2023 Honda Pilot | How To Fix Forgettable SUVs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- We review the pros and cons of the brand new 2023 Honda Pilot 3 Row SUV. In this video, we explain the major overhaul of the Pilot with the help of American Engineers and detail how the market has changed. We show how they transformed a tired formula into something less disposable. Others to consider are Ford Explorer, Kia Telluride, Hyundai Palisade, Toyota Highlander, Nissan Pathfinder, and Mazda CX-90.
#cars #family #technology
00:00 Intro, Interior, and Exterior
3:50 Interior Reprise
4:17 The Shoppe and Mechanicals
4:33 Using AI to Replace Jack
5:08 Interview Chief Engineer
6:12 Platform and Suspension
8:12 How to Change the Drive, Chassis Engineer
9:12 TVD Diff
10:58 Safety
12:05 Engine and Transmission Changes
14:22 Driving Impressions
20:50 Final Thoughts - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I applaud Honda for actually engineering the V6 to be 50% cleaner. I'm so glad they didn't go the lazy route and throw the 2.0L turbo on there to quickly meet emissions.
How is it 50% cleaner?
This is NOT a lazy road. This is very difficult to do on a technical side aspect. It's a new engine after all you need to integrate.
Whatever, in Europe, we are discussing if this strange 2L i4 trend, actually brings fuel economy.
You can see Toyota with his 3.5 V6 hybrids, easily underpass the i4's turbo of VW and Volvo in real world application. If your car is big, you need a big engine. But here is the center of the problem.
10% of the readers in this group need big cars. 90% don't need them at all. Because you don't tow, you don't howl, you don't carry a familiy of 3 and more. And this is the center of the problem. We are generating tons of pollution, just because a faith that big car will keep us safe, when it's totally the other way around.
They could have offer inline6 with turbo and keep price at low 40k to start , having tons more torque and overall better build and finish ....sorry Mazda is and have been sooo much better in design and quality than Honda , for many many years now .
Keep on buying Honda so I can get better deal on CX90 😉❤
@k domster I consider Mazda to be more up market and premium than Honda. Honda a
already had the J series V6 platform to work with and improve on. It wouldn't have been cost effective to make a new straight 6 from the ground up. The J series is a reliable engine when you maintain it properly. The timing belt and VCM are a headache but can be taken care with relative ease. They make good power for a N/A engine and are smooth. I think Mazda made a good choice by fitting the all new CX-90 with a 3.3 turbo staight 6. They did t go crazy with the power numbers either. It only produces 280 hp but it it makes a nice 332 lb-ft of torque compared to the Pilots 285hp and 262 lb-ft of torque. The plug in hybrid CX-90 makes 340 hp and 369 lb-ft of torque. The plug in hybrids power numbers are similar to the new Acura MDX Type S 3.0L turbocharged V6 witch makes 355 hp and 354 lb-ft of torque without any electric assist. The regular MDX makes 290 hp and 267 lb-ft of torque. All in all I think the CX-90 is more comparable to Acura and not Honda.
@@boboutelama5748 it doesn't bring fuel economy. The new 2.4L turbocharged 4cyl in the Toyoa Highlander gets less gas mileage than the 3.5L V6 it is replacing. It's all about meeting emissions here in the U.S..
Absolutely bonkers that they didn't put a 4 cylinder turbo in it and kept N/A V6 instead. Love you Honda!
If only those dumb fuck engineers put that engine in the accord and let us have the option to be grown ups and buy what we want and not get told what we need.
Yeah... The Highlander has a better powertrain lineup IMO and everyone else is moving to "big displacement" turbo 4s. I wish this had a 2.4T and a hybrid option
@@future62 why would you want a rattly 4cylinder in this segment vehicle? V6 is the way to go. If they want to improve efficiency then it should be a turbocharged v6 not a turbocharged i4
Sucks it still has a timing belt though.
@@watuwantt torque. I don't want to wind out my family hauler. Hell I don't even want to hear the engine in a family hauler. I have a motorcycle for sound. And a turbo 4 will be cheaper, lighter and lower maintenance than a turbo 6.
Love how you guys let the engineers and designers talk about their product.
The only downside is that it makes it so they can't be critical.
@@jeffk464 that’s true. They still can be critical but there’s a risk of the reps not agreeing to talk again.
Except they're not the actual engineers but just glorified product managers/owners... Whenever you see chief or lead on someones title it basically means they're glorified pen pushers. All of them being white american boomers is also telling. Havent seen a proper american engineer in ages. Most of them aim for the high up positions where they can be lazy, feel important and get the high wages/benefits. Basically parasites of the professional world.
Love how whenever they're talking about larger people mover vehicles, it's always phrased as "towing your little bastards" around and it makes me chuckle every time (I have kids myself.)
Been eagerly waiting for their review on the new Pilot as it's the top car our family is considering. Great video, as always. That removable middle seat in the second row to make two captains chairs is a real game changer.
It's my top choice as well. I'm still waiting for the CX90 to launch, but other than that, the Pilot is my choice.
I'm amazed and pleased that the geese actually like this vehicle! And the convertible 2nd row makes it a top choice for me as well - we have 3 kids and allowing me to have a bench in the 2nd row in the top trim is completely unique to the segment (well, except for the Explorer, and I've heard maybe the Pathfinder, I don't know for sure, but I'm not considering either of those.) I too am waiting for Mazda to get CX-90's out to the reviewers, as it is the 2nd choice for me. 2nd only because unlike the Pilot, I lose a ton of features on the CX-90 in order to keep a 2nd row bench. I.E. the top two trims of the CX-90 force you to get captains chairs. So annoying!
Gave changer! I haven’t heard that phrase much in the last few months in commercials and marketing materials everywhere. So many words in the English language yet people always reach for the low-hanging fruit. 🤦🏻♂️ People just parrot what they hear others say. Oh Americans.
The middle middle seat was removable and stowable in the Highlander since the 2008 redesign, and has been available on 8-passenger Siennas as well, until the advent of the hybrid Sienna when equipped with the $75 spare tire option.
Its still a minivan
This extra truckiness will do well on the next Ridgeline. I’m pretty surprised with the lack of turbo and hybrid systems, but I’m all for it.
If they drop that front fascia, interior, and engine into the Ridgeline it'll sway me over from the other midsize trucks I'm looking at. A Trailsport Ridgeline would be icing on the cake
We do not want all that modern expensive unreliable garbage. Let the rest of Gen Z have it.
@@2004cyrus Its a new engine, new chassis, we have no idea if its reliable or not. The transmission should be good. Honda made a really nice 2.0T/transmission combo and then said nope you don't want it, and took it out of the accord WTF.
Yeah I don't understand why they would put all that effort into a new engine that essentially offers nothing in power or economy over the old one.
@@plmn93 Look at the charts/graphs in the video. The new V6 emits 40-50 percent fewer emissions than the old V6. That's a pretty big deal.
Absolutely love how the video cuts from you customizing your future E-wife straight into the interview with the Honda engineer. 😂
It certainly looks better than its predecessor, and as a Honda owner, I appreciate that they've retained physical controls in their newer models. No, they're not the flashiest brand out there, but they deliver a comfortable, reliable and surprisingly enjoyable driving experience. Nice job again, guys.
Hard to believe that in a giant new SUV, they still tack an iPad on the dash
I'm waiting with anticipation for the 3rd gen Ridgeline based on that Pilot. I have a 2017 RTL-E and there's just not enough improvement on the current redesign for me to upgrade just yet. Let's go Honda!
@@billd9667 small iPad at that.
@@TermlessHGW This is precisely what I'm thinking too. If the current Ridgeline can get updated with similar specs as this Pilot... that would be a winner.
Worst interior in the midsize SUV category goes to the refreshed Atlas
Thanks for this video!!! My wife has had 2 generations of Pilot. My favorite was the first gen, she loved the second gen and both agreed to skip third gen. We were actually planning to buy a Highlander; after seeing this vid we both know we are going to buy this. By the way, this is the first time my wife watched a Savagegesse video and now she understands me better (couldn’t figure me out after 14 years of marriage 🤷🏽♂️).
That’s awesome. Good thing, or else maybe you’d have to leaver her for the AI chick
Yeah man, highlander all the way, that MPG is hard to beat
This reminds me much more of earlier pilots. We had a 2007 which we loved, thing lasted forever too.
@@singular9 The new Toyota turbo 4 requires spark plug changes every 48 months/40K miles… so yea no I thanks
@@rushmatic yikes, our V6 Higlander calls for new plugs every 192K Km
I appreciate these recent videos being offered in HDR. The camera work keeps getting better and better
Isn't it H R D meaning Honda Racing Development not HDR
@jimparsons61 he's speaking about the video not the vehicle
The new V-6 sounds great. I'm sure it will also last forever like most Honda NA V-6 engines. While I love 2 litre turbos for small cars, a V-6 for a larger vehicle like this is almost mandatory. Another *Savage* review.
Size doesnt matter but the weight. And a Pilot is not that much heavier than an Accord. A 2L turbo could perfectly do the job while being more simple, reliable and efficient. V6s, even if NA, are just crappy unbalanced engines worse in almost every department than a similar 4L. People always gets dupped because of the 6 cylinders thingy, thinking 6 is always better than 4 and other shit like that. The only thing V6s are good for is racing due to their compactness and shorter shafts. It helps in packaging and decreasing parasitary rotational forces.
@@an-dr6eu A Honda Pilot is over 1000 lbs heavier than a 2.0T 10-speed auto Accord Sport, for example. That is a significant weight difference. To allow for usable tow capabilities, which is a common use case for these types of vehicles, there is literally no replacement for displacement, or you end up going diesel. 6 isn't necessarily better than 4, but in this use case, I believe it is. Otherwise you're going to look at a larger 2.4/2.5 litre turbo 4 which will need balance shafts anyway.
@@an-dr6euI get the efficiency but did you just call a turbo 4 more simple and reliable than a V6? How?
@@an-dr6euHonda’s V6 is inherently balanced at a 60* bank angle. And it is smoother than the 4 banger and not more complex. We have driven the snot out of 9 different J series V6’s and haven’t been duped about anything. Absolutely fantastic and trouble free engines, every single one.
Add a forced induction option for big loads and towing, especially at higher elevations
The section about safety at 11:00 is a great segment that doesn't get talked about often, ESPECIALLY by other channels. With GMC Hummer being 9k lbs and able to go 0-60 in 4s, you just HAVE to build vehicles with better crash safety in mind.
hey its only a little like a tank, it still breaks plenty too
And then in bulding safer vehicles, the vehicles then weigh more, so they need more powerful drivetrains to move them, making them faster, making them more unsafe to hit you, causing cars to need to be built safer, increasing their weight, and the cycle continues
I disagree. Watch crash tests from 2005. Cars then met a safety standard which saved lives. With modern materials advances, we could have the same structural rigidity in a smaller lighter shell. Less weight, less power required, smaller brakes, less momentum, better ride and handling, better for the environment. And yet, we go in the opposite direction.
Quick let's save the planet, let's build unaffordable 3t EV's. Total bs!
@@TekuTaurus you are 100% correct about the cycle that is occurring. Eventually they need to put a limit on vehicle size and weight, I wonder how far the gov will allow it to go. Or maybe it will get to the point where soccer moms all have class 1 drivers licenses.
@@TekuTaurus an arm race into our bumper car roads.
I have a 2005 Honda pilot 290,000 Miles still drives like new and kept it bought my wife a 2023 Honda Pilot she loves it it’s a fantastic SUV the best in its class V6 Naturally aspirated engine No turbo so the engine will last long till less stress on engine components for sure compared to many others with 4 cylinder turbo engines.
Awesome review. Thanks for not being just another ‘showroom’ like review like tons of wannabe auto-review tubers out there.
37s to get to the Pilot review. With this speed, I might be able to outrun the IRS
This Pilot is a winner - another great video guys.
The only winner in the entire product line up.
Have been going between this and the Grand Highander-- but in trailsport trim with the v6-- especially after this review-- pretty much decided on the Honda with its excellent driving dynamics relative to the segment. Thanks again!
I’m with you. Although Toyota’s torque vectoring is good too and GH already is at 8 inches ground clearance. Tow hitch is an add on. But yes for the money this is a better value especially if you want to stay with the V6.
Yes finally the new Pilot! Absolute win for Honda! As a 2nd gen owner, they finally brought it back to its roots and this indeed a return to form
And I love how they just kept it stupid simple and didn’t even downgrade the engine they kept the V6 which shows if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it
Easily the one to get in the non-premium crossover/SUV 3-row market the best has returned and now I want one badly
No turbo and this is a huge win for Honda. I am glad they did not go on turbo train like everyone else. That's why I'll take pilot over highlander
It has cylinder deactivation though, I've worked on cars all the time that cars with deactivation get stuck off and it's not cheap
People still don’t research what they buying. A VCM and Direct injection. Lol garbage
@@ethanmckibbin VCM Tuner II. Cheap fix.
@@kjcl90Works for my accord.
@@Mike-lt6sj hell yeah brother. My Odyssey drives like a dream haha
Telluride and palisade have been the “media darlings”. This is a big endorsement.
Thanks to this video you helped me convince my wife to get one of these over a Telluride. I wasn't able to get her to see past the shinies and superior interior features of the Telluride to see what made the Pilot a MUCH better vehicle overall until she watched this video with me. As an enthusiast, driving all the other 3 rows was a nightmare. The driver inputs, body control, and suspension characteristics in the competition are absolute garbage compared to the new Pilot. We regularly make a 2 hour drive through very twisty roads and that drive really shows the Pilot's capabilities. We've both been shocked that it handles those roads significantly better than her previous car, a 2019 X3. In the X3 the driver would be exhausted at the end of the drive because keeping the X3 on the road was such a chore. It's a breeze in the Pilot, on top of being significantly more comfortable with more space, better seats and less NVH.
Excited for the next Ridgeline if this is that good.
Friggin' love when Jack says "osso" and "variant". Always my favorite parts of SG videos.
Sad to see the Vtec engine go. It’s definitely my favorite thing about my third gen followed by the torque vectoring rear differential.
But I’m glad that it retained great driving dynamics while improving it all around.
When I was younger I wanted to be a Honda Pilot
I'm something of a Honda pilot myself.
If you drive a Honda Pilot, you Pilot Honda Pilot.
Just picked up the 23 Pilot Trailsport last week. We are loving it so far. Very comfortable and capable. Plenty of space. It looks way better than the previous rounded design which I did not like.
Any dealer mark-up?
@@rajeshbhattacharjee2989 they tried to add on $4k and I said no thanks. Ended up getting it for MSRP as I was about to walk out.
Kudos to Honda for keeping a real transmission and a V6 - nicely done!
I've had my 2024 for 2 weeks and love it!!! Elite trim. Great video!
I still drive my wife’s 2004 Pilot with 208,000 miles on it. She drives a 2017 Pilot and loves it. This new Pilot is causing us to think of replacing the 2004 . Love Honda.😊
The V6 would be a major selling point here. Good job Honda 👍
Thanks for the expert info, Honda engineered a timing cam belt for this V6 engine due to the compact efficient design of the engine, service interval for timing belt to be replaced along with water pump (recommended) 7 years or 100,000 miles, which is not a negative issue for myself, these engines are pretty much bullet proof, us along with our extended family owns several of these Pilots they are great very comfortable, excellent utility, extremely reliable!
I’d take a belt that’s been made with service in mind vs a chain that they say never needs replacing but when it does Is buried deep
This is impressive from Honda. So much power on time, and such a solid body. Must get for me. 👍
We just bought one of these yesterday in the “mainstream” level EX-L trim. Honda just gets it & always has when it comes to making a vehicle you enjoy driving. This is our 7th Honda & you pointed out quite correctly that it’s like driving a large couch down the road. But Honda at least gives it character which is so sorely lacking in todays new cars & trucks. Your focus on a vehicles character & not just the same ole cookie cutter specs & measurements are why this is my favorite automotive focused channel.
No passenger seat lumbar? Not even on top of the line model. Awd or not?
Test drove a trail sport last week and l was surprised at how much I liked it. Feels super spacious with the panoramic moonroof. I’ve test driven the palisade, ascent, Highlander - the pilot was by far the most enjoyable to drive. It’s very confident, smooth, and soaks up the road bumps extremely well.
As a 2nd gen Pilot owner. This version would be the one I would really consider upgrading with. Although mine was severely lacking in the tech department, it is a really good SUV. I’ve been impressed numerous times by what I’ve been able fit and haul in it.
Ditto. Just hauled a 76" stack washer dryer in mine, no issues at all with the 2nd gen layout! 10 foot rain gutter fits inside too.
I am also a 2nd gen Pilot owner. I own a 2013 Pilot Touring 4WD with ALL the tech and 10 years later it ALL works! Running costs are low, even with 117K and all the maintenance done (timing belt/water pump included) so it's hard to justify a new car. Typically, the first couple years of production include bugs and issues that get rectified. After this product matures (give it 2 years), I suspect it'll be a great buy.
2nd gen owner here too with a 2010 EXL. We love our layout & cargo compartment. It feels like moving away from it to a newer SUV we’re losing in so many places - like the rear hatch window that opens!
my best friend growing up, his mom had one of these, and they had a semi move into their lane and take them out, and his mom was so impressed with the safety that she bought another one with the insurance check
@@ramoncliff8946 Rear window hatch for the win. Let's you cram everything in and throw something you forgot on top without spilling everything over the driveway. 2nd gen was OP.
Honda and Acura have impressed me lately. The new Acura RDX and MDX interiors are really nice. Definitely seeing positive things from them
And their chasis are really good. Lexus' are mind bogglingly cheap body wise. Cant believe the shitty suspensions and materials they use in pros of reliability (or so they say), while Honda manages all that while also making the car feel better than a tin can on wheels...
Except the Acura trackpad. No bueno
My mom owns a 2008 Pilot with 240k miles. Through the abuse we’ve put it through, it’s been extremely reliable and it’s usability is spectacular. The VTEC V6 is just icing on the cake.
270K with my Kia Borrego, it has been rock solid reliable.
I like how the new Pilot looks closer to the 2nd generation. I would of like it to be a little more boxy shape in the back, but overall I think it looks pretty good and really glad they kept a V6 as the engine. Good review guys!
I absolutely love the editing in this video. Superb. It's art, Mark.
loved LOVED my 2006 Pilot... got it up to 250K before it finally had too many problems to fix... don't need a 3 row SUV now.. but if I did... this would be what I would buy!
My 06 has 280k miles and still going strong.
@@boomboompao411what work have you had to do on it? Cv Axles? Struts? Engine mounts? Etc
Front CV axles, saggy rear springs, front and rear shocks...tranny still good. Big engine repair was the misfiring cylinder a few years ago. Still passes smog check every 2 years. Really looking into getting the Trailsport.
@@boomboompao411 did you replace them with OEM cv axles? I’ve got an 06 accord with 226K miles. And have done axles and engine mounts. All after market parts don’t seem to work as well as OEM. Curious if you’re had luck with cheaper aftermarket parts.
@@levimagnusson5880 i always try to use OEM parts. i even buy fluids from the dealership 😆
You guys make these commodity snooze mobiles seems interesting. Thanks for another great review!!
Good for Honda for keeping the V6, no turbo, no CVT. Wish I had some little bastards to throw in the back to justify buying it. BTW: Better a "forgettable" Pilot for $40K than a "memorable" XC90 for $60K.
No little bastards here, but didn't stop me from buying the Trailsport. Great off-road capable comfortable nice driving suv.
Thank God you guys are entertaining. Makes these commodity vehicle reviews worth watching! 😂
I enjoyed the engineers talking points & the information slides.
i love honda/acura. Also only reason SG doesn’t have a millions of subs is because they don’t sweettalk every vehicle they review. They make reviews for people who actually want to buy and drive the cars. Keep it up
This thing looks amazing. Kind of wish we were still in the market for a new SUV.
Honda has been killing it lately to be honest. All their cars are looking better than their previous generations, and actually seem like better cars (maybe save for the Accord). This Pilot seems great.
They use to say not your father's Oldsmobile. Well it's not my Accord bought redesign 1990 Accord new traded in for 1994 new redesign Accord. Traded in for new 2000 Acura 3.2TL. I still have at 23yrs old. We have 2007 Ridgeline purchased new. So with no word if the Ridgeline will be redesign. I'm heavily leaning towards new Pilote Elite.
The Ridgeline is not going anywhere.
Also keep the 3.2 TL
A new Accord Hybrid Touring owner here. This was purchased as a temporary substitute before I jump ship to a BMW, but this purchase has made me reconsider about buying any ICE-only vehicle. Design is handsome, and handling has been very good. Google intergration is pretty fantastic as well: it only gets bad rap for design just from the photos, but in reality, this is a pretty good vehicle.
@@ledwinka When I made this comment, the 10th generation (2018-2022) was the latest model which I wasn't a fan of. The 2023 looks much better.
Having traded in a 2017 PILOT EX-L, we got $28,000 for our trade-in, the new black on black EX-L, with AWD, we love the newest PILOT. The handling is great, with great acceleration, and good mileage, we bought a 7 seater with the extra storage under the rear storage area and a full spare tire,( no donut)!
All in all a great buy!
Really impressive review. I was ready to turn my nose up at this video and write it off because it's a Honda car I myself would never consider purchasing, but the attention to detail on what's really changed from one generation to the next and what sets it apart in its segment, that's the special sauce that you get with these guys. Probably have about 3 comments in my history on TH-cam but had to throw some props your way fellas, dump 4 kids into my life and you best believe I'm test driving this ahead of all the competition.
You helped me in my decision making when I bought my 2016 Hyundai Genesis in 2017, 5 years later I know for sure I will be purchasing this as my next vehicle.
Thanks for making really great content.
Thank you for your thorough reviews even though you are getting tired of the SUV category. My wife and I were in between the Telluride and the Pilot. We went with the pilot because I was able to pay attention to the things you said you liked best about the Pilot. Love the content, keep up the great work.
This video over the many that I've watched on this new generation convinced me to order one, and my Trailsport arrived this week. As someone who doesn't necessarily go off-road, but does a lot of backroads, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the thorough review including insight from the factory engineers.
Wow! Great video! I've watched pretty much every 2023 Pilot video out there while waiting for mine to arrive at my dealer, and this is by far the best video I've seen. The others all focus on the features like cup holders and the removable seat and that's fine to show what's inside the vehicle but you guys showed us what's underneath the sheet metal and how this vehicle drives and handles. Thank you so much. I had a first gen 2004 Pilot which I gave to my mom (she's still has it) when I bought my third gen 2016 Pilot and now I'm just a few weeks away from getting this new fourth gen Pilot. I'm very excited about that but I did look at the Kia, Hyundai, MDX, and the Highlander before making my final decision and I'm glad I stayed with the Pilot - especially after watching this video. The Pilot has never been the glamorous beauty queen of the SUV world, but it does what it needs to do and does it well at a decent price and with traditional Honda reliability. Thanks again for making this video. I really enjoyed hearing from the Honda crew - maybe you could post more of that content - and the graphics were also really nice to see. They gave a much better understanding of the design of the vehicle vis-a-vis the power-train and safety features.
4K HDR on my C8 OLED TV is absolutely glorious. Your content is second to none. It's so nice to enjoy the extra work you go through to create content. I truly appreciate it!
The C8 LG is so 2022!! (Good to see it is being viewed on real TVs, thanks)
Absolutely engaging review with a nice balance of the technical and driver experience aspects. It's really helpful, too, to hear how this year's model compares to the previous model as well as its competitors.
It's all about the drive for me...Thank you Honda for keeping the drive alive.
Thanks for the review. I am looking for a large SUV to replace my 2015 Sequoia and have driven the Tahoe, Yukon, Armada, Highlander and Traverse. I then drove the Pilot and was blown away like you guys were. The smoothness of the V6 and the usability of the interior has this at the top of my list for a replacement. Thanks for your honesty. Where in IL are you driving. The flat terrain looked awfully familiar.
Hopefully the Ridgeline gets updated with these changes.
Laughing at my desk when we were introduced to Jack’s replacement. Great content as always
This is exactly the video I needed to help me with the oh so stressful car buying process. Thank you!
Loving the Julian Pie Co shirt! Their pies pair well with some of the best roads in the San Diego backcountry.
I can’t believe I asked for the review the other day and you guys put it out right after 😂. Thanks again guys. You truly are awesome. Savagegeese FTW!
Same here!
Another great review from Savage Geese! Good on Honda for keeping the V6 and really improving the Pilot.
That Honda magic is something special.
One of the best and most informative evaluations of the Honda Pilot I have come across. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and a great vid.
I think it would be great for Honda to show their new off-road interest by bringing back the element as a more or less wrangler/ bronco competitor instead of on these mall crawlers. At this rate we’d see an odyssey trailsport
Yeah I really thing if Honda could out Subaru Subaru, they’d get a huge amount of sales. However, this would mean they’d have to focus on AWD options for the whole lineup (sedans too) like Toyota for example.
@@davewilson7602 absolutely they need help in the awd department. I have a Mazda love it also have an older civic and wanted to upgrade it w a new hatch however not offering all wheel drive made me stick w Mazda
I'm kind of picturing a combination of the old element and the Ford Maverick. Give me a small vehicle footprint, with a durable interior and drivetrain, and a good AWD system. A small but robust tow rating (3500-4000) would be nice so i can tow hay rounds and my Miata when it's broken, but that's secondary.
The way the back seats come out of the old element to have a flat load floor still has me contemplating one.
'mall crawler' -- excellent segmentation😊
I'm just going to say, I haven't watched this episode yet, but I know Savagegeese is going to review this vehicle in such a way that they will give me what I need to know about this car before maybe buying it. The other channels seem to mostly just pump up a car and really hit the highlights. Mark and Jack give you what you need to know after the honeymoon has worn off and what this car is truly like to live with, and thats what I love about these guys.
I been waiting for y'all to review. Y'all take your time but the info is priceless.
First time I saw one of your videos, great review. I love how you go trough every detail in the mechanical
Can’t wait to see how the new CX-90 will compare!
Thankz for the drop great info... i love you guys because of how you guys talk about the different products in detail and how not to sound like fan boys like 99% of other platforms!!
Great info and such detailed explanations on this channel and on the Pilot. Excellent work!
Great video....you two really complement one another.
Wow ! The best review of the 4th Gen Pilot yet anywhere on TH-cam or any publication! You guys hit this out of the park. But would have been good to compare and contrast the iVTM4 vs Acura’s latest SHAWD. Are they same with different names ? Cos the earlier iVTM wasn’t
I bought a brand new 2023 Pilot EX-L on the 18th of Feb, 2023. Just 2 days of driving and I love it. I previously had a 2011 GMC Acadia AWD and this handles much better! Fuel economy is not a big concern for me, it is still better than the GMC I am replacing.
Wow the humor of this video hit home to me. I hope you guys keep it up!
I am waiting for the notification that savagegeese has reviewed the new Maza CX-90. I want to know which one you guys find nicer to drive.
I'm eager to see the new cx-90 compared to this, similar price points and size.
Damn! This is probably the best review ive seen in a long time! Time to follow!
Love the sound on this review. I was hearing both of you on each speaker based on passenger and driver talking. Another great review. Quite surprised at the improvements
Of the 3 row SUV’s I’ve looked that this competes with you loose the 8 passenger configuration when you go one trim higher than the base model which is key because if you are avoiding a minivan then you’d want to seat 3 across in the second row. Wonderful review as always!
Looks like an impressive new version of the Pilot. I would concur with the drive train and ride accolades. I have a 2014 MDX Elite with SH-AWD and it is definitely the most reliable, comfortable, most all around capable and fuel efficient vehicle I’ve ever owned. It even came with adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assist and has the best headlights for nighttime visibility. I can see this new Pilot is going to be a great one to own.
Your 3.5L V6 Premium Gas Guzzling Engine - "Fuel Efficient"? Were you being sarcastic or just ridiculously wrong!
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Great engine and very efficient. It’s not electric but it’s probably better for the environment
Dude. The comments are off the chain on this video. You can tell below that we're mostly car enthusiasts, but this video struck a chord with us in relation to our "other" car. It's so cool too see a different sort of enthusiast connection to SG content and really fun reading folks' individual Pilot stories.
This is my 3rd Honda. Our previous 2 Cars were Honda Accords and biggest selling point for us is Honda’s reliability. However I do have a couple opinions, on the Positive I love the new style, I don’t want to drive something to be mistaken as a mini van. We bought the 2024 Touring, but I feel the Heated steering wheel should have been part of the standard package for this trim level. Needs a little bigger more modern looking Infotainment center, needs a higher resolution rear view camera. I had a 2019 Ram 1500 and that had one of the clearest cameras I’ve seen to date. I love the Bose stereo, I wish it wasn’t so costly to add an OEM tow hitch, should have a small removable access panel to add the hitch instead of the need to replace a large section of the bumper which adds lot of cost to the consumer. I like the ability to remove the middle part of the 2nd row to switch between 7-8 passenger mode. When remote starting there should be a visual indicator on the outside like turn on the parking lights or something, my old Ram truck did that when I started it remotely to turn on the parking lights. Also for interior dash lights, the brightness should automatically dim when you turn on the headlights so it’s not too bright at night, don’t want to keep adjusting brightness between day and night since it doesn’t auto adjust. Also with the 10 speed transmission, when I first accelerate it seems to go through a lot of gears 4 maybe 5 gears already before I even reach 25mph. I just notice it from a cold start but after it warms up normal driving it seems better after. Wish touring trim also had the power folding mirrors. I’ve only had it since Friday which is only 5 days now. If the Trailsport had the Bose stereo I’d opt to get that one, but my dealer only had EX-L, Touring, and Elite trims, no Trailsports on their lot and I wanted a car now. I love it so far minus the few gripes I’ve mentioned but overall nothings perfect and some room for improvement but best choice for me for what’s currently available… ❤
HDR looks good! Idk if it’s worth the production headaches but glad to see it paid off 🎉
Great review. I like how you get into the technical analysis of the car, without being overly complicated. It also drives home how much effort and money goes into each new car model now.
Nice, lengthy review over 20 minutes. Love it.
Excellent, informative review as always. Curious to see how the coming Grand Highlander compares to this. Can’t wait to see your review on that.
We love our 21 Pilot EXL. It's all about the functionality (not a real looker) and it delivers in spades.
I've been putting off replacing my 2004 Pilot with a new one that I actually like. I was considering the Passport, but it's really boring looking! This one is the one I have been waiting so patiently for. Not only is it better-looking but it seems to fix the things I didn't like about my 2004. Thank you Honda. Hopefully it will last me 19 years as well.
2 row passport with high load floor and a similarly boring interior is just such a utility and resale downgrade from the Pilot. Get the Pilot. - a former Passport owner.
I enjoy the good cop, bad cop and honest cop reviews that you give. I’ve been following you for years keep up the good work
Great review, came here for the discussion of driving character, left fully satisfied 💯. This is really encouraging for my future inevitable CUV daily driver family life 👍
Well done Honda, this is the kind of SUV I look for and a big reason why (premium space or not) the Acura MDX is my first pick with the Pilot looking like a very good second choice.
Have owned our 2023 Pilot Elite for one month. Couldn’t agree more with your assessment. Outside of the steering feeling a bit too light for my taste, driving dynamics are top notch. Honda missed an opportunity though not offering a 12” infotainment display and a few other niceties like digital rear view mirror, larger IP, and LED rear turn signals on the top trim. Overall, very happy with my early build example.
And one more thing - fake exhaust outlets are just plain silly on any car, including the 2023 Pilot Elite. This trend has got to stop!
No passenger lumbar?
@@tigerlicks232 You'll probably need to upgrade to an MDX for that feature.
The thing drove horribly IMO. Overboosted limp steering, loads of NVH, handled like a boat, cheap feeling interior.
My parents just picked one up and they love it! They were also looking at a Sienna, but with the MSRP markups, this was their pick.
Recently discovered your guys' channel and love everything about the videos. What comments can you offer about the audio system? You mentioned the BOSE audio system coming with the higher trims, so was curious how it performed during your tests. Thanks again for the great videos!
Great video! I have the 2021 Passport and I hope they bring some of the same "refinement" to the future models. I don't need the 3rd row and I love the size of the Passport.
The transmission blows in it compared to this 10 speed.
Summary: Really good for what it is. Don't get this as a front wheel drive. So much better than the old one. Torque vectoring rear diff works really well. The new best mainstream 3 row SUV.
Great review. I’ve rarely seen you this complimentary about any vehicle.
Wow Jack, 137 missed calls. You’re a very busy man. I love the music choice.
Burner, most definitely
You guys absolutely nailed this review. Excellent information (took some screenshots for later review). I dinged you guys in the past for being too “silly”. You got the silliness perfect in this one. 🤣
Looks much better than last year's model! I'm considering this, but I'm also interested in the '24 Mazda CX-90. Of course, availability of these things without outrageous dealer markup seems to be a continuing issue.
The Mazda CX-90 comparison will be interesting. Mazda went all in with a dedicated RWD platform. All or nothing, which I feel HONDA as a brand should have gone in with say with the Legend in the 90s... and large SUVs... time will tell