Tesla: The real cost of being out of warranty
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- Video on the dark side of Tesla ownership and how much you can expect to pay for out of warranty costs. Tesla needs to either open up their self diagnostic portal to the public or start dropping prices more dramatically. Or soon they will suffer the fate of being a dreaded “throwaway” car like the model 3 is soon headed to be.
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Wtf kind of door handle costs $1000 dollars? Does it open a door into another dimension?
LOL
I recently bought a door handle for my 24 year old GMC yukon $11 on ebay hopefully it will last another 24 years cuz thats expensive lol
You don't go into another dimension until you get the repair bill.
Yeah and how about those 1200 e-brake pads!!!!! Jesus!!!
The switch that raises and lowers my car window on a Mazda Mx6 years ago cost me $300. Some plastic piece inside had broken. Thats just a switch.
The conclusion is that people with an average income have to stay far away from these cars.
Define average. Those shiny new fully option trucks that are seemingly everywhere cost $60k and more. If you extend the contract out far enough (64-84 months) the "average income" worker can afford one
1) That's not 100k
2) They'll run in 10 years without needing 50k worth of repairs meanwhile.
@@redbaron6805 I was replying to grunt98311, he was talking about 60k+ trucks.
@@grunt98444 Trucks are useful and a work tool that makes you money. Tesla is a glorified car for shopping trips and waiting for it to charge up. Average income her in Norway where i live is around 50k dollar a year so you be the judge of what is average where you live.
@@redbaron6805 #1 - Calm down
#2 - You criticized ZesPak for "lacking writing skills" when in fact his comment made perfect sense.
#3 - If a Tesla still works after 10 years of use is a question we literally can't answer yet.
#4 - The cheapest Tesla I'm able to configure on the website costs 90k. That's the very basics without winter tires. It's not 100k but it's also not too great of a deal.
You basically just convinced me to not buy a Tesla.
same here...
Hahaha me too!! Screw that!
And me
Me too
Lol, I'll stick to my Lexus or Acura
I like how a person can look you in the eye after having 4 engine replacements and say how reliable their car is. That's worse than Apple level denial.
@@redbaron6805 , a drive unit costs the same as buying an engine. For the consumer, it doesn't matter how easy it is to replace. They only care about how much it costs.
The equivalent costs of changing 3 engines is super high and isn't acceptable.
@@redbaron6805 the point of the video is what happens when it's beyond the warranty. Who wants to pay to keep having drive units replaced?
@@redbaron6805 100.000 miles or 8yrs... not unlimited. And to regular ppl who wants to buy a Tesla they have to wait for a 8 yr old used one. And why u bitchin about warranty? This whole video was about what it will cost to repair the Teslas that will soon be OUT OF WARRENTY! friggin fanboy!
@@redbaron6805 quit trolling you jerk! Did you even read or listen to the title? Regardless of cost of 3 or four drive units even under warranty is not acceptable! If you like them fine so do I but trolling and denial has got to stop jerk! One thing is certain with expensive cars and especially after warranty. A hefty repair bill!
The drive units wouldn’t have to be replaced if they were properly lubricated aka have a oil system.
Finally a Tesla channel that is not 100% Fanboy. Tesla's are prohibitively expensive to repair out of warranty. "Now you know".
Are they the soy boys ? 💀😂
Prohibitively expensive even to even acquire!
Indeed, don't touch a used Tesla.
Thats whats keeping a lot of people away from these cars kinda like Apple people this extreme fanboy mentality.
Red Baron my 52 Chevy is waaayyyy cheaper to drive just saying lol
I remember when i finally had enough money to get a 7 series BMW. I had it for 1 year and had nothing but issues with it.. I bought a 6 cylinder Camry and love it... yea i know its Super Vanilla BUT it starts everyday has great pickup and its resale value is amazing.
lol let me guess it was the E65 7 series? And yes you’re right, a Camry is a relief after owning a 7 series. I know many ex 7 owners who are driving Accords now lol
I owned a couple of 7 series in my life...I have to agree with you, they are very expensive to fix. I switched to Mercedes and although the repairs are also expensive, I moved down to an E- Class and it has been very reliable. The thing is once you drive a German car it's hard to drive anything else. Camry's are nice but they feel like you are driving a toaster when comparing to a 7 series.
Paul yes tbh even the e65 felt 10 years ahead of the current camry. The camry has its own charm as well, dependable and simple
you made a really good choice! used to sell those cars never met a customer who was unhappy with a camry!
Resale value...what's that? I traded my junks for the cost of towing!!!
Now I love my honda even more. 120k miles $0.00 on repairs.
Red Baron lol hahaha u better sell that pos because its not gonna last another 100k miles while my honda is going on 300k miles i never even change the oil it just leaks out and i replace it as needed😮😃
Red Baron every auto trans should be oil changed every 30k miles its very easy to do by yourself. I replace 100 dollar battery every 8 years. Your tesla batter will be 8k every 8 years. So u will be buying a new car every 8 years and ill be saving for retirement
Who cares for repairs? Total cost of ownership incliudes fuel, insurance, maintenance, repairs, buying cost, profit lost etc....however, today a reliable petrol engine car is still cheaper than any electric, that much is true. But it may change, fanboys pay the price of the experimenting.
Typicalobserver same here i had 99 accord for14 years I just upgraded to 2012 accord the best car not even one problem.
This changes my view of Tesla entirely.
Because that is where they all should be.
From what I read online, Tesla’s reliability has greatly improved and continues to as they refine their manufacturing processes
Will It Break? No free supercharging for buying a new car lost me
A door handle should not cost a thousand dollars.
Nor should you be breaking a door handle...
@@johncahill3018 Shouldn't make junk ass door handles....
That's the beautiful synergy between luxury vehicles, poor quality, and the psychology of those that must have one... or 3.
Have you seen how the door handle pops out so you can open the door...it's not surprising.
It doesn’t :) simple. I think it costs like 200-300$ with work included max. (not sure 100% of US market). Tbh this video is mainly talking nonsense.
You are like the Louis Rossman of Tesla. Love it!
So true
Keep up the good work !
Like Louis without all the self pity whining.............
That settles it. I'm buying a Toyota.
I guess either way you don't like warranties...
I did actually. 😁
Good move. Volvo, Toyota, Honda's don't die. Family has had 6 of those brands and all went to 200,000 plus without any significant issues. And 4 of those were 40,000+ miles a year cars with infrequent oil changes.
I have a 2000 sienna with 206k now being used as a cargo van ... super reliable and bought for only $1000...and a 2003 Lexus LS430 now with 180k bought for $2500. Great cars with awesome reliability. Good luck!
Anything is better than that something which is actually not a car, it's a pile of Garbage.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have your friend wear safety glasses!!! My dad almost went blind grinding down a body panel.
You make a very good point. A friend of mine is blind in one eye when a metal shrapnel struck him in the eye while hammering. Wearing a safety glass would have prevented shrapnel hitting his eye.
Safety glasses with the right impact ratings. Better yet a face guard. It's annoying but it only take that one time.
When I saw that I was shocked! It was the overwhelming item I noticed in the entire video
The safety cover is missing on that hand tool too. These cutting disks can brake and peaces will fly in all directions.
Yes please listen.
This is a great channel. It's somewhat difficult to find honest information on TH-cam regarding what it's really like to own a Tesla long-term, especially out of warranty. I'm a big fan of Tesla, and I'm sure these issues will improve as the company continues to mature and scale. That being said, it's great to see more realistic perspectives and well-researched analyses like yours to balance out all the unrealistically positive videos out there. Keep up the great work!
Tom Catullo why are you sure things will improve? Is that statement an assumption or is it based on some information you have regarding the company? Or corporations in general? We all know how products are “improving”. Or maybe they are not
Red Baron I just cant see how the company will get around the whole proprietary parts thing and the fact that nobody will work on your car outside the dealer. The whole issue is when you are out of warranty, not within warranty. I see a nightmare coming for those owners. Parts costs will be very high and difficult to get and labor when you can get it will be very high too
Need a loan just to repair a door handle...
Joey Probably will be the norm in time. I guess you could say Im happy with my 3 cylinder that doesnt break the bank.
your not the intended tesla demograph anyhow. you gotta have money to own a tesla. and you sound like a broke ass.
this wont happen if the car made in china
I fixed it in my garage for free.
@@ansariflightplan5814 right,very cheap parts
Rich, THANK YOU! This is hands down the most valuable video I've ever seen on a Tesla Model S. As these cars live past their warranties, their reputation will rapidly begin to reflect the real world costs of ownership- and those will not be cheap. People will be very upset and that will not go unnoticed. You've just convinced me to never own a Tesla until they are forced (by the right to repair movement if nothing else) to open their parts bays and proprietary service information to the public. Every other major carmaker does it, they are not that special.
When reality hits. Hellfire will strike upon the tesla fan boys and its market cap. Only wise people can see right through this money pit sham.
Agreed.. the way they have tried to "disrupt" the dealership model is laughable as well. Say what you will about dealerships but they serve a purpose to car companies. As the late great Sergio Marchionne said, it's a capital intensive business, from R & D, to manufacture costs, to marketing, so you want to recoup as soon as possible. As soon as they come off the line you want your money back. A Car & Driver piece put it best, because everything you make won't be a winner, a dealership is a captive customer in times of need.. you want the new Corvette that's flying off the lot?, you'll have to take some of these Azteks off our hands. But when your confidence is off the charts and you're starting a car company from scratch you never factor that you'll have these kinds of issues, but they happen to the best of them. There is about five different businesses operating under any dealership.. why would a manufacturer want any part of it?
I feel as if buying a mercedes or a bmw would be a better investment at this point in the video and im not even half way done with it smh. Disapointed in tesla I even boast about em, slowly I loose interest in them.
He doesn't agree with what Tesla does but he's got nothing against Tesla
You are the only youtuber that talks monotonous and straight for 12 min that I listen to joyfully.
"1000 dollar door handle, ok, no problem"
Dafuq you just say?
I presume its some kind automated junk with sensors.
I’m just laughing at the guy with the hand grinder with no guard, glasses, face shield or gloves. Guess he doesn’t value his vision or fingers.
Token Fatfriend or stop being a girl.
He is out of warranty because of the money he spent on polishing his big balls
You should watch be weld with no shirt or gloves....not a big job mind you, but a quick zip here and there. Usually do wear glasses with the grinder....or squint really tight. 100% always have ear protection.
Joe Shmoe muh saftey squints save muh eyeballs every time 😮😄
All that aside no face mask was my main concern watching that. Lung disease is no joke.
And people say owning used German cars is a crazy idea...
Buy one and find out lol
Asmare Desta I’ve owned 3 😬
Just buy older german cars
To much money for a eight year car. I'll stick with my four cylinder engine car.
Thank you for making this video. As someone who likes to keep cars for 20 years, this is what I was worried about with a Tesla.
A well presented and researched analysis of the Tesla. Many thanks from the U.K.
Very educational. Glad I went with the Leaf Plus.
Thanks Rich for convincing me not to buy a Tesla. Too damn expensive to maintain for a person who likes keeping their vehicles a long time. No way. keep up the good work
Fernando Burgos he loves tesla but he is very honest that's what i like about him.
You'd think having more EVs on the road as a plan, would include providing ways to repair those out of warranty for sane amounts of money.
station240 Tesla will be forced to do so soon. Right now they sell expensive cars to rich people and can afford to do this in order to increase profits.
That's likely to be the case with the Model 3. Consider the door handles-- M3 door handles are simple cheap mechanical things. M3 was designed to be affordable, MS and MS were not.
izybit izybit
My, friend, all-electric cars like the Model S and X are expensive to build. And that is primarily because of the high cost of components. And, the cost of batteries (especially when Tesla first started manufacturing the Model S) also plays a significant role in the pricing of the Model S and X. But, more and more Tesla is gaining experience with batteries. And that will help reduce costs.
Since all-electric technology is still in its development stage and, therefore, rare/uncommon in the automotive industry, components/parts aren't as easily and readily accessible as those of conventional, ICE transportation. And, so, it's not like Tesla is willfully pricing its vehicles high. The Model 3 serves as proof that Tesla really want its all-electric car technology to be affordable and available to the masses. But, the truth is, the Model S and X are much more expensive to build that the Model 3.
Thanks for the info. Very helpful. Electric vehicles (not just Teslas) are cool as hell, but they are disposable vehicles. They only have value while they have warranty. Then repairs are worth more than the car. Not exactly saving the planet once those boxes full of batteries and electronics start hitting the salvage yard.
I see brilliance in your succinct and measured dissertation. Thank you!
I've been looking for this exact type of video explaining the repair costs on early Model S models.
Thank you for this information!
I will wait for the Model 3.
Watched a few of your videos - good stuff!!From what I see (I'm a engineer), Tesla is very far from going mainstream. The model 3 is supposed to be "mainstream" - Tesla has a lot to learn about "mass market" cars and the folks who buy them. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Toyota and the others have nothing to worry about, at least for now. Personally, I would never buy a car that I couldn't do basic maintenance and repairs on, nor would I own a car that held me captive to the dealership.Tesla does not understand the car business at all, if they don't learn it they will fail!
This is one of the most informative videos on Tesla cars I have ever watched - and, as a fan, I think I've watched them all. Very well done, thanks.
Great information. I'll stay with my ultra reliable gasoline engine car.
I gotta make sure I take care of my 2 Diesel cars. 2013 Jetta and a 2017 Cruze. The Cruze already has 54K miles on it and no issues whatsoever. And usually diesels last forever. Both are driven on the highway 90% of the time, so I don't worry too much.
I have a 2004 Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo diesel work ute it has 480,000 kilometres on it and the only thing I have replaced is the clutch which cost $900 (Australian dollars) parts and labour. Not getting rid of that old girl.
Excellent commentary. Very insightful for individuals seeking to purchase CPO vehicles
This is very informative one of the best videos from you
Rich, I find your work and videos extremely professional, informative and well done. Keep up the great work.
Thank you for this video. Been thinking about buying my first model s. Was looking at a 2014. This was very helpful.
Damn bro you got so much insight! Proud to see that you educated yourself so well on this topic!🤘🏾💯
I am so glad that I didn't buy a Tesla in 1012 when I was looking at new cars. I bought a volt, and considering that everyone I know that did buy a tesla has had many problems, and i have had none, I believe I made the correct choice.
Considering that Tesla had never built their own car until 2012, some technical glitches and hardware problems are bound to happen. It should be noted Tesla went far above and beyond to make those cars whole again when an issue arose, in fact 80% of owners have said they would buy another one
I bought a salvaged volt. Never a problem. Quite a well-thought out car. Wish they would offer more variety with the volt drivetrain.
If you watch the door handle episode, it's obvious Tesla got a bunch of electrical engineers to build a computer with transportation functionality as opposed to auto engineers building an electronic transport. So a good choice on the volt.
But Tesla policy leaves a lot of room for aftermarket to pick up the slack on cars about to be out of warranty. A good chance for more innovation and improvement.
You did and now the poor volt is dead because of telsa fanboys it should have selled like hot cakes especially the 17 and 18 model wish gm would put the tech in trucks and suvs
@@grunt98444 yea and your 80% are wowed by touch screens etc than what makes sense
Tesla is acting like a Software Company but not as a Car Manufactor. They have much to learn !
Tesla is a Technology company that sells cars.
I get that, they act like they are selling iPhones. It might be a little the owners fault too, when some of them change their Tesla every 2 years. Model 3 should be a game changer.
WTF ? then please tell me how we will travel from point A to point B ?
TrekZero rockets, man.
Sad the government allows these assholes to decide whom they will sell parts to.
Thank you Rich. These are the answers I have been looking for on true repair costs and ownership. Not getting the service records is a big deal. I was looking at a 2012-13 and think I'll work on getting that 2015+ model now. Appreciate it.
Just found you channel , I'm no a Tesla owner , but a Hvac technician , the other day I was in Watertown drovee by Tesla repair shop noticed all the replacement assemblys , now here I am . Very interesting ! Thanks for the hours of great content!
I was considering getting a used Tesla, but I think after this video, I'll steer clear for sure
ElGringo New models are ok, anything before 2015 is a huge risk.
The insane part is that a used Tesla can have 89,000 miles and sells for $35K! WTF! I would bet that every used Tesla has been abused by launching it! I think I'll be buying me a Lexus SUV.
Okay fair enough but just keep in mind this is the cost for the model S not the modle3.
@@rlopez2626
Meanwhile you can snag a 2004 Honda Civic with 100,000 miles for around $4,000...
@@redbaron6805 They have a warranty because you need it. It's built in to the price of the car.
This info is EXACTLY what I needed to hear. Thanks.
How's that? He's telling you what you could potentially have to pay. He's also dispelling the myth that Teslas are cheap to maintain and reliable. He's not making up the numbers.
@@slimtny don't bother mister baron is a paid shill go to his channel there is no content. Just an unhappy troller.
Great info in this vid, thanks Rich!!!
I have a 2006 Jeep, oil changes have only cost me $800 over the 13 years, and I've only had to pay $1768 in repairs that were not covered under warranty. So why would I ever purchase a Tesla? I'll stick with Jeep thanks!
I had a 99 Jeep wrangler and the engine blew at 70K miles. Also the header kept cracking and was replaced twice, the Oxygen sensor kept going out, hubs replaced, differential was leaking. I had electrical problems and steering stabilizer had to be replaced. I hope your 2006 is more reliable than mine was, but I'll NEVER own another Jeep, Dodge, or Chrysler EVERY again.
Jeeps are the biggest POS's ever.
I am so glad this video didn’t sway me from buying my out of warranty Model S nearly 2 years ago. 50k miles later and it’s needed one 12V battery ($250) and one set of new tires. This video depicts a completely overblown worst case scenario.
Is your Tesla still running? Have you had any issues yet? I'm curious because I notice that most posters on this thread have never owned a Tesla. I'd like to hear straight from someone who has.
@@strangerdanger8462 yes it’s still running great. One more 12V battery replacement. Now at 130k miles total and 80k since I bought it. The only service it’s had since my last comment was the 12v replacement which was done by mobile service at my house.
@@paulg8065 I thank you for taking the time to respond. Much appreciated.
Excellent video. Love all the information
Your a natural youtuber, very pleasant to watch!!
Very helpful post. Thanks!
$175 per hour to work on a car??? For that kind of money I want Elon Musk himself work on my car and ask me for diner afterwards... I'm gonna work at a Tesla service station and become rich in a few years.
UCreations Are you better looking than Amber?
175.. sounds like Audi-prices in germany..
Problem is, you'll only earn $15 anyway ,)
That really is the sad part. Best buy charges customers for in home service to the tune of 50-200 dollars an hour, the employees themselves are capped at 21 dollars an hour. Service charges for labor is usually just a bloated "margin" charge. The employees just have an hourly wage they're paid whether they're working for a job or sitting at a meeting, or doing paperwork, the company charges an arbitrary amount.
Hell if you've used services like Uber(eats), Lyft, Postmates, or Door Dash and also worked for them you'd see how drastic of cut the company takes for doing pretty much nothing, in these cases all they provide is an app and a directory to connect customers to workers, and in some cases take an easy 50% cut of the revenue.
Shriff- How are the executives supposed to pay for their 5000 sq. ft. custom made ranch in Montana though? Poor babies are entitled to it. They'll suffer if they can't charge an arm and a leg for service.
wow thats some really nice info!
Awesome info. Thanks, Rich.
Wow thank you so much! Lots of information in one video! My parents have a Tesla and I-am-in-love and I'm thinking of buying a used Model S. Still pretty young with not a lot of cash, knowing this has really opened my eyes and to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. I'm going to either wait or be smart about buying an older Tesla!!
Stay away kid.. start small
Your videos are great. As much as I love the idea of Tesla, maybe I’ll wait for the bugs to be smoothed out.
My granddad gave me an amazing broom, its over 40yrs old, its only had 4 new heads and 5 new handles
Saw you on Joe Rogan. Very informative videos. Thank you!
super excellent work dude, nice chopping
I think I’ll save for a Tesla for 5 years and then see how they’ve improved
Same. Then I'll be cool with charging stations and service
it's like waiting for a supercar to be cheaper to own and repair.
It's American product.. Besides China product, it looks good outside and sucks like Chinese products in quality.. It's only about exploit customers.. Like iPhone is
I love what Rich is doing but my issue with this video is that there are things that Rich knows about some of this that he isn't saying and that's a shame.
Let's start with the most obvious.. the door handles.
The main issue with the door handle is that it's not the easiest thing to get to and requires a body shop or body shop knowledge and tools to remove the door panel to access it.
After that, the point of failure isn't actually the door handle but instead a small wiring harness attached to a set of microswitches that costs about $15.
So while this is annoying, it's not going to be all that big of a deal moving forward. As more people start to do these repairs, the cost of having it done will come down. One other thing about the door handles. The fix is to secure the wire so that it moves with the door handle. Once this is done properly... that basically ends this issue.
The early drive units were replaced when they "made noise" often because Tesla wanted to crack them open to see what was wearing improperly so that those parts could be redesigned. This is a tough process for a company to go through because the first units that are replaced are replaced with pretty much the same unit that just failed. What this means is that those vehicles are going to have to go through another failure before they get the upgraded part. And that seems to be what we are seeing.
I have a late 2015 Tesla S90D. 100,000 miles on it now and no noises to speak of and battery degradation seems to be on track.
I would be very interested to see the maintenance of later model Tesla's to see how they track mile for mile on these major repairs as opposed to how some of the early models did.
Batteries are similar to the above. I'm not sure how many have been pulled more because Tesla wanted to have a look inside them than that they had actually "failed".
Perhaps you could let us know some more details, if available, on why these batteries were brought in. Was it for degridation or because of component failures... or was it split down the middle.
Again, great video Rich.
Twelve Wing Productions Most Tesla owners can’t work on their cars the doorhandles are a joke
You raise some really good points here. I'm debating getting a model three and post warranty costs are a big concern. I tend to keep my cars and I would want to be spending more on a car so that it costs me less in the long term. I don't necessarily expect the same TCO as a $20k Kia, but I don't want to face thousands in repairs in the first ten years.
I also am interested in how much better the later model cars are doing. If they've learned from their mistakes then I can see how their business model makes sense.
I think you are the perfect example why Rich said get a 2015+ Model S if you can as most of the kinks are ironed out. Thanks for letting us know even more.
Great advice Rich. Many thanks.
I'm picking up a 2016.5 soon, glad to hear that it may not have as many of these issues... Thanks for everything you do for the community, Rich!
@Konqueror 1 Gah... What?!?!
@Konqueror 1 Pardon for my ignorant question, but is what you're saying apply on the latest Tesla models and future Tesla models?
You are the only one that tells the truth
Pantelis Christidis Lol are you dumb? He just commented on the "truth" other people reported.
If you visit Reddit, TMC or any other Tesla community these costs are nothing new, people have been reporting them for years. Hell, some have even live streamed them.
Yeah, but look at the Tesla Channels on TH-cam. They're mostly a bunch of sycophants that don't know shit about cars. In the YT universe, Rich stands alone.
IncognitoTorpedo Nope, you are talking about lifestyle channels that happen to own a Tesla (but even those people report on issues). Hardcore Tesla TH-camrs had always been reporting their problems but maybe you don't follow those.
izybit izybit You seem a little hurt that the actual truth is out there.Tell us which other TH-camr put out this kind of truth?...Name them & we’ll go see,you keep on saying it’s been out there,maybe a small amount of ppl like you (who seem to be in a special group or chat room) know about the problems but this man right here made the video & all his followers & then some know what’s really up with this company & you seem upset about it.GTFOH...Thanks CarGuru for informing the public about this car when it is out of warranty.
Previous to this video, I was clueless on problems that plagued these cars. I'm glad I am subscribed. Haven't heard anything from many TH-cam's who outline the issues car guru has
I have to say, after having the reality of the situation explained as clearly as you did, then why on Earth would I purchase ANY Tesla? I smell a lack of integrity here on Tesla's part. Elon's cult hero status is not enough to allow myself to get suckered by a company with this lack of integrity. Behaving like a monopoly does not win hearts either. Driving electric vehicles has always been touted as a simpler mode of travel- with vehicles having a lot less moving parts. But in reality, we are driving a computer, and know a whole lot less as a consumer than having driven internal combustion vehicles for decades. Competition provides choices. No competition equals a monopoly. This is an expensive playing field. I just want to turn the key and drive in relative comfort with minimal annoyance and expense. I think that I will stay with ICUs for now.
Moral of the story: Wait for Toyota to do it right.
Very helpful, thank you.
$800 door Handel ...not gold plated?
gasdorfy munchy The actual damaged part is dirt cheap (1 dollar to maybe 50 dollars) and you can do it your self (I think car guru has such a video) but Tesla just replaces the whole assembly.
Car Guru has a video explaining the complexity of the handle system. Why have them? A) they've sold a lot of cars B) it puts a smile on my face every time I walk up the car and it 'greets' me by extending a hand. Just never gets old.
And apparently charges 175usd hr before taxes, probably inflates hours too....
They have these fancy touch sensitive and motordriven doorhandles that move out so you can grab onto it. Probably why. Also Tesla overcharges on parts obviously, because they can.
Most any high end car company service center charge that and more. Go look at MB, BMW or Audi shop rates
I really wanted a tesla, but damn.... repair cost is crazy! Going to end up like bmw again.... paying more for maintenance than a new car in a few years time.
Ivan Liao That’s the plan all along...The Pied Piper all over again
not really, i like my used bmws, they are very good cheap throwaway cars imo
too many overly complicated toys....doors, electric door handles,, which are not well made and causing failures, put TESTED tech on them, normal locks and doors, do models without fancy seats, without the self driving tech, get parts fully tested and use that car as your base model and make money with it
Acura dude!!!!!
Love the background video. Well done presentation. Just what I needed to hear as I was considering a Tesla. I'll stick with my reliable toyotas that can go 100k miles with minimal out of pocket expenses AND have great resale values.
Man that information is gold,
Is This senário still happening about the expensive car maintenance?
There is a shop in Fresno who rebuilds most half shafts. Those axles that were pulled apart in your red roll over might be repairable. I suspect Tesla would use common size rollers/balls and CV boots so that they would be rebuildable. Reason I say that is because another channel took apart a drive unit and read off the part numbers on the bearings.. common off the shelf stuff. I used to be in auto parts retail in an old Mom and Pop store and they had tons of books with sizes of bearings and seals. Most alternators and anything rotating stuff used common bearings.. like the 203 that fit most alternators and drive belt idlers and tensioners. There are also shops that do custom motor rewinds. I have seen burned out Prius windings and suspect that a Tesla unit can be rewound. Off the top of my head..if differential bearings are going out, one might consider a heavier gear oil. Early Mazda and Ranger pickups used ATF in their stick shift transmissions and we put 90w oil in them for longer life in heavy service. Brake pistons and seal kits might share commonality with something U.S. domestic so if you can find a kit that fits, just hone out the caliper bore and you're back in business. Most parts houses have gone full electronic on their catalogs and have no way to look up sizes. I talked with a SMP (Standard Motor Parts) rep and he told me they no longer print paper catalogs. I have had some luck looking up seal dimensions using part numbers and going to the Rock Auto search window. There are hydraulic supply warehouses that have all the sizes in increments on seals..might be helpful, but you would have to be careful as to fluid and temperature specs.
obsolete professor Tesla spare parts are expensive because Tesla replaces the whole thing instead of changing that one part (most door handle, motor and battery issues are like that). This mentality will probably change in a couple of years.
As for bearings FAG, SKF, etc have nice websites where you can find dimensions and specs for almost every bearing they have. Always enjoyed checking that stuff out (did it professionally).
Personally I gotta have a paper book in my hand. Easier to flip straight to the meat.
obsolete professor
Thanx for your input.
Hmm. My 1969 c20. Has never needed new door handles.
GREAT Info!
Some really good points here. Without an after market for parts, it is going to be interesting to see how things go when the warranty bubble hits.
Damn dude you just made me NOT want a Tesla WTF...
Jay Dontknowbetter,Reality rears its head.
Lol, likewise. I have a friend who is full blown "tesla is the future"...after watching this, and confirming my lingering doubts they certainly aren't MY future.
Just buy a new Tesla and u'll be fine 😁...lol
He said it at the end those issues are occurring to cars from 2012 the new ones are getting slowly better
I wasn't really keen on getting one before seeing this video, since here in Finland the range is just not enough for someone who drives long distances. They are fine for shorter trips, but with charging points being few and far between you'd have to have 2 cars all times. Plus all the repair bills will most likely be even bigger here, since they have to order the parts and labor is more costly.
I guess I better stick with my 10 years old Honda Civic....
you better
Good idea.
That is the way to go future rich man!
Same here.
very well done very informative
I'll stick with an under 10k used car. This is the best Tesla vid I've seen.
1.5 years and she breaks 3 door handles, a computer screen and a drive unit. Even though they have less moving parts......That's an achievement.
I broke like one engine in 20 years but only because i over revved it....i am on my 5th car and 2nd motorcycle....that's a lot of moving parts to break. I never broke a door handle EVER...my locks always worked....actually nothing major happened and it never cost me much to replace anything except the engine which was my fault.
The only way to cure Tesla fanboyism is by moneyletting. Let them savor the moments until the first bills arrive.
Teslas are maintenance free because Tesla won't service them out of warranty.
@@don_fren They have been in business for over one and a half decade now. The Model S has been in production half of that time. They have a monopoly on spare parts and maintenance....they won't touch your car if it's out of warranty. You are on your own. How fucked is that?
So yeah NO they won't go down.
I sure hope the M3 turns out more refined. Or I'll have to go VAG group for my used EV.
Great video Rich! I HATE it when people are berated or labelled when trying to be impartial and informative. When I buy a car I want to be educated about its true cost. I still want a Tesla but most importantly I want to know if I can afford to maintain one. Especially when I live outside of USA (New Zealand) and service centres are few and far between. Keep the vids coming Rich!
I respect all of the work that you are doing to open the curtain on ways Tesla can improve their transparency and service policies.
$175 hr is actually a fair price for labor on a luxury vehicle.
Lol "luxury"
No its not i pay 125 an hour at my mercedes dealer.
To be honest, a lot of manufacturers especially the likes of Mercedes are creating unique parts to every car and making them more computerised and difficult for anyone to just go and repair. If the trend follows soon I get back on my bike
Eddy Jawed check out Sono Motors Sion
U can buy European but must sell before warranty expires or even earlier.
have fun for 2 years and sell while there is still warranty for the other Guy
For me I bought Merc before 1985 and bring them to top conditions and enjoy the chrisma of period Merc, that is Merc in their golden era of production 1960 nto under 1990 years
Thank you Rich, my desire to order a Model 3 just vanished. Gonna wait another 2 years and check out what the market offers then.
@5:45 When Rich makes that laugh/chuckle i was lmao. You should have the Yao Ming &itch please meme pop up.
So, basically you need to replace the car every 8 years.
Do you think that's good?...or bad?
Doorhandles replaced like it was an oilchange? I've owned cars for 30 years and never EVER have I had a doorhandle break. WTF?
ive never heard of someone needing to pay over 7k for seized brakes either :D
Those door handles self present themselves when you walk up to them? I thought not
Have any verifiable peer reviewed studies or data to support your claim? "I heard" aren't those
@@grunt98444 They should. Not too great a task to ask.
Fantastic channel Rich
I have 2017 Volt, so far only repair needed was the heat module. Which was still under warranty.
Sounds like junk to me. I wonder if it's more lucrative to part-out a Tesla than to resell it.
I’m starting a Tesla junkyard.. 😂😂
Rich, great videos and super informative and funny. You mention the 8 year warranty, ie battery, drive train. What is the bumper to bumper warranty period. ie door handle, vid screen, nobs, etc.
Thank you for solid true information.
You just wanna scare them so you can purchase all of them :D
3 motors is alot breakage ...that doesnt happen on ice car ? 3 times in roll
gasdorfic muncher The bad news spread faster and people remember them for longer. Tesla had a lot of issues with the motor assembly of the first cars but those issues have been resolved for the most part.
People online are reporting these issues much less frequently these days.
Still not perfect but getting there.
el. motor and ice motor are not the same. When ice motor dies, car is ready to be toasted.
actually there are few ICE engines that cost more than the 6000$ Tesla wants for their replacement.
ICE engines is 1000 times more complex that electric engines. There is 0 reason for an eletric engine to die except low cost electric engine or not used for the entend purpose. The only quality item in a Tesla is the batteries.
Man you have got to put the shoe of the saw against the thing you are cutting. It is a reciprocating saw. The blade moves forward and back. If the shoe isn't against something to hold the saw still then YOU are the only thing holding it still. And you can't do it as well as the shoe does. Stop fighting the saw. Just press the shoe against the thing you are cutting and rock the blade up and down.
Oh man. These costs are insane.
Rich you are incredible! It is arguable that you are the link between Tesla and Customer. I have learned more from your channel than anywhere else when in regards to what the Tesla Co. is. Thanks for all you do, I have a project I hope to accomplish within the next few years and I would love your collaboration on it, I understand you are a busy individual but to have a man with your knowledge on Teslas you would be a great asset to me. To get in touch please respond. Thanks, Hayden.
Surprising that Tesla is charging this much for parts/service since Elon himself said all parts/service would be sold at cost and that it's "unethical" to profit off service since cars should be reliable to begin with.
It costs billions to build out a service centers around the planet where none existed before. Just because they charge prevailing rates doesn't mean they are making any net profit
@@grunt98444 wow. U really as re a fan boy... So you think it's ok to charge 175 an hour and it's ok for them not to make profit. Why not give them gold plated tools to work on the cars and raise the rates to 500 an hour. Hey as long as no one is making any money...
@@technom3598 First off mechanics own their own tools for the most part. Secondly there is a difference between gross and net profit, something the FUD spreaders have yet to understand
@@grunt98444 lol. U missed the entire point fanboy
@@technom3598 Seems you missed the point of the op topic of cost of parts and service
The European Union introduced antitrust rules in the motor vehicle sector in 2010 that has stopped manufacturers from restricting service to a specific dealer that would invalidate a warranty. Thankfully the UK is still in the EU (at the moment) so I wonder what happens here? If an independant garage wanted to service a Tesla then Tesla would have to sell them part (and, I think, give them service information). Do they do this here?
FFVoyager
Likely under restrictive NDA.
Theresa May is wanting to get rid of EU Laws
Great information, thanks