MG-AR1 Furore: an Alfa 4C-shaped hillclimb monster w/ Zytek V8 Engine testing at Imola Circuit!

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  • During the 2018 Motor Legend Festival me and my friends Davide458Italia and Italiansupercarvideo recorded Marco Gramenzi' crazy hillclimb car. It's called MG-AR1 Furore and basically it's a built on purpose race car, powered by a Zytek/Gibson V8 engine and the appearance of an Alfa Romeo 4C.
    The car is still under a test phase and it was at Imola Circuit doing some easy and calm laps in order to test a few components and solve a few problems. But you can still enjoy the marvellous engine sound!
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    I have to thank my friends and youtubers Italiansupercarvideo ( / italiansupercarvideo ) and Davide458Italia ( / davide458italia ) for letting me use their shots taken during the event and for the great collaboration done. Don't forget to subscribe to their channels!!
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    - Camcorder: Canon Legria HF G40 & G30 + Canon DM-100 Microphone
    - Event: Motor Legend Festival 2018
    - Where: Imola Circuit, Italy
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  • @SamuelCroin
    @SamuelCroin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    A 0:25 si sente una dichiarazione bellissima:"La passione e ' passione e non ha età . Quando siamo qua abbiamo tutti la stessa età ".

  • @spamcan9208
    @spamcan9208 6 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Those exhaust tips were a nice touch.

    • @savagetuner2404
      @savagetuner2404 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      YOOOOO I just saw it LOL

    • @sayan1667
      @sayan1667 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly, this is how much passion they have for this car. Amazing!

  • @MyGimpTutorialChannel
    @MyGimpTutorialChannel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    What a great car. What a sound. A work of art.

  • @Karibanu
    @Karibanu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh god that engine, wow - sound straight out of the 70s, gives you the shivers.

  • @francescodamore3393
    @francescodamore3393 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fantastico vedere lo scudetto alfa di nuovo in corsa😍😍😍

  • @JaredR1996
    @JaredR1996 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Amazing sound 👍👍👍

  • @LukeGB003
    @LukeGB003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This car is the definition of beautiful

  • @bogthing1
    @bogthing1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That thing is ridiculously cool. Thanks Bozz!

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome!

  • @TheMick26
    @TheMick26 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hi Bozzy. Almost 2 days late on the comment instead of my typical 1 day.😳 At first glance, I thought this may have been the latest iteration of the Alfa 4C (with the huge wing & 13" wheels) you've shown us previously. But, nope... after seeing the detailed garage scenes, it's obvious this is totally different and unique! Wow! This machine is awesome! That V8 has a very special sound coming out of it. Hopefully you'll have the opportunity to capture it going full-tilt in its natural element, the hillclimb. Thanks for sharing this special car with us, mate. See you soon.🙋

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ciao Mick! Exactly, last year I tought this was and evolution of the one you mentioned at the beginning but I discovered a few days ago the old Alfa Romeo 4C "Vision GT" (I love to call the 13''-wheeled ones in that way hahah) is still around. It was on the entry list of the 2018 Verzegnis hillclimb that took place yesterday here in Italy so I'm quite confident I'll may see it again in the future ;)
      Anyway, I love this 4C V8 project too and when everything will be checked will surely be a competitive monster!
      Thanks a lot for your comment! Cheers :)

  • @monkeydluffy8684
    @monkeydluffy8684 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It sounds amazing!

  • @jamiedh3036
    @jamiedh3036 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    pop pop pop, bang bang!!! I love it, thanks for uploading!!!

  • @cupidstunt22
    @cupidstunt22 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Blimey! Proper noise! Great work!

  • @caymanr671wc8
    @caymanr671wc8 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    sweet sounds and work as always man

  • @Chickden
    @Chickden 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazing sound.

  • @philippesandrat9618
    @philippesandrat9618 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I want a GP back on the imola track !! ( good vidéo !! (y) )

  • @jordanstatler4661
    @jordanstatler4661 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Sounds wierd to me to hear that sound on an actual racetrack...lol. I just think Hill climb when I hear it. Wierd but very welcome. Awesome as always Bozzy!

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed XD Thank you so much

    • @LuckyBaldwin777
      @LuckyBaldwin777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Legio XXI Rapax Do you know if he races Pike's Peak in the US?

    • @LuckyBaldwin777
      @LuckyBaldwin777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Legio XXI Rapax too bad. I'd love to see this car in person.

  • @blkpig6664
    @blkpig6664 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You Three are masters. Great job! B.P.

  • @Mavista1
    @Mavista1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Its 'the clover leaf exhaust tips that did it for me. Sound's ok too ;)

  • @458alok
    @458alok 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That is one hell of a car

  • @UN4GiV3NTR
    @UN4GiV3NTR 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    5:32 you can see the difference in suspension stiffness with stock 4C, and the sound ofc

  • @michelgoujon3166
    @michelgoujon3166 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Magnifique.. comme 4c..
    Également propriétaire de 4c..

  • @jraybay
    @jraybay 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow what a awesome looking and sounding car!

  • @matthewdufty606
    @matthewdufty606 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So..... Amazing!!!!!!

  • @fredericgauthier6738
    @fredericgauthier6738 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The wing and the diffuser are crazy. The Zytek V8 always sound better.

  • @dusancicko8339
    @dusancicko8339 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Formule 1 zklamala se zvukem motorů a já už nevěřil že něco podobného uslyším než jsem klikl na toto video:DÍKY!

  • @alexnickol8862
    @alexnickol8862 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ein Traum

  • @Badmonkey2230
    @Badmonkey2230 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wow...
    Thank you bozzy!

  • @onemantwohands5224
    @onemantwohands5224 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here's the real Alfa Romeo we all wanted !! :-) :-) :-) :-)

  • @chunder27
    @chunder27 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Only ever seen it once on a hill!

  • @CupsofCopus
    @CupsofCopus 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video bozzy! An Alfa with the old Zyteck V8? Thats a unique combo XD If this makes it to goodwood my money is on this beauty XP

  • @MarcelodavidAlmeda
    @MarcelodavidAlmeda ปีที่แล้ว

    El sonido ideal para un v8 vueltero

  • @ScuderiaDiMarcello
    @ScuderiaDiMarcello 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So Nice, what a sound. Sounds much beter than a 4 cilinder.

  • @myk6694
    @myk6694 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh what a beautiful noise

  • @chhaypolim8394
    @chhaypolim8394 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a F1 sound 🥰

  • @giovannimastroianni9038
    @giovannimastroianni9038 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dirigenti FCA prendete esempio !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @riciardhemmond386
    @riciardhemmond386 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastica 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @Shan_mirpuri
    @Shan_mirpuri 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:31 is the perfect down shift!!!!

  • @paoloerrante6092
    @paoloerrante6092 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grande Gramenzi..!!!

  • @powermove4
    @powermove4 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glorious sound ♢

  • @kdoran709
    @kdoran709 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a machine. Art.

  • @BooneLuebchow
    @BooneLuebchow 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like a classic f1 car at some points

  • @redrascal5673
    @redrascal5673 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i quadrifogli sugli scarichi sono una ficata!

  • @brianmueller8018
    @brianmueller8018 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those exhaust tips 😆🍀🍀

  • @A-G-F-
    @A-G-F- 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3rd time that you catch this bad boy :)

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2nd ;) I recently discovered this is a whole new car, so if you remember that crazy first version with the big wing, little wheels and turbocharged 4-cylinder, well that was another project shelved by the owner and replaced by this

  • @stefano669
    @stefano669 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bel video..... che suono il ROMBO wrrrrr

  • @juanmartin8202
    @juanmartin8202 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    nicest sound!!!!

  • @paulioan344
    @paulioan344 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gli scoppiettii in rilascio sono musica alle mie orecchie.

  • @aliffitisham129
    @aliffitisham129 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Alfa looks Noixe 😎👌

  • @Roger-kj2ql
    @Roger-kj2ql 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ma gramenzi ha 2 4c oppure é la stessa Con un altra livrea?

  • @Charlie-Charlot
    @Charlie-Charlot 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sounds great but it can’t beat the Judd’s V8

  • @RobertKarlBerta
    @RobertKarlBerta 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A very nicely setup 4C-look alike car. Makes for a potent car....looking forward to hearing how it does. Is this the same car that has been doing extremely well the last couple of months in hill climb racing in Europe?

  • @SamuelCroin
    @SamuelCroin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    La macchina è mostruosa. Mi ricorda il suono dei V8 Ford Formula 1 di metà anni '90. Oppure una Ferrari 355 anabolizzata di steroidi 😁😁😁

    • @alexandergrey
      @alexandergrey 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Penso sia il 4.7 v8 della 8C, cioè di derivazione ferrari

  • @lorto93
    @lorto93 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ho avuto l'onore di fare il logo e la livrea a questa macchina

  • @triviumneptune9262
    @triviumneptune9262 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Quest Alfa è fatta per correre altroché.

  • @taodej
    @taodej 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    bella ! bella !

  • @081588101
    @081588101 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    does this still have anything to do with a 4C, except for the shape?

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The monocoque is still the one of the original 4C, but it has been slightly improved and modified too

  • @richardms3682
    @richardms3682 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hahaha that exhaust tip is so cut 😂😂

  • @Thats-just-nasty
    @Thats-just-nasty 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That’s just nasty

  • @c.g.c2067
    @c.g.c2067 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Praticamente una F1

  • @donniemarks94
    @donniemarks94 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy shit 😮

  • @baconfister
    @baconfister 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting how it sounds like a high-strung inline-4 rather than a V8; certainly has something to do with the firing order and/or the way the exhaust header is routed.

  • @MJY5drives
    @MJY5drives 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much Horsepower does it have. Just asking to see if it would fit in GT3 or GT2 because it looks like one of the two

  • @mtr2391
    @mtr2391 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Porsche sound in the background is amazing

  • @shadowsystemproject
    @shadowsystemproject 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see this compete in GT3 or GT4 racing

  • @jakobemilmonkeypants
    @jakobemilmonkeypants 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    HP? It sounds amazing!

    • @A-G-F-
      @A-G-F- 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jakob Emil
      my bet is arround 350-400

    • @jakobemilmonkeypants
      @jakobemilmonkeypants 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Handsome Jack I was thinking 450-500 these hill climb monsters are insane

    • @trapjaw5310
      @trapjaw5310 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It has 525 hp! I seen it last week in Turin at a car show

    • @8070modifica
      @8070modifica 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      525

  • @isaaclong-dq5hy
    @isaaclong-dq5hy ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds a little bit like the 2012-2013 Rebellion B12/60 Toyota LMP1 car

  • @Pjmperez01
    @Pjmperez01 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder whats the displacement. The engine sounded like a low displacement, and high compression engine, Nice!

    • @Karibanu
      @Karibanu 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it's an old LMP engine I think they were 4L - f3000 was 3L, obviously.

  • @gonda89
    @gonda89 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tanto ci pensa Dondi con la X 😍

  • @Daisudori
    @Daisudori 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    sounds like RSR with new exhaust :P

  • @dreaman1981
    @dreaman1981 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    e' mostruosa in tutto e per tutto!!! cazzo che Alfa!!!!

    • @rossanofusina3427
      @rossanofusina3427 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      De alfa non e rimasto più nulla ... diciamo le forme un po di telaio x resto di alfa non ce nulla ....motore cambio freni .... l auto e stupenda ma la 155 che usava prima quella del dtm secondo me come gare in salita andava ancora di piu ...complimenti x la 4c hanno creato un mostro ...

  • @Alexis82
    @Alexis82 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    60-70% of the power!

  • @POTENTEBEEF
    @POTENTEBEEF 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    19bozzy92 ma quindi se ho capito bene dalla descrizione questa non là si può più considerare una 4C giusto? Sarebbe un prototipo con scocca a questo punto?

    • @PraetorBeast
      @PraetorBeast 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      E' semplicemente un prototipo costruito per avere le fattezze di una 4C, ma di 4C ha solo la scocca in fibra. Per il resto è un telaio costruito da 0, con propulsore Zytek, che dal 2017 ha cambiato il nome in Gibson.

    • @massimobernardo-
      @massimobernardo- 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ha il 3.5L V8 da 530hp usato nella World Series Renault ? questo :en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zytek_ZRS03 www.dallara.it/wps/portal/it/Veicoli-da-competizione/Formula-V8-3.5

    • @PraetorBeast
      @PraetorBeast 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Massimo Bernardo sembra di sì, anche se nel video non viene specificata nessuna cilindrata.

    • @POTENTEBEEF
      @POTENTEBEEF 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Luigi Barbaraci pensavo avesse lo stesso motore della Norba di Faggioli e pensavo fosse un 3000 di cilindrata, mi sbaglio?

    • @massimobernardo-
      @massimobernardo- 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fabio mi sa che hai ragione è un 3.0L th-cam.com/video/jidEHEVMG8Y/w-d-xo.html

  • @scnovisc
    @scnovisc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    beutifull sound but he is breaking so early all the time i dont know what he is testing going sso slow

  • @mihailyankovmihaylov1569
    @mihailyankovmihaylov1569 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ma posso chiedere quanto costa una macchina rialzata per la pista?

  • @TienTran-kw3il
    @TienTran-kw3il 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I mean it's a formula 3000 engine so it had to sound good

  • @Adam-eo5ff
    @Adam-eo5ff 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting, looks like it has the same carbon tub as the 4C?

    • @andreamoroni97
      @andreamoroni97 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Adam Blyth It is really light in the first place, no need to change it.

  • @rv85eng7
    @rv85eng7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lap times?🤔

  • @gabrielbarcellos1036
    @gabrielbarcellos1036 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

  • @juliaedan2647
    @juliaedan2647 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Spec?

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't know much but the engine is a 3.0 Zytek V8 with around 450hp (but they want to reach the 500 mark) and the weight is around 720 kg

  • @Mitzkal
    @Mitzkal 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Non è che looks like, il telaio di base è una 4C. Hanno "appiccicato" pezzi al monoscocca originale.

  • @tadman3d
    @tadman3d 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    It. Starts with a crack of thunder?

  • @peskarolo
    @peskarolo 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    sound like 2005 lmp car :)

  • @carlopasoli3239
    @carlopasoli3239 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Che motore e cambio ha?

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Il motore è uno Zytek 3.0 V8, il cambio dovrebbe essere un Sadev + Teknogear

    • @carlopasoli3239
      @carlopasoli3239 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      19Bozzy92 grazie

  • @joe125ful
    @joe125ful 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great car but i like more stock tuned engine than Zytek engine is not fit well for this car and exhaust end looks soooo wierd:)

  • @alloutofdonuts3998
    @alloutofdonuts3998 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does it sound exactly like a Ferrari F355 hillclimb car?!? That’s a joke to all the ones that thought they had a stock engine in the other vids(inside joke lol).

  • @Baubauzable
    @Baubauzable 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ma che giorno era? :O

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Durante il Motor Legend Festival, weekend del 21-22 Aprile

  • @taforth
    @taforth 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool - but why is it called an MG?

    • @acolombo89
      @acolombo89 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think for Marco Gramenzi

    • @taforth
      @taforth 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alessandro Colombo ok thanks - because MG had a high performance car, just before their demise, that looked vaguely similar (but wasn’t mid-engined) and had a V8...

  • @DisneyM92F
    @DisneyM92F 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Looks like →😔

    • @joe125ful
      @joe125ful 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ?????

    • @Charlie-Charlot
      @Charlie-Charlot 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Looks like what ? Depressed ?

    • @DisneyM92F
      @DisneyM92F 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Charlie Charlot
      I mean this car is looks like depressed face

  • @mbchannel1037
    @mbchannel1037 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Swapped engine?

    • @A-G-F-
      @A-G-F- 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One Of Da Kind
      An F3000 V8 engine

  • @PedroSantos-oy4nw
    @PedroSantos-oy4nw ปีที่แล้ว

    O meu alfa Romeo está em baixas muito fraco

  • @janettemolina7948
    @janettemolina7948 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    demasiados botones en el tablero para un auto de carrera, habria que cargar un co-piloto.....

  • @svenrill123
    @svenrill123 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is just a Silhouette isn't it?

    • @eddierodriguez4
      @eddierodriguez4 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      SvennyS yes

    • @fredericgauthier6738
      @fredericgauthier6738 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. Not a real 4C.

    • @K9RacingAndStuff
      @K9RacingAndStuff 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Frederic GAUTHIER no, there's definitely the 4C monocoque still present, as you can see at 0:44 . Aside from that, not much.

  • @putinladro6851
    @putinladro6851 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Alfa romeo con motore zytek ???????😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😱😲😱😱😲😲😱😨😨 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Non che ci sia rimasto molto di Alfa Romeo qua dentro eh

    • @putinladro6851
      @putinladro6851 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      19Bozzy92 ahahagag gusti

  • @gjsisj4245
    @gjsisj4245 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Penso che con un auto del genera si possa andare il triplo più veloce di sto qua

    • @19Bozzy92
      @19Bozzy92  6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Non per altro in descrizione ho scritto che ha fatto alcuni giri per provare alcuni nuovi componenti e risolvere alcuni problemi, mica fare il best lap per il Time Attack

    • @AndrewLewer90
      @AndrewLewer90 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Seriamente hai pensato che Gramenzi sia un fermone?
      Guardati i video dell'Alfa 155 DTM Hillclimb e poi ne riparliamo.

    • @vincenzoleonardi7496
      @vincenzoleonardi7496 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      no, dico, ma prima di commentare...

    • @gjsisj4245
      @gjsisj4245 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      19Bozzy92 haha raga scusate non le leggo le descrizioni

    • @prettystroke2505
      @prettystroke2505 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fidati che Gramenzi è un folle, ha un manico pazzesco e l'ha dimostrato per anni guidando la 155 dtm, per altro in cronoscalate!

  • @user-yl3rv9ee3z
    @user-yl3rv9ee3z 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    なんちゃってライトの処理、もう少し何とかならんのか。

  • @SWAGLOADER9000
    @SWAGLOADER9000 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks so sad :(

  • @liamsjtaylor
    @liamsjtaylor 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First comment

    • @banggegep4408
      @banggegep4408 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Liam Taylor gfy

    • @liamsjtaylor
      @liamsjtaylor 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bang Gegep Good For You or Go Fuck Yourself?

    • @banggegep4408
      @banggegep4408 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Liam Taylor who knows?

    • @liamsjtaylor
      @liamsjtaylor 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bang Gegep Obviously you do because you said that...

    • @nickthecynic587
      @nickthecynic587 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Liam Taylor its a mystery mate you decide what it means

  • @davemik71
    @davemik71 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    La passcione.....passcione...passcione...passcione....con la passcione non si impascta un cazzo, ci vuole la sostanza, e quella ce l’hanno sciolo i tedeschi!!! e non le alfa rumeno!