Man , That shop is my wonderland of Heavenly machining and equipment 😮! Been retired from tool and die maker for over twenty years now and oh boy that's a sweet place. Bravo,Bravo.
It’s cool to see these big shops and their fancy machines, but my dream shop is the one I have. It’s small enough that I can run it myself and my overhead is low enough that I don’t kill myself looking for work. I’m sure it’s challenging work for someone who figures out the CAM and sets up the machines, but the guy running 4 machines is basically a robot. I see people asking how they can compete with a shop like this. It’s pretty simple, don’t. These are multi-million dollar businesses. It’s like saying you want to start your own cellphone company. There’s plenty of non-fancy machining out there to do. Get decent at welding, buy a used Prototrak mill and an older name brand lathe with a good sized spindle bore. Get good at drilling out broken bolts and putting in heli-coils. Once your name gets out there you’ll have more work than you can handle.
I'm a self admitted hater of the overly automated way some shops run. The push to take away all human error in leu of profit stacking has left us with few and far between actual passionate machinists. Ones who care about, and more importantly understand, the relationship between the man, the tool, and the metal. And not just the manual guys either.
@@FuriousGeorge_67 Automation allows for competitivity though, otherwise we'd be making everything out in china if we didn't reduce manual labor needs
Great Tour! It would be great if you guys could get a gimbal for the camera and focus more on the machines and the parts, rather than the people having the conversation! There were some cool things we only got glimpses of instead of whole shots!
Thank you for sharing the tour! Seeing the complexity of this manufacturing plant, it speaks volumes how powerful Proshop ERP is. But I'd love to see more footage of the shop.
I wanna see the (assumingly ridiculous) macro program that is controlling the infinite pallet pool tied to 6 simultaneous machining centers (and what sounds like automated CMM as well, which could add automated offsetting through even more macro, not to mention tool life management and probing in the machine). Some days I feel like a great engineer and programmer, and then I see absolute genius at work and get humble real quick.
Pretty amazing to say the least. Makes me really appreciate all the foresight and planning while keeping the main shop floor going. Trying to build a new shop of my own and just the machine location takes a lot of thought. Let alone all the electrical and everything else involved. Thank You for the tour. Awesome
15 minutes in...the cell with the big brain...that is amazing. Imagining as a sole-proprietor shop owner myself now, upgrading and setting myself up a work cell like that would be incredible! Nice vids brother, stay well!
@user-kp6ee6wv1b the cost of the machines is the lowest cost, for sure. Imagine the power bill, property taxes, shipping costs, each employee costs (wages+insurance+socialsecurity) as much as a Makino A82 every 5 years once you factor in the HR overhead if you have more than 50 employees.
Nothing new. We have two systems like this and I prefer individual machines over those with fms. A simple coolant leak will shut down the whole system and you're down until it's repaired. I don't care who you buy from, many of their parts are in Japan and you're 3 days out minimum. If your company is like mine and wants to keep machines longer than 5 years, it can turn into a problem.
i run a makino a81 cell ( 16 pallets) in a hydraulics factory and there software system of controlling pallets is elite! best of the best! beautiful shop ⚙️
Yeah that's a shop that is most likely not a independent shop that you can be a single owner of. That's a corporation with a lot of investors who are the owners. I'd be happy with a small shop with a few mills and lathes . Just so id own shop but I would still be programming and doing setups. So I'd be on the shop floor just as much as I'd be in my office.
We used to call the grouping of machines to reduce WIP, Group Technology or "GT". Back in the day the largest shop I saw was MTD and they were grouping old and new machines together to reduce WIP.
This is an excellent video. Truly mind blowing. For smaller machining businesses: how do you compete with this type of “magic shop”? It has obviously better technology, better labor force and more money to invest. How can a basic shop handle this type of competition?
Thank you very much for checking it out! Personally, while I don't have any shops truly on this scale around my little shop, we still have some that you could use a comparison - and I do my best to not even look at them as competition. Frankly, I know they don't look at us as competition. We try to focus on more niche work and close working relationships with the customer base we have, and try to focus on shorter run or quick turnaround work for very very local companies (meaning within a mile and a half radius). We do the kinds of stuff that isn't worth it to them, and it works out for everyone I think. I do however truly hope I can look at these aspirational shops as 'competition' someday - that would mean we're doing something right - but until then, they're just fantastic inspiration!
True. It was an inspirational shop! Thank you for the wonderful tour! I am looking for a machine shop to buy and have been hearing some old school shops having to go out of business and this is partly heartbreaking and partly concerning with these high tech companies in mind. It's mainly because they couldn't keep up or they didn't want to invest in 4 axis, multi palette equipment... But anyways.. maybe I should look at them as examples to be like and not threats.@@iansandusky417
A friend who owned a motorcycle race team and parts manufacturing company said ya make money when ya come in runner-up to one your customers, and go back with an empty trailer and lots of work orders for your products!
Thanks for the informative contents and the efforts, but unfortunately 90% of the time was focusing on two guys talking and the shaky footages make it uncomfortable to watch. For example from 10:30 to 10:40 of fast spinning blurry footages, only 2 seconds were relatively steady to the machines. It now feels like an interview with Bryan instead of a 88000 sq ft facility tour. Having a stabilizer and using more steady wide shots may help a lot. 👍
Any alleged grown-up male that wears a baseball cap backward cannot be taken seriously. If you interview someone and ask them a question let them answer the question without you interrupting them, it is called common courtesy obviously something you were never taught. I guarantee you they know much more about the subject than you do and you can't learn anything when you are talking.
Hey can i train from your shop ? , im presently an engineer (Bachelor's in technology in Electrical and electronics engineering in india from PES university - NIRF 64 ) i wanna be able to take a closer look at your shop !
What can I do to convince you to ditch the hat and wear a shirt with a collar. If you showed up for an interview dressed like that do you think they would hire you?
Automation definitely kills jobs don’t let this guy try to fool you, automation is literally designed to minimize the amount workers while producing more. Does it create some jobs sure but never the amount that it kills as you see in this shop 1 operator per 4 machines. He even said he’s still gonna automate even with his relationship with trade schools that tells you he has no interest in hiring more people he wants to eliminate as many jobs as possible. I’ve installed a variety of automation equipment from conveyor systems to industrial machinery to say it doesn’t kill jobs is a fallacy.
Employees are a burden to every company if they could lights out the whole facility they would. Former Dana Corporation employee from the 80's to 00's and that plant I worked at had several automatic press lines and one had 4 presses and 4 employee's vs 15 employee's on a manual line of the same size. Human labor is the most unreliable part of production.
Delusional thinking. There are no more machinists. There are only machine operators. Mindless drone work, loading, and unloading machines. What's the future in that? I would recommend taking a look at the US Bureau of Labor Statistics for the future job outlook on machinists before you make up your mind. It's over people.
@@Joe.O_623 You are delusional. Who do you think has to setup and program all the automation & CNC's. A machinist. automation removes the need for a machinist to also be an operator.
Man , That shop is my wonderland of Heavenly machining and equipment 😮! Been retired from tool and die maker for over twenty years now and oh boy that's a sweet place. Bravo,Bravo.
A good many shop owners would love to be able to have an expert level guy part time and can be flexible....just sayin' if you get bored out there!
OMG kinded wish that video kept going. Great job my both. This kind of manufacturing is what keeps this country GREAT.
It’s cool to see these big shops and their fancy machines, but my dream shop is the one I have. It’s small enough that I can run it myself and my overhead is low enough that I don’t kill myself looking for work. I’m sure it’s challenging work for someone who figures out the CAM and sets up the machines, but the guy running 4 machines is basically a robot. I see people asking how they can compete with a shop like this. It’s pretty simple, don’t. These are multi-million dollar businesses. It’s like saying you want to start your own cellphone company. There’s plenty of non-fancy machining out there to do. Get decent at welding, buy a used Prototrak mill and an older name brand lathe with a good sized spindle bore. Get good at drilling out broken bolts and putting in heli-coils. Once your name gets out there you’ll have more work than you can handle.
Well said man. When you get big like these guys you don’t do what you love. You just become a manager.
I'm a self admitted hater of the overly automated way some shops run. The push to take away all human error in leu of profit stacking has left us with few and far between actual passionate machinists. Ones who care about, and more importantly understand, the relationship between the man, the tool, and the metal. And not just the manual guys either.
@@FuriousGeorge_67 Automation allows for competitivity though, otherwise we'd be making everything out in china if we didn't reduce manual labor needs
BORING! the future is now old man, a used mill turn will set up back 100k and get you millions of dollars of work over 5 years
I studied CNC Machining right down the street from this place...Awesome stuff
American manufacturing prowess. ❤
Aided by Swiss and Japanese machines.
Great Tour!
It would be great if you guys could get a gimbal for the camera and focus more on the machines and the parts, rather than the people having the conversation! There were some cool things we only got glimpses of instead of whole shots!
Thank you for sharing the tour!
Seeing the complexity of this manufacturing plant, it speaks volumes how powerful Proshop ERP is.
But I'd love to see more footage of the shop.
Lovely shop tour. Would like to see more tours like this.
Most amazing shop I've ever seen!
I wanna see the (assumingly ridiculous) macro program that is controlling the infinite pallet pool tied to 6 simultaneous machining centers (and what sounds like automated CMM as well, which could add automated offsetting through even more macro, not to mention tool life management and probing in the machine). Some days I feel like a great engineer and programmer, and then I see absolute genius at work and get humble real quick.
Pretty amazing to say the least. Makes me really appreciate all the foresight and planning while keeping the main shop floor going. Trying to build a new shop of my own and just the machine location takes a lot of thought. Let alone all the electrical and everything else involved. Thank You for the tour. Awesome
15 minutes in...the cell with the big brain...that is amazing. Imagining as a sole-proprietor shop owner myself now, upgrading and setting myself up a work cell like that would be incredible! Nice vids brother, stay well!
Thank you very much for checking it out!
@user-kp6ee6wv1b the cost of the machines is the lowest cost, for sure. Imagine the power bill, property taxes, shipping costs, each employee costs (wages+insurance+socialsecurity) as much as a Makino A82 every 5 years once you factor in the HR overhead if you have more than 50 employees.
Nothing new. We have two systems like this and I prefer individual machines over those with fms. A simple coolant leak will shut down the whole system and you're down until it's repaired. I don't care who you buy from, many of their parts are in Japan and you're 3 days out minimum. If your company is like mine and wants to keep machines longer than 5 years, it can turn into a problem.
i run a makino a81 cell ( 16 pallets) in a hydraulics factory and there software system of controlling pallets is elite! best of the best! beautiful shop ⚙️
Excellent example of perfect machine shop
And then you ended up in Monroe, NC. Lol talk about two drastically different levels of machining and production. It was cool to meet you.
Yates is the genius that made Ford a racing powerhouse.
Great tour, so clean.
Thank you very much for checking it out - and I agree! I felt like I should almost take off my shoes before walking in there, incredible!
A very interesting FMS cell, this will be the contract manufacturing standards for future
Very impressive and you don’t get better than a YASDA.
Didn't know Yasda had hydrostatic ways. Thought it was just box ways.
Yeah that's a shop that is most likely not a independent shop that you can be a single owner of. That's a corporation with a lot of investors who are the owners. I'd be happy with a small shop with a few mills and lathes . Just so id own shop but I would still be programming and doing setups. So I'd be on the shop floor just as much as I'd be in my office.
One can only hope all the efficiency allows them to pay their employees more than an average salary 🤞🏼
Yes!! When I heard each guy runs 4 machines while im over here only running one😂 I'm good where I'm at lol
the way they are prematurely defending automation tells me they have a guilty conscience
What a nice shop tour, very interesting to have a look at that. I would like to see more of those kind of tours. Greetings from Germany.
Thank you very much for checking it out!
We used to call the grouping of machines to reduce WIP, Group Technology or "GT".
Back in the day the largest shop I saw was MTD and they were grouping old and new machines together to reduce WIP.
Awesome shop 🙌
This is an excellent video. Truly mind blowing.
For smaller machining businesses: how do you compete with this type of “magic shop”? It has obviously better technology, better labor force and more money to invest. How can a basic shop handle this type of competition?
Thank you very much for checking it out! Personally, while I don't have any shops truly on this scale around my little shop, we still have some that you could use a comparison - and I do my best to not even look at them as competition. Frankly, I know they don't look at us as competition. We try to focus on more niche work and close working relationships with the customer base we have, and try to focus on shorter run or quick turnaround work for very very local companies (meaning within a mile and a half radius). We do the kinds of stuff that isn't worth it to them, and it works out for everyone I think.
I do however truly hope I can look at these aspirational shops as 'competition' someday - that would mean we're doing something right - but until then, they're just fantastic inspiration!
True. It was an inspirational shop! Thank you for the wonderful tour!
I am looking for a machine shop to buy and have been hearing some old school shops having to go out of business and this is partly heartbreaking and partly concerning with these high tech companies in mind. It's mainly because they couldn't keep up or they didn't want to invest in 4 axis, multi palette equipment... But anyways.. maybe I should look at them as examples to be like and not threats.@@iansandusky417
Makes sense. They wouldn't take smaller jobs when the cost per job is that high.
@@iggie8144
Great video!!! UNBELIEVABLE shop.
Also, how tall are you!??
Thank you very much for checking it out! I’m only 6’4 haha
1 person running 10 machines, what can go wrong?
A friend who owned a motorcycle race team and parts manufacturing company said ya make money when ya come in runner-up to one your customers, and go back with an empty trailer and lots of work orders for your products!
Daniel Machado - LAF in Brazil
Wow! Not much more you can say.
How do us garage mini mill shoestring operation guys compete with this?? 😂
Would appreciate more camera focusing on what they're talking about and less on watching them talk.
非常好的工厂，他们做什么
To the camera guy pls film more of the machines and less of the 2 talking. thank you.
Thanks for the informative contents and the efforts, but unfortunately 90% of the time was focusing on two guys talking and the shaky footages make it uncomfortable to watch. For example from 10:30 to 10:40 of fast spinning blurry footages, only 2 seconds were relatively steady to the machines. It now feels like an interview with Bryan instead of a 88000 sq ft facility tour. Having a stabilizer and using more steady wide shots may help a lot. 👍
That's badass. I don't get the backwards hat, it kinda doesn't go with precision machining. But that's you.
Yup, agreed, that was a dumb deed.
Show the machines more!
Any alleged grown-up male that wears a baseball cap backward cannot be taken seriously.
If you interview someone and ask them a question let them answer the question without you interrupting them, it is called common courtesy obviously something you were never taught.
I guarantee you they know much more about the subject than you do and you can't learn anything when you are talking.
Hey can i train from your shop ? , im presently an engineer (Bachelor's in technology in Electrical and electronics engineering in india from PES university - NIRF 64 ) i wanna be able to take a closer look at your shop !
Less workers. That’s what America has become
If I hear limited machinist talent “one more time”
There out there. JUST PAY FOR IT
Good machinist aren’t cheap
It would be a damn shame if one of those machine all of a sudden have a busted coolant line.
What can I do to convince you to ditch the hat and wear a shirt with a collar. If you showed up for an interview dressed like that do you think they would hire you?
I shudder to think what that vast machine shop cost, but it kind of makes you hope that it doesn't collaborate with Cyberdyne systems.................
Automation definitely kills jobs don’t let this guy try to fool you, automation is literally designed to minimize the amount workers while producing more. Does it create some jobs sure but never the amount that it kills as you see in this shop 1 operator per 4 machines. He even said he’s still gonna automate even with his relationship with trade schools that tells you he has no interest in hiring more people he wants to eliminate as many jobs as possible. I’ve installed a variety of automation equipment from conveyor systems to industrial machinery to say it doesn’t kill jobs is a fallacy.
Have you ever employed people? It's a nightmare.
@@ryanclarke2161so true.
Employees are a burden to every company if they could lights out the whole facility they would.
Former Dana Corporation employee from the 80's to 00's and that plant I worked at had several automatic press lines and one had 4 presses and 4 employee's vs 15 employee's on a manual line of the same size.
Human labor is the most unreliable part of production.
Turn your hat around be professional!
from all the machines i saw in this video ,maybe 10% are working.good filming otherwise
I'm losing interest in these videos because 90% of the time, the camera is on two guys talking with only quick flashes on the processes and equipment.
All the automation is impressive, but at the same time depressing. Each one of those machines takes away ten jobs. There is no future in machining.
Nah, automation increases the throughput of a given number of employees. Nobody's getting fired !
narrow thinking, automation makes the work machinists do skilled work, not brainless loading / unloading of a machine
Delusional thinking. There are no more machinists. There are only machine operators. Mindless drone work, loading, and unloading machines. What's the future in that? I would recommend taking a look at the US Bureau of Labor Statistics for the future job outlook on machinists before you make up your mind. It's over people.
@@Joe.O_623 You are delusional. Who do you think has to setup and program all the automation & CNC's. A machinist. automation removes the need for a machinist to also be an operator.
@@Denver544xxx Bro, 8th grade kids can use Fusion and Solidworks now...