The difference between the stealthy legion can be summed up as Raven guard: you dont see them and you dont know they're there Night Lords: you dont see them but you KNOW they're there Alpha legion: you see them but you dont know they're there
My favorite Alpha Legion story. Probably fake but still, awesome. A group of people were playing 40k rpg. They had a drop in who didnt know the game so they so they played a just for fun game. The guy could pick any group of space marines. Guy said he hear of alpha legion,, they wear blue right? GM said no that's ultra marines.Player insisted they seemed cool, could he play alpha legion. Fun game so ok. Mission involved going underground to get something. New guy wants to put a bomb in the tunnel just in case they need to flee and collapse the tunnel. Ok. Seems a little over cautious but new player involvement is good. Dm tells new player to write it down. He does and puts the note aside. Blah blah blah. They get the thing and are leaving. One player (not the new guy) falls behind a bit and OHNO! The player is a traitor! Traitor holds up the others, makes them throw their guns down and put the thing they got on the ground and back away. The group does. As the traitor is walking to get the item, the new player says 'he is standing in the section of tunnel where the bomb was set. how long have we been on this mission?' Dm, I dont know 40 mins Player tells the dm to look at the note he put aside when he planted the bomb. Dm picks up the note and written on. It says 'set explosive at 40 mins' Bomb goes off killing the traitor. Everyone stares at the new player. New guy "I am Alpharius"
Quoth this absolute CHADDICUS MAX.... "I am Alpharius." He is Alpharius, he speaks for his tricks, and if you get to comfortable, you will be destroyed,you pricks.
Little Trivia: Back during WWII, the UK Security Service, a.k.a. MI5, made a counter-espionage and deception operation against the Nazis where they captured Nazi agents, either real or fake, and spread disinformation to their controllers. The name of this operation? The Double-Cross System or the XX System. This operation is overseen by a committee, the Twenty committee, because the operation's name can also be read as the Roman numeral for twenty. Just in case you ever wonder where GW got the idea for the Twentieth Legion's whole schtick.
not only did they have a counter intel operation like that, but it was also so effective that they managed to turn ALL of the nazi infiltrators into double agents, which was one of the reasons Operation Overlord (D-Day) was so effective: all of the double agents sent back incorrect intel about when and where the allied powers would attack.
headcannon: Alpharius is alive but nobody believes him because they are all just like, "yeah man me too, we are all Alpharius." "No you fool, I'M ALPHARIUS." "... yeah sure man, you're Alpharius"
@@connormac4401 okay but like, not to lean into the meme here , but if any Loyalist primarch was gonna be fooled into thinking Alpharius was dead it would be dorn. Alpharius' whole thing is having a plan, I don't think dying is part of it.
Nah. With Khorne there is no "yours". You don't get to fail in Khorneland. The quote is set up so that failure and its implication is borne to you to think about and consider. With Khorne there better not be considering because you better have been vaporized into atoms and completely exploded down to the subatomic level or Khorne will not have blood, He'll have your ass.
Bare in mind that Alpharius learned how to hide his primarch aure with Malcador and Omegon did not, and every time Rogal "felt" Alpharius, he only felt one primarch in the room, not two.
That makes so much sense I always thought how in the novels he was always spotted in the heresy but not the crusade where he met most primarchs without notice but only alpharius truly mastered the ability
Alpha Legion tactics 101 1. paint a single model of every 40k faction there is (just a generic troop, no fancy stuff) 2. secretly slip him into your opponents army when he is not looking 3. once your model is discovered or once the game is over reveal to your opponent that that model was a double agent 4. claim strategic victory (even if you lost)
Fun Fact: Even the Night Lords and Konrad Curze were put off by The Alpha Legion. Yes, The Night Haunter himself called out their tactics and called them twisted.
While quite large compared to regular humans, Alpharius Omegon was small in comparison to his fellow primarchs. That is to say, compared to his brothers they are just a little guy
Not necessarily a good example of treating them well. It's hard to tell what seemingly inane piece of information a human could have that could unravel plots in plots in plots if a bright enough person got that information.
@@AnarchicMaN idk. seems like they treat their assets pretty well if they're willing to break them out. If they were worried about plots being unraveled it'd be easier to just kill the person they're worried about.
I am so sorry, I don't want to be the actually guy, but I don't think this will count as "actually," more trivia if anything. Two things, first, the super clean death of Alpharius, and the reaction of the alpha legion is actually the strongest evidence that it wasn't Alpharius that was killed, but instead Omegon or a random Marine. Same for Rogal Dorn being alive, every time a primarch is killed for good and certain like with Horus, Sanguinius, Konrad Curze, or Ferus Manus, the psychic impact it has on the legion is crushing, and forces them to suddenly pivot toward their unsavory habits as a whole. The death of Sanguinius had the Black Rage become more common, Ferus Manus's death cause the Iron Hands to start hacking off limbs, less because they were injured, and more because of a type of Body Dysmorphia etc. No repercussions happened when Alpharius or Dorn died. 2nd, and this is more of a funny little story, but the meme of Alpha Legion being Loyalists was addressed by GW with a story of one Alpha Legionnaire that thinks he's still loyal to the imperium.
I've always thought they weren't loyalists or chaos but rather renegade. That they have their own plans and know better than everyone else. That seems to match their legion more than following either rules
@@haroldsandahl6408 The Chaos Legion and the (currently alive) Alpharius are renegade by design of Malcador, in fact I can see alpha Legion as Malcador's personal espionage legion all along I wouldn't surprise once 40K end times happens, it's due to Malcador's shards suddenly resurrected or some other crazy subversion of Warp magics, then the few Alpha Legion loyalists appears themselves infront of the returning Primarchs or something along the sort
Errrr.... forgot about None are without fault, baseline IF geneseed quirk, and Dorns Darkness from that chapter whos name I keep not knowing how to pronounce.
the first Alpharius death to Dorn is Omegon, as he took on the role of Alpharius and the more public face of the legion once discovered, but he is def 100% dead the flash of light of a Primarch death, but his mind was in Kel Silonias' body so yeah. Alpharius is still alive, Rowboat most def just killed a regular marine. But is Alpharius really Cypher the fallen angel who knows where he is now what he his doing
The best part about Alpha legion is anyone and everyone could be alpha legion. I'm convinced all of 40k lore is Alpharius training and testing against Alpharius in case a threat does appear, then the Tyranids show up
@@Archon3960 How often does it happen that one cell is up to their usual sneaky shit but are being countered by some Inquisitor or something, only in the end both to realise they are both Alphas.
My liege! I write to you with shocking news! Alpharius tried to have me assassinated to make sure I wouldn't discover his plot to kill Alpharius Your humble spymaster, Alpharius
"If you wanted to play both sides then why did you tell me about it? It totally defeats the purpose of playing both sides." - unnamed Death Guard wielding a Power Toeknife.
I feel like Big E got himself throned to escape the pure cringe that is his primarchs. The 10k+ years he has been on the throne is his way of ghosting his sons. Which is why he was mean to the Master Blueberry.
Sigmalia, the one and only female primarch, twin sister of Alpharius and Omegan, and had surgery to look exactly like her bros and smoked for twelve years in the warp to sound like them. No one knows why she did that last one except Alpharius.
"You roll a six and any vehicle explodes" So you're telling me that Chaos has Space Slavs, Space Egyptians, Space Catholics and now the Space IRA in the Alpha legion?
The recent Horus Heresy 2.0 has made Alpha Legion the ultimate troll army. Their army wide ability is that whenever you want to shoot, charge or do a reaction to an Alpha Legion unit they count as being 2" farther away than they actually are. That means if night fighting is active they can stand at 23" away and shoot but you can't shoot back, if they are more than 10" away you cannot charge them and most reactions require the reacting unit to be within 12" and there are some pretty powerful reactions that let you shoot, charge, give everyone a cover save, make one dude into a sacrifice that just absorbs all the shots etc. meaning you can deny a lot of defensive power with careful positioning. I'm expecting to see a big explosion in HH Alpha Legion players in the near future. Well that and Exodus and Armillus Dynat exist.
Also, Alpharius is the only Primarch without the Loyalist or Traitor keywords, meaning he can fight for either side. I also love that they have a "Loyalist" warlord trait where you have to bring an allied detachment, and if you get them all killed you get a victory point (and they don't count for kill points either).
@@alexgarrett4673 You can even (sort of) copy the Blood Angels RoW "Day of Sorrows" using the "Coils of the Hydra" to bring 3 units of Crimson Paladins to be the dudes deployed on the board. That said I'm gonna use that to bring a fill strength unit of Deathsworn complete with a Caster of Runes and Chooser of the Slain to mirror-match my brother's Space Wolves AND take a Black Watch Pack as the allied detachment. Do you think he'd disown me if I brought Exodus too?
Some legion praetor fighting Dynat, having only take a wound or two from the Prince. "Oh thank goodness, finally the round is over and I survived" gets SHMACKED with an extra hit from the Prophet. Dies. Armillus Dynat. Gigachad.
"The voice actor sounds so familiar!" It's Scott McNeil, he was the original voice of Piccolo in the first Dragon Ball Z dub (before Funimation's in-house studio took over) and has done a TON of voice acting all over the place.
Scott McNeill, MIGHTY IS HE! His voice acting work is so much fun. He's very good, but just cannot take some of the stuff seriously and the results are amazing, especially in the Warhammer games.
Watching Piccolo power up and realising that Scott McNeil would be borderline passing out/ blowing out his throat afterwards gave me a new level of respect for voice actors.
a funny point for the alpha legion is that a good sized chunk of the legion was lead by........ a shard of the Deceiver disguised as what they all thought was Omegon and near the galactic core were slowly building anti warp pylons from The Sons of the Hydra novel
Alpha Legion is extremely popular in 30k because they dont try to force Chaos themes on them, especially when it makes no sense giving the history and tactics of the legion. Heres the plan to make them cooler in 40k: Get rid of all the Daemon engines, let them steal the cool new toys of loyalists like Primaris marines and repulser tanks, Let them take Imperial allied detachments who they deceived and used as meat shields, let them plant explosives before the battle that their opponents trip over, let them use the opponents units to shoot on each other because they sprung a trap or have agents within, give them sniper and scout characters to pick off named characters, let them be impossible to decapitate and have whole HQ units count as warlords, Let them infiltrate and scout or force your opponent to deploy in ways they dont want to...
Hey wait, they already do some of these... Though yeah, they should get some kind of area denial when the opponent sets up. Like, a 4-5" radius of "no-go zone" somewhere in their deployment area. That would be cool. The problem with hidden explosives on the terrain is that it would have to be assigned retroactively; otherwise it wouldn't be hidden; but at that point, it's basically just a fancy artillery strike or something. Still, what they have now is pretty cool too.
@@samuelevans738a good way to implement hidden explosives would be toassign a number to the terrain pieces, and then write down some of the numbers on a piace of paper beforehand. When an enemy steps on the trap, the AL player turns the card over to show it was mined
There's a fairly common fan theory that though the majority of the Alpha Legion turned traitor, they're unwittingly doing the work of loyalists. The fan theory goes that Alpharius turned traitor, but Omegon stayed loyal(maybe it's the other way around, maybe it's both, maybe it's neither). After Alpharius was killed at the Battle of Pluto by Rogal Dorn, Omegon took full command of the legion and began secretly waging war on the traitors. Many people point to the Alpha Legion's actions on Vraks and other battles where they intentionally drew the attention of the Imperium to crush an out of control cult or other chaotic shenaniganeries or separatists in position to cause a whole lot of damage that the vast nightmare bureaucracy of the Imperium would normally be sluggish to respond to, or even skip over entirely.
There was also an instance where the Alpha Legion and another choas group (I think it was Emperor's Children, but I forget) were after this one psyker. Celestine also got involved, even handing the psyjer over to the Alpha Legion says that the psyker would be safe with them. So it definitely sounds like a few war bands are 100% still loyal to the Imperium.
Everyone misses that fact that I think there's a good mix of loyal and non loyal Legonaires, almost 50/50 they're all about black ops and espionage a solid amount if their agents may have been soo deep in may have been completely unaware of which side they were on in the heresy
I'm happy you guys did a full episode on the Alpha Legion. My favorite Space Marine chapter because they use so many real world equivalents in how they operate but of course like anything in 40K is racked up to 20. Hydra Dominatus.
How to play alphalegion: Bring atmost 5 of every unit for every faction Eg: ultramarines If fighting against ultramarines put 5 ultramarines in ur army
I actually do this because I bought a really well painted blood angels predator and would feel really bad about repainting it I always put it down first so people look at it and go "oh he plays blood angels prepare for melee" to be met then with my lord and his champion
Paint an entire Primaris SM army as Alpha Legion. Before the game, announce what Loyalist chapter you are using. Proceed to play game as normal, using the rules of the chapter you picked.
My guess is that the Alpha Legion has only one goal: end the emperium war by any means necessary. That means dealing with chaos, emperium and xenos at the same time, everything goes. No sacrifice, tragedy nor subterfuge is out of limits. Why? Malcador and the Emperor were with Alpharius since the beginning. I can see them teaching Alpharius that a tragedy for billions can bring mercy to trillions. ... or is it?
Those 4 guardsmen were trained by Sly Marbo. They may not be as tough or effective as Sly, but those 4 guardsmen have become legends in their own right.
Ok so am I the only one who thought that when they found the heads in the freezer the implication is the bodies were sent back and an infiltrator has been feeding the bodies to the high lords and the heads were left as proof.
@@lukkaredwolf3534 In the imperium of man there's something called corpse starch wich is food normally for the most poor in the Imperium and it's made of all kinds Of recycled organic matter including human corpses.
@@davidfrancisco3502 oh yeah, I know of that. My implications are that the assassins never left or at least didn't get far, and that all the heads being sent were sn alpha legion psyop
@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder well, I mean, I would assume in the 40th millennium that they could know a rough T.O.D. for something like that by examining the remains, but I'm certain that the inquisition wouldn't like the answer to that little question.
Remember Kids! Never forget your METAL BAWKES! But my view of the Legion is that there is a warband loyal to Omegon(who is the alive one) who are still loyal to the Imperium while the rest are fooled to help the Imperium or are independent of the Legion as a whole and are doing their own thing while Omegon leads his Omega Legion to help the Imperium from the shadows.
I feel like a lot of the Alpha Legion are legit traitors, but Alpharius Omegon is using them in his overall scheme to help the Emperor without their knowledge.
@@TheShmileyDawg That's my theory, most are traitor but being used or are independent while like a thousand are still following Omegon directly and are loyal to him.
I have a theory about the alpha legion, they are just the ultimate shit posters, the seem to serve all the chaos gods simultaniously except nurgle, their schemes serve Tzentch, their prepetuation of war through playing both sides serves Khorn, their upsurd level of mind whiping and declaring they are all Alpharius serves slaanesh, and why don't they serve Nurgle, just to mess with you so you can't call them chaos undivided
The declaring themselves as all being Alpharius is a Tzentch thing. It is a plan of disinformation that leads to raw chaos in the enemy's information network. Slaanesh is about over loading on emotion. Which means you cannot plan, you cannot be 'under cover', no spying, no disinformation...you are too high for any of that. A Khornite Berserker has more in common with Slaanesh then an Alpha Legion member.
Virus bombing a planet and infecting crops into sludge pretty much pleases Nurgle. But even if they are not into chaos, they are still shady AF. If the Inquisition is the FBI and NSA of the Imperium, Alpha Legion is the CIA.
I often like to imagine that anytime GamesWorkshop retcons something, it's just the Imperium finally fixing files that alpha legion recruits changed just to prove themselves.
Given it's such easy meme fodder I'm surprised they missed that Alpha Legion love dressing up as Ultramarines for false flag operations and general dickery.
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 except the poor imperial fist warlord who greets opponents with the 40k tagline 'In the faaaar future, there will be only war' Cause thats really something Id say to my opponent as an introduction. This is a lie.
The ghost legion part of the alpharius book was my favorite, the way he interacted with his sons and discussed about missions was so cool to me, also recognizing names like dynat, ingo pesh and skroll made me genuinly happy
The Alpha Legion are a blank check to justify any battle on the tabletop you want. Why is this regiment of Guard attacking another? Because their commander is an Alpha Legion agent. Why are these Ultramarines fighting this other group of Ultramarines? Because one of them is actually Alpha Legion in disguise, perfectly replicating their fighting tactics. Etc, etc.
Exodus was an agent similar to Phocron during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, said to the best sniper in all the Legiones Astartes. Whether it was actually one person or a small group of talented marksmen, of course, we don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t mind him/them popping back up in 40K. Alpha Legion needs a little diversity for sure.
Legion was one of my favourite books in the Horus Heresy series. Didn’t like it at first but by the end it’s in my Top 5 (so far). Big up Bronzi and Peto
I'm so mad GW forces you to buy the premium Faith and Fury book in order to learn an Alpha Legion warband created a ritual to turn Imperial citizens into psykers capable of creating physical manifestations of the Emporer. And then violently exploding.
30:00 - Maybe someone in the Asassinorum knows the Alpha Legion is loyalist, and faked the death of their own assassins to make it seem like the legion is with Chaos and is causing fuckery to bolster their cover...or maybe not. Crikey.
Btw is the rule of thumb to call alpharius alpharius before he found his twin and to call him omegon after he found omegon and they swapped names making omegon alpharius and alpharius omegon. Also I could see the psychers all having the same dream being due to one sleeper psycher starting the vision wich other psychers detected, creating a stronger impact on the warp thus causing a sort of chain reaction.
The names are pretty much interchangeable, as were the twins. Some tried to keep track by using Alpharius Omegon and Omegon Alpharius to represent when they switched. But since no-one knows how many times they switched or when that was it's still down to using a coin flip or eenie meanie miny mo to figure it out... 😉
Love the Alpha Legion lore and how open they are to interpretation. The armor color is so cool as well even though they have never been super powerful on the tabletop they would one of the worst to fight as a Guardsmen on a planet.
NGL and off topic I just love the Chaos Lord's in the Dawn Of War games. DOW 1: Lord Bale ("SINDRI!!!!") DOW 1.2 Winter Assault: Lord Crull (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!) DOW 1.3 Dark Crusade: *Lord Eliphas The Inheritor* ("Chaos calls for your destruction!") DOW 1.4 SoulStorm: Lord Carron ("METAL BAWKES!")
Because its pretty much the same kinda story as Pluto, Alpha Legion tricks the ennemy, ennemy push through and is winning anyway, Primarch duel, initial upper hand to the traitor, ultimate winner the Imperium, except Alpha Legion doesnt react as expected and punish the ennemy enough to escape successfully and hide
“Why, I’m Alpharius.” “What kind of fool do you take me for? He’s Alpharius, He’s Alpharius, you’re Alpharius, I’m Alpharius!! Are there any other Alpharius’s I should know about?!” “I am Alpharius.” “…I’m out of here.”
It's been a long while since I've played 40k but I've kept up with the game periodically - I love the presentation of the codices and battle reports are fun long form videos - and the Alpha Legion had two fairly recent editions where they were powerful (for CSM). There was the edition where you could essentially field infinite cultists and the one where you got enough minus to hit buffs that you could run Lord Discordants directly up the table turn 1 without getting them shot to pieces. They were especially good at objective battles. It was *really* fucking hard for your opponent to score from killing your warlord. It probably couldn't top any metas but you could absolutely clean up at your local game stores with decent play on your part. It's a shame Bricky never got to play against them. Favorite faction in 40k. Love the fluff (they did a bit more than that in the Heresy, Bricky), crunch, and aesthetic. They really lend themselves to the Your Dudes aspect of the game.
The Alpha Legions lore is much like they are themselves in universe. A lot of conflicting stories and various theories between the people in the know. The only "real" depictions we have seen of the alpha legion are the cases of short stories and full novels where they get a pov. Like the primarch book or the Shroud of night novel. For example we know now that Alpharius was tought by Malcador, who founded and led the Officio Assassinorum. So it is easy to look for connections there. Another one is that because of the whole switcheroo we saw happen in the Primarch book, the running theory is that it was Omegon who died (or maybe didn't) to Dorn. Following that because Alpharius was raised in the Imperium and omegon wasn't there is the Idea that they where each leaning towards the opposite sides. In the end who the fuck knows It's not unreasonable to assume that one of the twins is alive (most likely Alpharius). And that there might me a bigger part of the legion still united but duping everyone . While there are scatterd warbands who follow whoever is more convenient at that moment.
*guardsman at the gate * its a space marine! open the gate! its not a loyalist! close the gate! its not a traitor either! open the gate a little! i know that this is a very elaborate meme but frick it
Understanding the alpha legion is like the game where you got to find the ball under the right cup while they move around but there are 3 ball instead of one 😂
Kassar is a bad ass in Shroud of Night. There's also Occam the Untrue. And Arkos the Faithless. Then there's also failsauce like Kernax Voldorius. Shy, you did the guys a disservice. You should have given them the poll results from Warhammer Community where the Alpha Legion got the most votes out of all the Traitor Legions (even got into the top 4 out of all the legions).
This whole legion is me, getting the role of Shapeshifter on Among Us and killing my friend, copying their identity, and then immediately getting caught red handed by the other friend. While standing in front of the corpse. I managed to shift the blame in the end. Hydra Dominatus indeed.
When you are Alpha and Omega. Is there anyone above you to answer to? Is the so called "God" Emperor above you? Or are you above him? You hold all the answers and the all questions. Do you bow before the false Emperor? Or do you slay him? Riddles on top of questions. On top of more tricks of the mind. What is the truth? When it is all a lie. *smile* I am Alpharus. Hydra Dominatus
they are such a cool and unique legion, it's a little shame that the fluff doesn't quite translate onto the tabletop. For example, the range of miniatures heavily caters to that full on demon possession/warp mutation aesthetic which doesn't really suit them. I like a lot of the new rules they got but I feel like more could have been done there.
Oh boi, another legion episode! I can't wait for the Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children episode! Then they should do the Sanguinius and the Blood Angels episode next! (Reset the clock! Reset it until they have nothing left to talk about!)
Alpha Legion is a bit odd for people making an army of them. Unlike all other CSM, they aren't super corrupted like the standard CSM kit marines are, and so you have to do quite a bit of kitbashing unless you want to use straight loyalist models and just paint them blue turquoise. My favorite thing about them is you can make a fluffy list for AL that could either be loyalist, CSM, or even guard.
The difference between the stealthy legion can be summed up as
Raven guard: you dont see them and you dont know they're there
Night Lords: you dont see them but you KNOW they're there
Alpha legion: you see them but you dont know they're there
Ah excellent
Perfect.
Sums up the legions whose Primarch was the origin of the blood games.
So Raven Guard= A bunch of Solid Snakes,
Night Lords= A bunch of Batmans
Alpha Legion= A bunch of Agent 47's
Space Wolves steallth: Agent 47 AFTER he has been found out and it's back to the old KILL ALL WITNESSES.
Ah yes, the good ole "stealth means no survivors"
My favorite Alpha Legion story. Probably fake but still, awesome.
A group of people were playing 40k rpg. They had a drop in who didnt know the game so they so they played a just for fun game. The guy could pick any group of space marines. Guy said he hear of alpha legion,, they wear blue right?
GM said no that's ultra marines.Player insisted they seemed cool, could he play alpha legion. Fun game so ok.
Mission involved going underground to get something. New guy wants to put a bomb in the tunnel just in case they need to flee and collapse the tunnel.
Ok. Seems a little over cautious but new player involvement is good. Dm tells new player to write it down. He does and puts the note aside.
Blah blah blah. They get the thing and are leaving. One player (not the new guy) falls behind a bit and OHNO! The player is a traitor! Traitor holds up the others, makes them throw their guns down and put the thing they got on the ground and back away. The group does.
As the traitor is walking to get the item, the new player says 'he is standing in the section of tunnel where the bomb was set. how long have we been on this mission?'
Dm, I dont know 40 mins
Player tells the dm to look at the note he put aside when he planted the bomb.
Dm picks up the note and written on. It says 'set explosive at 40 mins'
Bomb goes off killing the traitor. Everyone stares at the new player.
New guy "I am Alpharius"
*Epic*
Quoth this absolute CHADDICUS MAX.... "I am Alpharius." He is Alpharius, he speaks for his tricks, and if you get to comfortable, you will be destroyed,you pricks.
He is truly one of my sons
Nice.
Fake or not, that is amazing.
Little Trivia: Back during WWII, the UK Security Service, a.k.a. MI5, made a counter-espionage and deception operation against the Nazis where they captured Nazi agents, either real or fake, and spread disinformation to their controllers. The name of this operation? The Double-Cross System or the XX System. This operation is overseen by a committee, the Twenty committee, because the operation's name can also be read as the Roman numeral for twenty.
Just in case you ever wonder where GW got the idea for the Twentieth Legion's whole schtick.
@@DrLimeGreen Space Marines have cockney accents
I had no idea, thank you!
I actually learned about history here, didn't expect that.
@@DrLimeGreen
Yeah, totally forgot that GW is english
not only did they have a counter intel operation like that, but it was also so effective that they managed to turn ALL of the nazi infiltrators into double agents, which was one of the reasons Operation Overlord (D-Day) was so effective: all of the double agents sent back incorrect intel about when and where the allied powers would attack.
headcannon: Alpharius is alive but nobody believes him because they are all just like,
"yeah man me too, we are all Alpharius."
"No you fool, I'M ALPHARIUS."
"... yeah sure man, you're Alpharius"
Yes
Source: Alpharius(?)
So a random alpha marine fought Dorn and almost killed him
@@connormac4401 okay but like, not to lean into the meme here , but if any Loyalist primarch was gonna be fooled into thinking Alpharius was dead it would be dorn. Alpharius' whole thing is having a plan, I don't think dying is part of it.
@@JayJayFlip unless.....
In DK's defense "he cares not from where the blood flows" matches the quote "chaos demands blood, yours or theirs," perfectly.
I'm like 100% sure I heard that quote from some other place about khorne
Nah. With Khorne there is no "yours". You don't get to fail in Khorneland. The quote is set up so that failure and its implication is borne to you to think about and consider. With Khorne there better not be considering because you better have been vaporized into atoms and completely exploded down to the subatomic level or Khorne will not have blood, He'll have your ass.
Fire alarm? GOOD, let it burn!
@@somemate1050 _The daemons of Khorne are gonna eat ya out like ice-cream sandwitches once your Red Rage begins_
- Lemon Ross, Alfabusa Legion
Yeah the only thing that threw me off was the that they require discipline part.
One of my favorite stories is where an arbites is hunting alpha legion sleeper cells, but he finds out he himself is a sleeper agent
Baldermort moment
Alpha Legion does a little trolling
@@jim8123 I think he made that one up, but it was such a good story, and that Video made The Alfa Legion my favourite one for sure.
@@mozxz
You mean to say: "I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
@@jim8123Very. ❤
Bare in mind that Alpharius learned how to hide his primarch aure with Malcador and Omegon did not, and every time Rogal "felt" Alpharius, he only felt one primarch in the room, not two.
Oh fuck I didn’t think of that😮
That makes so much sense I always thought how in the novels he was always spotted in the heresy but not the crusade where he met most primarchs without notice but only alpharius truly mastered the ability
Alpha Legion tactics 101
1. paint a single model of every 40k faction there is (just a generic troop, no fancy stuff)
2. secretly slip him into your opponents army when he is not looking
3. once your model is discovered or once the game is over reveal to your opponent that that model was a double agent
4. claim strategic victory (even if you lost)
Isn't this from that old '1001 things I'm no longer allowed to do in Warhammer 40k'?
Fun Fact: Even the Night Lords and Konrad Curze were put off by The Alpha Legion. Yes, The Night Haunter himself called out their tactics and called them twisted.
Alpharius in Bequin #3 confirmed. 😎
Ripping out a man’s pevis and using it to decapitate his entire street while he watches is one thing, but blowing up a bridge? We have standards!
Yes but to Curze; not skinning and dismembering people was weird.
@Seldom UPLOADS Except Konrad could be in the right to fear them.
@@TheHULKMAN117 Probably because they got loyalists.
While quite large compared to regular humans, Alpharius Omegon was small in comparison to his fellow primarchs. That is to say, compared to his brothers they are just a little guy
just a little guy
Just look at him, he is just a little guy
Just a little guy
Get out
All of you
@@dimitriosdrossidis9633 Don't be rude, they're just little guys
Remember kids, the real Alpharius is the friends we made along the way.
And the Alpharius(s) we picked up along the way
And you wouldn't even know it
You didn't even know
No actually he was there you just didn't realise
Wait, who's this guy with his multiple clone-things sitting down to supper with me?
The end of Shi's message should've been " see you later BATTLE BROTHERS - said a loyal space marine leaving a room full of undercover alpha legioners"
Or is it Alpharius leaving the room?
All the undercover members come from different warbands
Love this comment
From everything that I’ve read, the Alpha Legion treats it’s baseline human agents well and will even launch assaults to break them out of captivity.
Not necessarily a good example of treating them well. It's hard to tell what seemingly inane piece of information a human could have that could unravel plots in plots in plots if a bright enough person got that information.
@@AnarchicMaN idk. seems like they treat their assets pretty well if they're willing to break them out. If they were worried about plots being unraveled it'd be easier to just kill the person they're worried about.
Besides gratitude, it's also practical as training or finding an especially talented human agent takes a lot of time
@AnarchicMaN that's true but it is much easier to just kill the captive then try to protect them to exfil
I am so sorry, I don't want to be the actually guy, but I don't think this will count as "actually," more trivia if anything. Two things, first, the super clean death of Alpharius, and the reaction of the alpha legion is actually the strongest evidence that it wasn't Alpharius that was killed, but instead Omegon or a random Marine. Same for Rogal Dorn being alive, every time a primarch is killed for good and certain like with Horus, Sanguinius, Konrad Curze, or Ferus Manus, the psychic impact it has on the legion is crushing, and forces them to suddenly pivot toward their unsavory habits as a whole. The death of Sanguinius had the Black Rage become more common, Ferus Manus's death cause the Iron Hands to start hacking off limbs, less because they were injured, and more because of a type of Body Dysmorphia etc. No repercussions happened when Alpharius or Dorn died.
2nd, and this is more of a funny little story, but the meme of Alpha Legion being Loyalists was addressed by GW with a story of one Alpha Legionnaire that thinks he's still loyal to the imperium.
Not to mention the countless times they've indirectly helped the Imperium, often simply by antagonizing it where/when shit is about to go down.
I've always thought they weren't loyalists or chaos but rather renegade. That they have their own plans and know better than everyone else. That seems to match their legion more than following either rules
@@haroldsandahl6408 The Chaos Legion and the (currently alive) Alpharius are renegade by design of Malcador, in fact I can see alpha Legion as Malcador's personal espionage legion all along
I wouldn't surprise once 40K end times happens, it's due to Malcador's shards suddenly resurrected or some other crazy subversion of Warp magics, then the few Alpha Legion loyalists appears themselves infront of the returning Primarchs or something along the sort
Errrr.... forgot about None are without fault, baseline IF geneseed quirk, and Dorns Darkness from that chapter whos name I keep not knowing how to pronounce.
the first Alpharius death to Dorn is Omegon, as he took on the role of Alpharius and the more public face of the legion once discovered, but he is def 100% dead the flash of light of a Primarch death, but his mind was in Kel Silonias' body so yeah. Alpharius is still alive, Rowboat most def just killed a regular marine. But is Alpharius really Cypher the fallen angel who knows where he is now what he his doing
The best part about Alpha legion is anyone and everyone could be alpha legion. I'm convinced all of 40k lore is Alpharius training and testing against Alpharius in case a threat does appear, then the Tyranids show up
Except the Tyranids are also Alpharius
Hive Fleet - Alpharius
*_Alpha Legion is for everyone._* xD
@@Archon3960 How often does it happen that one cell is up to their usual sneaky shit but are being countered by some Inquisitor or something, only in the end both to realise they are both Alphas.
My liege!
I write to you with shocking news! Alpharius tried to have me assassinated to make sure I wouldn't discover his plot to kill Alpharius
Your humble spymaster,
Alpharius
I'm surprised they didn't talk about the Sons of the Hydra, the Alpha Legion warband that still consider themselves loyal to the Imperium.
"I'm playing both sides, so that way I always come out on top."
-Unnamed Alpha Legion Legionaire
(or Alparius we couldn't tell)
[Totaly wasn't Omegon tho. Trust me]
something tell me this legionnaire name is Alpharius, but this will be a lie
"If you wanted to play both sides then why did you tell me about it? It totally defeats the purpose of playing both sides." - unnamed Death Guard wielding a Power Toeknife.
@@Soldierofdoom444"because Alpharius, when you cut off a head another grows back" *cue the Deathgard being an Alpha Legionaire sleeping agent*
Perturabo: "God is CRINGE."
Lorgar: "God is BASED."
I feel like Big E got himself throned to escape the pure cringe that is his primarchs. The 10k+ years he has been on the throne is his way of ghosting his sons. Which is why he was mean to the Master Blueberry.
Alpharius: "the kill reports were faked, your assasins have been dead for months and their heads are in the pizza section of your massive freezer"
The four guardsmen of the apocalypse sounds like an incredible idea for a unit.
Creed for tactical genius,
Commisar Cain for good luck,
Macharius To Look dope in his armour,
And sly marbo for absolute mayhem.
@@brok56 this is what is unleashed when someone (finally) opens Trazyn's vault. Along with all the other **** he has lounging around in there.
"But we already did an Alpha Legion episode!"
"That's the secret. EVERY episode is an Alpha Legion episode."
My general assumption is Alpharius is actually loyal, but most of the Alpha Legion have no idea whose side they are even on
Alpha Legion is the embodiment of living in someone's head rent free
It has been said that the secret third one, Sigmarius, still resides on Sigma-Ulstari, on the grindset to this day...
Warhammer Fantasy called, it wants Sigmar back.
All I can think of when the "sigma-grindset" is brought up, is when a guy admitted to not wiping after pooping because he was "always on the grind."
@@Levi-rk6pv "My underwear is part of the grindset now."
@@Levi-rk6pv Sigmas can't waste time wiping their ass. The grind never stops
Sigmalia, the one and only female primarch, twin sister of Alpharius and Omegan, and had surgery to look exactly like her bros and smoked for twelve years in the warp to sound like them. No one knows why she did that last one except Alpharius.
"You roll a six and any vehicle explodes"
So you're telling me that Chaos has Space Slavs, Space Egyptians, Space Catholics and now the Space IRA in the Alpha legion?
Who are the slavs and the catholics?
@@LegendaryCollektor Night lords and the word bearers
COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN
Are space IRA not also space Catholics?
@@allthebanter9316 In this instance he's talking about the Word Bearers which I think fits better
The recent Horus Heresy 2.0 has made Alpha Legion the ultimate troll army. Their army wide ability is that whenever you want to shoot, charge or do a reaction to an Alpha Legion unit they count as being 2" farther away than they actually are. That means if night fighting is active they can stand at 23" away and shoot but you can't shoot back, if they are more than 10" away you cannot charge them and most reactions require the reacting unit to be within 12" and there are some pretty powerful reactions that let you shoot, charge, give everyone a cover save, make one dude into a sacrifice that just absorbs all the shots etc. meaning you can deny a lot of defensive power with careful positioning. I'm expecting to see a big explosion in HH Alpha Legion players in the near future.
Well that and Exodus and Armillus Dynat exist.
Wait what, time to play Horus heresy, I just thought how aplharous rule of he just turns up when you want him to replace a random legionnaire with him
Also, Alpharius is the only Primarch without the Loyalist or Traitor keywords, meaning he can fight for either side. I also love that they have a "Loyalist" warlord trait where you have to bring an allied detachment, and if you get them all killed you get a victory point (and they don't count for kill points either).
@@alexgarrett4673 You can even (sort of) copy the Blood Angels RoW "Day of Sorrows" using the "Coils of the Hydra" to bring 3 units of Crimson Paladins to be the dudes deployed on the board. That said I'm gonna use that to bring a fill strength unit of Deathsworn complete with a Caster of Runes and Chooser of the Slain to mirror-match my brother's Space Wolves AND take a Black Watch Pack as the allied detachment. Do you think he'd disown me if I brought Exodus too?
Some legion praetor fighting Dynat, having only take a wound or two from the Prince. "Oh thank goodness, finally the round is over and I survived" gets SHMACKED with an extra hit from the Prophet. Dies. Armillus Dynat. Gigachad.
"We are alpharius, you cannot win"
"We are sanguinius"
Serpent starts sweating nervously
You say you’re alpharius and people think you’re cool
I say I’m sanguinius and I’m thrown in a death company
Nah man. They start sweating when the Blood Angels ask if they’re Horus
@@ralphize5153 off to the space Hulk you go.〜(꒪꒳꒪)〜
@@ralphize5153 We live in a society
"I am Alpharius"
*Blood Angel kicks in the door*
DID YOU SAY HORUS!? RAAAAAAGH!
"The voice actor sounds so familiar!" It's Scott McNeil, he was the original voice of Piccolo in the first Dragon Ball Z dub (before Funimation's in-house studio took over) and has done a TON of voice acting all over the place.
The balls are inert.
he was also Duo Maxwell in Gundam Wing, Koga in Inuyasha, and 1/3 the cast of Beast Wars
Scott McNeill, MIGHTY IS HE!
His voice acting work is so much fun. He's very good, but just cannot take some of the stuff seriously and the results are amazing, especially in the Warhammer games.
Anyone associated with 40k who has the last name "McNeil" is pure awesome. Change my mind.
Watching Piccolo power up and realising that Scott McNeil would be borderline passing out/ blowing out his throat afterwards gave me a new level of respect for voice actors.
" I have never seen the alpha legion played on the tabletop" that's how you know they are a good alpha legion player
a funny point for the alpha legion is that a good sized chunk of the legion was lead by........ a shard of the Deceiver disguised as what they all thought was Omegon and near the galactic core were slowly building anti warp pylons
from The Sons of the Hydra novel
Actually the deceiver was just alpharius
Alpha Legion is extremely popular in 30k because they dont try to force Chaos themes on them, especially when it makes no sense giving the history and tactics of the legion.
Heres the plan to make them cooler in 40k: Get rid of all the Daemon engines, let them steal the cool new toys of loyalists like Primaris marines and repulser tanks, Let them take Imperial allied detachments who they deceived and used as meat shields, let them plant explosives before the battle that their opponents trip over, let them use the opponents units to shoot on each other because they sprung a trap or have agents within, give them sniper and scout characters to pick off named characters, let them be impossible to decapitate and have whole HQ units count as warlords, Let them infiltrate and scout or force your opponent to deploy in ways they dont want to...
Hey wait, they already do some of these... Though yeah, they should get some kind of area denial when the opponent sets up. Like, a 4-5" radius of "no-go zone" somewhere in their deployment area. That would be cool. The problem with hidden explosives on the terrain is that it would have to be assigned retroactively; otherwise it wouldn't be hidden; but at that point, it's basically just a fancy artillery strike or something. Still, what they have now is pretty cool too.
Imagine they just call up Cawl and Bobby and just ask for Primaris and get them.
@@samuelevans738a good way to implement hidden explosives would be toassign a number to the terrain pieces, and then write down some of the numbers on a piace of paper beforehand. When an enemy steps on the trap, the AL player turns the card over to show it was mined
finally a loyal traitor Legion
Or a traitor loyal legion
@@satitlertritsumpun8930 That would be the Dark Angels
There's a fairly common fan theory that though the majority of the Alpha Legion turned traitor, they're unwittingly doing the work of loyalists. The fan theory goes that Alpharius turned traitor, but Omegon stayed loyal(maybe it's the other way around, maybe it's both, maybe it's neither). After Alpharius was killed at the Battle of Pluto by Rogal Dorn, Omegon took full command of the legion and began secretly waging war on the traitors.
Many people point to the Alpha Legion's actions on Vraks and other battles where they intentionally drew the attention of the Imperium to crush an out of control cult or other chaotic shenaniganeries or separatists in position to cause a whole lot of damage that the vast nightmare bureaucracy of the Imperium would normally be sluggish to respond to, or even skip over entirely.
Vraks was a high value world, so just by being there they forced the imperium to take vraks seriously
There was also an instance where the Alpha Legion and another choas group (I think it was Emperor's Children, but I forget) were after this one psyker. Celestine also got involved, even handing the psyjer over to the Alpha Legion says that the psyker would be safe with them.
So it definitely sounds like a few war bands are 100% still loyal to the Imperium.
Most Alpha Legion fans don't take the book where Alpharius is killed by Rogal Dorn as canon, because John French is a shithead.
@@Gustav_Kurigatbf it could be cannon, either way, there would still be a primarch left lol
Everyone misses that fact that I think there's a good mix of loyal and non loyal Legonaires, almost 50/50 they're all about black ops and espionage a solid amount if their agents may have been soo deep in may have been completely unaware of which side they were on in the heresy
Am I a double double double agent or a double double double double agent?
I'm happy you guys did a full episode on the Alpha Legion. My favorite Space Marine chapter because they use so many real world equivalents in how they operate but of course like anything in 40K is racked up to 20. Hydra Dominatus.
Good spymasters are worth their weight in platinum.
Then there's Pinkerton, who you'd have to pay someone to take.
How to play alphalegion:
Bring atmost 5 of every unit for every faction
Eg: ultramarines
If fighting against ultramarines put 5 ultramarines in ur army
Make an army for every faction, use alpha legion ruleset regardless of the models involved
I actually do this because I bought a really well painted blood angels predator and would feel really bad about repainting it
I always put it down first so people look at it and go "oh he plays blood angels prepare for melee" to be met then with my lord and his champion
I think that in the new horus heresy game, alpha legion has a rite of war where it can take 3 units from a different faction.
So yer telling me, Alpha Legion is "almost" as Swiss Army Knife as the Tyranids?
Paint an entire Primaris SM army as Alpha Legion.
Before the game, announce what Loyalist chapter you are using.
Proceed to play game as normal, using the rules of the chapter you picked.
My guess is that the Alpha Legion has only one goal: end the emperium war by any means necessary.
That means dealing with chaos, emperium and xenos at the same time, everything goes. No sacrifice, tragedy nor subterfuge is out of limits.
Why? Malcador and the Emperor were with Alpharius since the beginning. I can see them teaching Alpharius that a tragedy for billions can bring mercy to trillions.
... or is it?
But this comment, like all imperial records lies
@@DaBlueIghuana *laughs in alpharius*
I like to imagine the emperor just knew full well, the Alpha Legion was putting heads in the fridge of the high Lords, and approved of it
Those 4 guardsmen were trained by Sly Marbo.
They may not be as tough or effective as Sly, but those 4 guardsmen have become legends in their own right.
The Alpharius book really made me like the Alpha Legion, they became my favorite 'Traitor' Legion.
Ok so am I the only one who thought that when they found the heads in the freezer the implication is the bodies were sent back and an infiltrator has been feeding the bodies to the high lords and the heads were left as proof.
My question is, how long were those heads in there...
@@lukkaredwolf3534 In the imperium of man there's something called corpse starch wich is food normally for the most poor in the Imperium and it's made of all kinds Of recycled organic matter including human corpses.
@@davidfrancisco3502 oh yeah, I know of that. My implications are that the assassins never left or at least didn't get far, and that all the heads being sent were sn alpha legion psyop
@@lukkaredwolf3534 Which is a really good question. Did they falsify the reports? How would we know?
@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder well, I mean, I would assume in the 40th millennium that they could know a rough T.O.D. for something like that by examining the remains, but I'm certain that the inquisition wouldn't like the answer to that little question.
Remember Kids! Never forget your METAL BAWKES!
But my view of the Legion is that there is a warband loyal to Omegon(who is the alive one) who are still loyal to the Imperium while the rest are fooled to help the Imperium or are independent of the Legion as a whole and are doing their own thing while Omegon leads his Omega Legion to help the Imperium from the shadows.
I feel like a lot of the Alpha Legion are legit traitors, but Alpharius Omegon is using them in his overall scheme to help the Emperor without their knowledge.
@@TheShmileyDawg That's my theory, most are traitor but being used or are independent while like a thousand are still following Omegon directly and are loyal to him.
If the loyalist is the one who is still alive, then it must be Alpharius. He is the one who grew up on Terra.
@@heathenpride7931 omegon grew up on Terra
Also I believe Omegon is Cypher
"First Heretic- Its about Logar..."
Argel Tal "....... Is it really?"
Broke: it's about Lorgar
Woke: it's about one Legion fall to Chaos
Based: it's a tragic story about Argel Tal, all above is just a setting for it
I have a theory about the alpha legion, they are just the ultimate shit posters, the seem to serve all the chaos gods simultaniously except nurgle, their schemes serve Tzentch, their prepetuation of war through playing both sides serves Khorn, their upsurd level of mind whiping and declaring they are all Alpharius serves slaanesh, and why don't they serve Nurgle, just to mess with you so you can't call them chaos undivided
Well they did poison all those crops that time…
@@HistoritorJimaldus once, which again just makes it more alpha legion shitposting
The declaring themselves as all being Alpharius is a Tzentch thing. It is a plan of disinformation that leads to raw chaos in the enemy's information network.
Slaanesh is about over loading on emotion. Which means you cannot plan, you cannot be 'under cover', no spying, no disinformation...you are too high for any of that. A Khornite Berserker has more in common with Slaanesh then an Alpha Legion member.
Virus bombing a planet and infecting crops into sludge pretty much pleases Nurgle. But even if they are not into chaos, they are still shady AF. If the Inquisition is the FBI and NSA of the Imperium, Alpha Legion is the CIA.
They 'infect' you with paranoia.
I often like to imagine that anytime GamesWorkshop retcons something, it's just the Imperium finally fixing files that alpha legion recruits changed just to prove themselves.
I am so shocked they didn't include the Alpha Legion guy who got hunted by Asdrubale Vect from the Drukhari.
Given it's such easy meme fodder I'm surprised they missed that Alpha Legion love dressing up as Ultramarines for false flag operations and general dickery.
Not gonna lie, it kinda feels like they didn't even put much effort into this one.
@@refurbishedtechpriest9076 I feel that. But based on time, it makes sense that they kept it at almost an hour.
@@stryke-jn3kv not to mention DK would get a kick out of the fact that the AL love to meme on his least favorite Loyalist chapter
"A harrowing is coming, but first let's maim them!" - Armillus Dynat, Horus Heresy: Legions
Do you like surprises? Hope is a mistake.
"Nice Try!" - also, Armillus Dynat, Horus Heresy: Legions
The Horus Heresy: Legions voice acting is on POINT
@@bassal_the_rotten7645 We meet at last, on My terms! *Alpharius, right before playing 'The Harrowing' when your opponent has a full hand*
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 except the poor imperial fist warlord who greets opponents with the 40k tagline 'In the faaaar future, there will be only war'
Cause thats really something Id say to my opponent as an introduction.
This is a lie.
“Not a lot of people collect alpha legion”
Me painting my new HH alpha legion army and an alpha legion CSM army on the shelf: :(
Yea but those that do, collect alot of Alpha Legion.
Proof?
I am Alpharius.
@@gabrielpardo4229 *whispers* Hydra Dominatus.
The ghost legion part of the alpharius book was my favorite, the way he interacted with his sons and discussed about missions was so cool to me, also recognizing names like dynat, ingo pesh and skroll made me genuinly happy
At some point bricky needs to stream him and dk watching all of emperor tts
Meant to say DK damn autocorrect
I'd be happy with DOW trilogy, all races let's play .. fuck it, I'd sign up to patreon for that
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The Alpha Legion are a blank check to justify any battle on the tabletop you want.
Why is this regiment of Guard attacking another? Because their commander is an Alpha Legion agent.
Why are these Ultramarines fighting this other group of Ultramarines? Because one of them is actually Alpha Legion in disguise, perfectly replicating their fighting tactics.
Etc, etc.
Exodus was an agent similar to Phocron during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, said to the best sniper in all the Legiones Astartes. Whether it was actually one person or a small group of talented marksmen, of course, we don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t mind him/them popping back up in 40K.
Alpha Legion needs a little diversity for sure.
Alpharius Omegon is a little guy among his brothers.
Legion was one of my favourite books in the Horus Heresy series. Didn’t like it at first but by the end it’s in my Top 5 (so far). Big up Bronzi and Peto
Almost broke into tears when I saw my bois in blue and green
I'm so mad GW forces you to buy the premium Faith and Fury book in order to learn an Alpha Legion warband created a ritual to turn Imperial citizens into psykers capable of creating physical manifestations of the Emporer. And then violently exploding.
30:00 - Maybe someone in the Asassinorum knows the Alpha Legion is loyalist, and faked the death of their own assassins to make it seem like the legion is with Chaos and is causing fuckery to bolster their cover...or maybe not. Crikey.
Btw is the rule of thumb to call alpharius alpharius before he found his twin and to call him omegon after he found omegon and they swapped names making omegon alpharius and alpharius omegon.
Also I could see the psychers all having the same dream being due to one sleeper psycher starting the vision wich other psychers detected, creating a stronger impact on the warp thus causing a sort of chain reaction.
At this point i have given up trying to make sense. It's just pointless
The names are pretty much interchangeable, as were the twins. Some tried to keep track by using Alpharius Omegon and Omegon Alpharius to represent when they switched. But since no-one knows how many times they switched or when that was it's still down to using a coin flip or eenie meanie miny mo to figure it out... 😉
Schroedinger’s Primarch, he’s simultaneously one twin and the other at the same time
Love the Alpha Legion lore and how open they are to interpretation. The armor color is so cool as well even though they have never been super powerful on the tabletop they would one of the worst to fight as a Guardsmen on a planet.
NGL and off topic I just love the Chaos Lord's in the Dawn Of War games.
DOW 1: Lord Bale ("SINDRI!!!!")
DOW 1.2 Winter Assault: Lord Crull (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!)
DOW 1.3 Dark Crusade: *Lord Eliphas The Inheritor* ("Chaos calls for your destruction!")
DOW 1.4 SoulStorm: Lord Carron ("METAL BAWKES!")
The Long Games at Charcharias is such a good story. surprised that alpharius "dying" to guilliman wasn't brought up.
Because its pretty much the same kinda story as Pluto, Alpha Legion tricks the ennemy, ennemy push through and is winning anyway, Primarch duel, initial upper hand to the traitor, ultimate winner the Imperium, except Alpha Legion doesnt react as expected and punish the ennemy enough to escape successfully and hide
Its tactical vs strategic. Its like the comparison of waiting to ambush a supply convoy crossing the bridge vs destroying the bridge.
Just started my first army and it was the Alpharius podcast episode that made choice the alpha legion as my first army.
Metal boxes on the hillside,
Metal boxes made of ticky tacky,
Metal boxes on the hillside,
Metal boxes all the same
There's a green one and a purple one
And a red one and black one with yellow edges...
Also they're the 20th legion because that makes them the XX - the _double cross_ legion.
DK getting confused by the quotes and thinking they had already talked about Alpha Legion is lore accurate
Fabulous Billy needs a episode for sure. Love the alpha legion you guys knocked this episode out of the park
"Wait, it was the Alpha Legion?"
"Always has been."
*Shoots the first guy in the back*
“Why, I’m Alpharius.”
“What kind of fool do you take me for? He’s Alpharius, He’s Alpharius, you’re Alpharius, I’m Alpharius!! Are there any other Alpharius’s I should know about?!”
“I am Alpharius.”
“…I’m out of here.”
It's been a long while since I've played 40k but I've kept up with the game periodically - I love the presentation of the codices and battle reports are fun long form videos - and the Alpha Legion had two fairly recent editions where they were powerful (for CSM). There was the edition where you could essentially field infinite cultists and the one where you got enough minus to hit buffs that you could run Lord Discordants directly up the table turn 1 without getting them shot to pieces. They were especially good at objective battles. It was *really* fucking hard for your opponent to score from killing your warlord.
It probably couldn't top any metas but you could absolutely clean up at your local game stores with decent play on your part. It's a shame Bricky never got to play against them.
Favorite faction in 40k. Love the fluff (they did a bit more than that in the Heresy, Bricky), crunch, and aesthetic. They really lend themselves to the Your Dudes aspect of the game.
Can’t wait for the alpha legion poster.
Shame that the Harrowmaster book only recently came out, it would have added a lot to this episode
The Alpha Legions lore is much like they are themselves in universe. A lot of conflicting stories and various theories between the people in the know. The only "real" depictions we have seen of the alpha legion are the cases of short stories and full novels where they get a pov. Like the primarch book or the Shroud of night novel.
For example we know now that Alpharius was tought by Malcador, who founded and led the Officio Assassinorum. So it is easy to look for connections there.
Another one is that because of the whole switcheroo we saw happen in the Primarch book, the running theory is that it was Omegon who died (or maybe didn't) to Dorn. Following that because Alpharius was raised in the Imperium and omegon wasn't there is the Idea that they where each leaning towards the opposite sides.
In the end who the fuck knows
It's not unreasonable to assume that one of the twins is alive (most likely Alpharius). And that there might me a bigger part of the legion still united but duping everyone . While there are scatterd warbands who follow whoever is more convenient at that moment.
I suspect Bricky knows a lot of people who own Alpha legion armies. They're just still under cover.
Alpha to Omega, the Hydra awakes.
Big E gets resurrected, and his first words are "I am Alpharius"
36:00 Bricky should have just said "They poisoned the watering hole!"
*guardsman at the gate *
its a space marine!
open the gate!
its not a loyalist!
close the gate!
its not a traitor either!
open the gate a little!
i know that this is a very elaborate meme but frick it
Understanding the alpha legion is like the game where you got to find the ball under the right cup while they move around but there are 3 ball instead of one 😂
"We do a little trolling" -Alpharius probably
oh fun fact about the alpha legion their hydra has THREE heads.
Tonite in Ridiculous Gear: Shy Is Disgusted, DK summons Jesus and Bricky becomes Alpharius
BRIIICKYYY!!!
So if a hydra has three heads, couldn't there be a third alpha legion leader?
Huh no mention of Vraks or that the Emperor through Celestine basically gave some Alpha Legion guys a mini Astronamicon?
Kassar is a bad ass in Shroud of Night.
There's also Occam the Untrue.
And Arkos the Faithless.
Then there's also failsauce like Kernax Voldorius.
Shy, you did the guys a disservice. You should have given them the poll results from Warhammer Community where the Alpha Legion got the most votes out of all the Traitor Legions (even got into the top 4 out of all the legions).
The results mysteriously disappeared after an 8-feet new guy walked into the studio. B)
This whole legion is me, getting the role of Shapeshifter on Among Us and killing my friend, copying their identity, and then immediately getting caught red handed by the other friend. While standing in front of the corpse. I managed to shift the blame in the end. Hydra Dominatus indeed.
When you are Alpha and Omega. Is there anyone above you to answer to? Is the so called "God" Emperor above you? Or are you above him? You hold all the answers and the all questions. Do you bow before the false Emperor? Or do you slay him? Riddles on top of questions. On top of more tricks of the mind. What is the truth? When it is all a lie. *smile*
I am Alpharus. Hydra Dominatus
Of course bricky springs the video on my favorite legion the day i had to stay late at work.
“Shy, smack his nuts”
*Crash*
I die laughing.
Would’ve loved it if they introduced themselves as Alpharius
Alpharius wasn’t a Primarch. He was just a little guy.
he's just a little guy
He's just a little guy.
they are such a cool and unique legion, it's a little shame that the fluff doesn't quite translate onto the tabletop. For example, the range of miniatures heavily caters to that full on demon possession/warp mutation aesthetic which doesn't really suit them. I like a lot of the new rules they got but I feel like more could have been done there.
i can't believe that across 2 episodes there hasn't been an out-loud comparison to the CIA
the alpha legion is literally imperial version of the CIA
Oh boi, another legion episode! I can't wait for the Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children episode! Then they should do the Sanguinius and the Blood Angels episode next! (Reset the clock! Reset it until they have nothing left to talk about!)
Please daddies Bricky, DK, and mommy Shy please do a Fulgrim episode. Y'all mention him in every episode yet he has not had one of his own.
Alpha Legion is a bit odd for people making an army of them. Unlike all other CSM, they aren't super corrupted like the standard CSM kit marines are, and so you have to do quite a bit of kitbashing unless you want to use straight loyalist models and just paint them blue turquoise.
My favorite thing about them is you can make a fluffy list for AL that could either be loyalist, CSM, or even guard.
So what if Alpharious and Omegon were actually replaced by the 2 "lost" primarchs and the real Alpharious and Omegon are were lost.
I was wonder when the Alpha Legion would be covered. Can’t wait to hear it.
I realize that’s something an Alpharius would say.
Hydra's teeth sounds like it should be an enter the gungeon weapon that gives you like 4 levels of curse.
If The Joker lived in 40k im sure he would be Alpha Legion now.
51:33 rolling the ABSOLUTE bare minimum for deception and hamming the hell up to act EXTRA convincing