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I sit by the theory that Ego was what happened when a Celestial failed to mature because of a lack of life on a planet, but still awoke, and ended up bonding with the planet to survive.
Yeah pretty much, a celestial egg merging with the planet it was supposed to have devoured and went rogue but still with the celestial drive to seed the universe.
@6 Wayss The humanoid Ego is really just in the MCU. In the comics Ego's core is just a smaller spherical core with his face on it, unless it has changed since I stopped reading Marvel comics
I saw a theory somewhere that he was a celestial egg in a planet devoured by Galactus the planet eating guy and he was accidently not digested. It caused him to awaken prematurely. I think this is more likely but I have no clue lol
They should also include that Knull is coming as well. Erishem said it himself, before the Celestials and them creating light, the universe was a dark reflection of itself, a void. In the comics, this was a void that Knull ruled over.
Remembered at the end of the venom 2, venom was gonna share the mind of symbiote hive at the end. I'm pretty sure knull will be introduce probably after Kang
Are we forgetting Ego's own explanation of his history? He didn't start out as a planet. He was a brain floating in space. Seems like he could have just been a celestial that was defeated in some kind of battle and left for dead. At some point, his brain healed enough to awaken but with his memory lost.
Yeah it’s really about that simple. I think his emergence went wrong and all the life he needed vanished before he could grow. Everyone thought he was a dead seed and left. Poor dude.
Maybe he was an almost formed Celestial who's planet was destroyed by random event. He was never born but still ready to be and healed from that state.
@@sauce8277 saw it but my reply was adding more to the physical state of his birth "egg." All the life dying wouldn't cause him to end up drifting in space with no planet. It would lead to a undeveloped Celestial. Whether that would just pause deployment or eventually kill the Celestial idk. The planet he was incubating in had to be destroyed to fit the entire Ego narration of his coming to exist. So I was suggesting an event had lead to a premature birth that destroyed his planet, not just the life dying.
Is it not possible that Ego is like Agent Smith in The Matrix? An anomaly among the Celestials. That ended up deciding he didn't want to just be what the Celestials wanted him to be. And in taking over every planet in existence, he's fighting against the Celestials by removing them and stopping them from ever being born.
Moving forward until told otherwise: 1) Thanos' knew killing half was enough to starve all the unhatched celestials. 2) Ego was planted into a planet that blew up, so he 'evolved' into something different. 3) Galactus will be a Celestial for simplicity, but he will as the video stated, consume other 'clelestial egg planets'
Unfortunatly galactus is not a celestial he comes from the 6th universe before the celestials created the 7th as we know it.He was infact a standard explorer that merged with the gods there at the end of the 6th iteration
@@_mdebeer_ yeah, but considering they are/have already changed lots of stuff from comics -> movies they might change him as well.....as long as he isn't a cloud again xD Also I hope they do at least make him big, maybe Eson level big, but maybe not Tiamut/Arishem
I’m so on board with this theory. If something comes close to this happening I will praise screencrush and wonder if they perhaps secretly possess the time stone
I think the only reason Peter's celestial powers worked and the others didn't is because Ego received the others before they had finished their version of what we call puberty, and since Yondu kept Peter, he was allowed to fully mature which would also allow his Celestial abilities to appear whereas Ego's other Hybrid kids were probably taken around the same age as Peter, either before the Maturing process or near the beginning and since they hadn't completed it like Peter did, they never gained access to their Celestial side
Makes thanos plan make a whole lot more sense now seeing as in the mcu they revealed starfox makin thanos a half eternal half deviant(titan) in the mcu
@@SoloSaga It's possible they are organic and just built by Arishem. Or maybe the Eternals on Earth are a later model after an earlier, biological model was deemed a failure just like the Deviants. Arishem lied to all but the prime Eternal about the true nature of the Deviants and Eternals, so it's not exactly a stretch that he'd lie about that as well.
I mean... I see where you are going with this, however Galactus has also been known to feed not just on planets but other OP cosmic and magical beings, so a Celestial brain floating through the cosmos may easily be something worth devouring when the great hunger is upon him.
Also people need to realize that Galactus consumes energy not physically consume planets. When he was in the Dark Dimension he was taking magical energy from beings which allowed him to jump from smaller demons all the way up to Dormammu. And in the outer universe he would consume celestial energy stored within planets. Galactus is really misunderstood as just a cosmic destroyer, but he way more complex
There's a Fantastic 4 series on Disney+. In that series is an episode where Galactus and Ego battle. Galactus wins that battle because the Fantastic help him. So Ego can take on Galactus.
You are assuming that Ego was telling the truth, and not claiming godhood in order to help win Peter over. Or that he even knows WHAT he is, and just claims he is a celestial to be a part of something, to avoid loneliness.
This is a good point, but considering how little Ego thought of the GotG, Star lord included, I'm not sure he would have found it necessary to lie to them on this particular issue.
@@superevolvedshinamalgamleo8168 You mean to tell me that Uatu, a member of an omniscient multidimensional race, doesn’t know what Ego is and just calls Ego a Celestial because Uatu was lonely?
I like your Galactus Endgame Arc. It's pretty existential, they'd have to make it super simple, but I like it. And bring the Fantastic Four in of course
Galactus will be teased in a mid or end credits scene, most likely in Thor, Guardians, Adam Warlock, or Doctor Strange but won’t really come to the forefront until Fantastic Four (and Doctor Doom) are introduced first.
Did Star Lard really lose his “ego-ness” when Ego’s brain was killed? Most of the 2nd 1/2 of this video blew far over my head and I’ll have to watch it a few more times. Could Galactus have any interest in Peter Quill? Don’t laugh. I know it’s probably a silly question. I’m not a comic reader. ✌️💚
Fuck the negative reviews. I've seen it twice in Imax. This film was a beautiful piece of art. Also maybe ego is what Celestial looks like outside of armor
Iccarus literally went and flew into the sun because fuck half decent story writing (they used the Iccarus line earlier on in the movie too) , the deviants weren't even a challenge, the entire show revolved around pc-ness to get it by instead of it standing on its own 2 legs since they knew it was a failure. It was literally clickbait as a movie.
Given the size of this channel, I really hope either Kevin Feige or the Marvel writing teams are aware of it and ponder all these questions. You guys have a lot of good ideas.
Ego was a creation by Arishem but his Ego was so big, he called himself a Celestial. Similar to Elon Musk having paypal and tesla sign a contract that requires them to refer to him as a founder.
@@kittybrowneye3163 Ok maybe not the best but I think people will grow a new appreciation of it when some of these ideas come to light. Also it's: "you're"
tbh i think it was not a good movie at all. Not only the story, but also how they filmed it and if you compare it to inifinity war or endgame, it is miles behind (thanks to Chloé Zhao?)
@@renoyapici Nothing can beat Endgame., I agree. But I enjoyed Eternals for the ideas. I can't argue with so many negative reviews from fans and critics. But I enjoyed it for what it is. If you want me to rank it amongst other MCU films, yeah its low, but I like to think of it as its own thing. Just like how Jack Kirby never wanted to integrate the comic into the Marvel Universe. I guess I liked it more for the ideas and what it sets up than the actual movie. But I wouldn't say it was worse than Thor 2.
I'm fine with the theory, although considering what happened with the deviants AND the eternals, I'd say that yes, the Celestials are that dumb, likely because they have literally all of the time in the universe, so they don't see failures as significant issues in their masterplan, failures are just new data, much like the eternal's boss guy pretty much said so at the end of the movie
I like the thought of Galactus being introduced as the devourer specifically of Celestial-seeded worlds. And I can buy the theory that Ego was an experimental step in the Celestials' evolution, enacted as an answer to Galactus. I actually think that would sync well in line with the lowkey running theme the Guardians films have explored regarding the pitfalls of forced evolution (1. Rocket as the most scared of all within the group (according to his counterpart, Yondu) because he's been engineered into a new, uncertain state of personhood by way of what experimentation was done to him, 2. Peter turning down the choice to receive cosmic insight and bond with the light in full because doing so would've only deprived him of the greater connection to those he loved - a connection with which he identifies on a very human, non-godly level, 3. the impending trouble wrought by the inevitably premature development of Adam, set to appear in the third film). The part I have an issue reconciling is the theory that Ego was actually unwittingly doing the Celestials' bidding by "double-seeding" their planets of choice. It just feels clunky. Like there are too many overlapping variables that need to line up in a row to make the same buns come out of the same ovens. I get the sense Ego will be explained as an intentional creation exactly as posited in this video, but then that's when I think random chance takes over, as it often does in actual evolution. I think somehow, someway, Ego was abandoned by the Celestials after being deemed insufficient as a viable "next step" for them. I imagine they would've been disinclined to kill a being which is technically one of their own. So in classic Celestial grand-scale-calculus fashion, they decided it wasn't worth it to nurture a perceived failure but also opted to let him live and make his own way (continuing, though not quite mirroring, the inadvertent orphan theme shared with his son). But perhaps they didn't anticipate his evolving the ability to seed other planets via organic extensions of himself, just as they did not anticipate the evolution of their own deviants. So Ego goes off the rails, showing up on thousands of planets and doing the only thing life has taught him to do thus far: create more life. I think his ends ran oppositional to the Celestials' plan, though. And I think Quill and Co. taking out Ego was actually doing Arishem a favor. Just a guess though.
While classic storytelling frames good vs. evil, I think the MCU has done a good job framing a struggle between order vs. chaos. With a few evil henchmen thrown in to keep it interesting to all audiences. Greco-Roman mythology covered the order/chaos subject before human knowledge developed to a point where we didn't need gods to explain the unexplainable. Galactus as Top Predator maintains order by preying on Celestials to ensure life doesn't overrun the universe and gobble up all the resources. @screencrush has a theory that Ego creates camouflage that hides Celestial embryos from getting eaten, in keeping with the predator/prey relationship there. If the universe is in balance like an ecosystem, then Galactus eats just the right amount of Celestials to keep the universe from overpopulating, while Celestials need to constantly innovate to make sure Galactus goes hungry and life continues. Galactus would, therefore, also need to evolve to survive. Balance is the delicate Order in which life thrives, but if either side gains too much advantage for long enough, then the imbalance will be irreversible, and Chaos results. With the introduction of the multiverse and time travel, MCU writers in the next phase should consider Galactus as a traveler between universes (extra-universal?) and needs to come to ours because the Celestials have begun toying with timelines and multiverse conflicts here in a way (peaceful or otherwise) that threatens the balance that has existed for billions of years. Only the Avengers would have the intelligence, strength, and spirit to restore balance in a way that preserves our planet, or this time our whole universe.
They will wait to return to Tiamat and him walking up till the X-men are established so they can use Kitty Pride to phase him out of the planet. All the while a fistfight between Galactus and Arishem the judge goes on in the background, and once Tiamat is out Galactus can no longer feed.
Maybe EGO was just another celestial seed that was in the first phases of growing (into a giant brain for starters), but then for some reason unknown his planet got destroyed... Yet all the material of the planet was nearby...
I really like this theory. I would love to see one version of Kang team up with the Avengers to step into a battle of Celestials vs Galactus. Also, this theory makes me really interested in seeing how Gorr the God Butcher is used. It feels like he'd be on Team Galactus.
Where from Odin got his power then Power that can cast worthyness spells Doc Strange geta the power from other dimension but Odins powers has no explaination
@@omiyohossain8951 No Doramamu is out of this universe in a place where laws of physics in this universe doeant work Dark Dimension said to have no time Our dimension has a way of its time work so it branches into multiple realities or time linea or universes Other dimensions are Dark dimension Quantum realm End of time (kangs castle) TVA Cellestials even has varients as they are universal level Doramamu ,Kang are multiversal level
@@Jon-6969 probably Gorr The God Butcher upcoming in Thor a retcon to Knull the creator of the sword. With Venom in the MCU it could go that direction.
Ego is what is referred to by physicists as a Boltzman brain. its a thought experiment about quantum fluctuations and probability that helps put infinity into perspective.
I really don't care if there are holes in this Theory, I really want to see this made into the MCU. It would be so cool cause they can make it soooooo damn good
Personal theory: Ego is the balance to the Eternals. Throughout MCU we see agents of balance. While Galactis is feeding off the Eternals seed or straight up taking them in battle, he has no way of reproducing. This means that the balance could be thrown off if/when he is killed. That necessitates Ego. A force that can destroy to the Eternals while not in direct battle as his power is tied to his source. Assuming part of what he stated is true, blowing up the planet only freed his consciousness from the confines of a rocky planet and he is now again drifting along until he reconstitutes himself in another planet form. Peter on the other hand is the evolution of Ego. He is not tethered to the source planet as Ego is. He is able to stay away without dying. This could mean that his powers, while not equal to Ego's may be more able to feed off other sources.
A Multiverse of finite universes makes for an interesting story, especially if they merge into an infinite universe at the end with varied life instead of various outcomes and possibilities.
Galactics has heralds .. what if Thanos was His 1St Herald?!?!? And he was doing His biddings which would give him insight to the future! And that was explain his mental shift.. the Demi god Thanos was just a pawn and he knew it
Hmmm...it's within the silver to bronze comic timeline & brushed over in the unpopular movie F4: Rise of The Silver Surfer, but Norrin Radd ultimately uses the "surf-board" to blow Galactus to bits. It's more "multiverse" stuff...but it was a story arc that cannot be overlooked.
This theory isn’t a good one.. I’m leaning on the idea that Ego lied about being a celestial… In the comics he’s given people powers and boosts like the silver surfer in silver surfer black. The surfer alone could annihilate a planet which is only a tiny portion of the power cosmic. There’s no way in hell Ego could keep up with the likes of galactus let alone the surfer in power. Multiple Celestials could possibly slow down galactus but a well fed galactus is damn near unstoppable and realistically has to either be led to another planet to consume or gets threatened by the ultimate nullifier (which is an extension of galactus’ full power) which Reed Richards wiped out an entire universe with. So no ego has no place among characters who would pose a threat to Galactus.
Revisiting this video after a long while, and I have a question about this theory. If the Celestials could have just popped up to stop someone like Ego from destroying their plan, what about the other universe shown in What If...? where Ultron just obliterates everything? Is that a universe that just didn't have Celestials to stop him? Were they just too slow to get to earth in time before he grew too powerful? What about the potential repercussions that Infinity Ultron would have caused for Galactus?
good theory. it also fits that earth now has a dead baby celestial in its ocean. so instead of silver surfer having to convince galactus to skip over earth because people deserve to live, he just has to convince him that planets without celestial seeds won't taste as good.
Half-celestial demigod: Wanda. Wandavision totally retconned her origin from Age of Ultron, stating that the reason that the bomb didn't kill her and Pietro as kids was because she actually had her power back then and kept it from exploding. The Mind Stone and Hydra's experiments only awakened/augmented her powers. Even if Mutants enter the MCU it won't matter, because the comics retconned Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver anyway. They are Magneto's adopted kids, and aren't actually mutants.
Odin, the Pheonix Force, Zeus, and a couple others come to mind as possibly on Starlords level when it comes to characters who are extremely strong and could be some kind children of Celestials. Add in Chthon and other big baddies too. I still think Kang is the focus of phase 4, because he has numerous versions and keeps coming back in the comics, but Galactus or Doom will come along and be in phase 5.
Idk I think ego's plan is in his name, and I think his plan to seed and shape the cosmos in his image was to use seeds like tiamut as a cosmic battery, once ego absorbs the planet essentially absorbing tiamut and other unbirthed celestials making ego the strongest and all powerful to finally create a universe in his own image.
Fun fan franchise theory.... Tiamet is actually Unicron. Being that the transformers comics were written by marvel, there is a link to the MCU. Also if that holds then transformers in there metallic form ate made of vibranium and the original celestials are the quintessons.
I would think that Galactus NOT feeding on planets with celestial seed is more plausible. Since now there's no celestial living/growing on earth, it NOW opens up an attack by Galactus
After kang, this is the phase 5 villain. Kang. gets killed except he who remains, our universe seams the same, but phase 5 reaveals than the multiverse reset had one change that leads to galactic dying and a true reaset, unless the heroes stop the galactic v celestials war.
I think the answer to Ego’s status as a Celestial is a lot simpler. He’s a Celestial in larva stage. The planetary shell he embodies is just a stage of development before he forms his armor exoskeleton. As for Peter, I think he might not be Ego’s son in the typical biological sense. Celestials can create living bodies and imbue them with Celestial power, like the eternals. I think it may turn out that Peter is a lot more like a half human/half eternal hybrid than half Celestial. That is why Peter lost his power when Ego died, it was always Ego’s power being channeled through him
Interesting theory, though unlikely. If we go to look for "Celestial kids" in the MCU then there's not a lot of options among the characters presented so far. In the comics, Thor is the son of the primordial god, Gaia who conspired with Odin to create an especially powerful Asgardian champion. Gaia is a physical representation of the Earth, and so an easy answer if you're fishing for a Celesti-kid would be Thor. But at this point it would dramatically change the character. You could use one of Thor's brothers, like Baldur or Loki (whom we have never seen an established birth mother for), but we probably won't be adding too much Asgard lore, now that their homeworld is gone. Instead, I'd look to the next Thor movie where he apparently reaches Olympus and sees Zeus. If we're talking famous Olympians tied in with Thor to the comics, then we're definitely talking about his good buddy and rival, the Prince of Power himself, Hercules. Hercules, assuming he gets introduced would be a fantastic option for the Celesti-kid theory. Hercules is always established as a demi-god even in myth, his father is famously Zeus but his mother is less well known by the general public, so it would be a comparatively easier change. Otherwise I'd say Bruce Banner, but that would take a lot of explaining.
In Marvel cannon when I was a kid I read the fantastic Four comics. Galactus originally was here before our universe was created. he was the only survivor of the previous universe and needed to feed on our universe to survive. I don't know if He has been retconned since then because I don't read comics any longer.
As ego expands he collects knowledge so even if he did take over everything that would instantly make everything equally intelligent so to speak it would probably make the birthing process of these celestials faster than normal because ego would retain all the knowledge he overtook
On the low-key I think ego is nowhere. He battled with arishem due to egos plans for universal domination and had his physical body destroyed. His "first" memory is just when he first awoke after the battle.
oh my god its right there. the celestial seed needs SENTIENT LIFE!..... ego spreading himself thorought the entire planet puts a lot of highly intelligent matter everywhere. massive simultaneous births.... an army...
Pretty sure Peter was drawing his power from EGO, as EGO is destroyed so is Peters powers, i think its explained in the movie, he was able to hold the powerstone in the first movie, because EGO was still alive
I would love this and if they’re bringing in galactic it would be a great opportunity to bring in the fantastic four, for me it would bring it all right back around to the beginning. Thanks rock on
hi man, fantastic video, i like it so much. i want to ask u something. do u remember Dormammu? i dont know but his power looks so familiar to Ego. he came from another universe where time doesn't exist (i think that his plan worked instead of Ego's plan, and the time stops only because he eated all matter in his universe, no other osservation, no needing time.) let me know if u understood me and what u tinhk about it. keep going.
I think they’ll simply retcon Egos story by saying he wasn’t actually a celestial but a failed and lost experiment by the skrull attempting to create themselves a new world or something
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One thought though. I could have sworn Ego said everyone but Starlord was a failure.
Ego was only successful at creating one offspring.
Great indepth analysis, much apreciated and enjoyed ! Thank you
That’s mest up they copy this off annunaki the movie that was banned and not release. Shit crazzy
@@007slugga9 bruvvvvvvvvv pleas I even use some of that as inspiration for the game I’m designing
I sit by the theory that Ego was what happened when a Celestial failed to mature because of a lack of life on a planet, but still awoke, and ended up bonding with the planet to survive.
That sounds amazing and easy to digest 👍🏽
Yeah pretty much, a celestial egg merging with the planet it was supposed to have devoured and went rogue but still with the celestial drive to seed the universe.
@6 Wayss He created an avatar of himself
@6 Wayss The humanoid Ego is really just in the MCU. In the comics Ego's core is just a smaller spherical core with his face on it, unless it has changed since I stopped reading Marvel comics
I saw a theory somewhere that he was a celestial egg in a planet devoured by Galactus the planet eating guy and he was accidently not digested. It caused him to awaken prematurely. I think this is more likely but I have no clue lol
They should also include that Knull is coming as well. Erishem said it himself, before the Celestials and them creating light, the universe was a dark reflection of itself, a void. In the comics, this was a void that Knull ruled over.
Remembered at the end of the venom 2, venom was gonna share the mind of symbiote hive at the end. I'm pretty sure knull will be introduce probably after Kang
If indeed Christian Bale is playing Gorr and they introduce the All-Black, we know where that leads.
Plus in the comics knull was the one that beheaded one celestial creating the planet nowhere and that place is in the mcu
It doesn't mean that knull "is coming" though. It's just an easter egg
@@Red1Green2Blue3 I really want this though. Fully dive into the symbiotes and cosmic beings
Are we forgetting Ego's own explanation of his history? He didn't start out as a planet. He was a brain floating in space. Seems like he could have just been a celestial that was defeated in some kind of battle and left for dead. At some point, his brain healed enough to awaken but with his memory lost.
Yeah it’s really about that simple. I think his emergence went wrong and all the life he needed vanished before he could grow. Everyone thought he was a dead seed and left. Poor dude.
for what i know celestials came in different forms take alter ego for example which is ego's brother who looks like a planet as well.
Maybe he was an almost formed Celestial who's planet was destroyed by random event. He was never born but still ready to be and healed from that state.
@@jacobnash7127 I just said that. :(
(lol I know you didn't see it)
@@sauce8277 saw it but my reply was adding more to the physical state of his birth "egg." All the life dying wouldn't cause him to end up drifting in space with no planet.
It would lead to a undeveloped Celestial. Whether that would just pause deployment or eventually kill the Celestial idk.
The planet he was incubating in had to be destroyed to fit the entire Ego narration of his coming to exist.
So I was suggesting an event had lead to a premature birth that destroyed his planet, not just the life dying.
Is it not possible that Ego is like Agent Smith in The Matrix? An anomaly among the Celestials. That ended up deciding he didn't want to just be what the Celestials wanted him to be. And in taking over every planet in existence, he's fighting against the Celestials by removing them and stopping them from ever being born.
I like this theory. Nice comparison
Moving forward until told otherwise:
1) Thanos' knew killing half was enough to starve all the unhatched celestials.
2) Ego was planted into a planet that blew up, so he 'evolved' into something different.
3) Galactus will be a Celestial for simplicity, but he will as the video stated, consume other 'clelestial egg planets'
For #2, so are you saying that ego was basically a premature birth of a celestial? Only the brain developed? That's why he was just a floating brain?
Galactus eats Babies just say it
Unfortunatly galactus is not a celestial he comes from the 6th universe before the celestials created the 7th as we know it.He was infact a standard explorer that merged with the gods there at the end of the 6th iteration
@@_mdebeer_ yeah, but considering they are/have already changed lots of stuff from comics -> movies they might change him as well.....as long as he isn't a cloud again xD
Also I hope they do at least make him big, maybe Eson level big, but maybe not Tiamut/Arishem
Why does everyone want #1 to be a thing so bad,, makes zero sense and it’s pretty lame.
Celestials should remain a RARE event. Just like getting a legendary in Clash Royale.
I like this theory a lot. I just think it’s too complex for a movie, but I can see these factors playing out similarly just in a simpler way.
To be fair, its likely going to be told over the course of 10-20 movies like the infinity stones, with the last two movies just being the big fight.
@@vannareyne6336 that’s true!
I’m so on board with this theory. If something comes close to this happening I will praise screencrush and wonder if they perhaps secretly possess the time stone
Maybe they could explain the background in a show like what if
I think the only reason Peter's celestial powers worked and the others didn't is because Ego received the others before they had finished their version of what we call puberty, and since Yondu kept Peter, he was allowed to fully mature which would also allow his Celestial abilities to appear whereas Ego's other Hybrid kids were probably taken around the same age as Peter, either before the Maturing process or near the beginning and since they hadn't completed it like Peter did, they never gained access to their Celestial side
What If? : Good guess, but sorry.
Makes thanos plan make a whole lot more sense now seeing as in the mcu they revealed starfox makin thanos a half eternal half deviant(titan) in the mcu
Thanos full eternal he just had a deviant gene activated as all eternals have it’s just he’s a mutant
@@princebealalthe2nd622 not a mutant just has a dormant deviant gene. Full eternal. But no telling what's going on with them being mechanical
@@SoloSaga It's possible they are organic and just built by Arishem. Or maybe the Eternals on Earth are a later model after an earlier, biological model was deemed a failure just like the Deviants. Arishem lied to all but the prime Eternal about the true nature of the Deviants and Eternals, so it's not exactly a stretch that he'd lie about that as well.
@@landshark1215 oh no, yeah he lied about everything probably
@@SoloSaga you are both saying the same thing - his dna mutated so he’s a mutant eternal
The only problem would be Galactus may just figure things out and eventually just go after brains.
I mean... I see where you are going with this, however Galactus has also been known to feed not just on planets but other OP cosmic and magical beings, so a Celestial brain floating through the cosmos may easily be something worth devouring when the great hunger is upon him.
Also people need to realize that Galactus consumes energy not physically consume planets. When he was in the Dark Dimension he was taking magical energy from beings which allowed him to jump from smaller demons all the way up to Dormammu. And in the outer universe he would consume celestial energy stored within planets. Galactus is really misunderstood as just a cosmic destroyer, but he way more complex
Galactus hasn't been introduced to the MCU yet, there's no reason to expect they'll stick to the comics.
@@TheAlexcassun They'll likely try to stay close as the Celestials being birthed from planets was used in the comics as well.
There's a Fantastic 4 series on Disney+. In that series is an episode where Galactus and Ego battle. Galactus wins that battle because the Fantastic help him. So Ego can take on Galactus.
@@morrgorrgames566 Yes I remember that episode. Thor I believe was also in that episode
I used to run a movie rental shop back in the day and the vibe on your set is nostalgic to say the least
17:08 They introduced Galactus in Fantastic Four with Sliver Suffer.
You are assuming that Ego was telling the truth, and not claiming godhood in order to help win Peter over. Or that he even knows WHAT he is, and just claims he is a celestial to be a part of something, to avoid loneliness.
This is a good point, but considering how little Ego thought of the GotG, Star lord included, I'm not sure he would have found it necessary to lie to them on this particular issue.
In the What If series, doesn’t Uatu the Watcher refer to Ego as a celestial?
@@gihon3288 i think he doesnt know what he is he says he is celestial to not get lonely
@@superevolvedshinamalgamleo8168 You mean to tell me that Uatu, a member of an omniscient multidimensional race, doesn’t know what Ego is and just calls Ego a Celestial because Uatu was lonely?
@@gihon3288 i mean ego was lonely so he calls himself celestial so uatu calls him celestial
I like your Galactus Endgame Arc. It's pretty existential, they'd have to make it super simple, but I like it. And bring the Fantastic Four in of course
Galactus will be teased in a mid or end credits scene, most likely in Thor, Guardians, Adam Warlock, or Doctor Strange but won’t really come to the forefront until Fantastic Four (and Doctor Doom) are introduced first.
Did Star Lard really lose his “ego-ness” when Ego’s brain was killed? Most of the 2nd 1/2 of this video blew far over my head and I’ll have to watch it a few more times. Could Galactus have any interest in Peter Quill? Don’t laugh. I know it’s probably a silly question. I’m not a comic reader. ✌️💚
James Gunn has confirmed it on twitter
@@monty6491 that he lost his powers for good?
@@FutureMan420Blazer that sucks
@@monty6491 thank goodness
The movie certainly implied that. Ego offered him power and immortality and he turned it down.
Good god you linked up the Death Star Death plan, clip/killing ego clip FLAWLESSLY 🤩
Fuck the negative reviews. I've seen it twice in Imax. This film was a beautiful piece of art. Also maybe ego is what Celestial looks like outside of armor
It wasn't bad, but it was middle of the road for me. Just popcorn fluff that likely didn't matter overall beyond introducing Celestials into the mix.
The planet was his armour
Iccarus literally went and flew into the sun because fuck half decent story writing (they used the Iccarus line earlier on in the movie too) , the deviants weren't even a challenge, the entire show revolved around pc-ness to get it by instead of it standing on its own 2 legs since they knew it was a failure. It was literally clickbait as a movie.
Given the size of this channel, I really hope either Kevin Feige or the Marvel writing teams are aware of it and ponder all these questions. You guys have a lot of good ideas.
In the heroes reborn saga, Ashema the listener revealed her true self - as an energy being, the armor is just the shell.
Say wattttttttttt now
Ego was a creation by Arishem but his Ego was so big, he called himself a Celestial. Similar to Elon Musk having paypal and tesla sign a contract that requires them to refer to him as a founder.
10:03 the intelligence that went "behind" that quick cut joke is why I believe there is hope for humanity
This makes sense. I've long thought Ego seemed angry at the celestials. The Frankenstein's monster of the celestials.
THIS is why I loved Eternals! The layers on layers! If all this comes to pass ETERNALS will be the best post-Endgame MCU movie.
Your in a vast minority there
@@kittybrowneye3163 Ok maybe not the best but I think people will grow a new appreciation of it when some of these ideas come to light.
Also it's: "you're"
tbh i think it was not a good movie at all. Not only the story, but also how they filmed it and if you compare it to inifinity war or endgame, it is miles behind (thanks to Chloé Zhao?)
@@renoyapici Nothing can beat Endgame., I agree. But I enjoyed Eternals for the ideas. I can't argue with so many negative reviews from fans and critics. But I enjoyed it for what it is. If you want me to rank it amongst other MCU films, yeah its low, but I like to think of it as its own thing. Just like how Jack Kirby never wanted to integrate the comic into the Marvel Universe. I guess I liked it more for the ideas and what it sets up than the actual movie. But I wouldn't say it was worse than Thor 2.
@@CaseyLau infinity war was better than end game change my mind
I'm fine with the theory, although considering what happened with the deviants AND the eternals, I'd say that yes, the Celestials are that dumb, likely because they have literally all of the time in the universe, so they don't see failures as significant issues in their masterplan, failures are just new data, much like the eternal's boss guy pretty much said so at the end of the movie
I like the thought of Galactus being introduced as the devourer specifically of Celestial-seeded worlds. And I can buy the theory that Ego was an experimental step in the Celestials' evolution, enacted as an answer to Galactus. I actually think that would sync well in line with the lowkey running theme the Guardians films have explored regarding the pitfalls of forced evolution (1. Rocket as the most scared of all within the group (according to his counterpart, Yondu) because he's been engineered into a new, uncertain state of personhood by way of what experimentation was done to him, 2. Peter turning down the choice to receive cosmic insight and bond with the light in full because doing so would've only deprived him of the greater connection to those he loved - a connection with which he identifies on a very human, non-godly level, 3. the impending trouble wrought by the inevitably premature development of Adam, set to appear in the third film). The part I have an issue reconciling is the theory that Ego was actually unwittingly doing the Celestials' bidding by "double-seeding" their planets of choice. It just feels clunky. Like there are too many overlapping variables that need to line up in a row to make the same buns come out of the same ovens. I get the sense Ego will be explained as an intentional creation exactly as posited in this video, but then that's when I think random chance takes over, as it often does in actual evolution. I think somehow, someway, Ego was abandoned by the Celestials after being deemed insufficient as a viable "next step" for them. I imagine they would've been disinclined to kill a being which is technically one of their own. So in classic Celestial grand-scale-calculus fashion, they decided it wasn't worth it to nurture a perceived failure but also opted to let him live and make his own way (continuing, though not quite mirroring, the inadvertent orphan theme shared with his son). But perhaps they didn't anticipate his evolving the ability to seed other planets via organic extensions of himself, just as they did not anticipate the evolution of their own deviants. So Ego goes off the rails, showing up on thousands of planets and doing the only thing life has taught him to do thus far: create more life. I think his ends ran oppositional to the Celestials' plan, though. And I think Quill and Co. taking out Ego was actually doing Arishem a favor. Just a guess though.
While classic storytelling frames good vs. evil, I think the MCU has done a good job framing a struggle between order vs. chaos. With a few evil henchmen thrown in to keep it interesting to all audiences. Greco-Roman mythology covered the order/chaos subject before human knowledge developed to a point where we didn't need gods to explain the unexplainable. Galactus as Top Predator maintains order by preying on Celestials to ensure life doesn't overrun the universe and gobble up all the resources. @screencrush has a theory that Ego creates camouflage that hides Celestial embryos from getting eaten, in keeping with the predator/prey relationship there. If the universe is in balance like an ecosystem, then Galactus eats just the right amount of Celestials to keep the universe from overpopulating, while Celestials need to constantly innovate to make sure Galactus goes hungry and life continues. Galactus would, therefore, also need to evolve to survive. Balance is the delicate Order in which life thrives, but if either side gains too much advantage for long enough, then the imbalance will be irreversible, and Chaos results. With the introduction of the multiverse and time travel, MCU writers in the next phase should consider Galactus as a traveler between universes (extra-universal?) and needs to come to ours because the Celestials have begun toying with timelines and multiverse conflicts here in a way (peaceful or otherwise) that threatens the balance that has existed for billions of years. Only the Avengers would have the intelligence, strength, and spirit to restore balance in a way that preserves our planet, or this time our whole universe.
They will wait to return to Tiamat and him walking up till the X-men are established so they can use Kitty Pride to phase him out of the planet. All the while a fistfight between Galactus and Arishem the judge goes on in the background, and once Tiamat is out Galactus can no longer feed.
U comments this somewhere before
you’re calling it so well that honestly this should be marked with spoilers LOL
I always describe Ego as a Psuedo-Celestial. Either a half/half or a lesser being but still in that god tier.
I recall not being a fan of Earth X (and it's sequels), but now I feel the need to reread them and give them a second chance. Thanks Ryan!
Maybe EGO was just another celestial seed that was in the first phases of growing (into a giant brain for starters), but then for some reason unknown his planet got destroyed... Yet all the material of the planet was nearby...
I really like this theory. I would love to see one version of Kang team up with the Avengers to step into a battle of Celestials vs Galactus. Also, this theory makes me really interested in seeing how Gorr the God Butcher is used. It feels like he'd be on Team Galactus.
7:05 Yup nothing goes wrong
I love how everyone knows what a celestial is but no one cares about them and just stops them or delay the emegergence
Check out the song about Galactus by Johnny Void, "The Hunger". Awesome tune!
Hawkeye: We're fighting a planet-eating cosmic being and I have a bow and arrow, none of these make sense
Who else could be a celestial demigod?
Starlord. Who?
Where from Odin got his power then
Power that can cast worthyness spells
Doc Strange geta the power from other dimension but Odins powers has no explaination
perhaps dormammu. the dark dimension could be some type of pocket dimension like the one strange supreme created to trap zola and killmonger.
Paul rudd
@@omiyohossain8951 No Doramamu is out of this universe in a place where laws of physics in this universe doeant work
Dark Dimension said to have no time
Our dimension has a way of its time work so it branches into multiple realities or time linea or universes
Other dimensions are Dark dimension
Quantum realm End of time (kangs castle) TVA
Cellestials even has varients as they are universal level Doramamu ,Kang are multiversal level
2:32 absolutely gold.
Ego might originally be the decapitated Celestial that is now Knowhere.
i concur... knowhere holds life, like a planet. among other reasons why im convinced of this.
Nice. The remaining brain of a celestial slain by galactus.
@@Jon-6969 probably Gorr The God Butcher upcoming in Thor a retcon to Knull the creator of the sword. With Venom in the MCU it could go that direction.
Ego is what is referred to by physicists as a Boltzman brain. its a thought experiment about quantum fluctuations and probability that helps put infinity into perspective.
Can't wait for the fantastic four movie and to see Galactus in the mcu
Its crazy how deep the marvel lore is man this is why i love marvel.
Absolutely love this theory! Thanks for all your efforts btw!
Vibranium meteor being tiamut seed makes sooo much sense dude.
I really don't care if there are holes in this Theory, I really want to see this made into the MCU. It would be so cool cause they can make it soooooo damn good
Thought provoking question, if not brought up already, Was the Celestial’s creating life to try to perfect the process before creating Ego.
James Gunn is gonna love this
Your explanation REALLY makes sense.
Marvel needs to hire this guy
I love this. Please write for the MCU
This was great, and I think an accurate thought to future events for the MCU.
I'll come back and watch this once I've seen Eternals... love your content dude!
Personal theory:
Ego is the balance to the Eternals. Throughout MCU we see agents of balance. While Galactis is feeding off the Eternals seed or straight up taking them in battle, he has no way of reproducing. This means that the balance could be thrown off if/when he is killed. That necessitates Ego. A force that can destroy to the Eternals while not in direct battle as his power is tied to his source. Assuming part of what he stated is true, blowing up the planet only freed his consciousness from the confines of a rocky planet and he is now again drifting along until he reconstitutes himself in another planet form.
Peter on the other hand is the evolution of Ego. He is not tethered to the source planet as Ego is. He is able to stay away without dying. This could mean that his powers, while not equal to Ego's may be more able to feed off other sources.
A Multiverse of finite universes makes for an interesting story, especially if they merge into an infinite universe at the end with varied life instead of various outcomes and possibilities.
I would love a desk top water fountain like the red Celestial on the domo . The water running out of his hand....
Now what do you think will The Watcher do when this war play out
(What If...)
And do you think Galactus knows about the Watcher
Perhaps Thanos' real plan was to not only take half the life in the universe but also half the celestials to preserve the universe.
I have this feeling that Celestials can’t be affected by the stones. It’s possible that they created the stones. Even if Wong states otherwise.
Galactics has heralds .. what if Thanos was His 1St Herald?!?!? And he was doing His biddings which would give him insight to the future!
And that was explain his mental shift.. the Demi god Thanos was just a pawn and he knew it
Hmmm...it's within the silver to bronze comic timeline & brushed over in the unpopular movie
F4: Rise of The Silver Surfer,
but Norrin Radd ultimately uses the "surf-board" to blow Galactus to bits.
It's more "multiverse" stuff...but it was a story arc that cannot be overlooked.
At least you are the only TH-camr with the will to talk about it
This theory isn’t a good one.. I’m leaning on the idea that Ego lied about being a celestial… In the comics he’s given people powers and boosts like the silver surfer in silver surfer black. The surfer alone could annihilate a planet which is only a tiny portion of the power cosmic. There’s no way in hell Ego could keep up with the likes of galactus let alone the surfer in power. Multiple Celestials could possibly slow down galactus but a well fed galactus is damn near unstoppable and realistically has to either be led to another planet to consume or gets threatened by the ultimate nullifier (which is an extension of galactus’ full power) which Reed Richards wiped out an entire universe with. So no ego has no place among characters who would pose a threat to Galactus.
In the comics I believe Galactus tried to eat Ego and they fought.
come on ultimate nullifier! I love A good MCU researcher!
I like this theory as Ego can actually take on Galactus. In the Fantastic 4 series, they help Galactus defeat Ego.
Doug has really grown on me lol. At first I was like what is the point... Now I'm on board ❤️❤️
Ego- "I am a living planet"
Galactus- "Yeah, well, I eat planets for breakfast."
Revisiting this video after a long while, and I have a question about this theory. If the Celestials could have just popped up to stop someone like Ego from destroying their plan, what about the other universe shown in What If...? where Ultron just obliterates everything? Is that a universe that just didn't have Celestials to stop him? Were they just too slow to get to earth in time before he grew too powerful? What about the potential repercussions that Infinity Ultron would have caused for Galactus?
good theory. it also fits that earth now has a dead baby celestial in its ocean. so instead of silver surfer having to convince galactus to skip over earth because people deserve to live, he just has to convince him that planets without celestial seeds won't taste as good.
Half-celestial demigod: Wanda.
Wandavision totally retconned her origin from Age of Ultron, stating that the reason that the bomb didn't kill her and Pietro as kids was because she actually had her power back then and kept it from exploding. The Mind Stone and Hydra's experiments only awakened/augmented her powers.
Even if Mutants enter the MCU it won't matter, because the comics retconned Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver anyway. They are Magneto's adopted kids, and aren't actually mutants.
This channel is top tier. Great theory!
Odin, the Pheonix Force, Zeus, and a couple others come to mind as possibly on Starlords level when it comes to characters who are extremely strong and could be some kind children of Celestials. Add in Chthon and other big baddies too.
I still think Kang is the focus of phase 4, because he has numerous versions and keeps coming back in the comics, but Galactus or Doom will come along and be in phase 5.
I like the idea that Ego is the brain from the celestial thats head is now knowhere and he has the celestials goal but in a warped way
I think this is exactly what the MCU needs
Idk I think ego's plan is in his name, and I think his plan to seed and shape the cosmos in his image was to use seeds like tiamut as a cosmic battery, once ego absorbs the planet essentially absorbing tiamut and other unbirthed celestials making ego the strongest and all powerful to finally create a universe in his own image.
Interesting. I wonder how that fits in
with (The Sentry)/The Void.
Unless I’m mistaken he also wanted to wipe out half of the life in the universe.
Fun fan franchise theory.... Tiamet is actually Unicron. Being that the transformers comics were written by marvel, there is a link to the MCU. Also if that holds then transformers in there metallic form ate made of vibranium and the original celestials are the quintessons.
I would think that Galactus NOT feeding on planets with celestial seed is more plausible.
Since now there's no celestial living/growing on earth, it NOW opens up an attack by Galactus
Really great video. You gained a subscriber
All what he said about E.g.o most likely is true, I think theres a possibility that "E.G.O" stands for Evolutionary Godlike Organism.
After kang, this is the phase 5 villain. Kang. gets killed except he who remains, our universe seams the same, but phase 5 reaveals than the multiverse reset had one change that leads to galactic dying and a true reaset, unless the heroes stop the galactic v celestials war.
I think the answer to Ego’s status as a Celestial is a lot simpler. He’s a Celestial in larva stage. The planetary shell he embodies is just a stage of development before he forms his armor exoskeleton. As for Peter, I think he might not be Ego’s son in the typical biological sense. Celestials can create living bodies and imbue them with Celestial power, like the eternals. I think it may turn out that Peter is a lot more like a half human/half eternal hybrid than half Celestial. That is why Peter lost his power when Ego died, it was always Ego’s power being channeled through him
This is an amazing theory. I also like the theory where Ego is the brain of Knowhere..
I hope I live to see a Secret Wars Marvel Film
In the comics Galactus basically cacooned inside of Ego to gain his powers and grow huge I think. So pretty confusing.
Sakkar might have something to do with Galactacus or Celestial!
Watch 'Thor Ragnorak' again for more info!
Smoothe the way you brought up the knife advertising. He'll yeah.
I actually really like this theory, I usually don’t follow MCU theories, but THIS is good
Liked for the "teach me" cut!!
Interesting theory, though unlikely.
If we go to look for "Celestial kids" in the MCU then there's not a lot of options among the characters presented so far. In the comics, Thor is the son of the primordial god, Gaia who conspired with Odin to create an especially powerful Asgardian champion. Gaia is a physical representation of the Earth, and so an easy answer if you're fishing for a Celesti-kid would be Thor. But at this point it would dramatically change the character. You could use one of Thor's brothers, like Baldur or Loki (whom we have never seen an established birth mother for), but we probably won't be adding too much Asgard lore, now that their homeworld is gone. Instead, I'd look to the next Thor movie where he apparently reaches Olympus and sees Zeus. If we're talking famous Olympians tied in with Thor to the comics, then we're definitely talking about his good buddy and rival, the Prince of Power himself, Hercules.
Hercules, assuming he gets introduced would be a fantastic option for the Celesti-kid theory. Hercules is always established as a demi-god even in myth, his father is famously Zeus but his mother is less well known by the general public, so it would be a comparatively easier change.
Otherwise I'd say Bruce Banner, but that would take a lot of explaining.
you are definitely onto something with this! I could definitely see Bruce Banner being a demigod! and we know Hercules most definitely!
8:57 Best part about Ego is not half bad...
In Marvel cannon when I was a kid I read the fantastic Four comics. Galactus originally was here before our universe was created. he was the only survivor of the previous universe and needed to feed on our universe to survive. I don't know if He has been retconned since then because I don't read comics any longer.
As ego expands he collects knowledge so even if he did take over everything that would instantly make everything equally intelligent so to speak it would probably make the birthing process of these celestials faster than normal because ego would retain all the knowledge he overtook
All I know is I can never unsee Captain America's behind everytime I hear "But"...
On the low-key I think ego is nowhere. He battled with arishem due to egos plans for universal domination and had his physical body destroyed. His "first" memory is just when he first awoke after the battle.
Celestial’s literally said that organic life cannot be trusted. Hits why the Eternals were made.
You're theory may have legs bc the 2nd season of the "What If..." series suggests there is a seedling on Earth. The episode led me to your video, btw
oh my god its right there. the celestial seed needs SENTIENT LIFE!..... ego spreading himself thorought the entire planet puts a lot of highly intelligent matter everywhere. massive simultaneous births.... an army...
Pretty sure Peter was drawing his power from EGO, as EGO is destroyed so is Peters powers, i think its explained in the movie, he was able to hold the powerstone in the first movie, because EGO was still alive
I would love this and if they’re bringing in galactic it would be a great opportunity to bring in the fantastic four, for me it would bring it all right back around to the beginning. Thanks rock on
hi man, fantastic video, i like it so much.
i want to ask u something.
do u remember Dormammu? i dont know but his power looks so familiar to Ego. he came from another universe where time doesn't exist (i think that his plan worked instead of Ego's plan, and the time stops only because he eated all matter in his universe, no other osservation, no needing time.)
let me know if u understood me and what u tinhk about it.
keep going.
I think they’ll simply retcon Egos story by saying he wasn’t actually a celestial but a failed and lost experiment by the skrull attempting to create themselves a new world or something
I was just watching a production about the birth & death of recycling of plastics but aside from that horror story, I enjoyed this production as in, Great Stories are created & told by great culture before great calamity. All that is left are are relics of those stories for times to come by others to unfold & interpret. We live in a truly Marvelous age, pardon the pun... Our natural resources will not last forever & what Thanos fought to accomplish was indeed noble. There are more humans alive today than have ever died. Bad times are soon to come.