At least the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park are explicitly told to mostly be made with frog DNA, they are somehow more realistic than the actual animal depictions in this movie
@Manny4Life948 Yep, Plus they Match to the age's dinosaur standard, Og Jurassic park was a love letter to paleontology but modern Jurassic park Is Just dinosaur being cool
I find something extremely ironic in this, this movie came out a year after the first season of Prehistoric Planet premiered, one gives you high quality and well-made designs, and the other tries to sell you dyslexic and malnourished crocodiles and chickens.
Honestly thats an extremely good point. Someone said that the studio talked about bringing in paleontologist to be more accurate, so I don't know what went wrong
@@Deinowharf accurate or not, these designs are very artificial and very unbelievable for the cgi quality they have, lagosuchus literally lacking organs proves that.
@@DireNemesis find it ironic that the Godzilla designs are more appealing to look at then these, I feel like people that use the whole "they aren't meant to look accurate" have no clue what a good design actually is.
I remember watching this movie in the theater and the one thing that stuck with me was when the dinosaur needed help out of the tar pit, and when it gets out it’s immediately jumped, I laughed so hard and I was the only one laughing in the room 💀.
Apparently, if i remember correctly, the Fasolasuchus was a last-minute addition. It actually replaced what was supposed to be a really pissed off Triceratops. The CGI was done for the Trike, but test audiences couldn't accept a herbivore as a villain or even just a territorial dino. That's probably why the replacement looks so odd. Like i said, i remember reading this around the time of the release and even vaguely remember a teaser with the trike charging at Kylo Ren.
I kinda like the Faso in the movie (even if it’s not accurate at all) but having a trike would have been so much cooler, I swear we need a large non-carnivorous dino as the main antagonist of a movie. I think a dino like Therazinsaurs would be a good fit.
I actually really like the idea of having a fasolasuchus or other rauisuchian instead of a dinosaur for once. But that's not what we got, we got a quadrupedal rex.
Prehistoric planet: *releases a year earlier with accurate designs* (is a smash hit everywhere) 65: “hmm, let’s make them malnourished fucking monstrosities 👌🙂” (flops at the box office)
15:16 That's actually, Wrong. Infact this art has been spread as misinformation a lot! The original art belongs to artist, C.M. Kosemen featured in the book, All yesterdays, In a section called all todays, Where they illustrate, Based on old dinosaur reconstructions (Mainly from 80s To 90s) How would these animals look like without an idea of soft tissue or muscle or fur or fat, So no, It's not created by scientists, Nor they believed this is what a baboon looked like. Just pointing that out Still cool vid i guess, I don't think 65 Is a good movie but well-
Not only do the super advanced humanoid aliens not have the medicine to heal their daughter, their healthcare system is so broken, that Adam Driver has to go space trucking to pay for the medical bills. 😵
Really great video and I was super surprised that this channel only has around 600 subs. If you keep up the quality of these videos you are going to blowup and I hope so cause I loved the video. A great combination of easily digestible info/facts and humor.
@SaurLoser You did a great job especially adding the humor at certain points but not too much to the point of ruining the information bits. Keep it up bro
So...Lagosuchus, Fasolasuchus, and pterosaurs are not dinosaurs. The "Quetzalcoatlus" looks the exact same as the Dsungaripterus, so I assum that they are just that. In which case neither of these 3 animals existed in that time or place. Hell...only the T. rex and the presumed Pectinodon are in the correct time and place (the oviraptorosaur would get a pass if it was said to be Anzu and not Oviraptor itself...). Archeologists study ancient human made objects. Paleontology is the study of extinct animals. Troodon is a nomen dubium, for the original material (the single tooth) is not diagnostic. It was a wastebasket taxon for a long time, but since than it was split into multiple genera (one of which is the aforementioned Pectinodon). Ankylosaurs do not have tail-spikes, they have tail clubs, so it is most likely supposed to be a stegosaur tail-spike, which again would be in the wrong time. You could argue for a nodosaur shoulder spike, but the ones that lived at that place and time (Denversaurus) had much shorter spikes. The infectious bite of T. rex is a fringe hypothesis that was based on misconceptions about komodo dragons. Their eyesight is slightly over exaggerated too; the study that it is referencing calculated a wide range for T. rex visual acuity...than the media run with only the highest possible one which the study itself refered to as "unlikely" (and even the original study probably overestimated the eyesize anyway). Poor Dsungaripterus has it's eyes in the wrong hole (antorbital fenestra). And it is still the best and most accurate model in the film. Generally the models look terrible (by that i mean inaccurate af). I don't see "How the Studio Got Them Mostly Right". I see how they got them entirely wrong.
You are awesome! The film absolutely got the time period wrong for most of these animals and the models themselves were not accurate. I beleive they wanted this movie to be more of a monster movie rather than a dinosaur movie. Thank you for pointing out the mistakes or adding info from the video. I like to think I am accurate and concise with my information but I messed up on some stuff I see. It's because of people like you that I can improve my quality. I hope you will be around for my next video so I can see how accurate I was!
@@SaurLoser To be honest, you respond to criticism very well (even if I was a bit harsh). So hats off to you on that. On what they wanted with this movie, I have to disagree. There are?/were interviews with the film makers claiming a modern view on dinosaurs, working with paleontologists and "to be able to transport the audience back exactly 65 million years ago to see...what the dinosaurs looked like...". This is clearly suppose to be our earth at the time of the asteroid impact. Even if it weren't for this, I would still dislike the movie...but with claims like these you invite much more scrutiny. I've also heard that the stupid quadrupedal things ought to be yet undiscovered theropod lineages unknown to science (that hypothetically could have existed)...but that is just as implausible as a late cretaceous Fasolasuchus or Lagosuchus (at least to anyone who knows a just bit about theropod evolution).
@martontoth2063 Yeah, like, if a predatory dinosaur is quadrapedal, it is NOT a theropod as theropods are bipeds. Maybe some undiscovered quadrapedal dinosaur lineages could've once existed that were carnivorous at some point, but not like this.
@@william3100 Not quite. If, hypothetically, there was a theropod lineage that reverted back to quadrupedalism for some reason, they would still be theropods. My issue is that theropod forelimbs would be poorly suited for locomotion, they are quite restricted in range of motion. So if you are a carnivorous theropod that would only hinder your speed and therefore your ability to hunt, or the mobilization of the shoulder would have to precede it (but what would be the environmental pressure for that?). Dinosaur shoulder girdles are less mobile to than those of mammals. Also, dinosaurs are ancestrally bipedal while mammals are quadrupedal. This is why we have a bunch of quadrupedal mammalian predators but no dinosaurs. If you look at dinosauria as a whole, many lineages reverted to quadrupedalism independent of each other, but only herbivorous lineages usually as they increased in body size, where weight bearing and stability became more important than speed. This is because herbivore need large and long guts to digest the plant-material more efficiently, which makes them front heavy; carnivores do not face the same issue. And although the fossil record is patchy, if there was a quadrupedal carnivorous theropod (or non-theropod lineage), we would have surely found at least some evidence for it's existence. And to have one at the end of the cretaceous, we would need an incredibly long ghost lineage. There aren't many carnivorous non-theropods either, and all of them are basal (early) forms of other lineages from the Triassic (since the last common ancestor of all dinosaurs was carnivorous...but also biped), and none of them made it into the Jurassic. The closest thing we have to a quadrupedal carnivorous dinosaur would be early silesaurs like Lewisuchus, that may or may not have been a true dinosaur (specifically basal ornitischian) and may or may not have been quadrupedal. So, yeah, not impossible just highly implausible. And it would be most likely be a basal Triassic non-theropod. One in the late cretaceous? Even more implausible.
Honestly bro I don't have a problem with all the inaccurate stuff. I think too many people get hung up on everything being 100% accurate that they forget to have fun. The movie was fun and I enjoyed it for what it was. Hollywood is gonna do what Hollywood is gonna do and honestly I couldn't care less in this instance. Like I said I thoroughly enjoyed it and I think people should lighten up more when it comes to these types of things.
Many people are probably gonna hate on me for this, but I thoroughly loved this movie. It was just a fun time watching it, the story got me intrigued, it’s currently a huge inspiration for a few of my own productions, and somehow the first raptor jump-scare got me intrigued theaters 💀 The ending got me a bit teary-eyed, too. I do appreciate this movie for what it is. I still do remember when I got into a huge phase for this movie just to figure out what these species were meant to be, (and I also tried finding any behind the scenes footage on the animals or even early concept art, and I still wanna try making 3D models of those things)
I love your passion about this movie! I know I gave a lot of shit for this movie, but I did actually enjoy it. Its awesome that you were inspited by it!
I didnt think of it too much....aliens are stranded on earth, trying to go back. Sure its earth, but i just assumed it was a parallel version of earth where everything was slightly different
This video is really really good but the pronunciation of Quetzalcoatlus at 28:48 and 29:16 really hurt. Good job tho and you earned yourself a subscriber!
65 commits the worst dinosaur movie sin ever. 65 only has 2 living "human" characters in the important segment in the movie. That means this movie won't have any people on the dinosaur's menu. Not even bad dinosaur movies get this wrong. Worst of all, this movie has Rhedosaurus in it. That's not even a real dinosaur.
I know it's rough. One of my favorite movies as a kid was Percy Jackson's King Kong, because of all the cool and horrifying ways people got eaten in that movie
YAY NEW DINOSAUR TH-camR 🎉🎉🎉🎉 I can’t wait for the next one, I don’t know if you have any plans for your future videos but it would be cool to see a breakdown of the dinos in the Weird Birds twitter arg. Its one of the few dinosaur media Ive seen with feathered dinosaurs.
The dinosaur stuck in the tar is quite probably not jakapil despite it's size. Though jakapil was discovered in 2012, it was only described the same year this movie came out. I don't think that's enough time for them to find out about jakapil, model it, animate it and render it for the final movie.
You know I had thought about that while making this. In the behind the scenes for VFX video, the scene with Jackapil was a completely different dino. I think they maybe changed it with VFX last second
@@SaurLoserOrginally it was intended to be a three legged ankylosaurus, then during the production hell this film went trough it changed to a trex anky combo due to test audiences saying they wanted “more carnivores”. Notably in promo material the directors said they were constantly updating eachother on new dinosaur species. So it’s not entirely impossible for it to be a last minute change to Jakapil as well. (Wow i sure am leaving a lot of paragraphs in this comment section)
Yknow, if this movie was smart to use actual scientific accurate dinos with minor artistic touches? Alot of the scenes would actually be really haunting, bone chilling even. Sure the general audience dont really find them "scary", a shame really, but this movie could have showed that by presenting these creatures as actual animals that don't need to look scary to be scary, like we tend to forget that bears are some of the feared and respected animals in nature despite looking like giant fat dog. I mean sure, wouldnt fix the overall quality of the movie, buy hey atleast dinosaurs would be applaudable.
I definitely agree. Instead of treating dinosaurs as an action/ movie monster, i wish some horror elemnts would be thrown in. I saw a clip of a raptor in the dark and the way its eyes glowed creeped me out!
Ok. Well made video but I have some addendums. Your claims of the weird armored theropod that gets murked within half a minute being a Jakapil. While it does resemble it and the filmmakers did say they looked at the latest fossil discoveries, I severely doubt they cared enough to properly depict what it actually was. They probably saw some stupid headline that said "T. REX RELATIVE WITH ARMOR" and just assumed it was that. A T. rex with armor. Given the fact that it was very likely supposed to be a three-legged Ankylosaurus baby that was cut out due to negative test screenings, they probably just needed a quick model replacement and just so happened to see what a Jakapil looked like and thought "well, we're lazy enough, let's just slap a T. rex head on it." And your claims of the four-legged Rex being a Fasolosuchus... There is no evidence of this. The storyboards for the film outright say and depict it as a regular T. rex, so it's probably just supposed to be a four-legged Rex. Speaks volumes about how creative they are that a T. rex with longer arms is scarier than two T. rexes attacking you at once. They may as well have just stuck in Godzilla if they were gonna make up stuff. And honestly, this is just a pedantic point, but the title is a borderline misnomer. It should say "completely wrong." It's very clear the filmmakers did not care about a proper Hell Creek depiction, let alone the Maastrichtian in general, to get them right for their film. Implying otherwise would be misinformation.
I definitely see that with the jackspil! As for fasolosuchous that makes me a bit sad lol. I honestly thought after watching the movie thats what they were going for. As for the title i definitely should go harder next time, i just didnt want to come off as super mean out of the gate. Thank you for sharing some info and i hope you will be around to check out the next video!
@SaurLoser I didn't even realize I ommited whole words in my comment and dared to complain.. 😅 Don't take it to seriously - it's nitpicky stuff for the most part, stuff I'm sure you're actually well aware about but making a video like this just requires so much time and effort that something might slip through sometimes - it certainly would with me.. 😅 I'm happy to support a fresh new paleo channel that I enjoy and look forward to what you will come up with next - all the best and greetings from Berlin (where the world largest sauropod skeleton is fully mounted on display, our iconic _Giraffatitan brancai_ 😎)!
15:15 in case you are not making a joke: This was a thought experiment for the book "All Yesterdays" in which they tried to compare how we reconstruct extinct animals (just slap some muscle and skin on there but keep prominent features of the skeleton visible) to what modern animals and their interiors look like. For that, they reconstructed multiple modern animals the way we would do it with extinct animals. For example, they reconstructed a cow that way, and since it turned out pretty slim, they conclude that it must have been a fast running animal. They are trying to demonstrate that we can't know everything and that it is okay to do more educated speculation. Awesome video btw!
@@NateAtNight17 I just finished the part 1 of your video! Holy shit its sooooooo good. Im overwhelmed by how great it is! Thanks for doing such a good job at telling the story!
Love the video! Just seems that a few things are off, mainly pronunciation of some names like quetzalcoatlus. Also at 32:20 you mentioned scutellosaurus but showed an image of a pachycephalosaurus. Besides that, great video! keep it up
You are awesome, i appreciate you calling out some of the mistakes so I can improve! Also i took like 10 takes with quetzalcoatlus, still stuggled. I hope you will be around for the next one! Im trying to be as accurate as possible
The dinosaur design in 65 was very well done. But the four legged dinosaur prostocucaus I thought they went extinct during the Triassic period. It’s possible they evolved to the Cretaceous period
They supposedly did, but there is some conflicting theories about it due to the lack of fossil evidence. I wish they would have stuck to one time period tho
This video made me appreciate this movie more. While I have a semi-expansive knowledge on dinosaurs, I didn't recognize quite a few species and just assumed that they were made up for the film. But actually learning their real-life counterparts made me want to revisit the movie.
Probably because he is wrong , jakapil for example was released to the public when the movie was ending produxtion and there is no evidence anywere that the final thing is falosuchus
although the first reconstruction of Jackapil was released on August of 2022, I still believe this is Jackapil in the movie. If you look at the behind the scenes of 65 VFX video, The tar scene has a completely different dino in it. I think they VFX'd it in last minute. As for Fasolasuchus, there is no direct evidence from the studio confirming it. However, I think based of it's size and quadrupedal movement they were basing their design off of Fasolasuchus. I love to hear your opinions though!
I’m so glad I have another long form dinosaur video essayist to listen to, I hope this video and your channel blows up. Also you sound a lot like Uncle Dane from TF2 which is a plus in my book.
if you need a handgun to be an effecient club when you run out of ammo get the hi point 45 caliber. its like holding a cast iron skillet that shoots fire then when its empty its a cast iron skillet but more convenient to strike with due to slightly less wind resistence. you can even throw it.
15:15 no that’s a speculative piece of art showing how future people would draw animals of today with limited evidence and not taking into consideration the bulkiness of animals It’s from the book All Yesterdays Also none of the creatures are “mostly right”, every design is butchered into lousy creature designs.
So i've been told! It seems everyone knew that except me lol. And yes I would agree with you, I just didnt want to seem too rude out of the gate. I'm definitely gonna be more critical in the future
This flick was decent IMHO (👍). _Unlike_ much of the paleo-community, I for one don't really mind the 'monster-ification' of the Mesozoic creatures; the way I see it, their designs reflect how Mills and Koa - who _are_ *alien* visitors - see them (if that makes sense).
I definitely took a bit of liberty there, I had narrowed it down between a couple different species. Honestly Dromaesaur would have probably been a slightly better choice, but I decided to go with Pectinodon.
When I first saw this I thought it was going to be a remake of "Planet of Dinosaurs" With your Intro I thought you were referencing "Dino-riders" I disliked there were only two survivors... with their plot armor you know they will live.. would have liked a few more survivors to get eaten by the dinos
Not a great movie but I imagined that the dinosaurs shown weren’t all known species and things like giant enemy quadruped were speculative species that just didnt have any fossil remains.
It's such a novel idea, it's such a shame it sucks ass, it was dull, colorless, and devoid of any charisma. Even if it had accurate dinosaurs, it would have sucked.
I'll never watch this movie because of the way the dinosaurs are depicted. In particular the quadrupedal thing that most people will think is a T-rex on all fours 🙄.
I hate to be negative, especially on someone’s first vid, but was this video written by AI or something? Some segments have really odd wording and there’s a lot of incorrect things in the video, not to mention the complete lack of actually addressing how unbearably innacurate the film 65 is itself. And while it is good to see more people discussing this film I’d recommend working on the structure of the vid. Less stops to talk about random facts that add nothing to the content itself. Other then that, the wonky pronunciations, and the occasional logistical issues with some of the things said, pretty good start
Hey, you are not being negative and I really need feedback to improve. No, this was not written by AI. I am new to script writing so perhaps thats why some of the word choice seems weird. If you could, can you timestamp what you thought was weird? I have been shown some of the things I was incorrect on, and know that I strive to be as accurate as possible going forward. I see that perhaps I was to leinent with the movie, and I should start calling it out more how I see it. As for the structure, I will be expirmenting a bit with what works. I really appreciate your feedback, and I hope you will be around for the next one!
The dinosaur designs in 65 are so inaccurate they make Jurassic Park look 100% accurate.
Atleast jurassic park is accurate to the dinosaur renaissance standards i'll say!
At least the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park are explicitly told to mostly be made with frog DNA, they are somehow more realistic than the actual animal depictions in this movie
@Manny4Life948 Frog DNA shouldn't result in your clones looking like bipedal monitor lizards.
@Manny4Life948 Yep, Plus they Match to the age's dinosaur standard, Og Jurassic park was a love letter to paleontology but modern Jurassic park Is Just dinosaur being cool
For the time jurassic park was made it was 90% acurate
I find something extremely ironic in this, this movie came out a year after the first season of Prehistoric Planet premiered, one gives you high quality and well-made designs, and the other tries to sell you dyslexic and malnourished crocodiles and chickens.
Honestly thats an extremely good point. Someone said that the studio talked about bringing in paleontologist to be more accurate, so I don't know what went wrong
Who cares? This movie clearly wasn’t trying to go for accurate.
@@Deinowharf accurate or not, these designs are very artificial and very unbelievable for the cgi quality they have, lagosuchus literally lacking organs proves that.
@@Deinowharf Go watch godzilla lil bro, dinosaur fans aren't here for monsters.
@@DireNemesis find it ironic that the Godzilla designs are more appealing to look at then these, I feel like people that use the whole "they aren't meant to look accurate" have no clue what a good design actually is.
I remember watching this movie in the theater and the one thing that stuck with me was when the dinosaur needed help out of the tar pit, and when it gets out it’s immediately jumped, I laughed so hard and I was the only one laughing in the room 💀.
Apparently, if i remember correctly, the Fasolasuchus was a last-minute addition. It actually replaced what was supposed to be a really pissed off Triceratops. The CGI was done for the Trike, but test audiences couldn't accept a herbivore as a villain or even just a territorial dino. That's probably why the replacement looks so odd. Like i said, i remember reading this around the time of the release and even vaguely remember a teaser with the trike charging at Kylo Ren.
Yep, multiple people who witnessed the test screenings have said this! It’s a shame how corporate meddling can fuck an entire movie over
Dang thats wild. I wish the studio would have stuck to their guns on the accurate stuff and not just what sells
I kinda like the Faso in the movie (even if it’s not accurate at all) but having a trike would have been so much cooler, I swear we need a large non-carnivorous dino as the main antagonist of a movie. I think a dino like Therazinsaurs would be a good fit.
That's so fucking dumb lmao
I actually really like the idea of having a fasolasuchus or other rauisuchian instead of a dinosaur for once. But that's not what we got, we got a quadrupedal rex.
Prehistoric planet: *releases a year earlier with accurate designs* (is a smash hit everywhere)
65: “hmm, let’s make them malnourished fucking monstrosities 👌🙂” (flops at the box office)
So true lmao
The biggest mistake they did with the Dsungaripterus is plasing their eyes in their nostrils
I didnt even notice!
Just wanted to comment this 🙃
Also some of the Animals he called Dinosaurs, aren't even Dinosaurs
Its true 😔, I need to work on my articulation in the future.
15:16 That's actually, Wrong. Infact this art has been spread as misinformation a lot!
The original art belongs to artist, C.M. Kosemen featured in the book, All yesterdays, In a section called all todays, Where they illustrate, Based on old dinosaur reconstructions (Mainly from 80s To 90s) How would these animals look like without an idea of soft tissue or muscle or fur or fat, So no, It's not created by scientists, Nor they believed this is what a baboon looked like.
Just pointing that out
Still cool vid i guess, I don't think 65 Is a good movie but well-
Thank you, you know I was thinking about if the art actually was real or a myth. Its awesome that i finally know now. I appreciate you lol
@@SaurLoser You're welcome man, Glad to inform on stuff!
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Not only do the super advanced humanoid aliens not have the medicine to heal their daughter, their healthcare system is so broken, that Adam Driver has to go space trucking to pay for the medical bills. 😵
They mastered space travel but can’t even cure tuberculosis?
I’d struggle to say this is a dinosaur movie
Really great video and I was super surprised that this channel only has around 600 subs. If you keep up the quality of these videos you are going to blowup and I hope so cause I loved the video. A great combination of easily digestible info/facts and humor.
I really, really appreciate it! Comments like yours make all the effort worth it!
@SaurLoser You did a great job especially adding the humor at certain points but not too much to the point of ruining the information bits. Keep it up bro
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So...Lagosuchus, Fasolasuchus, and pterosaurs are not dinosaurs. The "Quetzalcoatlus" looks the exact same as the Dsungaripterus, so I assum that they are just that. In which case neither of these 3 animals existed in that time or place. Hell...only the T. rex and the presumed Pectinodon are in the correct time and place (the oviraptorosaur would get a pass if it was said to be Anzu and not Oviraptor itself...).
Archeologists study ancient human made objects. Paleontology is the study of extinct animals.
Troodon is a nomen dubium, for the original material (the single tooth) is not diagnostic. It was a wastebasket taxon for a long time, but since than it was split into multiple genera (one of which is the aforementioned Pectinodon).
Ankylosaurs do not have tail-spikes, they have tail clubs, so it is most likely supposed to be a stegosaur tail-spike, which again would be in the wrong time. You could argue for a nodosaur shoulder spike, but the ones that lived at that place and time (Denversaurus) had much shorter spikes.
The infectious bite of T. rex is a fringe hypothesis that was based on misconceptions about komodo dragons. Their eyesight is slightly over exaggerated too; the study that it is referencing calculated a wide range for T. rex visual acuity...than the media run with only the highest possible one which the study itself refered to as "unlikely" (and even the original study probably overestimated the eyesize anyway).
Poor Dsungaripterus has it's eyes in the wrong hole (antorbital fenestra). And it is still the best and most accurate model in the film. Generally the models look terrible (by that i mean inaccurate af).
I don't see "How the Studio Got Them Mostly Right". I see how they got them entirely wrong.
You are awesome! The film absolutely got the time period wrong for most of these animals and the models themselves were not accurate. I beleive they wanted this movie to be more of a monster movie rather than a dinosaur movie. Thank you for pointing out the mistakes or adding info from the video. I like to think I am accurate and concise with my information but I messed up on some stuff I see. It's because of people like you that I can improve my quality. I hope you will be around for my next video so I can see how accurate I was!
@@SaurLoser To be honest, you respond to criticism very well (even if I was a bit harsh). So hats off to you on that.
On what they wanted with this movie, I have to disagree. There are?/were interviews with the film makers claiming a modern view on dinosaurs, working with paleontologists and "to be able to transport the audience back exactly 65 million years ago to see...what the dinosaurs looked like...". This is clearly suppose to be our earth at the time of the asteroid impact. Even if it weren't for this, I would still dislike the movie...but with claims like these you invite much more scrutiny.
I've also heard that the stupid quadrupedal things ought to be yet undiscovered theropod lineages unknown to science (that hypothetically could have existed)...but that is just as implausible as a late cretaceous Fasolasuchus or Lagosuchus (at least to anyone who knows a just bit about theropod evolution).
@martontoth2063 Yeah, like, if a predatory dinosaur is quadrapedal, it is NOT a theropod as theropods are bipeds.
Maybe some undiscovered quadrapedal dinosaur lineages could've once existed that were carnivorous at some point, but not like this.
@@william3100 Not quite. If, hypothetically, there was a theropod lineage that reverted back to quadrupedalism for some reason, they would still be theropods. My issue is that theropod forelimbs would be poorly suited for locomotion, they are quite restricted in range of motion. So if you are a carnivorous theropod that would only hinder your speed and therefore your ability to hunt, or the mobilization of the shoulder would have to precede it (but what would be the environmental pressure for that?).
Dinosaur shoulder girdles are less mobile to than those of mammals. Also, dinosaurs are ancestrally bipedal while mammals are quadrupedal. This is why we have a bunch of quadrupedal mammalian predators but no dinosaurs.
If you look at dinosauria as a whole, many lineages reverted to quadrupedalism independent of each other, but only herbivorous lineages usually as they increased in body size, where weight bearing and stability became more important than speed. This is because herbivore need large and long guts to digest the plant-material more efficiently, which makes them front heavy; carnivores do not face the same issue.
And although the fossil record is patchy, if there was a quadrupedal carnivorous theropod (or non-theropod lineage), we would have surely found at least some evidence for it's existence. And to have one at the end of the cretaceous, we would need an incredibly long ghost lineage.
There aren't many carnivorous non-theropods either, and all of them are basal (early) forms of other lineages from the Triassic (since the last common ancestor of all dinosaurs was carnivorous...but also biped), and none of them made it into the Jurassic.
The closest thing we have to a quadrupedal carnivorous dinosaur would be early silesaurs like Lewisuchus, that may or may not have been a true dinosaur (specifically basal ornitischian) and may or may not have been quadrupedal.
So, yeah, not impossible just highly implausible. And it would be most likely be a basal Triassic non-theropod. One in the late cretaceous? Even more implausible.
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Honestly bro I don't have a problem with all the inaccurate stuff. I think too many people get hung up on everything being 100% accurate that they forget to have fun. The movie was fun and I enjoyed it for what it was. Hollywood is gonna do what Hollywood is gonna do and honestly I couldn't care less in this instance. Like I said I thoroughly enjoyed it and I think people should lighten up more when it comes to these types of things.
Thats a great attitude to have about it! I will say i also enjoyed the movie, just felt like I had to point some stuff out lol
I didn’t think this film was that bad tbh, I just wish there was more character development for Mills and Koa.
I didnt hate this movie, it was a fun ride honestly
Really good video bro. Youre gonna blow up
Thanks you! I really appreciate you taking the time to say that!
Many people are probably gonna hate on me for this, but I thoroughly loved this movie. It was just a fun time watching it, the story got me intrigued, it’s currently a huge inspiration for a few of my own productions, and somehow the first raptor jump-scare got me intrigued theaters 💀
The ending got me a bit teary-eyed, too. I do appreciate this movie for what it is. I still do remember when I got into a huge phase for this movie just to figure out what these species were meant to be, (and I also tried finding any behind the scenes footage on the animals or even early concept art, and I still wanna try making 3D models of those things)
I love your passion about this movie! I know I gave a lot of shit for this movie, but I did actually enjoy it. Its awesome that you were inspited by it!
High production value, funny, and dinosaur related? Instant subscribe bro, keep up the great work, can't wait to see more from you dude!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it
I didnt think of it too much....aliens are stranded on earth, trying to go back. Sure its earth, but i just assumed it was a parallel version of earth where everything was slightly different
I can totally see that, it fits with the the movie
@@SaurLoser and I honestly liked the more lizardy take with these dinos imo
This video is really really good but the pronunciation of Quetzalcoatlus at 28:48 and 29:16 really hurt. Good job tho and you earned yourself a subscriber!
Haha thanks, I had to do like 10 takes for Quetzalcoatlus and never felt like I got it right! I hope you like the next one!
It’s a horrible video, what are you talking about?????
@SanRafaelSwell what makes you think its horrible? Im open to criticism
@ a lot is factually incorrect. Others have already addressed it.
@SaurLoser Came here to say this hahaha
Try this
Ketz-ah-coh
-at-uh-lus @SaurLoser
65 commits the worst dinosaur movie sin ever. 65 only has 2 living "human" characters in the important segment in the movie.
That means this movie won't have any people on the dinosaur's menu.
Not even bad dinosaur movies get this wrong. Worst of all, this movie has Rhedosaurus in it. That's not even a real dinosaur.
I know it's rough. One of my favorite movies as a kid was Percy Jackson's King Kong, because of all the cool and horrifying ways people got eaten in that movie
I went to watch your other videos and it's just this! Hopefully you make more soon. Good video
That's so awesome to hear! I'm already working on the next one so I hope you enjoy it when it's finished!
@Idk-e9l9h bot my ass
did not expect this to be a small channel, honestly really entertaining video, keep up the great work! you've already gotten my sub
@@Hobster64 thank you so much! I really appreciate it
YAY NEW DINOSAUR TH-camR 🎉🎉🎉🎉 I can’t wait for the next one, I don’t know if you have any plans for your future videos but it would be cool to see a breakdown of the dinos in the Weird Birds twitter arg. Its one of the few dinosaur media Ive seen with feathered dinosaurs.
Hey thanks! Im currently working on The Dinosaur project but i'll do your reccomendation next!
@@SaurLoser Oh my god I love The Dinosaur Project, cant wait!
cool video dude, you don't feel like a small youtuber, keep it up!
Thank you! I really appreciate it
the first jumpscare had made me actually scream when i was watching it in the cinemas
The dinosaur stuck in the tar is quite probably not jakapil despite it's size. Though jakapil was discovered in 2012, it was only described the same year this movie came out. I don't think that's enough time for them to find out about jakapil, model it, animate it and render it for the final movie.
You know I had thought about that while making this. In the behind the scenes for VFX video, the scene with Jackapil was a completely different dino. I think they maybe changed it with VFX last second
@@SaurLoserOrginally it was intended to be a three legged ankylosaurus, then during the production hell this film went trough it changed to a trex anky combo due to test audiences saying they wanted “more carnivores”. Notably in promo material the directors said they were constantly updating eachother on new dinosaur species. So it’s not entirely impossible for it to be a last minute change to Jakapil as well.
(Wow i sure am leaving a lot of paragraphs in this comment section)
Im glad I know now! Also you are 100% right about it having a trex head thing. I just double checked and like wow its so bad
Where have you been bro. This is good stuff. Better than cinema sins
I really appreciate it! that's high praise and I hope my future content lives up to your expectations!
Yknow, if this movie was smart to use actual scientific accurate dinos with minor artistic touches? Alot of the scenes would actually be really haunting, bone chilling even. Sure the general audience dont really find them "scary", a shame really, but this movie could have showed that by presenting these creatures as actual animals that don't need to look scary to be scary, like we tend to forget that bears are some of the feared and respected animals in nature despite looking like giant fat dog.
I mean sure, wouldnt fix the overall quality of the movie, buy hey atleast dinosaurs would be applaudable.
I definitely agree. Instead of treating dinosaurs as an action/ movie monster, i wish some horror elemnts would be thrown in. I saw a clip of a raptor in the dark and the way its eyes glowed creeped me out!
Elite commentary not just pooping on the movie earned my sub 😭💯
@@AAC1714 i really appreciate it!
I actually like this movie.
Adam driver is a really solid actor, its story is nothing unique but its good.
ark taught me that if you knock a dino out all you have to do is feed it and it will wake up loving you. Its easy
Ok.
Well made video but I have some addendums.
Your claims of the weird armored theropod that gets murked within half a minute being a Jakapil. While it does resemble it and the filmmakers did say they looked at the latest fossil discoveries, I severely doubt they cared enough to properly depict what it actually was. They probably saw some stupid headline that said "T. REX RELATIVE WITH ARMOR" and just assumed it was that. A T. rex with armor. Given the fact that it was very likely supposed to be a three-legged Ankylosaurus baby that was cut out due to negative test screenings, they probably just needed a quick model replacement and just so happened to see what a Jakapil looked like and thought "well, we're lazy enough, let's just slap a T. rex head on it."
And your claims of the four-legged Rex being a Fasolosuchus... There is no evidence of this. The storyboards for the film outright say and depict it as a regular T. rex, so it's probably just supposed to be a four-legged Rex. Speaks volumes about how creative they are that a T. rex with longer arms is scarier than two T. rexes attacking you at once. They may as well have just stuck in Godzilla if they were gonna make up stuff.
And honestly, this is just a pedantic point, but the title is a borderline misnomer. It should say "completely wrong." It's very clear the filmmakers did not care about a proper Hell Creek depiction, let alone the Maastrichtian in general, to get them right for their film. Implying otherwise would be misinformation.
I definitely see that with the jackspil! As for fasolosuchous that makes me a bit sad lol. I honestly thought after watching the movie thats what they were going for. As for the title i definitely should go harder next time, i just didnt want to come off as super mean out of the gate. Thank you for sharing some info and i hope you will be around to check out the next video!
Dang banger right off the bat keep it up
Thank you so much!
@SaurLoser you're welcome
I swear I remember seeing a mammoth skeleton in the geothermal area Kylo comes across near the beginning
I keep hearing that! I think that maybe they had one in a trailer or promo videos? When I look back at the movie I can't see it
You could be a little more careful with how certain terms such as _'subspecies'_ - but I still enjoyed your video very much and had to subscribe.
I appreciate it! Im going to strive to be as articulate and accurate as possible in all my videos going forward. I hope you will be around to see
@SaurLoser I didn't even realize I ommited whole words in my comment and dared to complain.. 😅
Don't take it to seriously - it's nitpicky stuff for the most part, stuff I'm sure you're actually well aware about but making a video like this just requires so much time and effort that something might slip through sometimes - it certainly would with me.. 😅
I'm happy to support a fresh new paleo channel that I enjoy and look forward to what you will come up with next - all the best and greetings from Berlin (where the world largest sauropod skeleton is fully mounted on display, our iconic _Giraffatitan brancai_ 😎)!
Awesome! I hope one day I can come and see it in person!
@Idk-e9l9h Oh the irony.
Words have meanings btw.
Great stuff man i cant wait to see what other dino media you cover.
Thank you I really appreciate it! I'm already working on the next one
This video is garbage, you’re delusional.
I want more, keep it up man!
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I'm working on the next one already
Even though the dinosaurs are inaccurate, I still like them! Pretty cool
I have to admit, they are pretty dope
A HIGH QUALITY VID AND A NEW YTUBER!? OH YEAH WE SUBING 🗣🗣🔥🔥
Awesome! Thank you so much!
15:12 That's completely false. It's fictional.
Very true, as others have told me
Great video, love the editing.
Thank you! I hope you like the next one too!
Really nice first video for your new channel. We subbing
Thank you so much!
15:15 in case you are not making a joke: This was a thought experiment for the book "All Yesterdays" in which they tried to compare how we reconstruct extinct animals (just slap some muscle and skin on there but keep prominent features of the skeleton visible) to what modern animals and their interiors look like. For that, they reconstructed multiple modern animals the way we would do it with extinct animals. For example, they reconstructed a cow that way, and since it turned out pretty slim, they conclude that it must have been a fast running animal. They are trying to demonstrate that we can't know everything and that it is okay to do more educated speculation.
Awesome video btw!
Yea i messed up on that one, thank you for letting me know!
Wow ! Please make more like this 🦖🦕
Thank you! I hope you like the next one!
Keep up the good work my friend!
@@NateAtNight17 thank you so much! I hope you enjoy the next one as well
@@SaurLoser I'm sure I will. We should talk WeirdBirds sometime, I get the feeling you might want to get involved ;)
Lets do it!
@@NateAtNight17 I just finished the part 1 of your video! Holy shit its sooooooo good. Im overwhelmed by how great it is! Thanks for doing such a good job at telling the story!
@@SaurLoser if you want to do a react video to these, you are welcome to! If you are interested, we can do some collabing
Love the video! Just seems that a few things are off, mainly pronunciation of some names like quetzalcoatlus. Also at 32:20 you mentioned scutellosaurus but showed an image of a pachycephalosaurus. Besides that, great video! keep it up
You are awesome, i appreciate you calling out some of the mistakes so I can improve! Also i took like 10 takes with quetzalcoatlus, still stuggled. I hope you will be around for the next one! Im trying to be as accurate as possible
@@SaurLoserfor future reference, it’s pronounced “coo-etz-awl-coo-aut-ole-us”
Thank you homie
Fact: Animals don't really care about gun shots noises, especially in the states. Ducks and other birds are the exceptions
huh, I didnt know that!
The dinosaur design in 65 was very well done. But the four legged dinosaur prostocucaus I thought they went extinct during the Triassic period. It’s possible they evolved to the Cretaceous period
They supposedly did, but there is some conflicting theories about it due to the lack of fossil evidence. I wish they would have stuck to one time period tho
26:24 the only reason why I don't like 65, is because there's no Spinosaurus
I would have loved to see that as well
The creature design already sucked, imagine how butchered Spino would’ve looked
Very true
The baboon depiction I think was from a book that illustrates what animals would look like if aliens tried to recreate them
Yes it is, I was bamboozled.
This video made me appreciate this movie more. While I have a semi-expansive knowledge on dinosaurs, I didn't recognize quite a few species and just assumed that they were made up for the film. But actually learning their real-life counterparts made me want to revisit the movie.
Probably because he is wrong , jakapil for example was released to the public when the movie was ending produxtion and there is no evidence anywere that the final thing is falosuchus
although the first reconstruction of Jackapil was released on August of 2022, I still believe this is Jackapil in the movie. If you look at the behind the scenes of 65 VFX video, The tar scene has a completely different dino in it. I think they VFX'd it in last minute. As for Fasolasuchus, there is no direct evidence from the studio confirming it. However, I think based of it's size and quadrupedal movement they were basing their design off of Fasolasuchus. I love to hear your opinions though!
if Carnivores: Dinosaur Hunter was a movie
I’m so glad I have another long form dinosaur video essayist to listen to, I hope this video and your channel blows up.
Also you sound a lot like Uncle Dane from TF2 which is a plus in my book.
I really really appreciate it! also, that's a first but I love the comparison
19:17 A tail spike from an anky? I think you meant to say stegosaurus
Yeah, I meant to say shoulder spike from anky. But now that I think about it, a tail spike from a stego would have been the most accurate
Would love to watch more archeology/dinosaur stuff I’m looking into a career for archeology so would love all the info I can get!
Thank you for your support, I hope I can keep you informed and motivated!
One thing I will say about this film is that I did very much like the Fasolasuchus' design, reminded me a lot of Indominus Rex and Indoraptor
It honestly looks atrocious for a fasolasuchus. Looks more like an innacurate T rex with front legs than an innacurate fasolasuchus
@Strayavenator7460 Ok?
@@KingKaiju_76 bro that fckin emoji itmtyoes it whenever I hit backspace
29:35 random Cecilia Immergreen for size comparison
only the most accurate size comparisons on this channel!
New sub !
Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy the future videos I have planned!
Did Kylo Ren just crashlanded on Dagobah?
How the star wars series should have gone lol
This movie would have been way better had they not given away the twist in the trailer.
In the trailer they say the raptor is a Dromaeosaurus also saying Archeoraptor would have been closer
very true, Dromaeosaurus would have been a better choice.
39:23
“Why are you running?”
if you need a handgun to be an effecient club when you run out of ammo get the hi point 45 caliber. its like holding a cast iron skillet that shoots fire then when its empty its a cast iron skillet but more convenient to strike with due to slightly less wind resistence. you can even throw it.
Lol i love it
Great video!
Thank you! I hope you enjoy the next one as well!
If the Astroid hit the moon then most of them will probably either have intelligence or no arms at all anymore
Please make more of these.
I got you, already working on the next one!
Liked the movie but def can see the criticism of it.
🔥 vid
Thank you!
it's a relatively big budget dinosaur movie - idk if the dinosaurs have 6 eyes. I'm happy. (movie was meh for other reasons unfortunately)
9:11 how do u get Parasaurolophus out of this thing
It has a duck billed mouth, with a prominent crest. That narrowed it down for me, so after some research my best guess was Parasaurolophus
Homie, it was certainly not Agness. Agness has like 50 people living in it.
15:15 no that’s a speculative piece of art showing how future people would draw animals of today with limited evidence and not taking into consideration the bulkiness of animals
It’s from the book All Yesterdays
Also none of the creatures are “mostly right”, every design is butchered into lousy creature designs.
So i've been told! It seems everyone knew that except me lol. And yes I would agree with you, I just didnt want to seem too rude out of the gate. I'm definitely gonna be more critical in the future
Rausuchians weren’t dinosaurs btw
Yea i got mixed up, i'm trying to be as articulate as possible and it's something im working on
The logosuchis reminds me a lot about the scorpias rex from jurassic world. Sorry about my spelling.😅
Why was the Oviraptor in the cave?
If there was a giant thasslosuchus outside the Cave, You would be inside the cave too
@@restionSerpentine oooo I didnt thimk about that. You are very right I would be in that mf cave
I love the jakapil and I want one.
Me too! Let me know if you find one...
This flick was decent IMHO (👍). _Unlike_ much of the paleo-community, I for one don't really mind the 'monster-ification' of the Mesozoic creatures; the way I see it, their designs reflect how Mills and Koa - who _are_ *alien* visitors - see them (if that makes sense).
wow that really puts the movie into a new perspective, I gotta watch it again under that light to see how it is.
@@SaurLoser Cool (😎). Yeah, I personally feel a lot of people missed that about this film when it came to the creature designs.
27:19 that's footage of tapejaras not dsungaripterus
Got me there, thanks for pointing this out! Hopefully I can avoid that mistake in the future
FYI - the time code on your video is covering the bottom of your video thumbnail, so it looks like it says "DINOSAUR ANALY". Just sayin lol
LOL, I have to fix that! I don't want people getting the wrong idea lmao
@@SaurLoser No worries. Gave me a chuckle. Great video btw!
Thank you!
@@angelovildasol2325bot
Yeah, no
This movie didn't get anything write, mainly the story
It had so much potential with an accurate dino horror and it blew it
@Strayavenator7460 Yeah, it had the *right* idea but they screwed up literally everything else
@Strayavenator7460it wasn’t going for accurate💀
@@Stumpy-trex and that's the issue
OMFG, he called fasolasuchus a dinosaur!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yea I did, gotta be more careful next time
@@SaurLoserdon’t sweat it that thing doesn’t pass as any creature that ever existed
I kinda thought that raptor specie was either a deinonychus or Dromaeosaur itself
I definitely took a bit of liberty there, I had narrowed it down between a couple different species. Honestly Dromaesaur would have probably been a slightly better choice, but I decided to go with Pectinodon.
@ okay, that’s a fair point
You got a sub just from your username alone
Haha thank you! It took a while to cook that up lol
When I first saw this I thought it was going to be a remake of "Planet of Dinosaurs"
With your Intro I thought you were referencing "Dino-riders"
I disliked there were only two survivors... with their plot armor you know they will live.. would have liked a few more survivors to get eaten by the dinos
most were not dinosaurs they were ancient crocs
Wait isn't this movie called 66? Like order 66
Lol would be funny
This movie definitely wasn't meant to be a 100% accurate documentary on dinosaurs 😂 don't know why you're judging it as if it were one.
Lol, i just had something i wanted to say about it
I always pronounced oviraptor “ovee-raptor” it sounds better to me.
Ima say it like that to myself in the mirror a couple times. If you hear me say it like you do in another video, know its because of you lol
hell yeah that guy happens to be my favorite dinosaur he’s just a very goofy little chicken dude
Same
Fun vid man but could u not use ai images?
hey I appreciate it, what AI images are you referring too? I know some paleo art isn't accurate, but I don't think I used any AI images.
6:10 paleoCENE epoch paleoGENE is the period
Thanks, i'm trying to be as accuarte and articulate as possible. I hope you will be here to see the next one!
Okay i will
Not a great movie but I imagined that the dinosaurs shown weren’t all known species and things like giant enemy quadruped were speculative species that just didnt have any fossil remains.
When you think about the movie like that, it fits a whole lot better
It's such a novel idea, it's such a shame it sucks ass, it was dull, colorless, and devoid of any charisma. Even if it had accurate dinosaurs, it would have sucked.
It had so much potential too I thought it would finally be the accurate dinosaur horror we’ve been waiting for but nope
Kylo Ren caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.... I knew it!!!!
@@_GeneralMechanics_ thats why he joined the dark side!
@SaurLoser Don't give Kathleen Kennedy any more ideas.
@@_GeneralMechanics_ lol, my b
I loooove this movie
32:21 is definitely not a Scutellasaurus
Yes thats true, I totally screwed up on that
Journey 2008 or King Kong 2005 pls
I got you homie, I will be doing both
I think they crashed on earth not a alien planet , they came from another planet and found earth 65 million years ago
you are correct! I was using the term 'alien planet' as if you were kylo ren crashing on earth
The dad is croon reaver
I'll never watch this movie because of the way the dinosaurs are depicted. In particular the quadrupedal thing that most people will think is a T-rex on all fours 🙄.
I know it's so silly
I hate to be negative, especially on someone’s first vid, but was this video written by AI or something? Some segments have really odd wording and there’s a lot of incorrect things in the video, not to mention the complete lack of actually addressing how unbearably innacurate the film 65 is itself. And while it is good to see more people discussing this film I’d recommend working on the structure of the vid. Less stops to talk about random facts that add nothing to the content itself. Other then that, the wonky pronunciations, and the occasional logistical issues with some of the things said, pretty good start
Hey, you are not being negative and I really need feedback to improve. No, this was not written by AI. I am new to script writing so perhaps thats why some of the word choice seems weird. If you could, can you timestamp what you thought was weird? I have been shown some of the things I was incorrect on, and know that I strive to be as accurate as possible going forward. I see that perhaps I was to leinent with the movie, and I should start calling it out more how I see it. As for the structure, I will be expirmenting a bit with what works. I really appreciate your feedback, and I hope you will be around for the next one!