EV City Car Deathmatch Mini E v Peugeot e208 v Renault Zoe v Honda E v Fiat 500: The FULL Challenge
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- If you’re looking for a funky small city car then there’s now a lot of choice in the lower-priced EV market. We conduct a group test of six 30k cars (which can all be leased for around £300/month) to crown a winner. In test 1 we take each EV for a quick test drive to assess road manners and general civility. They need to make a good impression as the three worst will be eliminated.
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Bizarre set of parameters to test city cars. I would have thought manoeuvrability, visibility and ride comfort over rough surfaces would be key criteria. Also, eliminating cars based on a subjective views in a single category seems flawed thinking. Surely scoring all the cars in all the categories would produce a fairer result. I suspect one of the reasons the Zoe has been such a good seller is that not only is it a decent car but its always offered a reasonable range, making it an easy car to live with. (BTW, the range you quote for the Fiat is wrong). The Honda is undoubtedly a good car but for someone with limited access to overnight charging (which is common in cities), it’s poor range could be a major PITA as well as making it virtually unusable for even the shortest weekend trips outside of the city. And then there is the price…..
The Zoe also has a major advantage for city use (at least if you live in France), if you are reliant on public AC chargers which I think might be the case for a lot of people, it litteraly stomps the other four cars on charge speed thanks to its 22kW AC capability.
Exactly
I still haven't seen a single, non-dealer , non-demo E out on the roads in Belgium !
I was planning on buying one, until Honda released pricing & range - what a joke.
If you want a rare car, this is it.
More exclusive than Ferrari over here ;-)
Why didn't you test these "city cars" in the city? Seriously! You guys are normally great - but this is one that you need to redo.
Agree, too much focus on performance (1st and last tests) for cars that don't need performance. Rather have the "Lifestyle" category split up and more detailled
Strange to test city cars but eliminate the first two on performance. When sitting in the city traffic crawling along at 4mph you might pause to reconsider the "science" or lack of in your testing.
Poor show guys.
Definitely an off day, these guys have done better comparisons
EV city car death match… and the winner is…. the least practical one… 🤦♂️
Tbf, City cars aren’t supposed to be practical. I’d happily drive a silly Smart Fortwo if i was still commuting into the city.
@@kitlai768 city cars aren’t supposed to be practical? Yes they are…
The Peugeot e208 wipes the floor with the Honda - it’s cheaper, has better range, well equipped, 5 doors, more passenger space, more boot space and looks great…
I’d still take the 208 any day
But it's so bland if you look at the doors with your hands blocking out the rest of the car, she said
Any time
The Honda looks good & so does the interior but it o it really works if you live in the city or have a charger at home
Same. Hands down.
Peugeot e-208 should be the clear winner of this test.
If it was anything remotely like the Peugeot I once owned, I wouldn't even bother to get in it. An utter nightmare.
@@Brian-om2hh It’s not, things move on
I have to agree with the other commenters. You either need to evaluate them on the basis of being city cars or enthusiast cars. The testing methodology was not ideal for these vehicles.
Also cars that have a range of under 180 miles are completely impractical. The Mini and Honda would be immediately discarded when considering a small electric car by most people simply because of range.
Honda E looks cools but the range is pathetic. I would quite definitely NOT spend a whopping 28k for a meagre 130 miles of range. Style over substance. Same goes for the Mini. looks beautiful but at almost 29k you don't even get 150 miles of range.
How many miles do you average a day or week? Admittedly, it’s certainly not a road trip car but this isn’t road trip test.
130 miles is plenty, you can recharge another 50 miles in about 15 mins. Range isn’t everything, you don’t but a car based on it fuel tank size.
That's probably because you're thinking of how far you could go on the motorway in it, which is precisely the wrong way to judge the Honda. It is intended to be a premium city commuter, not a highway express. And as a premium city commuter, it excels.
The Honda is extremely cool, but after years of talking about take anxiety, I cannot understand why it's allowed to get away with just over 100 miles of range. Poor test.
The Honda is extremely cool and cannot really justify it's price tag, due to the small battery. The range wouldn't be an issue if the car was 15 to 20k.
For me because in 2032 Honda still maintain his range with no problem. But other car the range will be less. Honda use only 28kwh and his battery is 35 kWh
@@riccardomarinoni6733 Plenty of cars have a larger battery than the stated usable amount. Battery degradation is related to the amount of DC fast charging more than anything else, extremes of temperature notwithstanding. The Honda e will rarely be charged at a DC fast charger, because owners will be mostly charging at home. This is true of most EV owners at the moment, but this will change when EVs are the only cars for sale. If looked after, the degradation on newer EV batteries tails off at about 80-85% so most. This percentage is reached quicker with DC charging. All of the current generation cars have good battery management systems to prevent/minimize degradation and it looks like many of these cars will see out well over 200k miles.
@@IanMcc1000 But f you just happen to be considering the Honda e as a premium city commuter, then the range is perfectly adequate. The average daily UK commute is 20.8 miles, and I'd imagine most who buy the Honda will charge it mid-week to ensure they comfortably manage the commute they bought it to do. The vast majority of people who buy the Honda, will charge at home.
@@Brian-om2hh I'm not sure it is.. I have an e208 and the range is better and the car was cheaper than a Honda e. I really wouldn't want less than 180 odd miles I get from it.
Over 90% of car buyers never intend to race their car around a closed circuit or anywhere else. Totally wrong way to assess small EVs.
I do between 1 900km and 3 500km/mth in a Zoe, driving only around and in a city. I cannot imagine doing this comfortably in a car offering WAY less range. Do you know how many times the extra range « saved me » in my normal family life? And just for that, the Zoe is still number one.
Am I missing something? Isn't the battery on the e208 50kwh (45 usable) not 56? And the range you've given for the 500 sounds way long.
your right 50kwh 208e 177 range for 500
Yeah they've literally shit out with this review!!
Of these cars, only the zoe and the 208 have decent range. The mini and honda might be more fun, but that wont matter if you dont make it to your destination.
City car! How big is your city? More than 100 miles 🤣
Fiat has longest range of all of them (277miles)
@@smOOdiebOOdie 277 miles range for the fiat is impossible. The WLTP range is 199 and in the real world, you should get somewhere around 140.
@@b127_1 3:00
I agree
Flawed test. Try them over pot holes in clogged rush hour. Your agenda was clear from the start - the Honda would win.
In the real world, how can anybody place as first the car with such a dismal battery range?
because range isn't everything....
What a load of bulls..t the review was. Lets compare city car and do them on the track! OMG... most irrelevant test ever. " And after this: lets test Tractors and race them on the Autobahn, or wait lets test supercars and race them on the field!!! ...Luckily (as it already proved it self)people not listening to the silly reviews and buy the cars for their real purpose. If someone decides to buy an EV in a city car size, most of the time he/she will be sitting the the traffic jam, and probably will think "whish I bought the better handling car" NOT. They want, good range, good tech, decent space and fast charging. THE END.
And in this line up the Zoe is still the winner by far, following by the Fiat or Peugeot (depends the preference) the MINI is just an overpriced junk and the Honda is again way too expensive just for the retro look...
This test was really weird. This is city cars, test them there - not around tracks for gods sake! Comfort, range and practicality not everyone wants rwd and crap range.
You did such a good job with this "deathmatch" this would help a lot of future EV drivers to pick between their ideal city electric car!
Thank you for sharing! 🔌⚡🚘
I used to like fifth gear but these tests are dumb with eliminating cars at the start cos the mini would have easily won the last test but It didn’t get through because Rory didn’t like the grill, ah yes 10/10 journalism.
This test just isn’t relevant to real world driving… I’ve had my 500e for six months and am delighted. It does everything but track days really well and does 160 miles easily. Shame, normally love all your work but this missed the mark, by a lot!
I live in London and own a Mini Cooper Electric
and see a lot of other Mini Cooper Electrics in London,
I don't see as many Fiat 500Es (it's range is pretty decent and it looks good too)
and vary rarely see a Honda E, (I like its Space Age style)
as for E208s, they are that bland, I don't even notice them.
GOOD tests for a City EV, would include, "we randomly parked it in a full supermarket car park,
to see how long it takes to find it, due to its unique looks", then, "we tried to cheekily emerge from a side road,
into slow moving City traffic to see how many cars would go past, without letting us out", LOL,
and the classic, "we drove it at 20 mph, down one of those streets, with 3 speed bumps across its width,
to see how easy it was to avoid the speed bumps", then there's Tetris Test, "we got 3 passengers,
one small, one medium and one large, to see how long it takes to work out, WHO sits WHERE".
You guys are very entertaining and fun. But, that's not how people will drive the cars. The Peugeot is the most practical of the bunch. I do like the Honda E, though.
We tried some cars for my 23 year old daughter. She knows our KOna and she said the Zoe felt quite old and a bit "analog". We bought the Corsa-e instead. She likes it.
Yah, Fiat 500e at 42 kWh doing 277 miles? That's 6.6 miles per kWh making it the world's most efficient EV.
Yeah, I'd like to know how much battery percentage was left after that! All fur coat and no knickers as nan used to say! 😂
Love a good death match. Is that in part 2?
Renault Zoe should've stayed with its impressive range compared to the others. Isn't that what an EV test is all about? The size of the batteries and the range?
I found the driver seat in the new Zoe really uncomfortable making it a non contender (I'm in my 30's with no back issues, lol). I'm glad I test drove alot of EV's including brands I'd usually disregard. I ended up chosing the MG5 long range for the same price. Yes, it's not a city car but its not really as full length estate (shorter than my Prius it replaced), so parking ect is a breeze. Its much more comfortable, bigger (for a family of 4), better range, nearly double the charging speed and not to mention it has 7 year warranty. The only issues to get over are it's Badge, boring looks and to realise that most things nowadays are made in China anyway 😆
The Honda and Mini tied for second place at 14 points apiece, then why did you not include thr Mini in the driving challenge too? I agree that this challenge should have been conducted in a city or urban setting; this to also determine regen breaking. But a fun video all the same.
I have the Peugoet - but must say the Honda does look great :)
City cars needs as much range as rural areas. Many homes don't have parking close by. You'll constantly be hunting/charging for small range EV's. Not fun...
Range is such an important issue for EVs, you really need to quote consistently sourced numbers. Your 277m "urban cycle" for the Fiat 500 compares to only 199m WLTP - the basis of most of the other numbers quoted.
The range is only 12 miles but we can excuse that as it's a city car. And we will also make it the winner because we can drive it faster flat out than the 308. Great urban test....
fast charging on these cars needs a CCS connector,only the zoe could take 22kw charging on the type 2 connector shown..
Going quickly and around a track for a city car?
I thought this was going to be more realistic
I'm really disapointed
The US market Mini only gets 110 miles range. I'm confused.
thats because Americans are a lot fatter than us Brits, LOL.
Honda is by far the coolest, but the range is a shame. Definitely would consider it though, and a longer range would just make the decision easier.
Rear leg room is also desperate, they've sold horribly here in Ireland as they're just too expensive for what you're getting, so most usually go for the fiat and Renault, but also the id3 and cupra born
@@Theferrariguy The Renault Megane E-Tech absolutely destroys all of these for not much more money new. This review is handy for people looking at these models coming on to the second hand market, quicker and for a bit less money than new.
@@IanMcc1000 that's it yeah I'm excited to see how the megane e tech does
Wasted opportunity with these daft tests, especially the last one. Track testing 🤷♂what's up with that? City cars need a city based set of tests. Disappointing episode, guys.
You should also consider parts availability
Yeah VBH would be entertaining to drive for sure .
They're all good cars. It depends on what your needs are and very few people put driving dynamics over practicality.
The Renault set the standard but everyone shot above them ... Even the fiat ... Bouncy city car, designed so potholes and cobbles aren't an issue with a huge range when compared to all the others
So Honda wins because it was faster against the Peugeot. Just gave it to the worst by some margin
The Zoe sold (and continues to do) really well because I suspect the general public has more common sense than be bothered by these bizarre comparisons.
Fair play to the Peugeot. It's not bad.
Renault's very competitive PCP schemes will have played their part too.....
Absolutely SHOCKING. You need to scrap this video entirely and redo it properly. These are city cars. Take them into a city where ALL of them will definitely perform well. Don't judge the styling based purely on the doors with your hands in the way of the "nose and tail" and don't LIE about the range!!
Exactly. This is the most irrelevant test I ever seen. Shocking that well known people giving their names and faces to crap like this.
Lol! You sound like it’s personal ! Relax, it’s only a fun group test. One’s proper is obviously another’s clown act. I wonder if the car you own dropped out early hence touched a nerve 🤣
@@kitlai768 I felt like a rant because this video is a prime example of what's slowing down EV uptake! My car wasn't in this video, I've a long range model 3.
How about one of the best city car - the VW e-Up ??
I have seen this video, this an old video. Why have they re-uploaded it wow
TV series has finished. This isn't TH-cam content. It's just a segment from the TV series. When they film a new one I guess they will update content
The Peugeot has been improved. It can now do “228 miles”.
I’ve now owned 2 the old one didn’t seem to charge as faster.
My old one wouldn’t do anyone near 217 miles so I doubt the new one will 228 miles.
I wish you had have got the newest version.
It's a really old video. Not TH-cam content. Just an upload of a segment from the last TV series
@@robsmall6466 it's not that old, that facelift mini much ago
@@danisantos3255 It is in the UK. This episode is many, many months out of date. It's not TH-cam content. It's a segment from a TV series shown on the channel Quest via the Freeview service
Interesting, the Honda e is certainly impressive, although, what is most important in a modern EV is firstly range, secondly range and thirdly range. Picking a car that the also offers a lot of space can‘t hurt either, plus it should also be easy to operate as well for all the basics, e.g. the AC. If I had to dig deeply into confusing and lagging touchscreen menu structures to control and set climate control, it is a no go for me. Among all tested cars, the Renault covers all these basics well. The Fiat also, spacewise not so, but everyone has different needs, in my opinion, the Renault, among those cars, is offering the best overall package and besides of the missing ACC, feature wise it ticks everything I would wish to have in an EV. Spaceship style cockpits are certainly fun to have and look at but what is really important here is having great range in summer and winter time.
City car challenge on a bumpy racetrack far outside the city. Crowning the 2nd-most expensive and least efficient car the winner. Riiiiiight. No mention of the Corsa. Seriously... if you want a fun EV you go at least for something like the Tesla Model 3. Super minis you usually get for short- to midrange practical reasons. You made the least practical the winner. I'm disappointed in you guys... I expected this BS from the woman... but Rory? Really?
Yep, even if they don't want to add the Corsa into the test they should at least mention it.
Apart from body and interior stuff the Corsa and 208 are built on the same platform, batteries etc. So the comparison would only really be cosmetic.
@@spacecadetrik21 ... except there are differences, beginning with the fact that the Corsa has a 50 kW battery while the 208, at least in this video, oddly enough is listed with a 56 kW battery.
@@robertmandl9326 In the UK they are both using the same 50kw battery pack. There is a marginal difference in mileage.
@@robertmandl9326 I think this video may be a bit older. Someone said it was clipped out of an older show, then uploaded to TH-cam a couple of days ago. Also it’s inaccurate in a number of places, the 500 range for instance. It’s kinda poor overall.
e208 has a 46kWh usable capacity battery (48kWh brut).
The 208 is by far the best overal car: Modernity, Space, Confort, Range, Price Tag. The honda looks cool, but it should never be near the top because is terrible in terms of boot, price and range. The sells don't lie, it's been a disaster because it's just not good. I've read somewere Honda was making a lot of PR work among journalists about it, hope it's not the case with Fifth Gear.
13:02 loooooool my feelings exactly. 'wrong car' *disappointing face. Megane e-tech has 220bhp. Please have it a go! pleasepleaseplease. luv you Vicky
Totally disagree the way they eliminate cars. E208 no comparison to the Honda and 500e. etc
Such a bizarre set of testing criteria. The vast majority of people would dismiss the Honda immediately due to range vs price.
Great test! For me the Zoe lost all credibility when it scored 0 in the NCAP crash test. I love the Honda, but also like the Mazda MX30 - another driver's car with small range.
In 2013, the Zoe scored the maximum of 5 stars on the EuroNCAP test
In 2021, 0
@@Wannes_ The rules changed and now is mandatory to have driving help that often you cancel because they are stupid!
That Honda with double its range absolutely but that’s so poor for today.
I knew the Honda would win on the track.
The Pug & e .
Just figured out why the mini had to go because it and the Honda were on the same points. They just wanted to thresh the rear wheel drive Honda around. But I have a feeling the mini would have been faster then both especially the P electric
I am very confused...
Best-Selling Electric Car Models in Europe in 2021 :
Tesla model 3 : 141,221
Renault Zoe : 71,579
ID3 : 69,090
ID4 : 54,476
eNero : 46,790
fiat 500 : 44,334
etc....
So your first statement is wrong, what is wrong with you Top gear !
They probably took 2020 data...
Fifth Gear
It's Fifth Gear not top gear, but I think the same thing, sniff sniff bull s~#*.
Aimed at a UK audience where the Zoe isn't that popular now and losing out to more desirable modern EVs. The MINI Electric sold ~6000 in 2021 which was more than the Zoe. The Fiat 500e for me is the best city car, the Honda looks ace but the pricing is ridiculous. Shame it's a rag it on a country road test and not a drive it in the city test..
Might need to be aware..... The content in this video is many months out of date. It's taken from the TV series. So stats will not add up potentially
Zoe and Peugeot - Commute cars
The rest - City cars
It feels as though you needed an excuse to make the Honda look like an actual competitor when it isn’t.
Charging on the hood? Such a small battery and range?
Feels like an ad for Honda. It sells poorly doesn’t it?! Obviously For a reason.
Why do you not test the crash test safety.
Car journalists don't crash test cars. Manufacturers do
Tests are getting like Top gear - except T.G never seems to have normal cars people can afford
I don't think so. Battery to small. It's the 208 the Zoe
The test is wrong regarding the needed parameters welcomed in cars with such purposes, and it feels biased from the beggining. I lost the intetest in watching it until the end because of that.
The battery of the e 208 is 46 kwh usable, not 56. And the final test is just to make the Honda win, right? Cause it’s pointless! 👎
Nice to see but for me range is the standard to go for so the Zoe or Peugeot for me. Honda, mini and 500 - just to limited in spite of the gadgets. And the lowest range won - really! Was this sponsored by Honda?
Once again Rory Reid does the old "good for the shops" quip. My 24kwh Nissan Leaf doesn't have as much range as any of the five featured cars and I drove it on an 890 miles round trip to Scotland in two days. Most people don't drive more than 35 miles in any given day. Also "City Cars" implies good for pootling around the city. But, you'll be lucky if you do a total of 80 miles while driving around a city all day. So, these cars are clearly more than just city cars. People really have to get over this range nonsense. For 90% of drivers it's never an issue. For the rest it may be an issue once a year. And if you're going to go mental about range then let's remember the Zoe had easily the most range, but you chucked it out of the running after the first round. Consistency?
The price of these cars though! 🙄🤦
I think I’ve seen this before - the brand new Honda? This seems to be a re-release of an earlier video
It is indeed. The TV series has finished. This isn't TH-cam content. Just a segment from the TV series. When they film a new one I guess they will start to upload
City car car , low range does not mean city car , smaller is city car , normal city ice can go hundreds of miles . Honda poor range for the price
2012!!!!?
Dacia spring?
This is very old content. It may predate the Spring release. Spring isn't available in the UK yet
False...the e208 was faster on your track test...what a mistake
Testing city cars, but the Zoe is not a city car, neither is the E208.
They both are..
@@danpaul4975 Depends on your definition. The European Commission classes the Fiat 500 as a city car (A segment), whereas the rest of the cars on test would be superminis (B segment).
MINI SE win by default in North America haha. None of the rest sells in North America
Just bought myself an e208. I find the Honda hideously ugly, but each to their own.
This felt like a sponsored review. Staged winner.
Dacia Spring entered the chat.
Dacia Spring hasn't yet entered the country
I’m Italian and I hate the fiat 500e, too much expensive, no space inside, old interior and same 500 style that is old today. Also fiat must make cheap cars for people. It have to be like Dacia spring but is so much expensive
Rubbish choice, Zoe 50 Best Choice as it will take my Take apart electric mobility scooter, with good range so don't have to charge it so often
The Honda's range is unacceptable. On a cold day, it would not go to the post office and home without a stop to charge. Twice that range would be marginally acceptable.
What dessert do you live in?
@@ZesPak in a lovely trifle
@@Oldjohn52 and that trifle is more than 60km from a post office?
You've (very) obviously never owned an EV, that's for sure..... It might make 15% difference, that's all. Stop being silly, because it makes you look silly.
More manufacturer lies taken at face value
Essentially honda ... Make it have a longer range like 200 WLTP and it'll sell if it's not much more expensive and bring the current version down in price as a base model
Worst test I’ve ever seen for city car EVs. It’s shouldn’t be about presenters racing around to have fun...... very disappointing
Absolute garbage. Take your pick if you have home charging, but the Zoe is the only viable option if you don't
Pug is winner but Corsa e is same car just cheaper! No one is buying the Honda.
No yaris
Opening statemement is wrong, the Tesla model 3 was the best selling EV car in Europe in 2021 (globally too) and the 2nd best selling car overall (ICE & EV) in the UK (beaten only by the Vauxhall Corsa) 🤔
It might ( and I say might ) be because this is a very old video. It isn't TH-cam content. It's a segment from the TV series and is many months old
@@robsmall6466 wondered but 70 plate cars aren't old?
@@bloodstockvip2176 Not sure on the timings of the data and this video. All I can say is I watched this episode many months ago on Freeview ( Quest I think ) in the UK
@@robsmall6466 maybe old then pal
I'm sorry but there is an error with the Peugeot 208, the real battery is not 56, 50kwh (45 utilizables).
In this test there are many errors, I understand that you like the Peugeot for its aesthetics, but giving false data is not good. For the price they all have, the best is clearly the Zoe, it has also been on the market for years and is proven to work. The Honda's battery is ridiculous and the interior doesn't matter, for that price it should have a minimum of 50Kwh
Yes, the range of the 208 would not be good if the battery were 56 kwh, but it’s 46, so it’s fine! The Zoe has 52 kwh, so logically it has better range! The winner is the e-208 👍
@@atreyuidaho Winner why?
Regarding battery, consumption and autonomy, the Zoe is better, another thing is that you like the design of the Peugeot more.
@@atreyuidaho In Carwow with the Peugeot, battery of 50 (real 45) a range of 161 miles
With the Zoe with the 52 battery (real 50) in the same test they achieved a range of 229 miles. The winner is the Renault Zoe
@@adrianromero92 i like everything more with the 208, the ride, the comfort, the fast charging capacity. What’s the point of a better range if charging is a hassle?
@@atreyuidaho According to official data, the Peugeot can charge at 100Kw(DC) and the Zoe at 50kw(DC)
The Peugeot needs a little more than half an hour to reach 80% and the Renault 1 hour and 5 minutes. Also I doubt that the 100kw are constant.
On a 22kw(AC) charger the Peugeot needs 4 hours 3 minutes and the Renault 3 hours 15 minutes.
Counting that the Zoe has at least 30km more autonomy, I don't see it so bad either.
Poor test , just as not everyone works in an office, people don't drive on test tracks everyday. If you are testing a city car test it in the city . No way should the least practical car of the two finalists have won with it's pathetic range and load capacity. City car or not I don't want to be charging it up every five minutes.
How much did honda give you guys for this stupid result can’t believe anything you say now,
Here, you totally missed the mark
th-cam.com/video/BfnKVgZscH8/w-d-xo.html
Typical motoring journalists. Small expensive car with a crap range but it’s the winner cause it’s the most fun to drive in the way a typical journalist drives
Why “o” Why are you testing city cars on a open test track in the middle of the country side ridiculous, city car spend there life crawling around it slow moving traffic not flying over hills at 70mph if your doing car tests do it in a real world situation. Hope you enjoy your bonus from honda for that useless car.
The Fiat 500 range is 199 miles, NOT 277.
they’re quoting urban not WLTP. Not sure why really - not like for like
I bit late to the show but I really dont know why I bothered or more to the point why they bothered. The most useless test I have seen on TH-cam . They couldn't even get the stats right.
no Chinese ev like the BYD
Only what's on sale in the UK