7 to 9 yrs old i had Honda 75 dirt bike huge back yard rode all the time. I owned a Ninja EX 500 when i was 20 till i was 21. No issues at all and it was a really good experience. Fast forward to now, i am in really good shape 175lbs 49yrs old . I'm in the market to revisit and will be going with a 600. I feel ill be good being iv had the experience before. what say you?
I started on a 660, I am short and can't flat foot my bike. I have been on this bike for 3000+ kms now and have only made 2 bad mistakes, both of them were in my first week of ownership. First I stalled on a bumpy road hill start in a spot where the bumps prevented me from reaching the ground. Second was I stalled again but in the middle of a main road and almost got run over. These are things that can happen to anyone in learning the bike and your height limitations. Apart from this my experience has been excellent and there has been times where I have needed the extra power to get out of the way of other drivers making mistakes or changing lanes on top of me... I'm happy with my choice.
I can second this. I debated it hard. Im glad I started on a Ninja 650 before getting the 24 zx6r. I said to myself ur gonna wanna go fast before u even learn how to ride it. Huge difference between a parrell twin or single cyclinder and the inline 4 600s.
Meanwhile on some track there's a 13 year old doing laps on a 125cc two stroke faster than you will ever go on any bike. I know, because he was faster than me, too.
yeah i get it alot im 19 and my first motorcycle is a suzuki hayabusa 1340cc with a 10 inch stretch and 300 fat tire kit and i respected the bike so i had no issues but it was very overwelming at first and a huge learning curve being on a bike that big
I rode 450cc dirtbikes before picking up my first street bike: A 2007 ZZR600 (2000-1 ZX-6R rehash). It was crazy off the bat on first ride, but I acclimated to it almost immediately after that first exhilarating ride. I still own a 600 ('21 ZX-6R). Never felt the need to upgrade to liter. The 600 class really is a do all sport bike class, and it's not hard to get into if you played in the trails or the dirt prior. For a brand spankin' new rider... eh... Maybe? It can be done, but it isn't smart.
i will never get a 600cc, here's why. i have no business going 140+ mph. i only ride a girl's bike R3 but what i've learned these 2 years is that things can go really bad when you get into the 100+ range. was splitting somewhat aggressively on a windy day and the wind pushes me towards a semi truck. not a fun place to be and i almost went down in front of the truck. aka i would have been ran over by it. not trying to fearmonger but that can happen when you getting into triple digit speeds
i started on an '05 Honda CBR600rr and it's fkn awesome... you gotta have your head in it tho, have a little knowledge of how things work, take it slow, all that. if your super skiddish and nervous and have no idea of how a clutch and throttle work together e.t.c, prolly shouldn't start on a rocket lol
Hmm, so would you or would you not recommend me getting an SV650 as my first bike? I hear all over that it's a great bike and fantastic for beginners but I also hear people say 600cc is dumb to get for a beginner... So what's the consensus?
I think about it this way, a Kawasaki ER500 is a fat old commuter bike they used to make, it makes 45BHP if you're lucky and it weighs a ton. You probably think that bike is dog slow, and in a sense you'd be right, but it does the 1/4 mile in the same time as a Lancer Evolution of the same year... You probably wouldn't buy an Evolution as your first car, and an SV650 is much faster than an ER500. I mean you can learn on an R1, modern bikes do have manners in a way they didn't used to, but there's no good reason to really. It makes a lot more sense to make sure you can ride something slow without killing yourself before you sit on a bike that can kill you before you even realise what happened.
The correct answer is YES....u could start on a 600...BUT...is it wise to start on a 600...wel...it depends on d individual...i know some peple start on a 1000 n did very wel...i would say once u have good disaplain n understand that u are in control...and the bike not to big n heavy for you....u good to go
You can start on any motorcycle. Schools which say you need to start on a 250 and work up for example have the approach of "teach em buggar all and hope they find out for themselves how to ride" A proper school will equip you to ride any motorcycle. I started on an R1, the throttle works both ways and goes as fast or slow as you want it to. A 250 is faster and more dangerous than my R1 if I only open the throttle slightly. It is all in the rider, not the bike
You can absolutely start on a 600. I started on a Kawasaki 600 and it wasn’t hard at all. I do recommend taking ur time and go slow. Like he said take ur time and humble urself.
Here in Europe tha A category(unrestricted CC) you learn on a 600, so i dont see how you should buy anything under 600. A 600 supersport on the other hand, is kinda meh for commute, them bikes need their revs, and most of the time you wont get what you want from it without law breaking :D Thats why i started on a 919 hornet :D
@@MiguelBorgesphotography Most 650s are made in the roughly 49kW power, which makes them A2 i think, some are above. The point is that a supersport is way more uncomfortable and harder to get used to. Id take even a 1000 naked over a 600 supersport. They should be used on tracks, or people die, and its gettin more and more common.
Even going from a CBR600 to a Multistrada 1200 I had to recalibrate my brain. I was merging onto the highway at 111mph accidentally, because I was shifting like it was a 600.
You need to be starting on a 250cc, or 125cc, or at most... a 450cc. I would not recommend starting on a 450cc, even though a 450cc is about the best sweet spot for a motorcycle to be... the best balance between power and mpg tradeoff. Definitely never start on anything larger than a 450cc. More important than buying good gear... binge watch motorcycle defensive driving videos. 90% of serious motorcycle crashes are caused by people going to fast on them. 90% of all crashes (mostly nonserious) are slow speed driving mishaps where knowledge of how to ride the friction zone on the clutch comes into play. Master your basic slow speed driving skills.
Hi, I started in a 250, I’m ready for my next bike , been 2 years on 250. Should I go 400 (Ninja ) or 650cc or even 700. Will await your reply . Plus I live in NYC
@@vaughnholloway7010 Well, it depends on what are your priorities. For me, I use my bikes as grocery haulers, so low maintenance cost and high carrying capacity are a priority. My 1985 CMX250 gets about 50-60 mpg My 1982 CMX450 and 2007 Honda Shadow Spirit 750 both get about 45mpg. Even though the Shadow is burning more gas displacing more cc volume with every stroke, I can only assume in 20 years Honda has tuned things using an onboard computer to get as good mpg as the old 450cc engine. So it also depends on the year of your bike. Supposedly the 2010 Model of my bike instead of the 2007 has fuel injection instead of a carb and gets 5 more mpg because the computer controls it to a fuel map. It also has a ton of more sensors that can fail... so... there's a trade off. In my opinion a 450 has more than enough power to do everything you want to do on the highway or interstate. I've never felt the lack of power on either of them. If all you want to do is go fast and get yourself bugsplatted, then the fastest biggest sport bike will do that. I find though once I go anywhere, I need a way to bring things back, or carry things there. You need to buy a new microwave because you're old one bought the farm, a sport bike is then useless for bringing it home. With my cruisers with a big rack on the back, no problem. If you get a good deal you can't refuse on any bike, jump on it, just imagine first though, you have to take out the carb and clean it and put it back in. And change the tires, and the front shock oil, and the chain, sprockets, battery, brake shoes, back brake drum, oil, antifreeze... all that... because you will. If all of that is hard to get to, it's a poorly designed bike and you probably should avoid it if you want to avoid hair pulling headaches in your future. You learn that the hard way, not all bikes are created equally for ease of mainteance. Most are nightmares, so if you find one where everything is reasonably sane to replace that wears out, it's a rare gem to sift through all the chaft for.
The answer is yes you can start on a 600, and have absolutely no issue at all. BUT, BUT. Don't start on a sports bike if you do, just get a 600 standard or tourer and you'd be golden.
Fool, it's about throttle control. It doesn't matter whether you are riding a low power motor scooter or a CB 850 Honda, you must still learn throttle control period. So, what to do? Find some nice quiet residential street to practice you shifting and throttle control.
Yes you can, unless you never rode with traffic rules and you dont understand how a engine works, these bikes specially the low rpm torquish ones are very sensitive and the clutch on any motorcycle is a think that you have to be awere of what that does.
TH-camrs soon be like "no, nooo 50cc is way too much for you bro, you'll kill yourself, start on a bicycle". It's not the machine that kills you, it's the way you drive it. You decide on the throttle not the bike. Tons of friends started on 600cc, or even more. And I'm talking inline 4 600cc. I was driving MT07 myself on my class and after few days felt the lack of power already. My MC teacher with YEARS of experience told me if I'm about to buy a bike, I should go for more than that toy probably. Gonna go for mt09 myself or the new cbr600rr. There's that trend now to suggest new bikers lower volumes and tbf, I have no idea why, you wanna sound responsible and cool or? But yeah, the gear I agree, just wear it for protection guys but again, if you're just going to a shop 2km away on an ez road, who would dress up like on a race track, I wouldn't, let's be real.
quick answer to the the title: YESS definitely , make sure you have shit fairing tho because your biker strength is still low so you may drop the bike once or twice at weird a weird angle, also i came from dirt bikes so the clutch didnt take me long to master
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I just bought a Suzuki 600 as my first bike. I love it. First time riding and i haven’t fallen . One of the best things I’ve done.
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Everyday I learn new things, and this is something I would keep in my mind for the future when I owe a bike, thank you for the advice. 😌
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7 to 9 yrs old i had Honda 75 dirt bike huge back yard rode all the time. I owned a Ninja EX 500 when i was 20 till i was 21. No issues at all and it was a really good experience. Fast forward to now, i am in really good shape 175lbs 49yrs old . I'm in the market to revisit and will be going with a 600. I feel ill be good being iv had the experience before. what say you?
I started on a 660, I am short and can't flat foot my bike. I have been on this bike for 3000+ kms now and have only made 2 bad mistakes, both of them were in my first week of ownership. First I stalled on a bumpy road hill start in a spot where the bumps prevented me from reaching the ground. Second was I stalled again but in the middle of a main road and almost got run over. These are things that can happen to anyone in learning the bike and your height limitations. Apart from this my experience has been excellent and there has been times where I have needed the extra power to get out of the way of other drivers making mistakes or changing lanes on top of me... I'm happy with my choice.
I can second this. I debated it hard. Im glad I started on a Ninja 650 before getting the 24 zx6r. I said to myself ur gonna wanna go fast before u even learn how to ride it. Huge difference between a parrell twin or single cyclinder and the inline 4 600s.
Meanwhile on some track there's a 13 year old doing laps on a 125cc two stroke faster than you will ever go on any bike. I know, because he was faster than me, too.
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yeah i get it alot im 19 and my first motorcycle is a suzuki hayabusa 1340cc with a 10 inch stretch and 300 fat tire kit and i respected the bike so i had no issues but it was very overwelming at first and a huge learning curve being on a bike that big
Damnnn haha, I was considering like a r6 or cbr600 as my first bike, I feel the just gotta respect the beast and youd be good
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I rode 450cc dirtbikes before picking up my first street bike: A 2007 ZZR600 (2000-1 ZX-6R rehash). It was crazy off the bat on first ride, but I acclimated to it almost immediately after that first exhilarating ride. I still own a 600 ('21 ZX-6R). Never felt the need to upgrade to liter. The 600 class really is a do all sport bike class, and it's not hard to get into if you played in the trails or the dirt prior. For a brand spankin' new rider... eh... Maybe? It can be done, but it isn't smart.
If you were riding 450s on dirt you didn't start on a 600 so...??
450cc on dirt is like a 1000cc on road brother
i will never get a 600cc, here's why. i have no business going 140+ mph. i only ride a girl's bike R3 but what i've learned these 2 years is that things can go really bad when you get into the 100+ range. was splitting somewhat aggressively on a windy day and the wind pushes me towards a semi truck. not a fun place to be and i almost went down in front of the truck. aka i would have been ran over by it. not trying to fearmonger but that can happen when you getting into triple digit speeds
i started on an '05 Honda CBR600rr and it's fkn awesome... you gotta have your head in it tho, have a little knowledge of how things work, take it slow, all that. if your super skiddish and nervous and have no idea of how a clutch and throttle work together e.t.c, prolly shouldn't start on a rocket lol
Hmm, so would you or would you not recommend me getting an SV650 as my first bike? I hear all over that it's a great bike and fantastic for beginners but I also hear people say 600cc is dumb to get for a beginner... So what's the consensus?
A 650cc is a regular street bike whereas a 600cc is a race bike. 650s are a lot easier to handle
@@insidious714 oh ok
I think about it this way, a Kawasaki ER500 is a fat old commuter bike they used to make, it makes 45BHP if you're lucky and it weighs a ton. You probably think that bike is dog slow, and in a sense you'd be right, but it does the 1/4 mile in the same time as a Lancer Evolution of the same year... You probably wouldn't buy an Evolution as your first car, and an SV650 is much faster than an ER500. I mean you can learn on an R1, modern bikes do have manners in a way they didn't used to, but there's no good reason to really. It makes a lot more sense to make sure you can ride something slow without killing yourself before you sit on a bike that can kill you before you even realise what happened.
The correct answer is YES....u could start on a 600...BUT...is it wise to start on a 600...wel...it depends on d individual...i know some peple start on a 1000 n did very wel...i would say once u have good disaplain n understand that u are in control...and the bike not to big n heavy for you....u good to go
You can start on any motorcycle. Schools which say you need to start on a 250 and work up for example have the approach of "teach em buggar all and hope they find out for themselves how to ride"
A proper school will equip you to ride any motorcycle. I started on an R1, the throttle works both ways and goes as fast or slow as you want it to. A 250 is faster and more dangerous than my R1 if I only open the throttle slightly.
It is all in the rider, not the bike
Why your mirrors so small
Can you see out those mirrors?
When I started watching I was not sure if the point was that 600cc was to small or to big
0:08 had me dying 😂
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You can absolutely start on a 600. I started on a Kawasaki 600 and it wasn’t hard at all. I do recommend taking ur time and go slow. Like he said take ur time and humble urself.
I started on a 24 zx6r. Took it to the parking lot for 3 days and I was ready for traffic
i start with Yamaha XSR 155CC.
Here in Europe tha A category(unrestricted CC) you learn on a 600, so i dont see how you should buy anything under 600. A 600 supersport on the other hand, is kinda meh for commute, them bikes need their revs, and most of the time you wont get what you want from it without law breaking :D Thats why i started on a 919 hornet :D
Bro! Did the exact same thing ! Had lessons on a triumph trident 660 and got the 919 for my first bike last year
600 or 650?
@@MiguelBorgesphotography Most 650s are made in the roughly 49kW power, which makes them A2 i think, some are above. The point is that a supersport is way more uncomfortable and harder to get used to. Id take even a 1000 naked over a 600 supersport. They should be used on tracks, or people die, and its gettin more and more common.
So what do you do if you cant afford 2 bikes and wantvto start slow?
Buy a 1000 and learn throttle control
Buy a used bike first, resell it and get a higher cc bike
I think I can guess what flat footing it is but could you explain it for me?
being able to put both feet fully on the ground while sitting on the bike
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I had a 125cc and jumped to a grsxr750cc
I wouldn't recommend it
That's huge jump my guy lol.
Even going from a CBR600 to a Multistrada 1200 I had to recalibrate my brain. I was merging onto the highway at 111mph accidentally, because I was shifting like it was a 600.
You need to be starting on a 250cc, or 125cc, or at most... a 450cc. I would not recommend starting on a 450cc, even though a 450cc is about the best sweet spot for a motorcycle to be... the best balance between power and mpg tradeoff. Definitely never start on anything larger than a 450cc.
More important than buying good gear... binge watch motorcycle defensive driving videos.
90% of serious motorcycle crashes are caused by people going to fast on them.
90% of all crashes (mostly nonserious) are slow speed driving mishaps where knowledge of how to ride the friction zone on the clutch comes into play. Master your basic slow speed driving skills.
Hi, I started in a 250, I’m ready for my next bike , been 2 years on 250. Should I go 400 (Ninja ) or 650cc or even 700. Will await your reply . Plus I live in NYC
@@vaughnholloway7010 Well, it depends on what are your priorities. For me, I use my bikes as grocery haulers, so low maintenance cost and high carrying capacity are a priority.
My 1985 CMX250 gets about 50-60 mpg
My 1982 CMX450 and 2007 Honda Shadow Spirit 750 both get about 45mpg.
Even though the Shadow is burning more gas displacing more cc volume with every stroke, I can only assume in 20 years Honda has tuned things using an onboard computer to get as good mpg as the old 450cc engine.
So it also depends on the year of your bike. Supposedly the 2010 Model of my bike instead of the 2007 has fuel injection instead of a carb and gets 5 more mpg because the computer controls it to a fuel map. It also has a ton of more sensors that can fail... so... there's a trade off.
In my opinion a 450 has more than enough power to do everything you want to do on the highway or interstate. I've never felt the lack of power on either of them.
If all you want to do is go fast and get yourself bugsplatted, then the fastest biggest sport bike will do that. I find though once I go anywhere, I need a way to bring things back, or carry things there. You need to buy a new microwave because you're old one bought the farm, a sport bike is then useless for bringing it home. With my cruisers with a big rack on the back, no problem.
If you get a good deal you can't refuse on any bike, jump on it, just imagine first though, you have to take out the carb and clean it and put it back in. And change the tires, and the front shock oil, and the chain, sprockets, battery, brake shoes, back brake drum, oil, antifreeze... all that... because you will.
If all of that is hard to get to, it's a poorly designed bike and you probably should avoid it if you want to avoid hair pulling headaches in your future. You learn that the hard way, not all bikes are created equally for ease of mainteance. Most are nightmares, so if you find one where everything is reasonably sane to replace that wears out, it's a rare gem to sift through all the chaft for.
I started on a gsxr 1000
im gonna start on a GSX 1200 . im gonna start reeeaaaally slow xD
1200 bandit here but first new bike was a 1000. I was 15 for the 1200 18 for 1000
Me too. Easy going.dont get it why evryone tells me not to
I started on a dodge tomahawk
Probaly not, a 1000 would be my suggestion maybe even a 12 13 or 1400
Can you start on a 600cc? Yes
Should you start on a 600cc? No
i live around there wtf lmao
The answer is yes you can start on a 600, and have absolutely no issue at all.
BUT, BUT.
Don't start on a sports bike if you do, just get a 600 standard or tourer and you'd be golden.
600cc is too small. I started on 1500cc
Fool, it's about throttle control. It doesn't matter whether you are riding a low power motor scooter or a CB 850 Honda, you must still learn throttle control period. So, what to do? Find some nice quiet residential street to practice you shifting and throttle control.
Yes you can, unless you never rode with traffic rules and you dont understand how a engine works, these bikes specially the low rpm torquish ones are very sensitive and the clutch on any motorcycle is a think that you have to be awere of what that does.
Can you stop making BS videos? Controversial topic? LOL
TH-camrs soon be like "no, nooo 50cc is way too much for you bro, you'll kill yourself, start on a bicycle". It's not the machine that kills you, it's the way you drive it. You decide on the throttle not the bike. Tons of friends started on 600cc, or even more. And I'm talking inline 4 600cc. I was driving MT07 myself on my class and after few days felt the lack of power already. My MC teacher with YEARS of experience told me if I'm about to buy a bike, I should go for more than that toy probably. Gonna go for mt09 myself or the new cbr600rr. There's that trend now to suggest new bikers lower volumes and tbf, I have no idea why, you wanna sound responsible and cool or?
But yeah, the gear I agree, just wear it for protection guys but again, if you're just going to a shop 2km away on an ez road, who would dress up like on a race track, I wouldn't, let's be real.
quick answer to the the title: YESS definitely , make sure you have shit fairing tho because your biker strength is still low so you may drop the bike once or twice at weird a weird angle, also i came from dirt bikes so the clutch didnt take me long to master