Probably one of the most outstanding reviews on this camera. You cut to the chase, skipped over the specs that are reiterated in every video & gave a fair evaluation on the camera. Thank you. I’ve subscribed!
Thank you so much Omer for the amazing compliment. Your words are pushing me to do more videos like this. Hope you check out my other videos and would surely look forward to hearing from you soon. Happy Holidays buddy
@@psmontte Hahaah... I'd never be protective of any creative idea. As that's teh reason why i have this channel, to share my Journey. I created this in Apple Keynote ;)
I appreciate your great support and awesome words. Happy to know You find it intelligent & informative. I always intend to be objective, insightful and informative. Thanks again
Thanks for these excellent videos. Hyper brilliant work, sir. Much appreciated. M4/3 had its day at the wonderful start of the DSLR revolution. Oh, how I loved my GH4. But those days are now gone. The S1H and the Lumix S5 are now FULL FRAME, 5.9k RAW Prores, 422, 12 bit machines. There are no more questions to answer. I am a pro, generally rent rigs for shoots, but I keep an S5 as personal just for fun ...initially. I was trying to spot the difference between the Alexa (90k buckeroos) and my S5 which I picked up for 1,400 bucks. You cannot spot the difference in terms of image quality, very similar, but the Alexa is supper 35. I can get more bokeh out of the "full frame" S5 if I want it. I can get more long lens compression out of the S5 for any equivalent focal length, My highlight role off is better, my low light is better. I can frame a shot in a shoe box with a 16 mm lens! These Panny full frame rigs are the second massive revolution in cameras. AND, Panny just gave us phase detect for anyone who cannot turn a focus ring!!! There is just nothing else to discuss save for one thing- rolling shutter, no fast pans for action sequences. If Panny gave us a global shutter it would be time to leave the temple.
It’s so good to see someone with actual knowledge making really good content about this. Thanks for the graphics and well thought out script for the video! I can’t wait for the video oriented camera from Sony and how it will compare to the S1H and BMPCC6K
Thank you again Shrif for the informative video, I follow a lot of filmmakers, but I just get excited when I get a notification about your upload. I know I'm going to learn something. Or confirm my knowledge if I already knew something. Thank you again, I'm waiting on lighting and cinematography in general, as they are more beneficial than camera specs
Thank you so much buddy for the support... yeah every time I try to finish my other post about lighting... they release a new camera that’s worthy of an episode.. hahah. So yeah I’m back to working on the cinematography episodes
@@THEDPJOURNEY thank you man, I've found this passion last year and I dream of ideas, I've written already a short after reading some of John Campbell 's work, and Dan Harmon, and tons of videos. I want to shoot this short using Canon m50. So cinematography is what I'm lacking now to start. Thank you again
Outstanding review! You cover all the salient points and offer a great comparison to the BMPCC6K. As an owner of many generations of GH cameras including the GH5, and also the EVA1, I think the S1H to be a compelling product. I will wait to see how this product develops, but I am pleased to see this new direction from Panasonic. I would love to see internal ND filters on a hybrid camera, and better AF on Panasonic cameras, but for now I am pretty happy with hybrid cameras. Again, GREAT review, so thanks.
Thank you so much Dave for the awesome words of support, indeed the S1H is a great camera, a huge leap in the right direction. Of course as we know all cameras have pros and cons which is why many of us end up owning more than one camera. I’m Also looking forward to get the camera in my hands and see whether it would fulfill my needs or not. I just wish they had a better price tag on it though which makes me think twice about it. Thanks again
@@THEDPJOURNEY Your review is very well done, and I subscribed before even finishing the video. You make balanced points, both pro and con, and your use of motion graphics and editing is top notch. It's great to see a video like this that gets to the point without a bunch of opinionated rambling, so please keep up the great work. I agree the S1H price is a bit "bold", and Panasonic was probably locked into that price while unaware about the pending BMPCC6K. It is a price point where one has to give extra thought to the return on that investment, or if a cine camera for a little more $ would better suit them. There is also the L mount, which may be a good or bad thing depending on the end user. Of course, there is still no "perfect camera" that meets every one's needs, but this is such an amazing time to shoot video. My minimum bar is set at 4K 10bit, and there are plenty of options already. Adding 60P, higher bit rates and better codecs...it's all good and getting better. Now if one of these camera manufacturers would just add built-in ND filters! Even better would be the variable electronic ND filter like on my Sony FS5. One can dream, right?
Thansk again Dave for the support. You're one of the very few people that watched this [review objectively as I did intend it to be. Mentioning both goods and bads. People just like to surf the hype and excitement without really digging deep beyong the flashy specs. Again this is a great camera and I might end up owning it... but as you said "It is a price point where one has to give extra thought to the return on that investment". Couldn't have said it better. Thanks again for the support
Great to have someone keeping it real.... definitely an interesting and exciting camera. Will be testing and considering it as a B camera, but lets be honest- we’re all waiting for the A7s3 before pulling the trigger. If Sony decides to protect their higher end, it’s game on... I refuse to shoot in 8 bit in 2020. Done. This camera would REALLY benefit from useable autofocus for gimbal work to be a fantastic B camera... Exciting times, to be sure...
Thank you so much buddy. Keeping it real is what I aim for. Yeah I feel SONY is seeing a very aggressive market and My gut tells me they already had a camera but it didn’t match or exceed the amazing features we have in the cameras out there from BM and now from Lumix. But let’s wait and see. It might be a long wait
I think we should not expect something big with the A7S3, if it ever comes... Sony just release the $10k FX9 with the 4k60 full frame that everyone wishes in the A7S3, imo it's not coming in the A7 series. Honestly a 10bit 422 hdmi output with the existing specs of the A7iii, a GoPro 7 like digital image stabilization and a fully articulated (and fully touch) screen would be just perfect. Anyway, I'm so bored of waiting now, my savings have grown in a year and I'm about to pull the trigger on the new URSA mini pro G2 (S35 4.6k120p no crop in 12bit BM raw and ProRes 444 internally - YES!), for $5,995 ... pardon me? yes it's 5 lbs too, but man...
Excellent review and comparison of the S1H with the BM6k. Both cameras are on my watch list. Congrats to the cinematic look of your review and the motion graphics. The latter must have been a lot of work. All that together and the preview of a footage comparison once you'll have the camera in hands made me want to subscribe. Thanks!
I agree with you that 14+ stops of dynamic range most likely refers to RAW photos. Kind of a marketing move. All the footage I've seen on TH-cam doesn't give me much confidence that we're seeing any sort of jump in dynamic range over what's already available.
Exactly... I feel the filmmakers didn’t really shoot something that does the camera justice. And all of them were shot on a gimbal. Defying the whole purpose of how it has IBIS that can be used with Cine lenses.. let’s see when I get it then
The DR as a specification can be tricky. You have a 8-bit Sony Alpha with 14 stops, then you have this 10-bit S1H claiming 14+ stops, it's 17 stops at RED, while we have the most DR with an Arri - claiming 'only' 14 stops. There is already a good S1H vs Pocket 6k comparison online shooting the same scenes, where it's obvious that the S1H falls short (though you can never be sure if the comparison was executed properly, so they can be misleading as well as the dynamic range on paper...)
Excellent review. You surely deserve a lot higher sub rate based on the quality and information packed content here. Thanks for this great dive into the S1H!
Thank you so much for the awesome support. This channel’s content is literally less than a month old since I took the decision to take it serious and it’s been a great success in a very short time due to awesome people like you. Again I fee lucky to have such an amazing following and with your kind support I’ll hopefully gather more following over the months and years to come. Thanks again
Great video! Your visual description of the 8-16 bit vs dynamic range really helped put the different cameras in perspective. And feel more at peace with my which cantera I’ll get. BMPCC6K
Excellent breakdown! I've recorded a few clips with this camera and saw banding immediatly in the C4k 422 10 bit. I thought it must have been a mistake I made in the settings, but this idea of fitting 14 + stops into 10 bit makes sense now. Probably gonna hold off and/or look at BMPCC6K. Thanks!
Canon's C500 MKII's image stabilization is not IBIS though. As for the IBIS without the "hybrid", from memory, it only loses 0.5 stop of IS, so it's still 6-stops, so pretty good.
yes I'm aware it's a Digital IS which is still considered IBIS by the way as it's generated in the body, not in the lens. It's just a different type (Digital IBIS not mechanical IBIS). The way it works is by countering the info coming from the Gyro and Accelerometer. but yeah thats not the point actually... what i meant is how that feature is being introduced in a pro cinema setting, regardless of the type. Thanks again for the comment.
Ninja V + S1H add 4K 60fps 4.2.2 over HDMI. Though the BMPCC6K is amazing, to be used correctly still needs ringing, external monitor / EVF, batteries so this adds to the expense. S1H built like a tank weather sealing.
The ninja only adds a 2 to the 4:2:0 internal then. Agreed on the BM6K. Again those are the choices we need to pick from as filmmakers. Each could be good for specific shoots and bad for others. No perfect camera
@@kuau714 True... Prores is surely easier to work with. But again if you have an old computer it'd make much difference having the prores over the internal.
The 14+ stops of dynamic range claim is true. Ite an incredible sensor they are using. Compared to the GH5-S, EVA-1 and Sony FS7, the S1H smashes all of them. ( I have not worked with BM 6k yet) Nice video you made. One important thing to remember. Bit depth and log curves are important factors but one that you missed is signal to noise ratio. That is another huge factor as to how much dynamic range a camera has. The signal to noise ratio of the S1H is truely spectacular. (Likely using a Sony sensor like the IMX410) The BlackMagic 6k does not use a great sensor (possibly CMOSIS) and its lower signal to noise ratio is what is hurting it from reaching the S1H's incredible lattitude. Dont get me wrong, they are both wonferfull cameras but everything starts with the quality of the raw sensor output first. Bit depth sampling is second. 12bit...14bit or 16bit sampling on a lousy sensor accomplishes absolutely nothing. (Not saying BM 6k is lousy) The sensor must HAVE the signal to noise ratio and dynamic range first. No bit depth sampling will never "ADD" to a sensors quality. Higher bit depths ony promise to lake less away from it. Lemme say asagin....that S1H sensor is phenominal. Its the easily best sensor I have worked with to date.
Hey Cliff, thank you so much for the comment. I do agree the S1H is a great camera, I just shot a music video with it yesterday and it was great. The DR has been scientifically measured actually to be 13 stops: you'll find the article here: www.cinema5d.com/panasonic-s1h-lab-test-dynamic-range-and-rolling-shutter-results/ STN is surely a great factor in measuring the performance of any sensor. And surely the BM6K has a great performance on that front. The S1H also is performing relatively good. I need to do some comparison tests through to see how they stack against each other. And the bit depth, of course it all depends on whether it's 10-12bit linear or log. It'd be great to have it 10bit log... I wish :) Thanks again for the support Cliff! Hope to hear from you soon
@@THEDPJOURNEY - Yeah, these IMATEST charts are always extremely strict and conservative. Every camera they test will give a rating that is lower than what every camera company will state. I guess the most important thing is that they state that the S1 and S1H have the second highest dynamic range score of any other camera they have tested. Second only to ARRI. That is the most stunning take away. For me , knowing the Sony FS7 and GHS+GH5-S and EVA1 very well?...the S1H has the most dynamic range "I" have ever seen. It still keeps supprising me! Noise?...I still cant get over how amazing 4000 ISO looks with noise reduction pulled all the way back. I dont know who's sensor they are buying yet. But whatever is, it's truly expeptional and ground breaking.
@@clifftotten7609 yeah I honestly don't really care much about what the Brand says Vs what the tests say. But I do agree that the Dynamic range is pretty awesome from my preliminary test vs the GH5. Stay tuned in all cases for the review... Would surely love to reconnect with you and potentially discuss your findings as I'm preparing my review
@@THEDPJOURNEY BM6K was measured by the same people as under 12 stops. According to their tests s1h has better dynamic range than ANY black magic camera. Even better than high end cinema cameras like RED, Sony, all of them aside from Arri. So what you say about DR in this video is a little bit misleading, s1h has better dynamic range than the cameras you mention regardless of bit depth and you can record 12 bit externally to take advantage of the superior DR.
Superb comprehensive review and comparison. Initially thought the S1H specs were brilliant, but your thorough breakdown between it and the BMPCC 6K, shows it's limitations and what great value the BM is. Great channel, thank you. Wonder what Sony will bring?
Regarding ProRes RAW The ninja V is not going to record a regular video feed from the HDMI, but they figured out how to pump out RAW sensoroutput DATA over HDMI. So it’s not confined to the limits of HDMI for VIDEO, remember HDMI can also stream data besides audio&video
Yeah I actually got a call from Panasonic conforming that. Which would fulfill my “hope” that I mentioned at the end of that segment. I guess the word is out about that as I get they were trying to keep it a secret but you’re not the first one who mentioned that to me
regarding the RAW output, i'm assuming that to get around the video limitation of the DHMI 2.0 that the output over HDMI will be a data not video stream that the atomos will then encode at the other end.
His tools used to create his mind-blowing presentation were Apple Keynote, and mCamRig (free plugin for FCPX) from MotionVFX. Who would have thought -- two free tools? Great work, sir!
Wow... great review! Learned more here than any other review thus far on the Panasonic S1H. As well your education in HDR & colour depth, bitrate, and what and who this camera is really for. I consider myself a learning filmmaker moving over from 28 years as a Professional Photographer. Now I capture everything for tourism, document people & places, and still able to shoot breathtaking images. I come from the world of Nikon D and Bronica 645 series cameras into the GH series cameras and love them. Other than the obvious lowlight, AF, and limited image size for prints it's an all-in-one camera system that I can easily take anywhere and gives me most of what I need 90% of the time. Look forward to the future reviews on real world testing to see what the S1H can do! My end thoughts are, is it worth it for me to move into a much larger, heavier, FF camera spending this kind of money to start another system, or do I wait another year to see what Panasonic will come out with in the GH6? Ty 🍻
Thank you so much for your awesome comment. Yeah I guess we live in a battlefield now between really great cameras. I feel lucky to be witnessing this amazing surge in the camera technologies. I feel really undeceive as well. now the S1H announced the RAW recording and I feel it's a very exciting camera. But again the price is pretty high RELATIVELY. So I'm really debating if I really need it or not. Gotta try it out. But in the meantime the GH5 with Speedbooster is still a very awesome camera. I feel the GH6 would be a similar version of the S1H, i mean maybe more 422 10bit formats, maybe higher speeds, maybe improved AI focus. Maayyyyybe RAW external.. God knows. It'd be wise to wait till NAB 2020 i would say
Thanks for the in-depth presentation on this camera. Hoping that the a7S III (whenever it comes out) will be competitive, since good competition between manufacturers benefits all of us filmmakers.
Great video! Just found you now and so happy I have :D I think I am sold on the camera because I do a lot of photography as well and running and gunning in general. It seem to have everything I need except for excellent AF but that's okay. Looking forward to you getting it and looking forward to getting it myself as well!
I can tell you took your time and this video is outstanding, not bias, and very informative! IMO you only missed out punch in while recording to check focus that is a major drawback for using MF. Thanks - I've subscribed
Thank yo so much Pedro for the support. Yeah there's so much info that I chose to let go honestly as the video is already long as you can see. Didn't want to scare people off :) thanks again for the sub
Fantastic graphics and information. Got a new subscriber. I'm a hybrid professional using the GH5 and I'm tempted by the S1H but I can't see them selling too many of the whole S line to be honest, especially with the current price tags and limitations. There just seems to be too many market misses between the lineup for me personally and I think they could combine all 3 cameras into the perfect hybrid. Especially that tilt - flip screen from the S1H. That is the future right there. Look forward to the 2nd generation if there is one.
yeah if you don't have sigma EF lenses then it might not make much sense to you. I'd wait. GH5 is a GREAT camera, check my latest video about the GH5 and the music video I shot with it. th-cam.com/video/ah9oW1DMyRs/w-d-xo.html
Uhhhh, happily, your initial thoughts about the RAW output update option was partially incorrect :) Although it did turn out to be Prores, as you thought it would be, it is 12 bits @ 4:4:4 colour precision :) So no loss there, but big loss with Prores Raw format, because it's still under development, and is basicly still in a BETA version. No ISO or other control like with RedCode RAW- Yet ! I am hopefull this will change.
As I viewed this video again for the second time I was again so impressed with how thorough you have been in your exploration of this camera’s key features and relevant comparisons to the main contenders from Canon, Sony and Blackmagic. One thing occurred to me as I picked up more info this time and that is the addition of a MFT to L-Mount speed booster and what that may offer. One of the drawbacks as you pointed out is that if you want to go native with lenses on this then you’d have to add a hefty chunk to your budget to include a complement of lenses which if you want decent glass would triple or quadruple the total investment easily. But if you can not only use existing MFT lenses and also gain a stop in the process this starts to get interesting given the possibility of full-frame and 10 bit 4:2:2 at base frame rates. Hmmm ... I am waffling back and forth between this choice, the GH5-S and the BMPCC 4/6K camera’s for a docu-series I’m producing here and wonder if you have any further thoughts on this since making your video. I know you said you’d be posting a further review and I wait anxiously for that release but in the meantime, do you mind telling me which option you would favor of the above mentioned choices?
Thanks again for your support to the channel and your appreciation of the details and research that lead to this thorough preview... About native lenses.. I guess whoever is planning to buy them is probably someone who won't have money as an issue. Maybe a rental house or a production company, I don't see an indie filmmaker buying this camera with a set of Leica lenses, especially not the first generation. As for your question... i personally now tend to shoot more on my BM4K as i prefer its look, and the fact it shoots 10 bit prores. BUT, i always miss so many things from the GH5, namely small size... super light weight... battery life... articulated screen... etc... So honestly if I were you, GH5 is more for run and gun, maybe Documentary where speed and practicality wins over final quality, not Docu-Series, where I assume you'd have a more controlled environment. Which is better for BM. Don't get me wrong... GH5 looks pretty good as well, but needs more work to look as good as BM. On another note I'm finishing up another analysis about the S1H and their new RAW ProRes announcement via ATOMOS Ninja V.. so stay tuned, it'll be interesting!
THE DP JOURNEY I mentioned this in a comment on your other video but if you did set up a rig with an Atomos Ninja V and articulating screen off the rig and removed the BM screen from the back you could in theory use that inverse USB-C port for output to the Ninja for Prores Raw recording direct could you not? Provided BM do the firmware update for that?
@@reginaldworthington7558 Well, the BM USB-C is used as a data cable to transfer data, not video signal. So sending data signal to ATOMOS will make you gain anything, as ATOMOS will see it as data, not ProRes raw Video signal. BM and ATOMOS need to agree on a protocol for that which is what's happening with the the S1H I'm actually about to release a new video covering that subject
THE DP JOURNEY ah I wasn’t aware it was limited to that. Thanks for a little more education. Will be watching for your next vid and again, thanks for taking time to reply.
Very good info & Very well executed infografic. The only thing wrong is that the C500 m2 doesn't have 5 axis ibis. It has a new giroscope based digital stabilization. Thanks for the analysis.
Thanks for the support! I actually never said the c500 has “5axis IBIS” I only said “canon added added image stabilization...” 😉, and yes I am aware that it’s an electronic stabilization unlike the S1H. Thanks again for the support
*Hi: As you probably know by now, the compromises you were originally concerned about in this video for RAW output have all gone away. As the output is 12 bit and not 10, plus the stated format of Prores Raw is a 4:4:4 colour space, so any so called, compromised colour information is also circumvented. Also the Ninja and S1H with the proper firmware update can also output 6K resolution Prores Raw, so you don't loose one of the main selling points of this camera either.*
Also struggling with decision if should go with the Pocket 6k or the S1H. Pocket 6k footage is phenomenal, it’s a bummer you can’t record 4k in raw plus the battery life sucks. But the awesome picture quality really got me thinking 🤔. Tough one🙆🏽♂️
Interesting analysis. There sure is a Lot of information to process... So many choices today, and one has to consider the long term investment into a system... For me, a mirrorless camera will always be a B Camera for gimbal, handheld on the street shooting, etc. The L Mount system looks very interesting to me, assuming Panasonic's next EVA is L Mount, with 12 bit RAW, and ND and XLR. For me, the RF lenses Canon is making, combined with their best in class autofocus, looks extremely interesting. I expect a 10 bit 422 R Mount camera from Canon next year, so that should be kept in mind. A real shame the Canon C500 M2 is still EF, on the bright side, with EF lenses, on gets Canon's Variable ND adapter on R mount.... a lot weigh up... If Panasonic's autofocus was useable, there would be a lot more people jumping ship...
Yeah mirrorless could be B cams if you’re talking about cinema cameras as A cams. But again it all depends at what you usually work on. Keep in mind NETFLIX just approved the S1H as a camera they can shoot original content for them. Proving how awesome it is compared to Vatican. In all cases it’s just the first gen... let’s see how their next gen would be... not before 3 years from now is my prediction
@@THEDPJOURNEY I shoot documentaries, so have need of ND and XLR. So I have my A camera that is the battle ready workhorse, and then small camera for being less conspicuous, or on a gimbal, in a vehicle etc. (and as a backup in case of disaster when on the road, which has happened). I have been using Sony cameras, and one advantage is that all their cameras- from a6300 to Venice-share the same mount, and that you can put any lens on the mount. This is huge. Sony are really falling behind with their video codecs (and their new full frame FX9 is less htan inspiring), so am looking at my options. The L Mount and the R mount will hopefully be the future of Panasonic and Canon Cine cameras. When Canon and Sony make 10 bit 422 mirrorless camera- probably in 2020, Panasonic had better of sorted out their video autofocus, or I don't see them succeeding... Having said that, I am thinking of getting the S1H for handheld shooting with the tons of old glass I have...
I think its kind of a misunerstanding from his side. The hdmisignal is a debayered signal with baked in values för rgb. While a raw output would use the hdmiport as dataconnection to transfer the raw data from the sensor which would give you chices like whitebalance and tint. It is also not locked to 10 bit. It is probably 12bit depending on the sensor. The portrayal of 12 vs 10bit was also kind of weird and misleading. 8-bit looks great as a deliveryformat for sdr. And if you have ever seen a log signal it occupies say half to a quarter of the signal. Since 10 bit has four times the nuances. One could argue that 10 bit is enough for log to be streched out to a nice 8-bit delivery.
I would love to chime in a bit about the RAW part. AFAIK, 16bit Linear RAW files from the Sony and RED are equivalent to 12bit log RAW files found on the Arri Alexa. It is a kind of data-saving method and does not affect the image as much. FYI Sony and RED are providing "visually-lossless" compressed RAW, while ARRI is uncompressed, I think that shows ARRI believes that it's better to have a 12bit log uncompressed. www.arri.com/en/learn-help/learn-help-camera-system/camera-workflow/image-science/frequently-asked-questions-on-hdr#accordion-44150 We have to see what will Panasonic do on the S1H. EVA1 is outputting 10bit log RAW, I will be surprised if S1H could do 12bit Log RAW.
I'm a GH5s user for mostly videography and had been planning on upgrading this year. I eagerly await your review because the biggest draw for me is the IBIS, increased dynamic range, and full v-log!
Do you have a tutorial for the transitions at 20:20? The illustrations look so sick btw! Love how you animated the camera to give it a shallow depth of field look and control where we focus our attention. Made the information easier to digest and more interesting to look at. And the transitions look so cool! Reminds me of a mix between Handy Seemless Transitions and watching the built in ND filter swipe in front of the lens on the EVA1. So cool!
thank you so much for the kind words and compliments. I mainly use MotionVFX plugins on FCPX. You'll find the link tot he transition in the description ;) 👍
I think the raw out will not be the 4k 10bit video out but a different raw format and so could be whatever they can squeeze through the pipe. Hopefully 12bit.
I was thinking of getting one of this, however after watching your review I'd rather wait and do more research. Very well-explained and informative. Keep it up. I've subscribed.
Thank you so much for such a detailed breakdown! Specs wise it seems that BMPCC6K tops the S1H, but when it comes to overall image "feel" the S1H is to me much more pleasing since it's closer to a soft buttery Alexa aesthetics, while the Blackmagic is closer to a harsh Red aesthetics and no color correction can fix that. If only the price wasn't at $4000 mark, this is too high for sure, I don't know why Japanese brands keep the prices so high and refuse to adapt to the new market
Actually i love the color science of the BM6K, but agreed that the V-Log of the S1H is pretty Alexa-ish... I'll be testing it on a shoot soon and will hopefully release my review right after
I've never been able to pin point or even find an explanation on the difference between bitdepth and dynamic range. i knew the difference before but you have fucking crushed it and I actually learned something. like, sub, and ill refer this vid to others.
Can you make a video about the announced RAW recording using the ninja V I know you mention it in this video but now that you know what it’s offering while it be better quality?
10bit "linear" raw cant cover 14+ stops. This is where logarithmic mappings come into play. You CAN hold 14stops in a log curve in 10bit. Many people don't know that the EVA-1's raw is not linear. They only sample 10bit raw values but they log curve them and map them that way. Sony does linear FS raw in 12bit floating point math. The EVA-1 uses raw 10bit log integer math.
It can mathematically but you are absolutely correct, visually the linear mapping will basically destroy all luma resolution in the parts that are most important to human vision. Thanks for your comment 👍
This is the best presented camera comparison video I’ve ever seen. Those graphics! Do you do them yourself? About the dynamic range - I tested the S1 against the GH5 and found an additional 1 and 2/3 stops highlights before clipping. That for me is the reason I’ll be buying it. The highlight rolloff has dramatically improved from the GH5 which is my current camera. Thanks again.
Thank you so much for the kind words. Yeah I do the motion graphics myself. Well that’s good to hear about the image improvement. I’m looking forward to get the camera and put it to the test
Hi DP Journey, Awesome and professional video. Well thought out and your efforts shows it! New sub. I’m just starting out so I have been playing around with A73 for stills, GH5 for videos, but upgrading to S1H to do both. It’s one too many system to learn even though there is some overlap in the basics. Was able to get on the preorder in UK and shipped to US (no VAT) and includes the XLR audio adapter which I can sell off, making the cost abt ~USD$3200, which is in striking distance to be reasonably priced, especially if you geared up the BMPCC 6k to be relatively close enough (at least for me). Also, the Sigma lens options available now reduces the overall cost of the body. I think it ends this month. Aside from the use cases and shooting style, I think the total cost of ownership needs to be considered here as I’m assuming as a pro, ease of workflow to produce quality work reduces the time cost. Other costs I think that needs to also be factored in such as crew cost, lighting and audio, computers/laptops, software cost, lens collection, etc. and really time honored skills and art (i.e. experience). Although it’s good times to be in with all the options and new tech, to start from beginning as I am now, it’s a lot to digest, let alone time the learning curve. Trying to average up by taking courses, sitting on countless sets from friends and pros in the field, unless you have a crew that divides the subject matter work and the clients pays for it, the costs adds up quickly. From purely video and value, looks like the BMPCC 4k is best value and if you need 6k, then that’ll be the option. What’s your choice between the 3 cams, BMPCC 4k, 6k, or S1H?
Hey, well I actually have the same cameras... I use the A7iii for photos. GH5/BM4K/S1H for videos. There's no camera that's good for everything... so i choose the camera based on the project honestly. I will be releasing a video talking about choosing the best camera for your project and guiding you on how to choose it. Maybe that would help you a bit. Thanks again for you comment and contribution.
hahaha... You noticing this flash frame is a proof that you were paying so much attention past the 20 min mark! I'm really flattered you had that level of attention that far in the video. I'll take that as a compliment ;) and yes other people noticed it and pointed it out actually... Thanks again for the support. Hope to hear from you again
I need to test it first... but The price, the LMount are the main things that are pushing me away. Gotta year it and see if the quality will set me on a decision. But I don’t think I will buy it. I feel in a year’s time blackmagic would bring us a full frame raw camera
Terrific review. Great level of detail For me I’ll be waiting for the successor, something that can do full frame at 50/60p. Internally recorded raw is also now a requirement for me
Agreed with others comments on your thoroughness in your videos. I watched this one on S1H and the two on ProResRaw. Question ... Do you think the S1H using SD vs CF express is not a disadvantage? I suppose there is no need for the speed of CFexpress? ... but are the XQD with similar SD speeds more robust? It is good there are 2 SD cards with the continuous write and backup modes. Thanks again.
No I see it as an advantage as the camera’s write speed limit is where SD card limits are. I do believe the next generation will have CFExpress... since they capped out the speed now and you can see that we need SSD now to record higher data rates
Thanks for the breakdown. It would be nice to hear your thoughts on Open Gate. That is the feature that keeps me on the S1 rather than long for the S1H. I think the price is fair. Think of Canon 1DX II. It’s a perfect hybrid in my mind. But I think the value of the S1 with very similar results as the S1H is the clear winner for me. I do wish someone would talk about Open Gate on both cams and describe (the way you do so well) what exactly we’re getting with Open Gate compared to the 76mbs 4:2:0 of their beloved 6K. I just shot a whole College video on the S1 in Open Gate and I was stunned at the color, dynamic range and clean signal. Thanks for your work!
I’ve been looking forward to this review! Thank you for going into such detail & conforming my suspicions. My first reaction was no Raw? 2 SD cards (no XQD)? only 10bit? and of course, the price. $4000 puts the S1H into a different category, with higher expectations, especially Raw & 12bit. If it had perfect autofocus, then it would be super appealing for handheld shots or low/no budget indie short films/ music videos. Sony will release several cameras, a9ii? for around the same price, perfect autofocus, FF & 10bit? 8k? as well as, a7siii, for ~$3000, 6k? 10bit? If you want to go hybrid, as many ppl do, autofocus is necessary. If you want to go full cinema, ZCam F6 (FF,Raw) easily beats the S1H. And, now, the ZCam S6 (Super35, Raw) is only $3000! The main point here is, all these smaller cameras have exceeded internal recording capabilities to SD cards. Full cinema cameras have 12G SDI ports for a reason and record internally to XQD, CFast2.0 or to SSD’s. Can the Panasonic S1H use it’s electronic hot shoe to house a new adaptor we haven’t seen yet with SDI? That would be the game changer that turns the S1H into full cinema camera, (recording Raw to SDI recorder). That being said, I’m loving the footage so far & can’t wait to test it out. I’m guessing an EVA2 will be out soon, with expanded recording options, Raw & of course built-NDs. I look forward to your testing of this camera, and ZCam S6 & F6 to your testing queue. Thanks again! Where can we watch the astronaut film?
Yeah I guess EVA2 will be out as well! Thank you so much for the great comment! Agree with everything so far 👍 The astronauts film is on the Panasonic TH-cam, they didn’t do a great job promoting them
THE DP JOURNEY Did you hear the news? The EVA1 can now record in BlackMagic RAW via BlackMagic’s new recorders!! I’m waiting for the S1H BRaw announcement....
@@THEDPJOURNEY ok, but it's 2hours long.. th-cam.com/video/UxR9aGDSSuM/w-d-xo.html (at around 52min? after Grant talks about the smaller recorder). BRaw for EVA1 & C300ii (so far..).
Yeah, their color science and RAW capture. Forget it. But they are such a pain to shoot with that I am keeping my S1. Ive done BM fro years and it’s such a pain for my run and gun over seas work.
i think for event-type shooters, they will go with S1H before the pocket. Weddings, events...i would pick the S1H before the P6K. But you know what, this prove that you can own both (if your a working pro) and pick one cam over the other depending on the job.
Probably one of the most outstanding reviews on this camera. You cut to the chase, skipped over the specs that are reiterated in every video & gave a fair evaluation on the camera. Thank you. I’ve subscribed!
Thank you so much Omer for the amazing compliment. Your words are pushing me to do more videos like this. Hope you check out my other videos and would surely look forward to hearing from you soon. Happy Holidays buddy
THE DP JOURNEY No problem, I look forward to watching the rest. Happy holidays
Gotta say your motion graphics and charts are the best in the camera world. Well done!
Thank you so much for the kind words... Really appreciate it 😀
I 2nd that!
@@psmontte Hahaah... I'd never be protective of any creative idea. As that's teh reason why i have this channel, to share my Journey. I created this in Apple Keynote ;)
@@THEDPJOURNEY wow!
He uses both Apple Keynote and mCamRig (free plugin for FCPX).
Intelligent, no stupid screaming hype, informative & great intel. I’m a subscriber to your great channel. Thank you. A brilliant break down.
I appreciate your great support and awesome words. Happy to know You find it intelligent & informative. I always intend to be objective, insightful and informative. Thanks again
Forgot to mention that I love your channel ID name! 😉👍
also no 3 minute breaks to plug sponsors like squarespace
Thanks for these excellent videos. Hyper brilliant work, sir. Much appreciated. M4/3 had its day at the wonderful start of the DSLR revolution. Oh, how I loved my GH4. But those days are now gone. The S1H and the Lumix S5 are now FULL FRAME, 5.9k RAW Prores, 422, 12 bit machines. There are no more questions to answer. I am a pro, generally rent rigs for shoots, but I keep an S5 as personal just for fun ...initially. I was trying to spot the difference between the Alexa (90k buckeroos) and my S5 which I picked up for 1,400 bucks. You cannot spot the difference in terms of image quality, very similar, but the Alexa is supper 35. I can get more bokeh out of the "full frame" S5 if I want it. I can get more long lens compression out of the S5 for any equivalent focal length, My highlight role off is better, my low light is better. I can frame a shot in a shoe box with a 16 mm lens! These Panny full frame rigs are the second massive revolution in cameras. AND, Panny just gave us phase detect for anyone who cannot turn a focus ring!!! There is just nothing else to discuss save for one thing- rolling shutter, no fast pans for action sequences. If Panny gave us a global shutter it would be time to leave the temple.
In past 8 years this is the first product review I watched without getting bored and skipping even a second.... Great job
My pleasure. Really happy you enjoyed it
You cut through the noise, look beyond the specs and deliver a seemingly unbiased view. Amazing. Shared this in the GH5/GH5s group
I second that motion
you trying to start a blood bath put it in the s1/s1h group lol
@@nicholasboule5134 I'll leave that to you! I bet the S1/S1H group would riot and flip cars 🌊
Thanks Jon... really appreciate your support. Great to hear that my honest opinion is opening eyes
No one is perfect, but you are nearest to perfection in your videos. Thanks a million. So much love from Nigeria
Kayode.... this is so humbling, I really hope I live up to this awesome comment. Cheers to you and Nigeria from New York
It’s so good to see someone with actual knowledge making really good content about this. Thanks for the graphics and well thought out script for the video! I can’t wait for the video oriented camera from Sony and how it will compare to the S1H and BMPCC6K
Thanks for the complements! Yeah SONY seem to be sleeping for some reason... let’s wait and see
Thank you again Shrif for the informative video, I follow a lot of filmmakers, but I just get excited when I get a notification about your upload. I know I'm going to learn something. Or confirm my knowledge if I already knew something.
Thank you again, I'm waiting on lighting and cinematography in general, as they are more beneficial than camera specs
Thank you so much buddy for the support... yeah every time I try to finish my other post about lighting... they release a new camera that’s worthy of an episode.. hahah. So yeah I’m back to working on the cinematography episodes
@@THEDPJOURNEY thank you man, I've found this passion last year and I dream of ideas, I've written already a short after reading some of John Campbell 's work, and Dan Harmon, and tons of videos. I want to shoot this short using Canon m50. So cinematography is what I'm lacking now to start.
Thank you again
So glad to have subscribed to your channel. I don't remember anyone as knowledgable and PRO as you. I hope that you have 100,000 subs by next year.
Really appreciate your support Bill, your words will surely push me forward and hopefully with everyone else’s support I’ll reach the 100,000 😊👍
Bill Robaire Amen to that!
Your explanations using graphical representations, i.e. at 4:20 are fabulos and the best in the YT realm!
Outstanding review! You cover all the salient points and offer a great comparison to the BMPCC6K. As an owner of many generations of GH cameras including the GH5, and also the EVA1, I think the S1H to be a compelling product. I will wait to see how this product develops, but I am pleased to see this new direction from Panasonic. I would love to see internal ND filters on a hybrid camera, and better AF on Panasonic cameras, but for now I am pretty happy with hybrid cameras. Again, GREAT review, so thanks.
Thank you so much Dave for the awesome words of support, indeed the S1H is a great camera, a huge leap in the right direction. Of course as we know all cameras have pros and cons which is why many of us end up owning more than one camera. I’m Also looking forward to get the camera in my hands and see whether it would fulfill my needs or not. I just wish they had a better price tag on it though which makes me think twice about it. Thanks again
@@THEDPJOURNEY Your review is very well done, and I subscribed before even finishing the video. You make balanced points, both pro and con, and your use of motion graphics and editing is top notch. It's great to see a video like this that gets to the point without a bunch of opinionated rambling, so please keep up the great work.
I agree the S1H price is a bit "bold", and Panasonic was probably locked into that price while unaware about the pending BMPCC6K. It is a price point where one has to give extra thought to the return on that investment, or if a cine camera for a little more $ would better suit them. There is also the L mount, which may be a good or bad thing depending on the end user.
Of course, there is still no "perfect camera" that meets every one's needs, but this is such an amazing time to shoot video. My minimum bar is set at 4K 10bit, and there are plenty of options already. Adding 60P, higher bit rates and better codecs...it's all good and getting better. Now if one of these camera manufacturers would just add built-in ND filters! Even better would be the variable electronic ND filter like on my Sony FS5. One can dream, right?
Thansk again Dave for the support. You're one of the very few people that watched this [review objectively as I did intend it to be. Mentioning both goods and bads. People just like to surf the hype and excitement without really digging deep beyong the flashy specs. Again this is a great camera and I might end up owning it... but as you said "It is a price point where one has to give extra thought to the return on that investment". Couldn't have said it better. Thanks again for the support
One of the best reviews (TH-cam) on Panasonic SH1 and comparative analysis. Bravo!!!
Thank you so much for the awesome support. I’m glad you liked it. Stay tuned for more to be uploaded today actually
The stabilization on the c500mkii is digital. It works like the EVA-1. The sensor doesn't move like the GH5 or S1H.
Yeah I know. But that wasn’t the point I was trying to make. Thanks anyway 😉
You're an absolutely great teacher. This TH-cam video sets the high bar for mastering video+graphics+stills. I'm now a fanboy.
Thank you so much Dan for the awesome support! Really happy you liked it. Working on a lot more stuff. Stay tuned
This video is so well done man, thanks for the effort and info!
Thank you so much, I appreciate your support 👍
Great to have someone keeping it real.... definitely an interesting and exciting camera. Will be testing and considering it as a B camera, but lets be honest- we’re all waiting for the A7s3 before pulling the trigger. If Sony decides to protect their higher end, it’s game on... I refuse to shoot in 8 bit in 2020. Done. This camera would REALLY benefit from useable autofocus for gimbal work to be a fantastic B camera... Exciting times, to be sure...
Thank you so much buddy. Keeping it real is what I aim for. Yeah I feel SONY is seeing a very aggressive market and My gut tells me they already had a camera but it didn’t match or exceed the amazing features we have in the cameras out there from BM and now from Lumix. But let’s wait and see. It might be a long wait
I think we should not expect something big with the A7S3, if it ever comes... Sony just release the $10k FX9 with the 4k60 full frame that everyone wishes in the A7S3, imo it's not coming in the A7 series. Honestly a 10bit 422 hdmi output with the existing specs of the A7iii, a GoPro 7 like digital image stabilization and a fully articulated (and fully touch) screen would be just perfect.
Anyway, I'm so bored of waiting now, my savings have grown in a year and I'm about to pull the trigger on the new URSA mini pro G2 (S35 4.6k120p no crop in 12bit BM raw and ProRes 444 internally - YES!), for $5,995 ... pardon me? yes it's 5 lbs too, but man...
Love the excellent production values of all your videos. Thanks for taking the time to produce such well considered content!
It’s my pleasure! Thanks for the support
I find myself really enjoying your videos. Everything from the graphics to the pacing. Well done!
Wow best review I have seen of any camera in 10 years
WOW!!! Thanks Ger! That's great to hear
Great review! I see this camera as a rental for most. Looking forward to a few years from now when there are more lenses on the market.
yeah I kind of feel the same
5 min of watching and already my favourite review of this cam.... as usual in this chanel
Thanks again Stéphane! Always a pleasure hearing back from you
Excellent review and comparison of the S1H with the BM6k. Both cameras are on my watch list. Congrats to the cinematic look of your review and the motion graphics. The latter must have been a lot of work. All that together and the preview of a footage comparison once you'll have the camera in hands made me want to subscribe. Thanks!
I agree with you that 14+ stops of dynamic range most likely refers to RAW photos. Kind of a marketing move. All the footage I've seen on TH-cam doesn't give me much confidence that we're seeing any sort of jump in dynamic range over what's already available.
Exactly... I feel the filmmakers didn’t really shoot something that does the camera justice. And all of them were shot on a gimbal. Defying the whole purpose of how it has IBIS that can be used with Cine lenses.. let’s see when I get it then
Phillip R Peck not to mention the ppl who have put out footage always have atleast 1-2 really really noisy shots.
The DR as a specification can be tricky. You have a 8-bit Sony Alpha with 14 stops, then you have this 10-bit S1H claiming 14+ stops, it's 17 stops at RED, while we have the most DR with an Arri - claiming 'only' 14 stops. There is already a good S1H vs Pocket 6k comparison online shooting the same scenes, where it's obvious that the S1H falls short (though you can never be sure if the comparison was executed properly, so they can be misleading as well as the dynamic range on paper...)
Excellent review. You surely deserve a lot higher sub rate based on the quality and information packed content here. Thanks for this great dive into the S1H!
Thank you so much for the awesome support. This channel’s content is literally less than a month old since I took the decision to take it serious and it’s been a great success in a very short time due to awesome people like you. Again I fee lucky to have such an amazing following and with your kind support I’ll hopefully gather more following over the months and years to come. Thanks again
Great video! Your visual description of the 8-16 bit vs dynamic range really helped put the different cameras in perspective. And feel more at peace with my which cantera I’ll get. BMPCC6K
Thanks buddy. Glad you found it useful. 👍
@@THEDPJOURNEY I also liked your visual description of bit and DR , As many companies cameras make outlandish claims of 15-16 dynamic range.
Thanks buddy. Yeah DR... 6k... and all other impressive specs are becoming marketing points. I do hope I’m wrong... so let’s see. Test will tell
Excellent breakdown! I've recorded a few clips with this camera and saw banding immediatly in the C4k 422 10 bit. I thought it must have been a mistake I made in the settings, but this idea of fitting 14 + stops into 10 bit makes sense now. Probably gonna hold off and/or look at BMPCC6K. Thanks!
Yeah I havent tested it yet, but I feel this will be the case... I'll confirm soon once i stress test it
Canon's C500 MKII's image stabilization is not IBIS though. As for the IBIS without the "hybrid", from memory, it only loses 0.5 stop of IS, so it's still 6-stops, so pretty good.
yes I'm aware it's a Digital IS which is still considered IBIS by the way as it's generated in the body, not in the lens. It's just a different type (Digital IBIS not mechanical IBIS). The way it works is by countering the info coming from the Gyro and Accelerometer. but yeah thats not the point actually... what i meant is how that feature is being introduced in a pro cinema setting, regardless of the type. Thanks again for the comment.
THE DP JOURNEY no one uses the term “digital ibis”... it is either “eis” for electronic image stabilization or “ibis” for a stabilized sensor
I feel you’re missing the point on that part of the video and getting hooked on naming technicalities.
It's the first time on your channel. I discovered a talented, intelligent man. Thank you.
Thank you so much for the compliments. Really happy you find that useful. Working on a the full review. So stay tuned
Ninja V + S1H add 4K 60fps 4.2.2 over HDMI. Though the BMPCC6K is amazing, to be used correctly still needs ringing, external monitor / EVF, batteries so this adds to the expense. S1H built like a tank weather sealing.
The ninja only adds a 2 to the 4:2:0 internal then. Agreed on the BM6K. Again those are the choices we need to pick from as filmmakers. Each could be good for specific shoots and bad for others. No perfect camera
THE DP JOURNEY and pro res if thats your cup of tea
@@kuau714 True... Prores is surely easier to work with. But again if you have an old computer it'd make much difference having the prores over the internal.
The 14+ stops of dynamic range claim is true. Ite an incredible sensor they are using. Compared to the GH5-S, EVA-1 and Sony FS7, the S1H smashes all of them. ( I have not worked with BM 6k yet) Nice video you made. One important thing to remember. Bit depth and log curves are important factors but one that you missed is signal to noise ratio. That is another huge factor as to how much dynamic range a camera has. The signal to noise ratio of the S1H is truely spectacular. (Likely using a Sony sensor like the IMX410) The BlackMagic 6k does not use a great sensor (possibly CMOSIS) and its lower signal to noise ratio is what is hurting it from reaching the S1H's incredible lattitude. Dont get me wrong, they are both wonferfull cameras but everything starts with the quality of the raw sensor output first. Bit depth sampling is second. 12bit...14bit or 16bit sampling on a lousy sensor accomplishes absolutely nothing. (Not saying BM 6k is lousy) The sensor must HAVE the signal to noise ratio and dynamic range first. No bit depth sampling will never "ADD" to a sensors quality. Higher bit depths ony promise to lake less away from it. Lemme say asagin....that S1H sensor is phenominal. Its the easily best sensor I have worked with to date.
Hey Cliff, thank you so much for the comment. I do agree the S1H is a great camera, I just shot a music video with it yesterday and it was great. The DR has been scientifically measured actually to be 13 stops: you'll find the article here: www.cinema5d.com/panasonic-s1h-lab-test-dynamic-range-and-rolling-shutter-results/
STN is surely a great factor in measuring the performance of any sensor. And surely the BM6K has a great performance on that front. The S1H also is performing relatively good. I need to do some comparison tests through to see how they stack against each other. And the bit depth, of course it all depends on whether it's 10-12bit linear or log. It'd be great to have it 10bit log... I wish :) Thanks again for the support Cliff! Hope to hear from you soon
@@THEDPJOURNEY - Yeah, these IMATEST charts are always extremely strict and conservative. Every camera they test will give a rating that is lower than what every camera company will state. I guess the most important thing is that they state that the S1 and S1H have the second highest dynamic range score of any other camera they have tested. Second only to ARRI. That is the most stunning take away. For me , knowing the Sony FS7 and GHS+GH5-S and EVA1 very well?...the S1H has the most dynamic range "I" have ever seen. It still keeps supprising me! Noise?...I still cant get over how amazing 4000 ISO looks with noise reduction pulled all the way back. I dont know who's sensor they are buying yet. But whatever is, it's truly expeptional and ground breaking.
@@clifftotten7609 yeah I honestly don't really care much about what the Brand says Vs what the tests say. But I do agree that the Dynamic range is pretty awesome from my preliminary test vs the GH5. Stay tuned in all cases for the review... Would surely love to reconnect with you and potentially discuss your findings as I'm preparing my review
@@THEDPJOURNEY BM6K was measured by the same people as under 12 stops. According to their tests s1h has better dynamic range than ANY black magic camera. Even better than high end cinema cameras like RED, Sony, all of them aside from Arri. So what you say about DR in this video is a little bit misleading, s1h has better dynamic range than the cameras you mention regardless of bit depth and you can record 12 bit externally to take advantage of the superior DR.
That was an awesome breakdown of bit-depth vs dynamic range. Great work.
Thank you so much Alexander, glad you found it informative.
Great review.. Thanks again for such a detailed informative description. Really appreciate your work!
Thanks for the support 😉
Superb comprehensive review and comparison. Initially thought the S1H specs were brilliant, but your thorough breakdown between it and the BMPCC 6K, shows it's limitations and what great value the BM is. Great channel, thank you. Wonder what Sony will bring?
Thank you so much for the awesome support. I’m glad I can offer some insights and connect the dots that went under the radar. Cheers
THE BEST REVIEW OF S1H, CONGRATULATIONS!!
Regarding ProRes RAW The ninja V is not going to record a regular video feed from the HDMI, but they figured out how to pump out RAW sensoroutput DATA over HDMI. So it’s not confined to the limits of HDMI for VIDEO, remember HDMI can also stream data besides audio&video
Yeah I actually got a call from Panasonic conforming that. Which would fulfill my “hope” that I mentioned at the end of that segment. I guess the word is out about that as I get they were trying to keep it a secret but you’re not the first one who mentioned that to me
regarding the RAW output, i'm assuming that to get around the video limitation of the DHMI 2.0 that the output over HDMI will be a data not video stream that the atomos will then encode at the other end.
His tools used to create his mind-blowing presentation were Apple Keynote, and mCamRig (free plugin for FCPX) from MotionVFX. Who would have thought -- two free tools? Great work, sir!
Really happy you likes the outcome. Thanks for the awesome support
Wow... great review! Learned more here than any other review thus far on the Panasonic S1H. As well your education in HDR & colour depth, bitrate, and what and who this camera is really for. I consider myself a learning filmmaker moving over from 28 years as a Professional Photographer. Now I capture everything for tourism, document people & places, and still able to shoot breathtaking images. I come from the world of Nikon D and Bronica 645 series cameras into the GH series cameras and love them. Other than the obvious lowlight, AF, and limited image size for prints it's an all-in-one camera system that I can easily take anywhere and gives me most of what I need 90% of the time. Look forward to the future reviews on real world testing to see what the S1H can do! My end thoughts are, is it worth it for me to move into a much larger, heavier, FF camera spending this kind of money to start another system, or do I wait another year to see what Panasonic will come out with in the GH6? Ty 🍻
Thank you so much for your awesome comment. Yeah I guess we live in a battlefield now between really great cameras. I feel lucky to be witnessing this amazing surge in the camera technologies. I feel really undeceive as well. now the S1H announced the RAW recording and I feel it's a very exciting camera. But again the price is pretty high RELATIVELY. So I'm really debating if I really need it or not. Gotta try it out. But in the meantime the GH5 with Speedbooster is still a very awesome camera. I feel the GH6 would be a similar version of the S1H, i mean maybe more 422 10bit formats, maybe higher speeds, maybe improved AI focus. Maayyyyybe RAW external.. God knows. It'd be wise to wait till NAB 2020 i would say
@@THEDPJOURNEY Good advice! I'm going to wait and see Thx
Thanks for all the work you have put in this informative video!
btw I will get the bmpcc6k this week 😄
Thank you so much for the kind words
@@DavWoe you'll enjoy the new color science! 😀😉
Thanks for the in-depth presentation on this camera. Hoping that the a7S III (whenever it comes out) will be competitive, since good competition between manufacturers benefits all of us filmmakers.
Yeah I'm really curious how will that turn out... I feel they're struggling now to get something compelling
@@THEDPJOURNEY I agree. I just don't know what they will do that can't be done by the S1H or the BMPCC 6K.
Thanks for the video! Very clear information and nicely structured. Well done!
Thanks buddy! glad you liked it. Stay tuned for more
The raw firmware is said to be free when released by Panasonic
Let’s wait and see... what it offers is what’s more important anyway
THE DP JOURNEY Where did you read the raw will be capped to 4K? The Eva1 outputs 5.7K raw via HDMI to the atomos shogun inferno
Great video! Just found you now and so happy I have :D I think I am sold on the camera because I do a lot of photography as well and running and gunning in general. It seem to have everything I need except for excellent AF but that's okay. Looking forward to you getting it and looking forward to getting it myself as well!
Thank you so much for the support. It does look like a great camera. Gotta get my hands on it to make my final decision
Well done review man. I like the graph and design for doing reviews.
my head bursts from informations :) loooove this one
Hahaha... thanks buddy! I’ll take this as a complement 😉
I can tell you took your time and this video is outstanding, not bias, and very informative!
IMO you only missed out punch in while recording to check focus that is a major drawback for using MF. Thanks - I've subscribed
Thank yo so much Pedro for the support. Yeah there's so much info that I chose to let go honestly as the video is already long as you can see. Didn't want to scare people off :) thanks again for the sub
Fantastic graphics and information. Got a new subscriber.
I'm a hybrid professional using the GH5 and I'm tempted by the S1H but I can't see them selling too many of the whole S line to be honest, especially with the current price tags and limitations. There just seems to be too many market misses between the lineup for me personally and I think they could combine all 3 cameras into the perfect hybrid. Especially that tilt - flip screen from the S1H. That is the future right there. Look forward to the 2nd generation if there is one.
yeah if you don't have sigma EF lenses then it might not make much sense to you. I'd wait. GH5 is a GREAT camera, check my latest video about the GH5 and the music video I shot with it. th-cam.com/video/ah9oW1DMyRs/w-d-xo.html
Uhhhh, happily, your initial thoughts about the RAW output update option was partially incorrect :) Although it did turn out to be Prores, as you thought it would be, it is 12 bits @ 4:4:4 colour precision :) So no loss there, but big loss with Prores Raw format, because it's still under development, and is basicly still in a BETA version. No ISO or other control like with RedCode RAW- Yet ! I am hopefull this will change.
So much excellent info, and valuable comparisons and perspectives!
Thanks a lot Tara, really glad you found it informative
As I viewed this video again for the second time I was again so impressed with how thorough you have been in your exploration of this camera’s key features and relevant comparisons to the main contenders from Canon, Sony and Blackmagic. One thing occurred to me as I picked up more info this time and that is the addition of a MFT to L-Mount speed booster and what that may offer.
One of the drawbacks as you pointed out is that if you want to go native with lenses on this then you’d have to add a hefty chunk to your budget to include a complement of lenses which if you want decent glass would triple or quadruple the total investment easily. But if you can not only use existing MFT lenses and also gain a stop in the process this starts to get interesting given the possibility of full-frame and 10 bit 4:2:2 at base frame rates. Hmmm ...
I am waffling back and forth between this choice, the GH5-S and the BMPCC 4/6K camera’s for a docu-series I’m producing here and wonder if you have any further thoughts on this since making your video. I know you said you’d be posting a further review and I wait anxiously for that release but in the meantime, do you mind telling me which option you would favor of the above mentioned choices?
Thanks again for your support to the channel and your appreciation of the details and research that lead to this thorough preview...
About native lenses.. I guess whoever is planning to buy them is probably someone who won't have money as an issue. Maybe a rental house or a production company, I don't see an indie filmmaker buying this camera with a set of Leica lenses, especially not the first generation.
As for your question... i personally now tend to shoot more on my BM4K as i prefer its look, and the fact it shoots 10 bit prores. BUT, i always miss so many things from the GH5, namely small size... super light weight... battery life... articulated screen... etc...
So honestly if I were you, GH5 is more for run and gun, maybe Documentary where speed and practicality wins over final quality, not Docu-Series, where I assume you'd have a more controlled environment. Which is better for BM. Don't get me wrong... GH5 looks pretty good as well, but needs more work to look as good as BM.
On another note I'm finishing up another analysis about the S1H and their new RAW ProRes announcement via ATOMOS Ninja V.. so stay tuned, it'll be interesting!
THE DP JOURNEY I mentioned this in a comment on your other video but if you did set up a rig with an Atomos Ninja V and articulating screen off the rig and removed the BM screen from the back you could in theory use that inverse USB-C port for output to the Ninja for Prores Raw recording direct could you not? Provided BM do the firmware update for that?
@@reginaldworthington7558 Well, the BM USB-C is used as a data cable to transfer data, not video signal. So sending data signal to ATOMOS will make you gain anything, as ATOMOS will see it as data, not ProRes raw Video signal. BM and ATOMOS need to agree on a protocol for that which is what's happening with the the S1H I'm actually about to release a new video covering that subject
THE DP JOURNEY ah I wasn’t aware it was limited to that. Thanks for a little more education. Will be watching for your next vid and again, thanks for taking time to reply.
Always happy to have you onboard... trying to wrap up the other video by tomorrow. Stay tuned
Very good info & Very well executed infografic. The only thing wrong is that the C500 m2 doesn't have 5 axis ibis. It has a new giroscope based digital stabilization. Thanks for the analysis.
Thanks for the support! I actually never said the c500 has “5axis IBIS” I only said “canon added added image stabilization...” 😉, and yes I am aware that it’s an electronic stabilization unlike the S1H. Thanks again for the support
*Hi: As you probably know by now, the compromises you were originally concerned about in this video for RAW output have all gone away. As the output is 12 bit and not 10, plus the stated format of Prores Raw is a 4:4:4 colour space, so any so called, compromised colour information is also circumvented. Also the Ninja and S1H with the proper firmware update can also output 6K resolution Prores Raw, so you don't loose one of the main selling points of this camera either.*
Yup... many information in this episode are pretty outdated now. I suggest to watch more recent ones 😉 thanks for watching
Thank you for the explanation on what bit depth is. 😊👍 Very helpful.
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for watching
I wish Fuji was involved in the cinema market. Maybe when the XH2 releases.
Yeah they seem like missing out on all the fun
Nice production on this video, super well done.
Thank you so much Adam. Glad you liked it 👍
very professional review! I liked the motion graphics
Thanks a lot buddy for your awesome support
Also struggling with decision if should go with the Pocket 6k or the S1H. Pocket 6k footage is phenomenal, it’s a bummer you can’t record 4k in raw plus the battery life sucks. But the awesome picture quality really got me thinking 🤔. Tough one🙆🏽♂️
Let me get my hands on the S1H and maybe things will get clearer. Stay tuned
Your videos are fantastic ......long but that's exactly how they should be .....brilliant
Thank you so much for the awesome words... Such comments make me want to do more of this!
Thanks for the great review and the obvious comparison. Fantastic work...….
Thanks Wisit... appreciate your support
Why doesn't the camera launch 2K variability, 2560*1440 upgrade video recording? BMPCC6K supports 2.8K120FPS recording mode。
Yeah! Good question.
incredible edit and content. thank you
Cheers thanks ;)
Interesting analysis. There sure is a Lot of information to process... So many choices today, and one has to consider the long term investment into a system... For me, a mirrorless camera will always be a B Camera for gimbal, handheld on the street shooting, etc. The L Mount system looks very interesting to me, assuming Panasonic's next EVA is L Mount, with 12 bit RAW, and ND and XLR. For me, the RF lenses Canon is making, combined with their best in class autofocus, looks extremely interesting. I expect a 10 bit 422 R Mount camera from Canon next year, so that should be kept in mind. A real shame the Canon C500 M2 is still EF, on the bright side, with EF lenses, on gets Canon's Variable ND adapter on R mount.... a lot weigh up... If Panasonic's autofocus was useable, there would be a lot more people jumping ship...
Yeah mirrorless could be B cams if you’re talking about cinema cameras as A cams. But again it all depends at what you usually work on. Keep in mind NETFLIX just approved the S1H as a camera they can shoot original content for them. Proving how awesome it is compared to Vatican. In all cases it’s just the first gen... let’s see how their next gen would be... not before 3 years from now is my prediction
@@THEDPJOURNEY I shoot documentaries, so have need of ND and XLR. So I have my A camera that is the battle ready workhorse, and then small camera for being less conspicuous, or on a gimbal, in a vehicle etc. (and as a backup in case of disaster when on the road, which has happened). I have been using Sony cameras, and one advantage is that all their cameras- from a6300 to Venice-share the same mount, and that you can put any lens on the mount. This is huge. Sony are really falling behind with their video codecs (and their new full frame FX9 is less htan inspiring), so am looking at my options. The L Mount and the R mount will hopefully be the future of Panasonic and Canon Cine cameras. When Canon and Sony make 10 bit 422 mirrorless camera- probably in 2020, Panasonic had better of sorted out their video autofocus, or I don't see them succeeding... Having said that, I am thinking of getting the S1H for handheld shooting with the tons of old glass I have...
Can't wait for your BS1H Review!
Totally agree with your thoughts on vlog and RAW via HDMI. Great analysis!
Thanks buddy. Yeah, I feel that was some sort of marketing stunt to entice people to buy it over the BM6K.
@@THEDPJOURNEY i think you have nailed it with that statement, who wants prores raw anyway lol
I think its kind of a misunerstanding from his side. The hdmisignal is a debayered signal with baked in values för rgb. While a raw output would use the hdmiport as dataconnection to transfer the raw data from the sensor which would give you chices like whitebalance and tint. It is also not locked to 10 bit. It is probably 12bit depending on the sensor. The portrayal of 12 vs 10bit was also kind of weird and misleading. 8-bit looks great as a deliveryformat for sdr. And if you have ever seen a log signal it occupies say half to a quarter of the signal. Since 10 bit has four times the nuances. One could argue that 10 bit is enough for log to be streched out to a nice 8-bit delivery.
Wow! Best pre view video I have ever seen!
Thank you so much Jason! Stay tuned, more to come this week
I would love to chime in a bit about the RAW part.
AFAIK, 16bit Linear RAW files from the Sony and RED are equivalent to 12bit log RAW files found on the Arri Alexa.
It is a kind of data-saving method and does not affect the image as much.
FYI Sony and RED are providing "visually-lossless" compressed RAW, while ARRI is uncompressed, I think that shows ARRI believes that it's better to have a 12bit log uncompressed.
www.arri.com/en/learn-help/learn-help-camera-system/camera-workflow/image-science/frequently-asked-questions-on-hdr#accordion-44150
We have to see what will Panasonic do on the S1H.
EVA1 is outputting 10bit log RAW, I will be surprised if S1H could do 12bit Log RAW.
I'm a GH5s user for mostly videography and had been planning on upgrading this year. I eagerly await your review because the biggest draw for me is the IBIS, increased dynamic range, and full v-log!
We're on the same boat my friend. I'm waiting to get the camera and see if I'm willing to invest $4K+ on it or if I need to wait
Amazing breakdown. Just excellent. Subscribed!
Thank you so much for the support. Glad to have you onboard
Do you have a tutorial for the transitions at 20:20? The illustrations look so sick btw! Love how you animated the camera to give it a shallow depth of field look and control where we focus our attention. Made the information easier to digest and more interesting to look at. And the transitions look so cool! Reminds me of a mix between Handy Seemless Transitions and watching the built in ND filter swipe in front of the lens on the EVA1. So cool!
thank you so much for the kind words and compliments. I mainly use MotionVFX plugins on FCPX. You'll find the link tot he transition in the description ;) 👍
Thank you this is so well done great work. Two thumbs up and I’m a subscriber now
Thank you so much for the kind words, welcome aboard
I think the raw out will not be the 4k 10bit video out but a different raw format and so could be whatever they can squeeze through the pipe. Hopefully 12bit.
here's your answer ;) th-cam.com/video/sSGM7y1iClw/w-d-xo.html
Nobody knows still but yeah Hopefully 12 bit log
I was thinking of getting one of this, however after watching your review I'd rather wait and do more research. Very well-explained and informative. Keep it up. I've subscribed.
really happy my review helped you with your decision. Looking forward to hear from you again. :)
A great detailed review i ever seen
Cheers thanks
Thank you so much for such a detailed breakdown! Specs wise it seems that BMPCC6K tops the S1H, but when it comes to overall image "feel" the S1H is to me much more pleasing since it's closer to a soft buttery Alexa aesthetics, while the Blackmagic is closer to a harsh Red aesthetics and no color correction can fix that. If only the price wasn't at $4000 mark, this is too high for sure, I don't know why Japanese brands keep the prices so high and refuse to adapt to the new market
Actually i love the color science of the BM6K, but agreed that the V-Log of the S1H is pretty Alexa-ish... I'll be testing it on a shoot soon and will hopefully release my review right after
Completely opened my eyes
Very happy to hear that. Thanks for the support
Well done Preview!
Thanks Marcus. Working on the full review... it's a pretty intense camera.. gotta split it into many episodes
I've never been able to pin point or even find an explanation on the difference between bitdepth and dynamic range. i knew the difference before but you have fucking crushed it and I actually learned something. like, sub, and ill refer this vid to others.
Thanks buddy... here's another updated explanation: th-cam.com/video/LlkiPWCUhik/w-d-xo.html
High quality Preview! Thank you!
Cheers ;)
Incredible review!!! Thank you for the days it took to assemble a review masterpiece! Do you mind sharing how you did your graphics? Much Appreciated
Thank you so much for your complements! I used Keynote for those animations 😉
Can you make a video about the announced RAW recording using the ninja V I know you mention it in this video but now that you know what it’s offering while it be better quality?
I am actually working on that episode. 2 huge episodes! Stay tuned this weekend
10bit "linear" raw cant cover 14+ stops. This is where logarithmic mappings come into play. You CAN hold 14stops in a log curve in 10bit. Many people don't know that the EVA-1's raw is not linear. They only sample 10bit raw values but they log curve them and map them that way. Sony does linear FS raw in 12bit floating point math. The EVA-1 uses raw 10bit log integer math.
It can mathematically but you are absolutely correct, visually the linear mapping will basically destroy all luma resolution in the parts that are most important to human vision. Thanks for your comment 👍
This is the best presented camera comparison video I’ve ever seen. Those graphics! Do you do them yourself? About the dynamic range - I tested the S1 against the GH5 and found an additional 1 and 2/3 stops highlights before clipping. That for me is the reason I’ll be buying it. The highlight rolloff has dramatically improved from the GH5 which is my current camera. Thanks again.
Thank you so much for the kind words. Yeah I do the motion graphics myself.
Well that’s good to hear about the image improvement. I’m looking forward to get the camera and put it to the test
You tested the S1 or S1H? Just checking. Extra highlight range is always welcome.
raksh9 I tested the S1 about a month ago.
@@raksh9 NO haven't tested any yet
Have to say, very well produced.
Good job
Thank you so much for the complements
Great video. What's the name of the music used at 17:11 ?
Hi DP Journey,
Awesome and professional video. Well thought out and your efforts shows it!
New sub.
I’m just starting out so I have been playing around with A73 for stills, GH5 for videos, but upgrading to S1H to do both. It’s one too many system to learn even though there is some overlap in the basics.
Was able to get on the preorder in UK and shipped to US (no VAT) and includes the XLR audio adapter which I can sell off, making the cost abt ~USD$3200, which is in striking distance to be reasonably priced, especially if you geared up the BMPCC 6k to be relatively close enough (at least for me). Also, the Sigma lens options available now reduces the overall cost of the body. I think it ends this month.
Aside from the use cases and shooting style, I think the total cost of ownership needs to be considered here as I’m assuming as a pro, ease of workflow to produce quality work reduces the time cost. Other costs I think that needs to also be factored in such as crew cost, lighting and audio, computers/laptops, software cost, lens collection, etc. and really time honored skills and art (i.e. experience).
Although it’s good times to be in with all the options and new tech, to start from beginning as I am now, it’s a lot to digest, let alone time the learning curve. Trying to average up by taking courses, sitting on countless sets from friends and pros in the field, unless you have a crew that divides the subject matter work and the clients pays for it, the costs adds up quickly.
From purely video and value, looks like the BMPCC 4k is best value and if you need 6k, then that’ll be the option.
What’s your choice between the 3 cams, BMPCC 4k, 6k, or S1H?
Hey, well I actually have the same cameras... I use the A7iii for photos. GH5/BM4K/S1H for videos. There's no camera that's good for everything... so i choose the camera based on the project honestly. I will be releasing a video talking about choosing the best camera for your project and guiding you on how to choose it. Maybe that would help you a bit. Thanks again for you comment and contribution.
Hi DP JOURNEY, can’t agree more with you. Looking forward to this video.
Cheers!
20:34 for the edit mistake. Anyone else catch that? Still the best review for this camera and the comparison to the B.M. Mr. D.P.
hahaha... You noticing this flash frame is a proof that you were paying so much attention past the 20 min mark! I'm really flattered you had that level of attention that far in the video. I'll take that as a compliment ;) and yes other people noticed it and pointed it out actually... Thanks again for the support. Hope to hear from you again
GH5's maximum dynamic range is 12.5 stops when shooting in Vlog. I assume - and agree with you - that S1H might have 13 stops tops.
In comparison to the Alexa's 14 stops, the S1 is getting just above 12 stops. The GH5 just under 11.
@@thebrothersthre3987 My bad, not 12.5 but 12 stops. I've seen some tests and charts that show GH5 has 12 stops of DR at 400 ISO shooting in Vlog.
yeah GH5 is surely not 12.5 stops... but yeah S1H is pretty decent... I'm working on a comparison video in all cases
@@THEDPJOURNEY Looking forward to it! And thank you for it in advance.
Incredible and precise review. Subbed.
Welcome aboard Jon! Thanks for the support
really good video dude
can’t wait to see how the a7siii does
Thanks buddy.. yeah we're all waiting ... maybeNAB 2020
You say your getting the cam? Buying or renting? After seeing the color and noise issues reviewers were having,I ordered the GH5..
I need to test it first... but The price, the LMount are the main things that are pushing me away. Gotta year it and see if the quality will set me on a decision. But I don’t think I will buy it. I feel in a year’s time blackmagic would bring us a full frame raw camera
THE DP JOURNEY Totally agree🤟🏻🎥💪🏻 Tnx
Terrific review. Great level of detail
For me I’ll be waiting for the successor, something that can do full frame at 50/60p. Internally recorded raw is also now a requirement for me
Awesome stuff man!!! Thx for sharing. Subscribed!
Thanks Joe, welcome aboard
Looking forward to see new content from The DP journey! GH6 review in the near future? Fingers crossed 🤞
Agreed with others comments on your thoroughness in your videos. I watched this one on S1H and the two on ProResRaw. Question ... Do you think the S1H using SD vs CF express is not a disadvantage? I suppose there is no need for the speed of CFexpress? ... but are the XQD with similar SD speeds more robust? It is good there are 2 SD cards with the continuous write and backup modes. Thanks again.
No I see it as an advantage as the camera’s write speed limit is where SD card limits are. I do believe the next generation will have CFExpress... since they capped out the speed now and you can see that we need SSD now to record higher data rates
Thanks for the breakdown. It would be nice to hear your thoughts on Open Gate. That is the feature that keeps me on the S1 rather than long for the S1H. I think the price is fair. Think of Canon 1DX II. It’s a perfect hybrid in my mind. But I think the value of the S1 with very similar results as the S1H is the clear winner for me. I do wish someone would talk about Open Gate on both cams and describe (the way you do so well) what exactly we’re getting with Open Gate compared to the 76mbs 4:2:0 of their beloved 6K. I just shot a whole College video on the S1 in Open Gate and I was stunned at the color, dynamic range and clean signal. Thanks for your work!
Yeah I’ll try to stress test it when I get my hands on it. So stay tuned 😉
I’ve been looking forward to this review! Thank you for going into such detail & conforming my suspicions. My first reaction was no Raw? 2 SD cards (no XQD)? only 10bit? and of course, the price. $4000 puts the S1H into a different category, with higher expectations, especially Raw & 12bit. If it had perfect autofocus, then it would be super appealing for handheld shots or low/no budget indie short films/ music videos. Sony will release several cameras, a9ii? for around the same price, perfect autofocus, FF & 10bit? 8k? as well as, a7siii, for ~$3000, 6k? 10bit?
If you want to go hybrid, as many ppl do, autofocus is necessary. If you want to go full cinema, ZCam F6 (FF,Raw) easily beats the S1H. And, now, the ZCam S6 (Super35, Raw) is only $3000! The main point here is, all these smaller cameras have exceeded internal recording capabilities to SD cards. Full cinema cameras have 12G SDI ports for a reason and record internally to XQD, CFast2.0 or to SSD’s. Can the Panasonic S1H use it’s electronic hot shoe to house a new adaptor we haven’t seen yet with SDI? That would be the game changer that turns the S1H into full cinema camera, (recording Raw to SDI recorder). That being said, I’m loving the footage so far & can’t wait to test it out. I’m guessing an EVA2 will be out soon, with expanded recording options, Raw & of course built-NDs.
I look forward to your testing of this camera, and ZCam S6 & F6 to your testing queue.
Thanks again!
Where can we watch the astronaut film?
Yeah I guess EVA2 will be out as well! Thank you so much for the great comment! Agree with everything so far 👍
The astronauts film is on the Panasonic TH-cam, they didn’t do a great job promoting them
THE DP JOURNEY Did you hear the news? The EVA1 can now record in BlackMagic RAW via BlackMagic’s new recorders!! I’m waiting for the S1H BRaw announcement....
@@Photographicelements Can you share the link please?
@@THEDPJOURNEY ok, but it's 2hours long.. th-cam.com/video/UxR9aGDSSuM/w-d-xo.html (at around 52min? after Grant talks about the smaller recorder). BRaw for EVA1 & C300ii (so far..).
I feel the BMPCC is still the winner here. Especially the 6K version.
Yeah this one will struggle a bit
Yeah, their color science and RAW capture. Forget it. But they are such a pain to shoot with that I am keeping my S1. Ive done BM fro years and it’s such a pain for my run and gun over seas work.
i think for event-type shooters, they will go with S1H before the pocket. Weddings, events...i would pick the S1H before the P6K. But you know what, this prove that you can own both (if your a working pro) and pick one cam over the other depending on the job.
I love bmpcc6k image but if I had the money I'd go for the S1 or S1H.
Can anyone plz explain the difference between Contrast Ratio and Dynamic range???? Or are they the same thing?
They're both 2 way and scales to measure the same thing. Pretty hard to explain it here though...
Awesome personal impression on both camera! every seconds are useful ! May I know the music @17:10 ? cheers. sub !