Why LOKI Was Always Right (And Would Have Stopped Thanos, Too) | MARVEL Theory Breakdown
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- Loki season 1 has revealed a lot about to God of Mischief. We already knew he was intelligent, cunning, and charming--but now we've seen his softer side. We know that Loki can change, shirk power, and show real empathy for others. Given that, it's fun to look back on his time and realize that Loki Was Right. He was the rightful king of Asgard.
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What villain should we cover next?
First and I think it’s not a villain but I want to see some more theory’s about where Wanda is now
Absolutely definitely where Wanda is now after the WandaVision finale
Evil Doug
Doom
@@lapitsky4109 o NO
To sum it up with Frigga's words: "Always so perceptive, about everyone but yourself"
Good reference
That does appear to be changing though.
I am bad at using my eyes so I saw Fraggles instead of Frigga’s
Sound like my sister
@@Binidj probably cause he saw other versions of him... And now he can be perceptive about himself... Like looking in a mirror
So if Odin hadn't ignored Loki perhaps Loki wouldn't have learned to see the people who get looked over. He sees them because he is one himself.
I had the same thought when he discussed the point of "what if", and mention a timeline where Thor didn't exist and Loki gets all the attention. To quote Starset "these trials makes us who we are".
if odin didnt ignore loki he would have been pruned lol
Exactly! This inherent contradiction in the premise is exactly what I opened the comments hoping to find expressed. He MIGHT have potential to be a better king than the Hammer-head, but this piece illogically oversimplifies.
@@acousticpineapple7851 what makes you think he can't defeat Alioth and just beak Kang's neck😂
And this right here breaks the argument. The argument assumes that if things had been different, then only good things would have been added to Loki, but that nothing would have been taken away.
The mythology of Loki is amazing. The greatest trick he plays is to make others believe that they are the one achieving the success. But in reality he is pulling the strings.
Whata neat perspective.
This is deep
What's the worst thing that can happen If we try to test someone's nigh immortality? I mean there's like only one thing that can harm him and you'd have to be blind to use it!
yeah i love the stories of loki in the myths
Something that always stuck with me, and made me sympathize with Loki is taking into consideration all the interactions between Loki and Asgardians outside of his family. He is a Prince, a member of the royal family, and yet in multiple scenes we've seen people --who he technically outranks-- openly disrespect him. Thinking about the message that sends... that these people think so little of him that the fact that he is their Prince... doesn't matter to them. There is no way they could've done that to Thor, or Odin, or Frigga. But Loki is, for some reason, not awarded the same respect
@Fernando Martins In the first Thor movie, there's a few scenes where Thor's friends are disrespectful towards Loki (particularly Volstagg making fun of him before they go to Jotunheim and Hogun insinuating that Loki's a traitor with little evidence. There's even a deleted scene that shows an Asgardian servant openly showing disdain for Loki), but the biggest example would be when Loki takes over in Odin's place during the Odinsleep. As the remaining son, Loki would be in line for the acting ruler of Asgard and thus his place as King would be legitimate (which is confirmed in a deleted scene with Frigga). However, Thor's friends see it as a power grab and directly disobey Loki by going down to Earth to look for Thor.
That is the reason why I don’t think I can blame him for being what he is.
He is just a complicated character yet lovable af!!
@@michaelthornton4506 see, you say that, but Loki is an antagonist to the majority of the characters throughout the majority of his appearances. Yes, they were disrespectful, but not without reason. We know that Loki taking over during the Odinsleep was, in essence, a power grab. Yes, he was the rightful heir, but we also know he was actively working against Thor's return, and putting a hit on his father's head to ensure he maintained the throne. We know that he did let the Jotunheims into Asgard, and thus it was appropriate for Hogun to insinuate Loki was the traitor. He was the traitor in the end, even if there wasn't active evidence to support it. I adore Loki, and I think it was entirely the TVA's fault that he behaved that way, over and over and over. That does not mean that he was not also technically in the wrong.
Because he's adopted
@@sshantobia1 Thor and the Warriors Three + Sif don't know that. Heimdall *maybe*, though it's only stated that Frigga and Odin knew
The Loki show spelled out what Loki was all long, his story isn't that of a villain or really a side character, rather it's a tragedy in the background, pushed aside by the heroic stories of others. I'll always love the character, and I'm so excited that he's had the chance to redeem himself in his show.
I mean....the Norse stories of Loki paint a sad picture of him as well...
Loki prince of Frost Giants taken by the people who killed his father mother and killed his people almost wiping them out of existence takes that baby to be raised not to be you what u are or who u are to be told one day u can be king then u see his son get everything father's love freedom to do anything gets a hammer powers the leader of the army and what does Loki get a mother to cry to and that's it
@@sometimessnarky1642 Right. Especially the forever punishment thing, and that too, only for finding a loop hole.
Did you watch attack on titan? Your comment reminded me of the episode "bystander"
@@jmb2fresh his father wasn't killed during the war but everything else is on point
Loki was the only reason I ever even cared about 'Thor' movies. Honestly the most relateable villain ever
Ikr, I agree
Even in Norse mythology, Loki is my favorite god.
Agree
It seriously took me about three or four movies to warm up to Thor, but I liked Loki immediately.
How?
At the beginning of the episode when Miss Minutes is offering Loki everything he wants, the instrumental music that played when he learned about Ragnarok played again and he was crying. He wasn't thinking about beating the Avengers, killing Thanos or taking the Throne.... he was thinking of a timeline where Ragnarok didn't have to happen.
That is why Loki would have been the greatest ruler Asgard could have had.
I agree
Your absalutely right. It wasn't at all killing or taking the throne. The music that plays when he realises it was the moment he saw his mother dead on the floor. So I think he is thinking about saving her.
We all know better about Loki than anyone in the MCU, so sad😢
Idd^^
I'm so glad they gave Tom Hiddleston his own show as Loki. Such a great character and performer.
Plus the rest of the MCU's kind of going to shit so I'm glad he's safe and away from all that.
@@graceholbert2126 it’s really not
Right on👍👍
Yes it is
which show was this?
I absolutely love Loki, he is a hero, he is a villain, he is brilliant, he is flawed. He is perfect
Perfectly imperfect
If you look at all of Odin's children, the main villain and cause of all the issues of Thor, Loki and Hela all seem to originate from Odin's terrible parenting skills. Each one of them is violent, war like and lack empathy, to one degree or another. Both Thor and Loki become better people when away from Odin's influence.
If you really believe the MCU version of Norse mythology, I suggest you read the Poetic Edda instead. The MCU screwed the Norse mythology. The only good thing they did was cast Tom Hiddleston as Loki. They couldn't even get a true depiction of Sif, and don't get me started on how they messed up Hel/Hela. Yeah, read the Poetic Edda.
@@kaithorenfawkes8312 I've read Norse and Greek mythology, but most shows screw up mythology. I was basing my comment on the MCU Odin.
Don't blame it all on Odin...what was frigga doing ?
@@MrCake-ui8uo Her best. At least she let her kids know how much she loved them.
@@moralityisnotsubjective5 Odin let let their sons know too.
Why does Loki feel like the true and secret “main character” of the marvel universe right now?
Yea, I mean he was offered to have everything he ever wanted, for things to go his way!😃
To you maybe? No one I know liked this show. See the downvotes?
@@gokugirl826 yep that’s why I feel he’s the main character
@@atlusavalon6745 that’s good for you and your friends 🙃
Loki is going to have a very major role in the Marvel Universe!!! There I said it!!!! And he is going to be a surprisingly good hero in the end!!!!
Actually, in the earliest representation of Loki we have in mythology, Loki is more of a good guy than most other gods. He's always cleaning up after their messes, and the other gods imprisoned his three children (seriously wtf) because of the prophecy of Ragnarok, which of course was ACTUALLY what made them angry enough to cause Ragnarok. Classic case of trying to prevent a prophecy, and accidentally causing it instead. (The three children are Hel, Fenrir, and the world serpent. In the story, Fenrir is actually the most powerful of the three, not Hel) (Hel = Hela btw, they probably made her Odin's daughter because it's a plot that makes more sense in the movie. Also for those who don't know, Fenrir is the big bad wolf that was Hela's pet.)
And then theres the 4th child and my favorite little story in Norse Mythology:
The time Loki gave birth to an 8 legged horse.
@@SteenbergGaming Loki also had children with Sigyn but Odin murdered them … brutally
@@lizasaakadze5411 I remember that bit yea. They turned one of his 2 sons into a wolf who then butchered the other son, after which they bound and chained Loki underground with the remains of the dead son.
@@SteenbergGaming YES! I know Loki did some messed up things too in myths but Odin feels no less evil
@@SteenbergGaming To be fair, they chained him up after his prank went wrong causing Baldr's death.
First Odin ruined his daughter, filled her mind with war, chaos and obsessed with ruling then he just locked her away. Then almost ruined his son and then adopted a son and told straight to his face that he was "meant to die". Such a great father Odin is 🤦🤦
Odin is definitely the worst character in MCU.
@@hittingyouoverthehead Odin's character is supposed to be a failed, terrible dad.
@@lmtlsak1829 I doubt that the original myth intended him like that though.
@@hittingyouoverthehead I mean this is a movie in order to keep things interesting they don't copy paste anything from mythology or comics just like that. Odin being a terrible dad is the best reason to make loki, hela bad guys
that is quite common in all mythologies, I mean read up on the greek/roman gods, they are all completely flawed and screwed up...
In the comics after Loki and Thor were already in good terms, Loki became the ruler of Jotunheim and actually did his job way too well that there was no problem to take care of (compare to Asgard that has constant invasions when the frost giants are supposed to be the violent war mongering ones) Loki got really bored so he made a giant snowman called Frost who easily ate Nightmare who came to invade the realm minutes later. He’s so good at his job that Loki can go on adventures without having to worry. Like he’s such a good ruler that his kingdom never have to be under threat so he made a perfect successor, these are already than Odin had done.
In wich comic?
@@ereinhard8820 They're just called "Loki" and were published in 2019. Doing some searching online should easily lead you to a site to read them.
Wow this should happen on big screen, his character deserves better recognition. The only villain we will support.
I love that
@@reddpyramid oh, that's the reborn Loki, the one who grew up as a hero, after Villain Loki died got redeemed for saving Asgard in the process, as the first time he ever did something for someone there than himself.
Every Odin who praises Loki becomes a variant.
Lol
Painfull but true
I have a hard time believing the TVA can just show up & arrest Odin or even Frigga.
Honestly that very well might be the case. Up until now in the mcu everything was supposed to happen according to Kang. Loki is never meant to get the adoration of Odin, otherwise a nexus event occurs. I do see a problem with this video though. If that variant of Odin is allowed to exist, would Loki even grow up with the same set of characteristics and Ideologies as what ScreenCrush describes as the perfect Loki? All of the "choices" that Loki made up until now built the character that he is. If he were to make other choices it would build his character differently. I mean honestly, all of this shit depends on the writer.
@@bern9642 odins a nexus being like scarlet witch
Now that we have a season 2, this is even more on point than it was 2 years ago.
When Loki said that different versions of a very dangerous person is coming and we need to prepare, I was so shaken by listening to that. Tom Hiddleston is a great actor.
This has been the best story...and the best acting...to me anyway from everything coming to screen in a very long time. Tom especially is a great actor. I've watched Lori 4 times. That ending was amazing.
Loki
Yeah he is. He has portrayed all these different emotions that Loki has gone through AND one moment he looks as innocent as a child the next he grins and he is all mischief... Thumbs up really. He is a very talented actor.
Me too. It made my hands put together by holding my emotions. And he's very serious by those words. I just wanna hug him and would say to Mobius "listen to what he says. He's not kidding."
This is the centre of the whole thing
Odin messed up ALL his children and I've been saying this forever.
He was utterly dreadful. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Sereisly. Thor's the only one who got anything good from him at all, but he was still a shitty parent to Thor.
Loki was never truley bad nor good, he never really cared for the throne well at least not till after thor ragnorank, he just wanted to make his father proud show him hes more then a ice giant
perfect metaphor for stuffy, rigid patriarchy.
@@mini9503 in the first Edda Loki was portrayed as the good guy, as a reimagined Jesus of sorts. The Edda was written when Christianity was already present in the Norse and so it had to be in terms with Christian beliefs. So Loki was the scapegoat, he was always used by the other gods to make problems dissappear and he was father to hela, the world Serpent and fenrir. Those children of his would bring ragnarok, a new beginning for the world wiping it from its sins (only the pure hearted survived) similar to the genesis flood.
Another thing would be that his children were not evil but traited as evil by the other gods from the get go. Fenrir played with the gods and was just a good boy, but they chained him away and betrayed him, hela was cast into the underworld. So if you read the Edda the gods are sinful and pretty much evil in some cases.
It’s a Catch-22... if Loki “had been hugged once”or raised as Odin’s one true son, would he still be so understanding of the disenfranchised, or would he be just as vain and cruel and Thor?
came here to say exactly this. Adversity can create character, so if you avoid adversity what happens to the character growth?...
Doesn’t have to be, maybe he already experienced a lot of this but thor is killed and oden accepts him later in life
Exactly, its the same reason why the one who remains had to have Loki and Sylvie go through their journey before he could make his offer.
Hugs don't create vain and cruel people. Thor wasn't vain and cruel because he was hugged, but instead because both Thor and Loki were mistreated, but in different ways.
@@AnHourOfWolves simplistic dismissal...excess of attention (i.e. reward) can stunt/prevent the desire to grow (i.e. earn a reward). its why children of successful people often fail hard
Tom Hiddleston managed to create a wonderful multi layered character, the writers gave him so much to work with and because of his lack of screen time or imagination is taking place is that other characters with more screen time simply can’t provide.
To be fair, Thor acknowledged that Loki would make a better King.
When
When
@@samsubhaa Thor the dark world near then end before loki reveals he is Odin in disguise. I can’t remember the quote but it was along the lines of: Loki knows ruling much more than I do, or smth like that.
@@getit..iguess2202 Turned out he was wrong. Just look at what happened when he actually had the job even if he was disguised as someone else.
@@olstar18 But that was because of TVA. They didn't allow him to grow.
Loki is my favorite character and I love Hiddleston's portrayal so much. Loki is great. He doesn't just punch enemies, he outwits them. Loki just needs love...
Loki loves being right.
Don't we all🤣🤣🤣
Sydney coming tokill me 27
LOVES IT
Who doesn't?
Though there are indeed times where being right doesn't always feel good.
same thoughts here. When I was watching Thor Ragnarok and looking back at Loki's journey, the scene "Perhaps, we can come into an arrangement" scene with Hella struck me. I saw Loki as someone analytical, far more fitting to be a King than Thor.
Loki hides is trauma the same way I do and I've always felt a connection to his character.
Being arrogant on the outside but bottling up everything on the inside.
The fact that he's slowly became the protagonist of the MCU is even more odd because it's just another broken child-
I don't know, I just came back from a ~breakdown~
I feel you
"best Loki" is just Thor at the end of Endgame. If Loki has gotten praised the way Thor was praised he wouldn't have had to work so hard. He wouldn't have had to be as clever or cunning. What makes Loki great is the lived experience. It's the falling over and over again. It's the growth at the end of Ragnarok and the show. He needs to be the outcast to become the king Asgard deserved.
I love this take!
Loki was a king asgard was underserving of but desperately needed.
I agree. Loki's greatest strengths came from the adversity he experienced as the proverbial red-headed stepchild. Had he gotten the attention he so desperately craved or had he never been taken in the first place, I don't think he would have become worthy of either throne.
Well put! Had he been brought up right, Loki could never have understood the plight of the common man or the desires of the criminal underworld. He wouldn't have this knowledge to apply to ruling Asgard.
@@crisis5057 Agree completely!
Loki has always been my favorite character in the MCU because I could always see the good behind all that. This analysis helped me finally understand it. Up until Dark Widow’s death, he was the one I mourned most about.
It took me a few seconds to realize who dark widow is
@@aditisk99 who
@@aditisk99 ohhh I get it now
Smart
Who the fuck is dark widow
Loki has always been my favourite character in the MCU. He's just too clever for the rest to fathom!
To be fair to Thor: The Dark World, Thor did say: "Loki for all his grave imbalance understood rule as I know I never will." He knew he served better as a protector instead of a ruler, he didn't just do it for Jane. While Ragnarok totally reinvents Thor and brings him back full circle by presenting him again with the position he rejected. Ultimately, he failed at being a king, because like Frigga said: "everyone fails at who they're supposed to be".
Yeaaa sometimes we can never be the one everyone expects us to be
@VIHAN KRISHNA not me but I just call it The Loki, the interns and Selvig movie!
Can we take a moment and appreciate the fact that Loki added safety barriers to rainbow bridge after he tricked Thor and ruled asgard?
LOL I DID NOT NOTICE THAT TILL NOW, HAHAHAHAHA
That is so helpful. Now I can finally race on it without the koopas always having to fish me out of the void.
it’s a reference to the ending of Thor 1, when he fell from the bridge nearly dying so he didn’t want it to happen to anyone else🥺
@@banmancan1894 but Speedruns :(
@@misham6547 Ah yes!. On that day, the speed-running community of the rainbow road within Asgard faced a great toll. Such a decision is what truly makes Loki a tragic character, he makes great enemies no matter what choice he makes.
Odin: *doesnt suck at parenting*
TVA: OPEN UP
Stan Lee: Ehem...
tva what does that mean??????
@@sumitacharya454 time variance authority,
What you failed to take into account in this video is the fact that the kind of intelligence you are describing loki to have is developed very much through the adversity loki went through. same as every intelligent person alive. you are born with a part of it of course, but without the need for it, it doesn't develop as much. if we imagine how his life would have been with his parents love, then maybe he wouldn't have had it. and that maybe is a strong maybe.
Loki saying "I can not be trusted" is an amazing moment of self-reflection, honesty & pathos all in one. What makes a Loki a Loki? The inability to be trusted. Would I lie to you?!
@UThink UCan which is why Kang was right the ONLY alternative to multiversal war is Loki, the only person who can understand all sides, to take over the role that(no matter what) he will be sent to anyway. The only logical choice is to take the 'throne' of the place that would rule over him anyway. He likely would have focused on eliminating Kangs and other REAL threats and put real thought into other variant realities. The one foil to it all is the role of the leader itself. The role of the leader forces you to make difficult choices that may not be fair to all, which means the best leaders are not necessarily the most trustworthy. Because he isn't truthworthy and leadship relies on some narcissism he get lost in a relationship with ironically himself in Sylvie. However the main foil is that if you cannot be trusted the other aspect to that is not being able to trust. Its where we see the TVA loki vs Sylvie fight as a thematic fight over two sides of the same coin. Leading to killing Kang and the starting of the multiversal wars much like Odin doing wars of his own. The circle continues.
Your points are well thought out and fun to listen to, but I think you made a big flawed leap in logic. Assuming that the experiences that created the Loki we know, we don't know what he would have been like had Odin been a different/better father and give him hugs n whatnot... had he grown up in those experiences he [just as likely] may not have the view of the world this Loki does, like his understanding of the criminal underground, the secret entrances n knowledge of the underprivaleged, [not the word you used, but you get my point] the ideal Loki you refer to being the ideal ruler/protector of Asgard likely wouldnt have been created being raised by Odin in a different way.
@@jonathanwyman8488 so you mean it didn't matter what odin do
@@aaronramsey9673 odin's parenting techniques created a chain reaction of events which shaped 'our' Loki into who he is. What I was saying was that, should those parenting techniques be changed, we cannot assume that Loki would still have the same experience and perception of said experiences to form him the same. Basically the video made a broad assumption/ false jump in logic that we would have any idea what a Loki with a different Odin would turn out to be... hope that makes sense
I've always loved Loki as a character, and it broke my heart every time he made a mistake because i knew there was a better version of his story if he could only break the vicious cycle he lives in.... similar to how Louis Litt was written in suits.
One of the longest character arcs in history. Genius
And it’s still going
Iron Man has the best Arc if you know what I mean.
He's got a big 'ol hog.
How? This loki is after the first avengers movie. At this point he had been in only 2 movies, after that the TVA. It's not the loki we knew
@@giovannip8600 because he was able to see where continuing down his current path would lead and change his fate. He saw the consequences to his actions and was able to grow this time.
@@giovannip8600 I know where are you coming from, but I think it is meant in terms of the real time, slow releases, each adding something new to his character from different perspectives.
You also didn’t mention Old Loki, who became an amazing leader in the outskirts of the universe where the TVA couldn’t reach him. Then he stepped outside the safe zone for 1 second and everything was fucked but oh well
Amazing Leader? He was isolated an alone for thousands of years
I thought that was Old Leif? Or maybe it was young Leif...?
one thing i want to point out is that Thor was going through a depressive state. he lost his home, his people, his brother, so many things. when something that horrible happens to someone so fast, they're going to want to turn back to simpler times when things were okay. he's not going to want to keep that growth because it came from that pain. he feels this need to get a new hammer because it's one of the few things that still makes sense and he feels confident in. it wasn't self-pity, it was him going numb and choosing to forget about the things that have happened and the many responsibilities that were dropped in him because of those events.
I feel like this comment should be getting more attention than it is lol
yeah, i feel it's really harsh on Thor. Thor just lost his people (most of them), turns out he had a blood thirsty sister he didn't know about, he lost his brother (again) and had to watch him die (agai) saving him from someone he was afraid of. (disagee about Loki seeking Thanos out, since Loki was very clearly under the thumb of the Other, and looked very ill for half the Avengers. It could be argued he spent the rest o the time running from Thanos. Where else is safest but Asgard? even if it is in the dungeons ... ) He kept going, he got himself a new weapon which he used alongside his expanded powers. This suggests he instantly knew every nuance there was simply because he realised hes 'not the god of hammers'. But really, he didn't have time. Thanos was coming, and he needed all the help he could get. Then he loses. He never loses. He couldn't avenge his people, so he got depressed. Although it's painted all haha funy, I actually really like it. He's sad, he's lost hope, he's got PTSD, he's falling apart. Thor1 was a tantrum, Endgame is being utterly lost
In my opinion, both thor and loki was going through a hard mental disorder because of their parent (odin) really. They were not raised right. If only their father recognized them right, even hela, the siblings would've ended in a better state.
I think that absolutely right but also, that's after all the decision Thor made (not that he is the guilty one) but he did left his home and decline being a King when most needed. By the time he took the crown it was too late and his kingdom had fallen and was about to fall even more. Basically he lost his army and many peopleto Hela, he then lost his people to Thanos and then the remaining Asgardians got reduce in half due to the snap. As an Asgardian I would do blame the king, because independient of their personal life, my life and my family's depend on a good leader. So... anyway all Asgardians had it tough.
He had a major breakthrough and then a small snag caused him to conpletley revert...
I'm glad Loki is getting all the screentime he deserves😭💕
It has always really bugged me that Thor was so dead set on getting a new hammer in infinity war after Odin taught him he wasn’t the god of hammers. Lol
To be fair he got an axe 🤣
@@CodeeXD Hahaha. Fair. Stormbreaker is kind of a hammer axe hybrid.
When Thor fought Thanos in his spaceship, he did not have a hammer then and was completely dominated by him. He probably thought he needed something else to make him more powerful than he already is and the only way he knew is to get himself a bigger and better hammer aka stormbreaker.
He needed Stormbreaker to take on Thanos with the infinity stones. Thanos was too strong once he started collecting the stones
@@ch1000man Good point!
Good thesis. Only problem is, there could be no 'best version' of loki without everythign else. If Loki was raiserd better he wouldn't have been so resourceful, creative, strategic, or observant. Loki can only be the best king after he's experienced everything to date and the development over the series. The best version of loki is the one we have now, the one we have at the end of the series. We'll see what happens next.
We are sharing the same understanding.
That depends. He needs something to bring out his potential but it doesn't necessarily have to be what did it here. Its quite often that great people have been held back by the very path that made them great. An ideal path would be one that brings out greatness without causing any lasting damage.
The difference between learning fire is hot by feeling the heat and learning its hot by burning yourself.
@@Merilirem but a person would think it is safe if he is just feeling the heat and thought of warmth. Only by burning yourself you gonna know it is a danger.
The best Loki was the one that Thanos killed, he was finally redeemed after all those movies. The series Loki only saw snippets of events and never experienced any of them.
I mean female Loki knew she was adopted.
I agree with most everything you’ve said! But a couple of points:
1) We don’t know that Loki faked his death in the first Thor movie. It is more in character for him to have let go because he saw no other option and then took advantage of the situation he found himself in afterwards.
2) We don’t know that he is the one who found Thanos. It seems just as likely that Thanos found him since the destruction of the bifrost created some form of split in the space below Asgard while it fell.
3) Loki’s alliance with Thanos seemed very one sided and since we do know that the mind stone was effecting Loki during Avengers, there is some room for interpretation of that relationship.
These three points lead us to a different set up within the movies.
Loki fell and met Thanos. Loki took advantage of this meeting to form an alliance or was coerced into an alliance with Thanos. Loki, knowing about the infinity stones, put up a good fight but ultimately lost Thanos two of the infinity stones on purpose. Knowing of Thanos’s desire for the stones, Loki was then in a good spot to protect the stones he already knew the location of and to search for and protect the stones he didn’t know about. By being returned to Asgard, he could manipulate his way to freedom and he would be protected from Thanos.
During Ragnarok when Thor begins accusing Loki of leaving the nine in chaos, we see Loki’s ego on full display. However, it’s also obvious that Loki has been pulling forces out of the other realms and onto Asgard where one infinity stone and the fake gauntlet are kept. He takes time to hide the Aether where he thinks it will be safe and sends Thor to help retrieve the scepter with the Avengers. He also allows Thor to return to Earth where two stones now reside.
Throughout these movements, he changes Asgard from a colonizing empire into a protectorate that allows the other realms the freedom to govern themselves. He puts Asgard first and begins to encourage the growth of his realm instead of wasting resources ruling the nine. He also creates a realm strong enough to withstand Thanos and manages to protect at least four infinity stones.
So yes, Loki would have made a much better king than Thor if stoking his own ego hadn’t been his defense mechanism against Odin’s neglect and his people’s/friend’s disdain.
Also, Thor needed storm breaker because it held the power of the bi frost. To get to Thanos quickly he needed a way to move through space. With Asgard destroyed, that was his only real hope.
I agree EXCEPT when Thor is in Endgame. He's not spoiled or lazy or anything when he's hiding out in "New Asgard" but suffering from real depression and PTSD. He hasn't proactively abandoned anyone, but rather is completely ill.
Survivors guilt
Exactly, depression is no joke
All the reason i dont ser why some people hated thor in endgame.
As weird as it is to say this: “Endgame” (for lack of a better word) humanized Thor. And just ask anyone who’s experienced a loved ones suicide. Constantly questioning how or what more they could have done to prevent that tragedy from taking place. Then multiply that feeling by billions. Excellent points by all of you.
Great point
Please tell me there's timeline where Odin dies straight after bringing Loki to Asgard and Frigga because sole ruler until her sons come of age...
That-That would actually work for everyone, if it weren't for the hella thing.
@@elainegoates9792 oh, damb
Even aligator Loki is possible. I don't see this to be impossible
@@elainegoates9792 Maybe Frigga could put her back in stasis or something. She probably knew about Hela ahead of time.
@Rayaan Syed lol
I disagree on "Thor couldn't be a leader because look what happened when Thanos killed half his people". His brother who he was finally connecting with legitimately just died, not in a fake way, but for real this time. Falling back due to intense trauma is pretty common.
He had ptsd. It's real and even Norse Gods aren't immune.
Yeah, so much that in Endgame he didn't even remember he had a brother. Please.
Thor could have asked to bring Loki back with the stones, instead he never even mentioned him.
@@whiteshaix wasn't Loki already doing his own thing? I get a little confused about the timeline. But we're already into Season 2 of Loki. Have you seen it? I loved the first season, but I'm going to wait until all the episodes come out for Season 2. I don't like to wait. LOL
@whiteshaix his brother was still a mass murderer. I don't think bringing him back to life would've been very cool to everyone else. He loved his brother, flaws and all, but that doesn't mean he had to use the stones and bring him back just to prove it.
@whiteshaix his whole entire existence in the movie mentions it. Lol. He's clearly grieving and not in a healthy way. None of the Avengers are particularly fond of Loki. Why would he bring it up to people that wouldn't understand his pain? He wanted to do the snap! You don't know what he was hoping to ask for. They wouldn't let him. Also, he has a memorial tattoo across his entire back. He hadn't even begun to face what he had lost when we see him in Endgame. Also, everyone grieves differently. Yes, he most certainly cared.
When Thor tells Erik that Loki died in Dark World, Erik is literally gleeful. Why would Thor bring up Loki to people he fears would react like that. It would be painful.
In Fairness to Endgame Thor he was dealing with the PTSD and Trauma of failing to stop half the universe from being wiped out. So I'd give that Thor a pass. He was in no shape to do anything let alone rule New Asgard.
And TBH he wasn't at all in the right mental state to really be fighting Thanos either at that point.
yeah, I did like Thor's arc in Endgame, showing how people can grieve. Thor lost everything. And it was a nice story that if someone like Thor can end up being so downtrodden, then he's more relatable. etc. I thought it was good storytelling. and the conclusion to Thor's arc was actually that he realizes he doesn't want to rule and someone else would be a better ruler.
I love how they show real human emotions. Just because a character has the arc of a hero doesn’t mean that they won’t succumbed to grieve , revenge and pride. They fuck up just like we do and maybe that’s why we love the MCU sm
Getting his ass handed to him by noobmaster69 didn't help either.
@@verajaquez Very nicely said and I agree, that's one of the main reasons why I love the MCU
This starts in Infinity War already. I very much doubt Thor was aware that half of his people were spared, and he sounds positively insane throughout the movie. He believes Thanos killed ALL of his people, he saw him kill his friend Heimdall and his brother Loki, with whom he recently reconnected, and he sort of shuts down everything except his need for revenge. That's why he doesn't go for the kill; he wants Thanos to suffer.
Then in Endgame, with the imminent threat gone and nothing to fight left, he goes into the PTSD and depression.
Loki : the sun will shine on us again.
Marvel : Yes.
you mean just Loki, right?
Looks like they just laid out an entire plot line for the “What if” series
I like this! Good King Loki of Asgaard creates universe-wide peace across the 9 realms and beyond! But then an antagonist from another universe in the multiverse turns up to wreak havoc; with a nuanced and complex plot line and journey ensuing! Disney Marvel should make this animation cartoon and then shut up and take my money! :-D
What if Loki was King of Asgard?
Something that I always come to conclude and say is that Loki was much more than they made him, he only wanted to be accepted, respected and loved - that's why he did what he did, he was calling attention showing that he was so capable of being ruler and worthy
And at first I also thought he was a slytherin... he's smart and I really wanted to see him doing more idk
I think that's why he's my fav character, he's misunderstood and portrayed as bad
Loki would have been one hell of a king. But it looks like he's been called to a higher purpose
a Glorious Purpose
@@culturecanvas777 some say he was burdened with it.
A conquerer
@@jayechottv 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah. Not just king of asgard and 9 realms, but king of the whole universe, and yes, strongest time keeper(s), along with his 'lady'
So so glad and so blessed that Loki got the screen time that he actually gotten and more so than he ever did in the MCU
This show is still the MCU, but I get what you mean lol
@@Samuel2oh9 like the movie portion
Your logic relies on Loki knowing everything he knows even when you changed the most fundamental part that shapes our behavior! If he was raised in a loving and caring family he would have not turned mischievous, rebellious and resourceful... therefore his personality would have been completely different as of the current Loki!
Right. Nature vs nurture.
Pb is you can change everything, Loki remain the god of Mischief.
Imagine the god of mischief, spoiled like thor....
Thanos who ??
@@cyrillechristophe6583 👏👏👏
If loki raised in loving and caring family, he become something like sylvie...
@@chvhndrtntlr3482 ?????? she never had a family????
8:00 the reason why loki understood all that is because he was a outcast and so probably made friends with the outcasts. If he was raised like thor then he would have no reason to do any of that or be that way and not become the loki we know and love.
Sylvie (Loki) kills Kang so he could achieve the best version (variant) of himself
Youre on to something
@@elByrd it makes sense, Kang sees the big picture and up to something cosmically big, I’m looking forward seeing his arc
also "It's like poetry, they rhyme" (wrong franchise but it applies)
@@ranz.mp4999 disney owns both marvel and star wars so it works 🤣
@@8narutoshodowclones lmaoo trueee
People: Getting to know Loki better trough the serie
Loki fans and people with trauma: We knew it all along. Is no suprise for us. ;)
exactlyyyyy
This👆
Absolutely. Never thought he was a true villain. He's such a great character and loved watching his growth through the movies and series. I really believe Loki's are meant to be great.
@@melissageisler391 Same
@@melissageisler391 how is he not a true villain he killed innocent people in New York
The amount of daddy issues in everything related to Loki and Thor... Ah, it's no surprise we all can relate.
To quote Tom Hiddleston on this: "hey, listen, man, everybody's got daddy issues"
I honestly thank the internet for opening my eyes and seeing my dad's actions aren't good
It's bad when one gets more attention more gifts more responsible and then find out y because your not his son and he killed your family it's heartbreaking if that happened to you what would you do kill the men with raised u the men who killed your family and made sure his son was stronger than you what would you do
@@jmb2fresh i would honestly choose to die
@@jamssy3409 before get revenge or just kill Thor Odin's favorite child u kill Thor then leave it to hela to inherit the throne lol she would kill off Odin's legacy so no one would know he ever excited
U can't just die u where alive for a reason maybe change the people's life around u or change everything just because you are there to do what u are meant to do never give up never give in or u lost already
You are correct that Loki is the way he is because of the way he was raised. In a universe were he would be an only child he would be an entirely different person. He would lack the drive he had as the second son, and wouldn't have that dark side of him that made him seek out the underworld thus losing out on a lot of his power and knowledge. He felt driven into the shadows to gain an edge on Thor and thus the approval of his father. Take that tremendous drive away, and you have a totally different personally.
"He is the smartest guy in the room and he gets treated like shit for it"
It hit me too hard. :D
Loki has been one of my fave characters due to his potential (and...maybe Tom...yea, def Tom)
def Tom
Absolutely correct, Loki Should have been a king and thor a commander of Asgrad soldiers.
Wtf is Asgrad lol
@@goodputin4324 thier kingdom
Nah, fuck that, they should have abandoned the idea of monarchy altogether and made Sif their leader.
@@Laurentus was Sif really that great? She's certainly more level headed than Thor, but Loki is still leagues and bounds more qualified.
Also, making Sif an absolute leader isn't abolishing a monarchy, it's just establishing a new dynasty or dictator
@@swathisajja5615 wtf is thier lol
LOKI WAS RIGHT! AND he is and will continue to be a fav of fans. He has one of the best character developments. Watched this for the 2nd time today! Love your videos. Doug is awesome. He needs a raise, seriously dude give the guy a bone!😉
You know what else may have stunted his emotional growth? Being abandoned and taken as an infant.
That feeling as though something is wrong? It is a major identity crisis born from the loss and trauma he experienced in infancy. Mother loss, for humans anyway, in infancy can damage the development of your identity.
As always, I am disappointed that MCU canon never sends him to reconcile his frost giant heritage with his asgardian raising.
Yet...
This is the rare moment where I side with Odin. When Loki says, "You should have told me what I was," Odin replies, "You're my son." Period. And Loki clearly wants that to be true in that moment, he's just despairing because it's all such a shock. Loki has no connection to the frost giants (who seemingly abandoned him for being too small). In every way that matters, he's as Asgardian, especially after thousands of years.
@@theaterpup3466 He has no connection besides literally being born one and abandoned by one. Or, for all we know, simply stolen by Odin. The victor writes the story, after all--something true for most infant adoptees.
Yes, it's all a fiction and the writers can do what they want with the property. But as an infant adoptee, we were not blank slates. Our history and origin matter. Who we are is an amalgam of nurture and nature. Loki has become yet another mainstream adoptee story told with the exclusion of the "nature" side.
@@heatherhanes7010 It’s an interesting debate. In this case I don’t think merely being born something is the strongest connection.
@@heatherhanes7010 To me, Odin's version of the events to led to him taking Loki seem pretty sketchy, and not telling him about his heritage was inexcusable. Every person deserves to know where he came from, and not in a way that shames, belittles or denies that origin. Odin really is the opposite of what a good adoptive parent should be.
I'd also be fine if I never heard another "he's adopted" joke in any Marvel TV series or movie. I suspect that's a holdover from Joss Whedon, who seems to find adoption and "'short bus" jokes hilarious, since they show up in every project he's involved with.
This was quite insightful. Loki's character is imperfect yet complex, a total bundle of contradictions which makes him so interesting. When I re-watched the first Thor, (it's probably Tom Hiddleston great acting) but if you'll notice his subtle, visceral expressions, I felt like he really loves his brother Thor and it was proven at the Infinity War when he sacrificed himself. Then after watching the Season 1 of Loki, it was shown that he has also a great love for his mother, making him a really great character in the MCU anyone can relate to - he'll do whatever he can to protect those who matter to him.
He’s not treated like shit because he’s the smartest in the room he’s treated like shit because he won’t let you forget that he’s the smartest in the room
Haha, try true. Which again brings back around to his ego being his failure.
And because he overestimates his own intelligence and is condescending to others
Yes but why do you think he feels the need to prove himself in the first place?
@Richter but that's not who he really is .. he literally says this in episode 1 when he explains to Mobius that he doesn't enjoy hurting people.
@@aakarshan4644 Thor and his friends mock Loki all the time in Thor 2011. They look down on him because he is different. That's why.
I love how every character in mcu remains to be consistent
Tom Hiddleston in his portrayal of Loki just shows so much acting range its ridiculous. I feel that Jonathan Majors has shown that he is going to be right up there with him as one of the best actors in marvel. I am very excited to see all these timey wimey and reality bending story lines in this new direction marvel is going.
that black guy's performance at the end of Loki was so terrible! Awkward over-acting! Jesse Eseinberg Justice League vibes anyone?
@@GabrielAlcala956 Nah you just racist lmao
@@danteharris3481 stfu about race lmao. The dude could just have not liked his performance. Dude brought up the justice league dude who is white and he didn’t like his acting. He racist to whites? All of you bringing race into everything straight weirdos bro I swear
@@andimari9194 THANK YOU!
@@andimari9194 Ya he probably just didn't like the style of broken crazy Jonathan was portraying. He won't have to worry as that will just be this iteration of Kang as he will have to portray many version of him both in loki, ant man and if I am right in other movies. He will be the next big bad guy following Thanos.
Thor: look at me I’m a badass
Loki: look at me I’m so intelligent
Odin: that’s my boys
What did you think of the Loki finale?
So tragic, but a brilliant set up of Kang, no one seems to mention the soundtrack which is probably the best Marvel OST yet!
Still so tragic for sure , Miss Minutes still have me the biggest jump scare of the MCU for sure , but definitely it was so so emotional :( when Mobius didn’t even recognize Loki in his TVA universe
thought it was some of the best MCU content ever made imo
perfectly set up the MCU for phase 4
@@brucelau2023 That made me the saddest when Mobius didn't recognize Loki.😥😢😭
I'm put in mind of Shiro's line after meeting Harry Dresden: "Sometimes you get what is coming around, sometimes you ARE what is coming around."
I can already imagine the audience will rejoice when we see Loki’s back on the big screen joining forces with the New Avengers to fight Kang
Old Avengers slogan was; *"Avengers, Assembled"*
I hope the new Avengers will yelled by loki like this one:
*"For All Time,"*
then sylvie will continues the line; *"Always"*
Another assemble slogan that i hope will be on theater, and i will be there to see how audience will react.
@@uvuvw3w3_o55as Oh yes! That’s a great idea. I hope they picked up on it. Make it as memorable as the OG
@@uvuvw3w3_o55as Just like the Wakanda war cry.
Messed up the 1st child, scared, and lock her aways. Then proceeded to mess up the next one and the adopted one. What a wonderful father Odin is!!!!!
Right? Yeesh!
Odin’s a piece of sh*t.
What about frigga ? What's her duty in parenting as a mother ?
@@MrCake-ui8uo It's clear that Hella is from another union. Loki is clearly Frigga's favorite as Thor is Odin's favorite. But the central lie at the heart of the family clearly restricts what Frigga as queen mother could do.
@@EMSpdx but everybody is blaming Odin like he was the single parent..I know loki is Frigga's favorite but she didn't do much about it. She also neglect Hela completely.
I don't see Loki as the bad guy anymore
Thanos did nothing wrong either
@@sheahunsinger9801 mass genocide isn’t wrong?? You must be a Nazi 😐😐
@@kodakmac8028 or a american? Unless Japanese aren’t people to you? Even Loki kills hundreds during the first avengers
For the better
@@eggheadusa or Japanese? Unless the Manchurians mean nothing to you. Or Turkish? Unless the Armenians mean nothing to you.
Let's cool it with the /real/ genocide references. Lots of heat to go around.
Love to see you add an update now that Loki season 2 is finished
Loki always knew he was destined to be better, he always just went at it the wrong way. I agree better parenting by Odin would have definitely helped. Also tom hiddleston is such an amazing actor!
I still believe he'd be a Slytherin. Slytherin isn't designed for bad people, it's just that bad people carry the traits that make you a Slytherin.
@Ren Zone rofl, you don't get to make that choice and neither does whatever medium you used. The sorting hat does and that's a made up magical item that you cannot replicate in reality.
A Slytherin's main attribute is ambition and cunning. Ambition is what drives them and cunning is a core trait. Ambition, however, is secondary to Loki's main motivation, his desire for recognition from his family.
@@GLUFSAREN your comment doesn't really make sense. The sorting hat doesn't decide if you become a death eater.... That's a literal cult that you join... And we know it's a magical item from a fantasy movie...
@Ren Zone wtf is Malloy? Lol
Slytherin is for the ambitious and cunning, which aren’t actually bad traits however, Loki displays traits much more of a ravenclaw, rather than being ambitious, he is tactical and creative, and very smart. I agree with Ryan, that he pretends to be a slytherin, but is actually ravenclaw. But hey, that’s just my opinion
To all marvel characters the most I love is Loki himself... he's not really an evil god villain.. people just treats him that way... all he wants was love amd attention he never had...
He did murder a bunch of people and lead an alien invasion on earth
@@cadeconner519 yeaa but we all make mistakes huh?😁
@@cadeconner519 I suspect both Odin and Thor have higher body counts AND led invasions of Asgardian warriors against other worlds in the name of "keeping the peace."
@@kristinewalberg2938 thor was ready to erase the whole frost giant race in the first movie, the dude has always been a blood thirsty warrior. They just try and tone it down some for the mcu. People forget about his utter killer side because thor is shown to be a likeable idiot at times
he did had love, from his mother. Trough the films that she's in, you see her caring for him, making sure he's comfy while beng locked up etc. Its just his fathers attention he seeks, and the approval..being worthy in his eyes i think.
Why Mobius didn't get his jetski :'(
Edit: Season 2. I know
Biggest plot hole of the MCU 😤
He will get it in season eight or that would be.... Wait for it. Jumping the shark 🦈
Because the series is not over?
We will burn Marvel to the ground
@@zacharywebb7197 it’s reform his past life
The thing is that in essence your version of “Best Loki” would be the exact same as a “Best Thor” because in essence you’re just describing a hypothetical “Best King/Leader”: ie one that understands his peoples.
The treatment of Thor in Infinity War/Endgame is probably my biggest gripe about those movies. I would imagine schedules and writers and all sorts of other things behind the scenes caused the issue, but Thor just "forgets" all of his growth from Ragnarok. This effects his character in a really negative way but it also frustrated me as an audience member. "He doesn't need a hammer for lightning! And why did they give him a fake eye?!" It was to undo what Ragnarok did for the sake of the "bigger" plot. I get it but it did annoy me.
i could be wrong here so sorry if i am but doesn’t most of thor’s power come from the hammer like the flying and stuff. even in endgame where they were making the hammer and thor was gonna die and when he got the axe he got back up like nothing happened. i think the writers were trying to make thor play a bigger part in the last 2 avengers movies after ragnorak
@@lilchrizzy4554 One of the big themes of Ragnarok was Thor fully growing into the true king of Asgard. Mjolnir was destroyed, he was incapable of beating Hela, and he thought he'd basically lost his powers. During the fight with Hulk, he begins to tap into his real powers. Then during the final fight with Hela, he gets a vision from Odin asking if he's the god of thunder or the god of hammers. After that, Thor can fly, create lightning, and kick all kinds of ass. He can't beat Hela but he can lead his people to safety and a better life.
Fast forward to Infinity War and the Guardians find him after Thanos kills half the Asgardians. He gets his eye conveniently restored and he suddenly needs a weapon again. Thor was kicked around a lot in Infinity War and Endgame (he gets overconfident with Thanos and it causes the snap, he gets fat and depressed for comic effect, etc.) and I just thought it took away from his growth in his movie. Don't get me wrong, I thought IW/E were a GREAT way to wrap up years of movie making. I just felt bad for my boy, Thor. :-D
I think what happened to Thor was that when he was finally able to grow and see that he did not need a hammer, Thanos completely destroys him and leaves him for dead in the battle inside their spaceship were the Asgardians where. Not to mention, Thanos killed half of the Asgardians in there as well. This probably caused Thor to abandon the no hammer idea since it failed miserably with Thanos and set out to find a new and better hammer that could finally defeat Thanos. It almost did but he still failed so whatever Thor learned in ragnarok and endgame, it did not work for him and his people so this ultimately made him depressed and sulk around.
@@ch1000man
Sometimes life just gets you down.
Maybe that is the process of him becoming The Ruin King Thor who has lost his everything brother, sister and very good friend and may be he will loose his worthiness one day and be alone that's the Starting point of Him Becoming Ruin King Thor after being ruined. That's my theory I wish this could happen.
The question would be, would Loki really be the same person if he was an only child. You are assuming that if Loki was an only child he would still know the underbelly of the underworld, but that is not necessarily the case. He would not have the need to know it as he would have much easier life from the start. If he were to be the king you describe he would have to be chosen instead of Thor, who would have to be the same pain for Loki for all his childhood. Hard to say what would become of Thor in that case though.
I think that's why Sylvie was pruned. She would have been the perfect version of Loki because she wouldn't have had the brotherly rivalry with Thor for Odin's approval. And we know that Odin treated her different than male Loki (probably because he screwed up so bad with hela and learned from his mistakes on how to raise a daughter, but still didn't know how to raise a son) in that he did tell her she was adopted, and might have been a more nurturing and approving father for her.
Except in the end, she let her emotions guide her without thinking things through. NOT the top quality of ANYONE, let alone a ruler.
Sorry, but I don't think she can be trusted even running an HOA.
@@rsrt6910 haha, in her final state I agree:) my point is that if she turned out that way because she was pruned. If she had remained in Asgard I believe Odin would have done much better with her (since he already was) and she would have been a heroic and benevolent ruler.
@@rsrt6910 But that is after a very long time on the run.... We can not judge "present day" Sylvie without taking that in to account.
@@rsrt6910 she's been hunted since she was a kid. Her whole life had one purpose and no one would have gone that far just to give it up. Had she not been persecuted for the past 20-25 years, she would have been fine.
@UThink UCan this is all speculation, but one thing we do know from Sylvie is that Odin was treating her differently than male Loki, since he did tell her that she was adopted when she was young, and that is a huge difference from her male counterpart
Loki is one of the best characters of the MCU.
I saw he easily is, who else even compares? I haven't gotten this connected to any other character!
@@benttwig33 Not even Tony?
@@benttwig33 tony and stans cameo character are the only ones on lokis level XD
@@geogamelion7895 facts lmao i think spidey will entangle us in a web come winter though.
@@JasonArmond Tony a bit, only because eh was interesting the the vert start. Towards the end his character wasn't nearly as gripping IMO. Tom simply commands the scenes and makes you give a shita!
That’s why I loved the series so much, they showed more of him than the villain they pictured him to be, sadly, my parents still think otherwise because they don’t seem to be aware of the physiological development into these characters and they’re stories
"Without his defining character flaw, he would have been awesome." Well yeah, but that's also true of Thor, Tony Stark, Thanos...
My own personal theory is that "being raised by parents who didn't suck and turning into a good person" was the Nexus Event that made Sylvie get pruned.
But if that was the case, wouldn't the TVA apprehend Odin rather that Sylvie?
@@sidma5661 no otherwise they would have apprehended the avengers in endgame for changing the timeline and allowing loki to escape
Nah Sylvie got pruned I think cause she was supposed to be a he
@@CodeeXD I don't think so, that's not something she'd be able to control, she was probably on a track leading to her being a "successful" Loki.
@@j.pnewcomer1069 True. She loved Asgard and was already told by her parents that she was adopted. She was going to be a good child. That's where she messed up. A Loki is supposed to be the flame that ignites greatness and change in others. They themselves have to be petty and constantly lose for that to happen.
That was a lot of words for "Tom Hiddleston is daddy"
I love you.
Who'd have thought before this series came out that by the end of season 1 we would all turn into Loki stans.
@Elizabeth Bennett three steps ahead then failed miserably vs barely kept up but he came out right in the end (about Sylvie's hideout, about the TVA, about the dangerousness of HWR)
I was a Loki stan before the Loki show came out. Part of this is because of how Tom portrayed him. Yes he does horrible things but you can tell there are redeeming qualities there as well.
@Elizabeth Bennett Correct me if I’m wrong but sing the Loki show about 2012 Loki without all the growth and stuff?
@Elizabeth Bennett yall seem to forget that his character significantly changed after being subject to the TVA’s near-omnipotent power. Imagine thinking you and your kind (Asgardians) were some of the most powerful beings in the universe, only to be completely overshadowed by a bureaucratic time cop police force that uses infinity stones as paper weights. that kind of cosmic restructuring of your entire universe is gonna do a number on your psyche no matter who you are.
@Elizabeth Bennett I mean, you saw how much fear and control Thanos and his people had over Loki, and that was before he even had any of the stones
When I saw the original Thor, it was just a movie that my parents took me to and I didn't even know the title of the movie until afterward. I also knew nothing about Norse mythology. This lead me to be genuinely surprised when suddenly Loki was the "bad guy." I thought he was the sensible younger brother who was going to help his arrogant older brother become more humble or something.
I think there's a fine line between "Loki would make a better ruler" and "Loki was right". Loki's growth happened because of the influence of people around him. There's absolutely no guarantee he would have turned well if the avengers didn't stop him. Looking at his variants I'd say he's most likely to relax with time, but at what cost?
Sure he would destroy new york if Avengers didn't stop him
But who is responsible for this, I don't think loki
I guess odin and all the circumstances . He felt unjustice and then met Thanos who appear to recognise his potential .
He felt unjustice and urge to seek revenge. But what if odin has recognised his true potential and what he can do, loki sure be a better king.
@@glamorousarts2291 Of course Loki is responsible for this. Or do you want every murderer who didnt get treated well by their family to be excused for their crimes?
@@Serryy he may be responsible, depends on how u think
I'm just saying that he isn't an evil
"But who is responsible for this, I don't think loki
I guess odin and all the circumstances . He felt unjustice and then met Thanos who appear to recognise his potential ."
You said that. And do you also think Hitler isnt evil because of the trauma he had?
I fully agree that Loki would have ended the Hella arc in 0.5 seconds.
He finds out about her, her prison and figures out a way to open it... Picks up the Reality and Power Stone, open the gate, say hello, check back in 50 years to make sure.
Couple of things: It's not so much that Sylvie is ruled by her emotions, but that she's under the thrall of her Glorious Purpose, which is to find and eliminate whoever it is behind the TVA. So at the end, she's not capable of choice, of free will, because her aim is controlling her, and she can't see any other action until it's completed. At which point, she's obviously disenchanted, but it's too late.
Loki, on the other hand, is fully disenchanted with his Glorious Purpose (to be a king), so he's capable of making a choice. The problem is that he's a blank ("I don't even know what we're doing"), and has no other aim than to support Sylvie - he fights her because he sees that her aim might be as self-destructive as his own was.
(Ultimately, despite the decade of destruction we're about to witness, it might be for the best: although the TVA is *a* solution to the problem of the Multiverse, it's not necessarily the best one, and the next time the pair stand here before He Who Remains they may be able to provide a solution to the Multiverse that doesn't involve a fascist bureaucracy. The Kintsuge that the castle is made symbolises that - something that is broken, repaired with gold, that is exalted by its status as a broken and repaired thing.)
So, everybody's right!
The other thing... a family psychologist whose name eludes me posited that everyone in a family has a job, and that sometimes it's a dirty job (such as carrying ill-will for the rest of the family). Loki's job in that family is to be the villain - note the D.B. Cooper sequence, where Loki commits a hijack not because he wants to, but because Thor and Heimdall think it would be funny. It's his job in the family, and without those expectations he's able to move towards freedom. The fundamental difference between Sylvie and all the other Lokis is that she was free of the expectations of Asgard.
So, Asgard: pretty, but no place to raise a child.
dirty job => burden
NO job => purposelessness
protest => GLORIOUS purpose
Kinda like California.
Props. Or something else that means the same thing only cooler.
"Slytherin is for bad people"
Regulus: *Cries in a corner*
sadge.
I'm a Slytherin and I don't like that either. We're not all bad!
@@KristySki I'm a ravenclaw and I hate that too!
Thor is the blonde, blue eyed Varsity QB who shouldn't be school President.
So true
Nah, Thor is the blonde, blue eyed varsity QB who wants to be school president and everyone loves him so they make him president only for him to be like: Meh, this isn't for me and step down.
I was thinking the same!
@@Vossenator ^
My theory is Odin tried (and failed) to get the two brothers to rule side by side, as he says himself only one can be king of Asgard, but both are born to rule. The two brothers if raised well could have complemented each others strengths, Asgard needs a hero king for that popularity boost and willingness to sacrifice for the realm, but it also needs someone wise to actually run things. In this regard Thor would be King, but Loki would be the true ruler.
Loki for president!!
Oh wait, what timeline are we in?
The one with the advanced stage Alzhiemer's patient running the country...
There was already one with a sticker indicating that on one of the Lokis who barged in the secret hideout
@@rsrt6910 But Trump isn't president anymore...
@@ExtremeMadnessX exactly.
@@rsrt6910 ah yes I forgot there’s only one country on earth
I really like this theory! The only concern I have is that in the "best Loki" scenario wherein he receives the praise and throne as he desire, who's to say he won't turn out as another Thor? The Loki we know is a product of his upbringing. Giving him anything else may fundamentally change his personality and or beliefs. I guess it goes back to the notion of fate. It's hard to change someone's fate. But if you manage to, are you always still that same someone?
Thor as the ceremonial king and Loki as the prime minister. That way Thor can be all over the galaxy doing his thing and Loki can rule day to day. Heimdall keeps an eye on Lokii and if things get out of hand he contacts Thor. Simple as that.
Nope. If Thor improved himself and acted like a good son, TVA pruned. If Oden hugged his son, TVA pruned.
I don't see any fault of loki there
This don't change the fact that he is better king
the tva ruins all these “what if” things lmaooo
@@sewykik5004 not anymore
@Richter multiverse is already started, the timeline is too far out, tva cant prune it anymore
@Richter are you under the impression that the MCU is going to revert back to a single timeline?
Though Loki may be on the Ravenclaw side or the Syltherin side, he actually has the characteristics of all the houses:
Gryffindor: Loki has shown bravery on multiple occasions, like standing up to Thanos
Syltherin: Loki is a cunning silvertongue with great ambition to prove himself
Ravenclaw: Loki is a very intelligent and creative person in his schemes and plans like the ones for the Battle of New York
Hufflepuff: Loki is loyal to those people who trust him - like Frigga and Sylvie
It is almost like the Hogwarts houses are arbitrary and categorize people using a hammer. Being not much different than a horoscope. People are complex and won't fit in boxes.
@@Ikajo exactly
The personalities of people might even change during the course of the Hogwarts years. Like a person once loyal and trustworthy could later become conniving and dishonest but still remain in Hufflepuff
@@chaoticlokis Considering they are kids being raised by other kids? Either they would change in rejection, or they would conform strongly to expectations. No one seems to realise how young the students are and how bad it is that all of the adults are teachers. Normally, boarding schools have adults separate from the teachers to act as a dormitory parent to the students.
Odin sucks at fathering. Messed up his daughter undocked her away, Thor somehow got into a mindset loop of how the title of king is better than the duties of it, and the whole time Loki just sits there getting smarter by the day. WHAT ARE YOU DOING ODIN? Loki deserved MUCH BETTER. And he would've been a better king.
Well, loki should have raised his daugther hel better, along with fenris, the world serpent and odins horse, as they are all lokis children :) odin did not raise loki, as he is not odins son or adoptive son... Mabey sif should not have betrayed thor, and slept with loki, then she would have had her own hair ;)
I really liked this study of Loki. I’m looking forward to season 2 of his show.
But if Loki had the love and support of his parents, he wouldn't need to know all those secret pathways because he wouldn't have had to cause mischief to gain attention. So he wouldn't get to know the people of the underworld or the underground. So in that sense, would he have turned out just like Thor?
@UThink UCan How so? It says he would have been a great leader because of all his knowledge about all the secret pathways, which means he knew a lot about the people living in the underworld. But he got all of that knowledge only because Odin never paid him any "love and affection" and had to create mischief to gain attention. Meanwhile, Thor got it and was ignorant about the plight of those people. So if Loki had the same upbringing, he would've been as ignorant, right? I'm sure he wouldn't turn out exactly like Thor but that would've still made a significant impact.
@Elizabeth Bennett Yeah, you're right. I didn't think about how Loki's personality was different.
There are too many factors and possibilities for Loki to change if things went differently in movies for Loki or if his father did things differently. Either way he is stunted and like he can't grow and change because he is either gonna die or get abducted and disposed of as a variant.