What FFB is realistic for sim drifting? (2 to 20 Nm)

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    I tested sim drifting at different force feedback strengths from 2 Nm all the way up to 20 Nm using my direct drive wheelbase, combined with my years of experience drifting real cars, to lean which FFB strength was too weak and a waste of money, which range was good for sim enthusiasts on a limited budget, which is perfect for a sim drifting "forever purchase" and where FFB is too much and you end up paying for wheel strength that you don't actually need.
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  • @KameTrick
    @KameTrick  28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

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  • @freshcoastdrifttracks6074
    @freshcoastdrifttracks6074 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Sick seeing you drrive my speedsportz track on video! Great video idea and well executed!

  • @spacedoutcowboy5211
    @spacedoutcowboy5211 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    This video shows how much quiter nice DD wheels are compared to entry level gear drive wheels. My logitec G920 was so loud

    • @JimmyNuisance
      @JimmyNuisance 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      My G25 was also mad loud compared to the T-GT2 I have these days. DD is even much more quiet than the belt driven T-GT2 I have. I really want Thrustmaster to make a DD base for Playstation dammit... I need it for GT7 in VR.

    • @aguywhoplaysracinggames8607
      @aguywhoplaysracinggames8607 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@JimmyNuisancethe entry level fanatec dd wheels and pedals work for both ps4 and ps5, and theyre only 5nm so can still just mount it to a desk if you dont have a rig

    • @larniaxx
      @larniaxx 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey I’ve been thinking of getting this one with the extra 3 nm cable , do you think it’d be worth waiting a few more weeks to get or jumping straight away to the t300rs gt? I just want to be able to be satisfied and have a good enough feedback and immersing experience. I notice it’s almost double the price for the dd but also double the nm , could I please get your opinion?​@@aguywhoplaysracinggames8607

  • @staffanstuff
    @staffanstuff 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +58

    REGARDING FANATEC: The base is what makes it compatible with Playstation. The wheel is what makes it compatible with Xbox.
    So you can use the GT DD Pro/DD+/Extreme with an Xbox compatible wheel and, boom, you can play PC, Playstation and Xbox with the same rig. CSL DD/Clubsport DD will not work the other way around though so you'll be stuck with PC/Xbox only.

    • @xTheEcO
      @xTheEcO 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Product lines confuse me, so just to double check, if I wanted to have a mostly PC wheel with occasional GT7 on PS5:
      Get something like DD+ (If I want 12~15nm), and any wheels (GT3, F1, Round wheel for drifting etc) and (Fanatec) pedals? and I should have no problems?

    • @staffanstuff
      @staffanstuff 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@xTheEcO That's correct. Any Fanatec wheel/pedals with DD+ and you're good to go... When playing GT7 you'll plug ONE usb cable to the console because the wheel base acts as a periphery hub (RJ12 connectors) for pedals/handbrake. That's why you can't use a sweet handbrake from VNM (usb connector) when playing PS5 for instance. PC - no problem. And I guess you'll do most of the drifting on PC anyway..

    • @K.O.I_WORK
      @K.O.I_WORK 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Collective minds Drive hub fixes all that for $80

    • @bumblebeeisfree
      @bumblebeeisfree 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Even more of a reason to go with the DD pro. Interesting

  • @bullit199
    @bullit199 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great work Kame Trick! Can see loads of time and effort went into this one. Great script, b-roll, images, and analysis based on your skills and experience!

  • @gtrslngrchris
    @gtrslngrchris 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video! Production level through the roof, man!

  • @brapgarage
    @brapgarage 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excellent video, Ben. Fun and informational. Now I know what wheel to aim for next!

  • @F34RALI
    @F34RALI 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tysm for this video I've been looking for a video like this for so long pls continue make more content like this

  • @LaidbackMarco
    @LaidbackMarco 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow Kame nice to see you upload another video! The production quality has gone up and you look so healthy glad to see !!

  • @deyandimitrov9457
    @deyandimitrov9457 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is actually a pretty good explanation and tutorial! Good job! 👍🏻

  • @Duwentor
    @Duwentor 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    And not a word about the fact that in the case of 4-6 nm bases, it will be necessary to turn their power to the limit (to achieve the power recommended in this video) and during long sessions at 100% they will overheat or break down faster. This is not yet a category of products where they are capable of large and long-term loads.

    • @bumblebeeisfree
      @bumblebeeisfree 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well this is only a recommendation. While I am highly considering getting the fanatec dd pro as an upgrade from the g29. Doesnt mean that I will go out and make a blind purchase just because Ben recommended it, I have to do my own research.so yeah I understand the criticism as there are plenty of people that will do that without doing research on their own.

    • @magnusr3428
      @magnusr3428 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah exactly. I'd much rather be running my expensive hardware well within its capacity rather than right on the limit every time

  • @steveswanproductionstt6355
    @steveswanproductionstt6355 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A well needed video in the sim realm. Thanks for this video. I just upgraded from the logitech 27 to the logitech dd pro racing wheel. Can't wait to jump in

  • @gothops154
    @gothops154 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +102

    I don’t know why people want 20nm wheels. It’s simply not realistic, at least for the driving I do (even F1 cars have power steering, but F2 doesn’t so idk). I do rally racing in real life and the sim and these cars all have power steering, you don’t need to fight the wheel with every fiber of your being, it’s should be quite easy actually. Depending on the game I might even turn my G Pro down to 4nm like in Dirt Rally and other times keep it up to 10nm in games like WRC10, because the game is definitely not using all 10nm, so there is some game to game difference vs real life as well. But the moral of the story here is you shouldn’t be fighting with your wheel, that does not add realism. Pick a NM that allows feedback to come thru and the wheel to self steer (at least in the case of DD wheels) while still being able to quickly manipulate the wheel yourself. If anything the biggest difference is between a cheaper belt driven wheel and a real DD wheel, that’s the biggest realism improvement you can give yourself.

    • @smallbutdeadly931
      @smallbutdeadly931 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      cuz 21nm is funny

    • @dienkonig33
      @dienkonig33 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The new for 2024 F2 car does have power steering actually, so even that is off the table now.

    • @UTubeSL
      @UTubeSL 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks, and props to you for doing rally driving in real life!
      Mind if I ask whether you think Dirt Rally or WRC are realistic (damage simulation aside)?

    • @josephbornman8462
      @josephbornman8462 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@UTubeSL Regardless, RBR is super easy to recommend. There are many, many real-life stages that are imo very well done by modders
      And though there are some limitations, they've done well to give good logic to the game for rally car driving, and give you some options that you don't get in those games
      Also, you are able to download different voice packs people have made, as well as edit your own pacenotes (or, as I prefer, download Luppis' collection of all his edited pacenotes). This matters because the default pacenotes are not consistent among all modders, and I found that distracting. Coveniently, there was a solution for it
      Anyway, my point is I totally recommend RBR for the stages and feel of driving alone. Though the new games have advantages of their own of course

    • @zepos
      @zepos 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Do you think it's worth to go from g29 to t300 RS or save and go straight to moza r5?

  • @DBoone123
    @DBoone123 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kame always has the best sim drift videos out there, god bless

  • @TheBlackHombre
    @TheBlackHombre 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    This is the definitive video for where to get started into sim drifting. Amazing job

    • @mph2954
      @mph2954 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I thought so aswell but arnt some wheel badrs peak torque ans sime constant rated torque?

    • @TheBlackHombre
      @TheBlackHombre 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mph2954 Yes, but the majority of wheel bases advertise their peak torque - not sustained torque. From personal experience, my Moza R9 (peak torque of 9nm) does everything I need for drifting, and is capable of maintaining a fast enough wheel speed even after a long play session. So according to KameTrick, having a wheelbase with either a peak or sustained torque between 8 - 12nm will give you a great drifting experience.

    • @bumblebeeisfree
      @bumblebeeisfree 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The definitive channel you mean. Kame trick really is hidden gold.

  • @NovaPog37
    @NovaPog37 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this is a great video! explained perfectly what I've felt with the g920 and later on with my t300rs, just got a used moza r5 and it's miles better, the force feedback isn't much stronger but the details make it so much better

  • @AdamsApples
    @AdamsApples 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very educational video. Thanks for all of these comparisons! Gonna have to upgrade from my TMX eventually lol

  • @limitetpancake9459
    @limitetpancake9459 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I've been drifting for over 3y with a logitech g920 with a custom 32cm non deep-dish wheel, and I fully agree that 2.5nm is just not enough from a gear driven wheel. when im upgrading i wanted the moza r5, but im thinking about getting the r9 after seeing this video.
    thanks for the great advice

  • @KalElRedK
    @KalElRedK 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very informative and well-made video!

  • @neonnerd1364
    @neonnerd1364 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great video. I'm looking to upgrade my wheel soon since I'm using a g920 with an aftermarket wheel. It's not too bad but I have noticed it doesn't quite spin fast enough on certain cars and it does clip and shake a ton when ffb and centering force is cranked up to compensate but I've still had a blast on it since it's what got me into Sim drifting.

    • @gtrslngrchris
      @gtrslngrchris 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I started on a G923 and got mildly competent and when I got my DD wheel I instantly leveled up by a large degree. You can absolutely make it work on the lower end wheels but it's such a better experience with a belt drive or DD wheel.

    • @neonnerd1364
      @neonnerd1364 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@gtrslngrchris ya I definitely want to upgrade. I only got the g920 because I got the wheel pedals and shifter used for $200 usd and it was like brand new and I didn't want to spend an arm and a leg just in case I didn't get that into it. Now I'm super into it and I've quickly found the limits of the g920 but I've been making it work as much as I can for the time being. I started on live for speed and then switched to assetto and beamng once I got my first gaming pc last summer.

  • @mrchew5326
    @mrchew5326 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! This is one of the most informative sim racing buying guides I’ve ever seen. Thank you for the great content!

    • @KameTrick
      @KameTrick  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I appreciate that, thanks for taking the time to say so :)

  • @ckaile211
    @ckaile211 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    damn this video is mad good kame trick mad props dude

  • @BuddaDrifts
    @BuddaDrifts 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey kame with another banger ... slide on man❤

  • @rcsibiu
    @rcsibiu 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thrustmaster T300 RS GT was an absolute PERFECT wheel for me. 3 pedals, cool shifter, nice 1080°of rotation, great alcantara finish for the stitches, I loved that wheel.
    I have some videos on my channel using it.
    Then I took my driving license and swapped for a real wheel in an Opel Astra G from 2001.
    I still miss my T300 and plan to buy a new one soon just for fun, also my daughter will learn to drive so she will need it for practice *(City Car Simulator is a MUST play for any new driver)

  • @mega4507
    @mega4507 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    the production quality is insane!! always great to see new videos keep it up!

  • @franckchalut
    @franckchalut 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    great video quality upgrade ! 👍 looks very professionnal.
    I use the csl dd with 5nm, feals similar to my irl 22 brz with electric steering, would say above 5nm would be great if you want to emulate hydraulic pumps.

  • @cheemsstar6882
    @cheemsstar6882 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have been sim drifting for 4 years on a cheap ass g920 in assetto and beamng, sims that are fairly hard to master and learn. And even tho i sometimes see the lack of information from my wheel, i learned to predict when the wheel is gonna underdeliver on the FFB and still was able to gain confidence in my driving and put togheter some nice tandems. Still i would love to get my hands on some nice DD rig. Lovely video:)

  • @MikePruszkowski
    @MikePruszkowski 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome vid, love it. 👌

  • @KilIlugh
    @KilIlugh 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! And very true about it being better to save than buying the cheapest option. I recently switched from a g923 to a fanatec DD and it’s so night and day different, I should’ve done it sooner.

    • @Benedict00
      @Benedict00 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which one

  • @tonyyimbo
    @tonyyimbo 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You need to upload more . Your content is smooth .

  • @MigotRen
    @MigotRen 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    thank you for making this video. Ive been sim driving casually (time attack and freeroaming mostly) for years now after I bought a g27 from my first wage ever and never bothered with another one. because it worked fine as far as I can tell with its 3NM. for normal grip driving i never felt that i needed more finesse and i got used to the "clankyness" of the wheel. of course in never drive real cars as close to the limit so the torge felt adaquite.
    Ive always felt that its hard for me to control my drifts and always thought im just bad at it but never got really better than OK at it. now i will actually get a dd wheel base to see the differnece myself.
    or maybe that has some time casue i jsut spend 4k on mods for my actually real rs3 lol

  • @michaknowsbest
    @michaknowsbest 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Exzellent Video ❤ Can you share your Settings for the VRS Base and in AC.

  • @SerialDriver
    @SerialDriver 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Interesting but you're missing one important point : slew rate. And stronger bases have also higher slew rate. For example, a sc2 sport might have enough Nm, but has a slower slew rate than the sc2 pro. So even if you're not using all the nm of the sc2 pro, you will have a better experience

  • @musicbykarma
    @musicbykarma 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Extremely useful video, thank you

  • @DeandreMurray
    @DeandreMurray 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very cool video and extremely useful!

  • @UTubeSL
    @UTubeSL 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! Thank you.

  • @monsifmrini
    @monsifmrini 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    very useful tysm ❤

  • @patrickhernas7793
    @patrickhernas7793 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thans for the nice video! Did you share your VRS / AC1 settings somewhere?
    Is there a reason why you lead the cables of your VRS base upwards in your fov. Instead of leading these out to the side and letting the 90 degree angles point backwards?

  • @driftkid270
    @driftkid270 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Best content out there!

  • @WazzupTN
    @WazzupTN 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video!❤

  • @samo3931
    @samo3931 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Your pronaunciation of Tykkimäki, Kouvola was a OK. Was a bit confused that you suddenly said the name of my hometown. Anyway, thank you for the video, it was really helpful. Greetings from Kouvola, Finland!

    • @KameTrick
      @KameTrick  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Haha yeah, I love small and technical tracks, so I'm always on the looking for neat IRL venues from around the world! I'd love to visit and cut some laps there, someday :)

  • @bigbeard134
    @bigbeard134 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you 🙏 u help make my decision

  • @FellowshipOfTheAviatorZ
    @FellowshipOfTheAviatorZ 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First I want to say, Thank you, for such an informative video. not many reviewers cover so many choices in one video. Just wanted to say at 8:15 The Cammus C5 actually has a rated/listed Holding Torque of 5nm but has been reviewed and recorded many times hitting all the way up to 8-9nm of peak torque which lands it above even the boost kit CSL's peak torque of 8nm! (The holding torque of 8nm CSL is around 5-6nm) The smaller rim size and overall look of the wheel may deter some.. I happen to quite like its quirky look, but with its shaftless motor design the return speed is amazingly good for drifting, and in my experience it hits Waaay above its weight class in terms of overall strength in its FFB and feels very hefty in Rally. For the price, it just can't be beat. From what I've seen C12 also has a listed Holding Torque of 12nm but actual Peak Torque is closer to 15-16nm. Its just the way Cammus rates their products. I highly recommend the C5 (I don't own a C12) For its price and performance its very good, just be mindful of any local warehouse near your country to help keep shipping costs down. Again, great video, man.

  • @This_is_Elzed
    @This_is_Elzed 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Conclusion : 8nm is the sweet spot for realistic drift :)
    Thank you for your video, it is really helpful.

  • @arik2680
    @arik2680 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another awesome video with great informative content!
    What is the mountain track you're driving on? Downloadable to general public??

    • @KameTrick
      @KameTrick  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks! And yes on the track, that's Irohazaka by EK, which is a port of the Initial: D Arcade Stage track (I think version 8). There's also a version by Project Kaido that's really good.

    • @arik2680
      @arik2680 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @KameTrick Thanks mate, I had a feeling it was the Iroha slopes! I have the EK Irohazaka map downloaded but mine doesn't have the sponsor boards and doesn't look as vibrant as yours which is why I thought it may have been something else!

  • @muziccreator101
    @muziccreator101 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just setup my PXN V10 how my real car drives. I mostly just run GT3 cars. I tried drifting once in Assetta Corsa. Worked fine.

  • @Dsilveiro
    @Dsilveiro 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This video is really good to understand what to upgrade to
    But personally if you get a good deal I recommend the Logitech G920 if you not sure if you going to like it like me, I got mine for £150 and improve my drifting a lot, I don't have a drift car, but I went to do a drifting experience before I had the wheel and keep spinning, after a 6months of having the wheel went again and almost did the full circuit

  • @MazdaChris
    @MazdaChris 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    One thing not mentioned here, but worth keeping in mind, is that you ideally want to be using any wheel at less than 100%. This is less of a specific issue with drifting but definitely something for grip driving, since when you're at 100% you can run into a lot of clipping - this is where the motor is operating at its maximum force and can't go further, so you lose all the fine detail from the feedback. You want to have 10-20% of headroom on your wheel to avoid this.

  • @sebastianpl4073
    @sebastianpl4073 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    if you are really budget limited then buy a thrustmaster t150/tmx and make a steel bearing mode. Your wheel then will have around 3.5nm

  • @smallbutdeadly931
    @smallbutdeadly931 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    For your in-game settings, how high did you set your gain?
    I usually run 25% with my R21 having the FFB strength at 100% in Moza Pithouse and that feels realistic to me

  • @ImperviouslyGaming
    @ImperviouslyGaming 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    honestly my main issue has always been getting the settings ingame as well as IRL wheel settings dialed to the point It feels realistic and perfect.. I have a ClubSport Wheel Base V2.5 by fanatec I bought when it was new, and I have gotten it to an acceptable setting for "drifting" but then i need to change settings if I wanna grip race cause it feels so off for grip, and then my grip settings feel really off for drifting. Any chance you have the perfect setting combo for the CSW 2.5 for assetto corsa? I mainly just drift but I feel like the ideal settings should be able to work for either or.

  • @Keisuke42
    @Keisuke42 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Invaluable information.

  • @wraith3953
    @wraith3953 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    yeah i use the tmx to drift. i play 720 degrees of rotation and i still have to throw my wheel into the turns, im looking to get a moza r5 soon thogh

  • @giogamer4825
    @giogamer4825 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Having the Fanatec DD+ (50% in games) on my reinforced Playseat Challenge...it rocks without flex, only my skills have a lot of flex 😅

  • @Li0nSam
    @Li0nSam 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    At this moment i'm little bit struggling with FFB wheels too (in hope that will setup sim and wheel correctly at last), because IRL drifting (rally too) much easier, IRL these oscillations never happen, IRL there is so much ass-sensing of car inertia which greatly helping to control it.

  • @Simracingcontent
    @Simracingcontent 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    16:56 There is a Fanatec GT DD with 5 NM, and if you use a boost kit you will have 8 NM. You can't get a 12 NM Fanatec GT DD.

  • @simracehouse
    @simracehouse 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    FFB quality is the most important. For example I use Moza R21 and keep it at 40% but the FFB quality of R16 and R21 is higher than for example R5 or R12, even more smoother, so it’s even more enjoyable than R5 and R12 I’ve been using before

  • @Sideways_Singh
    @Sideways_Singh 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Using a bigger diameter lightweight wheel like 350mm would help because it gives u leverage to make inputs easily while running higher ffb, so that way u can get the quickness of higher ffb like 12nm and still be able to easily make corrections like a real car. Also people prefer bigger diameter for drifting anyways, it helps u be more accurate and make more precise movements, less chance of a spinout. What diameter wheel are u running?

  • @dcars806
    @dcars806 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Don't forget about Aztek Forte, La Prima, and the 27nm bases they sell! Also if you have a MicroCenter near you, you may be able to find a PXN direct drive wheel no one talks about

  • @gzaos
    @gzaos 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I got a TS-XW on use market 3 years ago for 250, I wish to upgrade. But I will have to buy a proper rig to mount a DD and at that point i will closer to the 2k than the 1k for an upgrade. Oh, not to mention the space requirement. At least I know I will be aiming at 10-15 nm wheel base.

  • @Navoii.
    @Navoii. 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That purple wheel looks sick. What is it?
    It reminds me of Grip Royal, which is very controversial. I've seen good and bad reviews for it

  • @BUC2045
    @BUC2045 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    with the logi, and thrustmaster wheels we have to throw the wheel when flicking into corners

  • @salvador4016
    @salvador4016 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a moza r5 would you recommend me to run at 100 percent force feedback in game in app currently running at 80% my wheel oscillates at 100 and honestly just feels like I’m driving a car with no power steering

  • @aphae
    @aphae 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have an alpha mini and use different force feedback depending on the car pack. Some are heavier, some aren’t. Also the oscillations are a pain. Hate having to lower the FFB just to somewhat remove it

  • @capt_nugget
    @capt_nugget 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another factor you didn’t mention with the gear driven wheels, on my G920 I’ve noticed that the wheel has a decent amount of resistance to my inputs, but only in one direction. Perhaps it’s because of the gear driven system, or it’s just the g920/g29, but when you flick into a drift (a true staple of drifting on a gear driven wheel), it’s much easier to flick the wheel to the right than to the left, something that you wouldn’t even think of being an issue, yet it is. Another fantastic feature of the G920 is that if you flick a little TOO hard, the wheel will decide that it wants to become unaligned, and centers at about 15° left. It will stay like this until you unplug the wheel, which could require a restart of the game, ruining your race or drift session. On top of that, the software is complete garbage, has no useful options other than steering angle, and it uses 20% of my CPU for no reason. That’s why I agree with you that it’s just not worth it to get a gear driven wheel for drifting, even though it’s the cheapest option available.
    Edit: I would like to mention that it is totally possible (albeit very very difficult, much harder than people make it out to be) to drive at the highest level (VDC and others) with a gear driven wheel, but you won’t be able to keep up with anyone else using a belt or DD wheel. It’s purely a factor of the centering speed that you will need to drive those cars. You can drive them, but you will have to compensate with throttle and brakes, meaning you’ll be outpaced anyways. Although it’s possible, just not feasible, and I’ve yet to see footage of anyone shredding tandems using a g27 or g29 with VDC cars or similar high hp drift cars.

  • @MSR_Gilles
    @MSR_Gilles 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Could you show us your settings from the VRS software?

  • @andrewgerhardt8280
    @andrewgerhardt8280 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I currently run the tmx and I can agree with what he’s saying about the tmx

  • @TrueKivan
    @TrueKivan 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The hardest part in starting drifting as someone who never tried it in real life is figuring out how to setup your hardware to feel proper, after all how would I know? Been bouncing on and off drifting for a while now for that reason. I will try again with your tips here, but damn wish I could just teleport someone like you directly into my cockpit so you could set it up for me so I can stick to learning on a properly done setup. There is a lot of trial and error involved, I might be on Simucube 2 Pro but I'm clueless if I'm doing the right thing.

  • @rindoisumairu1194
    @rindoisumairu1194 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a g29 which I bought it 4 years ago so I'm considering to upgrade from 8 - 12 NM steering wheel so any recommendation??

  • @BikeLife1
    @BikeLife1 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Moza R9 or Simagic price range equivalent are the absolute best beginner options for anyone serious about enjoying this as a hobby

  • @professordraxon3982
    @professordraxon3982 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What wheel is that? the color shift is amazing, must have one

  • @Lead_Foot
    @Lead_Foot 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I got started drifting with a G27 and worked my way to getting good enough to do 360 drift entries. If you can drift on a weak gear driven wheel you can drift on anything.

    • @zepos
      @zepos 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How long have u been drifting and what's ur progress? I started about 4 days ago and still can't maintain long donuts. I can however drift corners but can't transition into another corner.

    • @nyox999
      @nyox999 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@zeposthats normal (It was similar to me and my frienda atleast) Maybe try practicing bigger circles?

    • @DantesGrill
      @DantesGrill 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zepos It's kind of hard to give you tips because you don't really say much. What wheel? What game? Is a long donut a wide donut or just for a long time? I used to play Gran Turismo 5 with a G27 and I ranked top 1000 in some drift events back in the days. Could never do that now though, the FFB is too weak I kept spinning out last time I tried.

  • @mmaoxii4065
    @mmaoxii4065 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    can i get the links to all the tracks that were in this video?
    thanks

  • @TalksWithNoise
    @TalksWithNoise 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Recently found your channel. Really enjoy the tie you've made between irl and game drifting. Had a buddy who races agree the sensory deprivation in comparison to real life is the biggest drawback. If you ever get into game reviews, BeamNG players eat up real life drift content being paired with the game.
    Also, if anyone's reading. Careful with paddle shifter and button wheels. Anything sticking out can give your fingers a nice whack if your pulling your hands away from a wreck! :D

  • @ArchOfficial
    @ArchOfficial 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A typical PS curve will be clipping around 5-6Nm most of the time, so you'd be looking at 4-5Nm midcorner.
    The catch is that PS is nonlinear, so the ramp is still very high and it feels "tight". PS also won't work with hands off the wheel, effectively speeding up the wheel when letting go.
    Modded AC can do a PS curve, but it won't do the hands-off stuff.
    Of course, manual cars usually reach 15-20Nm peaks in transient.

  • @panewa3810
    @panewa3810 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was considering buying Fanatec CSL DD 8NM, and after this video I think that's the wheel base I want

    • @drstefankrank
      @drstefankrank 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have this one, but if I would buy again today, I might have a deeper look at Moza. Their truck wheel make my eyes water.

    • @dylanmonahan5909
      @dylanmonahan5909 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I have the CSL DD 8nm and it's not enough aligning torque for all situations in all games in all cars. Games that focus on front wheel understeer as feedback clip early with 8nm in mid or rear engine cars. It's a good base, but not quite enough. You can use power steering as a justification if you want, but there's just not enough headroom for all games to make the necessary contrast between traction loss and peak grip, so you end up having to sacrifice some of that detail to avoid clipping, it's not terrible by any stretch, but I'd aim for the R12 to be on the safe side. The reason why more torque is good isn't for a workout, it's because it means more holding torque can be sustained even when bumps and other peak torque details happen at the same time... more headroom gives you that.

  • @turbokid1830
    @turbokid1830 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What brand Steering wheel is Kame Trick using ?

  • @wizardflame6808
    @wizardflame6808 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Some times i just turn ffb off for an extrs challenge

  • @szilardmorar234
    @szilardmorar234 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i drift irl, and sim. i have a fana csl dd and i use it on 4Nm. In my opinion 4 is the best

  • @5ilverback_706
    @5ilverback_706 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What ffb gain in content manager or do you change that ingame?

  • @Zaldanar
    @Zaldanar 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can you also post your ingame ffb settings and the car was at 100% ?

  • @JimmyNuisance
    @JimmyNuisance 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I drift at like 2-3nm and that's plenty. Any more than that and I need to start gripping the wheel more tightly, which limits the effectiveness of force feedback. Very hard to stay relaxed with the torque above 4imo.
    In addition, the wheel in a drift car is NOT hard to turn. They're not yanking on that thing like an F1 driver, they're throwing it around like it's nothing.

    • @liquidsk8s
      @liquidsk8s 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      2-3Nm is not even remotely close to realistic though.

  • @aaron_a543
    @aaron_a543 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey! what monitors do you use?

  • @OneLegHD
    @OneLegHD 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I dont see myself ever replacing my r9, just as you said 😜

  • @Drunken_Hamster
    @Drunken_Hamster 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do they make wheels with at least 1080, if not 1440 degrees of rotation? Not sure I'd like such a low rotation given that most IRL cars I've driven are between the two numbers I gave. Especially once you consider that all of THOSE had normal steering angles of around 35-40 degrees as opposed to drift steering.

    • @KameTrick
      @KameTrick  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Several of the belt drive wheels can do 1080, and mechanically the DD's have no rotation limits, however I think some of that is software limited. Ideally you could set anything between 1 and 9999 degrees...but in order to unlock that, each wheel maker has to program an upper limit into their control software.
      So it may take some extra investigation, asking the sales teams and Reddit/Discord communities for the wheels about the current max rotation you can set in the software to narrow down which ones will give you the rotation you're looking for.

  • @Bruthex
    @Bruthex 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am using Moza R5 with 100% in Pit House but in the AC the Gain is on 60%. I don't like to fight with my wheel while drifting. What's the point to upgrade the base to, like R12? Everyone is set the Gain to 100% just I am the only weak sim(practice)drifter? :D

  • @lorenzocece3727
    @lorenzocece3727 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what do you think about the thrustmaster t128 with the stock wheel? (i know there is no clutch)

    • @tonttiboy
      @tonttiboy 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wont spin fast enough with the 2nm i would prefer atleast 4nm

  • @Acer1000
    @Acer1000 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I use moza r5 on ps5 console to play gt7. It’s awesome, it works great but I feel I’m ready for an upgrade. 12nm of torque might be my sweet spot. Thanks

    • @KameTrick
      @KameTrick  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Did you have to get some kind of an adapter for the PS5 to recognize the wheel? IIRC Moza doesn't market it as being compatible with console

    • @Acer1000
      @Acer1000 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@KameTrick yes. I had to use the rasu1ution 2 adapter. Cost $100 on eBay

  • @michaeltian
    @michaeltian 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just a question. If I have learned how to drift on a low Nm wheel will I be able to apply my understanding of drifting well on a higher Nm wheel or in a real car? I will say after watching this video, I'm attributing my uneven skill between car packs more to my setup than to my skill (as with many car packs such as DWG, BDC, and Tsujigiri Lights I'm able to drift through feeling out the pedals with FFB turned up well into clipping so that the wheel self centers a little better; I would say 85% of the drift work is done through my pedals at this point). I have a couple examples on my YT page of me interacting with my G920 (although a lot of POV footage are old and not representative of my current skill, I just posted a crappy little POV in shorts from a couple weeks ago).

    • @elsnowman123
      @elsnowman123 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      it'll take a little while to break the habit of throwing the wheel into the drift, but not too long. your drifting will improve a lot with a 5+nm base

    • @michaeltian
      @michaeltian 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@elsnowman123 yeah I do find myself having to throw the wheel a lot

    • @KameTrick
      @KameTrick  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Great question, and thanks for watching my video! :)
      I *do* think building skill with a low Nm wheel is still a net positive that will get you further along when you eventually switch up to a stronger sim wheel or a real car. It's a step I'd completely skip if someone had the money to do so, but if you're choosing between sim practice with a G920 and not practicing at all, the G920 is the better option. You may have a couple "less than optimal" tendencies to outgrow through practice over time after you upgrade, but I wouldn't be scared you'll put yourself into some kind of horrible driving habits as a result of your time with the G920.
      I think people develop a lot of extra techniques and inputs that aren't necessary when they either don't trust the car (which can happen due to low information/weak FFB) or try to drive at too high of a level without building foundational skills first. A lot of times, these are the same techniques that work great at high levels, but they may get overused when something even simpler, like better throttle control and timing, would have done the same thing. You can always find something new when you go back to the basics, even I do :)
      So long story short, your skills will generally transfer "up" to better products (gear to belt to DD wheels, or sim drifting to real drifting)...personally I find that the opposite is where you run into snags. For example, if you get used to an 8Nm DD wheel, going back to a G920 will feel horrible and you may find that even though you know you can technically "do it" you may never want to spend the time to re-acclimate to that setup once you've had a taste of something better. This is also why it's hard for IRL drifters to get a good sim experience, we lose *so much* "FFB" information when we go from a real car moving across the surface of the earth to a sim cockpit that's sitting still in our room, that even if you get a really solid wheelbase, it's still very foreign and your IRL skills don't transfer very well--not to mention what happens if they try a budget wheel.
      Cheers!

  • @ihanvaavp5383
    @ihanvaavp5383 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    #12:00 havend heard tykkimäki said that badly :D :D

  • @elitesennabubble
    @elitesennabubble 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Thrustmaster TMX is in a different league to the logitech wheel

  • @Rlaxox
    @Rlaxox 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    On a CSL DD boost kit I can't run more then 70-80% FFB it's just too much (I'm running on a Clubsport Classic Wheel rim).
    (Some examples on my videos on the channel)

    • @filipivan5125
      @filipivan5125 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So u paid for something u dont use. Why dont u return it ???

    • @Rlaxox
      @Rlaxox 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@filipivan5125 I use more ffb when grip racing though.
      Plus im happy with it, direct drive is better then gear or belt driven stuff and already within the ecosystem so no reason to buy setup anything else.

    • @Mr_jz_12
      @Mr_jz_12 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@filipivan5125 its better to have "to much' and turn it down, than to not have enough. The csl dd without the boost kit doesn't have enough.

  • @3xcelsi0r10
    @3xcelsi0r10 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    8-12nm it is. But the how do I set it up? 100% fanalab and 0% gain on AC or 50% Fanalab and 50% AC ?

    • @magnusr3428
      @magnusr3428 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Personally I think it's better to run at 100% on your wheel's software and then limit output in the game to try and avoid any clipping issues - if the game's output is maxed out the signal won't be as clean.

  • @user-fz6gj7sw2p
    @user-fz6gj7sw2p 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    if you never played with strong wheels its not that bad with the logitech G920 wich has a little bit over the 2NM of force, i think like 2,4 or something like that and if you boost it to 200 % gain it should double the force

  • @mattyb1624
    @mattyb1624 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My 8Nm DD is plenty, I often turn it down.

  • @94fiveohvert
    @94fiveohvert 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excited for this video, I'll have to check it out after work! First few minutes are really engaging. 5:05

  • @imnota
    @imnota 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really wonder what my modded G25 outputs for torque, because honestly I can turn it up to be stronger than any real life car I've driven that had power steering, and I doubt it makes more than 4Nm, so I'm confused with your findings.
    Either your fully setup drift cars have noticeably stiffer steering than the street cars or 50/50 duty cars I'm used to, or your perception of how strong it should be is skewed towards the higher end of what it is in real driving.
    Idk I feel in general lots of simracing people have an obsession with making the steering super heavy for more detail, even tho they're driving cars that IRL have quite overboosted powersteering. High torque only makes sense to me if you're driving full blown race cars that do not have power steering and have very heavy steering IRL.

  • @Darnell-cc8bx
    @Darnell-cc8bx 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yo do have any giveaways comping up

  • @RIP_BadluckS13
    @RIP_BadluckS13 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Btw moza or thrustmaster when ur new

  • @krestjanin_psycho
    @krestjanin_psycho 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Can you please also share your experience in regards o pedals: what is important for drifter and what is overkill?
    Thank you very much for your videos!