@El Mitcho I doubt he even remembers Mary Beth, Tilly or Pearson seeing as he was like 4 when he last saw them. He most likely only remembers Sadie & Charles, but even then it’s been like 7 odd years
@El Mitcho Why would Jack care about any of those people though? They were gang memebers who he was around when he was four he can barely remember them. Besides Charles and Sadie but that was years ago at this point.
I always find the confrontation interesting like Jack wasn’t really the outlaw type. When he confronts Ross, he’s so unsure and he doesn’t even know what to say he just repeats, “you killed my father”. Ross even seems to sense this and eggs him on to do it, to try and kill him. Jack was a sensitive soul.
well you can imagine that jack doesn’t know the whole story of what happened. he only knows abigail’s account, and possibly information from people if he’s happened to ask “did you know john marston?” it makes sense as to why jack puts 100% of the blame on ross, when objectively, edgar ross is a mere cog in a machine.
@@walkingolga6235i disagree it was 100% on him. You even get some hints after John’s death of what Edgar’s life is like before you meet him. Basically he took the gig in taking out Dutch’s former gang. He kidnaps John’s family and threaten them if he doesn’t help capture his former gang. After John captures/kills his former gang, Edgar turns on John as a loose end and gets a medal for the work he never did. He lives a peaceful quiet life afterwards without a conscience when he could have exonerated John from his past crimes for helping the arrests/killings of his former gang. But I assume he didn’t want to pardon John of his crimes because then it would mean he never caught all the gang members, and show that he was working with a former criminal with the arrests. He wanted to take all the glory and not leave a stain in his work. Goes to show you that even lawman have no morals. Jack was 100% justified here
@@Mr.Nobody_97 You’re assuming too much power to Ross. How do you know it was his choice to kill John? He could have been forced to have John killed by his higher-ups at the Pinkerton agency. RD2 also gives us even more insight, given that Milton was the head detective on their case before he was killed by Abigail (I’m assuming the Pinkertons think John did it). It’s very obvious that Ross was never the one in charge, even though he has Fordham to boss around in the later events of RD1. There’s also the fact that the U.S Army was involved in neutralizing Dutch and the siege on Beecher’s Hope. We, as the player, feel 100% justified for killing Ross at the end of RD1. Ross was a bad person who did bad things, like every character in this game (including John). I also don’t think he was 100% at fault for what happened to John. I believe he was forced to do what he had to.
I love how the people are just leading Jack to Ross conveniently when Jack looks menacing, bandolier filled bullets wrapped on him eith a rifle on his back and Jack says "he's delivering a letter". Just cracks me up.
I think that's why they wrote in their first meeting to take place like that in RDR2, as a reference or callback to their last meeting in RDR1. Would've been even better if Ross had half-recognized Jack in RDR1 but couldn't place him, since he said that one line to him in RDR2 then held him and Abigail hostage through all of RDR1.
@@jasondannheim862 it was definitely a reference to how Jack kills Ross here. Ross in RDR 2 I think even says "enjoy your fishing while it lasts" or something like that to Jack.
To top it off, Arthur didn't draw his weapon that day at the river. His weapons all passed to John when he died. Finally, when John passed all he owned to Jack, Jack was able to go to the river and (at least by that logic) kill Ross with the same weapon Arthur had been carrying that day. So the same pinkerton died at the hands of the boy who grew up to hold the gun of the man who would not let harm come to him that day. Poetic justice much?
Literally the final part of the entire game, the grand finale revenge duel against Edgar Ross, "You accepted a duel, here is a tutorial on how to duel"
“ I’m sure your husband will be just fine “ Jack delivered that line with the confidence of Dutch, the Alpha part in Arthur and the uncertainty of John
"Your father killed himself with the life he lived." But he left that life behind until you showed up to get him to do your dirty work before you killed him anyway.
You're wrong. He DIDNT leave that life behind. He went after Micah, against Arthur's advice to "not look back," which is exactly what led Ross and Archer to him. They found Micah's body and then asked around at Strawberry, where John had just previously hanged a man with Sadie looking for Micah. Asked around other places too and traced it back. If he actually left that life behind, his discovery by the FEDs would have been substantially prolonged, or even avoided all together.
@@misstrunchbull3953 No buying the Ranch and getting the Loan from the Bank is what let Ross and the Agents to Johns doorstep Lol. All killing Micah did was Give Ross an Idea on how to use John.
I like how his death wasn't a cutscene or anything. It's not dramatic It's just, he's been shot and killed, nothing to crazy, no last words or anything. It's kind of anticlimactic really and I think that's why it's good. An anticlimactic end to Jack's revenge story
Ikr, such a missed opportunity. Someone wanted to do this but got into legal problems. Such a stupid thing to do, not allowing others to do the work they (Rockstar Games) just won't do
I guess Jack trained so that he’d be able to kill Ross as revenge for ruining his family. This is a pure case of a man that only has vengeance to motivate him. Ross betrayed John after making a deal with him for his freedom. We don’t know if Ross made that decision or Nate Johns pulled the stringers, and for Jack, his father tried to change, and he witnessed him in a pool of blood, so of course he would enact revenge. One contrast between Jack’s revenge and his father’s is that Jack didn’t endanger anyone else and his family was gone, and his mother’s death may have further motivated him to kill Ross. I just hope that he did become a writer and lived his life.
My headcanon is that Ross is his first and last kill as a gunslinger. The short look at his gun and deep breath before resting the gun in it's holster might meant the gun already served it's purpose, and it's time to lay down his weapons and end the cycle. People says Jack will continue the cycle, but I disagree, John already lay low before his death, the loose ends will eventually tied themselves from time to time, by Jack's time America is already on the industrial age, and Jack was just 19, literate, and familiar with modern age, as long as he didn't get caught or crossing the law, I'm sure he'll get his life straight soon after RDR.
@@welon17 except the fact the story requires quite a few before you even get to that point (West Dickens' Cholla Springs presentation, Hans Muller in Chuparosa, bandito with hostage in Chuparosa, rush on Escalera).
I actually feel like This game did a lot of things really really well compared to the second game but I still live both equally! Also Jack seems very underrated overall i wonder if the story will be about him if they ever make an RDR3
I feel they should make a red dead revenge as Jack hasn’t done anything wrong to be redeemed. It should take place right after and have a jack driven by pure rage
If we were to see Jack again, it'll probably be in WWI or the 20s, with all the Mafia and whatnot. I'm leaning towards Mafia personally, with a WWI element as a flashback or implied, basically as background.
I made sure there were no loose ends. 15 year old me was a damn SAVAGE when i beat the game. Made sure that jack wouldn't have anybody else to hunt him down. What made me extremely sad was when i was in the sheriffs office in a shootout shortly after beating the game, and jack screamed "i dont have anything left to live for!" To the police. Poor jack, he deserved better. But, in a way he lived better than most. Same goes for john. Arthur...wasnt so lucky.
I know Jack felt that way at the time, but I strongly believe if he found himself a spouse and started a family, he'd find new purpose again. Maybe that's what he did.
Hope he find a spouse and they had children. The only thing sure is he becomes a writer and I bet he found solace in art. One century later his legacy lives on in Red Dead book
I like the simplicity and impact of this scene. No cheeky one liners, no dramatic music, no overly done cutscene. He gets shot, flops into the river, and Jack leaves
While people find the ending to be badass to end the game for Jack getting his revenge on Ross, I find it to be tragic because John wanted is for his son to have a normal life and either be a writer or a rancher, but instead he chose what his father and his mother told him not be, an outlaw.
That's in part why it feels so anticlimactic, it is satisfying for the player, but a silent moment for jack that it feels like it didn't make him happier
@@AyoSquareRoot more poetic than anticlimactic. Story’s don’t always need to have a good ending. Jack finds himself on his own, no family, children or gang the last of a dying breed. He was never meant to be an outlaw but vengeance lead him to that life. In a way he’s carrying on his families legacy even if that’s not what his father wanted. Living out his days as one of the last to be entrenched in the outlaw life; before the Wild West was fully tamed.
@@EmmettMontanaro That's just an easter egg from Rockstar, it is confirmed by the fact that in the Red Dead universe there is California and Los Angeles, but in GTA V they don't exist
Those few chords that play when Jack looks down at the gun after killing Ross kick me right in the heart… Almost like it’s the last breath of the Wild West. It’s As if Arthur, Hosea, Uncle, Charles and John are speaking to Jack for the last time. Outlaws to the end… pure poetry
@@coolwolf506 John was 38 when he died, considering that Jack is now 19 that means that John would've been in his 50s when Jack was alive, if we assume Charles was around the same age then it's possible he's a dad not a grandpa
Poor Jack, I felt so bad for him when I replayed RDR2 and RDR1. I was glad about the few people that DID care for Jack in RDR2 but damn. What an environment to grow up in.
Ross had a rifle in his hand when Jack got there, then he got threatened, Jack didn´t had his gun out yet, and Ross, instead of shooting him right there with it, dropped it and then proceeded with the protocol cowboy standoff instead.
He fired it but he hadn't operated the action again yet, so there was nothing in the chamber. Safe to say, if he tried to chamber a round and then aim the result would've been the same.
When the epilogue started, the realization of playing as Jack and seeing the ? on the map. I knew what was coming. When I found Edgar Ross at the river, it was the most serious feeling I’d ever had from a game.
Now that RDR 2 existed, I feel even more satisfied by this ending : Jack has not only avenged is father, he also avenged the whole gang and it's terrible fate since the Blackwater massacre.
After that was over I spent a lot of time playing as Jack in Mexico. The scenery was better and novel compared to the rest of the map that I’d already spent many hours in. And it seemed right that for a while Jack might stay in Mexico to let any legal issues die down before returning. Though we know that most likely he ended up becoming a writer since we found a book written by a “J. Marston” in GTA V. I think it’s more likely that Jack wrote it than John. Or possibly a child of Jack’s with a name that starts with a J. He’s still only around 19 when he killed Edgar Ross so he easily could have had children later and I would not be surprised if one was named after his dad.
que renunció a todo El mundo de los perdidos en la mañana o en la tarde de ellos y tampoco contesta el dinero para la fritada y atún con gases de los perdidos de los cuadernos para que no te sientas culpable de todo el dinero que renunció y a mi contra de ellos deserta a la doctora que ya no es nada mas que el tanque de gas
Jack's full name is "John Marston Jr." Jack is already named after his dad with Jack being a nickname. Not to say he wouldn't father a John Marston III though.
0:00 - 0:41 This guy (who the wiki says is named Howard Sawicki) probably had it out for Ross personally and lead Jack to him knowing that he wants him dead. He opens up a LOT of information about him, and he caughs in front of several sentences like he's hinting something
@@CarthaginianCow ^ My Mother chain smoked her way through chemo therapy, and the only thing that made her cough was taking a bong hit after a treatment session. Cigarettes didn't make her cough
American Venom is an INSANE mission. It’s so much fun, the music is amazing and killing Micah was awesome but this ending was just something else…. It’s so much better. Killing Edgar was so satisfying. He was such a terrible person and maybe even worse than Micah. Killing Edgar was awesome but the little detail afterwards is just so heartbreaking after you’ve played rdr2. Jack looking at his gun for that short amount of time. You the player just sit there and think Abigail, Hosea, Arthur and John spent so many years trying to keep Jack away from that life but when Jack looks at his gun he realises he’s become his Dad and the player realises that Abigails, Hosea’s, Arthur’s and johns effort were all for nothing. Now Jack is in that life. Then we get that BADASS red dead redemption screen with Jack and top it all off…. The credits. Sweet and short with two beautiful songs “deadman’s gun” and “exodus in America”. Just like the entire game this ending was perfection. Rdr2 is the better game overall. All the side missions in rdr2 are better barring the side mission “I know you” and rdr2 just runs better. It’s just a better game. However the main story has gotta go to rdr1. It’s just so basic in the best way possible. The game was truly a masterpiece.
Micah was an outlaw just like Arthur, Dutch, John and Jack (by proxy). Edgar Ross used the cover of the law to be just as much of an outlaw. He deserved killing almost more than Micah.
Yes yes and YES! This is how you end a game. I’ve been sayin this for years. Still gives me chills to this day. Red Dead Redemption IS one of the best games ever.
This isn’t exactly a “good” ending though, in the sense that everything John struggled for through out the entirety of the story was too get him AND his family away from this life. Even on Arthur’s part too as towards the end of his story a new goal of his is to help John live the life he couldn’t. You hear dialogue in both games about how hopefully and even assumedly that Jack will not grow up to be some gun slinging outlaw, but this ending to the story is the (unfortunate) opposite.
John himself said it best. To Hosea, and to Bonnie: *_"People don't forget. NOTHING gets forgiven."_* So now we have to look at it from Jack's perspective- Do you walk away from it all and leave well enough alone? *_Knowing_* who killed your father *_AND_* your Uncle and why? Even after the difficulty it likely put on you and your momma in her final years, because back then nothing was more integral to survival and an upbringing than having a Man of the House. Or do you tie up one final loose end? One thing that I've always liked about Red Dead is that even with an Honor System, *_NOTHING_* is Black and White and you still have to be able to rationalize/justify what you do to somebody else as well as yourself.
I can always tell who has lived with real hate and who hasn't by how they react to the ending of that game. If you can't relate to why a person would make the choices Ellie made, well, you're lucky I guess.
It's been two years and I hope you realize that Jack getting revenge is presented as a bad thing. It's the opposite of what John wanted for his son. Let's not forget that John killing Micah is what lead to the Pinkertons finding him. Arthur literally says that revenge is a fool's game. Also, Ellie never forgave Abby. She let go because she realized that killing her wouldn't have stoped her pain. Both games are about the cycle of violence, but only one shows the cycle being broken.
@@Username-wh2ij But forgiveness isn't good either. Imagine if John let Micah live to continue his crimes. RDR did a much better job showing the consequences of revenge than the garbage Tlou2.
@@ChristinaVisionChannel The Last of Us Part 2 is a terrible game. Like, everything about it is literally bad and doesn't know how revenge and "forgiveness" work. Not to mention that it was full of forced left wing politics and completely ruined the characters of the first game while they wasted new ones like Jesse. Truly awful.
I never said that the characters had to forgive those who hurt them. I was saying that revenge only hurt the characters who acted upon it. John got revenge and it resulted in his and Abigail's death. As well as Jack becoming an outlaw, which is not what John and Abigail ever wanted for their son.
The look Jack gives the revolver at the end... Man thats some shit. Its almost as if hes looking at it and thinking "thats it? I'm not gonna feel any better?" And then like a man, and like his father, he carries the fuck on. Real gangster shit by the last Van Der Linde Gang member.
I remember the first time I played it and saw John get Scarface'd... then you wake up as Jack. I thought the game just ended like that until that random sidequest you get. RDR 1&2 are some of the greatest games ever made.
I really thought that ross will recognize the hat not jack introducing himself it would be cool of he just recognized it instead of jack telling him Edit:btw if u loot ross he gives 400 dollars
I mean he kinda does a long look going "don't I know you from somewhere" or something along those lines but tbh hits better the way it was done...lot cooler atleast
Fun fact: in GTA V in Franklin's house there's a book written by J.Marston So it seems that after RDR1 Jack became a writer, getting out of outlaw life
He could have written the book much later in life. Imagine he wrote it in the 40's. Decades still of being an outlaw. I like the idea he eventually gets out of the life, though.
Ross met Jack when he was still a small child with Arthur fishing down by the river. Now Jack got his vengeance by the river where Ross was fishing. What a story......
Just realized that, as much as he wanted revenge, he kinda kept saying that Edgar killed his father to rationalize him killing a man without any reason besides revenge which could count as murder… because Edgar wasn’t aiming yet or even had his hand ready when he kept saying,”You killed my father. I saw it.” Few times. Till eventually Edgar got himself ready to kill Jack and then it was only reasonable to kill someone and it wouldn’t seem nor feel like murder or cold blooded.
I feel like a lot of people see this ending and see it as justified or that avenging John is the right thing to do, however imo this is a sad ending. Everything John did over the course of the rdr1 campaign was in effort to get his family away from crime, to raise an educated son that would go on to have a good life away from the criminal element, by Jack killing Edgar, he’s basically throwing away all the change that John tried to make, turning Jack into an outlaw wanted for murder (everyone you talked to in order to find Ross will remember Jack and most likely go to the police when Ross doesn’t come back from fishing)
Well fuck Ross I respectfully disagree with you he deserved to die because John didn't expect Ross to be knocking at his door having him kill off the rest of the gang but in the end Ross stabbed him in the back so it's reasonable why Jack did what he did but I haven't played through the entire game nor 2 yet but it's understandable I'm just more into the outlaws and feel like most of them deserved better
@@cld252 considering jack doesn't says his name when he was looking for ross and ross died around the river. That makes him hard to find. And sorry for my English
he was 19 at the time, theres still a chance he settled down. theres a gta 5 easter egg where a book says its written by a 'j.marston' and it includes the word 'redemption' edit: the book was actually titled 'red dead'
I sometimes reflect that even if John had not gone after Micah, nothing would have changed. Yes, he would have heeded Arthur's advice to not look back, but I think it's likely the Pinkertons would have used Micah the same way they betrayed and used John. Micah would have either hunted John down himself or led the agency straight to him. At least Arthur's sacrifice gave John a few years of peace with his family that he wouldn't have had otherwise.
The first time I saw a clip of this ending, it was with the more modern semi-auto pistol. In that moment when Jack looks at his gun after shooting Ross, I couldn't help but think about how good the symbolism was there. No more revolvers, no more gunslingers; technology marched on, civilization encroached; the days of outlaws and cowboys was well and truly dead.
I really like how polite Jack is to everyone including the family of his father's killer. While it does get him the information he wants, I feel that this was just his character as he's always been a smart and sweet boy. John raised him well.
@@AlyssMa7rin Even the Marshal of Armadilo was given medals and honors and was hailed a hero taking out gang hideouts in the region and many bounties and it's all John's. As well as Reyes changing the tides and having songs sung about him and becoming a president and nobody mentions Marston.
@@AlyssMa7rin Yes, I know Ross is the epitome of treachery, but I'm referring to how the narrative got built like in the final newspaper edition every factor here got what they wanted yet no mention of John except with the portion about Dutch and his demise and so is John and the rest of the Van Der Linde and that again given to Ross as a heroic deed. Sad, like that man alone, changed the face of the news in the regions he passed into.
I was lucky enough to experience this epic moment in gaming history at sunset (in-game). Shot Ross and he fell backwards into the pond with a splash as the last rays died out in the west.
Imagine a different ending where Jack simply asks "Yes or no sir. Are you Edgar Ross. This is of the upmost importance." "Yes, I'm Edgar Ross. What's this---" Gets shot once and Jack leaves. Grateful he avenged his father, but knowing his can never truly save him.
When u kill Edgar everything is over…this agent had been hunting Marston family for years and when you kill him you have the feeling that everything iz over once and for all!
Jack wearing clothes that resemble Arthur's jacket, Dutch's bandana, on top of that John's actual hat. Rockstar apparently designed Red dead 2 Arthur and Dutch to reference this.
@James john no they did not lol. They didn’t even know how much of a success RDR1 would become and since it’s been one of the greatest games back then, they decided years later to work on a second game
It's a little bit weird and somewhat poetic how all of the main villains deaths in the series were all anti-climactic. When Agent Milton, Leviticus Cornwall, Angelo Bronte, Colm O'Driscoll, Bill Williamson, Javier Escuella, Dutch Van Der Linde, Edgar Ross, and of course Micah Bell, just to name a couple, did you feel accomplishment when they died? And if you did how much accomplishment did you feel? There's no point in revenge. When Arthur Morgan told John Marston to run and never look back, he didn't want Marston to have vengeance, he wanted him to be safe with his family. But what did he do? He hunted down Micah Bell, leaving a trail of bread crumbs for the Pinkertons to find him at Beecher's Hope, the opposite of what Arthur wanted for him. And as Arthur once said, "Vengeance is an idiots game."
Milton : much accomplishment Cornwall : No Accomplishment Bronte : A little Accomplishment O'Driscoll:Some Accomplishment Bill:No Accomplishment Javier : No Accomplishment Dutch :No Accomplishment Dutch post Rdr2: A Lot of Accomplishment Ross :Alot of Accomplishment Bell: The Most Accomplishment Micah: a fuckton of Accomplishment Revenge might be a Idiot's Game , but damn it feels good
0:30 - This agent, its probably the one who is going after Jack after Ross got killed. This quote right here: - "Lucky guy, getting to take it easy. Beats fighting crime in this dump, that's for sure. " Reveals that he respects Ross and getting Jack killed after he killed a retired agent, would make him an great agent like ROss, since its basically what Ross did after what Dutchs gang did to the Pinkertons
I had ended the John storyline, and was abit confused with the Jack epilogue. But, I did the missions and had fun. Then when this mission ended, and those words flashed on the screen, my god what a good ending. I am about to finish pt2 and I am looking forward to this happening again with John . . .
The fact that Edgar Ross doesn’t blast Jack away at 3:24 I mean, I KNOW fans would have had a coronary at Jack dying, but I don’t know, I like to believe Edgar knew in his heart that he had this coming. All those years with John being gone, and Jack growing up; I like to think that Edgar made peace with knowing that he should die for what he did. But I don’t know. Maybe that is giving Edgar too much respect.
Its possible the gun was out of ammo. Its also possible that Ross was just cocky in being able to beat Jack. After all, Ross has been fighting old west crime longer than Jack has been alive.
They could totally continue Jack's story as a non-western since his starts so much later on. Maybe he moves to New York and becomes a prominent mafia don or soldier. Like a red dead/LA noire (with you being the criminal) mix.
The endings are bittersweet. Ross killed John, we get revenge. But now Jack is left alone in the dying west, doing exactly what his mother didn't want John/Dutch kill Micah but it leads too Ross finding him. John got 4yrs of a happy family life before being used. "Revenge is a fools game" - Arthur Morgan
So i played the original game sooooo much. Many many hours into that game. But I will forever see the game as with a different ending. On this mission when I went to draw my weapon, I was attacked by a coyote which grabbed my arm and while fighting with the animal, Jack got shot and was killed. I said to myself something about it being so random and perfectly timed that it would hard to ever match that level of surprise and powerlessness as the enemy slowly rises the gun and puts you down like a dog and you actually having your gun arm in the jaws of an animal while you watch it all happen. I wish I had that on video, but that’s how I see this whole storyline conclusion. It’s too perfect not too.
I love how this game's ending really made me question the concept of nature vs nurture. Do you feel compelled to hunt down Ross because violent retribution is a natural urge in people or because you were nurtured by society to believe it's appropriate?
I think if we consider it revenge, it waters down the meaning as to why he killed Ross. I’d say it was “Redemption” no pun intended. He was the last one that got away after doing John so dirty. Wasn’t really about revenge as more of capital punishment
It is something people do from emotion. Emotions have the unfortunate property of blocking intelligent thinking and so killing someone out of hatred for something horrible they did to you is pretty much nature.
The only important thing to remember is predetermination is not predestination. The difference is simply what you are compelled to do versus what you choose to do. In this case it seems Jack’s choice was aligned with his conscience. There isn’t any more pure decision for who a person is when those 2 things align without any third person influencing that decision.
I actually never finished Jack's quest. That question mark is still on my map to this day. It just feels right to close the game down for good after John is killed.
@@yungjahallah3246 the wild west was already well over by the year 1914 (when the epilogue takes place) so if a rdr3 does happen we'll have to go back in time
An ending that is both satisfying and sad. John never wanted such a life for Jack, but because of the way Ross ended things he too is headed down a spiral of vengeance and death.
I absolutely love RDR2 and it’s story but for me RDR1 still has the best narrative overall. There’s a real lonely feel to it and the story feels much more contained with John’s struggle for redemption.
Man, that part where Ross stares in shock at Jack's gun as he falls to the ground and thinks to himself "What IS that... some kind of red dead revolver?" while the "sad_trombone.wav" plays in the background was one of the cutscenes in gaming history.
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"Earned himself a chest full of medals"
"Interesting, I'm on my way to give him a chest full of metals right now"
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Cause of death? lead poisoning
I see what you did there.
Ross: “Enjoy your fishing kid, while you still can.”
Jack: “And I took that personally.”
He waited 15 years to get back at him. That is some Batman level patience and will.
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@@chrisberrios5857 nice beluga pfp
The way he should have.
"Enjoy your hunting, Old man...While you still can." - Jack...Probably
That line
" Are you out visiting the lake with your family ?"
Always makes me sad, jack being alone.
Jack’s response to that is so good and sad too.
His short stutter “no” is so good and emotional.
Makes me wish we got more of Adult Jack
No, he killed my family
@El Mitcho I doubt he even remembers Mary Beth, Tilly or Pearson seeing as he was like 4 when he last saw them. He most likely only remembers Sadie & Charles, but even then it’s been like 7 odd years
@@actioncookiez3564 - The government might’ve also found them and had them killed like they did with the rest
@El Mitcho Why would Jack care about any of those people though? They were gang memebers who he was around when he was four he can barely remember them. Besides Charles and Sadie but that was years ago at this point.
I always find the confrontation interesting like Jack wasn’t really the outlaw type. When he confronts Ross, he’s so unsure and he doesn’t even know what to say he just repeats, “you killed my father”. Ross even seems to sense this and eggs him on to do it, to try and kill him. Jack was a sensitive soul.
honorable gunslinger theres not a few out there
Yeah while John is usually taunting and threatening to his enemies
well you can imagine that jack doesn’t know the whole story of what happened. he only knows abigail’s account, and possibly information from people if he’s happened to ask “did you know john marston?”
it makes sense as to why jack puts 100% of the blame on ross, when objectively, edgar ross is a mere cog in a machine.
@@walkingolga6235i disagree it was 100% on him. You even get some hints after John’s death of what Edgar’s life is like before you meet him. Basically he took the gig in taking out Dutch’s former gang. He kidnaps John’s family and threaten them if he doesn’t help capture his former gang.
After John captures/kills his former gang, Edgar turns on John as a loose end and gets a medal for the work he never did. He lives a peaceful quiet life afterwards without a conscience when he could have exonerated John from his past crimes for helping the arrests/killings of his former gang.
But I assume he didn’t want to pardon John of his crimes because then it would mean he never caught all the gang members, and show that he was working with a former criminal with the arrests.
He wanted to take all the glory and not leave a stain in his work.
Goes to show you that even lawman have no morals. Jack was 100% justified here
@@Mr.Nobody_97 You’re assuming too much power to Ross. How do you know it was his choice to kill John? He could have been forced to have John killed by his higher-ups at the Pinkerton agency.
RD2 also gives us even more insight, given that Milton was the head detective on their case before he was killed by Abigail (I’m assuming the Pinkertons think John did it).
It’s very obvious that Ross was never the one in charge, even though he has Fordham to boss around in the later events of RD1. There’s also the fact that the U.S Army was involved in neutralizing Dutch and the siege on Beecher’s Hope.
We, as the player, feel 100% justified for killing Ross at the end of RD1.
Ross was a bad person who did bad things, like every character in this game (including John).
I also don’t think he was 100% at fault for what happened to John. I believe he was forced to do what he had to.
I love how the people are just leading Jack to Ross conveniently when Jack looks menacing, bandolier filled bullets wrapped on him eith a rifle on his back and Jack says "he's delivering a letter". Just cracks me up.
They must have hated Ross thats gotta be the only reason 😂
must be a important letter from a important rich man, edgar war the boss of the FBI so it can be like that
Back then leaving a town without a weapon was just asking to get raped, robbed, and murdered. Anyone with sense would bring a few guns on their horse.
Not an uncommon look in them there parts and time.
Those days traveling around was dangerous. It wasnt uncommon for people to carry their guns on them. Especially if you not in the bigger cities
The guitar sound, the freeze, the red filter, the tied loose end.. legendary end for a legendary western!!
It's so good man!
Agree. Jack is so ominous in that red filter. Ending all of the gang's struggle in a single blood-stained frame.
The trumpets in Mexico!
a masterpiece
No. There is one more loose end, Jack himself.
Jacks first encounter with Ross was at a river. And so was his last encounter as well
I think that's why they wrote in their first meeting to take place like that in RDR2, as a reference or callback to their last meeting in RDR1. Would've been even better if Ross had half-recognized Jack in RDR1 but couldn't place him, since he said that one line to him in RDR2 then held him and Abigail hostage through all of RDR1.
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@@jasondannheim862 it was definitely a reference to how Jack kills Ross here. Ross in RDR 2 I think even says "enjoy your fishing while it lasts" or something like that to Jack.
To top it off, Arthur didn't draw his weapon that day at the river. His weapons all passed to John when he died. Finally, when John passed all he owned to Jack, Jack was able to go to the river and (at least by that logic) kill Ross with the same weapon Arthur had been carrying that day. So the same pinkerton died at the hands of the boy who grew up to hold the gun of the man who would not let harm come to him that day. Poetic justice much?
@@fintandeconnachta5525 also with jacks cowboy outfit in rdr1 it’s Arthur’s coat and johns hat
Literally the final part of the entire game, the grand finale revenge duel against Edgar Ross, "You accepted a duel, here is a tutorial on how to duel"
@Skinny Legend your mum
@Skinny Legend shut up!! just shut up
There's something melancholic about it, I just don't know what it is, but it's perfect.
Cos it's jacks first time doing one
Only happens with Jack's first duel.
If you happen to duel before this, there isn't a tutorial.
“You killed my father. You killed him!”
“I killed NUTS and BERRIES! You moron!”
I was gonna say, he said that with the same conviction of "You eat babies!".
“I ain’t leaving here, filthy beast!”
Jack and Sasquatch readies to duel
@@ZonnexNecton We got Bloodborne 2 before GTA 6
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“ I’m sure your husband will be just fine “
Jack delivered that line with the confidence of Dutch, the Alpha part in Arthur and the uncertainty of John
I can imagine it in every one of their voices.
That's because he was team effort
@@Zig-ZagDZ omg, "Team effort" 😂
@@Zig-ZagDZ living up to the name I see 😆
😂 real team effort ,I wonder who really got it
"Your father killed himself with the life he lived." But he left that life behind until you showed up to get him to do your dirty work before you killed him anyway.
Though technically grammatically sound, it's awkward to start a sentence with a conjuction.
@Noah Hawkins even though ross probably robbed killed more people in the name of 'justice'
You're wrong. He DIDNT leave that life behind. He went after Micah, against Arthur's advice to "not look back," which is exactly what led Ross and Archer to him. They found Micah's body and then asked around at Strawberry, where John had just previously hanged a man with Sadie looking for Micah. Asked around other places too and traced it back. If he actually left that life behind, his discovery by the FEDs would have been substantially prolonged, or even avoided all together.
"People don't forget. Nothing gets forgiven"
@@misstrunchbull3953 No buying the Ranch and getting the Loan from the Bank is what let Ross and the Agents to Johns doorstep Lol. All killing Micah did was Give Ross an Idea on how to use John.
that's for ruining his fishing trip with arthur years ago😤
Jim Milton interrupted the fishing trip, not Edgar Ross
@@wikkidbeats5387 Andrew Milton interrupted the fishing trip, not Jim Milton
@@wikkidbeats5387 milton and ross are there
How poetic, the first and last time we see ross is by a river with someone fishing
Lmao yeah even I forgot the real Milton’s first name
I like how his death wasn't a cutscene or anything. It's not dramatic It's just, he's been shot and killed, nothing to crazy, no last words or anything. It's kind of anticlimactic really and I think that's why it's good. An anticlimactic end to Jack's revenge story
Why do you see the ending being anticlimactic as being a good thing?
I thought of it as a way showing Ross died just like any other man
@@Assassinboy8084fun He didn't though, it was pure poetic justice
thats what death is, lights out...not everything has a build up. if they wanted to milk it they could have made it a DLC but they ended it perfectly
yeah. i aagree. its just....real. not disney at all if you know what i mean. thats it. the end. and nothing else matter.
This game needs a proper remaster, absolute classic!
Ikr, such a missed opportunity. Someone wanted to do this but got into legal problems. Such a stupid thing to do, not allowing others to do the work they (Rockstar Games) just won't do
What's wrong with the original version? If 70 bucks is burning a hole in your wallet you can always send it to me I got a family to feed
Bad news for you friend.
@@radelta yeah the xbox one version is really good. Pc port will never happen sadly, but I'll take it.
@@radelta If you're begging for 70 dollars you should worry a little less about him and more about that starving family of yours.
I guess Jack trained so that he’d be able to kill Ross as revenge for ruining his family. This is a pure case of a man that only has vengeance to motivate him. Ross betrayed John after making a deal with him for his freedom. We don’t know if Ross made that decision or Nate Johns pulled the stringers, and for Jack, his father tried to change, and he witnessed him in a pool of blood, so of course he would enact revenge. One contrast between Jack’s revenge and his father’s is that Jack didn’t endanger anyone else and his family was gone, and his mother’s death may have further motivated him to kill Ross. I just hope that he did become a writer and lived his life.
I like to believe Jack is the fictional author of the RDR series
in gta v you can find a book written by J Marston.
@@bully9373 Hope it’s canon with the RDR universe
@@justsomeguy747Well the first Manhunt game seems to be in the same universe as GTA so why not RDR
My headcanon is that Ross is his first and last kill as a gunslinger. The short look at his gun and deep breath before resting the gun in it's holster might meant the gun already served it's purpose, and it's time to lay down his weapons and end the cycle. People says Jack will continue the cycle, but I disagree, John already lay low before his death, the loose ends will eventually tied themselves from time to time, by Jack's time America is already on the industrial age, and Jack was just 19, literate, and familiar with modern age, as long as he didn't get caught or crossing the law, I'm sure he'll get his life straight soon after RDR.
Finally, someone who actually understands how the dueling worked in RDR 1 and didn’t just spam shoot Ross to death lol 😂.
Funny that he seemed to play no duels up to this point. You can tell because the game asked him to skip the (quite useless) tutorial.
@@welon17 it still pops up every time
@@MRJAYWILSON does it? Hold on, gotta play the entire thing to make sure
@@welon17 except the fact the story requires quite a few before you even get to that point (West Dickens' Cholla Springs presentation, Hans Muller in Chuparosa, bandito with hostage in Chuparosa, rush on Escalera).
The mauser has enough bullets for the spamming "strategy" to work.
I actually feel like This game did a lot of things really really well compared to the second game but I still live both equally! Also Jack seems very underrated overall i wonder if the story will be about him if they ever make an RDR3
Same here! And I agree but I don’t think the story should be added to. I think it’s perfect the way it is and how it ended.
I feel they should make a red dead revenge as Jack hasn’t done anything wrong to be redeemed. It should take place right after and have a jack driven by pure rage
It also fits the naming convention
I honestly think if they remade RDR1 they should put more into the epilouge, it felt so short to me.
If we were to see Jack again, it'll probably be in WWI or the 20s, with all the Mafia and whatnot. I'm leaning towards Mafia personally, with a WWI element as a flashback or implied, basically as background.
“I’m sure you’re husband will be just fine” lol 😂
She has nothing to worry about I’m sure his husband is sleeping well and cozy with the fishes😂.
@@fighter500mx3 more like the ducks he was hunting but yeah since there is a "sleeping with the fish" thing😂👍
you forget to add the "exhale in the end. come on... we are talking CockstarGames here... the small details...
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"your", dummie
On the bright side, the bureau won't be bothering him anymore
I made sure there were no loose ends. 15 year old me was a damn SAVAGE when i beat the game. Made sure that jack wouldn't have anybody else to hunt him down. What made me extremely sad was when i was in the sheriffs office in a shootout shortly after beating the game, and jack screamed "i dont have anything left to live for!" To the police. Poor jack, he deserved better. But, in a way he lived better than most. Same goes for john. Arthur...wasnt so lucky.
I know Jack felt that way at the time, but I strongly believe if he found himself a spouse and started a family, he'd find new purpose again. Maybe that's what he did.
@@thenovicewhispers We can only hope. He really did deserve better
Hope he find a spouse and they had children. The only thing sure is he becomes a writer and I bet he found solace in art. One century later his legacy lives on in Red Dead book
@@Geral454 Yeah me too man...me too
That's some Niko Bellic type combat banter right there
I like the simplicity and impact of this scene. No cheeky one liners, no dramatic music, no overly done cutscene. He gets shot, flops into the river, and Jack leaves
And no lost fingers,crying or letting people go. Neil Druckmann should have known.
Just a man shot to death, the man responsible walking away before the screen freezes and bloodies, with a sting of a guitar and the name of the game.
4:24 Even when he dies, Edgar is such a drama queen.
While people find the ending to be badass to end the game for Jack getting his revenge on Ross, I find it to be tragic because John wanted is for his son to have a normal life and either be a writer or a rancher, but instead he chose what his father and his mother told him not be, an outlaw.
That's in part why it feels so anticlimactic, it is satisfying for the player, but a silent moment for jack that it feels like it didn't make him happier
He does become a writer his book on Dutch's gang is in GTA5.
Jack killed Ross in Mexico and then dipped out of the area. No one will know who he is
@@AyoSquareRoot more poetic than anticlimactic. Story’s don’t always need to have a good ending. Jack finds himself on his own, no family, children or gang the last of a dying breed. He was never meant to be an outlaw but vengeance lead him to that life. In a way he’s carrying on his families legacy even if that’s not what his father wanted. Living out his days as one of the last to be entrenched in the outlaw life; before the Wild West was fully tamed.
@@EmmettMontanaro That's just an easter egg from Rockstar, it is confirmed by the fact that in the Red Dead universe there is California and Los Angeles, but in GTA V they don't exist
Those few chords that play when Jack looks down at the gun after killing Ross kick me right in the heart… Almost like it’s the last breath of the Wild West. It’s As if Arthur, Hosea, Uncle, Charles and John are speaking to Jack for the last time. Outlaws to the end… pure poetry
Charles didn't die.
@@tristarea08Its been so many years so who knows, probably a grandpa at this point
@@coolwolf506 John was 38 when he died, considering that Jack is now 19 that means that John would've been in his 50s when Jack was alive, if we assume Charles was around the same age then it's possible he's a dad not a grandpa
Poor Jack, I felt so bad for him when I replayed RDR2 and RDR1. I was glad about the few people that DID care for Jack in RDR2 but damn. What an environment to grow up in.
WORK YA DAMN NAG
Love how Jack is wearing John's hat and Arthur's coat
That's not Arthur's coat. His was made of a different material.
@@KingShibe no, the games just have different graphics
@@nosignal2016 Is there any source that confirms it or is it just what you want to believe?
@@nosignal2016 i think it isn't but its made to resemble Arthur's coat
@@BeanyBubblez Arthur didn't exist in rdr1
Ross had a rifle in his hand when Jack got there, then he got threatened, Jack didn´t had his gun out yet, and Ross, instead of shooting him right there with it, dropped it and then proceeded with the protocol cowboy standoff instead.
So much to no Honor
Let's just say he needed to reload
He fired it but he hadn't operated the action again yet, so there was nothing in the chamber. Safe to say, if he tried to chamber a round and then aim the result would've been the same.
@@chrisredfield6274 would make sense, however in this case that shotgun was semi-auto, so unless he was outta ammo..
@@chrisredfield6274 that's a browning auto-5, it's semi-automatic
When the epilogue started, the realization of playing as Jack and seeing the ? on the map. I knew what was coming. When I found Edgar Ross at the river, it was the most serious feeling I’d ever had from a game.
Now that RDR 2 existed, I feel even more satisfied by this ending : Jack has not only avenged is father, he also avenged the whole gang and it's terrible fate since the Blackwater massacre.
After that was over I spent a lot of time playing as Jack in Mexico. The scenery was better and novel compared to the rest of the map that I’d already spent many hours in. And it seemed right that for a while Jack might stay in Mexico to let any legal issues die down before returning. Though we know that most likely he ended up becoming a writer since we found a book written by a “J. Marston” in GTA V. I think it’s more likely that Jack wrote it than John. Or possibly a child of Jack’s with a name that starts with a J. He’s still only around 19 when he killed Edgar Ross so he easily could have had children later and I would not be surprised if one was named after his dad.
In red dead 1's 'epilogue' or whatever you wanna call it where you play as jack, the year is 1914, the year world war 1 began. Some food for thought
@@ethoman04 I know. I've often wondered if Jack joined the Army and fought in the war.
Teen Jack in RDR2 is almost always reading and I think he talks about wanting to write too, it's gotta be him
que renunció a todo El mundo de los perdidos en la mañana o en la tarde de ellos y tampoco contesta el dinero para la fritada y atún con gases de los perdidos de los cuadernos para que no te sientas culpable de todo el dinero que renunció y a mi contra de ellos deserta a la doctora que ya no es nada mas que el tanque de gas
Jack's full name is "John Marston Jr." Jack is already named after his dad with Jack being a nickname. Not to say he wouldn't father a John Marston III though.
“They’ll not rest until they killed him with worry”
Jack: 👀
4:50 this outro is something else
0:00 - 0:41 This guy (who the wiki says is named Howard Sawicki) probably had it out for Ross personally and lead Jack to him knowing that he wants him dead. He opens up a LOT of information about him, and he caughs in front of several sentences like he's hinting something
He smoked a blunt before jack came out. That’s why he was coughing. Look it up.
He was smoking before you interact with him holy shit
@@CarthaginianCow you haven't met many smokers then
@@CarthaginianCow ^ My Mother chain smoked her way through chemo therapy, and the only thing that made her cough was taking a bong hit after a treatment session. Cigarettes didn't make her cough
@@AlyssMa7rin the stuff they smoked wasn't so mellow tho. No filters too
American Venom is an INSANE mission. It’s so much fun, the music is amazing and killing Micah was awesome but this ending was just something else…. It’s so much better. Killing Edgar was so satisfying. He was such a terrible person and maybe even worse than Micah. Killing Edgar was awesome but the little detail afterwards is just so heartbreaking after you’ve played rdr2. Jack looking at his gun for that short amount of time. You the player just sit there and think Abigail, Hosea, Arthur and John spent so many years trying to keep Jack away from that life but when Jack looks at his gun he realises he’s become his Dad and the player realises that Abigails, Hosea’s, Arthur’s and johns effort were all for nothing. Now Jack is in that life. Then we get that BADASS red dead redemption screen with Jack and top it all off…. The credits. Sweet and short with two beautiful songs “deadman’s gun” and “exodus in America”. Just like the entire game this ending was perfection.
Rdr2 is the better game overall. All the side missions in rdr2 are better barring the side mission “I know you” and rdr2 just runs better. It’s just a better game. However the main story has gotta go to rdr1. It’s just so basic in the best way possible. The game was truly a masterpiece.
Micah was an outlaw just like Arthur, Dutch, John and Jack (by proxy). Edgar Ross used the cover of the law to be just as much of an outlaw. He deserved killing almost more than Micah.
I always quickdraw Joe and the other two guys
i think he left that life real quick after he got revenge
@@sonnyclarke8804 rdr1 shows us once ur in that life there’s no way out that life. U can have a break from the life but it’ll finally catch up to u.
Well we don't exactly know if Jack became an outlaw. Maybe his mission was just to kill Ross then go back to a normal life. It's the player's choice.
4:50 this is arguably the greatest closing scene in gaming history. wow.
2:46 can't say i've ever seen someone hold a gun like that
Its so cool that jack is wear johns hat, arthurs coat and dutchs badana all at once
🤯
I can see why some might think it's Arthur's coat, but it's not. Arthur's coat had a black band around the back of the neck, Jack's doesn't.
So you're telling me his brother hears the gunshots and doesnt rush to see if Edgar is ok... probably hated him too hahahaha
Actually he usually gets eaten by the nearby wolf pack as you leave.
They're hunting
the cow boy man disappeared na
It's a far distance and they're hunting.
Yeah you ride pretty far from him after that bit. And also I usually shoot him in the head anyway
Yes yes and YES! This is how you end a game. I’ve been sayin this for years. Still gives me chills to this day. Red Dead Redemption IS one of the best games ever.
Although I think RDR2 did it better, more meaningful and more memorable, but they both did it in an enviable way.
This isn’t exactly a “good” ending though, in the sense that everything John struggled for through out the entirety of the story was too get him AND his family away from this life. Even on Arthur’s part too as towards the end of his story a new goal of his is to help John live the life he couldn’t. You hear dialogue in both games about how hopefully and even assumedly that Jack will not grow up to be some gun slinging outlaw, but this ending to the story is the (unfortunate) opposite.
Such was the wild west
As I understand it, Jack moved to New York after this and became a bestselling author.
Hopefully he became a writer or participated in WW1/2 and straightened out, it’s exactly what John and Abigail would’ve wanted
@@hasselett this is untrue
John himself said it best. To Hosea, and to Bonnie:
*_"People don't forget. NOTHING gets forgiven."_*
So now we have to look at it from Jack's perspective-
Do you walk away from it all and leave well enough alone? *_Knowing_* who killed your father *_AND_* your Uncle and why? Even after the difficulty it likely put on you and your momma in her final years, because back then nothing was more integral to survival and an upbringing than having a Man of the House.
Or do you tie up one final loose end?
One thing that I've always liked about Red Dead is that even with an Honor System, *_NOTHING_* is Black and White and you still have to be able to rationalize/justify what you do to somebody else as well as yourself.
"It's okay Ross. I forgive you"
- Written by Neil Druckmann.
I can always tell who has lived with real hate and who hasn't by how they react to the ending of that game. If you can't relate to why a person would make the choices Ellie made, well, you're lucky I guess.
It's been two years and I hope you realize that Jack getting revenge is presented as a bad thing. It's the opposite of what John wanted for his son. Let's not forget that John killing Micah is what lead to the Pinkertons finding him. Arthur literally says that revenge is a fool's game. Also, Ellie never forgave Abby. She let go because she realized that killing her wouldn't have stoped her pain. Both games are about the cycle of violence, but only one shows the cycle being broken.
@@Username-wh2ij But forgiveness isn't good either. Imagine if John let Micah live to continue his crimes. RDR did a much better job showing the consequences of revenge than the garbage Tlou2.
@@ChristinaVisionChannel The Last of Us Part 2 is a terrible game. Like, everything about it is literally bad and doesn't know how revenge and "forgiveness" work. Not to mention that it was full of forced left wing politics and completely ruined the characters of the first game while they wasted new ones like Jesse. Truly awful.
I never said that the characters had to forgive those who hurt them. I was saying that revenge only hurt the characters who acted upon it. John got revenge and it resulted in his and Abigail's death. As well as Jack becoming an outlaw, which is not what John and Abigail ever wanted for their son.
The "are you out visiting the lake with your family?" breaks my heart every time.
They met on a fishing trip and ended with Jack killing him on a fishing trip. It’s like poetry, it rhymes lol 😂
Ross was hunting ducks
The look Jack gives the revolver at the end... Man thats some shit. Its almost as if hes looking at it and thinking "thats it? I'm not gonna feel any better?" And then like a man, and like his father, he carries the fuck on. Real gangster shit by the last Van Der Linde Gang member.
I always saw it as him wondering what his father would think of what he just did.
"I just came here to say, i'm forgiving you for killing my father."
Roll credits
- Directed by Neil Druckman
You didnt even play that Game stfu.
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I swear, I'll never get bored of people making fun of Tlou2 xd
And that's why I like Jack way better then Ellie.
4:07
"In the name of father, son and the holy spirit, amem." ⚰️
I remember the first time I played it and saw John get Scarface'd... then you wake up as Jack. I thought the game just ended like that until that random sidequest you get. RDR 1&2 are some of the greatest games ever made.
I did everything else before killing Ross. Was much more satisfying to get 100% and the Bureau Outfit after killing Ross.
I really thought that ross will recognize the hat not jack introducing himself it would be cool of he just recognized it instead of jack telling him
Edit:btw if u loot ross he gives 400 dollars
I mean he kinda does a long look going "don't I know you from somewhere" or something along those lines but tbh hits better the way it was done...lot cooler atleast
@@stonemanofgardnerville1162 well last time he saw jack he was looking way younger
Fun fact: in GTA V in Franklin's house there's a book written by J.Marston
So it seems that after RDR1 Jack became a writer, getting out of outlaw life
He could have written the book much later in life. Imagine he wrote it in the 40's. Decades still of being an outlaw.
I like the idea he eventually gets out of the life, though.
That’s an amazing Easter egg
I really wish we could have gotten to do more with Jack in RDR, but what a way to end a game.
Just imagine "Stand Unshaken" song playing at 4:30
" lake don julio " I always imagined a lake filled with tequila 🤣🤣
This is one of my favorite missions in the series. Seeing Jack gun down Ross is so satisfying.
The wife's response always made me kinda sad. She really cares about her husband. Her husband's a bastard, but I feel sorry for HER, you know?
I shot the brother and wife. I wish Ross would’ve known there was nobody left for him to cling onto before he died.
On the road to vengance dig 3 graves
maybe she didn't know about his corrupt side.
Well, he was not a bastard to her. Many men of dubious morality are good family men as well, those two parts of their lives are separate.
0:37 "uh, did I just f up?"
This ending happened during a thunderstorm in game and I have to say it really boosted the experience
Ross met Jack when he was still a small child with Arthur fishing down by the river. Now Jack got his vengeance by the river where Ross was fishing. What a story......
ironic
He was hunting but so close.
"Enjoy your fishing kid while you still can"
Little did Ross know then, but he just wrote his own deathwish when he said it.
This is how the bookends
Just realized that, as much as he wanted revenge, he kinda kept saying that Edgar killed his father to rationalize him killing a man without any reason besides revenge which could count as murder… because Edgar wasn’t aiming yet or even had his hand ready when he kept saying,”You killed my father. I saw it.” Few times. Till eventually Edgar got himself ready to kill Jack and then it was only reasonable to kill someone and it wouldn’t seem nor feel like murder or cold blooded.
I feel like a lot of people see this ending and see it as justified or that avenging John is the right thing to do, however imo this is a sad ending. Everything John did over the course of the rdr1 campaign was in effort to get his family away from crime, to raise an educated son that would go on to have a good life away from the criminal element, by Jack killing Edgar, he’s basically throwing away all the change that John tried to make, turning Jack into an outlaw wanted for murder (everyone you talked to in order to find Ross will remember Jack and most likely go to the police when Ross doesn’t come back from fishing)
Well fuck Ross I respectfully disagree with you he deserved to die because John didn't expect Ross to be knocking at his door having him kill off the rest of the gang but in the end Ross stabbed him in the back so it's reasonable why Jack did what he did but I haven't played through the entire game nor 2 yet but it's understandable I'm just more into the outlaws and feel like most of them deserved better
@@cld252 considering jack doesn't says his name when he was looking for ross and ross died around the river. That makes him hard to find.
And sorry for my English
@@cld252 it was a 60/40
@@adamryamizard5560 And he killed Ross in Mexico.
When you see Johns' grave, it was the first time in a video game that I stood looking at the tv for a half hour in shock.
Its sad how Jack ended up being just like John and Arthur, even after John and Abigail tried to make sure he never end up living that sort of life.
he was 19 at the time, theres still a chance he settled down. theres a gta 5 easter egg where a book says its written by a 'j.marston' and it includes the word 'redemption'
edit: the book was actually titled 'red dead'
The musical cue when Jack looks at his gun signifies how the player feels, the ending couldn't have been more perfect.
I sometimes reflect that even if John had not gone after Micah, nothing would have changed. Yes, he would have heeded Arthur's advice to not look back, but I think it's likely the Pinkertons would have used Micah the same way they betrayed and used John. Micah would have either hunted John down himself or led the agency straight to him. At least Arthur's sacrifice gave John a few years of peace with his family that he wouldn't have had otherwise.
4:35 Eh, this life aint so bad.
The first time I saw a clip of this ending, it was with the more modern semi-auto pistol. In that moment when Jack looks at his gun after shooting Ross, I couldn't help but think about how good the symbolism was there. No more revolvers, no more gunslingers; technology marched on, civilization encroached; the days of outlaws and cowboys was well and truly dead.
That title card after you kill him is the hardest shit known to man.
I really like how polite Jack is to everyone including the family of his father's killer. While it does get him the information he wants, I feel that this was just his character as he's always been a smart and sweet boy. John raised him well.
i feel bad for the wife and brother, they seemed nice, def didnt deserve to be affiliated with ross
same 😭
yeah :(
they're all older, jack was young when ross ruined his life
...i liked them immediately after the cutscence with them was over. It felt right, Like Jack was on the warpath and couldn't stop.
i killed all of them after the cutscenes with them ended, seemed in character for jack
Agent howard: "Fine man if you wanted results"
Ghost of john: Nah that was me.
damn bastard took credit for John's muckwork.
@@AlyssMa7rin Even the Marshal of Armadilo was given medals and honors and was hailed a hero taking out gang hideouts in the region and many bounties and it's all John's. As well as Reyes changing the tides and having songs sung about him and becoming a president and nobody mentions Marston.
@@TOT777SOS The Marshall of Armadillo helps John on Several Occasions, and Reyes also got his hands dirty.
Edgar uses John as an attack dog.
@@AlyssMa7rin Yes, I know Ross is the epitome of treachery, but I'm referring to how the narrative got built like in the final newspaper edition every factor here got what they wanted yet no mention of John except with the portion about Dutch and his demise and so is John and the rest of the Van Der Linde and that again given to Ross as a heroic deed. Sad, like that man alone, changed the face of the news in the regions he passed into.
I admire Jack's self restraint when he didn't immediately reveal to the guy that Ross achieved those results via kidnapping a man's family
I was lucky enough to experience this epic moment in gaming history at sunset (in-game). Shot Ross and he fell backwards into the pond with a splash as the last rays died out in the west.
“enjoy your fishing kid, till you still can”
“you too.”
Ross is duck hunting
The ending is like one of those old movies, the antagonist killed, the protagonist simply leaves the scene, no talking, nothing.
Imagine a different ending where Jack simply asks "Yes or no sir. Are you Edgar Ross. This is of the upmost importance." "Yes, I'm Edgar Ross. What's this---" Gets shot once and Jack leaves. Grateful he avenged his father, but knowing his can never truly save him.
Don’t worry John will come back as a zombie soon
Vito: Mr. Angelo?
Tommy: uH yes?
Vito: Mr. Salieri sends his regards.
Joe: *shoots shotgun*
Tommy: *dead*
When u kill Edgar everything is over…this agent had been hunting Marston family for years and when you kill him you have the feeling that everything iz over once and for all!
They were not hunting the family, they were hunting for John, who was a wanted criminal.
@@Tugela60 ...and now they'll be hunting for Jack. It's a vicious wheel, sometimes.
I like to think that’s Arthur’s jacket he’s wearing
Crazy to think this one side mission is why Red Dead Redemption is called Red Dead Redemption
That final title card with the guitar strum at the end is the cherry on top of the ending
absolutely spine tingling all the way to the very last frame
Jack wearing clothes that resemble Arthur's jacket, Dutch's bandana, on top of that John's actual hat. Rockstar apparently designed Red dead 2 Arthur and Dutch to reference this.
@James john no they did not lol. They didn’t even know how much of a success RDR1 would become and since it’s been one of the greatest games back then, they decided years later to work on a second game
It's a little bit weird and somewhat poetic how all of the main villains deaths in the series were all anti-climactic. When Agent Milton, Leviticus Cornwall, Angelo Bronte, Colm O'Driscoll, Bill Williamson, Javier Escuella, Dutch Van Der Linde, Edgar Ross, and of course Micah Bell, just to name a couple, did you feel accomplishment when they died? And if you did how much accomplishment did you feel? There's no point in revenge. When Arthur Morgan told John Marston to run and never look back, he didn't want Marston to have vengeance, he wanted him to be safe with his family. But what did he do? He hunted down Micah Bell, leaving a trail of bread crumbs for the Pinkertons to find him at Beecher's Hope, the opposite of what Arthur wanted for him. And as Arthur once said, "Vengeance is an idiots game."
Milton : much accomplishment
Cornwall : No Accomplishment
Bronte : A little Accomplishment
O'Driscoll:Some Accomplishment
Bill:No Accomplishment
Javier : No Accomplishment
Dutch :No Accomplishment
Dutch post Rdr2: A Lot of Accomplishment
Ross :Alot of Accomplishment
Bell: The Most Accomplishment
Micah: a fuckton of Accomplishment
Revenge might be a Idiot's Game , but damn it feels good
It won't be cinematic
0:30 - This agent, its probably the one who is going after Jack after Ross got killed. This quote right here:
- "Lucky guy, getting to take it easy. Beats fighting crime in this dump, that's for sure. " Reveals that he respects Ross and getting Jack killed after he killed a retired agent, would make him an great agent like ROss, since its basically what Ross did after what Dutchs gang did to the Pinkertons
I had ended the John storyline, and was abit confused with the Jack epilogue. But, I did the missions and had fun. Then when this mission ended, and those words flashed on the screen, my god what a good ending. I am about to finish pt2 and I am looking forward to this happening again with John . . .
03:39 I ain't going nowhere, you old grump!
The fact that Edgar Ross doesn’t blast Jack away at 3:24 I mean, I KNOW fans would have had a coronary at Jack dying, but I don’t know, I like to believe Edgar knew in his heart that he had this coming. All those years with John being gone, and Jack growing up; I like to think that Edgar made peace with knowing that he should die for what he did. But I don’t know. Maybe that is giving Edgar too much respect.
Its possible the gun was out of ammo. Its also possible that Ross was just cocky in being able to beat Jack. After all, Ross has been fighting old west crime longer than Jack has been alive.
@@Teknanam the rifle probably had birdshot (since ross was duck hunting), which wouldnt have been enough to kill jack
@@FrantixxIDK
Birdshot can be lethal. Even a non-lethal shot could still incapacitate Jack long enough for Ross to finish him off with his handgun.
They could totally continue Jack's story as a non-western since his starts so much later on. Maybe he moves to New York and becomes a prominent mafia don or soldier. Like a red dead/LA noire (with you being the criminal) mix.
Over my dead body! He will be a LAWYER. He does the hangin not the swingin
@@thenovicewhispers Lawyers are more dangerous than any gang.
@@thenovicewhispers gunslingers can be lawyers to, says arthur morgan
@@voejina1042 don't go puttin ideas in the boy's head
nah theres action in the south
you know
those rich frist class southern
that wars white robes and burn crosses
Probably not intentional but. Jack seems to be wearing an outfit similar to Arthur's while wearing John's hat. That shit brings a tear to my eye lol.
Didn't Arthur gave his hat to john?
@@fall5923Yes but Johns hat in the first game isn’t Arthur’s
The endings are bittersweet. Ross killed John, we get revenge. But now Jack is left alone in the dying west, doing exactly what his mother didn't want
John/Dutch kill Micah but it leads too Ross finding him. John got 4yrs of a happy family life before being used.
"Revenge is a fools game" - Arthur Morgan
So i played the original game sooooo much. Many many hours into that game. But I will forever see the game as with a different ending. On this mission when I went to draw my weapon, I was attacked by a coyote which grabbed my arm and while fighting with the animal, Jack got shot and was killed. I said to myself something about it being so random and perfectly timed that it would hard to ever match that level of surprise and powerlessness as the enemy slowly rises the gun and puts you down like a dog and you actually having your gun arm in the jaws of an animal while you watch it all happen. I wish I had that on video, but that’s how I see this whole storyline conclusion. It’s too perfect not too.
I love how this game's ending really made me question the concept of nature vs nurture. Do you feel compelled to hunt down Ross because violent retribution is a natural urge in people or because you were nurtured by society to believe it's appropriate?
I think if we consider it revenge, it waters down the meaning as to why he killed Ross. I’d say it was “Redemption” no pun intended. He was the last one that got away after doing John so dirty. Wasn’t really about revenge as more of capital punishment
It is something people do from emotion.
Emotions have the unfortunate property of blocking intelligent thinking and so killing someone out of hatred for something horrible they did to you is pretty much nature.
The only important thing to remember is predetermination is not predestination. The difference is simply what you are compelled to do versus what you choose to do. In this case it seems Jack’s choice was aligned with his conscience. There isn’t any more pure decision for who a person is when those 2 things align without any third person influencing that decision.
Dude, it's just a game, relax
@@lucasclavijo803 Lucas, it's just a comment, go seethe somewhere else lol.
I actually never finished Jack's quest. That question mark is still on my map to this day. It just feels right to close the game down for good after John is killed.
Imagine the GUILT Edgar’s family must feel after he gets killed 😭
“Oh sure he’s over there”
Your hands upon
A deadman's gun, and you're
Lookin' down the sights
Jack: Don't worry about a thing. I'm sure your husband will be just fine.
Also Jack: 04:23
The way they made Jack resemble his dad, in a game! Is incredible, he deserves his own game!
Next one needs to be about Jack starting his own gang
It’s funny. Jack looks like everyone.
@@yungjahallah3246 the wild west was already well over by the year 1914 (when the epilogue takes place) so if a rdr3 does happen we'll have to go back in time
An ending that is both satisfying and sad.
John never wanted such a life for Jack, but because of the way Ross ended things he too is headed down a spiral of vengeance and death.
The achivement after that is called ”Into the sunset”
I loved that.
Cool how jack meets ross at a riverside for the first and last time
2:17 jack looks almost exactly like red harlow at that angle, its strange because the story of red harlow and the story of jack are pretty similar.
I absolutely love RDR2 and it’s story but for me RDR1 still has the best narrative overall. There’s a real lonely feel to it and the story feels much more contained with John’s struggle for redemption.
"It's time for your red dead redemption, Ross!" best line of the game. It really hit home
Man, that part where Ross stares in shock at Jack's gun as he falls to the ground and thinks to himself "What IS that... some kind of red dead revolver?" while the "sad_trombone.wav" plays in the background was one of the cutscenes in gaming history.
Then he redemptioned all over and Ross was dead, 10/10 ending
“IT’S JACK MARSTON, EDGAR!!”
In my opinion this is the best outro to a video game in a long time that I've seen