Damn I was hoping the firmware 2.0 would fix this. I just noticed this issue in some of my film tests I did yesterday. Updated the firmware just after. Was really hoping it would be fixed!
My SONY a7C has exactly the same problem, so does Fuji X-T3/4 it just miracle that Gerald didn't notice it there. Very well done. My Sony th-cam.com/video/UGeR7POG3dQ/w-d-xo.html Fuji: th-cam.com/video/EOIPli9y5Ro/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for bringing this up! I immediately tested my Canon R5 C after watching this, and indeed found that it has the same problem. I brought the camera to a Canon service centre nearby and the technician found that their sample unit also behave the same. She said she would report this issue to Canon HQ, but in the meantime there's nothing she can do to help. I really do hope Canon can somehow mitigate this issue because the R5 C really is not cheap.
Really happy you mentioned that! cuz I've ben hearing about it nut didnt get the chance to test it yet! I was in fact planning to buy it as well, but it seems I might just hold back then
they fixed the problem with software on canon r5 having the same problem. There is also a video on the subject. th-cam.com/video/dfenxw0OKbc/w-d-xo.html
Absolutely facinating. I knew about this problem when I was ar NAB. I took my GH6 out to the Vegas strip for 3 nights shooting everything at 2000 ISO VLog. I shot a couple hundred clips all exposed hard to the right but keeping higlights just a hair under cliping. After pixel peeping those couple hundred clips, I found only one single clip that streaked. It was the white Mirage building in the night sky. Even stranger....of the 10 similar shots framed in a similar manner, 9 of them did not streak. It was only one exact angle and exact exposure that triggered it. All the other Vegas strip street shots were prefectly fine. It's strange how random it is for me. Everything I shot was with in-camera noise reduction pulled back to "0"
As i demonstrated, it all depends on the camera settings and the situation you are shooting in. Keep in mind the more lights you have the more streaks will overlap each other and you might end up having a fully lifted image rather than one light streak because it’s just one light source. In other words, if you just put a vertical light tube along the side of your full image, you will not see the streak simply because the streak is literally covering the full image. Hope that makes sense
@@THEDPJOURNEY I shot about 10 files on the street with the White Mirage building in front of the night sky. It’s weird…one specific angle caused perfect streaking. The next file was just me on the same shot, just 20 feel moved over. That same building, same exposure and same night sky had zero artifacts. Moving down the street several more times and that streaking was still gone. I was expecting to see the exact same problem on each shot because each one was only “slightly” different from each other. But no…only one had the problem. And that one that had it?…had it strongly. It’s so arbitrary. I was expecting to see it in many many shots but no,…it’s like rolling a dice. It just happens out of the blue as a matter of chance? Please keep talking about this. I will do further testing myself on this. Spectacular video that you made on this.
@@clifftotten7609 rolling a dice is a perfect analogy, would you roll the dice when it comes to client work? Try this... go in a dark room, and light a couple candles, set it to V-Log ISO 2000 and see what happens
@@THEDPJOURNEY Agreed....yes this is something that concerns me. I'm taking my GH6 to Yellowstone National park in 2 weeks. I'll be shooting 90% daylight shots in VLog on Eagles, Coyotes and lots of bears. Some evening shots on the Hayden valley wolves. I'm certain this kind of outdoor shooting wont show any problems...but Im curious to see. This is 100% personal work. Please keep invistigating this issue. You are on to a super interesting subject with this!
GH6 Owner here: great video, I like how you showcased the problem and explained why it happens, plus showing it on other brands and models, personally I haven't seen that issue in my footage, and I've shot in high DR situations, I was aware of this "issue" before buying my camera but upon getting it and using it In several occasions, I don't feel like it is a big deal to be honest, a lot of cameras with a CMOS sensor have this, it is more pronounce on some but it isn't something that huge IMO, again I can't speak for everyone but as far as my GH6 and my footage, I've haven't experienced it, this might show up in extreme situations, but it hasn't for me. (not defending the camera or anything, it's just my honest opinion)
Yup. Totally agreed. I already made sure it’s very clear that in those specific situations with high contrast such as window setup. Which to me is very limiting to my creative process. I can’t tell my clients:”oh sorry we can’t shoot facing the window because the camera can’t handle it” Again, the GH5 works great. So why are they going backwards now
@@THEDPJOURNEY totally understand, I’ll make some more testings on my own to check if depending on the lens, the streaks are more pronounce or something
@@AndyLSB let me save you time, it's not the lens, that's the first test I did to rule out optical refractions. That's why i said "not suing anamorphic or any lens filters" Again, Panasonic DID acknowledge the problem, they even thanked me for pointing it out. So the problem is there whether you found it or not. You just didn't shoot in the perfect setup that highlights it. Try shooting a candle or a single light source in a dark room in V-Log at ISO 2000
Woah,....I'm a bit obsessed with this issue. I just took out my Sony FX6 and shot some SLog-3 and I got a very similar blooming/streaking using an iPad in a dark room. I have the FX6 set with noise reduction set to "low" and it has the SAME GH6 horizontal banding lines. It's VERY interesting. Not only is the FX6 showing grey banding but the noise itself "runs" and dances sideways with the bands. I swear that I have never noticed this before but not that I'm hunting for it, it's showing up. It's kinda crazy. Can any other FX6 owners test this with a "square" light source like an iPad? *Edit - Yup on my second test, I can absolutely confirm the Sony FX6 is doing this too. It seems to be a certain "ratio" between the light vs. shadow. There seems to be a bell-curve "problem" peak point. When closing and opening the aperture, as the blooming increases, the banding will get stronger. It "peaks" at a certain bight to dark ratio and then "fades" as the light gets more intense. Moving the aperture back again will bring the banding back until it peaks and then recedes again. When it peaks, it's pretty strong. Absolutely fascinating...wow. The Sony FX6 has this too!
@@burritobrosvideos8060 - I didnt use an actual iPad. I used a Tripplteck tablet that has 1000 nitts. I placed it in a dark room with full brightness. I had a large black plastic sheet behind it. I shot in SLog-3 and ramped up the gain step by step. I noticed the artifact peaks at a certain white/black "ratio". It's not there in lower ISO's then appears, then fades away as you go up. There seems to be a certain peak bell curve or "sweet spot" that it lives in. If you are below it or above it, it's only minor. When you hit the gain, it appears. It's odd and fascinating. I swear I never noticed this once until I TRIED looking for it. Now? I can spot it. Bizarre!
@@burritobrosvideos8060 - I might do a video on it, yes. However, you believing it is something that is not necessary for me. If you do, I don't care. If you don't, I stiil don't care. It just doesnt matter to me either way. If you have an FX6, you should be able to see it if your light source is sharp and defined enough. I'm pretty sure that if you do it right and you look,...you WILL see it. But hey, it's totally up to you. ;-)
Hey thanks for this. I am sure it drove down the price of the gh6, which I picked up for 1500 dollars new a few months ago. The 5.7k pro res hq images are terrific. I updated the firmware to 2.1 and have really tried to create your scenarios for streaking. I thought I saw one sort of streak and moved the camera about three inches to the right and it was gone. Then I changed the iso and it was gone. I have shot maybe...200 hours on the gh6...in every lighting condition I can conjure up and--no streaking. I bought the camera thinking this might be a workaround, but now realize it is a non issue, at least for me, and the best friend to those of us who seek maximum image quality at the lowest price possible. I really like the images it produces and look forward to picking it up and shooting every day. I am a former journalist who does not like bs or corporate pitch people, so...my views. I really like your videos. Keep up the good work.
Panasonic confirmed this issue exists in all their cameras, no exception. Not seeing it only means he didn’t use it in the optimal scenario that shows it. Best of luck
After working with this camera for a few weeks, I found a fatal flaw with the footage higher than 60fps. There's a red line though EVERY SINGLE shot. ...and Panasonic won't refund me. They want 2-8 weeks to "fix" it.
just came from your video to check this out! ...what the F man...I was kinda gaining some big respect for this camera despite KNOWING about the AF issues. I recommended this camera to my friend and he almost got it. opted for a blackmagic pocket 4k instead. he'll upgrade to 6k at some point
0:19 Been waiting for a full breakdown of this. I found this in two different copies of the GH6 that I bought. I reached out to mft facebook groups and even the Lumix TH-cam channel and all I got were crickets. They still haven't addressed it. That and a couple other let downs with the GH6 led me to finally switch out. Currently happy with my Sony full-frame setup. Much more expensive but it's definitely worth not dealing with the shortcomings of Panasonic. Thank you for this breakdown!
I've been shooting with mine for over a week now in all sorts of scenarios and never once had this issue. Shooting in 5.7K 24p/60p & C4K 120p 420 10bit internal VLog. I've filmed with bright windows as the only light source in a completely unlit room, exteriors, interiors, etc and never noticed this issue. I wonder if it was a limited run of early cameras or a bad batch of sensors? EDIT** I've also been shooting in ISO 400 (Native) or with DRB at ISO 2000 (Native when using VLOG)
You’re lucky then. The issue is there, a Panasonic did recreate the issue in their labs and that was the reason why you heard influencers like Gerald Undone say they got the camera late. Simply because they were working on a fix. Try to recreate the setup I had and let me know what you get
@@burritobrosvideos8060 You're right, I was able to get it to show by setting it up looking out a bright window and then adjusting exposure until interior was completely dark. Not really a real world scenario haha. In real world use, it's never been an issue. Either buy and enjoy, or worry for nothing and miss out.
Whoa, that's nuts! I just watched a video of someone comparing the Komodo to the R5c and R5, he's switching to the R5c, and he did a dynamic range comparison between the two. The Canons both had this issue fairly badly and the Komodo didn't seem to have it. I was quite thrilled but I will be testing my Komodo to see if I can spot it. I'm hoping not, but I will be comparing to my S1H.
Yeah I did hear about that on the R5C. Haven’t gotten my hands on it. But it seems this is becoming an issue with new cameras for some reason! Pretty weird!
@@THEDPJOURNEY - No the Canon C300 has this issue too. See Micheal the Maven's documented C300 banding/blooming TH-cam videos. My Sony A6500 had in SLog too.
Using an iPad with a bright white .jpg in a dark room...I was able to force this blooming/streaking artifact....but only partially. Now that I have being testing this and delibretly trying to "force" this blooming, I have noticed that I can only get this problem on shots that were unusable to begin with. I could not get the artifact to to appear on well exposed shots. I could not get the artifact to ruin "good" shots. I could only get the blooming/streaking problem to appear in shots that were already really bad to begin with and were already unusable. Does that make sense?
Absolutely, thing is, “cinematic” filmmaking is all about shooting into the light, which is my fav type of look. With that said, most if not all my shots will be destroyed. I didn’t really spend much time trying to force it, it was pretty easy to come by honestly. Not sure why it was very hard for you to recreate it. In the end, if you feel you’re comfortable with that, then it’s all good. Just keep in mind that there’s always a chance for it to ruin your shot. So be careful
@@THEDPJOURNEY - Agreed. Yes,...this is concerning to me and something that I take seriously. Although, my GH6 is intended for Alaska and Montana hiking. I have a large library of grizzly bears and wolves that I created with my GH5. I dont see this ever being a problem in daylight shooting of wildlife. But yes...this blooming/banding issue still wiil certainly still be in the back of my mind. Keep up the excellent work that you do. Im a big fan of your channel!
The issue is not caused the way you have explained it. So let me provide a better one - since I do design cameras. Each sensor has a "optically black" area either on left or both sides of the active picture, shielded from capturing light. As all the pixels of one line are converted simultaneously, next the average of those shielded pixels is subtracted from the active area data. This is called Black Level Correction (BLC) - restoring the black to a digital zero, on each line of the picture individually. The problem occurs when the shielded pixels are locally affected - either by overflowing charge into them from a highlight area, or if a light reflected on specific angle gets under the shield and onto those pixels. Both of this are specific to the design and build of the particular sensor itself. So this then results in artefacts that look like bands, but really its just a grouped FPN issue, as every line may have a different imprecision in black-level correction. PS: I do not know what the DRBOOST is about on technical level.. hate the marketing words without deep explanation. So no idea how that comes into the picture.
Thank you so much for the explanation, it did help me better understand what’s going on under the hood. Of course with that knowledge I would be careful sharing it with other filmmakers, since we are not on that technical level as yours. I was of course just trying to over simplify things, knowing that this will not accurately explain the problem. But as you know it’s just to give an idea rather than go into the science of it. Thanks again for watching and thanks for the clear explanation
Same here… I shot many other test shots and didn’t feel it when the footage is mainly broght. Only in low key shots where you have sharp contrast like the example demonstrated in the episode.
@@egran2150 Great artist do not wait for the perfect tool or instrument, they are that tool or instrument, and will make art with whatever is in reach… There is enough footage in the wild with the GH6 or any of the other cameras with similar sensor types, that show it’s not a hindrance. … …
Great job. I haven't seen this happen in any of my shots, but it is as clear as day in your video. I would love to see the next 2 videos you have planned on the GH6.
Thanks for the info, very in-depth. I am assuming you tried this in version 1.2 of the camera's firmware before posting all of this? I have never come across that issue but am interested to try and recreate it.
Great to have you back, Sherif. Such a shame about these streaks. I'm so in tune with my GH5 and GH5S that a GH6 would have been a logical progression for my aging cams at least from a workflow and ergonomics perspective. I'm amazed the GH5 is still ticking after all we've been through together. Where would you go next if my GH5 bites the dust?
@@THEDPJOURNEY Can you explain the rational of S1H MkII over GH6? This is completely fixable in firmware and clearly the camera is either overcompensating or undercompensating. It is a very bad move to release it in that state, but I am sure it will be fixed in few weeks at most.
Since you are so in tune, why not the underestimated GH5 Mark II… Even if you were to go with the GH6, or any other camera, your workflow would be affected. The GH5II, does have a newer processor (which means firmware updatable), and IQ is shaper, as well as better in lower light. Plus the AF is better too, usable, similar to the S5, but with a smaller sensor it probably is even more effective. Most importantly, the GH5II is cost effective, and you would not need to change much if anything at all related to your process… …
@@RagingShrimp67 I'm hoenstly not very optimistic about being so sure they'll fix it. They literally acknowledged the problem when I first reported it Mid January, and it's been 4 months now and they didnt fix it. Not just that, when they launched the camera, they told me they're ok with the problem as is now. So they might not even be trying to fix it. I hope this episode would add some pressure. it's for our benefit after all what I'm doing here.
Need a sequel on this since it appears to be the same issue present in the new Blackmagic cinema camera 6k FF. Is that maybe the reason you won't review that unit?
@@THEDPJOURNEYcan confirm. It’s way more pronounced on the blackmagic Cinema Camera 6k FF. From my experience it streaks in well lit conditions too( if you’d like I provide some sample footage via email). I’ve had the camera replaced twice and been in contact with blackmagic who provided the same response as Panasonic. Blackmagic told me shooting events is improper use case because it’s a cinema camera so I should be controlling my point of highlight like any cinema camera in a studio set…. Most BS response I’ve ever had with a camera company.
Conclusion: This is not a problem if you use normal color shots. Gh6 problem is a little disappointing but it's Only visible when you have very bright next to very dark high contrast: (i.e. black and white is the worst example of this), and it is worse if you boost contrast and luts. (all Cmos cameras have a little of this). None of the GH6 images I've seen with normal chroma range shows this problem. In this regard the Gh5. Gh5s and Gh5/2 and Pana's Full frames are still highly usable. And so is the GH6 if you don't use luts and high contrast with as shown here. I suggest another test with full color, (with and without luts) will demonstrate a good outcome The three gentlemen referred to in this clip are all very good in this game , including Gerald ; -)
If you don’t have a high contrast shot with mid to dark areas next to it, or super soft overcast look… then you should be relatively ok. But you never know what situation you’d be in on set…mixed with your camera settings. That’s what scares me, the creative restriction
@@THEDPJOURNEY You cant win that kind of talk with a gh6 fanboy ^^ I see so much comments and hypes about the gh6, but in my world its not a very good cam for cinematography. There are better cams i would buy. I have the S1H and love the cam very much. Thats an amazing image. The only thing i hate with the S1H is that i cant change the shutter speed and the exposure together.. ANd the rolling shutter. But the image quality is absolutely amazing like your fx3 and bmpc
There was an update on July 11th of 2023. Did this fix the streaking issue? Glenn Fricker from SpectreSoundStudios found what he calls the "Red line of death" in slow motion. Did you also experience the "Red line of death"?
I didn’t test the latest update actually. Since I’m not suing this camera at all because of the streaking, I didn’t see the red line of death LOL But I did hear about it. Panasonic dropped the ball this time on that sensor unfortunately
Thanks ! Great job ! what I can tell you , in my experience , BMPC 6k pro on iso 1000 when you using full battery (7,4 v and up ) you have less problem but from (7,4- 7,2v ) on iso 1000 start getting more lines .
At 6:12 you talk about the overflow of light to neighbouring pixels. But why does it only leak to neighbouring horizontal pixels and not vertical pixels.
It is related to how rolling shutters work. The sensor is read line by line and there's one set of amplifiers per pixel line and something something. Explained by an engineer friend, but he doesn't specialize in microchips so that's as far as I got.
Another GH6 owner here that has never experienced this. I just went back and looked through a bunch of my footage as well, and couldn't find any examples. Very interesting though, I'll certainly be more aware of this in the future. Sucks that a lot of people will swear of the GH6 forever now because of this video, when probably 99% of them would never experience this, because it is an absolutely amazing camera, and I wouldn't trade it for anything (well, not literally, but anything comparable) .
I guess you're lucky none of the scenes you shot expressed that streaking, I assume they're all morning outdoor shots or just high key shots with no lights shining directly into the sensor. But that does not mean it's not there, it's jut you didn't shoot in the settings and that induce it the most. Panasonic did replicate it in all their cameras and they're confirming it's there, no denial there. So your camera has it and one day you'll be able to see it when shooting in similar kind of high DR scene like the one i featured here
@@THEDPJOURNEY I only shoot in extremely high contrast situations. Bars, nightlife, etc. I can't find any examples of this popping up in my photos. Over 20,000 photos over the last couple months, with about 15,000 of those happening in various high contrast situations. Can't find even one example after scrolling through for the last half hour.
@@THEDPJOURNEY So I was finally able to replicate this today. I did find it to be very lens dependent though. Using a vintage OM lens on a speed booster it was almost impossible to get it - DR boost had to be on, and exposure set for the light outside the window, while the inside was quite dark. The native MFT lenses I tried were the most apparent (25 f1.7, and a 12-50mm f3.5) while the two lenses on the metabones were much more difficult to produce it, but also varied a bit (1980's OM 24 f2.8, and a Tokina 20-35 f2.8). I almost always use the metabones adapted glass, so I'm guessing this is why it's taken so long to see this. Also, I don't know that I'd ever shot inside while exposing for what's out the window - and this time was just testing out lens.
hello Sherif, interesting tests, while you was conducting these, did you encounter even the sensor stitching issue of the V-Raptor (producing a vertical line in the center of the frame) or did RED somehow fixed it?
I honestly didn’t notice it. I own the raptor and already had several commercial shoots with it. I’m also aware of the problem, but couldn’t replicate it
Thanks so much for making this video. I hope it helps to light a fire under Panasonic's rear end and get them to address the issue. However since they have known about it for over 2 firmwares now, I wonder if this is an unfixable hardware issue with the sensor.
AFAIK the issue is already fixed. Either way we'll wait and see, no one is forcing to buy the camera if it's not good enough for their use case. Also comparing AF to streaking shows very poor technical understanding of the topic.
It seems like, that issue does have something to-do with the coatings on the OLPF of glass, which sits in front of the naked Sensor. I remember these things quite well, from my Sony A7. It's coatings caused under special circumstances light reflections interally, which could ruin some pictures.
I've just come across this issue in all sorts of lighting conditions, But I quickly realised, this only occurs in 100 and 120fps. I've never seen it in 60fps or lower.
The video feed on the monitor and the recorded video are on different circuits. The streak will not look as bad in the footage as it is on the the screen, but it’ll still be there
Glad you're back. At $2k the Blackmagic 6k (with a polarizer for this "fix") is still killing it for me. Would I like to have the FX3? Of course but that isn't in the cards....yet.
We've been shooting a lot of outdoors with GH6's since it came out, and are very pleased with it... Never noticed this issue, I guess in real world this is a very rare situation, and Panasonic decided to release the gh6 with this issue hoping it won't get noticed by many...
The issue won’t be clear in high key shots, only when you have a dark setup with a strong light source shining against that dark, like almost all indoor room with a window shot, a concert, etc…
Glad to hear you’re happy with the camera, it’s pretty awesome and full of great features. Panasonic did confirm to me directly that this issue exists in all their cameras, not seeing it does not mean that it doesn’t exist in your unit. You’ll eventually see it sometime when all conditions are right to induce it, hope it won’t be on a shoot for a client
@@THEDPJOURNEY thanks for the information, I really did the test and not seeing the problem I thought my unit would not have the problem, I hope they release an update soon to solve this problem. thank you friend!
Great video. Thank you. How did you make the transition at 3:55 ? Can you screenshot/share the adjustment layer settings or, if you didn't make it from scratch, share where you got it from? Very subtle and beautiful.
As usual, you cover issues that either other people dodge or fail to acknowledge. This was an important video for me. Even though I am happy with my Sony A7iv, I was really impressed with the features of the GH6 and thought about getting it as a second camera. But, after seeing this video, I will not even think about buying the GH6 until they fix this issue. So, I'm not sure if it's worthwhile creating more videos until this is fixed. It's like buying a car that stalls every five miles, and you have to call roadside assistance to get moving again. Thanks for your fantastic content. You really provide a great service to the filmmaking community.
Thank you so much for watching and for your support. I always hope that my videos help and educate beyond the typical hype that’s all about reading specs rather than really checking camera’s actual performance. Thanks again
I had my GH6 for a month now, NEVER had a problem with the horizontal banding, I can hardly notice that. If you are shooting towards a window, you are turning dynamic boost on anyways (actually I use it as default).
@@waynecake5867 Not having encoutered this problem does not mean it doesn't exist. Panasonic confirmed it's there and actually thanked me for pointing it out. You just didn't recreate the perfect scenario and settings that let it manifest that's all. You'll eventually find it, won't be a surprise to you when you do
so what are the ISOs I can shoot with again? Im confused, and sad. I found streaks in night shots, thought it could be from some types of lights...but then I shot daytime outdoors today, and it's all streaked. Iso 250 onwards....
Hey Sherif, Great video my guy. One question though because I am not very technical does the Bayer array have anything to do with this or is it just a design flaw of all CMOS sensors even if we strip away the color filter?
All I know is that it's the CMOS sensor design hat creates those horizontal streaks, bayer is in all CMOS anyway, some have a slightly different pattern than others, but don't think it affects it, CCD sensors create vertical ones BTW.
@@THEDPJOURNEY I was more wondering Bayer vs xtrans but I actually got my answer when I was recording a test shot with my xt-3 where I put a white background on my PC and shot it in a dark room and there was streaking. But I came to the conclusion that there are different types of streaking. There's the light streaking where the streak darkens the area it affects and there's the streak that lightens the area it affects and one is clearly better looking than the other. A streak that comes from a light source that lightens the surrounding could look like an anamorphic lens flare, an unwanted one of course but it is much better than a streak that darkens the area surrounding it which makes no sense from any way you look at it.
Very well done review! Thanks for the information on the GH6. Somewhat concerning for a flagship m4/3 camera. Is this a firmware/profiling issue or sensor hw issue?
this is a HW issue as mentioned across all CMOS sensors. But that can potentially be mitigated to a certain degree with FW. As of now, it's still there.
1 year later, I still love my GH6 and that streaking has happened only in very specific extreme situations when anyways the image would have been crap. So no big issue as this video attempts to make it. This camera is awesome and I still love to use it everyday.
Really happy the streaking is not causing you any issues. It’s a great camera after all, no doubt about it, but me personally, I’d never use it on a commercial set, can’t risk that streaking ruining the client’s shots
@@THEDPJOURNEY It wouldn't because there is probably zero chance you experience it. I think the best situation to test the issue was the total eclipse we had last week. Zero problem. Not seen one sign of it. That's because anyone who can expose well a shot should never run into this very niche issue. I find it a little over the top to talk about "the streaking issue". I've tested mine extensively ever since I've had the camera, in october 2022 and managed to see it once when I was at 25 600 ISO and pushed the exposure to its maximum capacity filming a full moon. Not exactly something I would do if I was filming for a client!
I mean, Panasonic themselves acknowledged this was a problem, and they tried to fix it in many firmware updates till they told me it will never be fully fixed. Calling it an “issue” or a “problem” is quoting the makers of the camera itself, not just my assessment. So again, I’m glad this issue is not affecting your workflow, for me, I’m just waiting for the GH7 All the best
Can I ask you for an opinion? to film 4k DCI do you think that the quality of the GH6 far exceeds the GH5??? Is it worth changing from the GH5 to the GH6? They tell me that the GH have noise problems in the image and autofocus...???
The full V-Log they have in the camera renders a more accurate color and highlight roll-off yes. Not sure what they mean by noise, and yes, focus is still a problem
I been looking for a smaller, run-n-gun, powerful size efficient, video/cinema camera. Currently I shoot on the Canon Cinema C70 and the Canon EOS R3. Which I love those cameras. But are not good for run-n-gun, traveling scenarios. My question to you is what camera you’d recommend to pair with this setup, that is small, very powerful, has reliable autofocus, and would color match “reasonably well” with my current camera arsenal? A few cameras I have/am considering: FX3, X-H2S, GH6, R5C, A1, R6, and the A7IV. Which camera would you recommend for me? P.S. the subject matter is run-n-gun narrative short film (Fiction) and documentary work.
@@THEDPJOURNEY i own both of the cameras, S5 i’ve bought thanks to your videos and now i can’t decide which is better for me)) I love 6K Pro, but lack of stabilisation is killing me…
Thanks for each review you made. I have a question about the low noise capabilities between Lumix s5 and S1h, I understand that the sensors are the same but S1H has a bigger body and more space for the circuits to produce cleaner output, do you see any difference or do they have a same clean output. Thank you.
That’s why I said “at all ISOs” because they all perform the same as it’s native of 800. Which I shot on. In the end , the image you see is a raw converted to compressed. The fact that This happened on the computer not in camera will not alter the result of what the sensor regusters
Thank you!!! Since I shoot real estate, I basically ONLY shoot in high contrast situations. I haven't noticed this so much on my S5 and S1 cameras, but then again, ia m normally shooting closer to ISO 640 in high-contrast situations on those bodies.
The S1, S5 and S1H us the Sony IMX410 variant sensor. This is a sister chip to the one in the Sony XDCAM FX9. This sensor is truely superb in literally every way. The GH6 is not using the new Sony IMX472 MFT sensor. Instead, Lumix has gone off on their own with their own design and their own non-Sony fab. So yeah,...the GH6 sensor will not have any of the dozen or so big Sony architecture patents.
I have a brand new gh6 that I bought to shoot the upcoming launch of Starship integrated flight test 3. I'm about to upgrade to Firmware 2.5, do you know if that has fixed the streaking problem?
I need to do a bunch of tests before my return window expires. I bought it because my GH3 does not do 4k and I need more resolution for the eclipse in April and other projects. Perhaps a GH5 would suffice.
Hey I know this was a controversial video(in so much that it highlighted an issue that upset people) and the drama around the GH6 was massive at the time, could you clarify something you said in this video, you mention that the low iso circuit expressed bad enough streaking you would avoid shooting in these iso's all together. Do you mean in genreal or in these lighting conditions?
I'm on the latest firmware update on my GH6 cameras. I mainly shoot weddings and half the time the getting ready is in a dark hotel room with outdoor light coming through the windows. I absolutely hate the challenges of having to shoot different for a lot of those scenarios because the streaking comes flying in at full effect with dark rooms and the subject right up against a super bright window. Very frustrating.
It does seem very odd how other reviewers, even the very good ones did not cover this in depth..... I do think it would have been better to do a review at the time and cover the good and the bad. That's what reviews are meant to be for. They will also help cement your reputation as a truly trusted channel. Love the channel by the way.
I did check with some of them actually. Some responses were like “we didn’t have enough time to test to discover it” even though it took literally 30 sec to immediately see it. Other saw it but chose not to talk about it to stay cool with the camera brand. Keep in mind many rely on the commission they get when you use their links, so it’s uncommon to find someone warn you about a camera Thank God I have a full time DP job that pays my bills so I only care about sharing the truth, not pleasing corporations or worrying about commissions
So good to see a video from you man! It’s been a while. But it’s been a while since I’ve uploaded one too so I get it. Side note: If you ever need help testing all those cameras let me know 🤣 I can definitely make time for that 😃
Mate I noticed it also while the dude from CIneD was reviewuing it. Everybody does not payes attention to it, they just mention it and goes next, cause it was beta and they never touch that camera again. When I noticed it, I was like wtf? seriously? Anyway, thanks for the content, u r bringing less content, but striking like a lighting :D not coping the specs sheet, thats why you have my follow. :)
Great Review, this is the stuff we need to know! imagine having those streaks show up in a pro shoot: Not acceptable! I'll keep watching to see if the Panasonic gets this fixed...amazing camera from what I can see, but an issue like that would keep me from using it on a professional shoot.
Wow, man! Thanks for the video! That’s a huge issue, wth, why nobody truly talked about this? It’s a dealbreaker for sure, it’s basically unusable. I would never buy Panasonic anyway because of their braindead position on autofocus, but this just confirmed it for certain: from the leader of the industry in the video mirrorless world they’ve turned into a company that produces subpar products with major flaws. Screw this. It was the reason for me to switch from Canon a long time ago, and now Panasonic is going the same route. Pathetic. But once again, big thanks for this extremely important video!
Thanks for watching! They do have really great cameras, I used them in so many commercial work. The quality is usually awesome. But the AF is of course a major flaw compared to others these days. But I know they're working on it. But this streaking issue, was pretty unexpected. I'm now doubting their QC
The S1 has internal 6k, full frame, 4k 60 fps with a crop, no QC issues, etc. I dont know how you could judge all of Panasonic based on their attempt to push M43 beyond anyone else. The S5 and S1 are incredible quality, and have been supported so well through firmware. What's clear is that a larger sensor simply is king.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ spot on. The S5 is just insane value for money. Saw it was on sale for under $1500USD a week or two ago. 80% of my Sony a7S III capability (and exceeds in some cases) for ⅓ of the price. Agree the S1 is WAY in the shadows of the S1H. You can picked them up used for less than a GH6. Meanwhile I'll continue to deal with my Sony's star eater issue....not like they have had long to fix that...oh wait...only since the gen 1 a7 series. Don't get me started on the Canon Cripple Cam marketing, the R5C is an amazing camera, but let's not pretend like Canon don't speed limit video on their hybrids to protect their cine line. Yes this streaking is an issue, and yes Panasonic's response is disappointing. It makes the GH6 a no go for anyone concerned about IQ, which would be one of the main drivers to upgrade from the GH5x line. One bad issue present in a particular scenario does not mean Panasonic have lost their relevance.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ They are decent cameras, sure, but with garbage AF. And unfortunately Panasonic is doing a “Canon” on us all by refusing to put a decent phase-detect AF there. I don’t like Cripple Hammers, I’ve been using Panasonic camera with shitty unreliable AF for long enough already, I don’t want that anymore in my life.
UPDATE: I hate to say it, but Firmware 2.0 still expresses the same streaking problem. Let's wait for the next one
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I noticed this last night while recording externally on the S1
I'm wondering if this is something that firmware could even address. It seems like it might be more of a mechanical issue with the sensor.
Damn I was hoping the firmware 2.0 would fix this. I just noticed this issue in some of my film tests I did yesterday. Updated the firmware just after. Was really hoping it would be fixed!
I had this in my cart and was just about to buy. This video saved me the hassle.
Great work, Sherif. Very well done. 👍
ohh you are here to :) hello ;)
@@Zizoswho is crazy? :)
Omg a comment from Gerald 🤩
I'd say Sherlock rather ...
My SONY a7C has exactly the same problem, so does Fuji X-T3/4 it just miracle that Gerald didn't notice it there. Very well done.
My Sony th-cam.com/video/UGeR7POG3dQ/w-d-xo.html
Fuji: th-cam.com/video/EOIPli9y5Ro/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for bringing this up! I immediately tested my Canon R5 C after watching this, and indeed found that it has the same problem. I brought the camera to a Canon service centre nearby and the technician found that their sample unit also behave the same. She said she would report this issue to Canon HQ, but in the meantime there's nothing she can do to help.
I really do hope Canon can somehow mitigate this issue because the R5 C really is not cheap.
Really happy you mentioned that! cuz I've ben hearing about it nut didnt get the chance to test it yet! I was in fact planning to buy it as well, but it seems I might just hold back then
they fixed the problem with software on canon r5 having the same problem. There is also a video on the subject. th-cam.com/video/dfenxw0OKbc/w-d-xo.html
Good to have you back!!!
Yeah been a while. Always tricky to balance my full time DP life with TH-cam. Thanks again for watching
Absolutely facinating. I knew about this problem when I was ar NAB. I took my GH6 out to the Vegas strip for 3 nights shooting everything at 2000 ISO VLog. I shot a couple hundred clips all exposed hard to the right but keeping higlights just a hair under cliping. After pixel peeping those couple hundred clips, I found only one single clip that streaked. It was the white Mirage building in the night sky. Even stranger....of the 10 similar shots framed in a similar manner, 9 of them did not streak. It was only one exact angle and exact exposure that triggered it. All the other Vegas strip street shots were prefectly fine. It's strange how random it is for me. Everything I shot was with in-camera noise reduction pulled back to "0"
As i demonstrated, it all depends on the camera settings and the situation you are shooting in. Keep in mind the more lights you have the more streaks will overlap each other and you might end up having a fully lifted image rather than one light streak because it’s just one light source. In other words, if you just put a vertical light tube along the side of your full image, you will not see the streak simply because the streak is literally covering the full image. Hope that makes sense
@@THEDPJOURNEY I shot about 10 files on the street with the White Mirage building in front of the night sky. It’s weird…one specific angle caused perfect streaking. The next file was just me on the same shot, just 20 feel moved over. That same building, same exposure and same night sky had zero artifacts. Moving down the street several more times and that streaking was still gone. I was expecting to see the exact same problem on each shot because each one was only “slightly” different from each other. But no…only one had the problem. And that one that had it?…had it strongly. It’s so arbitrary. I was expecting to see it in many many shots but no,…it’s like rolling a dice. It just happens out of the blue as a matter of chance? Please keep talking about this. I will do further testing myself on this. Spectacular video that you made on this.
@@clifftotten7609 rolling a dice is a perfect analogy, would you roll the dice when it comes to client work?
Try this... go in a dark room, and light a couple candles, set it to V-Log ISO 2000 and see what happens
@@THEDPJOURNEY Agreed....yes this is something that concerns me. I'm taking my GH6 to Yellowstone National park in 2 weeks. I'll be shooting 90% daylight shots in VLog on Eagles, Coyotes and lots of bears. Some evening shots on the Hayden valley wolves. I'm certain this kind of outdoor shooting wont show any problems...but Im curious to see. This is 100% personal work. Please keep invistigating this issue. You are on to a super interesting subject with this!
@@THEDPJOURNEY So you are acknowledging you have to use certain settings and push the camera in a certain way to get it to streak?
GH6 Owner here: great video, I like how you showcased the problem and explained why it happens, plus showing it on other brands and models, personally I haven't seen that issue in my footage, and I've shot in high DR situations, I was aware of this "issue" before buying my camera but upon getting it and using it In several occasions, I don't feel like it is a big deal to be honest, a lot of cameras with a CMOS sensor have this, it is more pronounce on some but it isn't something that huge IMO, again I can't speak for everyone but as far as my GH6 and my footage, I've haven't experienced it, this might show up in extreme situations, but it hasn't for me. (not defending the camera or anything, it's just my honest opinion)
Yup. Totally agreed. I already made sure it’s very clear that in those specific situations with high contrast such as window setup. Which to me is very limiting to my creative process. I can’t tell my clients:”oh sorry we can’t shoot facing the window because the camera can’t handle it”
Again, the GH5 works great. So why are they going backwards now
@@THEDPJOURNEY totally understand, I’ll make some more testings on my own to check if depending on the lens, the streaks are more pronounce or something
@@AndyLSB let me save you time, it's not the lens, that's the first test I did to rule out optical refractions. That's why i said "not suing anamorphic or any lens filters"
Again, Panasonic DID acknowledge the problem, they even thanked me for pointing it out. So the problem is there whether you found it or not. You just didn't shoot in the perfect setup that highlights it.
Try shooting a candle or a single light source in a dark room in V-Log at ISO 2000
@@THEDPJOURNEY oh ok awesome, I’ll try that tonight then, I’ll let you know my results.
Maybe iso 4000 will show more
Woah,....I'm a bit obsessed with this issue. I just took out my Sony FX6 and shot some SLog-3 and I got a very similar blooming/streaking using an iPad in a dark room. I have the FX6 set with noise reduction set to "low" and it has the SAME GH6 horizontal banding lines. It's VERY interesting. Not only is the FX6 showing grey banding but the noise itself "runs" and dances sideways with the bands. I swear that I have never noticed this before but not that I'm hunting for it, it's showing up. It's kinda crazy. Can any other FX6 owners test this with a "square" light source like an iPad?
*Edit - Yup on my second test, I can absolutely confirm the Sony FX6 is doing this too. It seems to be a certain "ratio" between the light vs. shadow. There seems to be a bell-curve "problem" peak point. When closing and opening the aperture, as the blooming increases, the banding will get stronger. It "peaks" at a certain bight to dark ratio and then "fades" as the light gets more intense. Moving the aperture back again will bring the banding back until it peaks and then recedes again. When it peaks, it's pretty strong. Absolutely fascinating...wow. The Sony FX6 has this too!
Oh wow!
I’m honestly considering adding this kind of test to all my future camera reviews!!
You should make an episode about that man
You should make a video if this is really happening. I cannot reproduce with the sony fx6.
@@burritobrosvideos8060 - I didnt use an actual iPad. I used a Tripplteck tablet that has 1000 nitts. I placed it in a dark room with full brightness. I had a large black plastic sheet behind it. I shot in SLog-3 and ramped up the gain step by step. I noticed the artifact peaks at a certain white/black "ratio". It's not there in lower ISO's then appears, then fades away as you go up. There seems to be a certain peak bell curve or "sweet spot" that it lives in. If you are below it or above it, it's only minor. When you hit the gain, it appears. It's odd and fascinating. I swear I never noticed this once until I TRIED looking for it. Now? I can spot it. Bizarre!
@@clifftotten7609 video or it never happened.
@@burritobrosvideos8060 - I might do a video on it, yes. However, you believing it is something that is not necessary for me. If you do, I don't care. If you don't, I stiil don't care. It just doesnt matter to me either way. If you have an FX6, you should be able to see it if your light source is sharp and defined enough. I'm pretty sure that if you do it right and you look,...you WILL see it. But hey, it's totally up to you. ;-)
Thanks for letting us know this issue. Never realized that cameras could be affected by this issue.
Hard to believe, thanks for watching
So great to see you upload!
Yeah it’s been a while… should post more frequently now, wish me luck
Hey thanks for this. I am sure it drove down the price of the gh6, which I picked up for 1500 dollars new a few months ago. The 5.7k pro res hq images are terrific. I updated the firmware to 2.1 and have really tried to create your scenarios for streaking. I thought I saw one sort of streak and moved the camera about three inches to the right and it was gone. Then I changed the iso and it was gone. I have shot maybe...200 hours on the gh6...in every lighting condition I can conjure up and--no streaking. I bought the camera thinking this might be a workaround, but now realize it is a non issue, at least for me, and the best friend to those of us who seek maximum image quality at the lowest price possible. I really like the images it produces and look forward to picking it up and shooting every day. I am a former journalist who does not like bs or corporate pitch people, so...my views. I really like your videos. Keep up the good work.
I haven't noticed the light streaking issue in real world use on my GH6. So far, I'm very satisfied with the camera.
Sounds good. Just know that maybe one day you will notice it and it’s be impossible to fix. That’s all I’m saying
@@THEDPJOURNEY if its not noticed yet, why would be in the future? sound like you just want the camera to be faulty.
resell it as bad camera !! go for RED camera !! way better !!
Panasonic confirmed this issue exists in all their cameras, no exception. Not seeing it only means he didn’t use it in the optimal scenario that shows it. Best of luck
After working with this camera for a few weeks, I found a fatal flaw with the footage higher than 60fps. There's a red line though EVERY SINGLE shot. ...and Panasonic won't refund me. They want 2-8 weeks to "fix" it.
Oh damn. I assume that’s only in your camera.haven’t seen that so far in the one I have
Thank you! I’m still reviewing all camera options. I canceled my GH6 order & now I’m back to contemplating which system to spend my $3k on.
just came from your video to check this out! ...what the F man...I was kinda gaining some big respect for this camera despite KNOWING about the AF issues. I recommended this camera to my friend and he almost got it. opted for a blackmagic pocket 4k instead. he'll upgrade to 6k at some point
@@cyborgchimpy this guy is on something. It's not a real issue. Just someone who hates that m43 exists.
0:19 Been waiting for a full breakdown of this. I found this in two different copies of the GH6 that I bought. I reached out to mft facebook groups and even the Lumix TH-cam channel and all I got were crickets. They still haven't addressed it. That and a couple other let downs with the GH6 led me to finally switch out. Currently happy with my Sony full-frame setup. Much more expensive but it's definitely worth not dealing with the shortcomings of Panasonic. Thank you for this breakdown!
I heard about your shortcomings.
Sony A7IV? A7SIII?
@@Alexrocks1253 fx3 and A7iv
I've been shooting with mine for over a week now in all sorts of scenarios and never once had this issue. Shooting in 5.7K 24p/60p & C4K 120p 420 10bit internal VLog. I've filmed with bright windows as the only light source in a completely unlit room, exteriors, interiors, etc and never noticed this issue. I wonder if it was a limited run of early cameras or a bad batch of sensors?
EDIT** I've also been shooting in ISO 400 (Native) or with DRB at ISO 2000 (Native when using VLOG)
You’re lucky then. The issue is there, a Panasonic did recreate the issue in their labs and that was the reason why you heard influencers like Gerald Undone say they got the camera late. Simply because they were working on a fix.
Try to recreate the setup I had and let me know what you get
Mine does it. I just bought mine two weeks ago.
@@northislandnow8858 They all have that problem, Panasonic confirmed it 5 months ago. You're not alone
Your footage does have the problem.
@@burritobrosvideos8060 You're right, I was able to get it to show by setting it up looking out a bright window and then adjusting exposure until interior was completely dark. Not really a real world scenario haha. In real world use, it's never been an issue. Either buy and enjoy, or worry for nothing and miss out.
Whoa, that's nuts! I just watched a video of someone comparing the Komodo to the R5c and R5, he's switching to the R5c, and he did a dynamic range comparison between the two. The Canons both had this issue fairly badly and the Komodo didn't seem to have it. I was quite thrilled but I will be testing my Komodo to see if I can spot it. I'm hoping not, but I will be comparing to my S1H.
Yeah I did hear about that on the R5C. Haven’t gotten my hands on it. But it seems this is becoming an issue with new cameras for some reason! Pretty weird!
@@THEDPJOURNEY - No the Canon C300 has this issue too. See Micheal the Maven's documented C300 banding/blooming TH-cam videos. My Sony A6500 had in SLog too.
R line isn't that good.
So, what is the result with S1H?
@@DineshBhadwal Actually still haven't had time to test it. Hopefully I can soon.
Thanks for the detailed heads-up on the light streaks. Really looking forward to the continued review of the camera!
More to come!
Using an iPad with a bright white .jpg in a dark room...I was able to force this blooming/streaking artifact....but only partially. Now that I have being testing this and delibretly trying to "force" this blooming, I have noticed that I can only get this problem on shots that were unusable to begin with. I could not get the artifact to to appear on well exposed shots. I could not get the artifact to ruin "good" shots. I could only get the blooming/streaking problem to appear in shots that were already really bad to begin with and were already unusable. Does that make sense?
Absolutely, thing is, “cinematic” filmmaking is all about shooting into the light, which is my fav type of look. With that said, most if not all my shots will be destroyed. I didn’t really spend much time trying to force it, it was pretty easy to come by honestly. Not sure why it was very hard for you to recreate it.
In the end, if you feel you’re comfortable with that, then it’s all good.
Just keep in mind that there’s always a chance for it to ruin your shot. So be careful
@@THEDPJOURNEY - Agreed. Yes,...this is concerning to me and something that I take seriously. Although, my GH6 is intended for Alaska and Montana hiking. I have a large library of grizzly bears and wolves that I created with my GH5. I dont see this ever being a problem in daylight shooting of wildlife. But yes...this blooming/banding issue still wiil certainly still be in the back of my mind. Keep up the excellent work that you do. Im a big fan of your channel!
Thanks for the video. Also I enjoyed watching your editing technique-!!
Thanks for watching 😊
Very well done review. Crazy this is the first I’m hearing about the streak issues. Love my S1H BTW!
Thanks! 👍 S1H is great
Well done. I say wait and see if Panasonic fixes the issue then do a full review. Your reviews are always the best.
Fingers crossed!
Thanks for this much needed video review. Was eagerly waiting to hear your opinion on gh6.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this. I was probably a couple months from buying one. Looks like I’ll wait for an S version that’ll likely have more precise sensitivity.
Glad this video was useful. Thanks for watching
The issue is not caused the way you have explained it. So let me provide a better one - since I do design cameras. Each sensor has a "optically black" area either on left or both sides of the active picture, shielded from capturing light. As all the pixels of one line are converted simultaneously, next the average of those shielded pixels is subtracted from the active area data. This is called Black Level Correction (BLC) - restoring the black to a digital zero, on each line of the picture individually. The problem occurs when the shielded pixels are locally affected - either by overflowing charge into them from a highlight area, or if a light reflected on specific angle gets under the shield and onto those pixels. Both of this are specific to the design and build of the particular sensor itself. So this then results in artefacts that look like bands, but really its just a grouped FPN issue, as every line may have a different imprecision in black-level correction. PS: I do not know what the DRBOOST is about on technical level.. hate the marketing words without deep explanation. So no idea how that comes into the picture.
Thank you so much for the explanation, it did help me better understand what’s going on under the hood. Of course with that knowledge I would be careful sharing it with other filmmakers, since we are not on that technical level as yours. I was of course just trying to over simplify things, knowing that this will not accurately explain the problem. But as you know it’s just to give an idea rather than go into the science of it. Thanks again for watching and thanks for the clear explanation
Your videos are incredible! So well put together
Thank you for the kind words and thanks for watching
Thanks for the excellent demonstration. I’ve shot a fair bit with the GH6 and not had streaking issues. I will do some tests and share my findings.
Same here… I shot many other test shots and didn’t feel it when the footage is mainly broght. Only in low key shots where you have sharp contrast like the example demonstrated in the episode.
Wow, so much work went into this video! Thanks, can’t wait to see the next follow ups 👍.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent analysis Sherif! I’m glad someone is taking an objective view on the issue
Thanks Ihab
Spectre Sound Studios brought me here. Great analysis!
Thanks for coming by. Glad you liked it 👍
This was very interesting, thank you for this review. I was seriously considering the gh6 for my next workhorse! Will definitely wait a while now!
Glad it was helpful!
FORGET GH6 GO FOR S1H WHICH IS WAY BETTER INDEED
@@egran2150 Great artist do not wait for the perfect tool or instrument, they are that tool or instrument, and will make art with whatever is in reach…
There is enough footage in the wild with the GH6 or any of the other cameras with similar sensor types, that show it’s not a hindrance.
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Well thanks a lot for the heads-up! I always value your comments and trust your evaluation explicitly👍
So nice of you
Thank you mate, this is a real camera review. Not very often seen on TH-cam. Good work!
It’s my absolute pleasure. Glad you liked it
So Glad I got the FX3.. It's my workhorse, and I won't be switching for many years to come.
Love your reviews! Well done!
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching
Awesome and very informative videos as always, Sherif bek!
Glad you liked it! Ahmed Basha
Great job. I haven't seen this happen in any of my shots, but it is as clear as day in your video. I would love to see the next 2 videos you have planned on the GH6.
Thanks for the info, very in-depth. I am assuming you tried this in version 1.2 of the camera's firmware before posting all of this? I have never come across that issue but am interested to try and recreate it.
Yes I did, it's the same, Just posted the results in the community tab
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thanks, appreciate the update.
@@stevelitton my pleasure
Panasonic user 10 + years. My GH6 is a keeper regardless! 😎
👍👍
Doesn't the Raptor have it's own stitched sensor artifact issue?
They fixed it apparently
Great to have you back, Sherif. Such a shame about these streaks. I'm so in tune with my GH5 and GH5S that a GH6 would have been a logical progression for my aging cams at least from a workflow and ergonomics perspective. I'm amazed the GH5 is still ticking after all we've been through together. Where would you go next if my GH5 bites the dust?
I would wait for the S1H MKII
@@THEDPJOURNEY Can you explain the rational of S1H MkII over GH6?
This is completely fixable in firmware and clearly the camera is either overcompensating or undercompensating. It is a very bad move to release it in that state, but I am sure it will be fixed in few weeks at most.
@@RagingShrimp67 It's hard to believe that this won't be fixed..
Since you are so in tune, why not the underestimated GH5 Mark II… Even if you were to go with the GH6, or any other camera, your workflow would be affected. The GH5II, does have a newer processor (which means firmware updatable), and IQ is shaper, as well as better in lower light. Plus the AF is better too, usable, similar to the S5, but with a smaller sensor it probably is even more effective. Most importantly, the GH5II is cost effective, and you would not need to change much if anything at all related to your process…
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@@RagingShrimp67 I'm hoenstly not very optimistic about being so sure they'll fix it. They literally acknowledged the problem when I first reported it Mid January, and it's been 4 months now and they didnt fix it. Not just that, when they launched the camera, they told me they're ok with the problem as is now. So they might not even be trying to fix it. I hope this episode would add some pressure. it's for our benefit after all what I'm doing here.
Need a sequel on this since it appears to be the same issue present in the new Blackmagic cinema camera 6k FF. Is that maybe the reason you won't review that unit?
I’ll be checking it out soon
@@THEDPJOURNEYcan confirm. It’s way more pronounced on the blackmagic Cinema Camera 6k FF.
From my experience it streaks in well lit conditions too( if you’d like I provide some sample footage via email).
I’ve had the camera replaced twice and been in contact with blackmagic who provided the same response as Panasonic. Blackmagic told me shooting events is improper use case because it’s a cinema camera so I should be controlling my point of highlight like any cinema camera in a studio set….
Most BS response I’ve ever had with a camera company.
Conclusion: This is not a problem if you use normal color shots. Gh6 problem is a little disappointing but it's Only visible when you have very bright next to very dark high contrast: (i.e. black and white is the worst example of this),
and it is worse if you boost contrast and luts. (all Cmos cameras have a little of this).
None of the GH6 images I've seen with normal chroma range shows this problem.
In this regard the Gh5. Gh5s and Gh5/2 and Pana's Full frames are still highly usable.
And so is the GH6 if you don't use luts and high contrast with as shown here.
I suggest another test with full color, (with and without luts) will demonstrate a good outcome
The three gentlemen referred to in this clip are all very good in this game , including Gerald ; -)
If you don’t have a high contrast shot with mid to dark areas next to it, or super soft overcast look… then you should be relatively ok.
But you never know what situation you’d be in on set…mixed with your camera settings.
That’s what scares me, the creative restriction
@@THEDPJOURNEY You cant win that kind of talk with a gh6 fanboy ^^ I see so much comments and hypes about the gh6, but in my world its not a very good cam for cinematography. There are better cams i would buy. I have the S1H and love the cam very much. Thats an amazing image. The only thing i hate with the S1H is that i cant change the shutter speed and the exposure together.. ANd the rolling shutter. But the image quality is absolutely amazing like your fx3 and bmpc
Lmao. Why would I pay over two grand for a camera and have to not use luts are you out of your mind or just some clueless troll?
There was an update on July 11th of 2023. Did this fix the streaking issue? Glenn Fricker from SpectreSoundStudios found what he calls the "Red line of death" in slow motion. Did you also experience the "Red line of death"?
I didn’t test the latest update actually. Since I’m not suing this camera at all because of the streaking, I didn’t see the red line of death LOL
But I did hear about it.
Panasonic dropped the ball this time on that sensor unfortunately
Thanks ! Great job ! what I can tell you , in my experience , BMPC 6k pro on iso 1000 when you using full battery (7,4 v and up ) you have less problem but from (7,4- 7,2v ) on iso 1000 start getting more lines .
At 6:12 you talk about the overflow of light to neighbouring pixels. But why does it only leak to neighbouring horizontal pixels and not vertical pixels.
It is related to how rolling shutters work. The sensor is read line by line and there's one set of amplifiers per pixel line and something something. Explained by an engineer friend, but he doesn't specialize in microchips so that's as far as I got.
CMOS sensors streak horizontally… CCD streak vertically
Really well done, as usual. Very enlightening.
Thank you
Some News with the V2 firmware ?
Another GH6 owner here that has never experienced this. I just went back and looked through a bunch of my footage as well, and couldn't find any examples. Very interesting though, I'll certainly be more aware of this in the future.
Sucks that a lot of people will swear of the GH6 forever now because of this video, when probably 99% of them would never experience this, because it is an absolutely amazing camera, and I wouldn't trade it for anything (well, not literally, but anything comparable) .
I guess you're lucky none of the scenes you shot expressed that streaking, I assume they're all morning outdoor shots or just high key shots with no lights shining directly into the sensor. But that does not mean it's not there, it's jut you didn't shoot in the settings and that induce it the most. Panasonic did replicate it in all their cameras and they're confirming it's there, no denial there. So your camera has it and one day you'll be able to see it when shooting in similar kind of high DR scene like the one i featured here
@@THEDPJOURNEY So it's like herpes...
@@THEDPJOURNEY I only shoot in extremely high contrast situations. Bars, nightlife, etc. I can't find any examples of this popping up in my photos. Over 20,000 photos over the last couple months, with about 15,000 of those happening in various high contrast situations. Can't find even one example after scrolling through for the last half hour.
@@THEDPJOURNEY So I was finally able to replicate this today. I did find it to be very lens dependent though. Using a vintage OM lens on a speed booster it was almost impossible to get it - DR boost had to be on, and exposure set for the light outside the window, while the inside was quite dark. The native MFT lenses I tried were the most apparent (25 f1.7, and a 12-50mm f3.5) while the two lenses on the metabones were much more difficult to produce it, but also varied a bit (1980's OM 24 f2.8, and a Tokina 20-35 f2.8). I almost always use the metabones adapted glass, so I'm guessing this is why it's taken so long to see this. Also, I don't know that I'd ever shot inside while exposing for what's out the window - and this time was just testing out lens.
For a few seconds I thought those light streaks were image burn-in on my computer screen...I scared myself for no reason.
hahaha... it's the camera
Has the latest firmware fixed this issue or does it still exist?
Nope… it’s still there
hello Sherif, interesting tests, while you was conducting these, did you encounter even the sensor stitching issue of the V-Raptor (producing a vertical line in the center of the frame) or did RED somehow fixed it?
I honestly didn’t notice it. I own the raptor and already had several commercial shoots with it. I’m also aware of the problem, but couldn’t replicate it
Finally, new video!
Thanks so much for making this video. I hope it helps to light a fire under Panasonic's rear end and get them to address the issue. However since they have known about it for over 2 firmwares now, I wonder if this is an unfixable hardware issue with the sensor.
I was wondering the same thing as well, I hope a miracle will happen. The feature set of the camera are so good that it would be a great waste
100% fixable.
@@THEDPJOURNEY They have an extremely good history of supporting and releasing firmwares for years after release, I am not worried about it.
@@RagingShrimp67 Yes, we all remember the countless firmware updates that fixed the AFC and made it as good as Sony......oh, wait...
AFAIK the issue is already fixed.
Either way we'll wait and see, no one is forcing to buy the camera if it's not good enough for their use case.
Also comparing AF to streaking shows very poor technical understanding of the topic.
It seems like, that issue does have something to-do with the coatings on the OLPF of glass, which sits in front of the naked Sensor. I remember these things quite well, from my Sony A7. It's coatings caused under special circumstances light reflections interally, which could ruin some pictures.
I wish, this is a common CMOS sensor issue as I mentioned in the episode.
Awesome, man! I've been waiting for one of your videos! I hope you can release new videos more often, cheers! )) 👌
Thanks for the support. Yeah illl do my best. Juggling DP work and TH-cam is not easy apparently
I've just come across this issue in all sorts of lighting conditions, But I quickly realised, this only occurs in 100 and 120fps. I've never seen it in 60fps or lower.
I've noticed that I can see the streak when looking at the screen, but the moment I hit record the streaking completely disappeared
The video feed on the monitor and the recorded video are on different circuits. The streak will not look as bad in the footage as it is on the the screen, but it’ll still be there
Glad you're back. At $2k the Blackmagic 6k (with a polarizer for this "fix") is still killing it for me. Would I like to have the FX3? Of course but that isn't in the cards....yet.
We've been shooting a lot of outdoors with GH6's since it came out, and are very pleased with it... Never noticed this issue, I guess in real world this is a very rare situation, and Panasonic decided to release the gh6 with this issue hoping it won't get noticed by many...
The issue won’t be clear in high key shots, only when you have a dark setup with a strong light source shining against that dark, like almost all indoor room with a window shot, a concert, etc…
I bought this camera 15 days ago, and I'm very happy with it, and I did the tests and it doesn't have these stripes even with DR On and DR Off. ❤
Glad to hear you’re happy with the camera, it’s pretty awesome and full of great features. Panasonic did confirm to me directly that this issue exists in all their cameras, not seeing it does not mean that it doesn’t exist in your unit. You’ll eventually see it sometime when all conditions are right to induce it, hope it won’t be on a shoot for a client
@@THEDPJOURNEY thanks for the information, I really did the test and not seeing the problem I thought my unit would not have the problem, I hope they release an update soon to solve this problem. thank you friend!
@@THEDPJOURNEY Did they say anything about a possible fix in the future or it's going to stay like this?
as always great video!
Cheers thanks
So great to have you back, Sherif.
Great to be back
Great video. Thank you. How did you make the transition at 3:55 ? Can you screenshot/share the adjustment layer settings or, if you didn't make it from scratch, share where you got it from? Very subtle and beautiful.
As usual, you cover issues that either other people dodge or fail to acknowledge. This was an important video for me. Even though I am happy with my Sony A7iv, I was really impressed with the features of the GH6 and thought about getting it as a second camera. But, after seeing this video, I will not even think about buying the GH6 until they fix this issue. So, I'm not sure if it's worthwhile creating more videos until this is fixed. It's like buying a car that stalls every five miles, and you have to call roadside assistance to get moving again. Thanks for your fantastic content. You really provide a great service to the filmmaking community.
Thank you so much for watching and for your support. I always hope that my videos help and educate beyond the typical hype that’s all about reading specs rather than really checking camera’s actual performance.
Thanks again
I had my GH6 for a month now, NEVER had a problem with the horizontal banding, I can hardly notice that. If you are shooting towards a window, you are turning dynamic boost on anyways (actually I use it as default).
@@waynecake5867 Not having encoutered this problem does not mean it doesn't exist. Panasonic confirmed it's there and actually thanked me for pointing it out. You just didn't recreate the perfect scenario and settings that let it manifest that's all. You'll eventually find it, won't be a surprise to you when you do
@@THEDPJOURNEY I do found it, but it didn't bother me.
so what are the ISOs I can shoot with again? Im confused, and sad. I found streaks in night shots, thought it could be from some types of lights...but then I shot daytime outdoors today, and it's all streaked. Iso 250 onwards....
Hey Sherif,
Great video my guy. One question though because I am not very technical does the Bayer array have anything to do with this or is it just a design flaw of all CMOS sensors even if we strip away the color filter?
All I know is that it's the CMOS sensor design hat creates those horizontal streaks, bayer is in all CMOS anyway, some have a slightly different pattern than others, but don't think it affects it, CCD sensors create vertical ones BTW.
@@THEDPJOURNEY I was more wondering Bayer vs xtrans but I actually got my answer when I was recording a test shot with my xt-3 where I put a white background on my PC and shot it in a dark room and there was streaking. But I came to the conclusion that there are different types of streaking. There's the light streaking where the streak darkens the area it affects and there's the streak that lightens the area it affects and one is clearly better looking than the other. A streak that comes from a light source that lightens the surrounding could look like an anamorphic lens flare, an unwanted one of course but it is much better than a streak that darkens the area surrounding it which makes no sense from any way you look at it.
Do you feel that this issue is a noticeable deal breaker in the Panasonic S line?
Didn’t check on the S, but it’s a HUGE deal breaker for me personally on the GH
Very well done review! Thanks for the information on the GH6. Somewhat concerning for a flagship m4/3 camera. Is this a firmware/profiling issue or sensor hw issue?
this is a HW issue as mentioned across all CMOS sensors. But that can potentially be mitigated to a certain degree with FW. As of now, it's still there.
1 year later, I still love my GH6 and that streaking has happened only in very specific extreme situations when anyways the image would have been crap. So no big issue as this video attempts to make it. This camera is awesome and I still love to use it everyday.
Really happy the streaking is not causing you any issues. It’s a great camera after all, no doubt about it, but me personally, I’d never use it on a commercial set, can’t risk that streaking ruining the client’s shots
@@THEDPJOURNEY It wouldn't because there is probably zero chance you experience it. I think the best situation to test the issue was the total eclipse we had last week. Zero problem. Not seen one sign of it. That's because anyone who can expose well a shot should never run into this very niche issue.
I find it a little over the top to talk about "the streaking issue". I've tested mine extensively ever since I've had the camera, in october 2022 and managed to see it once when I was at 25 600 ISO and pushed the exposure to its maximum capacity filming a full moon. Not exactly something I would do if I was filming for a client!
I mean, Panasonic themselves acknowledged this was a problem, and they tried to fix it in many firmware updates till they told me it will never be fully fixed. Calling it an “issue” or a “problem” is quoting the makers of the camera itself, not just my assessment. So again, I’m glad this issue is not affecting your workflow, for me, I’m just waiting for the GH7
All the best
Good stuff as usual man!!! But do you think it’s the sensor issue, Taft they are unwilling to recall?…. Or jus firmware related?
it is a sensor issue, check th-cam.com/video/nyFLRSMR3M8/w-d-xo.html where I explained that it's all CMOS sensors that have that.
@@THEDPJOURNEY so Panasonic would have to replace this?
Can I ask you for an opinion? to film 4k DCI do you think that the quality of the GH6 far exceeds the GH5??? Is it worth changing from the GH5 to the GH6? They tell me that the GH have noise problems in the image and autofocus...???
The full V-Log they have in the camera renders a more accurate color and highlight roll-off yes. Not sure what they mean by noise, and yes, focus is still a problem
@@THEDPJOURNEY Well...thats not what I ask but thanks
I been looking for a smaller, run-n-gun, powerful size efficient, video/cinema camera.
Currently I shoot on the Canon Cinema C70 and the Canon EOS R3. Which I love those cameras. But are not good for run-n-gun, traveling scenarios.
My question to you is what camera you’d recommend to pair with this setup, that is small, very powerful, has reliable autofocus, and would color match “reasonably well” with my current camera arsenal?
A few cameras I have/am considering:
FX3, X-H2S, GH6, R5C, A1, R6, and the A7IV.
Which camera would you recommend for me?
P.S. the subject matter is run-n-gun narrative short film (Fiction) and documentary work.
I would say FX3, mostly because it’s compact, has a raw output to Prores Raw and VERY reliable AF
another amazing review --- extremely useful. -- THANK YOU!!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
I had no idea BMPCC6K Pro has such problem! Thank you so much for such review! I wonder if Panasonic S5 has the same problem
Yeah it was a surprise for me too. Haven’t tested the s5 yet
@@THEDPJOURNEY i own both of the cameras, S5 i’ve bought thanks to your videos and now i can’t decide which is better for me)) I love 6K Pro, but lack of stabilisation is killing me…
Would this still be a problem when shooting external prores raw on a ninja v?
Yea, it’s a problem on the sensor level, not compression
Good insight here. Thanks for sharing!
Cheers Kevin
Thanks for each review you made. I have a question about the low noise capabilities between Lumix s5 and S1h, I understand that the sensors are the same but S1H has a bigger body and more space for the circuits to produce cleaner output, do you see any difference or do they have a same clean output. Thank you.
Red shoots in R3D raw,where ISO is meta. How would you compare that footage with a non raw file?
That’s why I said “at all ISOs” because they all perform the same as it’s native of 800. Which I shot on.
In the end , the image you see is a raw converted to compressed. The fact that This happened on the computer not in camera will not alter the result of what the sensor regusters
What do you think about Zcam ?
Haven’t tested it yet. Can’t give any opinions about it till I do
What lens do you use for those extreme close-up shots of the GH6's body?
Thank you!!! Since I shoot real estate, I basically ONLY shoot in high contrast situations. I haven't noticed this so much on my S5 and S1 cameras, but then again, ia m normally shooting closer to ISO 640 in high-contrast situations on those bodies.
I didn’t test in the S1 or s5. But S1H is pretty good as I demonstrated
The S1, S5 and S1H us the Sony IMX410 variant sensor. This is a sister chip to the one in the Sony XDCAM FX9. This sensor is truely superb in literally every way. The GH6 is not using the new Sony IMX472 MFT sensor. Instead, Lumix has gone off on their own with their own design and their own non-Sony fab. So yeah,...the GH6 sensor will not have any of the dozen or so big Sony architecture patents.
I have a brand new gh6 that I bought to shoot the upcoming launch of Starship integrated flight test 3. I'm about to upgrade to Firmware 2.5, do you know if that has fixed the streaking problem?
Unfortunately, it didn’t, this is a physical problem with the sensor that a firmware won’t be able to fix, but only mitigate.
I need to do a bunch of tests before my return window expires. I bought it because my GH3 does not do 4k and I need more resolution for the eclipse in April and other projects. Perhaps a GH5 would suffice.
The GH5 is pretty awesome, I’m still using it for most of my TH-cam product shots actually
Hey I know this was a controversial video(in so much that it highlighted an issue that upset people) and the drama around the GH6 was massive at the time, could you clarify something you said in this video, you mention that the low iso circuit expressed bad enough streaking you would avoid shooting in these iso's all together. Do you mean in genreal or in these lighting conditions?
I meant mostly in these high contrast conditions, but even in low contrast it’d still express that streaking
I'm on the latest firmware update on my GH6 cameras. I mainly shoot weddings and half the time the getting ready is in a dark hotel room with outdoor light coming through the windows. I absolutely hate the challenges of having to shoot different for a lot of those scenarios because the streaking comes flying in at full effect with dark rooms and the subject right up against a super bright window. Very frustrating.
I know! That’s why I have that video as a warning for everyone
The big surprise to me are the streaks at the bmpcc 6k, cause I thought it's a budget cine camera with the whole focus on image. But with this? 😅
I know! I was kind of shocked too
@@THEDPJOURNEY but would you say that it's not a professional camera anymore for working with serious clients?
Genius love your reviews such a PRO
My pleasure. Thanks for your support
How is the GH5s doing in this case?
Haven’t tested it, don’t have it. Sorry
I've noticed the same problem in Cammackey's R5C vs Red Komodo DR test.
Yeah I heard it there as well, didnt get the chance to test it though
How is it with all the problems now?? 6 months later now..thanks for the video
yay!!!!!! we missed you. #backstronger
Missed you too :)
Thanks for this information and dude your videos are amazing. Where do you get the different cameras images you use in your videos from?
Thanks for the compliments, I own those cameras I used int he video
It does seem very odd how other reviewers, even the very good ones did not cover this in depth.....
I do think it would have been better to do a review at the time and cover the good and the bad. That's what reviews are meant to be for. They will also help cement your reputation as a truly trusted channel.
Love the channel by the way.
I did check with some of them actually. Some responses were like “we didn’t have enough time to test to discover it” even though it took literally 30 sec to immediately see it. Other saw it but chose not to talk about it to stay cool with the camera brand.
Keep in mind many rely on the commission they get when you use their links, so it’s uncommon to find someone warn you about a camera
Thank God I have a full time DP job that pays my bills so I only care about sharing the truth, not pleasing corporations or worrying about commissions
What are your thoughts on the ZCAMs, Sherif? Thanks!
Haven't had the chance to use it honestly. I'm interested in testing it, but Z-cam never answered my emails
@@THEDPJOURNEY thanks for your answer! Too bad, as the slow motion and high iso performance are impressive.
So good to see a video from you man! It’s been a while. But it’s been a while since I’ve uploaded one too so I get it. Side note: If you ever need help testing all those cameras let me know 🤣 I can definitely make time for that 😃
Mate I noticed it also while the dude from CIneD was reviewuing it. Everybody does not payes attention to it, they just mention it and goes next, cause it was beta and they never touch that camera again. When I noticed it, I was like wtf? seriously? Anyway, thanks for the content, u r bringing less content, but striking like a lighting :D not coping the specs sheet, thats why you have my follow. :)
Thank you so much for the kind words and for your support. I always try to go beyond the hype and be as honest and objective as possible.
Brother Sherif, does S1 also suffer from this?
Apologies bro, I don’t have it to test that
Interesting video! Thank you.
Thanks for watching
Great Review, this is the stuff we need to know! imagine having those streaks show up in a pro shoot: Not acceptable! I'll keep watching to see if the Panasonic gets this fixed...amazing camera from what I can see, but an issue like that would keep me from using it on a professional shoot.
Yeah, exactly what I thought! Thanks for sharing your opinion
Wow, man! Thanks for the video! That’s a huge issue, wth, why nobody truly talked about this? It’s a dealbreaker for sure, it’s basically unusable.
I would never buy Panasonic anyway because of their braindead position on autofocus, but this just confirmed it for certain: from the leader of the industry in the video mirrorless world they’ve turned into a company that produces subpar products with major flaws. Screw this. It was the reason for me to switch from Canon a long time ago, and now Panasonic is going the same route. Pathetic.
But once again, big thanks for this extremely important video!
Thanks for watching! They do have really great cameras, I used them in so many commercial work. The quality is usually awesome. But the AF is of course a major flaw compared to others these days. But I know they're working on it.
But this streaking issue, was pretty unexpected. I'm now doubting their QC
The S1 has internal 6k, full frame, 4k 60 fps with a crop, no QC issues, etc. I dont know how you could judge all of Panasonic based on their attempt to push M43 beyond anyone else. The S5 and S1 are incredible quality, and have been supported so well through firmware. What's clear is that a larger sensor simply is king.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ spot on. The S5 is just insane value for money. Saw it was on sale for under $1500USD a week or two ago. 80% of my Sony a7S III capability (and exceeds in some cases) for ⅓ of the price. Agree the S1 is WAY in the shadows of the S1H. You can picked them up used for less than a GH6.
Meanwhile I'll continue to deal with my Sony's star eater issue....not like they have had long to fix that...oh wait...only since the gen 1 a7 series. Don't get me started on the Canon Cripple Cam marketing, the R5C is an amazing camera, but let's not pretend like Canon don't speed limit video on their hybrids to protect their cine line. Yes this streaking is an issue, and yes Panasonic's response is disappointing. It makes the GH6 a no go for anyone concerned about IQ, which would be one of the main drivers to upgrade from the GH5x line. One bad issue present in a particular scenario does not mean Panasonic have lost their relevance.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ They are decent cameras, sure, but with garbage AF. And unfortunately Panasonic is doing a “Canon” on us all by refusing to put a decent phase-detect AF there. I don’t like Cripple Hammers, I’ve been using Panasonic camera with shitty unreliable AF for long enough already, I don’t want that anymore in my life.
Thank you for this in depth review!
My pleasure, glad it was helpful
thanks, I was interested in that camera but fortunately I saw this video