This guy is literally John, fell from a robbing gang of outlaws and criminals, got a farm, worked the land and redeemed himself, all until the past catches up with John in Rdr1
To be fair, we don’t know if this guy redeemed himself. Just that he retired from crime. That’s not the same as redeeming. You have to earn redempion, doing enough good deeds to counterbalance all the crimes and murders. A criminal that for years took advantage of his crimes and than just stopped May have changed, but didn’t redeemed himself. While john, after all he did for the govern (ne supposing that the player didn’t made him do plenty of crimes meanwhile), DID actucally eran his pardon (and was betrayed anyway by the govern)
That's just how it is, holding conversation with the sheriff discussing the henious crime of a bounty worth 50$, meanwhile when I put the psycho mask I do things that have put me well over 500 in the whole map.
The moment I realized how JOHNson was practically John, I simply rode away, but then the game said the mission failed. Then I just completed the mission with a heavy heart. Rockstar knew what they were doing
If it weren’t for John joining the Van Der Linde Gang, this is probably how things would’ve turned out. Goes to show that despite all of the bad; The gang gave John a good shot at a family that this poor guy never got.
Me as well. His peacefulness made me think it was being too easy to be true. As I expected, I wasn't wrong (which is why I went all the way with the Lancaster rifle in the hand, though I had to store it to pick up Johnson and, therefore, I couldn't return fire inmediately when I was ambushed).
The way I see it, I can't be that upset about his outcome if he is deceptive in trying to escape and has a group of people with itchy trigger fingers. I have a feeling he wanted to change but did not
@@GKPB they're pretty bad yeah, but to take advantage of someone despite saying you've changed is pretty bad. At least Dutch and co. Are honest about how bad they are still
not sure how is it sad. this man literally ask his son to get his men to kill you. He tried to escape despite claiming he will come peacefully. When you throw him in jail, he hope your past will not catch up to you. He was not all willingly to come with you. He would have shoot you if he had guns. He asked his son to remembered the moment he was tied up, not because he want his son to learn from his mistake for committing crime. He want his son to learn from not getting caught.
Yeah, what kind of bastard tries to escape being PUT TO DEATH through deception? I personally make a habit of pulling the trigger of any gun pointed at me. That's the honourable way!
@@kaliyuga1476 It is literally the opposite with John. He tried to keep his son away from his life. He even died trying to prevent that. Abagail constantly try to keep John away from this life. How in the world are they the same? Johnson ask his son to get his men to kill Arthur. John ask his son and wife to run away. What are you guys smoking?! I think the story is trying to tell you how two similarly named characters, take two completely opposite decision.
I find it better to play as John for most of the bounty’s in the epilogue as it is canon that John does bounty work to earn money for the ranch and of course it mirrors Johns fate in the future
@@generaldasbananas now I do a few bounty’s as Arthur because he would do anything to make money in the beginning chapters for the gang but as the story progresses I don’t believe he would worry too much about bounty’s Johns the true bounty Hunter
@@r3idmcread212 I do the Valentine ones, and the one in Saint Denis for the Lemoyne Raider leader as Arthur, and the Strawberry one (Joshua whatshisname, the one you duel), and save the rest for John, I don't feel like Arthur would ever go back to Rhodes after chapter 3, and the Rhodes bounties only spawn in after chapter 3 so I leave those for John, as well as the Tumbleweed ones, Blackwater, and the one for Anthony Foreman if I didn't kill him back in chapter 3
I let him talk to his family, tied him up as far away from his family as I could managed, ignored his buddies (they couldn’t keep up or aim), collected the bounty, talked to him, shot his rope free a few days later, he doesn’t understand me, but he forgave me. I paid my bounty off. I netted $20. Anyone know if you can do this bounty as John in the epilogue?
@@fuzzbutt4551 lol. My Arthur is usually broke. So I turned him in for the money. I didn’t want to cause a scene in front of his family. Didn’t feel like wasting my time with his old buddies. But, between his wife’s sobbing and the similarity to John’s story later on, I just couldn’t so lightly rob his family by letting him hang.
There's one outcome missing. If you don't let him say his farewells, does the gang still attack you, since he didn't get time to give his son instructions?
When I did this bounty, I genuinely felt bad. Goddamn 25 dollars. 25 dollars to ruin a family. It might be the thing i'm a huge softie too lol. I tried to let him go, let him run away with his family. But the mission appeared as failed and i had to redo it. You can't let him go. EDIT: There are a few things that concern me about the guy actually, and that is how he treats his son. The scene implies that he probably isn't a too good father and would cause some serious issues to the son if he continued acting like that. I think it was for the best he was taken away from the family. Idk the crimes he did nor his background so i can't tell how would i punish him if it was up to me. The mistreatment to his son might also imply that he isn't a good person in general. R* likes giving unclear messages for us to figure out ourselves. I doubt that if he did some serious crimes other than perhaps stealing a few horses/cattle and/or robbing townfolk he'd only have a bounty of 25 bucks, counting in that the player gets a bounty of 40 dollars for killing someone. That applies just to the player tho and idk how is it with npcs. Afterall the skinnerbrother bounty gives only 80 bucks, and the dude massacred dozens of people. Kinda a fucked system but reasonable for the bounties to not be op. I think you guys are right. He isn't a good person when we summarize it and I shouldn't feel bad.
If you robbed a stagecoach or a train before, you know you bound to have had killed someone in the process He as well ruined many families to be a wanted man, your empathy is for the wrong side my guy
He, his wife and son did not get any sympathy from me. Tried to do that whole family goodbye nonsense, just for me to feel bad. Then he sent his goons to rescue him. Screw them! Not falling for their deception.
His wife is genuinely annoying as fuck too lol. Just immediately sells him out. Random stranger walks up to your wanted husband and you go "THEY'RE HERE FOR YOUR BOUNTY!!!!!!!" like, jesus lady, way to sell him out
I mean would you feel differently, if you replaced Mark with John, and his goons with Arthur, Dutch and Hosea? They’re basically showing us how John is “one of the lucky ones”, and that Mark Johnson is how the story usually ends.
@@123Mathzak These commenters lack self awareness or empathy. All they see is someone lying to them and inconveniencing them, and the immediate emotional reactions is to be upset and dislike that person. They don't consider the narrative framing being utilized, the parallels to characters they are sympathetic to (like John) or how it would feel to be in that man's situation. Black and white thinking. Reaching a conclusion based on gut reactions and then justifying it after the fact.
And this is why no other dev studio does things on the level Rockstar does: this kind of attention to detail and variety of outcomes in their games must take a truly mind-boggling amount of time, money and effort to implement. Basically all other open worlds feel lifeless and cookie cutter after playing RDR2.
@JBT I've been in an abusive family, that is not abuse. Would pushing a 12-15 year old in football practice be abusive? I mean it's really not much different on what's going on here
I let him speak to the boy, but his friends never showed up. I think i was so fast of getting him back on the horse that they simply weren't able to get to me. I had maxed out arabian so maybe they just don't get to you in time. During my first playthrough they appeared slightly after i got him back on the horse and shot them is they were chasing me. The guy was yelling "NO!" and "Oh god" from the back as i killed them 1 by 1.
I don't really have sympathy for this guy, he started a family and either then robbed one or more trains, or after he had done so. Then he kept up with his buddies in the event he needed them to kill for him, because they're killers, and he is too. Then he involves his son in the attempted murder of any bounty hunter that came for him, using deception to play on their good will, this is after he's pushed his son to continue trying to mount a horse he's clearly not big enough for... for hours, which is not the biggest of his sins, but it shows what kind of father he is. And on top of all this, _he's_ _a_ _racist_ While I wish he could have redeemed himself, he didn't even come close, let alone to be forgiven.
@@noah-xt9tx I mean other than him being a Lemoyne Raider or talking positively about his time in a white supremacist antebellum south gang? I mean the vibes are a bit off otherwise but I think being part of a white supremacist gang does it.
Oh yeah. Instead of saying good bye to his family he whispered in his son's ear by telling him to let know his doormats to ambush Arthur while they were on their way to Rhode's sheriff. Well thought. Too bad for him it didn't work for they were deal with the legend of the east Arthur Morgan! And he would say to Arthur "I'm a changed man"
@@AshwinY I need to re-download RdR2 again. I could have sworn that you're able to shoot both the wife and son, and he pretty much cusses you out until his buddies show up to spring him. I might be conflating two different missions though.
Honestly I felt bad but at the same time I just thought about the people he likely killed in the Stage and Train robberies and then I didn't feel as bad.
I laughed at the sad story. When I saw this game try to pull my heartstrings after all the stuff it put me through I just went: "SHUT UP,GET ON MY HORSE! 25$ IS 25$! I'D HAVE DONE IT FOR 5!"
I actually turned and walked away, even heard the Mom say "He's giving us clemancy!", and then after a few more steps, I failed the mission. So, with no choice, I took him with me....only to get ambushed, I was like "YOU SON OF A BITCH! I WAS GONNA LET YOU GO!"
I felt so bad for this guy as he was willingly turning himself in to me. The halfway to the cell and he has three guys ambush me. Let's just say we had a swim in the nearby river for that one....
Was part of an old gang, now lives a comfortable and regular life with his wife and son, former criminal. If you switch his name around you get John Markson. Wonder who this reminds me of?
Actually, that boy is one of the street kids in St. Denis! And he'll lead you into a trap where you will be robbed by a big crew! (that's not repeating charactermodells, that's a dramatic turnout xD) Holy sh*t it's totally resembling John Marston. I mean: John Marston, Mark Johnson... It's so obvious!!!
On one play through, I shot the wife to see if there was any specific dialog, and oh boy, it felt awful. At one point, when taking him to jail, I think I even said "it was for science" out loud while he was on the back of the horse calling me a monster.
When they started chasing I turned around to shoot and ended up in that ravine where the little bridge was. I flipped on dead eye just in time for 2 of them to run straight into the side of the bridge and go flying over me 😂😂
It's very interesting to see the obvious duality between John Marston & Mark Johnson, and then notice the comment section's willingness to condemn one but not the other. Like don't get me wrong I'm not saying anyone is wrong for having no qualms about bringing in Mark, I just find it funny that most of those same people will condemn Ross for doing the same a decade later at the end of RDR1. Really shows how much you're willing to overlook when you like a person.
You can always do it and free him at the hanging by shooting the rope prior to the lever being pulled. It'll make you wanted instantly, but there's actually unique dialogue for it not shown in this clip - Arthur (and I presume John too) tells him to run and take care of his boy
@@خمسدقائقدعوية In real life reality not too worth it. We save a fugitive because feel pity on his family, but the lawmen killed there also have one too. But it's just a game, so yes, it's worth it. We can see interesting scene.
I remember i was fast travelling from and back to rhodes so i can get the scene of his execution just to save him- only to realize i couldn't reach for my gun so i couldn't save him in the very last moment as i wanted. After quick restart i never got this event ever again, so it seems by accident i served myself something i gave o'driscolls few chapters later.
I set him free after hog tying him and his family ran into the woods and he followed. I followed them until i realized i actually did need to catch him cause he was saying the dialogue that he was supposed to say when you're picking him up lmao. I also never had to fight his gang cause Arthur's already said the dialogue of him breaking his neck when i recaptured him for some reason.
It’s not that sad when you soon realize he planned on escaping anyway. I didn’t feel so bad after his first (his gang tried to bully me to let him go) and second (he untied himself and tried to run away) attempts failed.
i didnt knew he would call others to ambush you. when i did this, i immediately lassoed him without answering accept or decline. i felt bad the whole ride back to the sheriff. so i had to look this one up. thank you
I always wondered why people with that kinda bounty hang and don't a chance to pay it or (for some honor or a side-story) have the player pay the bounty on their behalf. Like Arthur shoots up Valentine and Strawberry, gets $100 bounty and gets to spend a night in jail. Logic much.
I just hogtied him & then his wife. And throw her in the water tried to killed the son but game doesn't allow don't know why. When i came back to take him to police for bounty. He told me karma will get back to you & the next mission arthur got to know about his death (tuberculosis) 😢. After that i not did a single unnecessary bad thing & only help everyone
I shot his wife and hogtied him and was there to see his hanging and all I can remember is his goofy ass voice when he saw that I was there to witness his hanging "he killed mah woman." Thst was probably the most evil thing I've ever done in a video game, but God damn, his voice was hilarious. If John can't get away with it, neither can this guy, I said at the time
It's one thing to randomly murder travelers and townspeople, but rdr2 showed me I don't have the heart to be evil. These missions really test your ability to be cold and heartless. I finished the game with high honor because even in a game, I didn't have the capacity for abject cruelty.
Weird thing with this bounty. If you have the encounter where his friends try and rescue him and then go back and kill his wife, Johnson doesn't say anything and the kid doesn't react to it at all
Yepp.. I did once.. The moment he got hang.. Shoot the rope.. It will free him and he will some hw in a way thank u and run.. But the heat will be on u.. And loss of honor
i plan on saving him from his hanging. i think if u dont try to help, then ur just a hypocrite if u believe john should be free without helping this man in a similar situation
Did this again recently and since I couldn't let him go nor walk away I waited until the hanging and shot the cops/rope. It's kinda funny as Sheriff Thomas needs to be alive for the story but...screw it, the deputy can give Sadie the Del Lobo bounty missions, the Mark was trying to find redemption if you just let him be or let him pay off the dang $25 lol.
I tried to leave em be tbh, but the mission failed 😔 But it's alright in the end. If you go back to where you deliver him, you can save him from execution and he lives (though costs you honor).
He has his son get his outlaw gang to ambush you, what’s so sad about this mission? It’s like Johns story if John was self righteous and still running with Dutch in RDR1.
The saddest part is how this bounty mirrors John's arc. Shows an alternative way his story would end
That and considering Mark Johnson kind of sounds like John Marston with just the first letters swapped
@@josiahmeece3381 Jark Mohnson
@@k_nito7954 I was thinking John Markson… I see the problem now…
I mean his name is Literally John Marston swapped around
@@vladimirrashkovsky6274 literally look at the first few replies and see the error
I tried to let this guy go but it failed the mission on me. Then I lost sympathy for him when the rest of his gang ambushes you. ez $25.
Lol literally the same thing happened to me , I felt bad for him because he reminded me of John and his family 🤦🏾♂️
@@joesmith7304 they should've let us free him
@@getsugaallen6612 definitely I tried to and when I failed I avoided it as longs as I could until I had nothing left to do but the last bounties 🤣
aurthur murdered an entire town to save micah.
@@tomalong786 😂 that's insane thinking about it
2:06 if you pay attention closely he tried to reach for his gun. Must be his habit of defending himself from bounty hunters.
ok
Just noticed it and went to see if anyone else saw it. You got a keen eye friend.
I just notice that, what a detail thanks mate
Crazy
Yeah, could be instinct, muscle memory since it’s during the Old West and everyone was almost armed so it was common.
This guy is literally John, fell from a robbing gang of outlaws and criminals, got a farm, worked the land and redeemed himself, all until the past catches up with John in Rdr1
That's the point ithink Mark Johnson is very similar to John Marston
@@tylerna22 Mar John == John Mar
To be fair, we don’t know if this guy redeemed himself. Just that he retired from crime. That’s not the same as redeeming. You have to earn redempion, doing enough good deeds to counterbalance all the crimes and murders. A criminal that for years took advantage of his crimes and than just stopped May have changed, but didn’t redeemed himself.
While john, after all he did for the govern (ne supposing that the player didn’t made him do plenty of crimes meanwhile), DID actucally eran his pardon (and was betrayed anyway by the govern)
I cut the rope
@@marcorizzoni9766 plus you literally get pulled up on by his gang if you bring him in. I don’t think he’s changed he’s jus manipulative
he reached for his gun at first...realised it wasnt there
I farted 🚶♂️💨
@@imweird.6147 Grow up loser.
@@smallville316619 Poopy head!!!!
@@smallville316619 Loser head!!!!
@@smallville316619 I don't like you.
All that for a $25 bounty, meanwhile im worth a minimum $600 in multiple counties 😂
😂😂😂
That's just how it is, holding conversation with the sheriff discussing the henious crime of a bounty worth 50$, meanwhile when I put the psycho mask I do things that have put me well over 500 in the whole map.
I’m wanted for 1300 in strawberry 😭
Im literally wanted for around $10,000
oh wait you meant in game
@@lapizite7879 FBI : stay where you are we are coming to Florida to get you
The moment I realized how JOHNson was practically John, I simply rode away, but then the game said the mission failed. Then I just completed the mission with a heavy heart.
Rockstar knew what they were doing
Swap the names you get John Markson. Sounds pretty much like John Marston.
The game tells you it must be end that way. Just like John
You can save him. He gets executed and you can save him from the gallows. There is extra dialogue after it.
@@aaronaaron2405 he still dies later on you can find his body in saint Denis
Strange man gets his due
@@Mcsnickers_7 damn....
His name Mark Johnson even sounds similar to John Marston
carl johnson too
If u rearrange the letters and add a T u get “john marston”
Except he was more stupid.
Same amount of letters in the name too
If it weren’t for John joining the Van Der Linde Gang, this is probably how things would’ve turned out. Goes to show that despite all of the bad; The gang gave John a good shot at a family that this poor guy never got.
Arthur, Sadie & Charles were the ones who gave John a good shot at a family.
The Pinkertons gave him even more of a 'shot' or shots to be precised
@@da1uheardabt And how did Arthur, Sadie and Charles survive, exactly? Oh. Right. By joining the Dutch Van Der Linde Gang.
@@123Mathzak hah. Survive...
John joined the gang when he was real young. Like 13 or so. This was John's fate because he joined the van Der linde gang.
1:40 come on man you can’t be mean to Alden he’s the best
for real Alden and his cousin are true homies
Give good easy jobs with good money.
We have to girl who was in my your own home you face.
@@imweird.6147 what?
Can’t be mean to a sensitive man 😢
The animations on his family are hilariously derpy
That kids being molested by his mom in the first one lol
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I did feel bad for the first guy. But the moment he started to whisper in his son’s ear, I knew he was gonna try and escape.
Me as well. His peacefulness made me think it was being too easy to be true. As I expected, I wasn't wrong (which is why I went all the way with the Lancaster rifle in the hand, though I had to store it to pick up Johnson and, therefore, I couldn't return fire inmediately when I was ambushed).
The way I see it, I can't be that upset about his outcome if he is deceptive in trying to escape and has a group of people with itchy trigger fingers. I have a feeling he wanted to change but did not
To be honest, Arthur's gang is worse lol
@@GKPB they're pretty bad yeah, but to take advantage of someone despite saying you've changed is pretty bad. At least Dutch and co. Are honest about how bad they are still
@@NovidProkteps just compare that guy's 25$ bounty over Arthur's lol, that by itself should tell enough
One thing I’ve learned is that you can’t change yourself when you’re surrounded by the same influences you’re trying to escape from.
@@GKPB $25 was a hefty price in the 1890s. Today, it would be just under a $900 bounty.
not sure how is it sad. this man literally ask his son to get his men to kill you. He tried to escape despite claiming he will come peacefully. When you throw him in jail, he hope your past will not catch up to you. He was not all willingly to come with you. He would have shoot you if he had guns.
He asked his son to remembered the moment he was tied up, not because he want his son to learn from his mistake for committing crime. He want his son to learn from not getting caught.
Yeah, what kind of bastard tries to escape being PUT TO DEATH through deception? I personally make a habit of pulling the trigger of any gun pointed at me. That's the honourable way!
That's why I don't let he talk with his family, then I tied him and shoot his wife
I think it was because he wanted his son to hold contempt for arther so he would try to get revenge
Then you should think that John's story is not sad? It is almost the same story
@@kaliyuga1476 It is literally the opposite with John. He tried to keep his son away from his life. He even died trying to prevent that. Abagail constantly try to keep John away from this life. How in the world are they the same?
Johnson ask his son to get his men to kill Arthur. John ask his son and wife to run away. What are you guys smoking?! I think the story is trying to tell you how two similarly named characters, take two completely opposite decision.
I find it better to play as John for most of the bounty’s in the epilogue as it is canon that John does bounty work to earn money for the ranch and of course it mirrors Johns fate in the future
That's what I do. Save all bounties for John.
@@chriscuts7029 yeah it’s best thing do bro.
It’s canon that John does bounty work to get money for the house
John have his own bounties who can only be played during the epilogue, but I didn't knew he can hunt Arthur's bounties
@@generaldasbananas now I do a few bounty’s as Arthur because he would do anything to make money in the beginning chapters for the gang but as the story progresses I don’t believe he would worry too much about bounty’s
Johns the true bounty Hunter
@@r3idmcread212 I do the Valentine ones, and the one in Saint Denis for the Lemoyne Raider leader as Arthur, and the Strawberry one (Joshua whatshisname, the one you duel), and save the rest for John, I don't feel like Arthur would ever go back to Rhodes after chapter 3, and the Rhodes bounties only spawn in after chapter 3 so I leave those for John, as well as the Tumbleweed ones, Blackwater, and the one for Anthony Foreman if I didn't kill him back in chapter 3
I have not once ever thought of shooting his wife. The fact that they made dialogue for that situation is amazing.
I love this mam wife she is so hot
Wish I could say the same 😂
"hes not much of a bounty hunter"
Arthur casually eats 5 bullets to his face and calmly pointing his crosshair in his enemies head
2:40 the horse be shittin💀💀
THERE IS NO WAY THAT WHEN I TAKE 10 MINUTES TO WRITE A GOOD COMMENT I GET NO LIKES AND I JUST RANDOMLY GOT 107 LIKES
Because, you’re thinking too hard into things, ppl are quite simple minded in general..
I let him talk to his family, tied him up as far away from his family as I could managed, ignored his buddies (they couldn’t keep up or aim), collected the bounty, talked to him, shot his rope free a few days later, he doesn’t understand me, but he forgave me. I paid my bounty off. I netted $20.
Anyone know if you can do this bounty as John in the epilogue?
I think yes..
Wow the goodest man of the west right here
@@fuzzbutt4551 lol. My Arthur is usually broke. So I turned him in for the money. I didn’t want to cause a scene in front of his family. Didn’t feel like wasting my time with his old buddies. But, between his wife’s sobbing and the similarity to John’s story later on, I just couldn’t so lightly rob his family by letting him hang.
I also shot the rope then watched him escape to Saint denis where he was promptly killed by the law there lol
Get a load of this goy. He broketh the algorithm.
There's one outcome missing. If you don't let him say his farewells, does the gang still attack you, since he didn't get time to give his son instructions?
He cuts the rope while you ride towards town and you have to lasso him again.
Nope. If you just lasso him, you don't get attacked. He still slips the rope, but that's all that happens.
You're right
@@samclark9367 actually you get attacked as well, i lasso him he tries to run then his gang comes to attack
Same for me nothing
When I did this bounty, I genuinely felt bad. Goddamn 25 dollars. 25 dollars to ruin a family. It might be the thing i'm a huge softie too lol. I tried to let him go, let him run away with his family. But the mission appeared as failed and i had to redo it. You can't let him go.
EDIT: There are a few things that concern me about the guy actually, and that is how he treats his son. The scene implies that he probably isn't a too good father and would cause some serious issues to the son if he continued acting like that. I think it was for the best he was taken away from the family. Idk the crimes he did nor his background so i can't tell how would i punish him if it was up to me. The mistreatment to his son might also imply that he isn't a good person in general. R* likes giving unclear messages for us to figure out ourselves.
I doubt that if he did some serious crimes other than perhaps stealing a few horses/cattle and/or robbing townfolk he'd only have a bounty of 25 bucks, counting in that the player gets a bounty of 40 dollars for killing someone. That applies just to the player tho and idk how is it with npcs. Afterall the skinnerbrother bounty gives only 80 bucks, and the dude massacred dozens of people. Kinda a fucked system but reasonable for the bounties to not be op.
I think you guys are right. He isn't a good person when we summarize it and I shouldn't feel bad.
Yeah I understand..
what about the hundereds of men and women he killed??
If you robbed a stagecoach or a train before, you know you bound to have had killed someone in the process
He as well ruined many families to be a wanted man, your empathy is for the wrong side my guy
@@バナナお爺さん People don't rob others if they aren't despreate.
@@sebastianschoefl Thats not how that works
He, his wife and son did not get any sympathy from me. Tried to do that whole family goodbye nonsense, just for me to feel bad. Then he sent his goons to rescue him. Screw them! Not falling for their deception.
His wife is genuinely annoying as fuck too lol. Just immediately sells him out. Random stranger walks up to your wanted husband and you go "THEY'RE HERE FOR YOUR BOUNTY!!!!!!!" like, jesus lady, way to sell him out
@@QW-lm1ie Abigail: O_O
I mean would you feel differently, if you replaced Mark with John, and his goons with Arthur, Dutch and Hosea? They’re basically showing us how John is “one of the lucky ones”, and that Mark Johnson is how the story usually ends.
@@123Mathzak These commenters lack self awareness or empathy. All they see is someone lying to them and inconveniencing them, and the immediate emotional reactions is to be upset and dislike that person.
They don't consider the narrative framing being utilized, the parallels to characters they are sympathetic to (like John) or how it would feel to be in that man's situation. Black and white thinking. Reaching a conclusion based on gut reactions and then justifying it after the fact.
@@123Mathzak Considering they'd be trying to kill me to free "John," no, I wouldn't feel much different.
And this is why no other dev studio does things on the level Rockstar does: this kind of attention to detail and variety of outcomes in their games must take a truly mind-boggling amount of time, money and effort to implement. Basically all other open worlds feel lifeless and cookie cutter after playing RDR2.
The moms mouth not moving is freaking me out
Yea man, for sure!
Along with those stares 😆
Their faces are so stupid when you look at them, like they’re trying to guilt trip Arthur 🤣
You can save this guy if you choose to, if you got back to rhodes a couple days after catching him you can see the hanging and you can save him there.
They catch him still
@Zawgatron310 yeah idk if that's his Canon end or if that's just his npc pathing
If You Follow Him He Goes To Saint Dennis And Is Killed On Sight By Lawman
This is the only bounty mission, that i don't do Even after i beat the game, i just can't let that child being a half orphan
Lmao weak ass boah. Just got that mission done & he'll be a full orphan 4th playthrough in a row...
Lmao I shot his mom so he’s 100% an orphan in my game
@JBT he was making a stronger person.
@JBT I've been in an abusive family, that is not abuse.
Would pushing a 12-15 year old in football practice be abusive? I mean it's really not much different on what's going on here
@JBT well I respectively disagree but that's the beauty of the internet. Differing opinions
Hope you are having a good day 😊
If they hang a man with the price of $25, how on earth did Hosea talk me free with the price of $650?
Hosea has his ways
If you go around the bridge he won’t jump and his friends won’t attack you
I let him speak to the boy, but his friends never showed up. I think i was so fast of getting him back on the horse that they simply weren't able to get to me. I had maxed out arabian so maybe they just don't get to you in time. During my first playthrough they appeared slightly after i got him back on the horse and shot them is they were chasing me. The guy was yelling "NO!" and "Oh god" from the back as i killed them 1 by 1.
I don't really have sympathy for this guy, he started a family and either then robbed one or more trains, or after he had done so. Then he kept up with his buddies in the event he needed them to kill for him, because they're killers, and he is too. Then he involves his son in the attempted murder of any bounty hunter that came for him, using deception to play on their good will, this is after he's pushed his son to continue trying to mount a horse he's clearly not big enough for... for hours, which is not the biggest of his sins, but it shows what kind of father he is.
And on top of all this, _he's_ _a_ _racist_
While I wish he could have redeemed himself, he didn't even come close, let alone to be forgiven.
Never done this bounty. Does he have racist dialogue that isn't in this video?
@@noah-xt9tx I mean other than him being a Lemoyne Raider or talking positively about his time in a white supremacist antebellum south gang? I mean the vibes are a bit off otherwise but I think being part of a white supremacist gang does it.
@andrewryan8507How is it odd that dutch isnt racist
He was making his son be a man it's the old west
Oh yeah. Instead of saying good bye to his family he whispered in his son's ear by telling him to let know his doormats to ambush Arthur while they were on their way to Rhode's sheriff. Well thought. Too bad for him it didn't work for they were deal with the legend of the east Arthur Morgan! And he would say to Arthur "I'm a changed man"
You forgot the scene where you shoot his son instead, and he gives you the best "NOOOO!" ever.
??? You can't do that.
@@AshwinY I need to re-download RdR2 again. I could have sworn that you're able to shoot both the wife and son, and he pretty much cusses you out until his buddies show up to spring him. I might be conflating two different missions though.
I think you're mixing up the drunk and abusive debtor near the Lannahechee River with this guy. You can kill the drunks son for sure
Honestly I felt bad but at the same time I just thought about the people he likely killed in the Stage and Train robberies and then I didn't feel as bad.
Arthur does the same exact thing
I laughed at the sad story. When I saw this game try to pull my heartstrings after all the stuff it put me through I just went:
"SHUT UP,GET ON MY HORSE! 25$ IS 25$! I'D HAVE DONE IT FOR 5!"
Based
One reason it's the saddest is you SHOT the dude's wife. You made up for it though by pistol-whipping the sheriff and his men at the end.
What if he shot the son...
@@sitsia3808 you can't. I tried 😂 maybe dynamite?
@@englishharry594 nah kids are immortal in red dead, and most games actually. Betcha they're mods that turn it off though💀💀
@@RyansFine nah I know but that kid is like a teenager so wasn't sure 😄
@@RyansFine This is one of the first mods I installed in the game. I went to town on the little shits in Saint Denis with incendiary ammo
I actually turned and walked away, even heard the Mom say "He's giving us clemancy!", and then after a few more steps, I failed the mission.
So, with no choice, I took him with me....only to get ambushed, I was like "YOU SON OF A BITCH! I WAS GONNA LET YOU GO!"
I wish you could leave them alone without failing the mission
If you go back through Rhodes later in the game, he is actually hung in front of the town and the Sheriff states you can't outrun blood
Can you save him?
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LOL, In the video Arthur manages to get a bounty on himself that's larger than the one on the guy he went after.
" you could've gotten your neck broke... prematurely" lmao i never noticed he saId that before
did not know that it was possible to kill his wife, he thought the mission would fail
I tried to kill the kid and it failed me
I felt so bad for this guy as he was willingly turning himself in to me. The halfway to the cell and he has three guys ambush me. Let's just say we had a swim in the nearby river for that one....
Was part of an old gang, now lives a comfortable and regular life with his wife and son, former criminal. If you switch his name around you get John Markson. Wonder who this reminds me of?
His gang ambushes you right after you arrest him. He aint a changed man, he still runs with his gang. No mercy from me.
3:03 This looks so unrealistic, that whole scene was weird and freaky at the same time. Puppet heads ..
Actually, that boy is one of the street kids in St. Denis! And he'll lead you into a trap where you will be robbed by a big crew! (that's not repeating charactermodells, that's a dramatic turnout xD)
Holy sh*t it's totally resembling John Marston. I mean: John Marston, Mark Johnson... It's so obvious!!!
“Bounty’s and bounty mister don’t take it so personal.” As he shot his wife.
The dad and sometimes the mom be acting like kratos, “Boi”
On one play through, I shot the wife to see if there was any specific dialog, and oh boy, it felt awful. At one point, when taking him to jail, I think I even said "it was for science" out loud while he was on the back of the horse calling me a monster.
For my part Mark Johnson's friend don't come to me when i accept his request...
When they started chasing I turned around to shoot and ended up in that ravine where the little bridge was. I flipped on dead eye just in time for 2 of them to run straight into the side of the bridge and go flying over me 😂😂
Fun fact. Mark johnson (MJ). John Marston (JM). Initial reverted. Mirrored situations how JM fate will be 🤷🏻♂️
It's very interesting to see the obvious duality between John Marston & Mark Johnson, and then notice the comment section's willingness to condemn one but not the other.
Like don't get me wrong I'm not saying anyone is wrong for having no qualms about bringing in Mark, I just find it funny that most of those same people will condemn Ross for doing the same a decade later at the end of RDR1.
Really shows how much you're willing to overlook when you like a person.
He still doesn’t get a happy ending if you save him from a hanging….he rides off to Saint Denis if you follow him and he gets executed there
This is the one mission I couldn’t do. I just can’t.
You can always do it and free him at the hanging by shooting the rope prior to the lever being pulled. It'll make you wanted instantly, but there's actually unique dialogue for it not shown in this clip - Arthur (and I presume John too) tells him to run and take care of his boy
@@Jovenfeliz killing the Sherif and executioneer just to save one life 😅
@@Eza_yuta worth it
@@خمسدقائقدعوية In real life reality not too worth it. We save a fugitive because feel pity on his family, but the lawmen killed there also have one too. But it's just a game, so yes, it's worth it. We can see interesting scene.
I have no sympathy for him after he had his guys jump me
I remember i was fast travelling from and back to rhodes so i can get the scene of his execution just to save him- only to realize i couldn't reach for my gun so i couldn't save him in the very last moment as i wanted.
After quick restart i never got this event ever again, so it seems by accident i served myself something i gave o'driscolls few chapters later.
What do you mean you couldn't reach for your gun?
I set him free after hog tying him and his family ran into the woods and he followed. I followed them until i realized i actually did need to catch him cause he was saying the dialogue that he was supposed to say when you're picking him up lmao. I also never had to fight his gang cause Arthur's already said the dialogue of him breaking his neck when i recaptured him for some reason.
It’s not that sad when you soon realize he planned on escaping anyway. I didn’t feel so bad after his first (his gang tried to bully me to let him go) and second (he untied himself and tried to run away) attempts failed.
Only issue i had in this mission is you can't shoot the kid, can't ruin a family if there's none right?
YOU CANT? WHY
@@Wolf-sh9ze game marks as essential, just like how you cant aim at your allies
“You might not see him again”
*starts smirking*
Well i Shot his wifee sooooo yeah😈
Mark Johnson
John Marston
uncanny.
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@@kuvxwbmas62 John Mark
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Mark's wife's voice actress did a great job on her lines, I have to say... but Jesus! those expressions screwed me up the whole scene lmao
i didnt knew he would call others to ambush you. when i did this, i immediately lassoed him without answering accept or decline. i felt bad the whole ride back to the sheriff. so i had to look this one up. thank you
At 3:05 she looks like she is laghing while she is possessed
I always wondered why people with that kinda bounty hang and don't a chance to pay it or (for some honor or a side-story) have the player pay the bounty on their behalf. Like Arthur shoots up Valentine and Strawberry, gets $100 bounty and gets to spend a night in jail. Logic much.
Pretty sure that's just suspension of disbelief for gameplay purposes
It's a game bro. Most people don't survive getting shot
@Luke Morgan so what if it's a game? That doesn't excuse the game mechanics having a hole like that
If you ask Alden about Mark Johnson Alden says that he killed his other son so don’t feel bad for this guy
John marston
Mark Johson
The mirror of these two, even in their end
why does the wife look like the woman from chicken run
I don't get the people who think his decision was dumb or selfish. It's the same thing the gang would've done for Arthur if he was caught
WTF starts crying at 3:32 ?! Anyone else hear that ?
at 6 minutes 29 seconds is just pure skum with capital letters
8:03 so fucking satisfying to see him hit the chair as he falls
I just hogtied him & then his wife. And throw her in the water tried to killed the son but game doesn't allow don't know why. When i came back to take him to police for bounty. He told me karma will get back to you & the next mission arthur got to know about his death (tuberculosis) 😢.
After that i not did a single unnecessary bad thing & only help everyone
Bruh I’ve finished this game 3x i never know about this mission
its bounty hunter mission in chapter 4
Same here 🤔
I let him say goodbye to his family but when his friends showed up I just booked it so I didn't have to kill anyone lol
John marston Easter egg
I shot his wife and hogtied him and was there to see his hanging and all I can remember is his goofy ass voice when he saw that I was there to witness his hanging "he killed mah woman." Thst was probably the most evil thing I've ever done in a video game, but God damn, his voice was hilarious. If John can't get away with it, neither can this guy, I said at the time
It's one thing to randomly murder travelers and townspeople, but rdr2 showed me I don't have the heart to be evil. These missions really test your ability to be cold and heartless. I finished the game with high honor because even in a game, I didn't have the capacity for abject cruelty.
Weird thing with this bounty. If you have the encounter where his friends try and rescue him and then go back and kill his wife, Johnson doesn't say anything and the kid doesn't react to it at all
So wait, what did he do?
Checkout his hanging scene.. You'll know.. Link in the description
I put him on my temporary horse while I ride the main one. And I cut straight through the woods to Rhodes, guess his gang couldn't find me then😂
He's a bad egg, fancy that
For 25 bucks to destroy a family 😅,that’s why gonna need a trainer sometime
Thanks for this. Is there a way to just free him!
No..
@@AshwinY what if you shoot the rope during the hanging?
@@AshwinY Damn. That sucks 😔
Yepp.. I did once.. The moment he got hang.. Shoot the rope.. It will free him and he will some hw in a way thank u and run.. But the heat will be on u.. And loss of honor
I felt sorry for this bastard until he did that nasty stuff
i plan on saving him from his hanging. i think if u dont try to help, then ur just a hypocrite if u believe john should be free without helping this man in a similar situation
I shot the rope at the hanging. First the sheriff killed him, at a later try he ran away with a thanks, after i shot all the lawmen.
I tried to let this dude go ! Then I get ambushed by his Gang on the way back to prison , 😅
This mission is so hard to do
8:24 best ending
😂😂😂😂
I tied up the wife and son and threw them both in the lake. Mr. Johnson was very unhappy with me.
2:42 the horse be poopin while all the family drama is happening lol
Did this again recently and since I couldn't let him go nor walk away I waited until the hanging and shot the cops/rope.
It's kinda funny as Sheriff Thomas needs to be alive for the story but...screw it, the deputy can give Sadie the Del Lobo bounty missions, the Mark was trying to find redemption if you just let him be or let him pay off the dang $25 lol.
Ooooh his wife is creepy. That thousand mile stare, the non-moving mouth when she talks.
I tried to leave em be tbh, but the mission failed 😔
But it's alright in the end. If you go back to where you deliver him, you can save him from execution and he lives (though costs you honor).
Only for a few miles he gets killed in Saint denis by the law
I once tried to let him go free after confronting him but the game gave me a game over screen because of it
This is so sad😢
killed his wife as he was hogtied and was walking away to have a low honor he went. "No, she didn't deserve that," and then told his son to run away
Shooting the wife was nasty but the son ran like a coward and didn't even look back .
Why can't I kill the boy?
He has his son get his outlaw gang to ambush you, what’s so sad about this mission? It’s like Johns story if John was self righteous and still running with Dutch in RDR1.