2017 Chevrolet Camaro 2LT 2.0L Review! - An Ecoboost Fighter
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For this in depth review, we hop in the 4 cylinder powered Camaro! The real question is, is it a better car than the Mustang ecoboost? I'm not so sure. Thanks for watching!
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Thing is, if you took the same Alpha platform, same drive train, but put a different body and didn't call it a Camaro people would absolutely love this thing for the price/weight/power/handling....but because it's in a Camaro, anything other than a V8 pretty much automatically gets looked at weird.
Michael Gross a really good idea
Yeah, the Camaro is in many ways the turbocharged 86 everyone seems to demand. A comparison between the 86 and the base Camaro would be really interesting.
Mgoblagulkablong it's nothing like the 86. this weighs almost 600lb more and still has a fairly large body
They already make the exact car you just described. The Cadillac ATS is on the same platform and has the same drivetrain.
Kinda the wrong price point for the target audience I was thinking about. The 4-cyl Turbo Camaro is a fraction of the cost of the ATS.
You know what I'm glad gm decided to make a 4 cylinder camaro. You no longer need huge engines to have fun and I think that this engine is especially good for someone who wants a fun daily driver thats good on gas; best of both worlds.
Also it's cheaper than the SS
I love my 2021. I have the 6 speed and it will git!
@@AP-wu1rv Really? I had no idea a 4 cyl is less monney than a V8
Well it probably is slightly more fuel efficient.
I always thought it was stupid that they put a 4 cylinder in the mustang. I felt like it didn't belong in a mustang and that Ford should just create a different RWD 4 cylinder sports car. Going into this video, I felt the same way about the Camaro, but after watching it... I don't know, I think I'm warming up to the idea of a 4 cylinder Camaro. I love the new look of the Camaros. I feel like the 5th gen was kinda bland and not particularly attractive but now they look great. So the idea of having a car that looks so good, isn't actually all that slow for a 4 cylinder, handles really well, weighs less than a V8 Camaro, and is extremely affordable is really appealing to me. I might actually consider getting a 4cyl Camaro some day.
My brother bought the EcoBoost Mustang back in 2015. At first I wasn't too keen on the 4cyl either, but after driving it I changed my mind on them. Its got a decent get up and go and is pretty good on gas mileage. I used to be a huge "V8 only muscle car" guy but now I realize to each their own.
Eric Cummings modern 4 cylinders when modded can keep up with v8 easy 4 cylinders with turbo are great and more fuel efficient then the v8 just a more economical package with great power.
@@Joshua-jk1pn I had a 2.0t Genesis Coupe with a Stage 1 tune and throttle booster...on twitsty roads higher horsepower v8s V6s got raped...hard. the 2.0t engine is great....gobs of torque in the low and mid range.
@@adelaideautowashes and the Camaro is the poor mans sports car
@@adelaideautowashes A brand new zl1 1le is probably less than 100k Canadian.
Considering there are swaths of million dollar+ sports cars and everything in between....he's not wrong.
For poor people a camaro is pretty nice though.
Wish I had a Camaro...😪
Funny that Honda guys have been made fun of for over a decade and now a turbo 4 banger is coming in the cars the guys were driving making fun of them.
that will shut the running mouths of the muscleboys.
bimmerman1 yeah but Honda's are fwd
Doesn't matter, I've had fast Hondas for years and no matter how many races I've won people talk smack.
My Si came with a larger engine than a Camero, something I never expected to be able to say, lol.
only non-carguys think Fwd makes no place in the list of fun-to-drive cars. Honda's make one of the best handling FWD cars among Ford with their Focus.
+DevasionX Amen to that. While FWD isn't my favorite, (rwd is) I still respect a well built fwd car
I didn't even know they made 4 cylinder camaro's for 2017
Tyler's Creator lol, they made 4 cylinder camaros back in then too.
Tyler's Creator Exactly. A lot of people either forget or simply don't know that the third generation Camaro came fitted with 4-cyl engines. They made less than 80 crank horsepower...
Tyler's Creator lmao FR
Probably for the carbon footprint numbers nearly every automotive company has to comply with.
Tyler's Creator started in 2016
The new Challenger is gonna have the 2 cylinder option coming up soon.
And, they're adding 500 extra pounds to the car. It'll be amazing!
Eslamizar I heard that they're gonna come out with the 0.5 cylinder option!!! I'm so excited
That heavy ass thing wouldn't be able to move, lol.
With a two liter turbo!
If you want a fast fuel efficient Dodge then get a Charger Hellcat, they get 24/25mpg somehow and V8 fun
What about the 4 cylinder corvette where's that at
Ricardo Quezada NO. NO NO NO. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. NO
NO.
where's the 3 cylinder version?
Ricardo Quezada oh you mean the hybrid version with a cvt??
Fuck cylinders, where's the rotary version
Ricardo Quezada please don't give gm anymore ideas
The seat moves down David😂
Yes omg.. I can't believe he didn't even try to
I’d get this Camaro with the I4 turbo. Throw a borla exhaust on it, remove the stock intake box for some turbo noise and its dang near perfect. Good on gas. Will handle like its on rails. Lighter nose is a significant attribute giving it better handling characteristics.
2.0t Camaro has potential, if you did your own modifications and upgraded part installs, it could be modified inexpensively...., the changes necessary would cost of about 2-5g's depending on mods, and how fast you want to go. Realistically it could make for a good performance street trim car modded out.
I'm 6'4 and have ample room. I was able to press the seat adjustment to make the seat sink closer to the floor.
The tech underneath the cars evolved a lot last 4 years, the chassis are on a whole new level now. The Camaro 1SS 1LE out handles the 991.2 C2S on the track and the Alfa Giulia QV performance comes most of their chassis improvements
Someone needs to swap one of these engines in a 240!
Someone gotta put a 2jz in it 🤔🤔🤔🤔
These things are quick, I rode in one and they aren't slow. Plus the 2.0t in the camaro is extremely tunable. People running these in 4 second 0-60 easily
How long does the engine last?
Bartonovich52 year max
Ben Saph I also test drove one and it's very quick and responsive. I actually liked it
Bartonovich52 200k miles my buddy daily’s one with 195k and replaced the transmission 1 time already
6 banger sounds better and smokes it
Seems like everything will eventually become 4 cylinder engines, but will they be more fuel efficient? I mean look at the Evo X
MinhDoesCars I think the Evo X might be a bad example since that got discontinued back in 2013. But yeah everything is becoming smaller displacement turbocharged engines. But I think there will still be V8s, they might just become very small like 3.6, 3.8 etc with a twin turbocharged setup etc.
yeah completely agree, shows how far the car industry has come over the last 4 years. On the other hand, I do hope that they keep going with larger N/A engines. Really can't have a replacement for them
They are more efficient if they are direct injection with a turbo. My Audi 2.0T was amazing. More than enough torque and power and I averaged 32 mpg mixed driving. But it did sound like a small diesel or steam engine chuffing away at idle...
Dont't complain about 4-cylinders, in europe there already is a 3-cylinder BMW 3-series...
MinhDoesCars Poor evo doesn't exist anymore..
I just raced one of these in my corolla and was so confused when the camaro flew past me and all I heard was turbo spool, I expected it to be NA the turbo was a pleasant surprise. Still doesn’t compare to a v8 tho, they are deafening.
Fuck the camaro let's get Orion back the Lexus 😁
JDM Ju5 lets send the swat team to dan's meth lab
Nick Travis lol he still has it I bet he's gonna put it out of commission and bring it back out later in the channel as the og genesis.
Masson 218 😆he looks like he eats it dude
Nick Rodriguez camaro's are better than the Lexus GS 300? 🤔I guess if you like domestics more you'd say that but the tuner in me has to say I'd pick the Lex.
JDM Ju5 Nobody cares about your biased opinion
Slam the 4 banger and daily it
Thanks again for reviewing my car!
TheTaterxTot Nice car
I got so confused when i saw your profile picture lol
ZZ performance makes aftermarket for the LTG. Also if you have a Facebook join the LTG project.
David, regarding visibility, most owners were asked the question if they should improve on that but most of them said no. It's unique and they got used to it. In fact they actually prefer it over most other cars. It has that cockpit-feel to it which can take a week to get used to
I had one of these for about 2 years it was a 2.0 RS. It handled great and it had plenty of power
If You mod one of these 4 banger camaros that is where the fun begins. I have one and did some mods, Loud and quick. Have a K&N Cold air intake, Larger Throttle body, a tune and a muffler delete. Despite what most think, exhaust on these cars sounds really good as long as you don’t straight pipe it. you can easily get 400hp with some elbow grease on these cars. ZZ performance has some goodies for these cars if y’all are looking for parts.
Me too. 17 ILS turbo, ZZP catted downpipe,, Flowtech muffler delete, ZZP larger throttle body, JMS Pedalmax throttle controller, Turbo Smart Wastegate, GFB diverter valve, Rev 9 intercooler, RS Racechip and a drop in K N filter...pulls like a modern V8.
Read somewhere that this car performs the same at 0-60 as a 1970's Chevelle 454 SS (7.2L V8 with 390BHP) minus the bathtub of fuel needed to get there. That's not too shabby for a little 4 cylinder engine!
In the near future I think we can expect regenerative braking and a electric turbo to assist the regular turbo, fully eliminating the turbo lag...
Current super-cars are already doing it so it's a matter of time.
Compound turbos make so much more sense for the average commuter car if you wanted a way to "eliminate turbo lag" or simply do what literally every manufacturer already does and just use a smaller turbo that the 4 cylinder can efficiently spool 😂
so many people bashing this car but statistically a majority of you can't even afford to buy one.
Anyone can afford to buy one, doofus. These cars don’t advertise wealth. They advertise debt.
Lmao camaros are cheap asf. Usually the college students gdt camaros
Lmao most cars out there are in the 30k range anyway...
No one looks at a v6 camaro/mustang or I4 camaro/ mustang and goes.... ooohh that person must have money!! Mmmm no !
People don't realize that the government each year puts a set regulation on manufacturers that all there vehicles they offer combined and averaged out must make x mpg. That's why they dropped the v6 in the Camaro and mustang. They don't want to get rid of the v8 for obvious reasons and they needed to gain some mpgs somewhere so, turbo 4 cylinder it is
Joshua Plantan and I can attest to the increased mpgs. Very good for the thick body like this
can you try and review a Ford GT40...I know it's a big ask but I reckon that would be sick
Matthew nguyen TF you talkin about
matthew nguyen What?
Tim Kramer if your talking about the 60's LeMans racecar, I think David would be hard pressed to find one...
i saw one today! there was a supercar meetup in my area! that car is sickk
Andreas Mertz a gt or a gt40? Gt40s are race cars, few were produced street legal
Four cylinder engines were offered in the camaro, since 1967. Not a new idea but if your looking for gas milage.
Paul Arrowsmith ; 3rd gen camaros 1980s had a 4cy.. i bought one for $1 to use the body parts on an old z28 i had that got jacked up
Actually I had a 69' Camaro with a 350sb and a turbo350 Trans. I also had a 91' Camaro with a 305sb and a T56 Trans. Both were fun but expensive. I was a youngster with very little money, so I sold them. No regrets.
It's definitely a car I've had my eye on, looking to go drive a 6 speed version to get the full effect. Thoughts to follow. I think this car may be purposely dogged from the factory to keep it well below the V8. Simple bolt on's may very well wake it up to its real intended potential. You're right though, not really sure how it would sound with a full intake/exhaust setup (catless downpipe included). Also keep in mind GM buys a lot of their brake systems from various brake manufacturers.
As for the exhaust question (3:30-ish): No. just no. Do NOT "fart can" a Camaro! Best to leave it with the smooth Cadillac quiet sounding factory exhaust imo. If you want proper Camaro sounding exhaust (that powerful, ground-shaking low rumble) you'll have to swap a big V8 in it or it's going to sound like some high school kid's beat up Honda. That kind of lawnmower-like sound coming from a Camaro would be just plain wrong (like a Harley-Davidson sounding like a dirt bike) if you ask me. For some things there really is no replacement for displacement. Exhaust sound is one of those things.
DO AN EXHAUST ON IT YOU WILL LOVE IT. I got one at work with an exhaust and it sounds sooooo good.
What kind of exhaust you have done to it?
3 things;
1. It is not the same transmission as the C7, it is related though I believe
2. The seat goes up and down, if you are less than 6'3" you will fit.
3. It is closer to 200lbs lighter than the V6, it is almost 400lbs lighter than the V8
Visibility issues was the biggest issue why I didn't get a gen 5 and got a GT Mustang instead. I got in and I couldn't see anything. You can "get used to it" but how do you see what color the light is when you're first at an intersection?
It’s that bad I sold mine
Driven one of these. Coming from my 1964 Fairlane with a supercharged 289, to this, I was pleasantly surprised by how much power it actually had. And the eight speed is pretty great, but, I really want a full manual with one of these, muscle and pony cars really need manuals, it's sort of part of the charm and personality for me.
I want to see when these start getting wrecked, and people start putting these engines in their Miatas, I've seen much bigger engines crammed in them before, and this would hit that amazing sweet spot for such a light car.
can you get these in a manual at least?
Teh RedSpade yes thats what i have
.Charlay cool. I know GMs auto sucks for people that are use to dct
.Charlay nice how you liking it? im sure it pulls much nicer.
Edward the manual is a totally different animal I love it
.Charlay thats good to hear, some people don't realize stick shift makes a car 10x better 😂
The seat lowers. My head is nowhere near roof. I am 6"3" and have a 2017 RS.
At least it's not an Iron Duke :v
tomoya97 lol it would be hilarious if it had an iron duke!!
tomoya97 I have a truck with the iron duke in it, and it performs pretty well
Guy I knew had a Firebird with the Iron Duke and while it was not a rocket, it wasn't a complete slug. Mat the throttle and it'd (surprisingly) get out of it's own way.
there was a super duty iron duke in the Fiero which made 272 hp to 330hp all motor, SD4 2.7L / 3.2L not to bad if you ask me.
Nothing like a big displacement pushrod four banger huffing maybe 110 hp.
I have a 2016 camaro stick shift, I am 6feet 2... Adjust the seats... I got a tune and now it makes 310 hp and 335 torque... Handles well... I love it
*@Matt A* Buick GNX? In it's hay day, it spanked the asses of any V8 in its sights. Even the Corvette and Camaro. And it's regarded as a muscle car with a turbocharged V6. Plus. Camaros aren't really "muscle cars" anymore. (although they never where muscle cars.) Camaro is a sports car now.
kind of a stupid question but why do people call 4 cylinder cars as "4 bangers"?
It's a term used in old school days that meant my 4 cylinder engine is tune for redlining rpm's and racing. Or to indicate that this 4 cyl, is no slouching stock 4 cyl eng.
He was trying so hard no to talk bad about the maro lol
I test drove one of these 2.0 turbo camaros today.(was convinced to since there was no ss models curently in stock at the local dealer) Drove like a typical base model v6 I personally found but a v8 is still the way to go for a camaro type of a vehicle
Smaller displacements and turbos will wear out faster...Better to have the larger naturally aspired V-8.
GM says the 2.0L Camaro competes with V6 Mustang and the Ecoboost Mustang competes with V6 Camaro,but since the V6 Mustang is going away for 2018 I guess the Ecoboost will compete against the 2.0L and V6 Camaro
What's up with all these American 4 cylinder turbo engines like people were always against imports for having them but my question is are they going to last ?
Nope , they will not last if ya drive em, 3 GAS TANKS .
MIKE BRESLIN Thats not true. They will last just as well as any other GM motor.
Alex Villalobos my friends 2015 ecoboost mustang hit 120k miles with very few problems. I'd say that's good for me
Me and my wife had a 2011 V6 Camaro 2lt and it was fun. Even without 2 more cylinders it was still decently quick and a joy around corners. It sucks way less gas than the V8 and was cheaper to insure. I did hate the boat load of blind spots and the fact that the back seats where a joke but all in all I kind of miss it.
"You can make more horsepower with smaller displacement and turbos....."
Ummmm.... how about a v8 that's boosted??? Easily more power....
its about emission laws and fuel economy.
DevasionX ok.... and
declaratedvet 4 banger will be more efficiënt than a na v8, at things like this the manufacture wanted the same model with same power to be more fuel efficiënt. not just "more powerfull" thanks to the turbochargers u get the same power as an v8 vehicle had but with the economy
DevasionX a v8 will always make more power than a 4 cyl now if you want economy sure get a 4 cyl, its funny how these eco boost guys brag about beating stock v8s with their modified 4 cyl turbo lol drop a turbo or some nitrous on that v8 and then try beating it
emission laws will force even the biggest performance cannons to step down, the m3 and m5 was once v8 and v10, now both are down to turbo v8 and l6. in fact my country will ban the sales of gasoline and diesel powered cars by 2025
a 4 cylinder does sound pretty good. in person however. I did a straight pipe on my nissan altima 2.5 I took off the mufflers about 3 weeks ago, and today I took off the resonator. and it has altima deep rumble but nothing like altima lawn mower. now that's a Japanese engine I'm not sure how an american 4 cylinder would sound. (this is if he just plans to take off all noise restrictions in the car. I'm not sure how a FULL performance system would sound however)
who in their right mind would by a muscle car without a v8... call me old fashion but i want a dog feeling muscle car. back to the basics.
Matt A dodge stays true to its roots
agreed.
Matt A well camaros are now considered sport cars.,, they're shit
Matt A A camaro is not a muscle car it never was and never will be. From day one they were put in the pony car class, aka sports car.
Speaking as somebody who has a V8...lots of people don't want the V8. Buddy of mine got the ecoboost in auto. I got the V8 in stick. But mine is not my daily driver (I have an economy car for that) , whereas he takes his to work year round. So it makes sense. Plus his has 300 horsepower!
well since I really really don't like the sound of v8s and much prefer the sound of 4/5/6 cylinder engines I'm actually really stoked about these new smaller engine muscle cars because now there's a car that has that nice macho American muscle design if you're into it with (what I think is) an actual good sounding motor and not being completely underpowered too
Rippy - how does one not like the sound of v8's? Too much soy in your diet?
In Europe, those 4cyl muscle cars have been very popular so far. Taxes on a big engine are huge and fuel is 3 times more expensive on average. So from a business standpoint, the 4cyl make a lot of sense on the international market! (BUT THEY SOUND LIKE SHIIIIIIT :'( )
The Euro Car Show dollar for dollar, American make faster cars.
Honestly, if I was a Chevy fanboy in the market for a light sporty car for ripping up back roads, (and if I could fit in it) I'd probably get this car. But with all else being equal and the better looks and less blind-spots of the mustang makes it the more desirable of the two for me. Dodge doesn't really have a horse in the whole pony-car scene right now, hence the lack of mention. The Chevy turbo 4cyl is a very stout and promising engine though. I'd love to see the lag reduced in later renditions and I think someone would be wise to stuff that drivetrain into a lighter car like a locost.
Couple things you should know:
1) When it tells you that you are in "Performance Mode" when you're already in Sport, that's actually telling you that the transmission is in Performance Shift Mode, which is very different. It means that while you're driving hard, it'll change its shift calibrations to be faster and hold out gears longer.
2) While the redline reads 7000 RPM, don't go that high with this engine. Power begins to fall after 6000 RPM, ideal shift point is 6200 RPM.
3) The transmission is NOT the same as the Corvette's, unless you have the SS in automatic. The LT models with the 2.0T or the V6 have the 8L45, the little brother to the 8L90 that's paired to the LT1.
4) The LT models are a LOT lighter than the 200 lbs you said. It's actually a 300 lb difference between the SS and the V6, and 400 lbs between the SS and the 2.0T.
5) This engine definitely benefits from an exhaust system; it's so quiet stock that it's boring, it sounds much better with even a cheap muffler delete.
6) I have one with a manual. Would you want to try this engine with the manual, and see the difference?
And another thing: The manual transmission cars have a mechanical limited slip diff, while the automatics have an open diff.
Is the engine a Lsj ? The cobalts have a 2.0L supercharged/turbo Lsj. I say just might as well just a balt rather then a 4 cylinder Camaro
"Manual mode" 🙄
“🙄” 🙄
Is it killing you?
Imagine being in the hospital because you’re dying and the doctors are trying to find the cause of it, and they find out it’s because an automatic Camaro has a manual mode lol.
I’m sure they’d pull the plug :)
Put the transmission in sport mode and leave it. Nail the throttle and the active shift mode comes on. There's virtually no lag. My car breaks traction in 1st & 2nd gear.
Little do you know, all you have to do is lower the seat and it goes back further. My ZL1 fits me at 5'10" fine, my boy is 6'5" and he fits fine as well.
Sat in a Camaro 6 at the Vancouver car show and at 6'3" I couldn't even hold my head straight.
I'm 6'1 and didn't have this problem?
I have this car. Did a muffler delete, catless DP, cold air intake, and throttle control and it just sounds, and pulls amazing
let's see what a tuned one will do?
David James there's a tuned 2.0 already in the 11s with just bolt ons and a tune
Plus drag radials, limited slip diff, and E85.
The manual comes with a limited slip. I have a tune as well as full bolt ons it's a night and day difference that's for sure. It's a fun car.
The ATS and 6th gen Camaro are both on the Alpha platform. They didn't put the motor from the ATS into the Camaro, both cars are on the same chassis/motor/drivetrain. Also you probably didn't have the seat all the way down, I'm 6'3" and I fit fine in the 6th gen.
Here before WWIII
pistons, rods, valvetrain, ported head and intake manifold, precision 6061, elite 2500t, 30 psi, e85, 600hp
yes please
#BRINGBACKTHECHEVELLE
I'm 6'3 and I can drive it comfortably. Obviously you have to get used to the visibility but you adapt. Past my height though I don't know
4.. 5.. 6.. 8.. 10.. 12.. 16.. Cylinders.. 4cylinder can make 1000hp+ just saying. Muscle is Muscle, get over it!
Boosted camaro 4cyl makes 275 hp, a boosted 5.7 hemi makes a conservative 550hp, 390hp N/A. How are turboed 4 cyl making more power?
The 2.0T competes with the V6 Mustang. While the V6 Camaro competes with the Ecoboost, as their non-V8 performance engine.
The 2.0t competes with 2.3 ecoboost and the 3.6 competes with the 3.7. You have got to be one dumb cookie…
Do people not realize the seats go up and down in this car? I'm 6'7" tall and I fit reasonably fine, and with a helmet! I brought my helmet with me to the dealership just to be certain. GM intentionally made the seats so that they could go extra low, and added the bubble roof, just to accommodate taller drivers with a helmet. In fact, the Camaro is one of the only sports cars I fit it, which is one of the reasons I now have a 1SS 1LE on order. Of course, I never would have bought one if it wasn't also the best all around sports cars for the price right now. Something I never thought I'd be saying about a Camaro!
Let's get one thing straight, this will never live up to the nostalgia of a V8 pony car
Venture Rides at all.
If they called it a different name it would sell better
put an exhaust on it! Turbos sound good when its done right. I think the fact its a camaro kinda puts people off but if it was labeled as something else i bet it would be fine.
I know they have good power but having a 4 cylinder Camaro or Mustang just seems wrong. v6 is where I draw the line.
To the people complaining how this is not a muscle car anymore - *it never was a muscle car unless its the V8 and up trims* *Muscle cars was always about the idea of big motors sending power to the rear wheels to rip it from the line with that unique boaty design.* Also - the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger's V6 platforms were utter trash. They never produced enough HP/TQ and they were getting smashed by Japanese and German rivals, on the straight and the curves.
What's happening how is, times are changing, yes, but the American car companies are also finally realizing their I4 Turbos are outselling and outperforming their V6. This is not because of the demand for I4 turbos, its due to American car companies making awful V6s. If they made a solid V6 engine that produced significant HP/TQ and its reliable, then their V6 would not be on the chopping block. In general, V6 engines are smoother and more reliable than a turbo'd engine.
It comes full circle, really. Back in the day, people that loved American cars made fun of Japanese cars for being a 4-banger turbo. Now the American car companies are finally starting to do it, which in my opinion, should have been done along time ago. This makes the set up perfect for both tuners and muscle drivers alike. IE: Tuners will buy the I4 Turbo Mustang. Muscle people will buy the V8. Everyone wins.
Side point: a lot of car companies are doing I4 turbos now because its easier to make HP, TQ, and get good fuel efficiency.
You make no sense, the cyclone engine is great
As much as a Chevy fan i grown up as, the Camaro loses my vote on styling from the rear. I find the back end hideous and would rather take a Corvette or a 5th gen Camaro anytime of the day
Brake boost it to make up for the lag if the car will allow brake boosting. I've been in some cars that don't. When you hit the breaks it nerfs the power when hitting the gas pedal and you can't build any boost.
i can deal with the mustang having the 4 cylinder. the new body design suits it. the camaro on the other hand needs a v8
I'm 6'2, I drive a 2013 mustang and fit more than fine, I folded myself into the new camaro a few weeks ago and hated it.
1/2 the engine is missing
This thing has a major turbo lag problem. I was getting my 2017 ZL1 Camaro serviced and they gave me this turbo Camaro as a loaner and the car feels like your in too high a gear from a dig, but it's just the lag. When the power comes on it's strong. Was glad to get back in my car with 400 more horsepower.
I bet my Fiesta ST would walk this Camaro lol..
Trev_ST oh is it stage 4🌚
They say that next Corvette engine will be twin four.8 cylinders therefore but you can turn off other engine when not needed for fuel efficiency(not just cylinder deactivation what they did with current one). Can couple two engines together in many ways like with hydraulic lock clutch gear like with automatic transmission. I think V6 is the engine for enthusiast drivers Camaro. Less weight -> Less understeer -> Better cornering -> more sports car approach to performance over brute force.
I absolutely hate the visibility of these cars.
What did u mean
@@MIKE07S the cabin is cramped and the windows are tiny inside. It's hard to see what's behind you
That interior does look pretty nice. I do get claustrophobic in these things though. Not being able to rest my elbow on the window sill is also a deal breaker for me. lol
"Dur only mUcSle cArs NeEEd V8s"! This is why the world laughs at Americans mentalities
So to start off, I'm more of a purist muscle car guy, I like my v8. But I do thing both ford and Chevy need some sort of exhaust on their 4 bangers. Not the crazy loud ones, but just a little louder muffler to shape the noise some.
what's the intro song name anyone?
6’4 and 400 pounds. Think football lineman.
I fit in it fine.
Every car is small for me.
I bought it for a work car with a 130 mile daily round trip.
Just don't get it... if you buy a muscle car... you buy a muscle car because it's a muscle car... for the whole visceral experience.. the sound.. the torque... the power... not this airy, fairy, shit...
Josh Chittenden if you want a muscle car, then you need to go back to the 60's. nothing now days is a muscle car.
Zane Erickson people still consider the challenger a muscle car
Josh Chittenden to bad its a pony car kiddo
Josh Chittenden they've never been real muscle cars. You could bitch and moan about what engines go in what, but if General Motors/ Ford did it, they did it for a reason. Get with the times my dude
this is just an affordable coupe like an accord ir civic coupe. if you start looking at that way, youll understand and appreciate them more
Wow. I seriously live in an age where we did this. No hate, but I'm astonished.
THOU SHALL NOT PUT A FOUR CYLINDER IN A MUSCLE CAR!
good thing its not a muscle car, it's a pony car, just like the mustang.
there are people who like the camaro for its look and style interior and exterior, and could care less about v4 or v8, this is not a difficult concept
amen brotha
Except the Mustang SVO and the Quad 4 engine which were pushing the envelope of power to weight and power to displacement back in the day.
Brian Carey dont ever say v4
the reason it's shifting early is it's not going past peak power surely? it will be a bit breathless up top
True muscle cars have at least 8 cylinders!..
and is over 350 cu in
...I don't know, ..my 2014 Coyote is only 302 cu in and the new Dodge 392 can't pull away from me,... nor i him.
Rea Ality hell I got a '11 392 Challenger w 6spd manual race a '16 auto 5.0 at times we would be door to door.
DantEightSix Hemi 345 doesn't count? K then.
And a brand new minivan can destroy the majority of the older ones in the 1/4 mile.
Have the 2.0 in my 2019 equinox awd premier and love it. For a 4 banger, it has balls!
4 cylinder and auto.. And not a good sounding one, even for a 4 banger.
Even as a non-american, I don't understand why you'd get a 4 cylinder muscle car.
Your gas is so cheap, why is there even a market for this in the US?
A market called poser broke teenagers.
I guess cars are cheaper in the US, but i'm in my mid-20's and I couldn't afford one of these.
I guess there are lots of markets for posers who want to associate with a certain thing/image, but don't care if the thing is an actual representation.
I get similar mileage to the SS camaro out of a 2002 4.6l. It only costs me about 30/week for gas. If I got the 22mpg city of this 4 cylinder camaro, I would save a whopping 6 bucks a week for a MUCH less fun car. If I couldn't afford the V8, I'd either keep saving or buy used. The only way this makes sense is if you live in an area with astronomical gas prices, or you have a VERY long commute, or in some foreign countries they rape you with insurance costs if you have a V8.
I don't understand why this even exists either as Chevy could have easily done better as they have the 4.3l LV3 V6 from the truck line that already makes more power with no turbo.
Since the LV3 is an LS family engine all the same modes for the LS family V8s will work.
The 4.6l is a mustang engine. 2002 Camaro SS is a 5.7l ls engine.
I read an article that stated that chevy did a poll on the visibility and most said it was fine and to leave it the way it is.
people need to understand its not all about the big bad v8, bigger engine=heavier. people say its not a muscle car cuz it don't have a v8. i have a mustang eco and i don't consider it a muscle car because its a sports car. my eco beats the moddern v8s out there today just with some bolt ons and a tune, heck even makes more power than your big bad v8s. people need to understand times are changing
evin salido lol lets race, see if its true
yeah whenever, u got forza horizon😀
yeah whenever, u got forza horizon😀
You gotta understand how limited V8s are from the factory. Because they have to meet emissions and stuff. That's why once you start to mod and push some boost through them, you get crazy cars making absolutely huge power numbers that 4 cyls can't without forging just about everything.
It's not that a V8 is better, all engines have their pros and cons, it's that it's a characteristic of a muscle car. If I want a kick ass 4 banger I'd get a Golf GTI or an old Lancia Delta, I'd want a V8 in a muscle car.
Mustangs are more sporty and actually handle well, as opposed to being just a straight line performer. Also, the EcoBoost V6 is in the Ford GT, so it's proven. The Mustang SVO from the 80s had a 4 cylinder so there's history with smaller engines. It just seems out of place in a Camaro idk.
zzp performance has an 11.96 in a 2.0t camaro on the strip with around 2000$ worth of upgrades. Not bad for a new 24-25k$ car. It's on their channel.
Americans are catching up finally. Germans have 2.0T direct injection engines for 15 years already. lol Great engines. Power that Camaro makes and torque is just enough to have a lot of fun for daily driver. Americans need to learn that they dont need V8 for daily driver.
Lukas L33 he said it himself, the car is pretty cramped. idk about you but I'd rather have a comfortable daily
Catching up? The only reason this camaro has a 4 cylinder option is marketing. Our V8's are vastly superior to yours, namely reliability and volumetric efficeincy. This car needs either the V8, or the V6 (a very under appreciated engine.) If you're going to buy a 4 cylinder camaro, you're doing it to look cool.
Skylar Garrett Damn americans and their LOOK I HAVE A BIG DICK V8.
Budget and no harassment.
Lukas L33 I agree, you don't need a V8 to go fast and Americans fail to understand that.
I have a 2017 V6 camaro with dual exhaust. I chose the V6 over the 4/turbo Because of lag, the fact that the v6 has more raw hp, and the v6 sound with my dual exhaust just sounds better than the turbo. The turbo is something that your gonna hear occasionally but not often. A V6 will be heard easily. BUT the v4 turbo has "better mpg" but your expected to use premium gas which overall makes it cost more than the v6. But it all comes down to personal preference. Just stating my point of view
might as well get a civic, they also have a 2.0l turbo engine and it probably weighs less than that hunk of junk
@2:14 my friend owns a 2017 and he’s 6’4 300lbs and said he fits comfortably in the car. I’m 6’2 260lbs and tried out the 2019 Camaro and had no issues. Not sure if there is any difference between 2017 and 2019.