I always figured Carnivores in the series were almost druidic in their religious beliefs. This would explain why they still hunt other Dinosaurs and Humans despite their intelligence, to the Carnivores, they may see it as their duty to continue to hunt - after all, it is what they are designed to do.
3:41 thats an edaphosaurus in the bottom right which is a synapsid like the dimetrodon and lile the dimetrodon it has been dead long before the dinosaurs emerged
Dinotopia really is a forgotten series, and if we never get more content from it, which is most likely the case, I think we definitely need some more series like it: Humans and sapient Dinosaurs trying to co-exist. With the carnivores specifically, it always bothered my how they were always portrayed as villains unjustly for the simple fact that they ate meat. While all the herbivores are sapient with human intelligence, the carnivores are dumbed down to simple animals trying to survive, but get the villain label slapped onto them because of that. Or when they are made sapient like the herbivores, which is rarely done, they're still usually just either villainous, or are looked over completely.
So the thing they were going for with the carnivores, from my understanding, was that they refused to be a part of the Dinotopian Society, for the most part. Was this due to their predatory nature? Possibly, as I know there was a shorter book about a Giga named Chomper that was raised in society and started to become a problem for that reason. They say something about a pact between the leaf and meat eaters. How the humans can persuade the carnivores to not hunt them with fish offerings. Or how when dinosaurs die they go to the Rainy Basin for the carnivores to eat, saving on grave space and hunting. Still, seems kinda specist to not have theropods showing up in the cities.
Honestly is shame that most dinosaur media is criticized solely on Accuracy nowadays There is a movie called You are Umasou a Anime with a extremely styilized artstyle, they only resemble Their real life counterparts superficially, but the designs Are not a set back for the Movie, the story pacing is quite flawed however the beautiful animation combined with the characters just Overshadows the "flaw" of scientific inaccuracies, the protagonists who is a t rex can literally jump Over a 100 feet in the air and do dropkicks, as if putting the correct amount of feathers would make the story better
@WilliamLovell-oh1rb better yet make the Carcharodontosaurus a ACTUAL land shark Give it the ability to swim on sand and give it a actual shark Fin there you have a new ARK design
Interesting video with some good points. I think the dinosaur-human hybrids are supposed to be analogous to Egyptian gods, not a literal race of people. That's how I always interpreted them, anyway. It is a missed opportunity that they never come up beyond background decoration though. I do think some people in Dinotopia worship them but I could be mistaken. I believe the sauropartners relationships are comparable to dragons and their riders in other fantasy settings. Hiccup and Toothless come to mind. Your idea for a plot addressing the carnivores is a good one, and if the series ever makes a comeback, I would hope James writes something like this.
Oh yeah, I remember Dinotopia. There was a movie in 2002, though I can't even remember the plot... So it must've been mid to bad... And I had a GBA game "Dinotopia - The Timestone Pirates", the controls were complete garbage and I don't think it was related to the movie, but I liked the background music...
The books were an odd one for me as I had read the first book and the one with the pirates. The other books felt odd in the same way that some old DnD realms could be odd, but unique while also having no idea what they should go from there. (the hallow earth with the wizard T-Rex comes to mind that froze entire regions to preserve the cultures and societies that went extinct on the surface comes to mind.) I do remember the Dinotopia movie and TV series... Was a fan of the movie/first one as it got me to read the books. The TV show that came after... Ran into the 'we have no idea what we are doing, but like money' vibe coming from them using ancient wizards and pollution bad because the island folk can't deal with the bad air. This series has had a lot of weird moments. As for anyone asking how non-sentient animals could have arrived on the island... Ships crashing there carrying farm life at X point in story or history.
@@kid9893 It's a bit to loud, or it overwhelms your voice in sections. Bump the music down or vocal audio up. Somewhere between 5-15% Also now that I've watched more, I would say any songs or music you use as background noise. You should use whatever editing software you have and make a version of that song that is all one volume, equalize the whole song. The problem being the song gets louder and softer per its original needs to be good music. While you want something to fill the background and stay in the background.
Cool video. Didn't realize there was such a large world for Dinototpia. The robots just don't fit, guess the writers ran out of good ideas. Not sure what the complaint about the music is about. Not too loud, perhaps chipsndips just doesn't like the melody.
@@MrChipsndips Interesting. not sure what my audio settings are, but I actually didn't realize there even was an audio track until well into the video. That's why I questioned your 'loud' comment.
Utopia is boring and impossible. The thought that ran through my head was that humanity will always produce a monster at some point. No weapons? Someone will make a stone knife or a spear or just use a big rock.
The "feathered" dinosaurs took pop culture by storm but are NOT scientifically accurate. While there MIGHT have been a few dinosaurs with feather-like scales, the vast majority of them did not.
Sorry, but this is scientifically muddled. Yes, many dinosaurs, including non-avian ones, possessed feathers - not "feather-like scales", actual feathers. The successive stages of feather evolution and how they became increasingly more complex, culminating in avians, is very well documented at this point. However, no palaeontologist has ever suggested that all non-avian dinosaurs were fully feathered; that is entirely a misconception born of shoddy reporting and bad media representation. In actuality, it's a nuanced topic. Basically, current thinking is that feathers, or rather proto-feathers (unbranching filaments) are an ancestral condition of Dinosauria. The reason why is not only that species from both sides of the earliest evolutionary split within Dinosauria have been found with feathers (of varying stages), but also that the clade most closely related to them, Pterosauria, possessed homologous filaments (commonly known as pycnofibers). Logic dictates that the last common ancestor of all these groups must have possessed the filaments that would later develop into feathers too. But it gets more complicated, because it turns out that multiple lineages of non-avian dinosaurs secondarily lost their feathers and reverted to scales (or at the very least, greatly reduced the density of their coat so as to be almost invisible). It's not entirely clear what the drivers were in every case, but for the most part it seems to have occurred in large-bodied groups. This makes sense due to the square-cube law as it relates to metabolic rates and heat transfer - larger animals naturally retain more heat due to the increased ratio between their surface area and volume, so extensive heat retaining coats quickly end up being more detrimental than beneficial in warm climates. In summary, making sweeping statements about whether either form of integument is scientifically accurate is farcical. Truth is, it's a highly variable trait. We know for a certainty that some dinosaurs were fully feathered, some were fully scaled, and some were a mix. You have to take it on a case by case basis.
Feathers are likely ancestral to dinosaurs, in fact they're likely ancestral to avemetatarsalia given that pterosaurs are now known to possess feathers. It's likely all smaller dinosaurs possessed them, and even some larger ones. And no, they weren't 'feather-like scales', they were straight up feathers. Keep up with the science on this one.
I always figured Carnivores in the series were almost druidic in their religious beliefs. This would explain why they still hunt other Dinosaurs and Humans despite their intelligence, to the Carnivores, they may see it as their duty to continue to hunt - after all, it is what they are designed to do.
3:41 thats an edaphosaurus in the bottom right which is a synapsid like the dimetrodon and lile the dimetrodon it has been dead long before the dinosaurs emerged
Dinotopia really is a forgotten series, and if we never get more content from it, which is most likely the case, I think we definitely need some more series like it: Humans and sapient Dinosaurs trying to co-exist. With the carnivores specifically, it always bothered my how they were always portrayed as villains unjustly for the simple fact that they ate meat. While all the herbivores are sapient with human intelligence, the carnivores are dumbed down to simple animals trying to survive, but get the villain label slapped onto them because of that. Or when they are made sapient like the herbivores, which is rarely done, they're still usually just either villainous, or are looked over completely.
0:55 the og ark survival and jurassic park and dinosaurs still exist to this day
So the thing they were going for with the carnivores, from my understanding, was that they refused to be a part of the Dinotopian Society, for the most part. Was this due to their predatory nature? Possibly, as I know there was a shorter book about a Giga named Chomper that was raised in society and started to become a problem for that reason.
They say something about a pact between the leaf and meat eaters. How the humans can persuade the carnivores to not hunt them with fish offerings. Or how when dinosaurs die they go to the Rainy Basin for the carnivores to eat, saving on grave space and hunting.
Still, seems kinda specist to not have theropods showing up in the cities.
4:56 its a eurypterid the sea scorpion
6:05 like the triceraton from the ninja turtles
Honestly is shame that most dinosaur media is criticized solely on Accuracy nowadays
There is a movie called You are Umasou a Anime with a extremely styilized artstyle, they only resemble Their real life counterparts superficially, but the designs Are not a set back for the Movie, the story pacing is quite flawed however the beautiful animation combined with the characters just Overshadows the "flaw" of scientific inaccuracies, the protagonists who is a t rex can literally jump Over a 100 feet in the air and do dropkicks, as if putting the correct amount of feathers would make the story better
I agree. I find it even worse when I find people critiquing the accuracy of dinosaurs in fantasy settings too.
@WilliamLovell-oh1rb better yet make the Carcharodontosaurus a ACTUAL land shark
Give it the ability to swim on sand and give it a actual shark Fin there you have a new ARK design
Interesting video with some good points.
I think the dinosaur-human hybrids are supposed to be analogous to Egyptian gods, not a literal race of people. That's how I always interpreted them, anyway. It is a missed opportunity that they never come up beyond background decoration though. I do think some people in Dinotopia worship them but I could be mistaken.
I believe the sauropartners relationships are comparable to dragons and their riders in other fantasy settings. Hiccup and Toothless come to mind.
Your idea for a plot addressing the carnivores is a good one, and if the series ever makes a comeback, I would hope James writes something like this.
It's an interesting setting for sure. It's unfortunate that it never really found solid footing.
I agree completely.
and the movie that came out ages ago didnt do it justice, would be cool of the team who made the latest JP/JW movies would give it a shot
Define sentient but still could work out differnt ways of growing food
How smart are most dinosaurs in the series
They speak, write, and even have philosophical debates about things such as the nature of love and family.
1:26 thats a therizinosaurus and it's a herbivore
Omnivore beacuse they eat meat and veggies
@ mainly veggies, they occasionally ate small animals
@dylansearcy3966 yeah beacuse its really teritorial, if am protoceratops its on his territory, he kill the dinosaur
Oh yeah, I remember Dinotopia.
There was a movie in 2002, though I can't even remember the plot...
So it must've been mid to bad...
And I had a GBA game "Dinotopia - The Timestone Pirates", the controls were complete garbage and I don't think it was related to the movie, but I liked the background music...
8:20 how is that unfortunate
Simple, we all must eat and we all must be eaten. It's how the world works.
The books were an odd one for me as I had read the first book and the one with the pirates.
The other books felt odd in the same way that some old DnD realms could be odd, but unique while also having no idea what they should go from there.
(the hallow earth with the wizard T-Rex comes to mind that froze entire regions to preserve the cultures and societies that went extinct on the surface comes to mind.)
I do remember the Dinotopia movie and TV series... Was a fan of the movie/first one as it got me to read the books.
The TV show that came after... Ran into the 'we have no idea what we are doing, but like money' vibe coming from them using ancient wizards and pollution bad because the island folk can't deal with the bad air.
This series has had a lot of weird moments.
As for anyone asking how non-sentient animals could have arrived on the island... Ships crashing there carrying farm life at X point in story or history.
Dinotopia that is a good story humans and dinosaurs live in waterfall city
I'd like to watch, but that music...
What's wrong with the castle crashers music?
@@kid9893 It's a bit to loud, or it overwhelms your voice in sections. Bump the music down or vocal audio up. Somewhere between 5-15%
Also now that I've watched more, I would say any songs or music you use as background noise. You should use whatever editing software you have and make a version of that song that is all one volume, equalize the whole song. The problem being the song gets louder and softer per its original needs to be good music. While you want something to fill the background and stay in the background.
Too loud init
Cool video. Didn't realize there was such a large world for Dinototpia. The robots just don't fit, guess the writers ran out of good ideas. Not sure what the complaint about the music is about. Not too loud, perhaps chipsndips just doesn't like the melody.
I don't mind the music. It's just too loud to hear what's said
@@MrChipsndips Interesting. not sure what my audio settings are, but I actually didn't realize there even was an audio track until well into the video. That's why I questioned your 'loud' comment.
Utopia is boring and impossible. The thought that ran through my head was that humanity will always produce a monster at some point. No weapons? Someone will make a stone knife or a spear or just use a big rock.
Whats so boring about utopia?
@ No conflict and humans don’t do well in such situations
The "feathered" dinosaurs took pop culture by storm but are NOT scientifically accurate. While there MIGHT have been a few dinosaurs with feather-like scales, the vast majority of them did not.
Sorry, but this is scientifically muddled. Yes, many dinosaurs, including non-avian ones, possessed feathers - not "feather-like scales", actual feathers. The successive stages of feather evolution and how they became increasingly more complex, culminating in avians, is very well documented at this point. However, no palaeontologist has ever suggested that all non-avian dinosaurs were fully feathered; that is entirely a misconception born of shoddy reporting and bad media representation. In actuality, it's a nuanced topic.
Basically, current thinking is that feathers, or rather proto-feathers (unbranching filaments) are an ancestral condition of Dinosauria. The reason why is not only that species from both sides of the earliest evolutionary split within Dinosauria have been found with feathers (of varying stages), but also that the clade most closely related to them, Pterosauria, possessed homologous filaments (commonly known as pycnofibers). Logic dictates that the last common ancestor of all these groups must have possessed the filaments that would later develop into feathers too.
But it gets more complicated, because it turns out that multiple lineages of non-avian dinosaurs secondarily lost their feathers and reverted to scales (or at the very least, greatly reduced the density of their coat so as to be almost invisible). It's not entirely clear what the drivers were in every case, but for the most part it seems to have occurred in large-bodied groups. This makes sense due to the square-cube law as it relates to metabolic rates and heat transfer - larger animals naturally retain more heat due to the increased ratio between their surface area and volume, so extensive heat retaining coats quickly end up being more detrimental than beneficial in warm climates.
In summary, making sweeping statements about whether either form of integument is scientifically accurate is farcical. Truth is, it's a highly variable trait. We know for a certainty that some dinosaurs were fully feathered, some were fully scaled, and some were a mix. You have to take it on a case by case basis.
Feathers are likely ancestral to dinosaurs, in fact they're likely ancestral to avemetatarsalia given that pterosaurs are now known to possess feathers. It's likely all smaller dinosaurs possessed them, and even some larger ones.
And no, they weren't 'feather-like scales', they were straight up feathers.
Keep up with the science on this one.
What kind of "feather-like scale" penetrates the ulna to the point of leaving knobs on the bone?