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Looking At The Massey Baler
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ส.ค. 2024
- This video is about Looking At The Massey Baler for the first time. i am not sure if this is good or not but i do know that i wont be buying this from this dealer...
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As for the Heston Dealer..................Hay season is over, the dealer has inventory he needs to move off of his books before January ( Tax Season ) . He is NOT going to special order new Inventory when the priority is to get rid of the old inventory. The only strategy is to wait to early December and watch him drop his price below cost to get that equipment out the door.......
There's an impressive video called "JCB and Krone high speed baling" by George Saunders. Well worth checking it out.
I'm amazed that they don't want to sell the type of baler your looking for! It suggests to me that they have experienced significant problems with other mulch hay farmers.
+Dan Whiteford Exactly the reason they don't want to sell him a baler.
Funny story here! I am a service mechanic at a CaseIH Dealer in the Netherlands and we sold our first CaseIH LB434r big baler. We were at the costumors house and everything went well! Putting the twine in etc..
But then it happend! When we were at the field turning on the PTO, the second the picp-up grabbed some straw it clocked up!
We didn't see it at first what was wrong but at a second look we saw it!
There were 2 right side augers mounted!! So the left auger was pushing the straw to the left instead to the middle!!
I never experienced this stupid mistake but it did happen!!
Quickly i ordered a new LEFT auger and the next morning it went wel!
Further the Baler did his job pretty perfect if you ask me!!
Wes, thanks for introducing me to the world of farming Hay and the balers. It's quite interesting to two old row cop Grandfather's grandson. Getting the baler you want sure is a pain in the ass!
We run a 2190 massey baler and apart from load arm sensors its faultless! 4500 bales a year for the last 5 years
HEY WES
I farm here in central utah, we have been baling with a massey/hesston 2250 standard packer model for two summers now and haven't had a single issue with it, and that massey baler will bale twice and as much hay at twice the speed as the new holland rotor models in this area and kick out heavier and better looking bales, the pickup and stuffer is running quit a bit faster than the older balers were probably 30-40% faster, and the pickup tine bars are a double cam configuration. i thought you might like the info.
Wes I've worked on farm equipment for many years my only suggestion it to keep it simple the more it has on it means that more things go wrong. what ever you choose you will have to work on it so I would also look at the parts department see how fast it takes to receive parts
We run a Massey-Ferguson 2270XD. It's the best Baler I've ever owned. I don't like the design of the CNH or Krone Balers. Truthfully though I think the Claas is the best big Baler on the market
Hesston is the best, old familiar technique. best regards from Denmark.
my baler is identical to the 334 p double chains have not had any pick up problems since new in 2013 !
You had mentioned before about them not wanting to sell you the baler you wanted. Makes me think the baler you want from them will not hold up and thats why they dont want to sell to you. Whereas if they get you to buy the smaller one built up to the big baler "standard" and it doesnt work out, then they can blame you and not he machine or the design.
I liked the JD baler to a point but still believe the KRON--AH wil suit your needs better. I was at the farm science review in Columbus Ohio and was able to look over NH, JD and Krone balers to me the KRONE looked to be the best made. I feel you get what you pay for to an extent and its the quality your getting from KRONE that is the more expensive part. But wth do I know I dont make hay, Im just saying the KRONE looked to be much better built. The feel of the metal and little things they do to the machine with the operator in mind seems to put them ahead in my book. Sorry for the book reply... lol Keep up the great videos!
we have a 2150 series baler. we use a ford 9000 for baling. the 2150 is an amazing piece of machinery. Wes, i suggest you get this or the john deere.
Looks and sounds like the JD is the way to go for you. It would be nice to see an all green fleet.
Maybe a trip over to lancaster county is in order. I think there's gotta be a 2270 to look at over there.
Call Houghtailing garage in middlebury center PA and talk to Kevin about a krone baler he will do whatever in his power to sell you one and they have the knowledge to fix it after the sale
+cattleman25 really? might be worth a call
I love these baler comparisons videos. You should also visit the krone , claas and kuhn dealers , if not for your own then do it for the viewers.
There are a couple of farms close to me that use the Claas Quadrants for mulch for the mushroom plant down here. Ever look at them? The Deere looks good though!
to bad about your Hesston dealer. our dealer had all models in stock. the xd baler is a much heavier machine than the standard. it has an 1100 pound flywheel, the standard model has 690. the whole machine is built heavier for the demands of extra compaction. that dealer is full of it! we bought a 2270 in july, and it runs great! we went for the standard because we do primarily alfalfa and the bales are about 1500 to 1700 pounds, so we have no problem reaching legal weight limits.
Shopping for a baler interesting videos Love It
What's the difference between a crop cutter and a packer model? Not a farmer so I have no idea.
I do round bales and I've always used new holland but we just recently bought a case and even tho case and new holland are pretty much the same the case seems to work better especially with the electrical part of it. The new holland was a 2006 and my case now is a 2005 so basically they are same model balers.
Something to think about is also consider your resale value in two years. I know in some parts of this country certain brands hold there trade in value better than others. Here in central Texas if it isn't green your going to loose at least 20-50% value in two years if not more quicker. Have fun shopping around and looking at the equipment. We got 9.5" of rain over the weekend. Keep posting Wes great videos😀😀🚜🚜
+Cody Jones holy crap no drought there!
now here's a man who don't let these fancy talking salesman sell you something you know you don't want !!! way to go Tim !
Concerning your pickup problems. Have you thought about making your windrows smaller, and running your baler at a higher ground speed to compensate? I mention this because from time to time I see that you will come to a complete stop to allow the baler to digest a huge clump or allow the over ride clutch to re engage . Smaller windrows/higher ground speed may allow you to run more efficently with less down time?? Just a thought
on those headers it looked like each sprocket had its own individual metal plate that attached it to the header. seems that would make repair easier if any of the shafts were to become buggered up. you wouldn't have the issue you have now with that top sprocket in your current baler where you can't replace that stubby shaft it rides on.
Bummer he doesn't want to sell! Massey is the only way to go!
Ran a krone baler and a Heston. Krone was by far the nicer machine, The roter system worked great and could take in a ton of hay!
can you go over the difference between a cutter and packer baler?
What's the difference between packer and cutter?
I wouldn't give up on the hesston, maybe find a diff dealer. Too bad he treated you like that. I have ran both balers, your new holland and a 2170, 2270, 2190 masseys. The pickup capacity on the massey will feed more hay than your new holland. The massey pickup has been on the 2000 series for 2 generations now and not much of it has changed. I love the simplicity of the massey/ hesston balers they have a good thing going. There is a reason its the number 1 selling baler in the mid west and western states.
So I have no experience with big bailers at all. Please someone tell me this difference between a crop cutter and a packer style bailer please. BTW- why won't the Case dealer sell you what you want? Seems like they're afraid you'll trash them if their bailer doesn't perform!!! Another great video Wes!!!
Hey Wes can you order a case or Heston pickup for your newholland ? I thought they were the same thing and fix the problems with the newholland you have ? Since you said your going to replace the header anyway ?
Seems like everyone is running a double chain now besides New Holland.
Looks like you could get the best of both worlds with the caseih baler.... better pickup with the same inside baler design of the new holland?
Wess, Can you explain the difference between Packer Model/ Cutter Model / Super packer Model? Beware of dealers trying to change your mind, Their are trying to talk you into something they like/have and not necessarily what you need. Its ok to keep looking, but so far JD has my vote.
Hey wes how's things from Ireland! How would a claas big square baler compare to what you have been looking at?
My uncle runs a massey baler 3x3 runs just great except rock issues sometimes but oh well
What header drive system does the John Deere use?
nice overview
Hey! they all looked like nice machines but I do not know what they are in the first place. Do they ever ask for input from you ? I worked in a Bookbinding shop and I was the drill man When they bought a new machine I asked all kinds of questions good and bad .
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I'd say go for the JD man until NH can get their head out their ass and put in a double drive header for that baler which makes me wonder if they actually make a double drive header for that baler u have and they are just not telling you about it. keep up the good work love the videos hope things start looking on the up and up for ya man
you should look at a NH bb9090
If you find the Heston that you want you will like it
Wait a minute.... Didn't you have a baler, been awhile back, maybe the one that got demolished by the rock, that had the offside augers driven by a sprocket on the tine reel on that side, with the reel driven off the other side of the baler (and the stub augers on that side also driven by the same drive sprocket turning the reel?? I remember seeing in the videos from back then that the reel shaft was breaking in the middle and causing all kinds of problems for you, which you attributed to 1) too small of a center shaft on the tine reel and 2) driving the stub augers through the center shaft of the tine reel, thereby overloading it. Seems I remember you talking about how it needed to be driven by something else or have a jackshaft or something to driven not only the stub augers but also that end of the tine reel as well... I remember when the new baler arrived with the top auger going all the way across with the paddles in the center and driving the offside stub augers that you spoke about what an improvement that was over driving them off the tine reel shaft....
I certainly wouldn't be in any rush to switch back to THAT system...
As for the dealer, that's an asshat salesman. I'd talk to the owner, unless he WAS the owner. When you're shelling out the kind of money you're talking about, they SHOULD be "hat in hand" asking "What is it you want, SIR?" Not telling you "Nah, you don't know WTF you're talking about, what you need is THIS" and then giving a shuck-n-jive job trying to sell you WHAT THEY HAVE ON HAND rather than GETTING WHAT YOU WANT. He's selling to smaller operators or noobs or something; he's not getting the top-end balers in and wants to move what's been sitting on the lot that hasn't moved (probably because he's getting the lower end models and the bigger guys won't waste their time with it) and he's trying to "make it into the big model" by swapping a few parts or something instead of just biting the bullet and ordering what you want for you to make the sale.
Any dealer that gives me that sort of shuck-n-jive routine, I take off... Oh, they make it sound good, but basically they're saying to you, "You're too stupid to know what you need-- If I lay it on thick enough, I can sell you what I have on hand and make a bundle for just filling out some paperwork..." I don't put up with that bullshit. When I buy something, I research it THOROUGHLY and I know what I need and want before I ever go in. I want a salesman who's going to listen to what I'm saying-- take it into consideration, and if I AM misunderstanding something or if he has a different take on it, who's willing to explain their viewpoint or understanding of it and then we can go from there... and who, at the end of the day, if I STILL say, "yep, I heard what you said, but I still want "X" will be willing to say, "Alrighty then, lets start the paperwork" without giving me a lot of shit.
"Refusing" to sell me a baler means that dealer would rather NOT make a sale than order what you really want. It's a shitty attitude to have and if the dealer is such an ASS about it when you're just TALKING to them and wanting to get more info or get a demo or something, I GUARANTEE they're going to be WORTHLESS when you inevitably end up having some sort of problem or other with the machine at some point....
Better to cut you losses and go talk to another Massey dealer if you're interested in their machinery. That guy is a bad used car salesman... a loser...
Later! OL J R :)
Well, one thing certain, the picture gets clearer as the candidates diminish. A lot like the primaries.
hi wes if you get a krone demo check where -who made the bearings! in it. had to replace every bearing on a 8 rotor krone tedders wheels . they were cheap quality not made in Germany. just bought in wheel assembly's with tyres made in china
Try Binkley and Hurst They are a Massey dealer.
Wes, if you pass a NH dealer one day ,please stop and show us if the new NH balers changed to double chains both sides as well, just for info, I know wouldn't buy one but will be interesting, this video material is very good, nice scenary etc
Have you seen a case Bales
Crop cutter was the Deere you tried out a crop cutter model
new Holland bought out case . we've got the newest NH round baler and the dealer man said run it to her you won't plug it Johnson grass thick hay and that baler did better then the JD my grandpa used to have which I thought JD was a very good baler kinda of high tho when new Holland can do it for half the price
I've had similar experiences with salesman wanting to sell me what they want to sell. I've found you just have to tell them if you want my business you sell me what I want to buy or you can shove your business and I'll go else were.
how is Tim's little CJ doing?
Hi Wes, could a NH/Case packer model pickup be installed on a NH/Case cutter model?
Nope
Your salesman reminds me of a firearms TV show I suffered through one episode of. I changed channels after watching the owner rant about having to coat a 1911, pink for a woman, if it had been me I would have been trying to sell her matching magazines and a holster. What happened to selling the customer what he wants or failing that explaining why in your opinion what they want will not be in their best interests?
wes , take a paper super market bag , set down and cut up some old phone books to make what resembles stacks of cash , fill the bag to look like it has enough cash in it to pay cash for a bailer , go back to this dealer and walk in with it , and say you know I wanted a xd bailer , and you refused to get me one , see this bag , well that is the $ you will not be getting , because I am buying a deere , they will get me what I want ... the point is the look on his face , and the feeling in his gut would be very satisfying for you , and us , because your camera will be in the bag , we won't see , but we will get to hear it ;) you know that sounds like pure fun , admit it LMAO
+towrecker You really think a dealer would want to count out $100,000 , lol. what dealers want is a finance deal so they get a commission from the finance company. Go to a car dealer with a large amount of cash , makes them cringe.
+Kilhamjim never had a wrecker dealer say one word over cash , they love cash ... and some of mine were far over 100k ...
+towrecker a wrecker dealer is a whole different animal
+towrecker Yea, something to do with tax evasion aint it. But why would a machinery dealer want the trouble of counting all that money out when he could transfer $100'000 with the press of a button on an I-phone.
+Kilhamjim farmers , and wrecker owners are alike in many ways , we deal in cash , hundred dollar bills do not crash , fail to swipe , nor require anything more than handing them over , and for tax evasion HA how could you evade taxes on a purchase ? I assume you think we make our own license plate too to evade paying those taxes , or live in a cardboard box under an overpass to evade property taxes too ? get a life , we work our asses off , make good money , pay more taxes in one year than you ever will flopping your whoppers in your lifetime , we simply believe in God , Guns , and Cash on the barrelhead son !!!
I´m wondering wasn´t Hesston at one time owned by Fiat?
seems crazy that he doesn't want to sell you a baler
will tell u why....... the salesman watches wes,es vids dats why....he,s afraid of onelonley veryangry farmer next season..lol lol
It always amazes me How when you go some where and you have researched and know what you want to buy you know spend money and some sales man wants to sell you what he wants to sell you, guess he made enough money that week
Why wouldn’t they want to sell you an XD bailer?
Wow what you think of that! Dont the cutters work the same on all balers? Whats the problem of not selling you one. Have you got an idea?
+Breedam1 doesn't want to be torn apart on utube, he has absolutely no confidence in the machine he's selling, that's a joke!
+buffranchAB The other side of the coin. If OLF buys a JD and it performs well and is sturdy and he likes his new baler then JD will get all the +++++ and the other brands that did not show up will be left in the dust.
Even the krone might be badly designed. Why does it require such a powerful tractor ( cause that wheel ) when normal people drive around with other balers and weaker tractors and bale just fine ..... isn't that to be considered a design flaw .... that the baler is power hungry?
Ever tried at claas?
And Claas balers?
I could be wrong and I actually kinda like it but I think u might be getting a little to excited about this equipment :)
Perhaps the MF dealer doesn't want to sell you an XD baler because he knows that you bale a lot more hay than the average bear and that particular baler won't hold up for two of your haying seasons. Why lose money on excessive warranty work and service calls when they can sell the baler to a smaller farm that might keep it for 5 years.
I've had the same issue with car dealers. Some are only interested in selling you what's on the lot. If you're not interested I what's on the lot, their attitude seems to be no big deal, another guy will walk up soon enough.
As normal case IH product is produced to a higher standard than NH
What do you think???
Nope all the same
That is a mystery to me too, some dealers do not want to sell something although customer clearly knows what he wants/needs. Odd kind of salesman/dealers... well, it's their loss. But i know that feeling too, pisses me off kinda too that kind of "dealing" Hope you'll find some MF dealer who actually want's to sell his machines :) OR that JD is sure a good option. Id give it a try when it's clear that you trade it again in few years, i am almost certain it can't be worse than the shitpickup-NH ;)
And, I don't know if you like them but What about Claas with their Quadrant balers?
Or what about Fendt balers or don't they sell them in the USA?
+bonnieboy53 Went to the Fendt USA home page. It appears all they sell in the US is the 500, 700, 800, and 900 series tractors. Would guess this means the dealers fill out the other equipment lines with other brands.
+bonnieboy53 Fendt balers are made by Hesston just the same baler as a Massey Ferguson baler only in a different colour that's all!
How can he not sale you a baler at over a hundred grand and survive as a business?
go for the jd if the dealer is close to you parts should not be a problem looks a stronger machine to me
It has been my experience that if they don't want to talk about it then he can't get it. OR he had hell with one that was sold in the past.
He doesn't want to sell you a baler, !!!! word has maybe got around the dealers and they watch your videos .
So did you spell "lonely" wrong on purpose or is that how you thought it was spelled....
You should get a johndeere round baler
Guess that salesman has the knack to either piss off customers or turn them to other dealers.
Hey Wes? Did you get those hydraulic 60 parts?
I did yes thank your so much
+onelonleyfarmer I dont know where the sleeves went. Thought they were screwed together. Oh well you have what I could find. Also you can see what I was saying about the difference of how they were either for the lift of the arms or hydraulic supply. Maybe make a vid showing the two and a update on the yellow 60?
+wi11y1960 if you find those i will pay the shipping
Wes have you ever stopped to think, that the stronger your TH-cam channel gets, the less dealers will want to deal with you, because if their product doesn't perform to your expectations you will broadcast the short comings of their product on TH-cam. Just a thought.
same dealer that sold him the pos hay wagon
its your money wes you buy what you want to buy..
Indeed! Whatever he thinks will work for his setup
go with the green!
+Adrian Higgins You are right, he should go for a Fendt baler, great machines.
+Bravo11090 I mean green and yellow. John Deere.
+Adrian Higgins Yes, green crops feeding through a yellow and red new NH. Just joking !!!!
Bravo11090 fendt is same as mf/hesston
+Bravo11090 It's the same baler as the Massey Ferguson baler, the only stand alone baler is the KRONE 1290!
don't you know once you go green you never go back lol I liked the way the John Deere baker bailed your hay they were very nicely packed nice and square bale it looked very well made at that I'm not buying but if I was I'd get the JD
Is get the Deere, just because of it's name
their xp baler may be haveing troubles and he is trying to sell you the better of the 2 trouble free wise
you were in bethel !
And it's John Deere fir the WIN !!!😄
I'm not even a farmer, yet it seems absurd to me that a salesman should act like an antisalesman. One would think that he'd be bending over backwards to show Wes the superiority (real or imagined) of his flagship baler and doing everything possible to secure the sale. I wonder if his boss approves of these tactics? A potential lost commission in this competitive day and age?
He must have been watching Wes's videos and decided he didn't wish to subject the Massey to the same scrutiny in public, should some part perform below par.
Cool fall and winter clothing???? Shouldnt that be "Warm fall and winter clothing"?
Have you looked at the Case balers ?
They are new holland
+onelonleyfarmer But Is The pickup realy the same ?
+onelonleyfarmer From the looks of what you saw there, the header on the Case looks to be a completely different system to what is on the New Holland. Surely worth investigating further, even just to get a demo?
+Tomás Sheehan its the same as my old standard 340
+onelonleyfarmer pity they can't come up with a better system for the crop cutter models. Best of luck with the hunt for the new machine, I think you'll be going green!
Maybe they know about your TH-cam channel??? You post what happens to your equipment.
why not stick with NH they've been in the buiss longer they made the first square baler first mower conditioner . Like they say new Holland sets the pace the rest chase .
Ummm.. yeah watch the other vids with all the breakdowns and crap... rather stupid for a practically new baler with about 17,000 bales on it, that's supposed to be a 100,000 bale machine...
Just because "they invented this or that" doesn't mean a damn thing... EVERYBODY has come out with their "lemons" at some point or other... Ford invented the Model T and sold millions of them, but they still built the Edsel...
Later! OL J R :)
As far as i can tell john deer is the only one who really wants to sell u one. Plus the parts r avalable in less than a week. My personal opinion is go with the deer.
+James Lott A week is too long, when your baling and need parts you need then the same day
+1acpuller thats what im saing
Y don't you just round bale??
Transportation. He's gotta haul these bales a couple hours drive to the mushroom farm buyers... large squares is the BEST way of doing that.
Big square bales fit together like bricks-- no wasted spaces between them like stacked up round bales. They're tighter, so there's more tonnage in the same amount of space. It's hard to get a semi loaded with round bales and be fully loaded weight-wise, with large squares it's much easier, and it's a stabler load.
Plus, from a production standpoint, square baling is a CONTINUOUS NON-STOP process... round baling is a STOP AND GO process... every time a round bale is complete, you have to stop the tractor, wait for the bale to be tied with twine or netwrap, and then open the tailgate and eject it, lower the tailgate, and start baling again. Square baling, you just pull in to the field, throw the PTO in gear, and take off... the baler does the rest of the work itself without stopping...
Round bales are good for farmers who are baling their own hay for their own use or selling locally to many different buyers... or for guys baling hay who don't have enough storage to put them all indoors or just want to stack them outdoors, most times without tarping them down. Round bales shed water (for the most part) and can store outside acceptably, but small squares MUST be stored inside or under cover and large squares, for animal feed anyway, need to be stored inside or under cover. Round balers don't need anywhere near as big a tractor to operate them as large square balers, either, and are easier to move and handle with smaller tractors than large square bales...
If you start trucking bales any distance, you'll quickly learn why you want a big square baler... especially for a commodity like "mulch hay"...
Later! OL J R :)
John Deere baby
its so funny massey won't sell you an xd baler but they will modify one to be like one
Buy a krone. You will not regret it.
+Robbin van der Velde You're 100% right about the Krone!
+Robbin van der Velde You krone fanboys... for the thousand time Krone didn't deliver the demo, told wes they don't wan't to sell the HD to him bec. he has " too small" tractor according to them or sum such. Obviously they don't wan't to sell it to him, so their loss. Then again, it's kinda understandable these hesitations bec. OLF has these videos and loads of views, who wants their machine in here like the NH getting bashed over and over again when/if there is some serious issues with it, people will know it soon. With cursewords.. :P Loads of them.. :D
because krone doesn't need warranty. I know its not perfect and it will break down but nothing major. And if you concerned about warranty you can buy an extra 5 years of warranty.
Robbin van der Velde People just don't understand how good the Krone product is, the same family since 1906 and all they concentrate on is hay and forage equipment they use MAN engines in their forage harvesters, and the Krone BiG M Mower Conditioners are legendary around the world!
+heyhey1956 we own a big m 420 cv and its the best mower on the market today
JD
you should listen to your dad buy the jd