How well are those rear seat tablets physically isolated from the structure of the front seats they're attached to? Because when I'm on my 4th can of Red Bull, driving my probably-soon-to-be-ex-wife Heather and our 2.5 brats to her domineering parents' house for another awkward Thanksgiving, the last thing I need is Brayden sitting behind me pecking away at the screen like a G*D DAMN JACKAL!!!
@@agenericaccount3935 At the very least, maybe a steering wheel button to disable the RSE when Brayden finally pushes me over the edge during the "Challenging Stage" of a game of Galaga.
@@tommcm503 Great idea. Steering wheel button that just broadcasts a specifically tuned stroboscopic effect on the RSE. Once the seizures subside, the kids should be pretty quiet for the rest of the journey. “Go Go Power Rangers”
Huge thanks to Jeep engineers for making this possible. It was great to see the UX engineer talk about the infotainment experience. As always, wonderful video by savagegeese!
I truly appreciate the fact that Jeep gave you access to their team because, with your ability to ask the right questions, it adds so much to the depth of your videos (and it also adds an appreciation to this vehicle that I wouldn't have without it).
SG doing "god's work" with the content they have been creating. No other channel goes into this type of review where you get but engineers and UI designers to present their product from a technical perspective and not just a PR/mktg flash. I have so much appreciation for this channel and props to Jeep to stepping up to the plate and providing support in MOAB of all places!
I was just going to comment that it was really nice to hear it from the manufacturer directly! Could we get more og these? In particular Acura, where they have put a TON of engineering in to their cars and they seem to get the underdog reviews. I know there is a lot more in these cars and it'd be really interesting to hear it from these designers along with Savagegeese asking the tough questions. It really shows the manufacturers care about their products!
@@chbrules It sounded more like technical or in-house jargon. Engineering is much different than marketing. You can tell the difference because when he uses jargon, you can surmise what it is. When someone from marketing uses jargon, you wonder if he is talking about vehicles.
Coming from a medium sized family where we would frequently go on road trips the screen layout and design is absolute genius. Even now that I’m older and I find myself going on trips with friends the ability to send the driver navigation directions or send a movie to the back for the kids is so practical. I can see families who own this car using that every day
I got an L in September and have been absolutely thrilled with it. It is excellent off road running fire trails and old ghost town wagon ruts. I have yet to find a road or trail it can't traverse, as long as it physically fits. It has been great in the Montana snow as well. It just chugs along with zero issues. Add to that the excellent refinement in the interior, usable tech and luxury features that are relevant to how I use a vehicle and I am thrilled with it. I was comparison shopping it just to check it off the list against the older 4 Runner (which I had planned on buying going in), unobtanium Bronco and the Explorer. Hands down winner for me.
From 2004 to 2021 I’ve had 7 Grand Cherokees in my family. They are practical, comfortable and great in snow. That’s why I keep buying them. I also have premium SUVs in my garage but a Jeep GT has a nich of its own.
Shouldn't life be about experiencing new things and go out of your comfort zone a little? Not saying owing 7 Jeeps at times is a bad decision or so but a freshness of some different should be welcomed.
@@henrybrar No, life in reality is about establishing a routine and understanding your inputs and outputs. It’s not always about leaving a comfort zone, especially where financial experimentation is concerned.
My best friend in college's dad works for Jeep and I got the join some of these guys in the video for some off roading in Moab before the pandemic hit. Seriously some of the most creative, kind, interesting people I've ever met. Great video as always
i always appreciate how in depth you guys go about car audio. it’s always thrown out of other reviews which annoys the hell out of me. i wont even consider a car with a trash system regardless what it is. there’s a magic to me of a long drive in a great car with a superb stereo, it can set the entire mood of a spirited drive, but a bad sound system cheapens the experience for me. i know a lot of people don’t share my feelings on that, but it’s a important part of the buying decision for my personal life. so thanks for doing that for us sound fanatics out there.
Just one question really...the content is far far better than any of car reviews that you can find, why dont these guys have 2-3 million subs? Its ridiculous
Because just like Jeep's review sums up to be honest, these guys have honest audience. The reviews are not flashy and they don't get over excited for nothing like Doug or shout at your face like straight pipes.
Yeah, I get that, its not Striaght Pipes - everything is sooooo exciting or Throtle House - same as straight pipes :D but I am still hopeful, that people want good videos, actual informative reviews, not just flashy BS.
Outstanding review, as always. So much more in depth than other reviewers. As great as the cabin looks, the quality issues you pointed out, especially at everyday touch points (and the horrendous piano black) would really irritate me if I bought this, especially the fully loaded model. Manufactures, please STOP with the piano black!
Really loved the B roll with the snow falling. It seemed fitting for the car, and it was a nice visual juxtaposition against the drone shots in Moab. Honestly, it's getting hard to focus on the technical details when the videos are so well shot!
2:55 THANK YOU GUYS for doing your professional sound analysis on cars. I do value that. No other reviewers do that. I do put you guys on another level for it.
When you say they have a few things that could be improved on and I'm sure they will.... I'm not sitting around waiting , you get what you get for that year. Thank you for being thorough.
You never mentioned that this car is flat towable-which is one of the main reasons we just purchased one. My car needs to be able to be pulled behind our motorhome, used for fun activities while camping or day trips, and be acceptable to me as my daily driver. Jeep has almost no competition for this market.
My major concern is SO much added complexity. This sounds like a vehicle you don't want to own out of warranty. Friends with recent Jeeps report issues which affirm that as well.
Completely agree. Jeep has a poor reputation for reliability and having SO many extra parts, systems, features, options.....this is asking for trouble in 3 years...
That UI guy interview should have included the question why glossy black is used everywhere, followed by an on-camera beating. The masses demand accountability.
@@Ethan7s I might fall into that 5% that go places... I don't need fancy systems, but do need a bed. I make due with quality 10 ply AT tires with some sidewall, 4lo, rear-locker, and skid plates... the bilsteins are nice too. it's just a plain ol' 2012 5.0 F-150 XTR, the running boards are pretty dented from rocks/trees and the paint has a lot of scratches. oh well. 296k on it currently and uses 1/2 a quart between changes, which is better than some new ones. it owes me nothing.
I took delivery of my 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Reserve V8 2 weeks ago (1/12/22) and have been very impressed. I do agree with your analysis of the McIntosh Audi system being off (too bass heavy and lacking audio detail). Where I disagree with your analysis is what type of buyer the upper-level trims attract. I’ve owned Mercedes, BMWs, Audis and most recently a Porsche Macan S. You can’t get a decently equipped base version of any of those for what you can get a fully loaded 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Reserve ($71,515). I was very impressed with the features, quality and look of the new Summit Reserve trim, but what have easily looked away at the Limited or other models before buying another German. Night vision, massaging seats, quilted leather, 4 heated and cooled seats, passenger screens and pano roofs are all things you pay a premium for, but less than the competition. It’s these “silly” features that made me notice this new Jeep and the reason I bought my first MOPAR vehicle. Cudos to Jeep!
New they are great. It's the reliability a couple of years down the road you will see what EVERYONE is talking about. It's not even an opinion at this point. Enjoy either way and if you have the patience of a saint and money to burn it doesn't matter anyway.
Ya people love to just look at the price and forget to think about what you get for the price. The Summit is 60k with massaging Napa leather cooled/heated seats, heated second row, 4 zone climate, digital gauge cluster, panoramic sunroof, and active lane centering. Yes you can get a BMW X5 for 63k as well but a 63k X5 doesn't have real leather, no massage seats, no heated/cooled seats, no active lane centering, and non panoramic sunroof.
Love the styling, inside and out. It's straightforward and well proportioned. It has just enough Jeep DNA, without being silly. I do wish they'd taken more care with the materials, but that's what you get when they had to come in at a reasonable price.
Great Video. As an owner of many FCA vehicles, they used to hit a sweet spot between price, value, & performance. Sadly they have been slow increasing prices on all their vehicles to where I have started looking at other manufacturers. A top of the line Rubicon used to be had for $45K. Now you are over $60K. A well option Grand Cherokee was $50K. Now it's over $60K for a comparable model. They have added more features which is welcomed, but they have added significant costs to get them now. Not a fan of the nickle and dime thing they are doing lately.
I completely agree with you. I feel that Jeep is so focused on going at market on their vehicles especially in pricing that they’re forgetting about the core Jeep customer. In my opinion the core jeep customer likes a combination of styling, capability, and value. Jeep seems to no longer really care about value anymore. With that being said it’s hard not to consider an actual luxury brand at this point considering the pricing isn’t that far off anymore .
Point made .. and I agree... What other people forget is that in a perfect world this vehicle continues to work as expected without any mechanical difficulties... As with any of these vehicles, just wait till they're in the service department and you get the bill...
Ahhh WL74 so many years tearing out my hair and screaming at the monitor calling it a pile while working on this thing. Hopefully people like this after the years of the team and I working on this
No, he probably just help designed/engineered a part of it. The WL line is not there yet, there are still issues that will take a year or two to address and get this thing buttoned up...
Jeep has no issue selling these in the 70s and 80s price range. Here in the NYC it's seen as a more understated luxury experience like a Land Cruiser vs the German competition
This was by far the BEST, most intellectual technical, relevant discussion on a clearcoated power brick, I have ever witnessed! You both so perfectly expressed every relevant attribute to all sides of the discussion on this new platform culminating in the most profound summary to date... "I think this is honest". Thank you gentlemen for some of the most comprehensive, no bullshit reviews on the Tube!❤
I love the look of the interior (save for the piano black) but those touch points would legit give me a migraine if I paid full price for one of these.
Man I would take it ! My car has a hard top plastic all around with a little bit of gloss black accents on the door and a very TINY piece of leather stitching on the armrest 😂 So honestly I’d take the Jeep interior in a heartbeat
@@omaralkayal7598 It is a nice looking interior, no question. The plastic bits just need to be made sturdier and anchored better so they don't flex. I really like that tan color scheme. I get so bored with all black that gets insanely hot in the summer.
It's not a vehicle I would consider. You've done a great job on this, mixing the Jeep support in between adds a lot to this video. It speaks to Jeep's confidence that they allow in-depth questions that go beyond marketing speech so well done on them providing it. Thanks!
Great review! Just bought a brand new 2022 Overland 4xe with 79 miles on it. The best car I have ever owned! The ride, interior comfort and quietness are superb! 😎
I am the proud owner of an 08 grand cherokee limited (back when that was the top trim). The only option it didn't have was the rear seat entertainment, it stickered for 43,000 dollars, I got it for 10,000 dollars with 90k miles It has the *quadratrac 2 awd system that has FRONT and rear mechanical limited slip diffs, a 2 speed transfer case thats a 50/50 to 40/60 split front/rear,* and of course a 5.7 hemi, that doesn't have VVT. It also has underbody protection for the whole front area and gas tank. It could tow 7200lbs but I've never towed with it, but since it has the hemi it came factory with an XL engine cooler and a transmission cooler. *The sound system isnt great, its mid 2000's bose.* The cargo space in it sucks, the back seat is TINY and it eats gas, like 13-15 mpg eats gas, but that's what its rated for anyways so I can't complain. I have also lifted it 2 inches, put 32 inch general grabber at2's on it (stock was 29 inch all seasons) and its high enough off the ground that I can comfortably crawl under it for oil changes without a lift. It drives comfortably through 6-7 inches of snow, but the diff in the solid rear axle is 9.5 inches off the ground so I haven't really pushed past 7 inches because once you're dragging in the snow you're done. I believe under the rest of the body is about 13-14 inches of ground clearance though. It's driven through about 10 inches of standing water, its water fording depth from the factory is 21 inches, with the lift and tires its 23-24. I know woodland trails are a breeze for it and even going over downed trees isn't much of an issue. The grand cherokee is a truly one of a kind vehicle, especially in the trailhawk. An overland trim with the offroad package is mechanically identical to the trailhawk, just with a lot more luxuries on the inside. The amount it can tow for its size is insane, its the length of a camry but it can pull 6000lbs in all configs and 7200lbs with the hemi. This is a function over form kind of vehicle, which is why it stands out so much. The luxury top trims aren't anything special because that's not what's special about this vehicle.
If you're truly getting the mpg rating that it was rated at. With the 2 in lift and bigger tires. Then it's doing very well there for sure. Those two factors can easily take away 3 mpg average out the door.
@@ecocav0222 it was rated for 13/15/17, after accounting for the tire size difference affecting the computer, I get 13-15. I did a major road trip this summer and actually got closer to 17 on the open highways. The tires aren't wider than the SRT8 tires and there's no spacers. The tires sticking last the fender flares is usually what tanks mpg.
I like that these has been some experimentation with the title transition screen things but the glitchy neon vibe is one of the things that turn me off from other channels. Appreciate your unique video coverage as always!
I have waited so long for you to review this vehicle. Another great video. Love the music score at 2:28 just before you give the 2nd part of your interior impressions as well. Reminds me of late 80s early 90s ballads.
Im waiting for you guys to review the new LX600. Id love a technical break down by you guys on it. Everyone else is just doing a lipstick review which is great for my sister but hey I want the full deets.
If they can't mount the cabin pieces and high frequency touch points correctly, you wonder what else might be loose or not put together well. It was nice of Jeep to have the people working on the car on hand to give interviews, but if you listen closely and read between the lines, and compare that to Honda or Toyota people, you can really see the difference and that explains why the end product turned out the way it did.
*Mr. Savage Gooski asked the Jeep engineers why the interior materials don't fit properly, so they sent him to accounting department in the basement for full interview* lol..
Subscriber here. I really like your format. This video helped inform me on the GC. I did buy a 2022 GC Limited, which is my first Jeep, and I went with the Pentastar. Still slightly worried about Jeep Reliability, but so far faultless and a very nice driver.
I always enjoy the side jokes, and the super important and honest info that usually other channels leave behind for reasons that aren’t of my business. I love the look of the Jeep, and how wonderful the interior looks, but I don’t think I will go from an X7 to a jeep anytime soon. Also, this is my personal choice, but in big vehicles having All Wheel Steering (all 4 wheels steer to make curves and parking easier) is very important, and a make it or break it deal for me.
I suspect they didn't go with rear-wheel steering because of the off-road aims of the GC. It's already a complicated rear suspension, but add rear steering and there's one more expensive system to break on the rocks.
The black gloss is bad inside. They also went to that stupid knob instead of real shift lever. The last generation interior was better no matter all that leather for this top trim.
I’m glad that Jeep still offers a vehicle like this. I have a 2019 Trailhawk that I bought after an accident totaled my Wrangler. I wanted something that had good on and offroad capability. I knew that results in a compromise, however I accept that because I do mostly road driving but I have property where I need a capability 4x4 to get to portions of it. This vehicle, like the last version is perfect for people like me. However, you raise a good question - how many people like me are out there? I hope a lot because I’d love to see this available for decades to come.
I’ve owned 3 Jeep Grand Cherokee 2016,2018 and 2019 SRT. I am most interested in the 4xe hybrid . The turbo motor is quite good and hopefully paired well in the next GC
I was really excited about the 4XE model GC. Almost to the point of ordering one when that started. I waited and now they are sitting on lots. The car is too big and heavy to drive with just a 4 cylinder turbo especially around town in traffic when the power runs out. Plus, over time, batteries degrade. What’s that 25 miles going to be three years from now in the cold (which also reduces battery power)? I could see driving into the dealer saying: “I’m only getting 18/19 miles out of it now and the dealer saying: “no problems found.” Forget it. 4XEs will drop like a rock over time….
One thing I love about this channel is the music and attention to detail when it comes to sound stuff, not only do you guys do the audio testing for car sound systems, but the music at 7:50 is just one example of a genuinely wonderfully well mixed track comes in with some B roll for about 20 seconds, and like damn, I listened to it twice, then switched to an external amp and listened again, and now I want to know what music that is, is that royalty free stuff? is there a playlist of all the tracks you use somewhere? It's so good.
If you want a reliable drivetrain, Pentastar V6 3.6L engine, rugged 8 speed transmission, full time 4WD with mud, snow, sand and Low range options, ability to towing capacity of 6,200 pounds on a luxury trimmed SUV, an optional 5.7 V8 or turbo four EV Hybrid, you should look at the redesigned 2022 Limited, Overland or Summit model. You are not going to find these features on a Toyota Highlander, Acura MDX or Lexus RX350. I have owned a well maintained 2016 Limited with 75K miles with NO electronic, mechanical or drivetrain issues. I have also looked at the truck frame Toyota 4Runner in comparison. The Toyota gets 15 mpg from an aging 270-hp 4.0-liter V-6 paired with a five-speed automatic transmission. The Toyota interior looks dated since it was designed in 2005. Wait for a new 2023 model this year that will be more expensive than the Jeep. No comparison. Jeep will beat out the competition.
In my experience, these guys are hyper technical and hyper critical of audio systems. For example, they seem to criticize Ford systems more than VW, but IMO, VW are terrible, and Fords are fine as long as you're not listening to orchestral classical music.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I trust their opinions on audio quality due to the fact they actually run tests on it. It’s not subjective. Considering there are a few FCA folks that have agreed in the comments I’m inclined to believe them.
Sad, because McIntosh home audio equipment is excellent. I remember 20 years ago, my friend's Japanese market limited edition Subaru had a McIntosh branded audio system, which was just in reality a rebranded Clarion. It was not good.
I'm a person who's into big cars like Trucks & SUVs. My dream Truck is the 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500hd but in terms of SUVs, the Grand Cherokee has got my attention as well and I can say I'm quite impressed with it. Great review too. 😎👍🏾
I am still wondering if they've done anything to up their reliability game because the interior issues (trim pieces not fitting nicely/tightly) don't really inspire confidence.
The interview with the engineer was really interesting. You basically asked him the same questions twice. The first time through, he answered in “project manager/salesman/brochure” language that was confusing and gave the impression he didn’t know what he was talking about. The second time through, he got into specific details, and came across as very knowledgeable, and authentic; which made the product far more interesting.
Have watched all of your Grand Cherokee/Durango (Jefferson North) videos, even those with Turbo describing the suspension of the SRT. But, this video was just what I wanted so's to understand the differences between the M-B 2011-engineered suspension from the 2021 suspension. Thank you for all those close-up views of the new suspension.
That's not wear but staining from blue jeans, which tends to be an issue with most light coloured leather. Looks great in the showroom but it's understandable why many buyers go for a black interior.
Great content as always 👍. Next time, please try to secure an interview with the person who designed the Golf 8 infotainment. We have a few questions for him/her.
That is one fantastic review. I own a 2019 GC Limited and just took possession of a new 2024 GC Summit with literally every bell and whistle. I have also owned/leased 2 Mercedes GLE 350's. For what I want in an SUV a new GLE 450 (the new GLE 350 is not an option with a pitiful 255 Hp motor) will cost in the mid $80k, around $85k. The Summit I bought cost $74k but Jeep is running a 10% MSRP discount to bring it down to $66,500. I also negotiated a few grand off that price + tax. With Mercedes you may be able to get $2k to $3k off which brings it to $82k +tax. For almost $20k less it was an easy decision to buy the 2024 Summit that has air suspension, night vision with object warning, semi-autonomous driving (can't get that on an $84k GLE), massaging front seats, 4 zone climate control, ventilated and cooled front seats, a beautiful and super comfortable interior, etc etc etc. I bought it with the V6 which honestly has plenty of power for most customers. The infotainment system is crazy good. I gave my 2019 GC Limited to my daughter. It's been a great vehicle. A couple things to note: The MacIntosh stereo must have been upgraded or tuned differently for 2024 because I actually increased the bass in the equalizer. Also, the center console storage/arm rest has a better release than in the 2022. Not a big deal but worth mentioning. It is just a well built swiss army knife of an SUV.
It's trying to be everything to everyone while providing more ruggedness and more character. I just don't think high up in price range it's not competitive. Especially at 70k. You have the 4Runner, GV70, Pathfinder, and the Bronco all well below this price point and I can't bring myself to pick this out in any of the categories I would buy this for. It's a decent middle ground of all of those combined but not specialized enough to bring something unique to the table.
@@pmost8087 It is not more capable offroad than the new Bronco. The 4Runner is also quite capable offroad, albeit it is well past needing to be redesigned.
Nice to see issues like the side bolsters on the seats going "flat" and the creaking around the steering wheel controls carried over from the previous generation. Still FCA quality. They made the bass obscene in the hope that you have hearing damage and blast music all the time, drowning out the creaks and rattles.
When he starts explaining the suspension, i cant help but think "more parts, so more things that can go bad" I expect a lot of indy shops to blunder up any adjustments or fixes...and if we're gonna be honest, dealerships also.
in order to achieve better ride quality and steering this has to happen, go look at the German cars, same thing. Toyota on the other hand has below average driving dynamics but in turn more reliable.
Coming from the audiophile perspective, Mcintosh has been losing ground for decades but people like the blue VU meters and it serves as a status piece for those who don't know anything about 2 channel.
Dumpster fire reliability unfortunately - those interior faults are UNACCEPTABLE at this price point. I'll take a Palisade/Telluride or a 4runner over this. Only ones that interest me are the SRT models - but those are out of budget and going extinct. I will say I love how the Grand Cherokee looks - I especially think the previous gen SRT models are amazing. If only they fixed their QC issues.
my brother in-law is a wrangler owner and jokes about the most challenging obstacle being speed bumps and needing 35" tires so his wife doesn't scuff the rims on curbs.
I really applaud the UX guy for not putting touch sensitive buttons galore in the interior. However there are some things that need to be addressed like the build quality and elimination of gloss black plastic.
Prices are much higher than just four years ago. My dad's '18 Trailhawk started at $43,295. It jumped to $47K by '21 and this new TH is $51,670. It's like $8500 more now. New platform, more refined, but practically, there's not a lot of difference in features. And the drivetrain is carry-over! Add the V8 and lux group and you're pushing $60K for TH. Plus, in '18 they didn't charge for paint ($400 now), and destination charge, obviously a profit center is, $1800 now, ($1100 in '18). Unreasonable gouging for what cannot be described as Toyota levels of quality. No thanks.
Not a lot of difference in features.... How? Digital gauge cluster, active lane centering, night vision, heads up display, digital rear view mirror, massage seats, ambient lighting, cooled second row seats, 4 zone climate control, and passenger screen are all features that were never available on a Grand Cherokee. Significantly improved interior quality, less panel gaps, smoother ride, crisper shifting transmission, quieter interior, better handling, and better braking. It is better in every way and worth the cost imo.
@@jjchockey Not exactly. Digital gauges before, very crisp shifting before with the same ZF AT, especially in Sport Mode, and it's still a 5,000 lb brick so handling won't be that different. Braking depends on the tires; you don't know if it's better. I was using Trailhawk for the example and off-road equipment isn't different except sway bars. All the other stuff is just tech and safety nonsense that may or may not make much real difference. In any case electronics do not add up to an $8500 difference - over 3 times inflation. Dress it up and pay for it if you want, but this is gouging.
@@jre617 digital gauge cluster was never available. Yes the ZF 8 speed was good before and yes it still weighs a lot however the transmission is still crisper and smoother, the handling and ride quality is noticeably better, as well as the braking ability. Their are improvement to every facet of this car and many new features that were never available in a Grand Cherokee before. This new Grand Cherokee pushes it much closer to the luxury segment than ever before. You also have to consider the amount of standard features it has now. A limited with a 10” screen and pano sunroof costs 50k. A 2021 WK with a pano sunroof, LED lights, and all of the safety tech that is now standard costs about 47k so the price is not $8500 difference like you claim. I have seen so many people that love to just look at a base price and never think about the standard features you are getting for the price.
@@jjchockey After many hours driving my dad's '18 GC Trailhawk: it does have a digital gauge display, so, you are just wrong there. Why do you claim the brakes are any better? As I said, the TH's base price is about $8500 ($8375 actually) more than '18. The other disturbing thing is you cannot get the 5.7 in a Limited anymore. You want a V8? You'll be pushing $60K in a higher trim level. I understand, it's a new platform and it has some tech upgrades, but the price increases are real and just too much for what is not Toyota quality.
Modern Fiat/Chrysler is designed specifically for the average consumer who doesn't keep their vehicles for 5+ years. Looks impressive on the showroom floor but falls apart right as the warranty ends (sometimes not that long).
With all the people I hear say they don't like gloss black plastic. It seems like there might be a big group that like it or do the manufacturers not care what people like lol
My guess would be that it is cheaper to manufacturer along with the fact that it looks flashy and clean when being sold on the lot. I imagine most people don't think about it beyond the first impression it makes.
Great vid, as always guys! After my experience with the last Gen Grand Cherokee which I bought just months after its launch, I had the Overland which was the top model back then. Several times a month my rear air suspension would fail and the rear of the vehicle would sink down and it looked like I was taking off with the nose pointing upward. Due to no suspension every little bump was like hitting a massive pothole. They replaced air pumps, air bags, circuit boards etc. over five months. Finally I lemon law'd the vehicle as it became unreliable, with great push back from Jeep. I found out from my local dealer months later that they finally figured it out and it was a software issue, nothing mechanical. After that though, no more Jeeps for me.
18:51 What you guys are trying to say is the money is under the skin, and with that you can get it all on the base model. Honestly this things true model is the Trailhawk for duity and Limited for the soccer moms. The rest is something else.
Very interesting to watch the quality progression lately with respect to manufacturer involvement. This is a step up from the 911 "series" of videos, which is saying something. Really looking forward to seeing more videos in this format.
That’s the different between American luxury and German luxury! Attention to detail is something the Germans do well! But I have to say the interior does look well and a very big leap forward from Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler,Fiat!
My 2012 Grand Cherokee Limitted 3.6L has been my favorite vehicle I've owned. I'm looking at replacing it with the same or maybe an X3 M or SQ5 or a Macan S . Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks for the great review guys! I think the Jeep looks great, but 100% agree most buyers will not use all the off-road prowess of the Jeep. As a buyer who doesn't off road, I'm looking for a luxurious sporty highway cruiser that can handle the snow when hauling my family. For this price range the Acura MDX TypeS, BMW X5, Audi Q5, Lexus are SUV's make more sense.
Not only is this a great video (as usual with your channel), Jeep/Stellantis/Whoever went out of their way to make this better. Other manufacturers could learn something from this
How well are those rear seat tablets physically isolated from the structure of the front seats they're attached to? Because when I'm on my 4th can of Red Bull, driving my probably-soon-to-be-ex-wife Heather and our 2.5 brats to her domineering parents' house for another awkward Thanksgiving, the last thing I need is Brayden sitting behind me pecking away at the screen like a G*D DAMN JACKAL!!!
Ole Vince ain’t got a wedding ring on. So his experience with designing around Wife’s Son Tier UX disruptions may be extremely limited.
@@agenericaccount3935 At the very least, maybe a steering wheel button to disable the RSE when Brayden finally pushes me over the edge during the "Challenging Stage" of a game of Galaga.
@@tommcm503 Great idea. Steering wheel button that just broadcasts a specifically tuned stroboscopic effect on the RSE. Once the seizures subside, the kids should be pretty quiet for the rest of the journey. “Go Go Power Rangers”
With Harrison and Taylor egging him on...
Get a vasectomy - problem solved.
Huge thanks to Jeep engineers for making this possible. It was great to see the UX engineer talk about the infotainment experience. As always, wonderful video by savagegeese!
I truly appreciate the fact that Jeep gave you access to their team because, with your ability to ask the right questions, it adds so much to the depth of your videos (and it also adds an appreciation to this vehicle that I wouldn't have without it).
It's much better than when Doug is like "I asked the Lexus engineers about this, but I didn't really understand what they said, and now I hate it."
Here’s why I avoid Doug.
@@TekuTaurus Doug doesn't know shit
SG doing "god's work" with the content they have been creating. No other channel goes into this type of review where you get but engineers and UI designers to present their product from a technical perspective and not just a PR/mktg flash. I have so much appreciation for this channel and props to Jeep to stepping up to the plate and providing support in MOAB of all places!
yeah dude! gods
It's God with a capital G
@@iykej6 god is a G fa sho
There are not enough people who appreciate this channel. Your content is light years above anything else car related on TH-cam right now.
I appreciate the "Direct from Jeep" segments. Takes cajones to back this product on a critical show.
I concur
I was just going to comment that it was really nice to hear it from the manufacturer directly! Could we get more og these? In particular Acura, where they have put a TON of engineering in to their cars and they seem to get the underdog reviews. I know there is a lot more in these cars and it'd be really interesting to hear it from these designers along with Savagegeese asking the tough questions. It really shows the manufacturers care about their products!
cajones = drawers
@@Kavafy Ha! Yeah, you need big cojones to fill your drawers.
@@chbrules It sounded more like technical or in-house jargon. Engineering is much different than marketing. You can tell the difference because when he uses jargon, you can surmise what it is. When someone from marketing uses jargon, you wonder if he is talking about vehicles.
Coming from a medium sized family where we would frequently go on road trips the screen layout and design is absolute genius. Even now that I’m older and I find myself going on trips with friends the ability to send the driver navigation directions or send a movie to the back for the kids is so practical. I can see families who own this car using that every day
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I got an L in September and have been absolutely thrilled with it. It is excellent off road running fire trails and old ghost town wagon ruts. I have yet to find a road or trail it can't traverse, as long as it physically fits. It has been great in the Montana snow as well. It just chugs along with zero issues. Add to that the excellent refinement in the interior, usable tech and luxury features that are relevant to how I use a vehicle and I am thrilled with it. I was comparison shopping it just to check it off the list against the older 4 Runner (which I had planned on buying going in), unobtanium Bronco and the Explorer. Hands down winner for me.
I got a Buick commercial in the middle of the video and it made this new jeep even more impressive. Good job GM
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From 2004 to 2021 I’ve had 7 Grand Cherokees in my family. They are practical, comfortable and great in snow. That’s why I keep buying them. I also have premium SUVs in my garage but a Jeep GT has a nich of its own.
Shouldn't life be about experiencing new things and go out of your comfort zone a little?
Not saying owing 7 Jeeps at times is a bad decision or so but a freshness of some different should be welcomed.
Do you buy them because you need multiple GTs or is it because they don't last very long/has reliability problems? Genuine question.
@@henrybrar No, life in reality is about establishing a routine and understanding your inputs and outputs. It’s not always about leaving a comfort zone, especially where financial experimentation is concerned.
7 in 17 years, so 1 every 2.4 years. hopefully that's not just your purchases because it sure isn't a good endorsement for the brand.
@@attananightshadow Multiple Jeeps at once for kids, etc. Actually bought two at one time for two kids to add to the one the wife drove.
My best friend in college's dad works for Jeep and I got the join some of these guys in the video for some off roading in Moab before the pandemic hit. Seriously some of the most creative, kind, interesting people I've ever met. Great video as always
i always appreciate how in depth you guys go about car audio. it’s always thrown out of other reviews which annoys the hell out of me. i wont even consider a car with a trash system regardless what it is. there’s a magic to me of a long drive in a great car with a superb stereo, it can set the entire mood of a spirited drive, but a bad sound system cheapens the experience for me. i know a lot of people don’t share my feelings on that, but it’s a important part of the buying decision for my personal life. so thanks for doing that for us sound fanatics out there.
Amen!🤗😉😇
Just one question really...the content is far far better than any of car reviews that you can find, why dont these guys have 2-3 million subs? Its ridiculous
Because just like Jeep's review sums up to be honest, these guys have honest audience.
The reviews are not flashy and they don't get over excited for nothing like Doug or shout at your face like straight pipes.
Yeah, I get that, its not Striaght Pipes - everything is sooooo exciting or Throtle House - same as straight pipes :D but I am still hopeful, that people want good videos, actual informative reviews, not just flashy BS.
Probably bcoz the videos are way too long, too geeky which gets boring.
Outstanding review, as always. So much more in depth than other reviewers. As great as the cabin looks, the quality issues you pointed out, especially at everyday touch points (and the horrendous piano black) would really irritate me if I bought this, especially the fully loaded model.
Manufactures, please STOP with the piano black!
AMEN. It’s hideous and nearly impossible to avoid anymore.
the only obvious way to get around that piano black is to wrap it with vinyl I guess
So far, the only car review channel I know that does audio system quality review. I appreciate that. Good job!
I have the lower-level Alpine sound and it doesn’t have a bass boomy problem.
Really loved the B roll with the snow falling. It seemed fitting for the car, and it was a nice visual juxtaposition against the drone shots in Moab. Honestly, it's getting hard to focus on the technical details when the videos are so well shot!
2:55 THANK YOU GUYS for doing your professional sound analysis on cars. I do value that. No other reviewers do that. I do put you guys on another level for it.
When you say they have a few things that could be improved on and I'm sure they will.... I'm not sitting around waiting , you get what you get for that year. Thank you for being thorough.
You never mentioned that this car is flat towable-which is one of the main reasons we just purchased one. My car needs to be able to be pulled behind our motorhome, used for fun activities while camping or day trips, and be acceptable to me as my daily driver. Jeep has almost no competition for this market.
My major concern is SO much added complexity. This sounds like a vehicle you don't want to own out of warranty. Friends with recent Jeeps report issues which affirm that as well.
Don't buy any of the option gimmicks then. Save thousands upfront
Completely agree. Jeep has a poor reputation for reliability and having SO many extra parts, systems, features, options.....this is asking for trouble in 3 years...
@@AmericanWorker1127 pretty much as soon as warranty expires
That UI guy interview should have included the question why glossy black is used everywhere, followed by an on-camera beating. The masses demand accountability.
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Piano black is an atrocity on us customers.
A 5% vehicle for the 5% that can afford it...going places that 5% actually go.
The 5% that can afford it and the 5% that go places where they need this capability are a different set of people.
@@Ethan7s I might fall into that 5% that go places... I don't need fancy systems, but do need a bed. I make due with quality 10 ply AT tires with some sidewall, 4lo, rear-locker, and skid plates... the bilsteins are nice too. it's just a plain ol' 2012 5.0 F-150 XTR, the running boards are pretty dented from rocks/trees and the paint has a lot of scratches. oh well. 296k on it currently and uses 1/2 a quart between changes, which is better than some new ones. it owes me nothing.
I took delivery of my 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Reserve V8 2 weeks ago (1/12/22) and have been very impressed. I do agree with your analysis of the McIntosh Audi system being off (too bass heavy and lacking audio detail). Where I disagree with your analysis is what type of buyer the upper-level trims attract. I’ve owned Mercedes, BMWs, Audis and most recently a Porsche Macan S. You can’t get a decently equipped base version of any of those for what you can get a fully loaded 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Reserve ($71,515). I was very impressed with the features, quality and look of the new Summit Reserve trim, but what have easily looked away at the Limited or other models before buying another German. Night vision, massaging seats, quilted leather, 4 heated and cooled seats, passenger screens and pano roofs are all things you pay a premium for, but less than the competition. It’s these “silly” features that made me notice this new Jeep and the reason I bought my first MOPAR vehicle. Cudos to Jeep!
New they are great. It's the reliability a couple of years down the road you will see what EVERYONE is talking about. It's not even an opinion at this point. Enjoy either way and if you have the patience of a saint and money to burn it doesn't matter anyway.
Ya people love to just look at the price and forget to think about what you get for the price.
The Summit is 60k with massaging Napa leather cooled/heated seats, heated second row, 4 zone climate, digital gauge cluster, panoramic sunroof, and active lane centering.
Yes you can get a BMW X5 for 63k as well but a 63k X5 doesn't have real leather, no massage seats, no heated/cooled seats, no active lane centering, and non panoramic sunroof.
Finally. Someone who reviews audio systems!!!
I have the 2022 Summit Reserve. Love it ! Got it specked out with everything but the two screens in the back…
5.7 rips…
Just a beautiful car.
Thanks for having the engineers explain their product and decision choices. Loving the content after all these years.
Love the styling, inside and out. It's straightforward and well proportioned. It has just enough Jeep DNA, without being silly. I do wish they'd taken more care with the materials, but that's what you get when they had to come in at a reasonable price.
Great Video. As an owner of many FCA vehicles, they used to hit a sweet spot between price, value, & performance. Sadly they have been slow increasing prices on all their vehicles to where I have started looking at other manufacturers. A top of the line Rubicon used to be had for $45K. Now you are over $60K. A well option Grand Cherokee was $50K. Now it's over $60K for a comparable model. They have added more features which is welcomed, but they have added significant costs to get them now. Not a fan of the nickle and dime thing they are doing lately.
I completely agree with you. I feel that Jeep is so focused on going at market on their vehicles especially in pricing that they’re forgetting about the core Jeep customer. In my opinion the core jeep customer likes a combination of styling, capability, and value. Jeep seems to no longer really care about value anymore. With that being said it’s hard not to consider an actual luxury brand at this point considering the pricing isn’t that far off anymore .
For the price of a small house, this small house could be yours.
It's become the norm these days. 💸 💸
Where are these 80k houses at? Because where I live you can't get anything below 300k..?
Point made .. and I agree...
What other people forget is that in a perfect world this vehicle continues to work as expected without any mechanical difficulties... As with any of these vehicles, just wait till they're in the service department and you get the bill...
@@TermlessHGW Depend in the country that you are living tho, maybe is cheap where he at or you can use this amount to put down for a house
@@TermlessHGW move lol
Best looking suv in my opinion. So beautiful from outside
Big props to Jeep for giving you access to their people, and bringing them on to talk about what they've done here.
That was VERY cool to talk to the lead UI designer. I really really hope other companies will listen (*cough VW *cough Hyundai)
Ahhh WL74 so many years tearing out my hair and screaming at the monitor calling it a pile while working on this thing. Hopefully people like this after the years of the team and I working on this
You worked on the new Jeep? :)
You built this?
The 5.7? I've never had issues with it.
No, he probably just help designed/engineered a part of it.
The WL line is not there yet, there are still issues that will take a year or two to address and get this thing buttoned up...
@@Summon-Zero yes I was an engineer for FCA/Stellantis.
Jeep has no issue selling these in the 70s and 80s price range. Here in the NYC it's seen as a more understated luxury experience like a Land Cruiser vs the German competition
This was by far the BEST, most intellectual technical, relevant discussion on a clearcoated power brick, I have ever witnessed! You both so perfectly expressed every relevant attribute to all sides of the discussion on this new platform culminating in the most profound summary to date... "I think this is honest". Thank you gentlemen for some of the most comprehensive, no bullshit reviews on the Tube!❤
I love the look of the interior (save for the piano black) but those touch points would legit give me a migraine if I paid full price for one of these.
Good reason to never buy anything new until it has been in production for at least a year and ideally more, and that goes for all manufacturers.
Man I would take it !
My car has a hard top plastic all around with a little bit of gloss black accents on the door and a very TINY piece of leather stitching on the armrest 😂
So honestly I’d take the Jeep interior in a heartbeat
@@omaralkayal7598 It is a nice looking interior, no question. The plastic bits just need to be made sturdier and anchored better so they don't flex. I really like that tan color scheme. I get so bored with all black that gets insanely hot in the summer.
LOVE the denim rubbing off on the drivers seat. That’s tremendous!
I believe your final thoughts were spot on. Nice seemingly honest review. I.m hoping they soon release the Hurricane 6 in this body.
And in the 2-row
It's not a vehicle I would consider.
You've done a great job on this, mixing the Jeep support in between adds a lot to this video. It speaks to Jeep's confidence that they allow in-depth questions that go beyond marketing speech so well done on them providing it.
Thanks!
Great review! Just bought a brand new 2022 Overland 4xe with 79 miles on it. The best car I have ever owned! The ride, interior comfort and quietness are superb! 😎
I am the proud owner of an 08 grand cherokee limited (back when that was the top trim). The only option it didn't have was the rear seat entertainment, it stickered for 43,000 dollars, I got it for 10,000 dollars with 90k miles It has the *quadratrac 2 awd system that has FRONT and rear mechanical limited slip diffs, a 2 speed transfer case thats a 50/50 to 40/60 split front/rear,* and of course a 5.7 hemi, that doesn't have VVT. It also has underbody protection for the whole front area and gas tank. It could tow 7200lbs but I've never towed with it, but since it has the hemi it came factory with an XL engine cooler and a transmission cooler. *The sound system isnt great, its mid 2000's bose.* The cargo space in it sucks, the back seat is TINY and it eats gas, like 13-15 mpg eats gas, but that's what its rated for anyways so I can't complain.
I have also lifted it 2 inches, put 32 inch general grabber at2's on it (stock was 29 inch all seasons) and its high enough off the ground that I can comfortably crawl under it for oil changes without a lift. It drives comfortably through 6-7 inches of snow, but the diff in the solid rear axle is 9.5 inches off the ground so I haven't really pushed past 7 inches because once you're dragging in the snow you're done. I believe under the rest of the body is about 13-14 inches of ground clearance though. It's driven through about 10 inches of standing water, its water fording depth from the factory is 21 inches, with the lift and tires its 23-24. I know woodland trails are a breeze for it and even going over downed trees isn't much of an issue.
The grand cherokee is a truly one of a kind vehicle, especially in the trailhawk. An overland trim with the offroad package is mechanically identical to the trailhawk, just with a lot more luxuries on the inside. The amount it can tow for its size is insane, its the length of a camry but it can pull 6000lbs in all configs and 7200lbs with the hemi. This is a function over form kind of vehicle, which is why it stands out so much. The luxury top trims aren't anything special because that's not what's special about this vehicle.
If you're truly getting the mpg rating that it was rated at. With the 2 in lift and bigger tires. Then it's doing very well there for sure. Those two factors can easily take away 3 mpg average out the door.
@@ecocav0222 it was rated for 13/15/17, after accounting for the tire size difference affecting the computer, I get 13-15. I did a major road trip this summer and actually got closer to 17 on the open highways. The tires aren't wider than the SRT8 tires and there's no spacers. The tires sticking last the fender flares is usually what tanks mpg.
I like that these has been some experimentation with the title transition screen things but the glitchy neon vibe is one of the things that turn me off from other channels. Appreciate your unique video coverage as always!
I came across an interesting stat on Jeeps, that 98% of them are still on the road.
The other 2% made it home.
They still sell.🤗
@@b.t.2795 that's for those who don't have home.
@@rosgoncharuk2403
It's the norm these days.
Look at the price of a new pickup.
the Jeep Compass will guide you right to the nearest mechanic.
😂😂😂😂 good one!
I have waited so long for you to review this vehicle. Another great video. Love the music score at 2:28 just before you give the 2nd part of your interior impressions as well. Reminds me of late 80s early 90s ballads.
Im waiting for you guys to review the new LX600. Id love a technical break down by you guys on it. Everyone else is just doing a lipstick review which is great for my sister but hey I want the full deets.
If they can't mount the cabin pieces and high frequency touch points correctly, you wonder what else might be loose or not put together well.
It was nice of Jeep to have the people working on the car on hand to give interviews, but if you listen closely and read between the lines, and compare that to Honda or Toyota people, you can really see the difference and that explains why the end product turned out the way it did.
That's a solid point that has always chased me away from the Jeep product. It's close, but they have to do the little things right.
*Mr. Savage Gooski asked the Jeep engineers why the interior materials don't fit properly, so they sent him to accounting department in the basement for full interview* lol..
Subscriber here. I really like your format. This video helped inform me on the GC. I did buy a 2022 GC Limited, which is my first Jeep, and I went with the Pentastar. Still slightly worried about Jeep Reliability, but so far faultless and a very nice driver.
Nice to hear someone bought a 2022 GC. I'm considering one and hope the reliability is good. Congrats on your new vehicle!
Loved the talks with the engineers! Amazing video as always
the interior is BEAUTIFUL
Yeah is looks fantastic. The loose parts and quality issues are pretty disappointing, though.
I always enjoy the side jokes, and the super important and honest info that usually other channels leave behind for reasons that aren’t of my business.
I love the look of the Jeep, and how wonderful the interior looks, but I don’t think I will go from an X7 to a jeep anytime soon.
Also, this is my personal choice, but in big vehicles having All Wheel Steering (all 4 wheels steer to make curves and parking easier) is very important, and a make it or break it deal for me.
I suspect they didn't go with rear-wheel steering because of the off-road aims of the GC. It's already a complicated rear suspension, but add rear steering and there's one more expensive system to break on the rocks.
It "allows the wheels to better move you over the off-road events..."
What a strange way to put that. lol
wow, this is one hell of a review. I sure hope your entire channel is full of content like this.
The black gloss is bad inside. They also went to that stupid knob instead of real shift lever. The last generation interior was better no matter all that leather for this top trim.
Go sit in the last gen then sit in the new one. There is no comparison. The new one is a MUCH nicer interior.
I’m glad that Jeep still offers a vehicle like this. I have a 2019 Trailhawk that I bought after an accident totaled my Wrangler. I wanted something that had good on and offroad capability. I knew that results in a compromise, however I accept that because I do mostly road driving but I have property where I need a capability 4x4 to get to portions of it. This vehicle, like the last version is perfect for people like me. However, you raise a good question - how many people like me are out there? I hope a lot because I’d love to see this available for decades to come.
I’ve owned 3 Jeep Grand Cherokee 2016,2018 and 2019 SRT. I am most interested in the 4xe hybrid . The turbo motor is quite good and hopefully paired well in the next GC
I'm guessing the turbo 4 is the very same Alfa engine used in the Giulia and Stelvio as that always punches above its weight and gets great reviews?
@@dontcare32123 it's under the hood of the Wrangler and the Maseratis.
I was really excited about the 4XE model GC. Almost to the point of ordering one when that started. I waited and now they are sitting on lots. The car is too big and heavy to drive with just a 4 cylinder turbo especially around town in traffic when the power runs out. Plus, over time, batteries degrade. What’s that 25 miles going to be three years from now in the cold (which also reduces battery power)? I could see driving into the dealer saying: “I’m only getting 18/19 miles out of it now and the dealer saying: “no problems found.” Forget it. 4XEs will drop like a rock over time….
@@Rob-md2cj good points wait for a v2 lol
I went from an X6 to the Summit Reserve L. I hope I didn’t fail. This by far, has been the best review I’ve seen.
Do you trust Stellantis to make a reliable and complex suspension system when Mercedes can't?
One thing I love about this channel is the music and attention to detail when it comes to sound stuff, not only do you guys do the audio testing for car sound systems, but the music at 7:50 is just one example of a genuinely wonderfully well mixed track comes in with some B roll for about 20 seconds, and like damn, I listened to it twice, then switched to an external amp and listened again, and now I want to know what music that is, is that royalty free stuff? is there a playlist of all the tracks you use somewhere? It's so good.
Wonder how many miles this will last without breaking...1000?
If you want a reliable drivetrain, Pentastar V6 3.6L engine, rugged 8 speed transmission, full time 4WD with mud, snow, sand and Low range options, ability to towing capacity of 6,200 pounds on a luxury trimmed SUV, an optional 5.7 V8 or turbo four EV Hybrid, you should look at the redesigned 2022 Limited, Overland or Summit model. You are not going to find these features on a Toyota Highlander, Acura MDX or Lexus RX350. I have owned a well maintained 2016 Limited with 75K miles with NO electronic, mechanical or drivetrain issues. I have also looked at the truck frame Toyota 4Runner in comparison. The Toyota gets 15 mpg from an aging 270-hp 4.0-liter V-6 paired with a five-speed automatic transmission. The Toyota interior looks dated since it was designed in 2005. Wait for a new 2023 model this year that will be more expensive than the Jeep. No comparison. Jeep will beat out the competition.
My friend grand cherokee wk2 2012 3.6 overland has almost 600 thousand km! Wants to pass 1 million!! Very durable hardy SUV with a huge resource!!
I’m shocked that McIntosh let FCA put their name on that system if it is really as bad as you say it is.
Money
In my experience, these guys are hyper technical and hyper critical of audio systems. For example, they seem to criticize Ford systems more than VW, but IMO, VW are terrible, and Fords are fine as long as you're not listening to orchestral classical music.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I trust their opinions on audio quality due to the fact they actually run tests on it. It’s not subjective. Considering there are a few FCA folks that have agreed in the comments I’m inclined to believe them.
@@KingSemajCHI That’s right. Numbers don’t lie.
Sad, because McIntosh home audio equipment is excellent. I remember 20 years ago, my friend's Japanese market limited edition Subaru had a McIntosh branded audio system, which was just in reality a rebranded Clarion. It was not good.
I'm a person who's into big cars like Trucks & SUVs. My dream Truck is the 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500hd but in terms of SUVs, the Grand Cherokee has got my attention as well and I can say I'm quite impressed with it. Great review too. 😎👍🏾
I am still wondering if they've done anything to up their reliability game because the interior issues (trim pieces not fitting nicely/tightly) don't really inspire confidence.
The driver's seat looked worn to me. Not a good look.
That is more common in first year vehicles, give it a couple years and a mid cycle refresh should come out to fix these issues.
This is a pre-production, Jeep-owned vehicle.
I sat in one. Knock on the “wood grain” and it sounds/feels like cheap plastic to me.
@@gregcampbell1729 that is real wood in the Summit Reserve.
The interview with the engineer was really interesting. You basically asked him the same questions twice. The first time through, he answered in “project manager/salesman/brochure” language that was confusing and gave the impression he didn’t know what he was talking about. The second time through, he got into specific details, and came across as very knowledgeable, and authentic; which made the product far more interesting.
Have watched all of your Grand Cherokee/Durango (Jefferson North) videos, even those with Turbo describing the suspension of the SRT. But, this video was just what I wanted so's to understand the differences between the M-B 2011-engineered suspension from the 2021 suspension. Thank you for all those close-up views of the new suspension.
Hey Savagegeese, when are you going to review a Porsche car? Isn't it time for another Porsche video?
Hands down they best car reviews on any platform. You guys are doing things rite! 👏
The seats look good, but man the wear on the Driver side bolster is already getting rough. Longterm durability doesn't look good on these
That's not wear but staining from blue jeans, which tends to be an issue with most light coloured leather. Looks great in the showroom but it's understandable why many buyers go for a black interior.
High level of dye transfer. Its not uncommon as mentioned but really bad here.
Great content as always 👍.
Next time, please try to secure an interview with the person who designed the Golf 8 infotainment.
We have a few questions for him/her.
That is one fantastic review. I own a 2019 GC Limited and just took possession of a new 2024 GC Summit with literally every bell and whistle. I have also owned/leased 2 Mercedes GLE 350's. For what I want in an SUV a new GLE 450 (the new GLE 350 is not an option with a pitiful 255 Hp motor) will cost in the mid $80k, around $85k. The Summit I bought cost $74k but Jeep is running a 10% MSRP discount to bring it down to $66,500. I also negotiated a few grand off that price + tax. With Mercedes you may be able to get $2k to $3k off which brings it to $82k +tax. For almost $20k less it was an easy decision to buy the 2024 Summit that has air suspension, night vision with object warning, semi-autonomous driving (can't get that on an $84k GLE), massaging front seats, 4 zone climate control, ventilated and cooled front seats, a beautiful and super comfortable interior, etc etc etc. I bought it with the V6 which honestly has plenty of power for most customers. The infotainment system is crazy good. I gave my 2019 GC Limited to my daughter. It's been a great vehicle.
A couple things to note: The MacIntosh stereo must have been upgraded or tuned differently for 2024 because I actually increased the bass in the equalizer. Also, the center console storage/arm rest has a better release than in the 2022. Not a big deal but worth mentioning. It is just a well built swiss army knife of an SUV.
It's trying to be everything to everyone while providing more ruggedness and more character.
I just don't think high up in price range it's not competitive. Especially at 70k.
You have the 4Runner, GV70, Pathfinder, and the Bronco all well below this price point and I can't bring myself to pick this out in any of the categories I would buy this for.
It's a decent middle ground of all of those combined but not specialized enough to bring something unique to the table.
you're wrong. It is a much more capable off road vehicle. It's a Jeep
@@pmost8087 It is not more capable offroad than the new Bronco. The 4Runner is also quite capable offroad, albeit it is well past needing to be redesigned.
SG automotive reviews are SO GOOD, that I watch videos of vehicles I’m not planning to buy AT ALL.
Nice to see issues like the side bolsters on the seats going "flat" and the creaking around the steering wheel controls carried over from the previous generation. Still FCA quality. They made the bass obscene in the hope that you have hearing damage and blast music all the time, drowning out the creaks and rattles.
SG cinematography is just on another level
I hope they get the quality control in order. Would hate to move on to another vehicle because of it
They never will unfortunately
When he starts explaining the suspension, i cant help but think "more parts, so more things that can go bad" I expect a lot of indy shops to blunder up any adjustments or fixes...and if we're gonna be honest, dealerships also.
in order to achieve better ride quality and steering this has to happen, go look at the German cars, same thing. Toyota on the other hand has below average driving dynamics but in turn more reliable.
Coming from the audiophile perspective, Mcintosh has been losing ground for decades but people like the blue VU meters and it serves as a status piece for those who don't know anything about 2 channel.
Great video, nice work. thank you guys for producing great content.
Dumpster fire reliability unfortunately - those interior faults are UNACCEPTABLE at this price point.
I'll take a Palisade/Telluride or a 4runner over this.
Only ones that interest me are the SRT models - but those are out of budget and going extinct.
I will say I love how the Grand Cherokee looks - I especially think the previous gen SRT models are amazing. If only they fixed their QC issues.
As always a fine production and quality review. It's so nice to hear from the designers. Great job!
I wonder how many owners of these $50k+ yachts ever take them on anything rougher than a dirt or gravel road?
my brother in-law is a wrangler owner and jokes about the most challenging obstacle being speed bumps and needing 35" tires so his wife doesn't scuff the rims on curbs.
Michigan roads. They are kind of like moab.
I really applaud the UX guy for not putting touch sensitive buttons galore in the interior. However there are some things that need to be addressed like the build quality and elimination of gloss black plastic.
Prices are much higher than just four years ago. My dad's '18 Trailhawk started at $43,295. It jumped to $47K by '21 and this new TH is $51,670. It's like $8500 more now. New platform, more refined, but practically, there's not a lot of difference in features. And the drivetrain is carry-over! Add the V8 and lux group and you're pushing $60K for TH.
Plus, in '18 they didn't charge for paint ($400 now), and destination charge, obviously a profit center is, $1800 now, ($1100 in '18).
Unreasonable gouging for what cannot be described as Toyota levels of quality. No thanks.
Soo true🤯
Not a lot of difference in features.... How? Digital gauge cluster, active lane centering, night vision, heads up display, digital rear view mirror, massage seats, ambient lighting, cooled second row seats, 4 zone climate control, and passenger screen are all features that were never available on a Grand Cherokee.
Significantly improved interior quality, less panel gaps, smoother ride, crisper shifting transmission, quieter interior, better handling, and better braking. It is better in every way and worth the cost imo.
@@jjchockey Not exactly. Digital gauges before, very crisp shifting before with the same ZF AT, especially in Sport Mode, and it's still a 5,000 lb brick so handling won't be that different. Braking depends on the tires; you don't know if it's better. I was using Trailhawk for the example and off-road equipment isn't different except sway bars. All the other stuff is just tech and safety nonsense that may or may not make much real difference. In any case electronics do not add up to an $8500 difference - over 3 times inflation. Dress it up and pay for it if you want, but this is gouging.
@@jre617 digital gauge cluster was never available. Yes the ZF 8 speed was good before and yes it still weighs a lot however the transmission is still crisper and smoother, the handling and ride quality is noticeably better, as well as the braking ability.
Their are improvement to every facet of this car and many new features that were never available in a Grand Cherokee before. This new Grand Cherokee pushes it much closer to the luxury segment than ever before.
You also have to consider the amount of standard features it has now. A limited with a 10” screen and pano sunroof costs 50k. A 2021 WK with a pano sunroof, LED lights, and all of the safety tech that is now standard costs about 47k so the price is not $8500 difference like you claim.
I have seen so many people that love to just look at a base price and never think about the standard features you are getting for the price.
@@jjchockey After many hours driving my dad's '18 GC Trailhawk: it does have a digital gauge display, so, you are just wrong there. Why do you claim the brakes are any better?
As I said, the TH's base price is about $8500 ($8375 actually) more than '18.
The other disturbing thing is you cannot get the 5.7 in a Limited anymore. You want a V8? You'll be pushing $60K in a higher trim level.
I understand, it's a new platform and it has some tech upgrades, but the price increases are real and just too much for what is not Toyota quality.
Modern Fiat/Chrysler is designed specifically for the average consumer who doesn't keep their vehicles for 5+ years. Looks impressive on the showroom floor but falls apart right as the warranty ends (sometimes not that long).
With all the people I hear say they don't like gloss black plastic. It seems like there might be a big group that like it or do the manufacturers not care what people like lol
My guess would be that it is cheaper to manufacturer along with the fact that it looks flashy and clean when being sold on the lot. I imagine most people don't think about it beyond the first impression it makes.
Jeep actually giving you guys the respect you deserve. Great review as always 👏
Great vid, as always guys! After my experience with the last Gen Grand Cherokee which I bought just months after its launch, I had the Overland which was the top model back then. Several times a month my rear air suspension would fail and the rear of the vehicle would sink down and it looked like I was taking off with the nose pointing upward. Due to no suspension every little bump was like hitting a massive pothole. They replaced air pumps, air bags, circuit boards etc. over five months. Finally I lemon law'd the vehicle as it became unreliable, with great push back from Jeep. I found out from my local dealer months later that they finally figured it out and it was a software issue, nothing mechanical. After that though, no more Jeeps for me.
If I had a dollar for every time I saw a Grand Cherokee driver road rage on somebody else on the road: I’d have enough money to buy a Grand Cherokee.
Same applies for every time I see a base model v6 GC coming up behind me at 95+ on the hwy.
I'm one of those guys. I bought a 2021 4x4 last year..
Why so mad bro?
Reinforces that Grand Cherokees are basically the American Land Rover!
18:51 What you guys are trying to say is the money is under the skin, and with that you can get it all on the base model. Honestly this things true model is the Trailhawk for duity and Limited for the soccer moms. The rest is something else.
Very interesting to watch the quality progression lately with respect to manufacturer involvement. This is a step up from the 911 "series" of videos, which is saying something. Really looking forward to seeing more videos in this format.
That’s the different between American luxury and German luxury! Attention to detail is something the Germans do well! But I have to say the interior does look well and a very big leap forward from Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler,Fiat!
Unfortunately, Germans have been using their engineering prowess to design for planned obsolescence, rather than make cars that serve their customers.
You guys are the Premium car review channel! Keep it up
My 2012 Grand Cherokee Limitted 3.6L has been my favorite vehicle I've owned. I'm looking at replacing it with the same or maybe an X3 M or SQ5 or a Macan S . Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Skee-Lo and Coolio, I'm back in high school again. Nice!
Yea dependability?
italians, french, and Chrysler making vehicles together; what could go wrong? lol
Thanks for the great review guys! I think the Jeep looks great, but 100% agree most buyers will not use all the off-road prowess of the Jeep. As a buyer who doesn't off road, I'm looking for a luxurious sporty highway cruiser that can handle the snow when hauling my family. For this price range the Acura MDX TypeS, BMW X5, Audi Q5, Lexus are SUV's make more sense.
Not only is this a great video (as usual with your channel), Jeep/Stellantis/Whoever went out of their way to make this better. Other manufacturers could learn something from this
You get extra points for having Skeelo on the playlist!!!