(867) How to Impression a Key
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I put the blank in and the master lock opened
Most older locks can be opened with a blank. It pushes the pins to the shear line.
The blank overlifts the pins
Lol!
You're better than all of us.
I think Bill has two pairs of hands. The one pair is used to work the lock and the other is used to play the banjo while in fast forward.
Just an aside: The marks from the pins get more and more distinct as you get closer to the correct depth of cut on the key. So when you're far off, the marks will be very light and indistinct.
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@@murthyrajamahendravarapu7077 S back to you.
I know this is old, but, hopefully you read this.
So, if the mark is more noticeable, you should stop filing? Or you file until the mark disappear and no longer shows?
@@GnarledSage yes but file very lightly
The master of locks...and his door blows open
Great stuff as always Bill :)
right haha I chuckled
The master of locks.... But not door catches! lol
EOD Technicians have famously large fingers. :)
The tailor is always the man wearing the bad suit. Look to his customers for the quality.
Licensed locksmith here, a technique that myself and a few of the other guys at my shop do is called "knife-edging". Using the flatter side of the Pippin file, I bevel the top edges of the key blade. This makes marks easier to see due to the finer edge, but it is easy to go too far, especially if the lock uses a 0 pin in any of the positions. I've knife-edged blanks for wafer and pin tumbler locks with great success.
Like how you explain and demonstrated that process, Bill. Now the liquor cabinet is within my grasp. Don't let the Intro Technies see this video.
Enjoy your retirement, Bill. Thanks to you, I impressioned my first key last week.
Impressioning correctly requires an up and down movement of the key with torque applied in one direction at the same time. this makes the binding pin bind that much harder and makes the marks more pronounced. Bill's method works as you can see but if you try this make sure you give two to three up and down movements with the key when torque is held constant in either direction. Make sure that direction is one in which the lock will open to insure the fastest open.
One thing I do when I impression which I didn't see you do is jiggle the key as it's bound each time. That gives you extremely good marks. Also some blanks are made with a mix of different metals to make them harder. Especially in plated keys since the plating would make a normal thickness key thicker. They make those thinner before plating and use a harder mix of metal. I use solid brass keys. They seem to work the best. You use the file I use. Although a very popular file is a pippin file. It has kind of a tear drop cross section. It allows you to make more of an angle the deeper you go allowing the key to work smoother. Other than that, dynamite video. Very informative and explains it very well.
A good tip to make you more successful is to lay the key flat and use a file to thin the blade of the key at an angle, almost like a knife. This trick helps you get the proper spacing. My next tip is to use this method. When the key is held, insert in lock lift up on the key, turn to bind and rock the key down 3 times. Next relax the key, then press down on the key turn to bind and rock the key up 3 times. Take the key out of the lock and wipe the key off the see the marks more clearly. This method of binding and rocking actually causes a slight hammering of the bound pin(s) in to blade of the key. If you have any questions let me know. I learned this method way back in 1995, from a master locksmith that has written many books on locksmithing . Keep learning and stay legal.
Now you need to do a video on reading waffer tumbler locks.
He is the only person who I have ever seen impression this way!I love how he marks the first cuts. That's a brilliant idea. Great video as always.
Thank you for the video.
Two comments, first the larger the impression mark on the key the closer you are to the correct depth and the gentler you should be with the filing. Second using a proper impressioning tool allows you to use less force to get a mark and so you are less likely to break the key.
I'm sure that everyone knows this already but I was watching "the Americans" the other day and the lady blackened the key with a lighter so that she could see the marks from the key pins.
I'm so glad I saw this comment, I thought she had heated the key to make it mallible and actually made an imprint. That makes more sense now lol
I was thinking a light layer of black with a magic marker.
@@mindofmadness5593 Sharpie would work quite well. I use the same when sharpening a tool and trying to exactly match an original angle.
Every time I watch one of your videos, another one of my questions gets answered!
I would like to say that you make a very good video! With that being said, I have a couple of pointers if you do mind. First. That is not a m1 master blank, it is a m13 blank. Second. Use a 4 pippen file. You have much more versatility and control of your spacing and angling of your cuts. Third always secure your lock in a vise or whatever you have on hand. Your work piece has to be secure, or you will be cheating yourself out of the marks you could get. Always use vise grips or the impressioning tool. Why use your fingers when they make a tool for that. These are In my humble opinion critical for achieving success. I have been a practicing outside locksmith for 20 years and I have for a fact impressioned over 100,000 keys to houses all key ways, cars, trucks, boats and tampon machines. Lol. I have impressioned pins and wafers also side bar locks as well as best interchangeable core. There will be comments made that I'm full of shit. All I have to say is come to Dallas look me up and put your money where your mouth is. Great video!!
Jon Bottoms 100,000 impressioned locks over 20 years? That’s 14 locks every day, even weekends, for 20 years?
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That’s is correct sir. I made keys to auction cars cars 5 days a week for 7 years. 50 to 70 cars every day. Then work d for the third largest locksmith here in Texas for Ten years. Impressioning keys for every thing else. Including a m key way best I/c I’m not trying to say I’m the best impressioning master of all time. I have paid my due and then some. I know what works and how to get the best results in real world conditions. Just try the suggestion I have mentioned. They will work and you will get better and faster results
I still haven't figured out why I can't stop watching your vids
Nice job, lucky bitting. Hate to be "picky" no pun intended. You said pin 3 but then filed pin 2(people maybe looking for marks on pin 3). I've impressioned tons of locks in my life, cars, house, padlocks,filing cabinets and there are other technics out there but I would say the one advice that stands out the most is natural light (sun). It is so incredibly important and helpful and the magnifying glasses can be rather useful if you haven't impressioned alot or have bad eyes. Once you get practice and know what you're looking for it can be a great tool/skill to have especially if the lock doesn't disassemble, like the one Bill just did.
Thank you Bill. I had watched a couple other videos on this and now I have no idea what they were going on and on about. To watch you do it, it is really very simple.
I guess when someone is full of crap they try to hide it with lengthy over explanations, but really it's just more crap.
Some people use a sharpie on the blade to help see the pin marks. that is how I was taught. Another trick I have found was using white out. Great video Bill. Thank you again for all of your informative videos.
I was thinking about something like that, painting the surface. Thank you
I have heard of using "lamp black" the soot from a candle to coat the key edge to mark it and see where it is scraped away. Also heard of using bluing for metal although it only works on certain types of metal.
So cool! Untill I watched this video, I didn't understand how impressioning works. thank you Bill ;D
That was awesome. Years ago I had to have a locksmith make a set of keys for my car and he used this method and I was blown away. It took him maybe 15 minutes to make both the ignition/door and trunk keys (I said it was years ago lol) for my car.
Yeah, when someone knows what they're doing they can do it in only a few minutes. It takes me FOREVER and sometimes several tries before I get it right. Practice and experience.
Bosnianbill yeah. I’m sure that would be my experience too lol. I went through a lock picking stage a few years ago and finally had to give up...I was pathetic at it
Thank you for all the knowledge BosnianBill! I wish health and happiness to you and your family! Congratulations on your retirement ❤
This is so helpful, Bill. I'm working my way thru the Foley Belsaw professional locksmithing course and I really had a ton of trouble with the impressioning module.
I thought about doing that course, is it any good?
@@michaelchurch4837 it's a solid course. Gives you everything you need to get the ball rolling. I'm glad I did it.
You make it look way to easy in all your videos. Thus was an awesome video. Thanks Bill.
My brother is a real weasel he showed me completely the wrong way to do that just who I would fail at it
Thank you very much
I appreciate you taking your time to make the video✌
I use silicone, works perfect every time. Pick the lock, spray lube it and blow it out with compressed air to put a light coat of oil in it, If it is a spring core put a drop of super glue on the edge of the face so it is temporarily tacked open. Position the lock so the pins are all upside down so they all sit down against the cylinder wall. Inject a small amount of 100% silicone into the keyway. Dry overnight and gently wiggle out your rubber key that shows exact spacing and depth for filing a new key..
Takes longer due to letting the silicone dry but is less work with very accurate results, I rarely have to go back for a touch up with the file.
I pick locks for fun.
I started by making my own lockpicks from hacksaw blades.
But this may be even cooler than that.
SUPER! Years later . . I find way to make key so I Can put my heavy chain to work. gotta learn to pick. Thanks!
You picked an extremely simple one. Wow, I'm impressed.
got my second car I ever owned out of a junkyard using this method it was so hard took me around two hours maybe more but made my own key did the head gasket and drove it home anyhoot thank you for sharing your knowledge with us bosnianbill !! been watching video after video since I found ya lol
you can also grind the key to be more narrow so you dont have as much material to file off.
I always wished someone would make a comprehensive key impressioning video! TY!
I bet the main issue would be finding the right key blank for a particular lock.
I've been waiting for this video for so long. Thank you!
Thanks bill you make it look so easy!
It's great the way you give a couple of licks with just the tip
Nice one Bill. It is something I have never tried to do.
Awesome video, I've been wondering about this for a while, coincidently i have a few master locks to try it out on
A really good video with lots of info in it, thanks Bill.
Dang, what silly crappy bitting. Ur such a boss bill!
Thanks for this, I've been wanting a video like this.
Another great video Bill. Don't take this the wrong way but two things stood out to me as errors in the description. First the coating on the key is not chrome but nickel plated. The second is the groove that got the majority of your filing is #2 not 3. I suppose you could call it 3 as some codes are written with #1 at the tip but the vast majority start at the bow. That's how I record them in my files for code cutting. Thanks again. PS. I wish you cut that final mark. I was a beauty.
This noob never knew that's how you do it,guess we can all learn something new every day if we are lucky.
Great job Bill and thanks for the upload as it's appreciated.
What a great Video!! I didn´t know it´s so easy :D
Until now I first lockpicked the lock and than made an aprox eye-measurement with a messering gauge and started fileing. I usually got it done by the second time XD I have to try this!! :D
I've been waiting for this!
Thanks for the vid, Bill!
thanks for the great tutorial.
what do you think of using a dremel for the initial polish? killing a butterfly with a bazooka?
also, what are your thoughts on using some graphite powder, even a straight pencil tip scratched along the cuts, to determine which pins are "scratching" the most?
cheers.
Love this lesson! Double thumbs up! Id love to see the fast forward parts in slomo! but im nit picking! Great vid!
Keyblank space and depth keysets can be helpful, mainly for initial impression blank prep.
I’m going to try this on my door-with-no-key! 🎉
good stuff. thanks for the tutorial.
Bill you make it look so easy!
I did it! Yay! Thanks for the video! God bless! 😇
Many "Many" years ago I had a fascination with padlocks I tried a "locksmithing course" BY MAIL. (Maybe I should have continued it)
Anyway in Impressioning a key they recommended "Smoking" the key using a Candle holding the key in the flame to darken it.
Worked fairly well but I did not continue with the course, Still have the "copy" of that manual. By "Copy" I mean it was photo copied page by page
and bound together with pins!
Best impression of a key, " click".
What about using something on the surface of the key to detect the scrapes easier? Like layout fluid for working with metal or maybe just a sharpie.
great absolutely great content. how much forensic evidence does this leave inside the lock body and on the pins? do you think this would be harder to notice than picks scraping the inside?
Wow I love TH-cam! clicked on a Bosnian Bill video and I got an ad for kwikset
amazing, I will have to try this!
amazon has a variety of loupes and magnifyers to choose from thats where i ordered mine from. delivery may take awile if it comes from china or somewere like that
I find impressioning more rewarding on a job than picking. it does take some time but if a lock can't come off a door bc it'll ruin the finish bc a painter painted over it. then impressioning is the way.
Thanks for the Demo and explanation --
Great information and loved to see this actually work. Now I'm going to sleep much better. Knowing anyone can get into the house. Oh...and If I do this on a 1970 mach 1 mustang where I bought a keyed column without a key. What key would I need, and which side of the lock are the pins on? Thank you!
You can look inside and see where the pins are. H55 I think??? Been a long time
Try a drywipe marker on the edge. I use it when i sharpen my woodworking tools.
Great video! I was just about to ask for this
Love the fast forward song!!! =)
That is so cool, thanks B Bill.
Once a lock has been picked, would it be possible to use some sort of pantograph-like tool to decode the heights of the pins? Once the lock is picked, there would be no need for a subtle sense of touch, since every pin's travel would max out at its correct height. If one could have the pick ride a consistent spot within the lock and had a marking device on the edge of a pick some distance from the lock, measuring how far that point could move down while feeling each pin should indicate how far up the pin could travel. The distance ratios would vary depending upon how far the pick was inserted, but it should be possible to make a translation table.
While the impressioning approach you describe wouldn't require picking the lock beforehand, it seems like it would generally require spending more time with trial and error than would picking a typical lock. Tracing the bitting after picking should expedite things a lot.
can order blanks for around 25cents each if you order from different locksmiths oo dealers online. example , clk supplies
I'm sitting here picking locks watching tgis video ... thanks
Very cool! I figured impressioning a key would be more difficult!
It can be with a high quality lock. But starting out with a "Master" lock helps you learn the technique and builds confidence.
Oh, it is.
great another good lock lab university video! I would still like to see a video on making pin in pins:)
How do you impression a master key that was made opens many locks, not just the one?
That's it. I'm switching from a file to 600 grit. Those initial marks stick out like a spotlight on a dark night.
Just use a candle to smoke the surface so when the lock pins rub on it it will be easier to see the scratches it makes on the blank.
Have you tried a sharpie marker to enhance the marks? The are often used in the machine trades to leave fit marks.
A true Master Lock.
Never even thought of sand paper... I use my bastard file to clean it then work it out. Still, great vid!
I never try this ... to be continue
Great video. very nice info. great job.
muy buen trabajo bill. usted sabe alguna pagina de internet donde pueda conseguir ese modelo de llave? soy de España y no puedo conseguirla. GRACIAS Y SALUDOS
The file only cuts when you push it forward anyway. You should never put pressure on the back stroke of a file, it only dulls it quicker and it's wasted energy (in case you're using a large file to take off a lot of material).
your right,...i snapped a few keys trying it ..they get weak after a few times of thqt
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Can you impression locks with security pins - like Abus, American Lock and the likes?
Yes
Awesome! Thanks Bill !
Hey Bill, can we get an instruction video on how you clean up/shape picks?
The master of lock
Wouldn't it be a bit easier if you hit the bitting with something like a dry erase marker in order to make the impressions "pop" a little easier?
Edit- Reading further down the comments I see I'm not the first to suggest this.
I'm not really surprised. There are some smart cookies in this game.
i have the same vice grips and just about the same condition I use it all the time mostly i just play with it beats a fidget spinner in my opinion.
Great video thanks bill
There's also foil impressioning or simply "foiling" still.
I wonder if you could use a highlighter, ink, acrylic paint or some white-out to make seeing easier.
Very cool. I like seeing how this is done. Your intro's are cool too. Where do they come from?
Nice video,thanks Bill 😘😘⭐️
the Fast Forward Music is the best! I am sure you have said what it is in the past Please say again
Um Bill, question I've seen a few videos about impressioning and they quite a lot of them move the handle up and down moslty not that much left to right. Any comments on that?
Hey Bill, do you know how probable it is to impression a triple bitted wafer lock like a Duo? Or do you know of any books/videos that could help? Thanks again, and as always great video!
Greetings and salutations
Could you use a sharpie to make scratches more pronounced?
Yer you can but once you get good at it it's an extra unnecessary step,
I've always heard to use a candle to blacken up the key with soot.
Thank you
Sharpie's are a common technique for people learning to sharpen knives to see whether they're hitting the right angles. I imagine it could be helpful when startling out with impressioning.
I was just gonna ask about that, thx.
Nice. I got the Marks. But then I realized, that it works not so good on a Steel Key. And I realized, that my File is to rough^^
Super low tech. I like it and i have a programmable lock I have been wanting to rekey but I have lost the original. I wonder if this method will still work?
Wow I had the impression it's much less visible !
Anyway .. what about foiling ? Have you seen that Forever lock foiled ?
he talked about it in the comments of that video. Its possible but not a very viable attack because if you screw it up, the lock is pretty much a paper weight.
I was under the impression that foil attacks only work well with dimple locks.
the forever lock hes referring to is a dimple lock
always love the videos bill