Fun Fact for the people who don’t play Total War Warhammer: The Greenskins don’t have a research tree like the rest of the races, instead they have a “Big thinkin’ “ tree which has has glorious new innovative ways to fight like “pointier rockz” “sharper stabbas” and “Trollin’ “
Trollin', trollin', trollin' Trollin', trollin', trollin' Squig hide! Keep trollin', trollin', trollin' Though the eyes are swoull‘n Keep them squiggoths rollin' Squig hide! Through dwarfs and elves and weatha Waagh-bound togetha Wishing mah git was by my side All the things oi’s missin', good krumps, kicks and fistin‘ Are waitin' at the end of my ride.
I think its important for bricky to know that Skarsnik survived the end of the universe because the actual real life writers of the end times forgot he existed
As a big Skarsnik fan I can't decide if I hate that da warlord of Eight Peaks was disrespected like that, or if I'm happy because it's probably better than what they would've done with him..
It might be a bit too early to plan, but a Realm of Ridicolous special dedicated to BLOODBOWL for the Superbowl weekend could be the most beautiful thing ever ‘innit?
The single being with the most entries in the Dammaz Kron (The Great Book of Grudges) is a night goblin warlord named Skarsnik, Lord of the Eight Peaks. Considering Cazador II, the Phoenix King during the War of the Beard, had a about 437, one can only imagine how many Dwarfs had lost their beards trying to exact vengeance on the cunning little git.
I heard that Grom didn't choose to eat the troll flesh; he was forced to by orcs as part of an eating contest called "The Battle of the Bulge" where they see how long before a goblin's belly goes pop.
Yeah your right, It was pretty much a way to pass the time and a laugh for the orcs, watching the Gobos struggle as they bloat and explode from the troll meat, Though I believe it was called "The Battle of the Belly"
there are multiple stories about it, but in all versions the week long battle between Groms stomach and the troll meat was called the battle of the belly
orcs do get smarter as they age, some orcs when not waaaghing even create settlements where those brave enough could potentially even trade with them, these "squatter kings" are ancient, powerful and dangerous, i reccomend the Lorebeards stream on Black Crag to find out more about them cause its really interesting
To answer the question "What stops Grimgor?"... Boredom. Boredom has saved more people from Grimgor than anything else. As seen in the fight with Clan Moulder, Grimgor will eventually either lose satisfaction with the fight, or feel like he has gotten the most from it he can. He's kind of notorious for just leaving in the middle of a WAAAGH, and it falls apart without him because he's just no longer interested. Grimgor is not just looking for combat, he wants more than just to fight. He is actually very Slayed-coded in that his dream is to find something that can actually kill him, as that will be the best fight. And the result is he just gets tired of fighting weaker foes, and so goes off in search of a better fight.
And because Orcs get bigger and stronger with every fight, Black Orcs especially, there's not much that can take down Grimgor He's as big as a troll, and about twice as deadly
Black orcs are smart enough to collect dwarf steel from the dead and build their own makeshift foundries in camp to melt dwarf steel down and reforge them into custom black orc armor and weapons.
I definitely feel like his orc is better now too I don’t know if it’s more confidence or practice but I think he could voice a background ork and it wouldn’t break my immersion
quick note on the lore, we can thank the chaos dwarfs for the existence of orc blacksmiths, they taught some of their orc "laborers" to do it, and after the revolution, guess where that lot went to? Had sigmar and the dwarfs not held the line at Blackfire pass all of lands beyond the mountains would've fallen
It's not just that they taught orcs how to smith, they made an entirely new breed of orc in the black orcs. The black orcs were more patient and disciplined than their paler skinned cousins, which the Chaos Dwarfs thought would make them better slaves. It turns out that, while they were more disciplined, they were NOT more obedient, and so they used their patience and discipline to organize a revolt under the noses of their masters. It failed thanks to a last minute betrayal by the hobgoblins, but a bunch of black orcs managed to escape regardless and integrate their strain into the wider orc population. It's these black orcs that are capable of smithing thanks to the unique traits given to them by the Chaos Dwarfs.
@@screamingcactus1753not only more patient and disciplined, just straight-up smarter than regular orcs too. Black Orcs can make fairly complex battle strategies and follow them through. The only normal Orc to use complex strategy is Gorbad Ironclaw, who's Orc Sun Tzu
One of the scariest things about Grom is the fact that since he was from a wolfrider tribe he wasn't a siegeloving guy, this made his WAAAAAGH atypical since orc led waaaaaghs will often try to besiege a place and fall to infighting, Grom however being a goblin didn't have the patience for this and he just moved on, he didn't do sieges, some parts of his waaaagh still split of and did sieges but Grom would not keep up a siege. This meant that grom's waaaaagh would last DECADES! he was genuinely one of the most succesful warbosses ever, the empire due to Dieter not even warning the elector counts or summonning the armies, got steamrolled, they weren't ready to split up the horde (which you have to do if you don't want to get overrun when fighting a WAAAAgh!) another factor was that the high king, enraged by dieters refusal to help his people make a stand against the greenskins forbade all kings from aiding the empire until dieter was dead, the priesthood of sigmar, who see the dwarfs as important in their religion were furious at the emperor. Grom's WAAAAAGH! also killed of the largest population of Gnomes left in the old world and in his wake he also left multiple goblin tribes which still plague the empire to this day
@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 there were until grom showed up (is the joking answer) the truth is that Gnomes were in warhammer in the first editions, then vanished, they were never fully retconned but almost never mentioned, then in later editions a writer Andy Law found out there was a gnome in a warhammer fantasy roleplay adventure they were making and asked GW whether they should say it was a halfling or whether they should flesh out what gnomes were, GW chose the last option and so Andy Law began writing. When, he rewrote their lore he wanted to include a reason for why gnomes didn't seem to feature prominently in the army books and lore, he chose as the reasons two things that arrived in the same edition that "wiped out" the gnomes, the high elves and grom the paunch. Gnomes were pictured as having a tradition of magic focussed on illusion and on dark magic (which is inherently corruptive), he wrote in the lore that when Teclis the elven wizard established the colleges of magic and its laws gnomes and their magic became distrusted, and that Grom the Paunch durinf his grand tour of the old world destroyed their largest stronghold
How could DK forget Grimgors biggest achievement, that GW retconned? Shouting at the Lord of the Endtimes profanities, kicking his balls in and headbutting him to the ground and leaving without elaborating during Storm of Chaos.
Maybie he's saving it for later when they talk about chaos or the end times. Knowing that Grimgor kicked Archeon in the jewls is a lot less awe-inspering not knowing how importaint the title of everchosen actualy is
@@iguanaking1361Just say it is the equivalent of if Ghaz showed up and stomped Abaddon flat right when it looked like he was about to conquer Cadia during the 13th Crusade.
To give context to just how bad winters in Kislev are, the Warriors of Chaos tend to march through Kislev on their way to fight the empire. Most of their armies will just die from the cold and be at a fraction of their strength by the time they make it past Kislev. And as a reminder, the Warriors of Chaos tend to march SOUTH out of the Chaos Wastes near the North Pole, down through Norsca, and then hit Kislev. Now granted they're also FIGHTING the people of Kislev on their way through, and the Ice Witches tend to make things as uncomfortable as possible for the Warriors of Chaos, but it really says a lot that they're dying of exposure while marching SOUTH towards the warmer parts of the world. In short? Kislev is *COLDER THAN HELL.* And yet people somehow manage to live there, where the only season that isn't Super Winter is just regular Winter.
Fun fact that big stick is actually the most advanced weapon the savage orcs have ever developed, it’s called the Big Stabba which is used to kill large enemies and prey.
Ok, Grom was actually made to eat the troll meat by orcs bullying him, as gobbos would basically explode after eating it, but somehow he digrsted it and it composed into his organism, and thus he started to grow thamks to its regenerative power
Probably the thing I like most about Fantasy Greenskins is that both Orcs AND Goblins get to share the spotlight. Specifically, I love the bigger presence Goblins have in greenskin society and warfare. They're definitely still weaker to Orcs but can play to their smarter/manipulative ways enough for them to elevate themselves into becoming powerful Shamans and Warbosses in their own right (imagine that, a puny Goblin bossin' Orcs around). In this setting, its the Goblins that perfectly represent Mork's cunningly brutal side of the coin. You can have entire tribes comprised solely of Goblins and have them still be an actual, legit threat and thats sick! It just makes me sad for their 40k counterparts, the Grots/Gretchin and how much of a backseat they've taken there. Like aside from the one example of Da Red Gobbo and his Grot Rebellion, they've lost a lot of their independence and exist only to be servants to Orks.
Snaggi Littletoof from the Warboss and Big Dakka books has real potential to become a significant Grotboss if handled well, it would be awesome if something happened with him but knowing 40k lore I doubt cool things are even allowed to happen. Da Red Gobbo is kind of just a christmas mascot now its really depressing for Gobbo fans.
Yeah, Goblins being a full equal (well, perhaps not completely equal) part of the setting rather than just set dressing for the Or(c/k)s definitly is an advantage Fantasy has over 40K.
I've found that Fantasy as a whole is far more nuanced and better written than 40k. Each faction has a lot more depth, and while they may not all be as active in the world, you dont have one completely overshadowing the others like the Imperium and Space Marines do in 40k.
Hearing the description for "sneaky distraction" all I can think is them jumping back and forth and going "Uh-buh! Uh-bububuh! Mu-duh! Mu-bu-duh! Ooooooh!" in a Courage the Cowardly Dog voice
Here’s some advice when dealing with orkz… If your confused at any point; stop what your doing, walk into your bathroom, look in your mirror, and say “Orkz” until you get it.
Just a reminder that Ghaz needed to lose half he brain and go on multiple WAAAGHs to be chosen by the Gork and Mork. Grimgor Azhag, Warzag, and Skarsnik just got without even trying.
You know how in Shadow of Mordor most of the bosses are all "HOOOOOMAN! YOO DIE" But sometimes you'll lock blades with this sneering bastard with a super deep, smooth creepy voice and he'll be all "I remember you scum, keep coming back and I'll kill you again and again!" That's black orcs.
The OG story (storms of chaos i think?) Had Grimgor halting the end of the world by kicking Archaon in the nuts. So, yeah. Technically nobody could realistically stand against the big green menace.
I know why DK didn't share this - but I admit I am a little disappointment that he didn't mention that Grimgor won GW's first attempt at the End Times. By coming out of nowhere, headbutting the hell out of Archaon and then just buggering off.
1:03:21 if I’m not mistaken it’s a favorite pass time for ORKZ to force feed goblins troll meat… which regrows in their stomachs and laugh as the goblins swell and literally burst like a balloon. And that’s what they tried doing to him…. Except he didn’t burst, and the troll meat literally gave paunch the healing factor of a troll… so all that troll meat that is growing in him grew his size… I believe it’s passed since then, but he still keeps eating.
Honestly I feel like the whole "weather beating the greenskins" thing making a decent amount of sense if you see the greenskins as a force of nature rather then an opposing army. It makes sense that the only thing that can really beat back a force of nature is an even greater force of nature.
The Total War Warhammer 2 trailer for the Warden and the Paunch is an awesome visual intro into Grom and the goblins, as well as a bit of Eltharion the High Elf Batman.😅
For anyone wondering why the Slayers didn't just throw themselves at Grimgor, part of the Slayer Oath is that they must sell their lives as dearly as possible and NOT do so at the expense of another dwarf's life or honor. So, if the Slayer's can just turtle up behind the wall and wait until Grimgor leaves, they have to do that, otherwise they would not be dying a worthy death in combat, they'd just be committing suicide by Orc, and their death wouldn't absolve them of their dishonor, so their spirits would be stuck in limbo and forever denied entry into the afterlife until the day one of their surviving relatives takes the Slayer Oath on their behalf to absolve them of their dishonor. Now if the king or acting commander tells the Slayers he NEEDS them to go out and try and thin the Orc numbers in a counterattack, that's a different story, because they're just following orders, but issuing this order without proper justification or against the counsel of any advisors may be considered dishonorable, so a king or commander will very rarely tell the Slayers to go fight and die outside of a rearguard action where the Slayers are honor bound to hold the enemy at bay for as long as possible.
1:30:08 a thing you gotta know, almost everyone from fantasy is dead in Endtimes with only some wxceptions. A couple of the elves and dark elves are gods now. Sigmar is back. Nagash is also now a god. Lizard men are on the upswing but not the toads.
Read what the entirety of the Stormcasts are. They are the most everyone (human at least) you describe brought back by Sigmar for any heroic deeds against chaos they performed in life, be that as simple as throwing fruit at a khorne demon trying to buy time for soldiers to fight it.
Two things I find especially interesting about Warhammer Fantasy's Greenskins compared to 40K's Orks are that they're a touch more serious because the whole of Fantasy is a touch less, and the Fantasy Goblins get way more love than the 40K Grots. The Grots have some tabletop and lore stuff like the Red Gobbo, but Goblins get major factions. When a Goblin like Skarsnik holds proportionally similar infamy to a major Ork like Ghazghkull, it's safe to say Fantasy's given the little guys their due.
For the part where grimgor was attacking clan moulder they should’ve sent in ghoritch probably the best rat ogre of all and throts masterpiece, ghoritch is a cyborg rat ogre with the brain of a human khorne cultist inside of it.
WAAAAAAAGHS in fantasy have only one weakness most of the time, if you can split up the horde you can make it manageable to fight them or keep them in one place for long enough, in which case infighting will break out
on grimgor, a fun detail, he is kinda a bad leader, let me explain, he is an amazing combattant, but he just fights and doesn't really lead, most of the times he'll be the last one standing together with his immortulz
Yeah, he’s a garbage leader. He’s an excellent combatant, but Vardek Crom fought him to a standstill while his army routed Grimgor’s. He’s definitely no Skarsnik or Gorbad Ironclaw or Morglum Necksnapper, especially considering most of his plans seem to be “Advance on them”.
Honestly, if we are to compare how both setting treated the Greenskins: 40K Did the orks justice while fantasy cooked with the goblins. Meanwhile AOS so far seems to have more or less found a way to balance both of them.
I mean, Fantasy also has a bunch of really cool Orc characters and badass units like Black Orcs and Boar Riders. Orcs in Fantasy are definitly better off than Gretchin/Grots in 40K.
Ah, Grimgor Ironhide. As someone who plays Chorfs in Warhammer 3, you must respect Grimgor and his forces and deal with him ASAP, let’s he snowballs and rock your socks in.
“Say My Name. SAY MY Name!” -Grimgor Ironhide, prophet of Gork 40k has Ghazghull, The Red Gobbo, Makari, and Ufthak. In Fantasy we have Grimgor, Grom Ahzag, and Skarsnik.
Clan Moulder are specialist breeders think of Flesh Crafters making insane monstrosities like the Drukkari. Clan Skryre are the mad scientists that invented the insane machines like Warp Throwers and Rat Gatling gun
One of the reasons everyone in the wh fantasy community hates the end times is that during it over half the world get destroyed by grimgore's waaagh, offscreen...... He does more damage to the world by far than chaos and we don't even get to see it.
For those curious about how Orcs are in Age of Sigmar, it's a bit complicated. For one, they're renamed Orruks (because Copyright). In the jump between Warhammer Fantasy and AoS, there were three factions: the Greenskinz (the main Orcs & Goblins army; don't get attached, they get Legends'd in early 2nd ed), the Ironjawz (expansion of the Black Orcs into a full faction), and the Bonesplittaz (Savage Orcs ported over as-is). Of these, only the Ironjawz survive to the present edition, with the Bonesplittaz being removed as a viable army a few months ago. (Technically, they have interim 4th ed rules, but those are getting sent to Legends summer of next year. RIP.). 3rd ed also saw the introduction of a wholly new "Orruk" faction, in the Kruleboyz. A group of swamp-dwelling, sneaky gitz that break almost completely with the modern Warhammer Orc design language. Looking more like the "realistic" orcs from Tolkien, less cartoony and more like ugly humans. Not everyone liked the aesthetic, leading to the 3rd ed launch box ("Dominion") underselling like mad. You can still find copies of the complete box rattling around on the secondary market for about $100, which is insane for a modern edition launch product. (I picked up the Kruleboyz half of that box for $55 a couple years ago). So the current state of Orcs in AoS is a heavily armored elite faction, and a tactics-heavy tech army. So, Gork and Mork respectively. (For those wanting "Normal" Warhammer Orcs, the old Orcs & Goblins range, minus the Savage Orcs, is back in production with the launch of The Old World. Square-based, as Gorkamorka intended.)
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 Yes. They are what became of the Night Goblin range. It's also where what remains of the spider-riding goblins and the trolls went, along with a whole host of Squigs.
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813Yes, and they’re somehow the most consistently narratively relevant of the lot, and have a bigger range than Kruleboyz (Mork Orruks) and Ironjawz (Gork Orruks) combined.
So, all in favor of DK doing an episode on 'Da Bad Moon' Morrsleib and the funky nonsense that happens when that giant semi-sentient ball of Warpstone decides to get a front row seat to something?
Grimgor was created by the Chaos Dwarfs. He was one of if not the head Orc leading the rebellion that almost brought the Chaos Dwarfs to extinction. Grimgor got his eye torn out by a Chaos Dwarf and he forced them to make his axe. And once completed he christened with their very blood. And there's no level of impressive that is wiping most of Hellpit out. He did something few in the world could on accident and they only lived cause he got bored. If possible I would 100% suggest Pancreusdon'twork or Loremaster of Sotek. Both are fun and incredibly knowlgeable on Warhammer. Pick a topic and you can get a well explained breakdown of it. I'm late to the show but so glad you started doing Fantasy stuff. There's so much fun things to explore and see the similarities and differences to 40k.
Bricky: "Who can actually beat Grimgor?" Archaon the Everchosen of Chaos, Exalted Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse. AKA Fantasy Horus if he won. And even then it was a close fight.
@@capsizemoonz2251 There are many fantasyv lore guys, i've seen his coverage on grom and Lorebeards goes into way more depth. Only reason I bring up TW is AFAIK it's the closest anyone has come to officially resolving that plotline in any way.
You should check out the total war warhammer quest battle speeches, they are really good, especially Azhag. Just avoid Throgg, his adaption isn't that great. "Rememba, dis is a cursed place, da shamans don't loike it, so don't mess wid stuff ya don't understand. If ya summon someting from da void, ya'll have ta deal wid it yurself" -Azhag
Granted Troll regeneration in World of Warcraft is no joke either even if it isn't the most prevalent with its feats, as there is some lore that says that because of the Loa (the gods that the Trolls worship), there was a troll that was able to regrow his whole body from just his head.
1:13:23 Grom stealing the roof of a Temple in Middenheim, particularly without any other casualties, is very odd considering what Middenheim is. Just imagine a city built atop a mountain, with only 4 heavily guarded bridges from neighbouring mountains leading into the city. How did nobody notice Grom?
Grimgor Ironhide will always be the best Greenskin of them all. He's a Black Orc Warboss, leads his own unit of Black Orcs called "Da Immortalz", is a chosen of Gork and Mork, and decked Archaon so hard by kicking him in the nuts and headbutting him, while Archaon was in full chaos armor and helmet. That is why Grimgor iz da best Orc eva'!
The idea that Grimgor won a headbutting competition against Mork is 100% more believable when you consider that he nearly killed this universes equivalent of Horus at the point when Horus fought the emperor. He nearly singlehandedly stopped the End Times, but was foiled when Archaon (said Horus parallel) was forced (yes FORCED) to free the demon in his sword. Just to distract Grimgor and give himself a couple seconds to land a decisive blow and kill Grimgor.
Well if it ain't my favorite show about the old world on the internet! Thanks again for doing fantasy now guys, looking forward to you guys getting to AOS one day
Dueing the end times Grimgor becomes the Elemental Incarnate of Beasts. Which basically means that 1/8th of all magic in the world is going into making Grimgor stronger.
blacks orcs often get weird looks from other normal orcs by the mere fact black orcs take care of their gear, sharpenning their blades fixing their armor, the other orcs think they are wasting time like humies do with their gear
Fun fact about Grimgor in Srorm of Choas (the version of end times that got scrumded from cannon) he kicked Archaon in balls so hard that it saves the world.
Love the video I can’t wait to see more. But I noticed there are two green skins you forgot to mention, the Gnoblars who are with the Ogre Kingdoms and the Hobgoblins who are divided into two groups. Does who joined the Chaos Dwarfs during the rebellion and betrayed their fellow Greenskins who hold a never ending grudge towards them. As a reward the Chaos Dwarfs kept them as slaves but made them Overseers, so they don’t work instead they get to order around the other slaves. Then you have the Hobgoblin Khanate who are basically the Mongols but with Hobgoblins who ride large wolves instead of horses. Their in the Eastern steppe so the Old World Nations like the Empire, Bretonnia etc they don’t interact with them much but the Nations of the Far East like Cathay, Ind and maybe Nippon have to deal with them. Their much more independent and have their own khans , they also sale their services as mercenaries to the Chaos dwarfs but not as slaves.
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I hope ogres are next. :-)
Fun Fact for the people who don’t play Total War Warhammer:
The Greenskins don’t have a research tree like the rest of the races, instead they have a “Big thinkin’ “ tree which has has glorious new innovative ways to fight like “pointier rockz” “sharper stabbas” and “Trollin’ “
They see me trollin‘, they hating
I'm just so Green and fighty.
@Aceshot-uu7yx
Just so green and fighty
That's amazing. God i love this hobby sometimes
Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Squig hide!
Keep trollin', trollin', trollin'
Though the eyes are swoull‘n
Keep them squiggoths rollin'
Squig hide!
Through dwarfs and elves and weatha
Waagh-bound togetha
Wishing mah git was by my side
All the things oi’s missin', good krumps, kicks and fistin‘
Are waitin' at the end of my ride.
I think its important for bricky to know that Skarsnik survived the end of the universe because the actual real life writers of the end times forgot he existed
Such is the most Cunnin' of Mork's plans.
He also became a mini-moon circling the Bad Moon in AoS. He’s just a giant grinning asteroid now for some reason.
Forgot he existed in his own book even.
As a big Skarsnik fan I can't decide if I hate that da warlord of Eight Peaks was disrespected like that, or if I'm happy because it's probably better than what they would've done with him..
It might be a bit too early to plan, but a Realm of Ridicolous special dedicated to BLOODBOWL for the Superbowl weekend could be the most beautiful thing ever ‘innit?
That sounds AMAZING
Yes but we also need a tuska demon killa episode
That sounds fitting
I am in favor of letting us Europeans look in complete confusion at American handegg!
@@probablythedm1669 *Gestures at Rugby*
The single being with the most entries in the Dammaz Kron (The Great Book of Grudges) is a night goblin warlord named Skarsnik, Lord of the Eight Peaks. Considering Cazador II, the Phoenix King during the War of the Beard, had a about 437, one can only imagine how many Dwarfs had lost their beards trying to exact vengeance on the cunning little git.
That grobi had me slayer's anger, and I would like to unleash it
Which is crazy since there are elves that are still around from the War of the Beard/of Vengence
Great book too
The gobbo warlord of 8 peaks does inherit all his predesccors grudges until they are avenged so keep that in mind
That’s like a whole high king worth of blood
I heard that Grom didn't choose to eat the troll flesh; he was forced to by orcs as part of an eating contest called "The Battle of the Bulge" where they see how long before a goblin's belly goes pop.
I wonder if Grom craps out troll meat feces, which also turns into trolls.
Yeah your right, It was pretty much a way to pass the time and a laugh for the orcs, watching the Gobos struggle as they bloat and explode from the troll meat, Though I believe it was called "The Battle of the Belly"
@@Johnnekaiser And miss the obvious joke?
@@nicholaspokorny5058 I didn't miss the joke i just didn't want to acknowledge it...
there are multiple stories about it, but in all versions the week long battle between Groms stomach and the troll meat was called the battle of the belly
orcs do get smarter as they age, some orcs when not waaaghing even create settlements where those brave enough could potentially even trade with them, these "squatter kings" are ancient, powerful and dangerous, i reccomend the Lorebeards stream on Black Crag to find out more about them cause its really interesting
Interesting! Thanks for this!
"That is my dear uncles house!"
"Nah, it ain't. Suattaz rites!"
The ork shakes a corpse above their head as a show of ownership.
Would love to see Andy or Sotek on one of these episodes
To answer the question "What stops Grimgor?"... Boredom. Boredom has saved more people from Grimgor than anything else. As seen in the fight with Clan Moulder, Grimgor will eventually either lose satisfaction with the fight, or feel like he has gotten the most from it he can. He's kind of notorious for just leaving in the middle of a WAAAGH, and it falls apart without him because he's just no longer interested. Grimgor is not just looking for combat, he wants more than just to fight. He is actually very Slayed-coded in that his dream is to find something that can actually kill him, as that will be the best fight. And the result is he just gets tired of fighting weaker foes, and so goes off in search of a better fight.
And because Orcs get bigger and stronger with every fight, Black Orcs especially, there's not much that can take down Grimgor
He's as big as a troll, and about twice as deadly
Black orcs are smart enough to collect dwarf steel from the dead and build their own makeshift foundries in camp to melt dwarf steel down and reforge them into custom black orc armor and weapons.
They sound like the Warhammer Fantasy equivalent of the Uruk-Hai in terms of intellect.
Orky problems require orky solutions
DK's voice acting does not get enough credit. That Goblin voice was right on bruh.
I definitely feel like his orc is better now too I don’t know if it’s more confidence or practice but I think he could voice a background ork and it wouldn’t break my immersion
It was more Australian to the Orks’ British hooligan, I liked it
100% agree the goblin voice was amazing
Like spot on
quick note on the lore, we can thank the chaos dwarfs for the existence of orc blacksmiths, they taught some of their orc "laborers" to do it, and after the revolution, guess where that lot went to? Had sigmar and the dwarfs not held the line at Blackfire pass all of lands beyond the mountains would've fallen
It's not just that they taught orcs how to smith, they made an entirely new breed of orc in the black orcs. The black orcs were more patient and disciplined than their paler skinned cousins, which the Chaos Dwarfs thought would make them better slaves. It turns out that, while they were more disciplined, they were NOT more obedient, and so they used their patience and discipline to organize a revolt under the noses of their masters. It failed thanks to a last minute betrayal by the hobgoblins, but a bunch of black orcs managed to escape regardless and integrate their strain into the wider orc population. It's these black orcs that are capable of smithing thanks to the unique traits given to them by the Chaos Dwarfs.
@@screamingcactus1753not only more patient and disciplined, just straight-up smarter than regular orcs too.
Black Orcs can make fairly complex battle strategies and follow them through. The only normal Orc to use complex strategy is Gorbad Ironclaw, who's Orc Sun Tzu
One of the scariest things about Grom is the fact that since he was from a wolfrider tribe he wasn't a siegeloving guy, this made his WAAAAAGH atypical since orc led waaaaaghs will often try to besiege a place and fall to infighting, Grom however being a goblin didn't have the patience for this and he just moved on, he didn't do sieges, some parts of his waaaagh still split of and did sieges but Grom would not keep up a siege.
This meant that grom's waaaaagh would last DECADES! he was genuinely one of the most succesful warbosses ever, the empire due to Dieter not even warning the elector counts or summonning the armies, got steamrolled, they weren't ready to split up the horde (which you have to do if you don't want to get overrun when fighting a WAAAAgh!) another factor was that the high king, enraged by dieters refusal to help his people make a stand against the greenskins forbade all kings from aiding the empire until dieter was dead, the priesthood of sigmar, who see the dwarfs as important in their religion were furious at the emperor.
Grom's WAAAAAGH! also killed of the largest population of Gnomes left in the old world and in his wake he also left multiple goblin tribes which still plague the empire to this day
Theres gnomes??
@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 there were until grom showed up (is the joking answer)
the truth is that Gnomes were in warhammer in the first editions, then vanished, they were never fully retconned but almost never mentioned, then in later editions a writer Andy Law found out there was a gnome in a warhammer fantasy roleplay adventure they were making and asked GW whether they should say it was a halfling or whether they should flesh out what gnomes were, GW chose the last option and so Andy Law began writing.
When, he rewrote their lore he wanted to include a reason for why gnomes didn't seem to feature prominently in the army books and lore, he chose as the reasons two things that arrived in the same edition that "wiped out" the gnomes, the high elves and grom the paunch.
Gnomes were pictured as having a tradition of magic focussed on illusion and on dark magic (which is inherently corruptive), he wrote in the lore that when Teclis the elven wizard established the colleges of magic and its laws gnomes and their magic became distrusted, and that Grom the Paunch durinf his grand tour of the old world destroyed their largest stronghold
@jefrosiers8880 thank you :)
@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 no problem, I'm always happy to help out with lore questions
How could DK forget Grimgors biggest achievement, that GW retconned? Shouting at the Lord of the Endtimes profanities, kicking his balls in and headbutting him to the ground and leaving without elaborating during Storm of Chaos.
Maybie he's saving it for later when they talk about chaos or the end times.
Knowing that Grimgor kicked Archeon in the jewls is a lot less awe-inspering not knowing how importaint the title of everchosen actualy is
@@iguanaking1361Just say it is the equivalent of if Ghaz showed up and stomped Abaddon flat right when it looked like he was about to conquer Cadia during the 13th Crusade.
Storm of Chaos best and correct timeline.
The 40k equivalent to grimgore is tuska demon killer which we need a episode on
Supposedly it was a reference to headbutting, either ways is fine with me.
To give context to just how bad winters in Kislev are, the Warriors of Chaos tend to march through Kislev on their way to fight the empire.
Most of their armies will just die from the cold and be at a fraction of their strength by the time they make it past Kislev.
And as a reminder, the Warriors of Chaos tend to march SOUTH out of the Chaos Wastes near the North Pole, down through Norsca, and then hit Kislev.
Now granted they're also FIGHTING the people of Kislev on their way through, and the Ice Witches tend to make things as uncomfortable as possible for the Warriors of Chaos, but it really says a lot that they're dying of exposure while marching SOUTH towards the warmer parts of the world.
In short? Kislev is *COLDER THAN HELL.* And yet people somehow manage to live there, where the only season that isn't Super Winter is just regular Winter.
@Brutalyte616 God I love Vodka and scary Slavic women. It's just such a terrible place to live.
"Super Winter is coming."
Fun fact that big stick is actually the most advanced weapon the savage orcs have ever developed, it’s called the Big Stabba which is used to kill large enemies and prey.
Azhag: *brain so smooth the crowns corruption just slides right off*
Ok, Grom was actually made to eat the troll meat by orcs bullying him, as gobbos would basically explode after eating it, but somehow he digrsted it and it composed into his organism, and thus he started to grow thamks to its regenerative power
"ACKTUALLY"
Probably the thing I like most about Fantasy Greenskins is that both Orcs AND Goblins get to share the spotlight. Specifically, I love the bigger presence Goblins have in greenskin society and warfare. They're definitely still weaker to Orcs but can play to their smarter/manipulative ways enough for them to elevate themselves into becoming powerful Shamans and Warbosses in their own right (imagine that, a puny Goblin bossin' Orcs around). In this setting, its the Goblins that perfectly represent Mork's cunningly brutal side of the coin. You can have entire tribes comprised solely of Goblins and have them still be an actual, legit threat and thats sick!
It just makes me sad for their 40k counterparts, the Grots/Gretchin and how much of a backseat they've taken there. Like aside from the one example of Da Red Gobbo and his Grot Rebellion, they've lost a lot of their independence and exist only to be servants to Orks.
Snaggi Littletoof from the Warboss and Big Dakka books has real potential to become a significant Grotboss if handled well, it would be awesome if something happened with him but knowing 40k lore I doubt cool things are even allowed to happen. Da Red Gobbo is kind of just a christmas mascot now its really depressing for Gobbo fans.
Yeah, Goblins being a full equal (well, perhaps not completely equal) part of the setting rather than just set dressing for the Or(c/k)s definitly is an advantage Fantasy has over 40K.
It's real sad that grots are essentially just ork servo skulls
I've found that Fantasy as a whole is far more nuanced and better written than 40k. Each faction has a lot more depth, and while they may not all be as active in the world, you dont have one completely overshadowing the others like the Imperium and Space Marines do in 40k.
Plus, Goblins outnumber Orcs about 2:1
I just notice the God damn cat ears and whiskers on DK's helmet, sneaky sneaky
"Let 'em tell da King. Da east belongs to da Orcs. Da east belongs to Morglum. Da east is green."
-Morglum Necksnapper
Necksnapper has gotta be one of the best titles in warhammer. Idk, Settra probably has atleast one better by sheer probability.
51:52 Not really correct. Skarsnik is not smart for Goblin standarts, he is damn smart in general, way smarter then even most humans.
Hearing the description for "sneaky distraction" all I can think is them jumping back and forth and going "Uh-buh! Uh-bububuh! Mu-duh! Mu-bu-duh! Ooooooh!" in a Courage the Cowardly Dog voice
Here’s some advice when dealing with orkz…
If your confused at any point; stop what your doing, walk into your bathroom, look in your mirror, and say “Orkz” until you get it.
Just a reminder that Ghaz needed to lose half he brain and go on multiple WAAAGHs to be chosen by the Gork and Mork. Grimgor Azhag, Warzag, and Skarsnik just got without even trying.
I just now realized that. Along with the fact the the Ghazghull of Fantasy Battle is Azhag, where Grimgor is the Tuska Daemon killa of Fantasy Battle.
The difference between orc boyz and black orcs is that the boyz fight for fun while black orcs fight to WIN.
Which is very FUN.
You know how in Shadow of Mordor most of the bosses are all "HOOOOOMAN! YOO DIE" But sometimes you'll lock blades with this sneering bastard with a super deep, smooth creepy voice and he'll be all "I remember you scum, keep coming back and I'll kill you again and again!" That's black orcs.
"War is eternal. As inevitable as the grave... The Old World: the rotting corpse within... Some fools think it worth saving.."
The OG story (storms of chaos i think?) Had Grimgor halting the end of the world by kicking Archaon in the nuts. So, yeah. Technically nobody could realistically stand against the big green menace.
Grimgor is the answer to the question: what if Goku was an Orc?
I know why DK didn't share this - but I admit I am a little disappointment that he didn't mention that Grimgor won GW's first attempt at the End Times. By coming out of nowhere, headbutting the hell out of Archaon and then just buggering off.
It might be better saved for a video(s) covering the whole of Storm of Chaos.
They can do Storm of Chaos in a separate video, like they did with the Cadia campaign they went over with Kirioth in Ad Ric
1:03:21 if I’m not mistaken it’s a favorite pass time for ORKZ to force feed goblins troll meat… which regrows in their stomachs and laugh as the goblins swell and literally burst like a balloon.
And that’s what they tried doing to him…. Except he didn’t burst, and the troll meat literally gave paunch the healing factor of a troll… so all that troll meat that is growing in him grew his size… I believe it’s passed since then, but he still keeps eating.
They seriously need a new Grom the Paunch model. Imagine a Goblin who grew big and strong enough to bully Black Orcs around successfully
Grimgor Ironhide is one of the strongest characters in Warhammer. He kicked Archaon the Everchosen in the nuts lol.
Not to ruin the mood but I'm pretty sure grim just headbutted him
Why not both? The one-two sack attack head smack is a way funnier image.
Honestly I feel like the whole "weather beating the greenskins" thing making a decent amount of sense if you see the greenskins as a force of nature rather then an opposing army. It makes sense that the only thing that can really beat back a force of nature is an even greater force of nature.
The Total War Warhammer 2 trailer for the Warden and the Paunch is an awesome visual intro into Grom and the goblins, as well as a bit of Eltharion the High Elf Batman.😅
For anyone wondering why the Slayers didn't just throw themselves at Grimgor, part of the Slayer Oath is that they must sell their lives as dearly as possible and NOT do so at the expense of another dwarf's life or honor.
So, if the Slayer's can just turtle up behind the wall and wait until Grimgor leaves, they have to do that, otherwise they would not be dying a worthy death in combat, they'd just be committing suicide by Orc, and their death wouldn't absolve them of their dishonor, so their spirits would be stuck in limbo and forever denied entry into the afterlife until the day one of their surviving relatives takes the Slayer Oath on their behalf to absolve them of their dishonor.
Now if the king or acting commander tells the Slayers he NEEDS them to go out and try and thin the Orc numbers in a counterattack, that's a different story, because they're just following orders, but issuing this order without proper justification or against the counsel of any advisors may be considered dishonorable, so a king or commander will very rarely tell the Slayers to go fight and die outside of a rearguard action where the Slayers are honor bound to hold the enemy at bay for as long as possible.
1:30:08 a thing you gotta know, almost everyone from fantasy is dead in Endtimes with only some wxceptions. A couple of the elves and dark elves are gods now. Sigmar is back. Nagash is also now a god. Lizard men are on the upswing but not the toads.
Read what the entirety of the Stormcasts are. They are the most everyone (human at least) you describe brought back by Sigmar for any heroic deeds against chaos they performed in life, be that as simple as throwing fruit at a khorne demon trying to buy time for soldiers to fight it.
Two things I find especially interesting about Warhammer Fantasy's Greenskins compared to 40K's Orks are that they're a touch more serious because the whole of Fantasy is a touch less, and the Fantasy Goblins get way more love than the 40K Grots. The Grots have some tabletop and lore stuff like the Red Gobbo, but Goblins get major factions. When a Goblin like Skarsnik holds proportionally similar infamy to a major Ork like Ghazghkull, it's safe to say Fantasy's given the little guys their due.
For the part where grimgor was attacking clan moulder they should’ve sent in ghoritch probably the best rat ogre of all and throts masterpiece, ghoritch is a cyborg rat ogre with the brain of a human khorne cultist inside of it.
But then we wouldn't have Ghoritch.
@@Aceshot-uu7yxwe don’t know because ghoritch would probably be his equal
@@christophercrossland7475 Can Ghoritch put Archaeon in his place?
@@Aceshot-uu7yxI see your point but still I’d pay money to see that fight
WAAAAAAAGHS in fantasy have only one weakness most of the time, if you can split up the horde you can make it manageable to fight them or keep them in one place for long enough, in which case infighting will break out
on grimgor, a fun detail, he is kinda a bad leader, let me explain, he is an amazing combattant, but he just fights and doesn't really lead, most of the times he'll be the last one standing together with his immortulz
Yeah, he’s a garbage leader. He’s an excellent combatant, but Vardek Crom fought him to a standstill while his army routed Grimgor’s. He’s definitely no Skarsnik or Gorbad Ironclaw or Morglum Necksnapper, especially considering most of his plans seem to be “Advance on them”.
Honestly, if we are to compare how both setting treated the Greenskins:
40K Did the orks justice while fantasy cooked with the goblins.
Meanwhile AOS so far seems to have more or less found a way to balance both of them.
I mean, Fantasy also has a bunch of really cool Orc characters and badass units like Black Orcs and Boar Riders.
Orcs in Fantasy are definitly better off than Gretchin/Grots in 40K.
no wurzzag? *sad orc dancing noises*
KRUMPING IN, KRUMPING OUT!!!
Ork episode for my birthday Is a kind gift
Ah, Grimgor Ironhide. As someone who plays Chorfs in Warhammer 3, you must respect Grimgor and his forces and deal with him ASAP, let’s he snowballs and rock your socks in.
"Kill em with kindness."
- Grimgor Ironhide to slayers with a deathwish
“Say My Name. SAY MY Name!”
-Grimgor Ironhide, prophet of Gork
40k has Ghazghull, The Red Gobbo, Makari, and Ufthak. In Fantasy we have Grimgor, Grom Ahzag, and Skarsnik.
Please don’t stopdoing these. I love them.
DK being a good voice actor for weird voices was not something i expected
the moment Grimgore figures out how jackets work everyone's fucked
Now I can imagine a Black Orc going: "DA KREME OF DA KROP!"
Clan Moulder are specialist breeders think of Flesh Crafters making insane monstrosities like the Drukkari. Clan Skryre are the mad scientists that invented the insane machines like Warp Throwers and Rat Gatling gun
One of the reasons everyone in the wh fantasy community hates the end times is that during it over half the world get destroyed by grimgore's waaagh, offscreen...... He does more damage to the world by far than chaos and we don't even get to see it.
For those curious about how Orcs are in Age of Sigmar, it's a bit complicated. For one, they're renamed Orruks (because Copyright).
In the jump between Warhammer Fantasy and AoS, there were three factions: the Greenskinz (the main Orcs & Goblins army; don't get attached, they get Legends'd in early 2nd ed), the Ironjawz (expansion of the Black Orcs into a full faction), and the Bonesplittaz (Savage Orcs ported over as-is). Of these, only the Ironjawz survive to the present edition, with the Bonesplittaz being removed as a viable army a few months ago. (Technically, they have interim 4th ed rules, but those are getting sent to Legends summer of next year. RIP.).
3rd ed also saw the introduction of a wholly new "Orruk" faction, in the Kruleboyz. A group of swamp-dwelling, sneaky gitz that break almost completely with the modern Warhammer Orc design language. Looking more like the "realistic" orcs from Tolkien, less cartoony and more like ugly humans. Not everyone liked the aesthetic, leading to the 3rd ed launch box ("Dominion") underselling like mad. You can still find copies of the complete box rattling around on the secondary market for about $100, which is insane for a modern edition launch product. (I picked up the Kruleboyz half of that box for $55 a couple years ago).
So the current state of Orcs in AoS is a heavily armored elite faction, and a tactics-heavy tech army. So, Gork and Mork respectively.
(For those wanting "Normal" Warhammer Orcs, the old Orcs & Goblins range, minus the Savage Orcs, is back in production with the launch of The Old World. Square-based, as Gorkamorka intended.)
Isn't there also a dedicated goblin faction known as the gloomspite gits? I've heard some about them and I honestly love their vibe
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 Yes. They are what became of the Night Goblin range. It's also where what remains of the spider-riding goblins and the trolls went, along with a whole host of Squigs.
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813Yes, and they’re somehow the most consistently narratively relevant of the lot, and have a bigger range than Kruleboyz (Mork Orruks) and Ironjawz (Gork Orruks) combined.
WE THE MEANEST AND THE GREENEST! WAAAAAAAAGH!
Azhag the Slaughterer is an orc warlord possessed by a human necromancer.
Arthas from Warcraft is a human warlord possessed by an orc necromancer.
grimgor was too brutal for the slayers to wanna fight him anymore, that is no small feat
Man I fokin love DK narrating ork and goblin stuff.
Well you forgot how grimgor headbudded archaon the everchosen chaos champion and ended this way the endtimes.😂😂😂
So, all in favor of DK doing an episode on 'Da Bad Moon' Morrsleib and the funky nonsense that happens when that giant semi-sentient ball of Warpstone decides to get a front row seat to something?
Grimgor was created by the Chaos Dwarfs. He was one of if not the head Orc leading the rebellion that almost brought the Chaos Dwarfs to extinction. Grimgor got his eye torn out by a Chaos Dwarf and he forced them to make his axe. And once completed he christened with their very blood. And there's no level of impressive that is wiping most of Hellpit out. He did something few in the world could on accident and they only lived cause he got bored.
If possible I would 100% suggest Pancreusdon'twork or Loremaster of Sotek. Both are fun and incredibly knowlgeable on Warhammer. Pick a topic and you can get a well explained breakdown of it.
I'm late to the show but so glad you started doing Fantasy stuff. There's so much fun things to explore and see the similarities and differences to 40k.
Bricky: "Who can actually beat Grimgor?"
Archaon the Everchosen of Chaos, Exalted Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse. AKA Fantasy Horus if he won. And even then it was a close fight.
Where be Wurzag, Da Great Green Prophet? Da bestest dancer in all da Southlands.
Can't believe this video came out the weekend of the Orruk clan announcement!!! 💚 I get they're different, but still cool.
"sneaky dostraction: " LOOK AT THAT, A DISTRACTION!; made me laugh harder then it should off.
tomorrow is gonna be one of the worst days of my life, really happy this video dropped tonight. best part of every week.
@cyleratcliffe5518 are you doing okay? Just a stranger checking in to see if the storm has passed.
Imagining how all the Orcs all just rotmaxx without Goblins
Fun fact
Grom is dead, sadly
Urimensity was killed by the high elfs and his body was shoved into an eternal furnace never to regenerate
During the End Times? Because I thought his fate was intentionally ambiguous?
@Sara3346 nope not end times
@@capsizemoonz2251 From what source then? He's obviously not dead in total war.
@Sara3346 pancreasnowork hes the fantasy lore guy
Also total war aint canon to the actual fantasy timeline as it came after the end times
@@capsizemoonz2251 There are many fantasyv lore guys, i've seen his coverage on grom and Lorebeards goes into way more depth. Only reason I bring up TW is AFAIK it's the closest anyone has come to officially resolving that plotline in any way.
You should check out the total war warhammer quest battle speeches, they are really good, especially Azhag. Just avoid Throgg, his adaption isn't that great.
"Rememba, dis is a cursed place, da shamans don't loike it, so don't mess wid stuff ya don't understand. If ya summon someting from da void, ya'll have ta deal wid it yurself"
-Azhag
Granted Troll regeneration in World of Warcraft is no joke either even if it isn't the most prevalent with its feats, as there is some lore that says that because of the Loa (the gods that the Trolls worship), there was a troll that was able to regrow his whole body from just his head.
Fantasy is the only warhammer where a greenskin has died of old age
For the record he was a hobgoblin great khan
I thought Dk's ork voice was good but he could absolutely kill a goblin va role
You will refer Grom the Paunch as
His Emensity
His Enormousty
His Gragantuity
Yay! Ty for more Fantasy stuff! I’m gonna listen while I make small stone walls to decorate the bases of my peg knights
DK goblin impression is rather funny
Also Grom The Gamer must be a thing
BLOOPERS
1:13:23 Grom stealing the roof of a Temple in Middenheim, particularly without any other casualties, is very odd considering what Middenheim is. Just imagine a city built atop a mountain, with only 4 heavily guarded bridges from neighbouring mountains leading into the city. How did nobody notice Grom?
Grimgor kicked Archeon's nuts... Yup
DK’s Orc & now Gobbo voice acting has leveled up so much. So fun to listen to
Grimgor Ironhide will always be the best Greenskin of them all. He's a Black Orc Warboss, leads his own unit of Black Orcs called "Da Immortalz", is a chosen of Gork and Mork, and decked Archaon so hard by kicking him in the nuts and headbutting him, while Archaon was in full chaos armor and helmet. That is why Grimgor iz da best Orc eva'!
I was sat here thinking Greenskinz really didn't need a new DLC, then I saw the Mangler and Colossal Squigs and I kicked my feet and giggled
1:20:07 That's...odd, given Orcs are one of the main fielders of Trolls
23:20 waaaaaaaeh
I will never understand, but absolutely love, Bricky's incredulity at Warhammer Fantasy stuff that is the exact same level of silly as 40K lmao
I love it how these episodes usually just end with Bricky realising how 40k really is just Warhammer Fantasy but in space.
The idea that Grimgor won a headbutting competition against Mork is 100% more believable when you consider that he nearly killed this universes equivalent of Horus at the point when Horus fought the emperor.
He nearly singlehandedly stopped the End Times, but was foiled when Archaon (said Horus parallel) was forced (yes FORCED) to free the demon in his sword.
Just to distract Grimgor and give himself a couple seconds to land a decisive blow and kill Grimgor.
I believe that Grimgor just headbutted some big ass mork statue and declared himself winner when statue broke
Well if it ain't my favorite show about the old world on the internet! Thanks again for doing fantasy now guys, looking forward to you guys getting to AOS one day
Dueing the end times Grimgor becomes the Elemental Incarnate of Beasts.
Which basically means that 1/8th of all magic in the world is going into making Grimgor stronger.
I love that DK's intro was posted to the patreon for free and given it's own section at the end
27:00
Clobbers ya fer darin' ta ask kwes-chuns.
blacks orcs often get weird looks from other normal orcs by the mere fact black orcs take care of their gear, sharpenning their blades fixing their armor, the other orcs think they are wasting time like humies do with their gear
Grimgor LED the rebellion against the Chorfs
Poster Idea: Orc or Gobbo Weatherman
FOE-CAST SEYZ: WE'Z SCREW'D!!!
DKs greenskin voice is insane Mike Brooks should hit him up next book
19:18 when you first gain consciousness at your 5 yr old birthday meme!
Fun fact about Grimgor in Srorm of Choas (the version of end times that got scrumded from cannon) he kicked Archaon in balls so hard that it saves the world.
DK's goblin voice sounds like a Shadow of Mordor character
1:24:31 The Crown of Nagash is basically the Warhammer version of The One Ring.
Love waking up to the realm of ridiculous
Love the video I can’t wait to see more.
But I noticed there are two green skins you forgot to mention, the Gnoblars who are with the Ogre Kingdoms and the Hobgoblins who are divided into two groups.
Does who joined the Chaos Dwarfs during the rebellion and betrayed their fellow Greenskins who hold a never ending grudge towards them.
As a reward the Chaos Dwarfs kept them as slaves but made them Overseers, so they don’t work instead they get to order around the other slaves.
Then you have the Hobgoblin Khanate who are basically the Mongols but with Hobgoblins who ride large wolves instead of horses.
Their in the Eastern steppe so the Old World Nations like the Empire, Bretonnia etc they don’t interact with them much but the Nations of the Far East like Cathay, Ind and maybe Nippon have to deal with them.
Their much more independent and have their own khans , they also sale their services as mercenaries to the Chaos dwarfs but not as slaves.