I understand frustration. . . . . .. but the control on that EPIC rant was PRICELESS!!!! Nothing like buying a new home worth of gear to sit in a field all day fuming. . . omg. . . .
Just seen this video for the first time. Having a good rant is worthwhile if it shows defective machinery up. And saves other farmers the pain . Plus New Holland would hate the bad PR . Years ago they would just say (well its never done that before!!) and get away with it , not anymore. A belated WELL DONE WES 👍👍
Lol, that wheel of missfortune was hilarious, and a very good add to NH :D ps. Wes, SISU engines are very, very good. Do not be afraid of Massey because of that, SISU engine on there might be the best thing of it. It sure beats that NH 6-0.
Sorry to see your so anoyed. I can't imagine how frustrating this must all be. I HATE when you get someone come and try tell you something as stupid as you're over greasing the steering joints. I get it all the time with certain things. People seem to think I was born yesterday or came down with the last rain shower!
Like I mentioned in the earlier vid when that pump blew up originally if they didn't get that system flushed they were just causing trouble down the line. Today with the new electronic sensors and crap, any particulates in the wrong place causes all sorts of system faults... Don't grease a grease fitting... yeah that's a crock, just trying to make excuses for a bad design.
New Holland=N.H.=No Hope_land Sorry Wes that you are in the mess you are in. Time is definitely $$$ and sitting on a not fixed hayer during a sunny day would give the same results as mowing the lawn in a snow storm. You deserve better!
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I love this video. I'm watching it for the 3rd time. I hope the people at New Holland see this. It has to be so frustrating to have something you paid so much money for sitting there unusable.
Just saw this video. This is hysterical! Pure genius, Wes! Wheel of misfortune! Great publicity for NH lol This IS a classic!!! 'makin' memories' :) your whole family will look back and laugh...
Jesus Christ, Wes, just seeing this video for the first time. Wheel of misfortune made me laugh so hard I about pissed myself. You're hysterical, and I always learn something from your vids. Thank you.
John Deere . Although I have to admit... with the insane prices JD is getting I would probably seriously consider the Heston at this point. Its old Tech but sometimes there is nothing wrong with that.
#onelonleyfarmer This why i love your channel man, you make me laugh every time. i know exactly how you feel when your machine is just a dump on wheels and even when you send in your machine to get it fixed or getting fixed right in front of you and it still isn't working right after words and runs like crap. I'm used to running machines that have close to 200,000 hours or 30 40 years on them and they work like a dream and hardly ever break down. im not a new holland fan on any of things they make. ive never have good luck with them no matter who owns it or how new it is. keep up with the awesome videos man and don't play with fire.
After seeing all the problems you have had with that rower, especially the steering problem, I doubt that steering stabilizers would correct the wobbling, maybe a bit more lean position or tilt of the king pins would make the steering wheels less likely to wobble while traveling down the road. As for the sensor problems it is having I have no idea or even a suggestion, I am an old school type of mechanic that is totally lost when it comes to computer controlled systems as that thing has. Good Luck on getting them to admit they are at fault and takes the machine back with a FULL REFUND of all you paid and returns the old rower plus re-imburses you for the time and money you have lost with this piece of equipment. I feel the same as you on anything that is mass produced and put on the market at ridiculous prices and it breaks down in less time than it took to deliver it from Messicks to your place. You have by far a lot more patience and composure than I would ever have about the situation.
Wes , I would tell them if they take it... to keep it! It has been un-productive ,a large loss of profit , and a headache...Some one owes you some money!!! Many Blessings, SMR
New Holland needs to pick up that POS tomorrow and give you either a new machine or a suitcase full of money for a refund. You have been much more than patient dealing with all the repairs over the last few months. It's brand new!!!!
Few years behind. But I got lawn mowers that cut 10 acres better then new Holland wind rowers. Hell I remember going to the hospital over one of the older new Hillary Pos things. Never again.
@onelonleyfarmer that was the best rant I have ever seen, good to see you`re standing your ground, id get rid of a money pit like that, enough hardship with it already.!
Put a front hitch on your 7810. front and rear claas mower and your good to good plenty of power for two mowers and fairly cheap to do. If one gets damaged you can still finish the job. We use them in nz where we tend to have thicker crops than the the UK etc and they work well
LMAO at the "Wheel of Misfortune"... Yeah I BET they didn't want that on TH-cam!!! Serves them right and you did the right thing posting it. Geez what a mess. I know the PITA that running old machinery can be, when everything seems to go south (or keeps going south) when you NEED to be in the field WORKING, not WORKING ON stuff at the shop or on the turn row... We, in a lot of cases, simply had NO CHOICE on a lot of things... we bought new tractors here and there over the years, and a new baler and hay mower, one new hay rake, and a new combine back in 74 (IIRC), BUT we never could afford to buy a new cotton picker, despite that being our main crop all those years-- they were simply TOO EXPENSIVE to ever afford for the acres and money we had. SO, we made do with used planters (for the most part, Grandpa had an old #18 Deere planter, Dad actually had a NEW Cole planter he got when he bought the David Brown back in like '75, which did a good job but had the old style "sword openers" and blackland type sweep and shovels style planter, so I retired it to the barn and replaced it with a used Deere 7100 4 row planter in 97 after we lost the 96 crop due to drought-- we lost all our moisture at planting due to the old style planter ripping the ground up and never got rain to bring the crop up. Everything else was pretty much used, including my ancient old hi-boy sprayer (a Barrentine which nobody's probably ever heard of... saved from the scrapyard and rebuilt by me). One thing DOES come to mind though about the used equipment-- like a bumper sticker I see now and again that always makes me laugh and nod in agreement says-- "Don't laugh-- it's paid for!" Quite true! NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING is worse than spending boku big bucks on a NEW machine, EXPECTING that you're buying quality and RELIABILITY, only to find out you've bought MORE PROBLEMS than you had before with the old machine you replaced... I mean that just SUCKS!!!! Just goes to show "just because it's new doesn't mean it's better"... Later and best of luck! OL J R : )
I used to work on Caterpillar pavers that were hydrostatic drive with closed loop propel, and when they failed it was a real mess. You had to drain all of the oil out of the machine and run a kidney loop machine in the tank with new oil for days changing filters on the machine and the kidney loop pump the machines were never the same. Usually low charge pressure is a indication of some sort of internal leak and the should have known that.
Wes, with as much trouble as you've had, I'd refuse delivery of this mower again, they'd have to prove it's repairs by at least 3 weeks straight flawless operation, by their own personel. No, but seriously it's lawyer time. And don't forget to try and include lost income, and legal fees. Too bad you can't get a big m dropped off for "demonstration" just as they are picking up the norower. Even occasionally waiting on parts, you wouldn't have been down as long as this thing has cost you. I would think the combination of control (no caster wheels to flail around), and swath of cut would be so superior, that even waiting on parts, you would possibly double what you could have done in a normal year, Let alone this fiasco. Just let them pick it up, but I recommend refusing delivery of that mower again. Hoping for better times wes, hoping for better times.
Refusing delivery is moot. Only other avenue Wes has on this machine was if it was financed with NH credit and I highly doubt that. I imagine he wrote a check. That makes it his. Working or not. New Holland/Messicks have their money. As long as they continue to work on it and try to remedy the problem and eventually make it run they have held up their end of their warranty deal. He gets a lawyer and he will just piss away more money and tie it up in court for over a year, all the while sitting with a piece of shit and needing something to put up hay. His best recourse in this whole shenanigan is trade it in on a New Deere. It's a 1XX hour 2014 New Holland Speedrower with remainder of Mfg warranty left on it. The Book will give them a value for trade. Shut your eyes, write the check, and never look back. New Holland will drag their feet on this pile of junk replacing any major expensive components until it's down to the gnat's ass. They will not exchange him with a brand new one. They will not take it back unless a court of law made them and as I said, the costs incurred doing that are make it a foolish move financially. 1 thing Wes has going for him is that when you get a good deal you tell your family, friends, and people you want to succeed. When you get fucked you tell everyone and anyone that will listen. Doesn't look good on New Holland when Wes' video is on their facebook page right under their post about the new Speedrowers at Husker Harvest Days this year. New Holland just cut their throat for public relations with any farmer on the net that likes watching the OLF videos. I know I will not own one of those pieces of shit after all the trouble Wes has had.
Whether Wes paid cash or financed it, doesn't alter the consumer protection laws. Under witch generally they get 5 attempts to fix the same problem, before they have to replace it. His getting a lawyer, will potentially speed it, as they don't want the extra cost of defense on top of the machine. In a case like this, with the video evidence, it would be easier to win, as there won't be a good question about the issues, and failed repairs.... As to the expense of the legal process, people have to do it with cars, and they come out of it, you don't think a machine that costs the same as 3 decent full size pickup trucks isn't worth the legal process.... I get it your part of the New Holland Hush up team, well, sorry, but you don't get to deny Wes his legal rights. If you want this to disappear, then do what the courts are going to order you to do, and what a respectable company would do, and replace the defective equipment. Most seem to be decent, but Wes got a bad one. Just swap it out, and lets get on with our livelihoods.....
Well, you're ignorant I see. Video evidence of him running it down the road with the alarm going off saying to slow down and he doesn't pull the hydro back and keeps going shows negligence. Yea, he's shown videos of it showing a code. Sitting on his yard. The head bogging down while swathing. What has he shown that will make this an easy win? You obviously haven't been in a court over shit like this. NH's lawyer'd up 24/7. Yea, it would probably come out in Wes' favor which is a good thing but your an idiot if you think these big companies don't know the game and haven't played it so many times in the past that they aren't going to take the avenue that profits them best. For them, that's stalling out. Praytell oh wise one where in the hell did you come up with the "fix it 5 times" malarky? Some number you dreamed up off the top of your head? P.S... I have no affiliation with NH in any way shape or form. I rooting for Wes' team and am a fan of his vids and success. Unlike you though, I have been through these shit sandwhiches before and merely listed the facts.
I Have not searched for New Jersey's "lemon law". My reference to five tries (for the same problem, not an ac, a clutch, a door, etc., it only applies for a situation like this-five times to fix the drive system / or hydraulic system / or five tries to get the seat to stay bolted down), is from what I have been told by those who have had issues in the past, that had to use the "lemon law", or bring it into consideration. My video "evidence" is the repeated problems, and complaints with the hydraulic system, as well as what Wes has discussed them them trying to fix on these videos that he posts. This shows an ongoing problem, from delivery to current. Not just a complaint that has been blown out of proportion to show more issue than what is there (trying to make a single failure look like a ongoing issue). Of course New Holland has a fleet of lawyers, they have to defend New Holland from scammers. The head bogging down, shows the header is not at full power, a issue that was supposed to be resolved and fixed already. Unless you are referring to the digging angle that he was doing when he first got it before he figured out the settings he needed to use. As to the drive "overspeed" alarm, no reasonable court, when he has explained it was partially for stability, was minimally above the alarm trigger, and was permitted by the machine without removing limiters, is going to penalize Wes for operating at those speeds, though they may question why he took it down the road in the first place..... Point blank, New Holland delivered DEFECTIVE equipment, sold as New, and Fully Functional. Wes has proof, it was defective, and that there have been several attempts to repair the same problems, including it sitting in the yard for a month, instead of working in the fields like it is designed to. You may have enough money to Eat defective equipment (and no, I don't believe John Deere will pay full value for defective equipment), but most people can't, and no one should have to.... Not even you.
I use to work in forestry replantion specifically field prep using log skidders to spray new tree planation sights then coming back and to trench it(basically plowing the woods) and most of the work is state land and alot if the logging sights they do are ones the saw mills didn't buy because how rough, rocky, hills,and even mtns and cliffs. Or areas where tourist wont see since logging is frowned upon by the uneducated. Well ling story short we use jd log skidders mainly G series and idk why but out of 4 same model skidders 3 American 1 European each one used a different shifter all electronic not linkage. And one machine I was one a sight that went straight down hill and was also side hills the whole way down. And I was at quite a side angle but also going up a steep hill and the machine was starting to spin out because it was quite a hill and I started lifting the trencher (thankfully) and jd had the great idea when this certain transmission code poped it would put itself in neutral and started flying down hill. Luckily I was able to straighten out and used the blade to catch a stump and stop because brakes were not doing it. if I still had the trencher down it would of broke and the machine would of ran it over but because of the hill it then could of caught and flip the machine straight on its back. After this it happened a few more times but never on a life threatening sight I couldn't believe that they would of out that in on a machine that is on crazy terrain. After finally going back to a town with service jd deleted the neutral lock in over the fucking internet even they didn't even have to co.e out.
Wes really has a problem with off-road Diesel engines built in Finland. Basically I believe he is confusing sisu engines with some other make of engine.
I am so sorry you are having so much trouble :( I had hoped that they would have got you fixed up. I really am sorry. I had hoped you'd post the video when I saw the pic on your IG account. I laughed...
Krone Big M! But in all seriousness, triple mowers on tractor are by far the best option in my opinion. I know you probably can't go as fast, but the working width of those things can be up to 9m wide, which I'm sure is a lot wider than the speedrowers. We use triple mowers on tractors of only 150hp and they cut hella fast even in thick crops.
those Massey's can be equipped with a double cripper to cut your drying time in half. I have a friend that has one and loves it (auto steer even works on his Deere planting tractor). the rest of us run Deere or new holland. the new holland TV 140 is a P.O.S. best of luck- you need it. P.S. I could pull some strings and get you a third machine (a Massey) to demo. one of my horse hay customers is a territory representative for Agco.
Send it back in MILLIONS OF PIECES and let Messicks to put it back together. And keep it. I'd try to make Messicks buy YOU a John Deere and take notes where New Holland went wrong.
I was born and raised on a red farm, I worked for IH, CaseIH, and CNH companies for the better part of 30 years, I have more " If it ain't red, keep it in the shed " bumper stickers than I can count, and I can tell you this. . . . It's time to get rid of that speedrower and buy a John Deere.
LOL, I just got to the point in the vid where Messics told you they want to flush the system... WHICH is what they should have done the minute that pump blew up, BUT when you take the cheap route and hope for the best, you often end up with something like the Norower 240 They gave you the headache that keeps on giving.
How detailed flushing a hydraulic system becomes is different for just about every piece of equipment, but it basically involves removing every loose particle of the destroyed part that has contaminated the system... Some companies have machines that can flush hydraulic systems, but there are several other ways of doing it as well.
onelonleyfarmer A can of brake cleaner? You can thank them for wanting to do the repair cheap and fast and hope for the best. Hydraulics systems in the past were finicky, an almost microscopic particle in the wrong place was endless headache.... but if you were LUCKY you could get away with not flushing the system. On today's hydraulic systems, you are lucky if you DO flush the system to not have a problem down the line with sensors and microscopic passages.. The No-rower 240 Ladies and Gentlemen, lets have a big hand for cheaping out on the repair!
I see that you acctually locked the cab to the PITA mower I would have left the keys in it and hope somebody would take it lol hope you get a better mower I can't wait to see it Wes :)
I actually know of someone who just got sick of one of his tractors. It was a McCormick, fairly new I think. He wanted an excuse to get a new tractor, so he hitched it up to a trailer, took it to the top of a hill, jumped out of it with the handbrake off. It gained speed and crashed, totally wrecked it split the bastard in half. Result!
that thing would piss off the pope. I hope things work out well for you cause that just sucks, plain and simple. The wheel of misfortune was pretty funny though. If I was new Holland, I would want that back immediately if not sooner. There's a lot of us watching, seeing them get a bad rap about their machine.
I did a little research and the JD is built by MacDon. Have not heard you talk about them. what your thoughts about those machines? love your videos Mike
Some people would be talking to them by hand and foot by now. Send them a bill for the advertisement that you have provided for them and new holland. Any company can have a bad unit, but it is how they handle it. They need to keep the customer working not trying to send them to the poor house. Have john deere bring a demonstrator, if it works well keep that unit NOT another one like it. Good Luck man.
Damn Wes hopefully new Holland take that damn thing back so u can get a better one when I was workin on the farm I worked for I was using a Heston windrower and I hated that damn thing
I haven't any doubts messicks will make it right with you . but I totally get why you're so pissed off. I'd be the same way. messicks should bring a loner mower when they come to pick up this pos. that way you can keep on working . you have to make hay when there is hay to be made .... good luck man!!
Honestly I farm out west here on the Oregon-Idaho border and Masseys are the top seller around here probably 10 to 1 over everything else......Ive heard no major complaints from guys I know running them....
This is definitely one of the classics from your best TH-cam days! I’m glad I watched it again!
i forgot how funny this was...
lol i just came back do see this gold 👍🏼
Same lol! I love this video! :)
its a bit of a classic now lol.
I think this is the first video of yours I saw. Been subbed ever since.
8 minutes to 8:30 is is by far the funniest part
Wes, i come back here about once every couple months to watch this video. Funny as hell 😂😂
I come back & watch this video every so often. I love it. I wonder what New Holland thought when they first saw it.
I understand frustration. . . . . .. but the control on that EPIC rant was PRICELESS!!!! Nothing like buying a new home worth of gear to sit in a field all day fuming. . . omg. . . .
As a small business owner my self who also uses equipment to make my living, I can appreciate your frustration in this video. thanks for sharing
Just seen this video for the first time. Having a good rant is worthwhile if it shows defective machinery up. And saves other farmers the pain . Plus New Holland would hate the bad PR . Years ago they would just say (well its never done that before!!) and get away with it , not anymore. A belated WELL DONE WES 👍👍
Lol, that wheel of missfortune was hilarious, and a very good add to NH :D ps. Wes, SISU engines are very, very good. Do not be afraid of Massey because of that, SISU engine on there might be the best thing of it. It sure beats that NH 6-0.
Great video Wes. Just recently subscribed and now watching some older videos. Keep up the good work and great videos.
Sorry to see your so anoyed. I can't imagine how frustrating this must all be. I HATE when you get someone come and try tell you something as stupid as you're over greasing the steering joints. I get it all the time with certain things. People seem to think I was born yesterday or came down with the last rain shower!
Like I mentioned in the earlier vid when that pump blew up originally if they didn't get that system flushed they were just causing trouble down the line. Today with the new electronic sensors and crap, any particulates in the wrong place causes all sorts of system faults... Don't grease a grease fitting... yeah that's a crock, just trying to make excuses for a bad design.
New Holland=N.H.=No Hope_land
Sorry Wes that you are in the mess you are in. Time is definitely $$$ and sitting on a not fixed hayer during a sunny day would give the same results as mowing the lawn in a snow storm. You deserve better!
The federal lemon law (the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act) was enacted in 1975 and protects citizens of all states. State lemon laws vary by state and may not necessarily cover used or leased cars, and other goods. The rights afforded to consumers by lemon laws may exceed the warranties expressed in purchase contracts. Lemon law is the common nickname for these laws, but each state has different names for the laws and acts.
I love this video. I'm watching it for the 3rd time. I hope the people at New Holland see this. It has to be so frustrating to have something you paid so much money for sitting there unusable.
Just saw this video. This is hysterical! Pure genius, Wes! Wheel of misfortune! Great publicity for NH lol This IS a classic!!! 'makin' memories' :) your whole family will look back and laugh...
Enjoying some of your old vids Wesley, this one made me laugh 😂. You’ve done a lot since then 👍🏻
Jesus Christ, Wes, just seeing this video for the first time. Wheel of misfortune made me laugh so hard I about pissed myself. You're hysterical, and I always learn something from your vids. Thank you.
John Deere . Although I have to admit... with the insane prices JD is getting I would probably seriously consider the Heston at this point. Its old Tech but sometimes there is nothing wrong with that.
#onelonleyfarmer This why i love your channel man, you make me laugh every time. i know exactly how you feel when your machine is just a dump on wheels and even when you send in your machine to get it fixed or getting fixed right in front of you and it still isn't working right after words and runs like crap. I'm used to running machines that have close to 200,000 hours or 30 40 years on them and they work like a dream and hardly ever break down. im not a new holland fan on any of things they make. ive never have good luck with them no matter who owns it or how new it is. keep up with the awesome videos man and don't play with fire.
wheel of misfortune. lol that was genius.
Going back through some of your old videos this one still cracks me up hahaha
After seeing all the problems you have had with that rower, especially the steering problem, I doubt that steering stabilizers would correct the wobbling, maybe a bit more lean position or tilt of the king pins would make the steering wheels less likely to wobble while traveling down the road. As for the sensor problems it is having I have no idea or even a suggestion, I am an old school type of mechanic that is totally lost when it comes to computer controlled systems as that thing has. Good Luck on getting them to admit they are at fault and takes the machine back with a FULL REFUND of all you paid and returns the old rower plus re-imburses you for the time and money you have lost with this piece of equipment. I feel the same as you on anything that is mass produced and put on the market at ridiculous prices and it breaks down in less time than it took to deliver it from Messicks to your place. You have by far a lot more patience and composure than I would ever have about the situation.
Wes , I would tell them if they take it... to keep it!
It has been un-productive ,a large loss of profit , and a headache...Some one owes you some money!!!
Many Blessings,
SMR
Your local Deere dealership is anxiously awaiting your business! Did you ever take up that fella on his offer to let you test out his awesome 235?
This made my day! Thanks Wes!
New Holland needs to pick up that POS tomorrow and give you either a new machine or a suitcase full of money for a refund. You have been much more than patient dealing with all the repairs over the last few months. It's brand new!!!!
that was hilarious can't wait to see what you do next on the topic
Few years behind. But I got lawn mowers that cut 10 acres better then new Holland wind rowers. Hell I remember going to the hospital over one of the older new Hillary Pos things. Never again.
@onelonleyfarmer that was the best rant I have ever seen, good to see you`re standing your ground, id get rid of a money pit like that, enough hardship with it already.!
i love all your videos!!!! cant wait for the next video
Put a front hitch on your 7810. front and rear claas mower and your good to good plenty of power for two mowers and fairly cheap to do. If one gets damaged you can still finish the job. We use them in nz where we tend to have thicker crops than the the UK etc and they work well
Sorry good to go
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Love your sense of humor!! :D
I am sorry to see all the bs. you are having to go thru, don't have a jammer or stroke out please!! Great videos, keep up the good work.
Wes you sometimes can come up with some really crazy stuff, love the tire roulette.
Wes, just 2 words: "John Deere"!! Nuff said. lol
LMAO at the "Wheel of Misfortune"... Yeah I BET they didn't want that on TH-cam!!! Serves them right and you did the right thing posting it.
Geez what a mess. I know the PITA that running old machinery can be, when everything seems to go south (or keeps going south) when you NEED to be in the field WORKING, not WORKING ON stuff at the shop or on the turn row... We, in a lot of cases, simply had NO CHOICE on a lot of things... we bought new tractors here and there over the years, and a new baler and hay mower, one new hay rake, and a new combine back in 74 (IIRC), BUT we never could afford to buy a new cotton picker, despite that being our main crop all those years-- they were simply TOO EXPENSIVE to ever afford for the acres and money we had. SO, we made do with used planters (for the most part, Grandpa had an old #18 Deere planter, Dad actually had a NEW Cole planter he got when he bought the David Brown back in like '75, which did a good job but had the old style "sword openers" and blackland type sweep and shovels style planter, so I retired it to the barn and replaced it with a used Deere 7100 4 row planter in 97 after we lost the 96 crop due to drought-- we lost all our moisture at planting due to the old style planter ripping the ground up and never got rain to bring the crop up. Everything else was pretty much used, including my ancient old hi-boy sprayer (a Barrentine which nobody's probably ever heard of... saved from the scrapyard and rebuilt by me).
One thing DOES come to mind though about the used equipment-- like a bumper sticker I see now and again that always makes me laugh and nod in agreement says-- "Don't laugh-- it's paid for!" Quite true! NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING is worse than spending boku big bucks on a NEW machine, EXPECTING that you're buying quality and RELIABILITY, only to find out you've bought MORE PROBLEMS than you had before with the old machine you replaced... I mean that just SUCKS!!!!
Just goes to show "just because it's new doesn't mean it's better"...
Later and best of luck! OL J R : )
I used to work on Caterpillar pavers that were hydrostatic drive with closed loop propel, and when they failed it was a real mess. You had to drain all of the oil out of the machine and run a kidney loop machine in the tank with new oil for days changing filters on the machine and the kidney loop pump the machines were never the same. Usually low charge pressure is a indication of some sort of internal leak and the should have known that.
Wes, with as much trouble as you've had, I'd refuse delivery of this mower again, they'd have to prove it's repairs by at least 3 weeks straight flawless operation, by their own personel.
No, but seriously it's lawyer time. And don't forget to try and include lost income, and legal fees.
Too bad you can't get a big m dropped off for "demonstration" just as they are picking up the norower. Even occasionally waiting on parts, you wouldn't have been down as long as this thing has cost you. I would think the combination of control (no caster wheels to flail around), and swath of cut would be so superior, that even waiting on parts, you would possibly double what you could have done in a normal year, Let alone this fiasco.
Just let them pick it up, but I recommend refusing delivery of that mower again.
Hoping for better times wes, hoping for better times.
Refusing delivery is moot. Only other avenue Wes has on this machine was if it was financed with NH credit and I highly doubt that. I imagine he wrote a check. That makes it his. Working or not. New Holland/Messicks have their money. As long as they continue to work on it and try to remedy the problem and eventually make it run they have held up their end of their warranty deal. He gets a lawyer and he will just piss away more money and tie it up in court for over a year, all the while sitting with a piece of shit and needing something to put up hay.
His best recourse in this whole shenanigan is trade it in on a New Deere. It's a 1XX hour 2014 New Holland Speedrower with remainder of Mfg warranty left on it. The Book will give them a value for trade. Shut your eyes, write the check, and never look back.
New Holland will drag their feet on this pile of junk replacing any major expensive components until it's down to the gnat's ass. They will not exchange him with a brand new one. They will not take it back unless a court of law made them and as I said, the costs incurred doing that are make it a foolish move financially.
1 thing Wes has going for him is that when you get a good deal you tell your family, friends, and people you want to succeed. When you get fucked you tell everyone and anyone that will listen.
Doesn't look good on New Holland when Wes' video is on their facebook page right under their post about the new Speedrowers at Husker Harvest Days this year.
New Holland just cut their throat for public relations with any farmer on the net that likes watching the OLF videos. I know I will not own one of those pieces of shit after all the trouble Wes has had.
Whether Wes paid cash or financed it, doesn't alter the consumer protection laws. Under witch generally they get 5 attempts to fix the same problem, before they have to replace it. His getting a lawyer, will potentially speed it, as they don't want the extra cost of defense on top of the machine. In a case like this, with the video evidence, it would be easier to win, as there won't be a good question about the issues, and failed repairs....
As to the expense of the legal process, people have to do it with cars, and they come out of it, you don't think a machine that costs the same as 3 decent full size pickup trucks isn't worth the legal process....
I get it your part of the New Holland Hush up team, well, sorry, but you don't get to deny Wes his legal rights. If you want this to disappear, then do what the courts are going to order you to do, and what a respectable company would do, and replace the defective equipment. Most seem to be decent, but Wes got a bad one. Just swap it out, and lets get on with our livelihoods.....
Well, you're ignorant I see. Video evidence of him running it down the road with the alarm going off saying to slow down and he doesn't pull the hydro back and keeps going shows negligence. Yea, he's shown videos of it showing a code. Sitting on his yard. The head bogging down while swathing. What has he shown that will make this an easy win? You obviously haven't been in a court over shit like this. NH's lawyer'd up 24/7. Yea, it would probably come out in Wes' favor which is a good thing but your an idiot if you think these big companies don't know the game and haven't played it so many times in the past that they aren't going to take the avenue that profits them best. For them, that's stalling out. Praytell oh wise one where in the hell did you come up with the "fix it 5 times" malarky? Some number you dreamed up off the top of your head? P.S... I have no affiliation with NH in any way shape or form. I rooting for Wes' team and am a fan of his vids and success. Unlike you though, I have been through these shit sandwhiches before and merely listed the facts.
I Have not searched for New Jersey's "lemon law". My reference to five tries (for the same problem, not an ac, a clutch, a door, etc., it only applies for a situation like this-five times to fix the drive system / or hydraulic system / or five tries to get the seat to stay bolted down), is from what I have been told by those who have had issues in the past, that had to use the "lemon law", or bring it into consideration. My video "evidence" is the repeated problems, and complaints with the hydraulic system, as well as what Wes has discussed them them trying to fix on these videos that he posts. This shows an ongoing problem, from delivery to current. Not just a complaint that has been blown out of proportion to show more issue than what is there (trying to make a single failure look like a ongoing issue). Of course New Holland has a fleet of lawyers, they have to defend New Holland from scammers.
The head bogging down, shows the header is not at full power, a issue that was supposed to be resolved and fixed already. Unless you are referring to the digging angle that he was doing when he first got it before he figured out the settings he needed to use. As to the drive "overspeed" alarm, no reasonable court, when he has explained it was partially for stability, was minimally above the alarm trigger, and was permitted by the machine without removing limiters, is going to penalize Wes for operating at those speeds, though they may question why he took it down the road in the first place.....
Point blank, New Holland delivered DEFECTIVE equipment, sold as New, and Fully Functional. Wes has proof, it was defective, and that there have been several attempts to repair the same problems, including it sitting in the yard for a month, instead of working in the fields like it is designed to.
You may have enough money to Eat defective equipment (and no, I don't believe John Deere will pay full value for defective equipment), but most people can't, and no one should have to.... Not even you.
I use to work in forestry replantion specifically field prep using log skidders to spray new tree planation sights then coming back and to trench it(basically plowing the woods) and most of the work is state land and alot if the logging sights they do are ones the saw mills didn't buy because how rough, rocky, hills,and even mtns and cliffs. Or areas where tourist wont see since logging is frowned upon by the uneducated. Well ling story short we use jd log skidders mainly G series and idk why but out of 4 same model skidders 3 American 1 European each one used a different shifter all electronic not linkage. And one machine I was one a sight that went straight down hill and was also side hills the whole way down. And I was at quite a side angle but also going up a steep hill and the machine was starting to spin out because it was quite a hill and I started lifting the trencher (thankfully) and jd had the great idea when this certain transmission code poped it would put itself in neutral and started flying down hill. Luckily I was able to straighten out and used the blade to catch a stump and stop because brakes were not doing it. if I still had the trencher down it would of broke and the machine would of ran it over but because of the hill it then could of caught and flip the machine straight on its back. After this it happened a few more times but never on a life threatening sight I couldn't believe that they would of out that in on a machine that is on crazy terrain. After finally going back to a town with service jd deleted the neutral lock in over the fucking internet even they didn't even have to co.e out.
Your wheel of fortune is terrific!
Wes really has a problem with off-road Diesel engines built in Finland. Basically I believe he is confusing sisu engines with some other make of engine.
I can't believe the Norower was 5 years ago already!
Buy the John Deere, and sell that one to LOLTomatoes. problem solved
I am so sorry you are having so much trouble :( I had hoped that they would have got you fixed up. I really am sorry. I had hoped you'd post the video when I saw the pic on your IG account. I laughed...
I miss these old videos so much lol
That sucks about the mower for sure.. and I can relate to your anger.... but damn that wheel of misfourtune was funny as fuck hahaha!!!!
Still one of the best videos
2014 was a long time ago now.
I’ve been watching you for a long time now I keep going back and watching those no rower videos just because I love him
onelonleyfarmer I really hate you I really fucking hate you
What about one of the claas triple mowers that would mount on something like the 4960?
I bloody love this vid the no rower comedy sketch 😂😂😂
Funniest video I think you have made so far!
Krone Big M!
But in all seriousness, triple mowers on tractor are by far the best option in my opinion. I know you probably can't go as fast, but the working width of those things can be up to 9m wide, which I'm sure is a lot wider than the speedrowers. We use triple mowers on tractors of only 150hp and they cut hella fast even in thick crops.
those Massey's can be equipped with a double cripper to cut your drying time in half. I have a friend that has one and loves it (auto steer even works on his Deere planting tractor). the rest of us run Deere or new holland. the new holland TV 140 is a P.O.S. best of luck- you need it.
P.S. I could pull some strings and get you a third machine (a Massey) to demo. one of my horse hay customers is a territory representative for Agco.
Send it back in MILLIONS OF PIECES and let Messicks to put it back together. And keep it. I'd try to make Messicks buy YOU a John Deere and take notes where New Holland went wrong.
I was born and raised on a red farm, I worked for IH, CaseIH, and CNH companies for the better part of 30 years, I have more " If it ain't red, keep it in the shed " bumper stickers than I can count, and I can tell you this. . . . It's time to get rid of that speedrower and buy a John Deere.
Lol.....get ready bud were in a all day wash out over here in Michigan. P.s I vote gerbils...lol
LOL, I just got to the point in the vid where Messics told you they want to flush the system... WHICH is what they should have done the minute that pump blew up, BUT when you take the cheap route and hope for the best, you often end up with something like the Norower 240 They gave you the headache that keeps on giving.
can you explain how to flush a hydraulic system and what is used to do it.
How detailed flushing a hydraulic system becomes is different for just about every piece of equipment, but it basically involves removing every loose particle of the destroyed part that has contaminated the system... Some companies have machines that can flush hydraulic systems, but there are several other ways of doing it as well.
rusty shank all i saw was a can of break cleaner!!!!
onelonleyfarmer A can of brake cleaner? You can thank them for wanting to do the repair cheap and fast and hope for the best. Hydraulics systems in the past were finicky, an almost microscopic particle in the wrong place was endless headache.... but if you were LUCKY you could get away with not flushing the system. On today's hydraulic systems, you are lucky if you DO flush the system to not have a problem down the line with sensors and microscopic passages.. The No-rower 240 Ladies and Gentlemen, lets have a big hand for cheaping out on the repair!
I see that you acctually locked the cab to the PITA mower I would have left the keys in it and hope somebody would take it lol hope you get a better mower I can't wait to see it Wes :)
Good one on making a crappy situation into a good laugh!
Is it ever possible to over-grease something? Doesn't the grease just come out if you put a lot in?
This just popped up recommended. LOL first one I ever watched.
What you think about vermeer mowers? TM1200 or TM1400. No conditioning but 18 ft cutting swath can be an acre eater. If not get a deere sp. Good luck
It seemed like New Holland was better when they were still owned by Sperry prior to the 1986 buyout from Ford then Fiat later.
Lmfao!!! The wheel of misfortune! Thats great!
I actually know of someone who just got sick of one of his tractors. It was a McCormick, fairly new I think. He wanted an excuse to get a new tractor, so he hitched it up to a trailer, took it to the top of a hill, jumped out of it with the handbrake off. It gained speed and crashed, totally wrecked it split the bastard in half. Result!
LOL at to much grease in the rear axle seriously ? Time to go green Wes I'd be fed up with it to. Wheel of mis-fortune that was awesome Good video !
hej ja sam iz hrvatske. i mi imamo takvih problema video su ti super. stalno ih gledam
Right to be pissed , love the wheel !!!!
lol
ya i;d bee pie eye too....still wanna see how you load the hey barn or what you with those huge bails
Did I miss it. If you have metal shavings then you have metal on metal contact right? So are the pumps or motors getting chewed up? Just thinking.
I love the video it is just grate entertainment.
that thing would piss off the pope. I hope things work out well for you cause that just sucks, plain and simple. The wheel of misfortune was pretty funny though. If I was new Holland, I would want that back immediately if not sooner. There's a lot of us watching, seeing them get a bad rap about their machine.
bad to see Wess. First impression a lose wire in the area off the oil bin. I think they had to take a wire loos to take the bin out.
I hope they give your money back. That is such BS having to deal with all the break downs.
hate to see the troubles...but i love your rants
In full context this is one of the funniest real videos on youtube.
I love the wheel of misfortune! Due justice brother!
I did a little research and the JD is built by MacDon. Have not heard you talk about them. what your thoughts about those machines? love your videos
Mike
Some people would be talking to them by hand and foot by now. Send them a bill for the advertisement that you have provided for them and new holland. Any company can have a bad unit, but it is how they handle it. They need to keep the customer working not trying to send them to the poor house. Have john deere bring a demonstrator, if it works well keep that unit NOT another one like it. Good Luck man.
Damn Wes hopefully new Holland take that damn thing back so u can get a better one when I was workin on the farm I worked for I was using a Heston windrower and I hated that damn thing
32 fucking miles driving a swather? fuck! man!
Ooooh nooo you've got gremlins.
I haven't any doubts messicks will make it right with you . but I totally get why you're so pissed off. I'd be the same way.
messicks should bring a loner mower when they come to pick up this pos. that way you can keep on working . you have to make hay when there is hay to be made .... good luck man!!
Its hard to fly with the eagles. When you have turkeys for a ground crew. Hope the new Deere works good. Ares do
Thats fucking awesome Wes, I may have pulled my double hernia I had fixed in March I laughed so hard, but damn that was funny...Jack
Gotta make hay while the sun shines.
dude lam so happy l don't have your problems l hope everything works out for ya soon
Never bought parts from messicks but the way u make em out to be im kinda glad I didn't
And I cheered when I told MLWJ "He got out the Wheel of Misfortune!"
Too bad NJ doesnt have a "Lemon Law" on farm Equipment. I feel for you.
Love the wheel of misfortune fucking brilliant!! Hate seeing you struggling with NH.
lovly machine that is ;);)
Love the wheel of foundern
Shitty deal. Put it to them Wes. You paid good money, not junk money. You should get a good product. I wouldn't let them get away with it either.
Waiting on pins and nettles to see how this comes out. Might be time to call the Office of Consumer Protection. That thing IS A LEMON!
Honestly I farm out west here on the Oregon-Idaho border and Masseys are the top seller around here probably 10 to 1 over everything else......Ive heard no major complaints from guys I know running them....
great
love the wheel of misfortune lol
Would u recommend new holland?
Get a Krone big m 420. Best mower I've ever operated.