City Electric Cars. Mini Electric, Honda e, Fiat 500 E. More urban than Tesla
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What is the best city / urban small electric car to buy? We put 3 of the best urban EV's to the test with the Honda e, New Fiat 500 hatchback, and the MINI Electric. All priced below £30,000 - some £12,500 less than the Tesla Model 3, but with a completely different proposition and offering.
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Which one would you choose?
None! For the time being I'll stick with ICE cars.
Fiesta ST and change.
Honda everyday, that look, rwd and 100nkw charging. Fiat 500s are all too common and a bit faff. Mini doesn't seem like good value compared to the rest.
As always with electrics, if you commute and PCP, which is the whole point, they are cheaper from day one.
If all you do is roadtrips, get a Tesla or an ICE, if do occasional roadtrips, accept that you may have to spend 30 mins at a motorway stop a few times a year.
The Honda! Loved it from the start.
The Honda #1, and the Fiat #2. Sorry Mini
I'd go for the Honda, its more futuristic and minimalist in design, not to mention with 4 door practicality too.
Excellent choice Nick 😁👌
I choose the FIAT 500e
Ah good choice, certainly a cool looking car!
Did you choose the previous California-only generation Fiat 500e?
Orrible car the fiat
Think the fiat 500 looks amazing. Looks like the older models but somehow newer 😂🤷
The same DNA just updated! 😁
Agree. It looks fantastic!
Sorta looks like an air humidifier
My choice was the Fiat500E. We have to take in serious consideration the difference in range (and price). I really love my 500e icon!
Love the look of the 500
The colour looks great right?
Just wait for the Fiat 500E to be everywhere in certain (posh) parts of big UK cities. It's going to be The car to have, closely followed by the Honda E in the suburbs... Mini E..hmmm, not so sure.
We shall see. The Mini might tick all the boxes!
I see a lot of mini plug in hybrids around London
Who’s the new guy doing the Honda? Really like him! Also Honda looks so cool in my opinion
That’s Biff Needell, Tiffs son
He used to rybrook mini TV! So a bit more unbiased this time with now £££ stuffed in his back pocket from Rybrook!🤣
That's Matt Smart, glad you like him and the car!
I agree the Honda e is a stellar looking little car
Fiat. We had a Fiat 500 and loved it. This one looks great.
We agree!
Did you have any reliability/quality control issues (ex: something breaking early due to a bad design) with it over the course of time you had it? I genuinely want to know in case I might get it some time.
@@greenboi6640 we had no issues at all. A really fun car and ideally suited to cities. Will be awesome electrified.
@@greenboi6640 I had a Fiat 500 too and had never any problems
@@greenboi6640 I have a '13 500 abarth. no major problems. car is solid.
I always had a fancy for the 2007-present Fiat 500 since my childhood, and the 500E has, thankfully, had that distinctive styling mostly intact as well. The Honda e also looks very hard to resist, with that cute styling and decent practicality for such a small city car.
i love mine....really.
Fiat is the winner imo (convertible)
Honda is good (but not really my cup of tea)
The mini looks good but it feels compromised (should have gotten an all new electric platform and interior , it shows its age)
The Fiat is a cool car!
There's a 3 pin socket and HDMI in the Honda E, you can literally play a PS4 in it.
Ha! We didn't want to use the battery up!
Honda looks absolutely stunning, such a shame we don't have it here in Australia
Looks dull and lame!.
Wish Fiat and Honda could have a baby car 😀 I love Fiat’s exterior and Honda’s interior 🥰
You have such great attitudes to EVs, very open minded and fair. It's such a delight to watch you all.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a beauty that Fiat 500 electric ⚡ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It sure is 😁👌
Great job, mates. Your review is funny and accurate at the same time. The best on the net, in my opinion. Thank you!
Advantage of a bonnet charge point by the Honda is that it can be easy to charge.
Park and no need to worry which side or needing to reverse park. It is super convenient!
In reality not many countries have heavy snow falls and you predominantly charge at home. Besides it is not that hard to brush off some snow prior to closing.
Excellent review and humor doing so chaps!
Fantastic little city cars. Price is still an issue, but we have to get the ball rolling somewhere.
Absolutely, you have to start somewhere!
The production of these videos is just great. Keep up the great work. Enjoyed this group test
Thank you very much!
Been watching since 2k subscribers crazy how far this channel has come
Thank you for watching our videos for so long!
Thank you! Been watching yours too! Still one of the best formats on TH-cam. Can’t wait to see what you do next
@@lovecarsTV lol.....seen the latest upload - cor....
Great review. Thanks guys!
Great Stuff! Nice one Matt.
Glad you enjoyed the video and Matt! 😁
Mini is everything but “all new”, still one of my favourite of the trio (hard to choose from).
Which one would it be?
@@lovecarsTV Honda for me and Mini a close second
Great video, nice first video Mat 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
love the fiat
It's so cool right!
Hahahahahaha love fiat hahahahahahahahahaha si si come no!!!!! Made in germany is the best in the world
When they do the abarth 500 E theyll be onto a winner I think
This is brilliant. Love Tiff
Just wow that honda e. Bring it to the states Honda please!
“It was the worlds quietest Drag Race”
Thanks for the chuckle. Cheers from Alaska.
I know most people won't go with it but I will go with The Mini Cooper SE cause I really love MINI and it's my favourite
We liked the MINI too!
Well done Matt on your first test with the team. Looking forward to many more.
More to come with Matt!
Great 3 car review, though rather more proper 'urban' usage would've been a bit more relevant and helpful eg. car parking, speed humps etc etc
Also, as someone else has mentioned already, don't be 'put off' by the Ionity charger speeds - if your cars would've been at 5%-10% of battery remaining, the charge speeds would've been WAY higher...! They 'drop-off' as the battery gets nearer to being full so as to prevent over-charge damage and heat build up.
Finally, for those commentators saying these cars are 'too expensive', comparing typical monthly lease payments (as the VAST majority of cars are now bought this way) there's only £10 per month difference between the petrol Cooper S (with sat nav) at £260 pm vs the MINI Electric level 2 at £270pm, with the Honda e being £288pm.
But, considering a 100 mile charge would cost around £3 from a home wall-box on even a regular electricity supply tariff compared to about £11 in petrol to cover the same mileage in the 45mpg Cooper S, then the Electric soon becomes the cheaper monthly total...!
Glad you enjoyed the review!
Most relevant test was the drift with the Honda E.... 👏😃 Fun car.
I got the Mini electric in the US and after federal and state tax credits it was less than $20,000 US dollars. I absolutely love it!
Awesome 😎👍
Happy new year 🙏
Happy new year!
Tiff drifting the Honda e was super!
Agreed!
Fiat 500e ♥️🇮🇹
The honda is my favorite, if it had 200+ hp and 200 miles of range it would be a real champ
Then it'd be even heavier
Sounds epic! 😁
FYI, those low charge rate figures will have been due to a combination of cold temperatures and the charge level of the battery. Also, those figures manufacturers mention are a best case scenario.
Also overall load on the charging station. Plug just one of the cars in and it'll usually be higher
Yes. The cars were almost full. For those interested in finding out more, search for "Estimated Charging Curve" and everything will become a lot more clearer.
Thanks for that Mr Muds! 😁
@@lovecarsTV keep up the good work 👍
The Honda looks amazing!!
What a great review! I just don't know if the urban audience will be interested in cars looking this soft. Especially the London based urban audience. Can you imagine a group of roadmen rolling up to a grime gig in a Fiat 500? Me neither.
Glad you enjoyed the review!
Love the Honda (I’ll confess I am a Honda fanboy) but you get those stunning looks, the Honda reliability that only Toyota can beat, awesome tech and it’s RWD! Shame about the range but maybe in a few years there will be a bigger battery version!
Need those stunt doubles for the carpool lane XD
Ahaha!
I love the Fiat 500. Best car of the world and looks amazing 🥰
500 best car??? Hshahahaha orrible auto in the world!!!! Sei italiano vero? Hahaha
La Fiat 500e è una vera forza nel suo segmento, è una macchina chic, hi-tech, ecologica e bella. che cosa vuoi di più?
@@andreadeutsch7611 ma perchè critichi così tanto la fiat e in questo caso la 500 se non ti piace non c'interessa fatti i cazzi tuoi e non rompere le palle agli altri
@@mk825 esatto
Also to mention... The charging cable for the 500E for usage at charging stations is a £250 optional extra.
Thanks Mully 👌
Buy one from screwfix for half that price.......
Really enjoyed that guys as a petrol head even you can make that fun,the Honda E for me is the star of The Show the retro modern look how it shines the other two as far as I'm concerned Honda actually turns heads the mini is boring and I don't think the Fiat looks much different from any little 500 never really liked the Fiat or the modern mini, just modern copies of retro cars. Also what wasn't mentioned as you can also play on your games console in the Honda while you're making a cup of coffee you can't do that in the other two🤣
Glad you enjoyed the video, I'm off to test that now! 😁
I choose the Mini. Low Weight, lower centre of gravity, most power and acceleration, and best to drive ❤️❤️❤️ (though turning circle couldabeen better).
@9:23 you'd definitely be able to know, EVs don't have any sort of vibrations, unlike ICE cars. And you start noticing them only after you come back to an ICE car after an EV.
I know what you wanted to say, that handling is the same, but when I first sat in an VW Up, after driving e-Up for a while, I thought something's wrong with the car. Never have I before noticed the vibrations while idling at a traffic light. It's VERY noticeable.
I'm jealous, 2 out of those 3 are not available in my neck of the woods.
I'd probably go for the Honda because of the brand generally having a better reliability reputation than MINI (a BMW brand) and FIAT (a FIAT-Chrysler brand). If reliability and quality control isn't an issue in either of the cars, I'd probably go for the FIAT due to it having a larger range for a lower price in comparison to the Honda and the MINI.
Aside from all that though, I REALLY like the interior design of the Honda. It's like I'm driving a vacation condo you'd find on a beach somewhere.
Good choice, the Honda E is awesome!
Wtf that fiat looks gorgeous
Looks really nice! 👌
FIAT for me, no contest, as I currently own a Gen 1 and love the styling and handling.
I have a 2018 Mini it's great. I was going to buy the 2021 Mini electric which looks great in green in your video, but I heard it's made in China and not in Oxford England.
Made in Oxford
@@midlandgeordie I think the electric Minis for sale in California and the West Coast of the US were made at the electric Mini plant in China and just shipped here. I'm not sure about the rest of the world.
"It turns on a 50 pence piece" that gave me a chuckle
Me I Pick Fiat Because Thats The Car I Used On Need For Speed Most Wanted
Great reviews and I like the 500 and the Honda don’t like the mini looks dated
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I have a North American 500 Abarth. I'll wait for the release of an electric Abarth.
Nice car!
The Honda e has a very 80s vibe to it but someone is the most futuristic looking one!
7:56 All you need to know. I want the Honda.
Also. the eyebrows on the Fiat and the grille on the Mini make them look like they've been in a bar brawl.
The Honda is a total flop in Europe , especially in Germany. There is one in the showroom where i get my CRV serviced and it's just sits there looking cute . The owner said that there has been no interest .
The Honda E is a good choice. 👍
I’m cheesed off that the French haven’t made an electric Twingo for the U.K. market. It turns literally on a sixpence, has amazing space inside where the whole back lays flat, is tough and cracks on easily at top speed up the motorway. An all can do car at a low price. Honda looks like the winner here though.
500 forever!
Excellent choice! 😎
Gimma a buzz when Dacia E is around 10 K ! I can wait...
I'm in the market for an ev on lease. I've found a leaf E+ big battery version for 309 a month. For the same term etc these cars are all closer to 400 a month yet theyre all cheaper than the leaf (34k) to buy.
Ah David glad you've come to our video for help, we hope it's been informative? 😁
I've been driving a Honda Fit for the last decade and it's the perfect grocery-getter. I'm totally sold on Honda value and engineering and I'd buy a Honda e in a heartbeat- but they won't be selling them in the States- waah!
Who knows what the future might bring from Honda Dan 🤞
At the end if you had unplugged the Mini and the Fiat does the Honda charge at 100kw ? Ie is the limitation the total amount of power available to the chargers at that location. Ie a bit like a shared home broadband with multiple devices
There are various different sized chargers at different points here in the UK. A more powerful charger will of course reduce charging times.
Honda doesn't charge at 100kw only at 50kw I don't know where they've got that info...
Thanks for showing us just how terrible the range becomes when you use the performance. Wow!
We have to review and be honest!
The legroom in the electric mini is exactly the same as ICE 3-door model - Just so you're aware
Thanks Harry 😁
We’ve just bought the fiat 500e 3+1!! An extra door is a bit more practical
The Honda will age as one "good" drivers car
As a first attempt at a small EV it's very impressive!
The Honda e and the Fiat 500 look great the Mini, not so much!
Honda for me, Japanese reliability, looks, rear wheel drive and the 240v socket. 21st century e-car.
Entertaining video as always, thanks lads.
Japanese reliability don't apply nowadays. Just some cliches still going through our brains.
I'm not saying it's unreliable, I'm just saying that 99% of the new cars are as much reliable as the Japanese cars.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@kleandrokulli479 Honda and Toyota will always be reliable, sure Nissan may be dodgy these days but not the two kings
Why Fiat hasn’t released this vehicle in the US baffles me….it seems now more than ever (with fuel prices nearing $7/gallon) opportunity is loudly banging on the door.
It’s going to be released in 2024
So the cheaper car on test is $45,000 Australian.... For a tiny 2 seat runabout 🤔
Are they serious?
What am I missing here?
You can buy any number of larger small conventional cars at $20,000 and run them for YEARS and still not get to 45k.....
I'm meant to be test driving the Mini E and Nissan Leaf during January but I expect it'll be off now due to tier 4 coronavirus lockdown.
Not great news! But worth it if you can stay safe!
That wee Honda has really missed the point! Sub 100 miles?! Charging on the bonnet?! You'd have the Fiat for 5 grand less wouldn't you? Looks better, and I bet it drives better too.
If they had a sound device to make it sound like an AMG 12 cly. from a Pagani I would be in.
To be honest. For these urban EV, how often would you really be on the highway.
Small cars are often a cheap option for folk. Ie everyone can afford a large electric car . I.e Tesla. However it’s not like everyone who buys a small car only does ‘town driving’ - so having such small batteries seems as much a problem in a small car, as a Tesla...is range going to be the exquisitely of larger / more expensive cars only??
The Honda E is definitely the car to get
Hmmm. Are they aware about charge curves?
The Honda only charges at 50kw max. Not 100...
Thanks for pointing this out, we doubled checked It's 56 kW DC.
@@lovecarsTV But it’s almost impossible and only peak during a few minutes (I’ve maxed my e 50kW at a HPC) You also need to be below 10% SOC and have the right battery temp. Average speed is more interesting than peak power. Using Ionitys HPCs is useless/expensive when charging Honda e or the Mini (50kW max).
Use regular Rapid Charger 50kW. Tiff trying to remove the CCS connector the wrong way isn’t great.
Also he calls the Ultra Rapid Chargers/HPC, “Fast Chargers” that’s not the same at all.
A Fast Charger is a 22kW (max, car depending) destination charger.
I believe it’s important you get the facts straight and then can educate the audience regarding EVs and charging.
You have a strong and great channel and we need your help pushing EV revolution forward the right way! /Cheers
We choose Fiat 500
Mini electric amazing
The electric Mini is the same size in the rear passenger area as the petrol car, not smaller. Braking does not push you back in the seat!
Thanks Ian for the feedback 😁👌
It's really not debatable whether regenerative "braking" increases the range. E.g. going down a long downhill stretch where you would normally use the brakes, you can actually see the range increases. So, in all situations where one would normally use the brakes, you'd regain energy instead of wasting it as heat.
Only reason I watch this channel is only because of tiff.
tbh the only one i like is the Honda and the range is no issue for me
Love tiff
Why does all motorjounalists go on about putting the charging cables under the floor in the boot? You want them in the front to be able to use them if you have luggage in the boot.
Mini for me Wish it was available in mid America!
I thought they were? Lots of US drivers seem to have them...
I drive a Cooper S and I love Mini but if I had to go EV I’d prefer that Honda. Great styling and technology. They’re all far too expensive though.
The Honda is a very cool car!
Honda squandered a huge opportunity. The other two aren’t much more than compliance cars, the E costs £5000 more and while it looks very cool inside and out, you’re not getting any more performance or range.
Does anyone of these EV have liquid cooling for the batteries?
@16:00 That twisted and suspended charging cable rubbing the hood of the Honda is looking really cringy.
Well spotted!
Fiat needs to make a Fiat 600, based on the 500, but a dash longer with a 50kw battery and 4 doors with the rear doors being well integrated, rear hinged like the 3-1. I’d love if the Fiat to have a frunk with a full sized spare tire, like the original.
They just made one
Why do you call them “City Cars”? What size city needs 150 miles range?
I doubt the ionity chargers aren't able to deliver 100kw rather it's the charging curve of each car.
Certainly the technology differs but is improving all the time.
When will those be available in the US?
We know the Honda E won't be but others will!
@@lovecarsTV Thanks!! Really looking forward to it.