The Winner Is Obvious: 2023 Toyota Highlander vs 2023 Honda Pilot | AWD Torture Test & Off-Road
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Building your own controlled environment was the best thing you could have ever done. Congrats to TFL for the excellent comparisons, overall content and forward thinking.
It is great, as it establishes a baseline and makes comparisons across multiple vehicles easier, even if they are not in the same video.
But I still think some good old raw trail footage is great, not for the best comparison tests but for just some action and drama
@@AHungryHunky absolutely. I'll never forget Roman flogging that little Suzuki SX4 up the Jeep trail so many moons ago. 😅
I swear Tommy I feel like I’m looking at your dad more and more on these videos. It’s been so cool watching you grow into your critical role to this channel and I feel like it’s not addressed
The most amazing results from these tests are...they didn't spontaneously combust like the Dodge Hornet did 😅
JDM all day lol
When did this happen? 😂
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I own a Honda Pilot. I live in Canada and drive it in real world situations involving snow. The traction control system is useless. In deep snow, slush, or very slippery situations, i turn off the traction control. Yes i turn it OFF. What I have found with the traction system on, the computer cuts the power when there is wheel slip, which is the last thing you want. All this does is makes you sink and plows you deeper into the snow. With it off, the pilot responds a lot better by having all four tires spin at once without having any power cut, which allows you to build momentum. With the traction control off, you are relying on the Pilots limited slip differential system which is a lot better if you know how to take advantage of this system. You need to be confident on the gas and understand how to counter steer and yes, good quality snow tires are a must. You wouldn't want to go long distances in conditions like this, but if you want to get out of an unplowed parking lot or down a back lane to a plowed street, this has always worked best for me.
I have the new 2023 Honda Pilot Touring!! This is my third pilot. I’ve had the 2011,2016 and now the 2023. They never disappoint!
So how do you like the 2023 vs the 2011? Is it as roomy as the 2011? The generation between the two just seemed too small. The wife really likes the boxier style of her 2012, but we haven’t actually seen a 2023 on a lot.
Our 2016 pilot's engine started knocking a rod which is a known issue from a manufacturing defect. Honda denied our good will request. We traded it for a Toyota. Honda is not accountable for their mistakes. Beware.
Glad I bought a 2022 Highlander with the V6.
Yup im going with the pilot for that reason
In my 50 years of driving I have never encountered rollers. I must need to get out more. Joking, nice tests Tommy
I’m pretty impressed with the Pilot , the Highlander did very well for what 9/10 people would need , if you needed more off road it’s just logical to go to the 4runner or sequoia , Honda doesn’t offer something else more capable so I guess that’s why they put the extra effort into the off road variant of the Pilot , excellent comparison video Tommy 👍🏼
Well if you live in an area where with snows, the Highlander's performance is not acceptable. There will be scenarios where only one wheel has traction
@@AE86FTS I do and have most of my life and I agree but I’m not sure of your point when I stated if you need more then buy something else lol
@@JohnJeep7 well you stated that the Highlander's will satisfy 9/10 people, implying that only 1/10 live in areas where it snows
Many fwd vehicles survive in snowy climates tho
@@AE86FTS9 out of 10 drivers in snowy areas currently drive vehicles less capable than the Honda. Heck many of us got by just fine for decades with open diff 2wd. I don't think you understand what people actually need. Every storm I see capable vehicles in the ditch because some people believe AWD/4wd systems can defy the laws of physics.
The roller tests are great indicators of how well a vehicle's AWD is sorted out. Thanks.
Love this video. As a Canadian where winters can be harsh and where more vehicles on the road have awd than not this was fantastic comparison
Awesome comparison I have driven the 2023 Highlander AWD XSE and I will say it’s super comfortable on road and nice to see where the limitations are incase you go a little off road or in snowy situation… Keep up the good work guys!! You’re the best on TH-cam!!
The LED headlights is awesome! I am on Honda Ridgeline but it same great expedience with special LED headlights.
Great test there Tommy. I just wonder in the future if you guys can do these tests with an actual load of passengers or cargo to see if their power trains have enough grunt to really tackle your tests.
that's a great idea!!
Thank you for these tests! Really helps with the purchase decision on our first SUV.
what are you getting?
Honda's tourqe vectoring AWD is awesome in daily use. I've never taken my Ridgeline off-road but drive in snow in a hilly area. Never let me down once.
Highlander also has torque vectoring AWD in upper trims.
I totally agree! Same daily experience with Honda's torque vectoring AWD on my Ridgeline in winter. Vectoring system is not only "get you unstuck" it feels like it puts back of your car back on straight line if had some slide at unexpected slippage. It works in both, in straight line move and in 90 turns.
@@mct8888Why on higher trim levels but not standard? They made tons of money by spending almost no r&d for almost a decade on their dinosaur old models like 4runner and Lexus GX and still not making a torque vectoring diff not standard.
@@gunesinan814 dude I don’t know, cost savings for people who don’t care about that stuff. It’s barely noticeable to soccer moms.
Nice review, but if I need my Highlander or Pilot to do this, I'd buy the 4Runner.
Really appreciate the commentary on accelerator input. Very valuable insight
A tough ask, it would be great to be able to actually throttle/pedal position during these tests.
Honda's IVTM-4 is totally underrated. I can attest that the Ridgeline rocks on the ice and snow.
6:50 For the Highlander you have to turn traction control off to engage the 3rd wheel. This same test was done with a 4 runner and after traction was turned off it pulled out.
Same was true for the 2001-2007 Sequoia. I never got stuck over 250,000 miles, even with street tires.
Turning traction control off?? Makes no sense.
@@anon0054 Have you ever seen the same tests done on a Highlander or 4Runner? I saw the same test performed and they failed in the same maneuver but once the traction control was turned off, it allowed all wheels to activate automatically as a default for more power allowing the truck to move off the stuck track. The way Toyota programs the traction control, it limits all wheels from spinning which is why it failed this test. I'm too old to be sitting here and making up stuff to get keyboard warrior points.
Both great family haulers! The Pilot, being the “TrailSport” model has more “trail-friendly” tires vs the Highlander tires look like more all season tires. The IVTM-4 system is probably more off-road tuned. I’d be interested to see how a Pilot Touring or Elite would do on this test. Great content guys, keep it coming!!!
Wonderful and informative comparisons of the 2 vehicles. Thank you!
Great review. In the market for a Pilot and would love to see a comparison between the Trail Sport i-VTM4 w/ Trail Torque Logic AWD vs the EX-L standard i-VTM4 system. Debating between the bench seats and the AWD system trade-off.
Trail torque logic allows for electronic differential locking
Interesting test. We bought a new highlander and the engine sadly hasn’t held up for daily driving. It has serious acceleration issues of not providing power on take off and surging and bucking. I thought I was alone but found lots of online complaints for the same thing. Sadly selling it back as a lemon. My credit union says it’s the 3rd one for them.
I wonder if you tried the system with the traction control off, what it would do? My Tacoma with traction control off will not limit wheel speed, but will still allow the brakes to stop the spinning/slipping wheel. Then giving more power to the wheel with grip.
Great video! Can you do another j one with the pilot compared against the 4runner and sequoia? 😮
I really like these slip tests. It really shows what the vehicle can do/can't do.
I build these cars (Honda Pilot )at the production plant, then work weekends and overtime repairing and diagnosing manufacturing issues. The Trailsport is an excellent crossover, and with HUD options, 1/4” thick underbody shields etc it’s a great vehicle.
amazing i am looking for honda pilot, i hope it wont dissapoint
I think it makes sense to make the Highlander mostly a road vehicle that has AWD just for the occasional inclement weather. I bet just as many, if not more, Highlanders are sold without AWD to be honest. I hate that car manufacturers even put something like a "rock mode" on a Highlander. I do like the Pilot looks compared to the Highlander, but the 4runner still looks better 13 years later. Given the 4runner is the true off-roader for Toyota, the Honda has to try and play double duty to compete. Would be interesting to get a Limited 4runner with the full time 4wd to compare. That specific trim seems to be the go to choice for those moms that want to look cooler than their Highlander/Pilot counterparts.
Honda would naturally put system in the Pilot. The Ridgeline and Passport have it. They will again get upgraded IVTM4 AWD like Pilot.
Driving Sports TV did real world in of the Acura Super Handling AWD vs Honda IVTM4 AWD System.
They are mechanically simular but tuned differently. That was 2019 and they upgraded the systems.
2023 Ridgeline and Passport would still have that same IVTM4.
They will get new like 2023 Pilot.
Unknown if Ridgeline and Passport will get more than 1 capable trim like TrailSport Pilot.
Good video. How much do the tires on the Honda trail sport count? The highlander looks like a limited with highway tires
I'm so amazed by the Pilot, really excellent job Honda!! It's miles and miles better than the old AWD system they have
ehh I slightly agree. but the older system that was in the '22 pilot was still really good.
@@tameemuddin2583 I'm talking about -+10 years ago when their AWD system was still rubbish.
They shouldn't have replaced with a turbo charged engine the six dollar their engine in Toyota. It was extremely reliable.
Honda’s AWD systems are top notch. Always have been.
I wonder how they both perform on a sand. Some systems that do well on the rollers can overheat when constantly engaged on surfaces like sand or mud.
Nice! Please more tests for both vehicles.
Excelente vídeo bro 👍👍👍👍👍
My 2 Cents
Too many turbo engines have more problems than the V6 that they replace. Turbo or supercharger for towing or high performance where they were first used. Owners must follow oil changes using the shortest time or distance schedule to get the best life out of the turbo engines.
Emissions are forcing the turbos, but the lack of reliability will push people toward electric. It’s totally the plan to get us to turn against our gas cars.
The Honda engine is not simple by any means. It too is highly reliant on technology of questionable reliability to push the limits of performance and economy.
@plmn93 Your right they are all more complex with the EPA mandates. We have been running our Honda with the V6 with hundreds of thousands of miles now with only regular maintenance. So we are happy with it. Some family has had tubo seals go out on their turbo engines under warranty and then again out of warranty. I am old and was a diesel engine rebuilder in the 1960s and 70s. I still do most of the family's vehicle work. Haha I work cheap parts and meals is all.
Honda's turbo has so many issues with fuel injector and oil dilution
The pilot has a natural V6 vs 2.4 turbo in the Highlander, The Pilot has an edge and wins the battle. I never been a fan of Turbo engines
Great comparison! That Honda checks a lot of boxes, just wish it could tow a 6500lb travel trailer then I would downsize from my Ram 1500!
Lol, it says “Limited AWD” right on the rear of the Toyota. 😂
Were the tires similar in tread patterns on both vehicles? That makes a big difference.
I would love to see a similar comparison with Trailsport Pilot and Onxy Ascent.
I'd be more intrested in a driving comparison between the 2 and 0-60/towing times. Are you guys planning on doing that?
Or even comparing the new turbo highlander to the outgoing v6 models.
Hi @tfl , which is more capable off-road , Pilot trailsport or Grand Cherokee L limited ?
do you have this comparison for Subaru ascent vs Honda Pilot?! I love this. I havent seen it anywhere else and this is exactly what I've been wondering. thank you!
We have a 2004 pilot with 300000 kilometres on it, It has a vtm button on the dash that locks the front and rear axle in first second and reverse below 20 miles per hour but it doesn’t have traction control. Although it has always got the job done!
How is the Pilot vs. Bronco Sport Badlands for this test?
I think pilot got a slight advantage with all terrain tires, but still its the clear winner👍 6:10
Is the 2023 Lexus RX 350 AWD turbo drivetrain basically the same as the highlander drivetrain , with torque vectoring AWD and multi terrain selector ?
I just bought the Pilot Touring, wonder if trailsport tires will will fit on other Pilot trim levels? I like the options on Touring trim, but would also like more all terrain tires on it too
Has the RAV4 or RAV4 Prime been put on the rollers and tested yet? I suspect it will do about the same as the Highlander
The highlander limited has the torque vectoring diff, the xse doesn't. So you'll need to retest with a limited or higher trim.
I am curious what you feel about the Trail Pilot vs Wilderness Forester? Obviously not the same class of vehicle, but the Forester would have a very similar AWD system as the Ascent. I'm curious how the Pilot/Ascent compare.
I have a 2022 highlander hybrid... love the gas mileage
I’d love to see the pilot compared against the outback wilderness. My wife and I are cross shopping these two at the moment. We might even wait for an updated passport since we don’t really need a 3 row, but I’d love to see a comparison of trailsport vs wilderness.
Wait for the Passport
I don’t recommend a CVT for AWD
I was cross shopping these two as well and really really interested in the trailsport, ended up pulling the trigger on an outback wilderness a few weeks ago. Deciding factors came down to $10k lower price, better mpg, and better ground clearance. But I still think the pilot would have been pretty sweet and I could have gone either way. If honda got the price difference a little closer it would have been a much harder decision
wait for the passport. it will have more ground clearance than the pilot and won’t have a cvt like the subaru (best avoided)
You don't really need a side-by-side comparison -- if an offroadish crossover is on your shopping list, either one would be capable of far more than you're likely to need. If you do need/want more, then the next step up would be a Jeep GC with 4LO and air-suspension (with either 2 or 3 rows). There are plenty of videos of the Wilderness taking on challenging terrain, and quite a few with the Trailsport as well. If you don't need the 3rd row, the Wilderness will be a more nimble daily driver and use somewhat less gas. If you're going to be towing, the 5000# limit for the Pilot compared to 3500# limit of the Subaru may be important. Drive both and see which one makes you grin more.
I had a 2022 outback wilderness and traded it for a 2023 Honda pilot touring and never looked back. Go test drive both. The Honda is a lot smoother and is much quicker in sport mode.
Just to point out Hondas approach is different smaller alloy, thicker tyre and much more aggressive thread, definitely plays a role on the trail. Or was Honda some kind of Adventure spec?
I'd be willing to bet that Honda's Pilot and Passport with AWD and Acura's RDX and MDX with SH-AWD would all pass pretty easily. The Acura's ground clearance would be an issue, but Honda and Acura by far make one of the best AWD systems.
I have a 02 jetta 2.0 slow w a 5 speed manual and 250k. Its worth $12. But gets me everywhere i need to go. 😂
These new car prices quickly deflate my desire for an "upgrade" aka setback. Love the vids guys. Ty!
I'll buy it for $13
@@yissibiiyte sentimental value is priceless:)
Great test! Though I wish you mentioned the tire class difference. The pilot has an all terrain type tire while the Highlander has a more street dedicated tire
I believe a more compelling comparison would be the Pilot Elite against the Grand Highlander Hybrid Max. Two very different AWD systems but everday (not trail oriented) top trims from both manufacturers.
I own a 4runner and an MDX.
Unless the snow is a foot deep, the MDX is a better choice in bad weather.
The Pilot is taking some design ques from the 4Runner. The sloping "C" pillar has a real 4Runner vibe.
I wonder how the new Grand Highlander Hybrid Max will do on this test?
So how is the road noise in the pilot TS with that near full length sunroof? Cause my Odessy with its small sunroof, you can def hear the difference with the solid slider open vs closed. Does the TS have a cover that rolls into place. Test drove a 23 pilot ex-l yesterday, no sunroof and quiet overall but wondering what the sunroof does to road noise ? There was not a TS available to compare it too.
I meant air/wind noise not road noise
Does anyone know . . . When I compare the specs of the Honda Passport EXL and the TrailSport, I don't see any operational difference (motor/transmission/torque/whatever) except the type/style of the wheels/tires. I LOVE the look of the TrailSport, but don't care to pay the additional $$$ for the tires and "features" if not necessary. Our biggest off-road use would be sand on Hatteras beaches in NC. Does the TrailSport have any additional "ability" to handle different terrains beyond what the tires provide? We're also comparing the Passport to the Subaru OBW. I believe the OBW has 9.5" ground clearance versus 8.1" for the Passport.
Wow… can you put the Palisade in these tests as well? I’ve been favoring the Highlander all this time and I think I just changed my mind.
It looked like the honda had a more offroad tire with bigger tread blocks which could be helping it literally grip on to the rollers. The issue in these tests isn't just the wheel spin but rather, tire grip.
Still want to see an Acadia AT4 and Explorer Timberline compared like this as well. Through an Ascent in there too.
Regarding the Highlander AWD system. In snow it’s amazing. I have a 13 highlander limited and with snow tires it can easily get through deep snow even snow that is slightly higher than the clearance.
I’d agree 100%. In fact besides the top trims with the torque vectoring AWD, the 2nd gen Highlanders (2008-2013) AWD systems were amazing. I can personally testify to that with my 2008. I might even say it is better than the current non torque vectoring system.
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I wonder would there be anything different if its V6 Limited Highlander instead.
So then what is the big difference between the highlander and rav4?
I’m a Toyota guy. I’ve owned FJ’s, Land Cruisers and Tundras. That being said; I also had two Ridgelines. In my opinion no one makes a better AWD system than Honda. They are a beast in the snow.
Subaru
I would definitely say Subaru has the awd system pretty well nailed. At least as far as daily driving goes. The biggest difference maker overall (besides awd vs 2wd) is tires though.
+1 for Subaru’s symmetrical AWD with the low center of gravity of the boxer engines.
Boxer engine has always been subaru's selling point. It has also been the weakest link in all their cars.
Audi makes the best AWD.
You should compare it to the pathfinder or qx60!
Can anyone please let me know if the Elite does tue same off the rollers as the TS? Thanks
did left front only for the highlander but changed to right front only for the pilot, why didn't you do left front only for both ?
you let the left front have traction on highlander and right front on the pilot. typically right front gets the power on an open diff. would have liked to see the same orientation used across the comparisons.
I noticed that too👍
Did this Highlander have the optional torque vectoring AWD system?
Yes
I have a 21 Ridgeline, great all purpose vehicle. Before that, I had a 2008 RL, now my son drives it, never a problem, GREAT in snow. Boy was I disappointed to realize that my new RL had worse angles and slightly less ground clearance than my 2008, when I was hoping for a slight improvement. I have never had the nerve to take the new one off road, not with 7.6" ground clearance(good grief) and only a bit over 20º approach angle. I have been waiting for better ground clearance and angles and skid plates in either a Pilot or Ridgeline. To my utter amazement, they lifted this Pilot an inch but still managed to have worse approach angle than my already poor Ridgeline. WTH Honda? That wonderful AWD system(the best?) completely hindered by the angles. But, Kudos on the skid plates. Oh well, maybe the newer Ridgeline will get er done. I love my Ridgelines, but I'd love them even more with a "trail" option that actually had a reasonable amount of ground clearance and improved angles. Just watch the Truck King test of the new Pilot ( a Trail model I think? ), they go to cross a ditch that most other vehicles do, and they abort due to fears of the front bumper being ripped off. Then TFL's Nathan gets stuck in a desert/Moab mud hole. Of course, anyone can get stuck in the mud, but this one did not look all that deep(but maybe it was). Most likely, high centered under the low front end. And yes, he complained about the 19 something degree approach angle messing up an otherwise excellent vehicle. And one with a GREAT AWD system.
Love Alex's push on the Toyota 😂😂😂
If you are buying a car with 3rd row seats, I'm assuming 3rd row is a priority. If so then nothing can beat Honda pilot.
I drive 2017 Honda pilot. 100k miles no issues. Low maintenance.
For a beast of that size, it's not sluggish at all.
18 mpg/23 mpg in cities/highways.
I'm waiting for a new Highlander longer version available for testing
Like the omega swatch !
love the MoonxSwatch!
I love these roller tests.
Oh yes 👍
The Pilot Trail Sport is running on AT tires. It looks like highway tires on the Highlander. That’s a big uncontrolled variable.
Isn’t a factor in rollers.
Honda has really impressed with this AWD system 👏 👏 👏
Nice test
Love this test! Toyota engineers should watch this video.
I hope when Honda brings hybrid/phev to their SUV platforms itll have the same torque vectoring awd system.
Acura "had" the Sport Hybrid sh-awd system with the 17-20 MDX, 14-20 RLX, and 17-20 NSX. It had tq vectoring with regen braking and could operate in 1wd to 4wd depending on the performance needed, steering angle, lateral forces, and throttle position. The city/combined/hwy mpgs were the same with the sport hybrid powertrain. Not sure why Acura/Honda dropped this system.
@@mrgold3591Acura dropped it to focus on evs and they stated Honda would be taking over the hybrid business
The rollers are good because when you do real-world traction tests, it's a tire test as much as it's a vehicle test.
The v6 highlander would be awesome.
Pretty impressive for Honda. In Toyota's defense, their 4Runner is more suited for off-roading. I drove an AWD Pilot for 8 years. Loved that vehicle.
Still find it hard to believe there is no V6 option on the Highlander.
Doesn't the highlander have a diff-lock mode?
That 2.4 being around since the Nx came out I believe since 2016
The previous generation NX used the 2.0l 8AR-FTS engine. That engine was replaced by the new 2.4 turbo
The 2.4 came out in 2022 as part of the 2nd gen NX.
Do the Grand Highlander
Can anyone tell me which of the two I should buy ?
Honda has really been impressing lately
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Impressed with the pilot. Like to see how the Subaru Ascent takes this course. Pretty sure you guys haven’t tried to off road one since you attempted to take one up Gold Mine Hill. I’m still holding out for a Wilderness Edition Ascent.
The CVT is really the limiting factor in the Ascent, Subaru makes a great AWD system but they paired it with a transmission that is not at all meant for off roading.
Let’s hope when the Ascent Wilderness debuts it’s with Aisin’s 8 speed traditional automatic transmission and not that cheap Jatco/Fuji garbage.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770
It’s not, that trim is just a another trim, it’s too cost prohibitive to change a transmission just for a trim.
@@smrtguy77777 I was thinking Subaru would do a next generation Ascent. It’s due for a redesign.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770
The 2023 Ascent is the mid cycle refresh year, bigger screen, updated front end, etc. I don’t picture the 2nd gen arriving until the 2027MY. By that time the ascent might go BEV or plug in.
No mention of the difference in tires??? On the roller test, it wouldn't have mattered, but the tires on the Honda looked to be an off-road tire vs the less aggressive passenger tires on the Highlander. Both vehicles look like they'd do the job getting the family to a campsite or trailhead though.
Honda’s AWD system is great I loved it in my 2019 Passport, shame the rest of the car was junk. I’d like to see a how a Grand Cherokee L does in this test
Junk? What issues u had ?
@@andersonrodriguez8258 Story time. Popping in the speakers that no matter how many wiring harnesses they replaced it wouldn’t fix it. I think they should’ve tried a new head unit myself but I could be wrong. But after 7 trips to the dealer for it and having the entire interior of the car torn apart I didn’t trust it to not catch on fire either and I just didn’t want it. The transmission would randomly drop into neutral if I would start to roll then punch it to dart across an intersection or something and I almost got side swiped because of it stalling out. The auto high beams never worked right, the forward collision would randomly brake even though I hit the button to turn it “off.” I got it right when they first came out and I understand you should never buy the first model year of a vehicle but I thought being a Honda it would be okay. It’s ironic that the 2019 Dodge Durango R/T I bought to replace the Passport has been problem free for 3 years compared to the Honda that was in the shop more than I had it
Very unusual for a Honda to be that problematic
Passport owners are well aware of those common problems in the 2019+ PP's. They are real issues.
@@DurangoRTGuy2019 Similar problems with my 22 Ridgeline RTL-E , auto high beams constantly switch on and off, forward collision going off on two lane roads, wireless charger that does not actually charge, reverse button not registering pushes, head unit freezes with car play, and passenger window motor half as fast as the rest of the windows to open or close.
I don’t think I’ve seen you test the Explorer Timberline yet. Have you? We just bought a 2023 2 weeks ago. Like it so far
I want to see the slip test on the new 2023 all-wheel drive Prius and maybe even a 2019 all-wheel drive Prius. Just the roller tests to see how they do on those two tests.