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Great Thesis!! Very Intriguing to a person who does t know alot about Dr Doom. i really wish Disney would take the time to fill in all these plot holes and stories that didnt seem to make sense during the Infinity saga. I would be awesome StoryTelling tying together alot of these Stories that seemed to go unanswered since the “blipp” and filling it with Dr Doom Under storya d his rise would be a FANTASTIC idea instead of spending several yrs trying to explain it in saga 5,6&7. Use That time to explain how these universes are collapsing and the rising threat as we lead up to secret wars
@@neonclouds9295 To be fair, they said "these TH-cam theorists", not SC specifically. I took that to mean a consulting team made up of theorists like SC and others. I like that Feige is the constant for the entire franchise because with something this big, you really need that. But it's SO big that they could use a "continuity team". Who better than dedicated nerds who like to pick apart the lore?
This literally could be an entire origin movie for Dr. Doom. Make this his own movie and it would be awesome to have them weave the events of past MCU movies into this. See it all connected! This is how we could see our favorite characters/actors again!
I've been saying this, although with Apocalypse, that we should get a villain story arc, but you know nothing about who it is. Then boom. Find out it's a marvel movie
Maybe they should take a page from Sony's book and give Dr Doom his own MCU movie covering his life up until he takes on the Dr Doom alter ego. It would work better since his story would actually be connected to the MCU
@@HissoriRendaor just simply DOOM. Format wise it would be similar to the Hannibal Lecter movie (except written way better) and would be akin to a King Arthur story but evil. They can use more grandiose music throughout the movie and then can blast some MF DOOM at the end credits
@@kingbooomer9231 I was trying to make reference to the idea it would be an origin so the Von falls away as he becomes the Doctor Love the MF DOOM idea
@TheLaymanPang oh I agree, but I'm saying it would work better this way cause everyone wants Doom to have his time to shine and be fleshed out thoroughly. It would also have some sort of pay off cause we'd see him go up against the heroes in the MCU. Sony's movies don't work cause they make shitty movies that aren't very connected to each other and are missing the most important character of that universe 😆
I literally just laughed out loud. Not only did you use RDJ as an archetype for your suggestion, you proceeded to then use Pascal. Only being rumored amongst a bevy of other actors, the outcome was my absolute amusement. Fingers crossed for Murphy.
@@SloRush they can bro and im not even sarcastic about itt try it yourself too if you ever plan on making a video i make my own videos so i know first hand especially when i handled making the videos of other creators
it's a marketing tactic for the video and highly recommend to change the thumbnail whenever necessary ESPECIALLY when a very RELEVANT event occured (in this case, Dr Doom's face reveal) so that people would click on the video (you included).
@@sov4956 With the way Marvel has been flopping, crashing and burning with multiple projects lately at the box office (not Deadpool 3 of course), and with the loss of confidence everyone has with the property, I don't think he has much of a choice. Either he listens to fans and does what they want, or Marvel will keep crashing
Not sure if you’ll see this Ryan but you and your team are incredible. Great theories, amazing breakdowns, so much in depth knowledge. Makes every day a little better. 🙌
Hard agree. This channel, and a few others, have published theories and potential story arcs for the MCU that would have been incredible trajectories for the multiverse saga. I rip my hair out over here When I read things like that from Bob iger who said "not enough executives on set" is the reason all of this MCU output has fallen flat 🤦 (Hint, Bob: STORY).
It can work but at some point marvel needs to let things be separate concepts. Doombots are doombots and Ultron was Ultron. Hank Pym was a genius scientist too, Doom wouldn't borrow others genius that would admit defeat and his ego wouldn't allow that. He could build doombots better than Ultron bots. Like Dr strange eye of agomotto being separate from the time stone. I didn't like they merged them making the eye useless in new fans eyes. Just my thoughts but I do agree that it would fit in the MCU and work. But would Dr doom really do that? We won't get Ultron fighting doombots if they are the same thing. It takes away from the marvel we know n love.
I totally get what you're saying. Doom is, indeed, egotistical to an insane degree. However, he is also pragmatic. He might repurpose the Ultron drones to take Latveria, then promptly melt them down and make his own. LOL
@@TheKnightArgent I get it and never meant to dismiss the thought. It's just getting old to me as a life long marvel fan that we can't have characters be themselves. We have to repurpose them into MCU which is one universe amongst the multiverse ya know. Ultron bots are cool but so we're the doombots infact doombots werent one version he made many different sizes, form and function differs based on the job. Plus doom made clones of him that think they're doom another type of machine. It actually takes away from what victor von doom is and has been to make him tied to Ultron or reliant on who built Ultron. It would be better but f Ultron came to Doom and had help with upgrades to defeat avengers. But again why would doom help when he wants to take over. I'm thinking beyond the current MCU and pointing out all the great ideas from comics we aren't seeing yet. That's where my head was at respectfully whatever they do ill watch and be optimistic n hopeful .
I'm at the point where I don't get excited for the mashups of characters or mixing three comic stories into one movie since the MCU might be destroyed then reset anyway. I guess it takes pressure off the changes made since it can be reset but also why care when it gets erased? I've been looking forward to the day we marvel fans can see these stories come to life and we finally do marvel short changes us . Doom and secret wars looks to be setting up a reset of the MCU.
Dr. Doom almost needs his own movie to fully tell his backstory and motivations. Of all the projects coming up and don’t see him appearing too often to gain audience support of who he is.
I thought your theory was great and it could definitely work if the MCU doesn’t rush it. Edit: If they were going to make this work I feel like doctor doom would need his own solo movie
@@JonahBEYBLADE definitely but I think theories like this and other TH-cam’s like den of nerds put out creates unrealistic expectations for these studios then when these outlandish theories don’t come true it’s “ marvel fucking sucks “
Why not both? A show to set the character building etc and a payoff movie after the fact. Maybe a reveal like the one of Thanos on his chair or something.
Nope it needs to be a series of movies with diff heroes finding there own path then come together like the avengers, THAT is why we fell in love with the MCU, and they could finally have a female hero(except Natasha and bw) to have their own character arc of development instead of a marry sue that can do anything better then anyone else 👌
It would be nice if there was a show coming about Doom's origins. Maybe in the form of diares with witches and Darkhold and Aubrey Plaza as Mefisto preferably...
@@P.M_M dnno, kitty pryde, Monica Rambeau maybe ironheart I would like Monica Rambeau, story has allot of potential and could be altered if needed to fit a good narrative
It makes more sense to have him as the big bad of next saga in a marvel ultimate alliance type of story then bring in galactus for a quick cameo at the end of the saga in a post credit scene and set up the following saga
The biggest failure of post-Endgame MCU was not pushing how chaotic the universe would be before and after everyone blipped back. It perfectly facilitates the need and circumstances of an increase vigilantes. The Defenders (despite preceding Infinity War) should have been set during the 5 years after the Snap.
WOW! Chills! These were some great ideas - well constructed and laid out. Fingeres crossed that some assistant to Kevin has your channel on notification!
It is important to remember the before the modern origin story of Kang, in the earlier appearances it was implied that Kang was just an older version of Dr Doom, or maybe was either his father or descendant. It wasn't not until after the introduction of Nathanal Richards, Reed's father, that it was revealed that Kang was a Richards and not a Von Doom.
I usually don't like theories too much, but I absolutely Love this one!! Only thing is, when they do introduce Dr. Doom it 100% has to be in his own movie or show! Thanx for what you do, Mr Arey! ...and Doug!
I only watched this video after the recent announcement that RDJ is playing Dr. Doom. A lot of people think he'll be a Stark variant, but what if Ryan's right and Dr. Doom has been in the MCU all along? What if he is actually Stark from 616? When watching this video, I heard so much of Doom's origin that's similar to Stark's. Losing his parents, Wanda not using a spell on Stark in AoU because he already spiralled out of control, finding out who killed his parents, seeing government oversight and heroes like Cap fail. It would be an amazing villain arc, right under our noses. The only problem would be his death, but would that be a problem? An easy solution would be an LMD, but that would mean it was a worthless sacrifice. I submit that Wanda brings him back to help find her kids (before MoM), using the Darkhold. But this revival isn't entirely succesful, hence the mask. Also, the dark magic could only return the dark elements of Stark's psyche, effectively desecrating Stark's grave and memory. Wanda could've simply hid him in Latveria or Sokovia, where he rose to power.
Came in here to say I realized rdj as doctor doom was planned from the get go... At least since the making of endgame. Just was deciding to rewatch endgame and noticed when tony is recording himself talking with his broken mask... I noticed his iron man helmt looks like a variant of what would be a mask or helmet for doctor doom.
Loved this. The hardest part of bringing Doctor Doom to the MCU is nailing how big of a deal the guy is. I think you've got a line on doing that. I also think Doom deserves a solo flick before he's used as a villain. He should never be portrayed as a pure-evil villain. He should be more like an anti-hero, and low key treated with the gravitas of a cosmic entity. As in Doom isn't treated as a big deal in universe by the various MCU characters--instead he's constantly, wildly underestimated and 12 steps ahead. And he should do heroic shit. Latveria in particular--Doom should be shown to be the good guy, the hero for Latveria, no bullshit, no cop-outs, no strings. His relationships with Reed and Stark should come after he's established. And at the big end of whatever they choose to do, the next Endgame moment, Doctor Doom should show up and steal the show, then screw up due to ego, be partially beaten by his own hubris, standard Doom storytelling, Reed at the obvious blame position. But he should be the one to clap a Galactus, or punk out all the Kangs you can gather, or push off the Skrulls--whatever Marvel does = make the heroes all choke and it be Doom who saves the day... and then proceeds to overplay his hand, fuck it all up, get mad, monologue, and finally reveal its not even Doom himself, its a Doombot. Real Victor is after credits, obviously. This fucker's body doubles are the heavy hitters in the MCU. That's the note to end the next Endgame on. This man's Kmart clone can kneel the gods... but he's also completely high on his own farts too. Hello MCU, we've got a Tony Stark-tier dude who is already tainted, already a bit too evil, but just as capable. Running a nation. 2nd Doom solo film should be the journey into hell to save his mom, co-starring Wanda and Strange both, same gist as the comic source, same ending. Then plan long-long term. Doom won't be off the field for the next 10 phases, etch it in stone at MCU HQ. He's not the big bad of it all, he's the asshole you need to beat the big bad of it all. Thanos just got lucky with timing--2 years later and Doom would have handled that shit AND got himself a sweet Infinity Gauntlet.
I'm surprised you didn't add the footnote about the Doctor from the beginning of Wakanda Forever being someone from Doom's nation, and probably being his chief scientist who was out in the ocean looking for their own source of vibranium. It seems like the only concrete connection there is, explicitly, so to speak.
Absolutely amazing work. You seem like you saw the future. I hope that the writer/s of the new Avengers movies are as brilliant as you while writing the scripts.
Dr.Doom killing Black Panther, trying to steal Wakanda's resources, trying to control Wanda through magic and being at the end just a guy who wants to save his mother is EXACTLY the foundation to the great villain we need at Doomsday!!!
I do admire the effort you put into these speculations on behalf of Marvel. Of course the biggest question is, will Marvel allow Doom to keep his mask on at all times, or will it be popping on and off as quickly as Spidey’s and Tony’s do?
Could all be from universe 1610 the mirror universe of 616 where this all happened but he ends up in 616 somehow ( maybe in the events of no way home) making victor still just a variant of Tony but different story and different outcome
Right. Doom is not just the Big Bad of one Phase or even one Saga. He's multiple Sagas. Doom is the poster villain of Marvel. What Superman is to superheroes, Doom is to supervillains. As Ryan says above: Doom is the GREATEST supervillain.
unreal clicking on a video and seeing the director of the french woods film department balling out on youtube. i hope you're doing well ryan and thank you for your based vibes at camp!
Dr. Doom is the apex predator of villainy in the Marvel Universe. He will fight anyone, and he is most dangerous to anyone or anything that has more power than he does. His own power is substantial enough to pose a threat to anyone who might try to challenge or attack him, regardless of their level of power. He is the villain that all other villains should look up to...
Absolutely correct. Doom is to supervillains what Superman is to superheroes. Doom is also THE poster villain of Marvel. He's not a jobber, not a one-film baddie, not a one-Phase baddie, and not a one-saga baddie. Doom is the GOAT.
@@BibleAlivePresentations Well said... The fact that lowly Doombots have given the majority of Marvel heroes a tough time means that none of them go looking to take on the genuine article. Even really mean dogs know not to mess with meaner dogs...
Kevin Feige needs to call you asap before the next Avengers movies go full on into production. This aged super well. Your theories are always awesome and this should be the story they lead with in doomsday👍
This actually restored my faith in marvel, and that maybe they really have had a plan the whole time. The issue with phase 4 is it felt like they didn’t have a direction to go in but they’ve really just been building other characters while waiting to release secret wars.
Wow ! Dude you never cease to amaze me with your research and theories and I absolutely love Doug ❤ I think it's fascinating to think that doom was behind the scenes pulling the strings all along. Makes sense to me!
All these theories when the answer is so simple. The Russos are back and doing a Winter Soldier.. again! Tony didnt 'die' in Endgame. He was 'killed' by the gauntlet via cosmic energy. His body is imbued with the cosmic energy (like viktor) and you dont see what happened to his body. Hes revived by the cosmic energy, disfigured at the end of endgame (just like Viktor) and may not remember his life as Tony. He has access to finances and resources and he created Ultron & Jarvis but now creates Doombots. Different mask, same task, armor the world AGAINST the avengers. Viktor Von Doom is cosmic imbued dark Tony. Yawn.. Disneys desperate ploy to get RDJ back
This would've been amazing. I know they're going the alternate timeline route, but it would be great if they used some of these ideas for his own timeline
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He has a great backstory. But marvel will eff it up by casting an aborigine to play him. Perhaps even a female one.
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Did he mean the machines that Ultron built? 13:00 He said "machines Doom built"
Great Thesis!! Very Intriguing to a person who does t know alot about Dr Doom. i really wish Disney would take the time to fill in all these plot holes and stories that didnt seem to make sense during the Infinity saga. I would be awesome StoryTelling tying together alot of these Stories that seemed to go unanswered since the “blipp” and filling it with Dr Doom Under storya d his rise would be a FANTASTIC idea instead of spending several yrs trying to explain it in saga 5,6&7. Use That time to explain how these universes are collapsing and the rising threat as we lead up to secret wars
Kang was a overpowered villain
“No older than Tony stark” aged insanely well!!!
FOR REAL
Came here to say that lol
i thought that haha😂
More like tequila because whine takes year’s tequila takes months
He can see things before they happen, it’s a Jedi trait
Well this aged like a fine wine sir.
broo! i went back here after that rdj's announcement. the thumbnail says it all 😂
I also came here to say this
@@CBelleBBelle💯
Yea buddy killed this 🔥
I was gonna comment this if no one had lol this couldn't have aged better
They need these youtube theorists in a writers room. 99% of these theories are so much better than what actually comes to fruition.
It's almost like Kevin Feige isn't the Golden God they make him out to be.
But how can they promote identity politics?
You're definitely giving screen crush way too much credit
@@neonclouds9295 To be fair, they said "these TH-cam theorists", not SC specifically. I took that to mean a consulting team made up of theorists like SC and others. I like that Feige is the constant for the entire franchise because with something this big, you really need that. But it's SO big that they could use a "continuity team". Who better than dedicated nerds who like to pick apart the lore?
@@maironamakesstuff agreed
Who's here after RDJ got casted as Dr.Doom?
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damn
Oh for sure
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Me lol
Finally. A (random) TH-cam content creator who makes sense & is well-researched. Not just venting & cursing for 22 minutes.
Ryan knows quite a bit about the comics. Always been a top level channel to watch.
Ryan (and ScreenCrush) isn't really just some random TH-cam content creator.
@@nissan_skyline (Thus my parenthesis.)
@@nissan_skyline I understood the (random) as I've never heard of this channel and just watched this video for the first time.
This literally could be an entire origin movie for Dr. Doom. Make this his own movie and it would be awesome to have them weave the events of past MCU movies into this. See it all connected! This is how we could see our favorite characters/actors again!
That's the point of this video. You just said, "Do the thing the guy in the video already said!"
would be a great origin movie --> unless they go M-SHE-U Cartman mode TO make him a chic, and make Doom a gay, HaHaHa!
it would be a trash movie , this is why you're not a director and they are
I've been saying this, although with Apocalypse, that we should get a villain story arc, but you know nothing about who it is. Then boom. Find out it's a marvel movie
It would be awesome if the F4's intro to the MCU is as background secondary antagonists to Doom in his movie.
Maybe they should take a page from Sony's book and give Dr Doom his own MCU movie covering his life up until he takes on the Dr Doom alter ego. It would work better since his story would actually be connected to the MCU
VON DOOM
Its the perfect title
@@HissoriRendaor just simply DOOM. Format wise it would be similar to the Hannibal Lecter movie (except written way better) and would be akin to a King Arthur story but evil. They can use more grandiose music throughout the movie and then can blast some MF DOOM at the end credits
@@kingbooomer9231 I was trying to make reference to the idea it would be an origin so the Von falls away as he becomes the Doctor
Love the MF DOOM idea
I don’t think the MCU should try to do anything close to what Sony has done. Sony can’t make movies.
@TheLaymanPang oh I agree, but I'm saying it would work better this way cause everyone wants Doom to have his time to shine and be fleshed out thoroughly. It would also have some sort of pay off cause we'd see him go up against the heroes in the MCU. Sony's movies don't work cause they make shitty movies that aren't very connected to each other and are missing the most important character of that universe 😆
I literally just laughed out loud. Not only did you use RDJ as an archetype for your suggestion, you proceeded to then use Pascal. Only being rumored amongst a bevy of other actors, the outcome was my absolute amusement. Fingers crossed for Murphy.
Well..
@@blacknoir606 well...
Rdj was cast as doom lol
Pascal was a given tho
I would like to see Murphy as a villain in the mcu but RDJ is back
The Thumbnail predicted RDJ portraying Dr Doom of the MCU😲😲😲
id agree with you fam, but you can edit thumbnails even from old videos 🥹
Did he though?
It's not like they can change a video thumbnail whenever they want.
@@SloRush they can bro and im not even sarcastic about itt
try it yourself too if you ever plan on making a video
i make my own videos so i know first hand especially when i handled making the videos of other creators
it's a marketing tactic for the video and highly recommend to change the thumbnail whenever necessary ESPECIALLY when a very RELEVANT event occured (in this case, Dr Doom's face reveal) so that people would click on the video (you included).
Who came here after RDJ is Dr Doom
I thought the video was new until I looked down & seen 6 months😂😂 ago
@@KhalilWhite-eb6gbsame here!
Yeah the whole picture of RDJ the fact that literally every other video was talking about it. I really thought this was SC new vid on the subject 😅
@@stevenbryant9097he most likely updated the video with a new thumbnail and new tags that readded it to the algorithm
I freaking love these breakdowns. It’s like listening to a “what if” episode as a radio play. Your enthusiasm is palpable
I agree it is definitely palatable
Yes !!
Their secret invasion one was too good!
And then they fucking COME TRUE
Also Victor could be Sonny Burch's anonymous buyer of Pym technology in Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Doom. Dooom Dooooooom
Yea I second that cos they never gave us who was behind it all
@@decypherdjabson1815 I think it was Mysterio
@@theenderkeeper1534mysterio wasn't going for Quantum tech. It would make much more sense to be Doctor Doom
@RipUSA2020 true, but he did want stark technology
Kevin Feige himself must have seen this video, giving him the idea to call Robert Downy Jnr again... Haha
doubt that
Possible but it is also a good sign that he is listening to fans
@@sov4956 With the way Marvel has been flopping, crashing and burning with multiple projects lately at the box office (not Deadpool 3 of course), and with the loss of confidence everyone has with the property, I don't think he has much of a choice. Either he listens to fans and does what they want, or Marvel will keep crashing
The fact that you had Doom and RDJ in the thumbnail is mind blowing after the recent news of RDJ returning to the MCU as Victor.
They edited the thumbnail
He's not Victor. He's Tony Stark Doom. It's stupid.
That is how companies make hype, it was planned earlier, posted later then announced 😁
@@JeremyKenny-h9p it just your assumption right? There's still no news about the plot yet
Idk it would make sense, but everything ive read said thats not what they are doing. RdJ will be Victor@JeremyKenny-h9p
The fact that this popped up on my timeline right after RDJ was casted is insane to me
Not sure if you’ll see this Ryan but you and your team are incredible. Great theories, amazing breakdowns, so much in depth knowledge. Makes every day a little better. 🙌
Hard agree. This channel, and a few others, have published theories and potential story arcs for the MCU that would have been incredible trajectories for the multiverse saga. I rip my hair out over here When I read things like that from Bob iger who said "not enough executives on set" is the reason all of this MCU output has fallen flat 🤦 (Hint, Bob: STORY).
This. Theory. ROCKS.
Especially love the idea that the Ultron bots became Doombots.
It can work but at some point marvel needs to let things be separate concepts. Doombots are doombots and Ultron was Ultron. Hank Pym was a genius scientist too, Doom wouldn't borrow others genius that would admit defeat and his ego wouldn't allow that. He could build doombots better than Ultron bots. Like Dr strange eye of agomotto being separate from the time stone. I didn't like they merged them making the eye useless in new fans eyes. Just my thoughts but I do agree that it would fit in the MCU and work. But would Dr doom really do that? We won't get Ultron fighting doombots if they are the same thing. It takes away from the marvel we know n love.
I totally get what you're saying. Doom is, indeed, egotistical to an insane degree. However, he is also pragmatic. He might repurpose the Ultron drones to take Latveria, then promptly melt them down and make his own. LOL
@@TheKnightArgent I get it and never meant to dismiss the thought. It's just getting old to me as a life long marvel fan that we can't have characters be themselves. We have to repurpose them into MCU which is one universe amongst the multiverse ya know. Ultron bots are cool but so we're the doombots infact doombots werent one version he made many different sizes, form and function differs based on the job. Plus doom made clones of him that think they're doom another type of machine. It actually takes away from what victor von doom is and has been to make him tied to Ultron or reliant on who built Ultron. It would be better but f Ultron came to Doom and had help with upgrades to defeat avengers. But again why would doom help when he wants to take over. I'm thinking beyond the current MCU and pointing out all the great ideas from comics we aren't seeing yet. That's where my head was at respectfully whatever they do ill watch and be optimistic n hopeful .
This sounds like the "Reverse Flash was behind everything in the DCEU reveal" that came out last year. dafuq
I'm at the point where I don't get excited for the mashups of characters or mixing three comic stories into one movie since the MCU might be destroyed then reset anyway. I guess it takes pressure off the changes made since it can be reset but also why care when it gets erased? I've been looking forward to the day we marvel fans can see these stories come to life and we finally do marvel short changes us . Doom and secret wars looks to be setting up a reset of the MCU.
6 months later… We out here cooking big!
RDJ: I see a metal suit of armor around the world that hits different coming from Dr. Doom
If Doom has been pulling the strings the whole time, then Marvel might actually be able to redeem themselves.
Well well well, would you look at THAT!
Doom did have it together but he was Tony and he Died therefore killing the MCU, now it's gonna be back on top with Doom lol
I wish I had as much faith in the MCU’s storytelling as Ryan does haha. Great vid!
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Dr. Doom almost needs his own movie to fully tell his backstory and motivations. Of all the projects coming up and don’t see him appearing too often to gain audience support of who he is.
It could be a kick ass series if done right
Doom needs his own trilogy. It should be how the MCU ends.
Guys, you are not going to believe this...
@@dybiosol😭😭😭
Do you think Doom should be the big bad of the MCU?
I thought your theory was great and it could definitely work if the MCU doesn’t rush it.
Edit: If they were going to make this work I feel like doctor doom would need his own solo movie
No just cold swapping villains because one failed is terrible and retconning events to say “ it was doom all along” is also dumb n desperate
True but you do have to admit he put in a lot of effort making the theory and fitting doom in the MCU
@@JonahBEYBLADE definitely but I think theories like this and other TH-cam’s like den of nerds put out creates unrealistic expectations for these studios then when these outlandish theories don’t come true it’s “ marvel fucking sucks “
Yes
I thought this was a new vid but saw its 6 months old. This was very well predicted
How perfect considering Doom is official now with nobody better than RDJ wearing the mask
I love it. So damn excited for Doom and I really hope that Marvel pulls a whole “Doom stops Kang in his tracks and becomes the main threat” shift
A lot of people are saying this should be a movie, but there's so much character building that this has to be a show
Why not both? A show to set the character building etc and a payoff movie after the fact. Maybe a reveal like the one of Thanos on his chair or something.
Nope it needs to be a series of movies with diff heroes finding there own path then come together like the avengers, THAT is why we fell in love with the MCU, and they could finally have a female hero(except Natasha and bw) to have their own character arc of development instead of a marry sue that can do anything better then anyone else 👌
@@jeffreyvandenabeel9400 which female hero tho ?
It would be nice if there was a show coming about Doom's origins. Maybe in the form of diares with witches and Darkhold and Aubrey Plaza as Mefisto preferably...
@@P.M_M dnno, kitty pryde, Monica Rambeau maybe ironheart I would like Monica Rambeau, story has allot of potential and could be altered if needed to fit a good narrative
woahhhh man that thumbnail aged like a veryyy fine wine
In the original comics, Kang was always thought to be some kind of "Dr. Doom from the future".
Everytime he says 'all along' i think of key and peele 'all along, all along, all along'
I heard “salvage all those parts from Age of Ultron” and thought “Doombots!”
It makes more sense to have him as the big bad of next saga in a marvel ultimate alliance type of story then bring in galactus for a quick cameo at the end of the saga in a post credit scene and set up the following saga
The biggest failure of post-Endgame MCU was not pushing how chaotic the universe would be before and after everyone blipped back.
It perfectly facilitates the need and circumstances of an increase vigilantes. The Defenders (despite preceding Infinity War) should have been set during the 5 years after the Snap.
after today's announcement....i got extreme chills watching this lol
*video starts:* 4:42
@ScreenCrush I think this is one of Ryan's best videos... GREAT WORK!
WOW! Chills! These were some great ideas - well constructed and laid out. Fingeres crossed that some assistant to Kevin has your channel on notification!
It is important to remember the before the modern origin story of Kang, in the earlier appearances it was implied that Kang was just an older version of Dr Doom, or maybe was either his father or descendant. It wasn't not until after the introduction of Nathanal Richards, Reed's father, that it was revealed that Kang was a Richards and not a Von Doom.
First time I've cared about an mcu theory in a long time
5:13 aged so well wtf
I usually don't like theories too much, but I absolutely Love this one!! Only thing is, when they do introduce Dr. Doom it 100% has to be in his own movie or show! Thanx for what you do, Mr Arey! ...and Doug!
I LOVE THIS! We need more fan-fiction/what-if videos from you guys! This is so creative and my mind is blown!
What if Bruce Banner was the Weapon X experiment and we got Hulkavine
Who else watched this after RDJ was playing Doom?
Me
No I'm watching it before
THIS IS INSANEEEEEEE!🔥🔥incredible work
I only watched this video after the recent announcement that RDJ is playing Dr. Doom. A lot of people think he'll be a Stark variant, but what if Ryan's right and Dr. Doom has been in the MCU all along? What if he is actually Stark from 616? When watching this video, I heard so much of Doom's origin that's similar to Stark's. Losing his parents, Wanda not using a spell on Stark in AoU because he already spiralled out of control, finding out who killed his parents, seeing government oversight and heroes like Cap fail. It would be an amazing villain arc, right under our noses.
The only problem would be his death, but would that be a problem? An easy solution would be an LMD, but that would mean it was a worthless sacrifice. I submit that Wanda brings him back to help find her kids (before MoM), using the Darkhold. But this revival isn't entirely succesful, hence the mask. Also, the dark magic could only return the dark elements of Stark's psyche, effectively desecrating Stark's grave and memory. Wanda could've simply hid him in Latveria or Sokovia, where he rose to power.
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This was an awesome speculative journey of the MCU... I can dig this direction of him being behind the scenes!
Came in here to say I realized rdj as doctor doom was planned from the get go... At least since the making of endgame. Just was deciding to rewatch endgame and noticed when tony is recording himself talking with his broken mask... I noticed his iron man helmt looks like a variant of what would be a mask or helmet for doctor doom.
Loved this. The hardest part of bringing Doctor Doom to the MCU is nailing how big of a deal the guy is. I think you've got a line on doing that.
I also think Doom deserves a solo flick before he's used as a villain. He should never be portrayed as a pure-evil villain. He should be more like an anti-hero, and low key treated with the gravitas of a cosmic entity. As in Doom isn't treated as a big deal in universe by the various MCU characters--instead he's constantly, wildly underestimated and 12 steps ahead. And he should do heroic shit. Latveria in particular--Doom should be shown to be the good guy, the hero for Latveria, no bullshit, no cop-outs, no strings. His relationships with Reed and Stark should come after he's established. And at the big end of whatever they choose to do, the next Endgame moment, Doctor Doom should show up and steal the show, then screw up due to ego, be partially beaten by his own hubris, standard Doom storytelling, Reed at the obvious blame position. But he should be the one to clap a Galactus, or punk out all the Kangs you can gather, or push off the Skrulls--whatever Marvel does = make the heroes all choke and it be Doom who saves the day... and then proceeds to overplay his hand, fuck it all up, get mad, monologue, and finally reveal its not even Doom himself, its a Doombot. Real Victor is after credits, obviously.
This fucker's body doubles are the heavy hitters in the MCU. That's the note to end the next Endgame on. This man's Kmart clone can kneel the gods... but he's also completely high on his own farts too. Hello MCU, we've got a Tony Stark-tier dude who is already tainted, already a bit too evil, but just as capable. Running a nation. 2nd Doom solo film should be the journey into hell to save his mom, co-starring Wanda and Strange both, same gist as the comic source, same ending.
Then plan long-long term. Doom won't be off the field for the next 10 phases, etch it in stone at MCU HQ. He's not the big bad of it all, he's the asshole you need to beat the big bad of it all. Thanos just got lucky with timing--2 years later and Doom would have handled that shit AND got himself a sweet Infinity Gauntlet.
You HAVE to acknowledge and give yourself props for how spot on this was somewhere 😭
I'm surprised you didn't add the footnote about the Doctor from the beginning of Wakanda Forever being someone from Doom's nation, and probably being his chief scientist who was out in the ocean looking for their own source of vibranium.
It seems like the only concrete connection there is, explicitly, so to speak.
That would be contradictory,as it's Namor people who attack the ship as supposed to Namor close with Doom
Who’s here after the RDJ announcement? 🤚🏻
Me. By algorithm
Absolutely amazing work. You seem like you saw the future. I hope that the writer/s of the new Avengers movies are as brilliant as you while writing the scripts.
Loved every idea here, but Disney would never go that deep into the story like that.
I am here because RDJr. will be playing Doom. I came from the future.
This video proves screencrush gets info early. The thumbnail gives it away lmao
I got this video recommended to me at just the perfect moment 👏🤩
Marvel truly needs to hire fans like you to write the stories. Directors aren’t writers, their adapters. They need a story to adapt
Dr.Doom killing Black Panther, trying to steal Wakanda's resources, trying to control Wanda through magic and being at the end just a guy who wants to save his mother is EXACTLY the foundation to the great villain we need at Doomsday!!!
I do admire the effort you put into these speculations on behalf of Marvel. Of course the biggest question is, will Marvel allow Doom to keep his mask on at all times, or will it be popping on and off as quickly as Spidey’s and Tony’s do?
Crazy now that RDJ is doctor doom.. so I wonder what the new updated video will be out about theory’s..
Could all be from universe 1610 the mirror universe of 616 where this all happened but he ends up in 616 somehow ( maybe in the events of no way home) making victor still just a variant of Tony but different story and different outcome
doom is that guy who believes in both science and magic
With Doom, it barely matters if he was snapped or not. A Doombot could just stand in for him and continue his plans in his absence.
Because of you, I now have incredibly high expectations for MARVEL. Doom was already my favorite character, and now I need this to be his canon story.
Came here after the reveal to say you were right.
Well well well..this aged perfectly
How?
@@Towey8 doom is the next big bad for mcu
@@natecausey969 omg
What if... Tony stark didn't make it all the way back from the portal in the first avengers?
This was a refreshing view on "Von Doom" and his possible re-vision. Very Dope Outlook
Good job SC! This held up nicely 😊
Anyone else here after RDJ's new roll of Dr. Doom got announced last night???
We all are, let’s be real.
no its just you, pls collect your medal
Cillian as doom is such an great idea i need him
I'd down to see this ngl. If they do introduce Dr. Doom soon, I think they'll keep him alive after Secret Wars.
Right. Doom is not just the Big Bad of one Phase or even one Saga. He's multiple Sagas. Doom is the poster villain of Marvel. What Superman is to superheroes, Doom is to supervillains. As Ryan says above: Doom is the GREATEST supervillain.
@@BibleAlivePresentations agreed
unreal clicking on a video and seeing the director of the french woods film department balling out on youtube. i hope you're doing well ryan and thank you for your based vibes at camp!
Diney Exec's- "Write that down write that down!!!"
Oh man, I bet Agatha All Along takes place in Latveria
now that we know RDJ is Doom, this is going to be weird.
Why? He's from a different universe
Dr. Doom is the apex predator of villainy in the Marvel Universe. He will fight anyone, and he is most dangerous to anyone or anything that has more power than he does. His own power is substantial enough to pose a threat to anyone who might try to challenge or attack him, regardless of their level of power. He is the villain that all other villains should look up to...
He's the inevitability of relentlessness and cunning!!
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Yeah, he's the epitome of what nobody should want to mess with...
Absolutely correct. Doom is to supervillains what Superman is to superheroes. Doom is also THE poster villain of Marvel. He's not a jobber, not a one-film baddie, not a one-Phase baddie, and not a one-saga baddie. Doom is the GOAT.
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Well said...
The fact that lowly Doombots have given the majority of Marvel heroes a tough time means that none of them go looking to take on the genuine article. Even really mean dogs know not to mess with meaner dogs...
Genuinely didn’t realize how old this vid was at first. Thought the thumbnail was a nod at RDJ’s casting, not a prophecy of it😂😂😂
Interesting take... especially with the new info that's out
Well this aged amazingly
How?
This would work really well as a limited series. I could not imagine all of this in a movie
Why can't you imagine that pretty hopeless
@@zaneoneill2045 🤦♂️
It can be a movie but it all depends on who’s writing the story and how it should be portrayed
@@decypherdjabson1815doctor doom doesn’t need a movie at all, he just needs hints or post credit scenes at the end of other mcu movies building him up
Now you can sue Marvel for stealing your story idea and retire
Kevin Feige needs to call you asap before the next Avengers movies go full on into production. This aged super well. Your theories are always awesome and this should be the story they lead with in doomsday👍
This actually restored my faith in marvel, and that maybe they really have had a plan the whole time. The issue with phase 4 is it felt like they didn’t have a direction to go in but they’ve really just been building other characters while waiting to release secret wars.
Watching this after the announcement...
Robert Downey Jr for no reason:
Cillian Murphy would have been perfect for the DOOM. Too bad they butchered it🫤
You’re right bro but rdj will kill this
Finally. 🎉 Good to see ryan and screen crush getting some new followers. Hes one of the best
Wow ! Dude you never cease to amaze me with your research and theories and I absolutely love Doug ❤ I think it's fascinating to think that doom was behind the scenes pulling the strings all along. Makes sense to me!
You guys are time travels
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@@Towey8 they predicted dr doom..?
Well this aged well 😂
All these theories when the answer is so simple. The Russos are back and doing a Winter Soldier.. again! Tony didnt 'die' in Endgame. He was 'killed' by the gauntlet via cosmic energy. His body is imbued with the cosmic energy (like viktor) and you dont see what happened to his body. Hes revived by the cosmic energy, disfigured at the end of endgame (just like Viktor) and may not remember his life as Tony. He has access to finances and resources and he created Ultron & Jarvis but now creates Doombots. Different mask, same task, armor the world AGAINST the avengers. Viktor Von Doom is cosmic imbued dark Tony. Yawn.. Disneys desperate ploy to get RDJ back
That is actually one of the best theories I have ever heard.
So grateful for the work poured into this !!! Thank you screen rant team for this inspired theory , i was giddy ! Lol
This would've been amazing. I know they're going the alternate timeline route, but it would be great if they used some of these ideas for his own timeline
Well do I have a news for you
Victor von Stark
Sounds better than Tony Doom 💀
RDJ as Doom is gonna be great
Bro made full movie out of thin air, amazing video 💯
I really enjoy your content, and your puppy is too cute!!!!!😁😁😁😁