(877) DarkSim905's Evil Creation (FAIL)
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Sadly due to pin stacks and those magnets, a key wouldn't go in. Change those to steel key pins and it would be working lock.
There was a company that made a magnetic lock and so found out bits of metal would cause the locks to jam and someone could use a magnet to manipulate the lock open
Neodymium magnets for pins - pure evil genius!
As a 'Competition' lock only, this would definitely be what separates the heavyweights from the rest during a LockSport competition, under 'Special Category', of course. However, this cannot be used as a commercial home lock, as the magnets would cause problems. I think *this* is why a key was not provided (along with tipping you off that magnets are present).
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The sheer amount of evilness that went into that lock is staggering....good job!
Great idea! Thanks for showing it, despite the defeat!
I was looking at this the entire time with my jaw open. That's just brilliant! Would love to see how this could be expanded.
very nice had this idea in my head forever ..just have not found the right magnets to fit ....good job glad to see it was a success
kinda feels like a cheated challenge lock for picking. one that complicated, I want to see proof that it can be opened with a key. anyone can make a unlockable lock that's also unkeyable
Good point. Any lock that has no key should be excluded from challenge videos.
At the same time, I suspect that he just wanted to show us the 'alien tech'. Magnetic pins are a great idea.
my words exactly I agree 100% the guy that made that lock is a child what a freaking joke
Lock Sport I wouldn't go as far to say hes a child, he has some great innovative ideas. just unfair.
how to say is cheating but yeah I also agree with you
it should in theory work with a key but each of the magnetic pins would not slide up and down the key right. this might make it more difficult you could alternate the poles and you could set some to repel and some to attract...
I want to do this with steel bearings on the keyway side and then vary the magnetics...
That's amazing, I spotted those magnet pins as soon as I saw your board and was thinking to myself, "those can't be magnets can they, inside a metallic cylinder? What an amazing advance in technology if all pins were magnets inside a non-magnetic core". Then, of course, you got the the point where you explained it. That's just ingenious. Why hasn't he marketed this idea to high security companies yet? Or, for that matter, even crappy security companies like Kwikset. Even their locks would prove much more difficult to pick if they integrated this technology.
You are so great at figuring out how locks work and thinking of ways to make them more difficult to defeat (given your vast experience and intellect) I'm surprised you're not a consultant. I imagine you're retired at this point, but it would sure be a great way to bring in some extra money and help others keep their belongings secure at the same time.
That's pretty incredible. Hats off for that one for sure.
Amazing. Really good design: using magnets as a pins. Magnets are maybe a future for locks as they are "impossible" to pick one by one.
interesting idea with the magnets, i thought about doing something similar except i wanted to use the repulsive forces to eliminate the need for springs
and on the last video I was talking about using magnets to invoke oversets...
Neodymium magnets. The weakness is that they are fragile eg. take a long nail and bang it in and they will crumble, but SPPing may very well be impossible.
I've seen all your videos and that was truely amazing. Never crossed my mind that a lock would have magnet pins. Now I suppose a pick that provides magnetic feedback will be needed. That's a whole new ball game...wow
Darksim905; Very clever using magnets. I can't remember Bill conceding to a lock..great alien technology😉
Agreed, if this lock cannot be opened with a "key" then it is not a functional lock and therefore should only be considered a novelty. real locks have working keys that "unlock" them.
Way to go DarkSim905!
Most ingenious.
I was thinking neodymium magnets would be good pins, but it is nearly impossible to open the lock with a key. I'd imagine that's why there was no key. especially with two, so don't feel bad Bill. The key would even have trouble opening this lock.
I would never have thought of magnets but excellent idea!
I'd like to see the key working as well. I got some very strong n52 magnets with a pull of 10lbs and can't get the key working smoothly. It's crazy crunchtatic. Hats off DarkSim. Nice work.
That's stone cold genius, well done to DarkSim905 whoever you are.
I feel like a lock shouldn't even be considered a challenge lock if there isn't a working key with it. I mean I can just send you one that is epoxied together......you'll never get it open:)
I also set up a pin stack with the polarities reversed in lou of a spring. It works great.
My gaaaaad maaaaan! Your intros just keep getting more elaborate.
Wow! That magnet idea was genious!
I could have picked that!... With my 18v cordless "rotary pick" with a 3.5mm "pick" installed that is. What an awesome idea
Clever lock, but I agree need to see it opened with a key!!!!!!!
I can't imagine what "alien technology" is next.
This is simply brutal.
Agree very creative from the DarkSim.
Thank you for showing Bill :)
That's an evil cross of an EVVA MCS, an AMerican, and lordknowswhat. ALl it needs now are key pins and driver pins that are grooved into each other where you to rotate them as you pick them so that the shear lines work (like a medeco), BUT you have to spin them at the shear line and not at the key / tooth level... the key pin and driver pin slide into each other and if you turn them as a whole shaft, they lock out the shear line.
very creative and cool! But no key- would a key have been able to work? seems like the chamber 6/7 magnetic interaction might have defeated a key even...
Assuming this lock had a working key it should still be pickable, you could heat the lock briefly with a blow torch to destroy the magnetism of the magnets ;-).
It would be interesting to see this reassembled in a cutaway lock, this would allow you to see the lock behavior during the picking attempt..
Magnets! That is sooo damn clever!
Great idea, if the lock is not for every day use! I think, it would also work, if the key was made out of non-steel material.
If BB says "fail" in a challenge lock picking attempt(s), then respect to BB and the challenge creator :) Well done DarkSim905!
Brilliant idea
Real Brass is non-metallic no iron in it. Brilliant work with the magnetic pins, but the high iron content is no good in area with metal and dampness because that will rust very quickly.
Ok for a dry non wet are with no rain areas, but in damp or wet areas forget it.
Very clever lock, well done. I wonder if the idea with the magnets came from watching those locks which work on magnets alone?
they are neodymium magnets. very powerful. you can find them el cheapo in conventional hard disks.
NOOOO! This is not fair! I ordered these same magnets to do this same thing and they came TODAY. Not fair!!!
Nice Lock! Thats a pretty damn good idea using those magnets. Pretty awesome stuff!
Wow... Superb lock! Great job!
Great work... very sneaky ... and very cool.
neodymium magnets I'd say, very fun to play with :)
Looks exactly like the 7 pin training lock I just got from learnlockpicking
If it doesn't have a working key (i.e. is a functioning lock), I'd call it a hollow victory for the lock. No disrespect to the maker, but functionality is part of the game. Maybe it works brilliantly, I'd just like to see it opened with a key.
There's been discussion on some of the boards about using magnets like this. It can be done, but the key needs to be super precise to get that 'gap' at exactly the sheer line. If you have two adjacent chambers with magnets they effect each other, as shown. Even with a key raising the pins to the correct height, one may over-lift it's neighbor. I'm pretty sure the major manufacturers have played with the idea in R&D but looks like it's harder to make real world locks that it would appear. Hence, EVVA's MCS design.
Good idea!
this is something I never expected to see.
no working key, no defeat. When it is an old lock without a key, that is OK, but when you try to test prove some new kind of pins you must have a working key or there is no point.
Would really need some nonmagnetic picks for that. Spring steel picks would just get stuck to the 3 sets of magnets.
What an ingenious concept, I guess, it's a rare one to see you get beaten by a lock Bosnianbill.
wow someone finally defeated bill, and using magnets pins who would thought i never seen such a thing!!!!
Very impressive.
If it doesn't work with a key then there is a problem because it becomes a puzzle not a lock . It has to be operable with an opening device . iT would be the same as putting a solid steel bar in the driver position that went all the way up. If it doesn't work it has no practical use.
Magnets of that type woul also stick to your picks and want to come down with the tip while trying to pick, even if stainless.
i would love to use that type of lock in my house seems very secure
Wow. Magnets! cool idea.
This is the most awesome video I've seen on your channel :D
bill you should rekey that lock and with those pins and see how well that would actually work..if it would still go in and out without sticking to bad to the key , or welli geuss depending on key material it wouldnt stick....could really be on to something here
Holy crap, nice job Dark Sim 905
Wicked pinning, great job DarkSim905, Great Video Bill, Good Laugh Too!!
The pinning looked very unassuming! Great idea..... Lots of work too.... Where do you get magnets that small?
Magnets for pins...very evil! But is there a reason they haven't been used before? If they are magnets, what if you took a strong magnet from the outside to move the magnetic pins until the core picked, after the rest were picked of course.
Creative spring variation
Holy crap. That's genius.
wow that's a great idea thanks
Very well done challenge. Maybe if you had used a spring steal pick you would have felt the magnets. Still think 6 and 7 would keep anyone out.
Thanks for sharing Bill that was cool. Thanks DarkSim. What about a functional key?
Well I hope Bill is ready for more magnets, seems that is going to gain some popularity after this one
You never cease to entertain me Bill!
Yeah Bitch! Magnets!
I love your honesty :)
those were neodymium magnets, strong those...
I'm just getting into this hobby and I can tell this is the evilest thing I've seen in a lock so far
+bosnianbill , I bet pin 3 is actually niobium. It is very strongly magnetic, and looks like steel.
WOW, good job DarkSim905!
what would even m make someone think of magnetic pins. that's brilliant
i had that idea a while ago, but i also saw a few problems. The pins also interact with each other when you use the normal key, this will make the key harder to operate.
The point that makes magnetic pins hard to pick, is the fact that they influence each other. If you have a magnetic conducting pick you can easily figure out which pins are magnetic, you then overset them (with a non conducting pick) as much as possible, use heavy tension and your conducting pick. You then attach a strong magnet to your pick and pull the pin down. You need to find out the binding order so you might have to do that a few times. but its definitely possible.
+aullik You don't need all magnetic pins, you can have just one.
The word you're looking for isn't conductive, it's ferromagnetic.
CapnTates
thanks, google translate betrayed me XD
i think you need at least 2 magnetic pins so they will influence each other or its just pointless
aullik The influencing of one another makes the lock impossible to open, keeping in mind it should be a functional lock to be a challenge.
CapnTates I know that was my problem. But without them influencing each other, magnets would be totally pointless
Such a wonderfully sick person to create this device. Can you do a video of this lock put back together and show us how it works with the proper key. I would like to know if this lock sticks or do you have to jiggle it to get it to unlock. Best Regards, BAG2
brilliant
I know that multi lock uses magnets in their design but it's not used in the pins. I wonder if such a design would be viable commercially.
Okay, that's effing brilliant!
And evil as hell!
Just wow!!
It seems that it did not come with a key. It is not a lock unless a key can unlock it. I would like to see a key unlock it.
These videos are addictive.
awesome challenge lock but I do wonder if it is a functional lock.
Nice teardown. Not a viable lock, but a good idea for besting Bill!
Clever, I agree Bill I doff my hat to Darksim905
love this vid. good to know bout the stuff that kicks yer butt
aullik, I think that the pins are of a different diameter so no feedback, looks like it anyway
With those magnets could this thing even be opened with a key? Or would the last two cylinders affect each other and overset one of them even with a key?
darksim? secret alien tech? guessing by the perfect dark ref im willing to bet its a skedar made lock, very advanced alien tech indeed
Looks like the 7 Pin Ultimate Adversary Lock
Looks like the learnlockpicking 7 pin practice look make me want to make a challenge look bill badass lock
Wow, just wow!
That's brilliant.
Genius!
do you know where i can find american locks in canada also can you do a video on the laser cut sliders cut in the sides of locks
How hard would it be to grind a key for the lock, reassemble it, and test the key? It would be interesting to know how well the lock would work with a key.
You may have a key, but I don't think bosnianbill does.