also felt pretty bad for Strauss. Arthur was just tired of hurting these good people, so he was probably just pretty angry. Still, explaining to Strauss what he was doing wrong would have been nice.
In terms of story this is the greatest game of all time the story of simple man who knows nothing but loyalty questioning his purpose and the purpose of his family/gang obviously depending on the ending you get be it low honour or high honour Authur Morgan paved the way for John Marston to find redemption whilst finding his own form of redemption brings a tear to my eye thinking upon it every time without fail.
3:11 is one of the few moments where Arthur speaks from the heart. The cinematogrpahy with it kills it.
4:32 Strauss's face :/.I did feel bad for him in this!!
I really like how u see arthur evolve in the game he starts from being a real jerk but u see him for who he really is, u see his heart
I felt Strauss redeemed himself after he died in interrogation not saying anything to the pinkertons
Did he though? I mean, when you think about it, this gang was mean as hell. They preyed mostly on innocent homesteaders. I’m sure they were good people and all, but the things they did were hardly forgivable because of their nice personalities.
@@537monster Eh the debt missions are the only missions I can remember where they actively attack weak and poor homesteaders which shows the hypocrisy of Dutch from chapter 2. The gangs "code" is take from the rich and give to the poor but Strauss whole business literally goes against that and as seen by chapter 6 when no one stops Arthur kicking out Strauss most of the camp members don't seem to actively disagree Dutch might have but by this point he's gone cuckoo cuckoo. Anyways I do agree Strauss didn't redeem himself I guess it's more like he did the right thing in the end
@@lewanbroski504 I’ve been replaying the story and there are some scenes where Arthur says “people don’t want us around no more” and I can help but wonder if nobody ever actually wanted them around.
It’s just that people like Arthur don’t have as much power anymore, and now people are finally willing to tell them to screw off.
@@537monster He means outlaws and cowboys times are coming to an end and in red dead 1 they do Jack is the last gunslinger after he kills Ross it ends
Maybe not redeemed. But he did something decent before he died at least, so he's not all bad.
By far the best voice acting since The Last Of Us. Felt so alive.
Way better than Last Of Us
3:12 that quote is such as emotional as "I'm afraid" with the nun. You can feel Arthur regretting all the things he have done to this people because of Strauss.
"Arthur's Dead"
"I Know ..."
Idk why people call Strauss and his shark loan business disgusting for ruining people's life while they're in a gang of thieves and murderers
Before the game takes place, its mentioned that they were more like robin hood, but as Dutch becomes more insane the gang became more trecherous.
@@John-uw2je but at the end of the day they still ruined lives the same way Strauss did, so it don't matter how they started out also if that was the case than why didn't they do something about Strauss earlier?
Which is worse, stealing from a wealthy enough man who has a great standing and won’t be too affected by your theft or stealing from a completely desperate man who barely has anything himself and beating on him until he eventually gives away his personal possessions just to make you leave?
@@cjv8522 you make it sound like they don't kill the guards trying to protect said money, shit sometimes they even kill the owners of said money lets not forget the people who are just doing their jobs like the train driver and the shop owners or how about the fact that not every person they stole from was as wealthy as Cornwall And this is all without even mentioning the impact of stealing from the towns bank.
semm semm
They never kill the owners of the money unless you specifically as Arthur do or the owner attacks them, forcing them to defend themselves. As for the guards attacking them, they do have to defend themselves. Then again, you’re right and that doesn’t justify them doing these crimes. But yet again, it is much more disturbing to rob from an already poor and desperate man than from someone who’s decently wealthy.
3:11, hearing how upset he is really chokes me up
3:18 lol you see how Arthur jumped
Did he scared
I watch one RDR2 video and my entire wall is filled with spoilers. Good job TH-cam algorithm SeemsGood !
Use private browser when viewing videos like this to avoid spoilers from their algorithm. I learned it the hard way as well a few years back lol.
"I don't want an adventure , I want my daddy"
This makes me cry so often .And the way the boy says it .
But to realize Arthur has probably created multiple scenarios like that himself with all the bank guards and stage coach guards he's killed.
@@casualgamers3369
Well , canonically , the number of fatalities in Van der Linde Gang robberies has been very small prior to the downfall .Even during it , they tried to make then bloodless .Although , they more than failed .
He want Londonderry
0:23 A nice crisp “outta the damn way”. Classic Arthur
I Love how Honorable it's Arthur ar the end...
3:29 voice crack 😂
😂😂😂😂
arthur just kicked strauss out of the camp, and out of the gang.
and not 1 person had a thing to say on the matter. Shows you how much they "liked" strauss.
Was Arthur already sick at this point?
Yes
@@benjoz4624 thanks man
Already at deaths door
the debt were the guy spat in his mouth had tuberculosis, it was because of stauss he got tuberculosis
@@sillyninja65 some that's weird is that tuberculosis takes years to show it's affect and get to its final stage yet Arthur got to it in a few weeks
lmao i love how you had like, nearly neutral honor and after you kick strauss out your honor just completely maxes out.
Just look at Arthur's eyes at 3:12
So powerful.
The eyes of pure guilt
Damn the foreshadowing “Arthur’s dead” 😔✊🏼
The random antagonizing insults to Strauss at camp was well deserved then
@Lord Bolton how would him being a jew make him a bad guy?
I don't really have that much of a problem with what Strauss does. If I lent money to people, I'd want it back too. A friend of mine once begged me to lend him money. More than a thousand dollars for a rent deposit. We came up with a payment plan, for him to pay me back within a year, which he ignored after about a week. He started avoiding me, but we still had the same group of friends. He wouldn't answer the phone, and if I was at some party where he was planning to be, he'd cancel. Stuff like that. He was making plenty of money too, taking fancy vacations, buying new electronics, etc. After about a year of him dodging me, I just told everyone that he ripped me off. His closest friends started calling him up, talking shit to him, and he paid me back within a month. I still hang out with him sometimes, but I wouldn't lend him a nickel. He's back in debt, of course, and is irresponsible with his money. I definitely don't feel sorry for him.
It's one thing to have student loans or a mortgage, but idiots that borrow money for frivolous things deserve whatever comes their way. Especially farmers in the wild west. They weren't borrowing money for food, obviously. What were they spending the money on, hookers?
4:10 when a crackhead asks you for a dollar:
I feel that they could have done more with Strauss in order to make him seem more ambivalent and sympathetic like the other gang members: A guy who does horrible thing to contribute to the gang's finances, but who also is a loyal friend to his fellow gang members and considers them family and heaps kindness upon them when they are among themselves. E.g. it would have been nice if there had been a few camp scenes of him being a kind ucle to Jack or of him teaching Jack math, or of him relating exciting stories at the camp fire ore singing some nice sounding Austrian folk song etc.
And they could have made it more clear that Arthur, and not Strauss bears the main responsibility for Arthur getting TB. E.g. when Strauss sends Arthur off on his debt collecting mission and telling him about the various people who owe the gang money, Strauss could have said something to Arthur, when addressing the case of Thomas Dows, like "...and then there is that fellow Dowes. You should go easy on him, 'cause he is in bad health, so please no unnecessary violence" -> and when Arthur arrives at Dowe's ranch he recognizes him from Valentine and gets angry 'cause he recalls that Dowes got in his way when he was beating up Tommy in front of the Saloon, and thus loses his self-control and needless beats up Dowes. And when he returns to camp to tell Strauss how the debt collecting jobs went he mentions that he was very brutal to Dowes and beat him to a bloody pulp, whereupon Strauss is aghast and says something like "Dear god, why did you do that? The man is sick! We just want our money back. We do not want to make that man's health worse than it is anyway!" And Arthur says something like "Yeah, I just lost it. I had a run-in with the man in Valentine he stepped in and prevented me from finishing a guy who had messed with me in the Saloon...I guess I was just still very angry about that, so when I recognized him I just lost it and needlessly beat the man up 'cause I resented him for daring to get in my way in Valentine...You are right, Leopold, I should have gone easier on him and just given him a few stern looks to intimidate him, so that he would roll up his sleeves to get his act together any pay us back, instead of manhandling him..." Something like that would have made Strauss a more complicated and three-dimensional character IMHO
I realized. If you do everything a survicing man does you end up in the middle. You are not a bad man or a good man. If you go by the morals you end up a good man. If you go by the rules you end up a bad man. But if you do what you gotta do game finishes in the middle. Just a decent man. I realized it yesterday.
You know they named Arthur Londonderry intentionally just so they could say "ARTHUR'S DEAD!"