Front Wheel Drive Drift 🔥 Never Understeer Again
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This is a front wheel drive drift in Assetto Corsa. Many people say you can't drift FWD cars, or that you simple shouldn't. But, in this Assetto Corsa Touge Tutorial video I'm going to be showing you exactly how to do it, and when it's useful.
In my opinion, drifting an FF Car effectively is even harder than drifting rear wheel drive. Not only does it take a bit of practice and a lot of bravery to pull it out of the bag in a run. But, a driver needs to have a solid understanding of the theory behind driving an FF car in a performance manner.
For instance in a real wheel drive car, you are being pushed from behind around a corner. If you break traction on the rears, they will still spin whilst in oversteer and push you around the corner in a drift. But, in a FWD car, the oppositeis happening. You are being pulled around a corner. Since the application of power is pulling the car forward, as soon as you break traction on the rear, the rear tyres will naturally fall into line with the fronts after steppingon the throttle. This makes it impossible to gain momentum in a drift like a RWD car does.
So, now you're probably wondering - in what world is a front wheel drive drift useful if all you do is slow down while performing it? Well, let me tell you.
Front wheel drive cars tend to have a lot of understeer because the front wheels handle both the accelration and steering, increasing the traction load on the tyres. Therefore, under heavy load, such as in a long, fast corner, or tight corners such as hairpins, understeer is almost guaranteed to happen at some point.
TO get the grip back on an understeering vehicle, the demands on the tyre tread needs to be reduced. That means using less steering angle, and trimming off speed. Inexperienced drivers will often panic and slam on the brakes This keeps
the tyres from regaining grip, making the understeer even worse.
So, to get around a corner without losing time, we must initiate a FF drift. Understeer is likely
to occur at either the entry or exit to a corner, and this is where you should initiate the FWD
drift, to minimalise the understeer which will lose you time either through letting off the throttle or decreasingthe steering input. By drifting at either the entry or exit of a corner you won't need to steer much any more and
minimalizing the chance of understeer.
If you've watched any of my videos in the how to touge series, youll know that a lot of methods are reused, and the front wheel drivedrift is no different. There are 3 main methods we can use to induce a front wheel drive drift. But, as always, it's what you do
after the drift initiation that counts. So, you can really use any drift initiation method. But, these are some of my favourites
to use in a ff car. These methods will help you reduce understeer, as you will be able to line your car up to the exit of a corner much earlier. Meaning, you won't need to steer and throttle at the same time whihc will reducethe chance of understeer greatly.
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Its impossible to drift a fwd car... for drift you need rwd.. the max you can do is slide cose for drift you need to be able to link corners... in the definition of drift it literally says rwd... have a good day xD hehe
@@xabussas1362 wrong
@@xabussas1362 ken block+ the sim racing bloke intensify
Once those Civic owners know about this, they'll be able to achieve new levels of loud
4gen Civic sedan was amazing car to drift. Other nice cars to drift were last gen European Ford Escort GTI and Peugeot 205.
Don’t do this in a real civic lmaoo the physics are far from similar
@@typer2909 My 2008 Civic Si drifts when I chuck it into corners
@@typer2909 No it's actually like that, you just can't drift fwd.
@@Anthonybrother yes you can, not like a RWD of course and not as long but you can definetly drift a FWD.
You talk about the issues that interest me most.
That's what im thinking
@@ZERO._.R I don't know about you, but I think most Initial D fans end up being interested in this kind of stuff.
@@akalinerally3299 For me drifting has a potential technique to be fast , so im shocked that fwd can drift too 😂
@@ZERO._.R Yes, drifting is quite fast and in a way, it is also very practical.
@@akalinerally3299 also *aesthetic*
When i use fwd or awd, i set my brake bias more to the rear, so i can correct the understeer when it happens. It makes trail braking harder tho
I set an Integra's brake bias toward the front all the way and adjusted on the fly using my foot and the hand brake. Worked wonders for low speed corners.
@@maynarddrivmester2224 that sounds like understeer hell
@@jawnnydoodlebob7387 no, I use the handbrake for variable balance
I usually do that too, it helps in corners but makes trail braking and transitions hell transitions
Just use the gas to overpower some of the front braking force.
I've grown up driving ff cars almost exclusively. Personally I love the quick turn in and cornering that you get from a well setup fwd car. Fwd drift is a ton of fun as well, as long as you keep some space between you the guardrail...
Haha I crashed my first Car and Honda into a guard rail while trying to correct the back end winging out on me.
@@hektorquest970 I just did this last week in my Impala. Fun untill you need to fix it bumper and buy new taillight
Not sure if trolling or just ignorant...
You're drawing a distinction between powersliding and drifting, but powersliding is drifting. And then what you are describing as "convention drifting" is powersliding. Powersliding is using power to break traction and propel the car through a slide/drift. Drifting is simply any time your rear wheels slide in a controlled fashion to create oversteer. There are lots of different ways to initiate a drift, regardless of drive wheels. To think of one style as "correct" or "convention" is close-minded and wrong. Different cars + turns need different methods of approach. To say fwd cannot drift is uninformed, and to say the only way they can even attempt a drift is to powerslide is even more uninformed.
Did you even watch the video you're commenting on? You might learn something if you give it a watch ;)
@@Lucky30Eight_ is this the comment you meant to reply to?
@@hopstr9606 oh thats funny, there was another reply on this thread that I responded to. I guess they deleted their comment at some point.
I normally don't drive FF cars, now I might have to try them out again
I legit drift Ek9 for fun and ai’m somehow able to drift it nice lol
Get a awd. It's the same but better and actually fast
FF rally cars are great on slippy surfaces if you know how to left foot brake well.
@@cyruslever586 the problem it's that AWD or RWD cars are rare to get (at least in my country)
@@marypoppinsm7 what country do you live in that you can't just buy a subaru or audi or bmw?
2:15 that example of understeer was the best footage I've ever watched .. well done
Ah yes the technique Shingo is good at
Gumtape death match?!
@@skylined5534 crashing
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@@namename8207 C O O L V I B R A T I O N S
Your next video must go over the front wheel drive four wheel drift
the FWDFWD
Oh dear, front wheel drive drift was already a mouthful xD
i actually had to use a fwd drift to prevent a crash recently, IRL, and this video really saved me arse. i had to get somewhere fast, and a very tight series of corners came up that i didnt realise were as tight as they were. trailbraking really saved the car, and remembering to be gentle on the brakes and throttle saved it.
so thanks again for providing a tutorial indepth enough that it could be used irl
There seems to be some confusion about the difference between what a drift and powerslide is;
"Essentially, a drift starts before the apex, while a powerslide starts after the apex. With a powerslide, you keep things tidy up until you hit the apex. Once there, you put the power down-which, in a rear-drive car with good power, can make the back end step out to varying degrees. In a drift, the slide starts much earlier. Your goal is to induce oversteer going into the corner, not on your way out-sometimes using a clutch kick or a tug on the handbrake to get the car sideways ahead of the apex. Any time you're oversteering before the apex, it's a drift.
So now you know. And next time one of your friends incorrectly calls a powerslide a drift, or vice versa, you'll be able to point out exactly how wrong they are."
As a someone that mainly drives FF cars (especially the EK9), this video is a blessing ! Thank you !
Something about FWD cars just hit different I love em
As usual love your vids. Especially love the shopping cart example! Love how you explain the complex physics behind drifting and power-steering in such a dimple manner. Very entertaining!
Still remembering the time how Takumi won against a Professional driving a tuned for touge Civic just because a cat crossed the street and the pro driver swerved.
when your car's spec list consists of ??? i mean that's pretty unfair r☠️
Taco meme plot armor has no cracks. Between this and the God arm race it seems that if he is about to lose god himself will step in and say "nah"
i mean i love my FF cars and i even drive them in real life (EK1 and EG6) and trust me drifting is just a waste of time. learn to left foot break as when you’re cornering and you have too much oversteer add some brake etc. you have a lot more control of the car and also allows you to go faster
You should for sure upload some touge battles on assetto once your sim setup is fixed. I’m sure many people would enjoy watching them.
He did but he deleted it
I accidentally learned how to do this in the rain at 65mph holding light throttle in a slide after initiating it, essentially the car was dragging its back tires sliding, after I learned it I did it to work Every Morning when it would rain, and It was a 1999 Honda CR-V of All Cars to do it in, weight shifting was easy because the shocks were worn out
@@danielnelson4881 I was doing it every morning to work when It would rain like it was muscle memory, I knew the car well
First gen CRVs handle way to well for what they are.
@@alexandermueller4115 They are literally an EK Civic with a high roof and taller suspension, and they had Manual as an option, you can take the spare and put it inside so it Literally turns it into a second gen Civic Wagon looking thing, and its got a B series as standard, the top heaviness I think helps it toss around corners a bit
@@colapone1895 I rebuilt the suspension on mine to Oem standards, it was my favorite car I ever owned.
@@alexandermueller4115 I had one on coilovers that was lowered to about Civic Ride Height on sticky tires with AWD, still could push it in the rain until the back end would Just barely break loose
Great video! Just as illustrative and clear as ever. Two questions, is that DDM's Type R? and, would you explain the inner wheel lifting on a video someday?
Thanks! Possibly
I think this is the DDM Mugen EK
sheeesh is that tako
Never played asseto corsa but your just entertaining to watch handsdown my man one day you’ll become the best asseto corsa guider
Thank you!! Been driving front wheel CRX recently and this video broadened my view
Time to become Shingo
Daburu charshu ikoze
i can watch these clean turns again and again
this is some good stuff man!
Well done mate your channel has really blew up. I found your videos a few years ago when i started my channel. I new that your content was amazing and that you would really succeed mate. Well done from the bandit
thank you for this video i was convinced i was just bad at driving ff despite driving them for so many hours on so many tracks
My favorite memory in Forza 7 pub lobbies was divebombing a dirty lead pack in a hairpin to pull ahead with a handbrake drift in a Civic. Taking the lead with an actual drift when I'm a basic grip boi was amazing.
Thank you for helping put my theories into video format. Amzaninf content btw 🙌 ty TH-cam recommended
The shopping kart example was really good.
great vid dude
Trail braking is very effective to initiate drift on any car since its transfer the load from the rear to the outer front wheel, tried it on sim game like granturismo 5 as well on my motorcycle. Weight shifting is key
wow you're good at explaining things holy moly! keep it up!
I’m definitely gonna reference this video a lot in the future when it comes to fwd driving techniques.
I have a chevy sprint turbo and thid gave me some insight on how to have fun in it. Thanks!
will try this method thanks mate
The fact this Chanel is at 11.8k subs is fucking mind blowing
Smashing content dude! It won’t be long till those numbers start going wild
Another great video. Would be a great idea for video to cover more fwd drift techniques.
Subscribed! Gonna try this out on my Honda CRX in Tokyo Xtreme racer drift 2
*Cool Vibrations*
I've always had fwd cars but I loved drifting so I taught myself how whenever it'd rain and eventually I found a nice oval gravel lot till I got brave enough to try it on pavement
Thumbnails are awesome btw. They really catch your eye in the feed.
Thanks, I'm glad you noticed. Thumbnails are probably my favourite part of making videos xD
I was always terrible with front wheel drive cars, I really could barely corner in them, but after I first watched this video I became actually decent at driving them. The thing is, my racing style has always been very aggressive in the corners, throwing the car around pretty hard, and this video is what taught me how to do that in FWD cars.
you mentioning wanting to reach 15k subs by the end of the year and seeing you at 93k now 2 years later makes me feel all warm inside
Definitely going to try this
Well, as Civic racer from HS Racing Club i can say that FF drift only works in hairpins. In other turns it just slows you down, making the exit of the corner slow. Also, slip angle works in hairpins and long corners after fast corner, it helps you to save the stability of the car.
Even I master how to corner on track, drifting is still a thing which I struggle, thanks for the advice
I just recently found your channel, and I am loving your sim racing content! I really want a sim some day to try out these touge tricks you talk about in AC, because for me controller is no good. Like I can do certain things but it makes the game more difficult than it has to be. But man this videos are awesome, keep up the great work!!!
A wheel and pedals are definitely worth the money! Go for it
YES DUDE
I rally raced a civic for years in the San Antonio area. When I would drive around town in that car I would drift it all around town. It is such fun.
Shingo also uses the handbrake technique to eliminate under steer to make a better corner entry.
i tried this on my minivan fwd automatic, and it works😉
I need to try this on my cadillac deville someday.
@@brayannexon4613 😀👍
Noob car guys be like: “Oh, BuT yOu CaNt DrIfT wItH aNy VaN, oR fRoNt, FoUr, Or AlL wHeEl DrIvE cARs
Chad car guys be like: *CAR IS CAR.*
@@TeenWithACarrotIDKExactly
you just earned a new subscriber
Lift off over steer is the goat of ff and the most balsey, definitely should cover it
Well done video!
Thanks!
In DiRT Rally 2.0 if you want to increase oversteer in fwd to the point that drifting is easy, you can simply adjust the front wheel differential, and soften the front springs / anti roll bar.
you want to make the front springs stiffer, and add deceleration lock. stiff rear anti roll bars. this kids not even drifting!
Great tip I need to try this I'm other games as well.
I think i might get a eg6 now for bumping experiment
YES THANK YOU
SSS tier channel the best method teacher
Yet another bangin video, great stuff
Glad you enjoyed it
Here in Switzerland, our shopping carts have all wheel drift capabilities.
Since I only drive FF cars this is very helpful. Thanks for making this!
Okay now do a a ff slip angle video
I hope to see a lift-off oversteer video soon, great vid!
Did lift off drifting irl and ended up in a fence and a tree not a good time.
@@sleepyedits4498 I flipped into a ditch after turning 180 on the road😭
This outro banging
i gotta stop smoking bruh, im sittin here watchin this shit wit the brightness all the way down this shit look real as hell. i thought the driver was just fkn fire until you said ur sim was broken😂
Shingo is listening
Not sure if it would apply to this video or separate vid but a staggered tire setup (wider front) also helps oversteer as well
3:44 Dunno man, that regular line seemed plenty *toight* to me
Drifting is cooler doe
Didn't they take the corner completely wrong too?
This is the reason the wrc 2 liter World Cup cars were so competitive and even putting faster time down on the tarmac parts of the stages.
Cheeky bonk at 7:32
FF understeer is most commonly compensated for by using the handbrake method, reducing the stress on the front wheel
That EK hatchback is my dream car…. 😍
I might buy a corolla and try this out, safely of course, keep up the good content. I would share the video but i have no friends :)
You mean a real Corolla or one in a game?
@@Jupiter__001_ both
Try it out on a low grip surface like gravel or grass first. You should be able to initiate it at slower speeds (like 40- 50kph).
when people say "fwd drift is impossible" i bet they think of the slow and constant show off powerslide drifting where rear wheels become cloudmakers
You deserve a lot more subs
Was there before premier
When I can, I will support the channel and become a member.
Fwd drifting is fun, I love sending my Mondeo wagon sideways. It always feels so silly yet satisfying to toss around family car like that 😀
How does this guy not have 1 mill subs fr
Something not spoken of that could affect FWD handling, especially turn-in and understeer, is selecting/adjusting for parallel steering or anti-ackermann instead of the typical Ackermann steering arrangement. Also, if your rear end toes OUT on compression and IN on droop, then braking and lift-off will be more stable, but once you start the weight transfer and load up the side opposite to your turning direction, you'll essentially have rear-steer. I'm not saying this is ideal or that you SHOULD do this, but it's kinematically what WOULD happen if you had toe IN on droop and toe OUT on compression in the rear. Play with it, if you can.
Finally, someone who understands!
I like watching the subtitles because of how the bot spells assetto corsa and touge. It’s epic
Amazing video, I love how you explain these tricks, what about inner wheel lifting next if you haven't done it?
S tier channel
Thank you 😅
i'm watching your videos so i can practice the techniques when i have my driver's license
In low grip scenarios drifting is a LOT faster in fwd cars, pointing it towards the exit allows you to get on the power way earlier and it's a lot less awkward trying to balance acceleration and steering.
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In assoluto racing, i do a simmiliar techinique when entering corners, tho I release the gas pedal as I continue on the corner, occasionally pressing the gas pedal gently while maintaining the powerslide. It's a bit fun but it's hard when I'm doing it in the touge map because I do not have enough speed to do the weight transition mainly because the gap between two corners isn't big enough for me to accelerate my 321 hp civic. I already used short gearing on my EK9 to reduce the acceleration time but it barely does a difference, so i just use the handbrake to cut off the understeer, just like master shinggo does.
I love the song playing at the mid point of the video. If I'm not mistaken, that's from "intelligent drum and bass" isn't it?
Man I hope theres a track editor for gt7 so I can actually use these😂
Well I know what I am trying while on lunch tomorrow. Wish my tires and brakes luck.
loved the vid, was wondering if you got a link for the ek9
Lol, standard Scandinavia flick. You are a great rally driver
Aight bet, gonna go drift my 2011 accord IRL on some windy County roads.
I needed a tips, should i step on brake pedal, or pulling handbrake, or maintaining accelerator pedal to make a drift on a corner with FWD?
dayum
Ok, time to try this on my 2006 Corolla.
Hey sim racing bloke, is it faster to have some skinny ass tires on the back of an FF? in my mind they arent doing much and the skinnier they are the more power you can have while still doing somewhat of a slip angle, treating it almost like a wierd AWD.
U got to 18k