I think if Jamie fought the mountain to reclaim his honor and is stripped of his kings guard status that might appease Ned and idk why Jamie didn’t tell him which was stupid
Honestly though as King, Ned would be too busy *“swinging the sword”* on every execution in Kings Landing, bro would be absent from court 80% of time just lopping off heads. *”The King Who Makes Em Roll”*
Which is why he makes Stanis master of Laws Ned, Hey Stanis I see you've been cutting peoples hands off Stanis, oh yes this vial monster stole a hole loaf of bread to feed is malnourished family
@@SSJ2DNbut this is Ned The Bloody we’re talking about, man loves his executions, he loves making his kids watch them, he’d find a way to ramp them up.
I think really the smartest move with the Lannisters is to sentence the Mountain to death, who will immediately demand trial by combat. Ned can't really deny him, but he can choose Jaime as his champion and let him know that if he wins this thing, he will absolve himself of the charges of kingslaying at the same time. Tywin will be immediately on board with this. Even though this means he's still losing, he will think Ned was decent enough to provide him an off-ramp that lets him salvage the situation by keeping his heir AND getting him dismissed from the Kingsguard. You gain some, you lose some. Even if Jaime wasn't a master at swordfighting who could take on the Mountain, Tywin would still ensure he's the one who wins that trial by combat. On the night before the duel, he's going to sit Gregor down, tell him he has to do what he has to do and there are going to be no hard feelings, and let's drink to the inevitable victor while quietly slipping something in Clegane's wine that gives him a brutal hangover the morning of the fight. Jaime is cleared of the charges under the laws of gods and men, and Ned can live with the outcome. After that, even though Master of Coin is a downgrade for Tywin and he lost his most powerful terror weapon, he knows he can turn this around. He has his favoured son to succeed him once more, he can get Sandor to take over as the head of House Clegane to put on a (relatively) friendlier face, and he's still on the inside in King's Landing. If he can arrange some kind of marriage with the Starks, Arryns or Targaeryans, he's still on track to make his House greater than when he took over from his daddy. He's too pragmatic to just throw a hissy fit, especially once that stinker Balon proves to Westeros why it's better to remain united and at peace with the new regime.
Possible Marriages: Jaime - Sansa to secure the connection to tywin Cersei - Loras to split up jaime and cersei Dani - Rob to secure vis III never going against the starks Vis III - margery to ensure the tyrells staying loyal to the crown Not sure though who would be suited for Robert…
@@lassekunst1804 I think the only way Ned would agree to be king is if Robert never recovered from his wounds and died in the Battle of the Trident and I think Tywin would push for a marriage between Vis III and Cersei (I think they are only 10 years apart), this would allow Ned to have a better relationship with Tywin (he is the only one who could rebel against him in the future)
so are we gonna ignore the closeness of benjen and lyanna? like he knew how she felt about the prince and teased her about it and she poured wine on him. benjen also helped her find armor for becoming the mystery knight to avenge howland. he knew where she went and who johns real father is. i always thought when ned took john back and she told him everything that he knew benjen knew and so sent him to the wall to repent
Its very simple. Ned sheds 120lbs of water weight, by selling Catlin to Littlefinger, marries teen Dany (acts like he doesn't want to), and we get Dragonrider Ned.
I could see Ned naming himself regent, because he doesn't ACTUALLY want to be king, taking Jon and legitimizing him and raising him at court himself to finally give the realm an honorable king that is allied with the north.
@@OurHiltsHurt Giving an absolute beotch the absolute power to bend all 7 kingdoms managers to her will would make everyone's life a living hell. Daily peggings for anyone that even looks at her the wrong way
Cat could be the Hurrem Sultan of the Seven Kingdoms and still be likeable. Slightly better than Cersei, though imagine Lysa ruling the Seven Kingdoms.
Tbh, Cat has a tendency to let her weaknesses take over her entire plot 90% of the way to completion. She'll know what her objectives are, set up her actions very well, and then something happens involving her family or something. Suddenly, she's got blinders on and makes some of the wackiest calls.
The notion that Ned would be a Targaryen restorationist is ridiculous. They killed his family. He would probably not look to exterminate them but he would maybe let them keep dragonstone. Robert is going to essos to work as a sellsword as he always wanted. Renly is married to cerci, which is a winwin because she can fuck who she wants and he wont mind. Stannis is master of ships, Jon arryn is HOTK, Doran or Oberyn is master of laws. Jamie is booted from the kingsguard which actually appeases tywin. Tywin is master of coin because hes good at it. Varys is master of whispers because hes good at it. Ned is almost certainly establishing a Stark dynasty because no way in hell hes handing it back to the targaryens and what other option is there.
One way or another,Tywin's getting Jaime back. Ned can think whatever he likes,but he has enough sense to take Lorch and the Mountain's heads in exchange for relieving Jaime of his vows. That would also appease the Martells somewhat if he sent them their heads,or even better if he could get them to Oberyn alive. Also I would like to think that Jaime would tell him about the wildfire in this case,as Ned will literally be in charge of King's Landing for the forseeable future and I think that would defo convince him that Jaime did the right thing. It's a win win for both parties,especially if Tywin gets to be master of coin AND he finally gets his golden heir back. It would do a lot to alleviate the fact that Cersei won't be marrying into the royal family. Also I feel like there should be a way for him to conclude that the Kingsguard would never guard a bastard which defo might lead him on a trail to find the documents at the citadel. Ain't no point in replacing Aerys with Viserys.
Ok hear me out, Brendan and Robert are both chads, Stannis and Ned are both honorable, does that mean that benjen Stark is indulging himself with homosexual activities in the Wall?
I have never watched GOT, my buddy tried to get me into it by putting the battle of the bastards on, y’all’s commentary for some reason gets me into it.
I don’t think Ned would declare himself king But, if Ned witnessed what Gregor and Amory Lorch did at Tywin’s command, and saw how Robert Baratheon reacted positively to the deaths of Elia, Aegon and uhh I forget the daughters name. Then I could see Ned going to the tower of joy, realizing Robert is gonna kill baby Jon. Maybe Lyanna is already dead so never drops the “promise me” and Author Dayne explains the situation to ned. So maybe instead of a battle, we get Ned and Author (plus the other kings guard) teaming up to put Viserys on the throne and Ned acts as regent and cares for Viserys, Dany, and Jon aka Aemon. THAT would be badass. I think Viserys was a bad coin flip but if anyone can raise a dragon prince to be honorable it’s Ned. Id be curious to see what Viserys is like, still crazy but maybe a bit less arrogant and rapey.
Side note, since Dorne would almost certainly take up arms for Viserys, I could see the reach also marrying into the Targs, and Jon Arryn and Huster Tully id imagine side with Ned. The pact of Ice and Scorpions plot would be sick lol
If Ned is King I don't think Viserys & Dany go to Essos. Ned wouldn't want Blackfyre rebellions 2.0 coming down the line. I don't know who he'd have ward them &/or marry them off to. Maybe Dany & Robb Stark are betrothed? Robb would be his heir & it would keep Targaryen blood on the throne to deter uprisings. Trying to think like Ned is hard sometimes.
That thumbnail is nasty work. Anyways, here's my theory: Ned arrives in kings landing and immedietly arrests Jaimie in the throne room. A fight between Stark and Lannister forces breaks out. So Ned Stark stays in Kings landing to secure it for the rebels. Robert recovers and decides to go get his betrothed at the tower of joy. He uncovers the truth about Rhaegar and Lyanna, kills Arthur Dayne in a wild rage. He takes Dawn and disappears over the narrow sea. He spends years fighting for sellsword companies and in fighting pits, mad with grief and regret. Ned Stark stays in Kings Landing and assumes power. Roberts men bring back the truth and Aegon Targaryen. Eddard stays king regent until Aegon is of age. The greyjoy rebellion happens again of course, this time with Lannister and Dornish support (the dornish would just be pissed that their still alive Targaryen heir was passed over). Robert comes back and dies in a mad blaze of glory to help his beloveds Targaryen Son.
@@charlottewalnut3118yeah my theory sucks ass for the fact alone that Robert would never wield a wimpy sword instead of a chadly warhammer. I just want to imagine robert going crazy in the fighting pits. He realizes that Lyanna never wanted the royal hammer and therefore dedicates his life not to politics and marriage, but to smashing scrubs like whack-a-mole wherever there are scrubs to smash. Leaving Eddard to deal with the seven kingdoms, inheritances and all that. Very in charachter if you ask me.
Robert Baratheon is injured after the Battle of the Trident. The easiest way (and probably the only way) to see Ned taking up the mantel of King is if Robert’s injuries develop gangrene or something and dies from his injuries. Leaving the rebellion leaderless. Ned would be the only replacement that would allow the Rebellion to continue as strong as it did. That’s why Robert made Ned lead the rest of the Rebellion while he rested and healed from his injuries after the battle of the Trident
If you kill the mountain, then he takes punishment. Also if Tywin denies all involvement I think Ned would be forced to accept it for the kingdom. Tywin could serve as hand if Ned put his bias aside for the betterment of the kingdom. I well I think so anyway
Stormlands - we get hammered with storms all the time, all our houses have to be wind resistant to 145 mph. Hunters ✅ Warriors ✅ Rebels ✅ Baratheons decide Targ Kings (Dance of Dragons/Bush) We both suck at reading.
I think viserys and margery as a marriage makes more sense since the reach is a large kingodm and has the largerst food stores and thats needed after a large war, daenerys would more than likely marry robb, since at this point sansa wouldnt be born so links his line to the throne and appeases the other realm. Once ned leaves kings landing, tywin would take the healm and viserys ans margerys kids would marry into lannister. Oh and robert would more than likely become a sellsword, he did mention that was a desire both in books and show
OH, so Ben and Cersei would be interest. He would be loyal to her, treat he kindly and likely grow to love her. and she might not become so evil she have strong less crazy kids and a father that loves them and all stark children will be grow up together ( including lion/wolf clubs). Cersei might even be extremely protective of Winterfell itself. Ben would call her out on her pride too. that would be a dream match honestly. When the white walkers come down in the north. they have face the lioness protecting her wolf pack.
That's actually true. It's possible Cersei could be tamed with a caring husband and Jaime far away. The walkers coming south though, not sure how it could happen since they wouldn't have a dragon to destroy the wall. How do you think they would get down there??
Since you guys are using the show's logic you have to remember that Jon is not a bastard he is a true born child remember reaghar and lyanna did get married in the show it's even written in the records of the Citadel
Ned also could find out that Rhaegar divorced Elia and married Lyanna, making Jon the first in line for the Throne, in this scenario it would make sense that he would declare himself regent. About Jaime, he wouldn't send the son of Tywin to the Wall without a proper trial where at the end the Lannister could end revealing Aerys plan to burn the city, after they find the wildfire Ned with be in a dilemma, Jaime broke his vows and killed the liege he vowed to protect but at the same time he fulfilled his vows as knight to protect the innocent, Jon Arryn would advice him that the best solution would be to expel Jaime from the Kingsguard and declare him a hero for saving the people of King's Landing. This way Ned's sense of justice is fulfilled, Tywin will satisfied to have his heir back and Jaime might not turn into the cynical person he is at the beginning of the books.
I think Tywin will probably do everything he could to save Jaime. But of course Ned would never let that happen since Jaime did broke his oath so he'll send Jaime to the Wall. But I think here comes the role of Jon Arryn the diplomatic savvy try to make Ned reconsider his decision. Telling this will make the Lannisters 'unfriendly' to him which not a good option. And Ned will probably listen to Jon's advice since Ned sees him as a mentor and he knew that Jon is a wise man.
I think if Ned’s made king it’s definitely as king regent and Viserys will become king once he is of age, now who he’s betrothed to I’m not sure maybe Sansa? But I could also see Sansa be betrothed to a possible Robert son so that Baratheon and Stark are finally joined. Ned I think stays with Cat Rob gets betrothed to Danaerys as a back up plan if Viserys is just a cry baby Chad no matter how he’s raised. Jon I think is sent to the north to be raised by Benjen who’s the lord of winterfell, then Arya, Bran and Rickon are all married off for alliances maybe one of them is married off to a Martell prince or princess. I then think Ned removes Jamie as a kings guard A cause he doesn’t trust him and B he can return to being Tywins heir as a reward to Tywin aiding the rebellion (I think the mountain gets sent to Dorne and the Martells can do with him as they see fit for revenge) then I think Cersei is possibly married off to Benjen in the North, kind of a weird match but it would get her away from Jamie and I could see Benjen being charming enough to win over Cersei and that way they’ll have kids and Tywin hopefully would stay loyal to the Starks cause now he has Stark grandchildren and Ned spared his son who can now continue the Lannister name.
16:00 when they are talking bout what to do with jaime and the mountain and tywins need for greed. simply put put the lannister up agaisnt the mountain, have the mountain be championed by a weak guy or have tywin pull a Daemon from s2 HoTD and have him answer for his bannermans crimes by killing him himself whether its by the axe or several archers and crossbowmen. Then have jaime released or take on the challenger of the mountain after hegives confession on why he did it think just chopping off the silver hand instead of the golden one so that he still has his good hand, have him confess. pardon him from kingsguard which makes Tywin happy, send him off to the rock make tywin master of coin and BOOM everyone is generally happy at the outcome of why things need to be settled in that order
I've a feeling that Euron is being completely underestimated here. He's a free agent with his own aims that would not choose to go down with another character in the traditional squabbles over the "Game". The guy can't really be grouped with anyone, he's following plot threads that have been buried forever. went to Valyria and survived... with treasure, and seems to have found one of Westeros's legitimate routes to the occult out of the ether. (Rereading this, I did not intend the vaguely rhyming verse out of those lines) Over the course of his dealings, I think that more than a few of the "Chessmaster"-level characters may find him useful enough to keep around while trying to make sure they aren't being manipulated themselves. Not to mention if that horn of his truly acts as advertised. The return of the dragons seems like one of those inevitable events that fate will see through one way or another and Euron has spent years acclimating himself like some kind of evil Merlin.
I think Ned appeases Tywin by releasing Jamie from the King’s Guard. That would also “punish” Jamie. No way Jamie goes to the wall willing with Tywin’s blessing
there might be a short-cut from god's eye to blood-raven's cave. bran gets injured at King's landing - falls off a horse (warged), transported to god's eye lake for treatment, then bloodraven takes the child into his care...
He would legitimize Jon and Jon would never join the nights watch and he would make sure the nights watch was well maintained meaning no nights watch rebellion and CRASTER LIVES
@@OurHiltsHurt I thought the video was good. The marriages were good, but I think Ned would marry Rob to Danny as some assurance in case the true king died without an heir.
How can Bobby B die - Well, I guess another super hilarious Ned’s joke when he slightly loosen the Warhammer head, pays off as Robert returns from Pyke after skullfucking entire Greyjoy family line, taking the greatest shit on the Salt throne and piss into their Harbour and falls on a deck of a ship and just sinks the entire fucking thing together with Theon.
I mean ned could be king regent for jon since he's the son of rhaegar and, therefore, a more direct line. Plus, jon is a baby, so he's more maleable to being raised as a proper ruler
I think a more sensible "What if" in this case would be, what if "Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon would have agreed on an independent Northern Kingdom" It would have fit with Ned Starks sense for duty and loyalty, even as independent, he wouldn't turned his back on Robert, and it also could have fit to Roberts loyalty towards Ned and his entire view on the Starks in general. - About the Scenario, I don't think Ned would send Jaime to the wall. I think he would acknowledge that releasing Jaime from his duties as Kingsguard to return back to Casterly Rock would add some favor with Tywin and thus stability. We know that Ned can take some injustice if it can prevent further, even if he is visually unhappy with it. I think he would offer Tywin a trade. The Mountain for Jaime. The Mountain will be put on trial, will demand Trial by Combat, because that is for sure. The Mountain will if put on trial fight for it. So the trade would be to have Jaime kill the Mountain, that will "redeem" Jaime so far that he isn't send to the wall, but for him failing in his duty as Kingsguard, he will be released back into his family, with no way to ever become a Kingsguard ever again. This will be a blow to Jaimes pride, he though has no real choice here, as he'd otherwise would go to the wall. It would gain influence and favor with Tywin to some degree, as Ned would also prove to Tywin that he in fact is not just a Soldier. It would gain favor with the Dornish, as condemning the Mountain for his crimes will be something they will acknowledge and to some degree at least respect. Ned isn't stupid. He's blinded by loyalty and his ideals, but not entirely. I mean, the most obvious hint at his naivity is the trust he puts on Littlefinger, but that is based on Catelyn. Without Catelyn, he wouldn't have trusted Littlefinger even a bit. She trusts Littlefinger, and Ned trusts Catelyn.
Aight spark notes on my opinions: 1) Ned sees himself as king regent not king. 2) Ned affirms Robb as heir to winterfell only. 3) Ned would know if Jon is a bastard or not. If Jon is not, Ned will secretly raise him to be the next king. 4) the rebel lords would never accept Viserys. And Ned would fear aerys hereditary madness too much. Visy would be offered safe passage and comfort as a prince but not king. Never king. 5) Ned keeps Jon’s identity a secret till he comes of age to keep him safe. 6) Ned would insist Robb be raised in winterfell, probably with benjon as regent lord paramount. 7) unsure if carelyn stays in KL or winterfell. Thus also unsure on the existence of the rest of stark children. 8) potential Ashara return as a potential mother figure for Jon 9) balon still rebels and still loses. Plays out similar 10) Jaime is sent to the wall for sure. Tywin outright rebels or plans secret revenge for sure.
That’s a good point actually, why in the seven hells was Renly made master of laws and not the Mannis? I just think the lack of Ned/Stannis interactions is a shame. Put Stannis, Ned and Jaime in a room and they’d have an interesting conversation
I'd say most likely tywin would become hand of the king if not Master of coinut and most likely Jamie versus the mountain and a Jamie wins he gets to go back to castiliRock but it's confined there
You just put an image of a buff, Chad ass Bobby B. In a full bridal gown in my head 😭 reminds me of the Myth when Thor dressed as Freya to trick a Giant (think it was a Giant)
Ned would be king regent for Jon who is betrothed to dany with viserys 3 betrothed to Sansa and named lord of dragonstone and as Jon’s initial heir. Robb becomes heir to winterfell and is raised by Ned and Benjen who acts as regent in the north for Ned. Benjen eventually joins the king guard when Ned’s regency ends. Oberyn Martell as master of whispers. Jon Arryn is hand of the king Tywin is master of coin. Stannis as master of laws Hoster Tully would become master of ships Jaime would be sent to the wall. The mountain would be executed. Barristan is pardoned and made lord commander of the kings guard. Pycelle is maester Robert Baratheon returns to Storms end and is arranged to marry the daughter of a lord from the north, maybe the maderlys . This placates him for a time. Luckily the grey joy rebellions gives him a means to vent his anger. Robert is named as the commander of the army and master of war. When the rebellion is ended, balon is executed while Euron is killed in battle. Ned allows the iron island to pick a new leader in a show of respecting their ways. Cersei would be sent to Dorne in repayment for their lost daughter. She is betrothed to Oberyn. Tyrion is made tywins heir. Robb is betrothed to Margaery Tyrell in exchange for the pardon of house Tyrell.
The maesters know that reagar and lian were legal. Dorn chick that got murdered knew that she was being set aside for lian and so dorn might know that it was intended to be legal. So i think john would end up on the throne. The big question is Robert. I'm not sure he would accept John regardless of friendship with Ned. But on the other hand he seems to care a lot about Lian and that might stay the blade.
I don't think John Rryn would let Ned send Jaimie to the wall. Robert was able to get the Lannisters because of the marriage with Cersei. With that not happening, John Arryn would appease them by letting Jaimie live and send him back to Casterly Rock.
Idk if you've done a video on this, but what about "What if Arya named Cersei, Joffrey and/or the Hound?" That might be too long, but I've always wondered about this!
In this line of events, I'm curious on what your guys take would be if everything else was the same, but Robert listened to Ned and sent Jaime to the wall.
Here is a thought for this what if, have Rob Stark marry Margery Tyrell. You guys are correct in suggesting Sansa marry Visy III. Cersi could marry Benjin, still marry Bobby B or Ned could take Cersi as a second wife 😂😂😂 For children from the fuedal noble houses were future leaders and potential political tools.
Tywin has to bend the knee. The Baratheons, Starks, Tullys, and Arryns are united-that's already four kingdoms. In this timeline, the Martells are happy because the Mountain has been punished. The Tyrells sided with the Targaryens, who are still around, plus they always pick the winning team. That's six kingdoms. Tywin is cooked; he has no cards to play.
Let us know how you think the events would play out... also like and sub idiot
He'd use the swords on the iron throne to behead people
Didn't watch the video, but the seven kingdoms would definitely be worse off with this double digit IQ lunk at the helm
I think if Jamie fought the mountain to reclaim his honor and is stripped of his kings guard status that might appease Ned and idk why Jamie didn’t tell him which was stupid
I liked and subbed before even being told to do so, who's the mouth breathing idiot now? 😏
little finger would be very much screwed. He slept with Kats sister. Tully ( FIL) will not have him near them. also Tully would be more involved.
Honestly though as King, Ned would be too busy *“swinging the sword”* on every execution in Kings Landing, bro would be absent from court 80% of time just lopping off heads.
*”The King Who Makes Em Roll”*
Which is why he makes Stanis master of Laws
Ned, Hey Stanis I see you've been cutting peoples hands off
Stanis, oh yes this vial monster stole a hole loaf of bread to feed is malnourished family
@@thebrittaniondragon6183 If Stannis became master of law and ban brothels Bob B. would start a second rebellion with Tyrion as his right hand man.
@@SSJ2DNbut this is Ned The Bloody we’re talking about, man loves his executions, he loves making his kids watch them, he’d find a way to ramp them up.
@@SSJ2DNhe literally rode all the way to bear island to kill Jorah but Jorah ran away like a little bitch
@@SSJ2DN hanging peasants is based though. Chopping off a guys head cause he was literally attacked by ice zombies is not
Yeah officer, that thumbnail right there
Cat has never looked so good
Hello officer, it’s a simp trap… nothing to see here
@@therealsanta4919 in canon she does look like that funnily enough
Officer: "I see nothing wrong here"
Yeah officer, that snitch right there
“Damn you ned you should be sitting on my iron throne”
-Robert Baratheon
I wonder if it's valerian steel
Damn I see why Petyr was simping lol
His Simping makes more sense
They knew what they was doing with that thumb nail lol. She's still a bitch, But a hot bitch I guess 😂
I see why Ned didnt even get tired after 5 kids and 17 years of marriage. 😂
Jon boy is SHOOK
If Stannis became master of law and ban brothels Bob B. would start a second rebellion with Tyrion as his right hand man.
🤯🤣🤣
The brackens and the black woods might have to start fighting over Catelyn’s Teats
What’s new? They will use anything to fight
😂😂😂
I think really the smartest move with the Lannisters is to sentence the Mountain to death, who will immediately demand trial by combat. Ned can't really deny him, but he can choose Jaime as his champion and let him know that if he wins this thing, he will absolve himself of the charges of kingslaying at the same time. Tywin will be immediately on board with this. Even though this means he's still losing, he will think Ned was decent enough to provide him an off-ramp that lets him salvage the situation by keeping his heir AND getting him dismissed from the Kingsguard. You gain some, you lose some.
Even if Jaime wasn't a master at swordfighting who could take on the Mountain, Tywin would still ensure he's the one who wins that trial by combat. On the night before the duel, he's going to sit Gregor down, tell him he has to do what he has to do and there are going to be no hard feelings, and let's drink to the inevitable victor while quietly slipping something in Clegane's wine that gives him a brutal hangover the morning of the fight. Jaime is cleared of the charges under the laws of gods and men, and Ned can live with the outcome.
After that, even though Master of Coin is a downgrade for Tywin and he lost his most powerful terror weapon, he knows he can turn this around. He has his favoured son to succeed him once more, he can get Sandor to take over as the head of House Clegane to put on a (relatively) friendlier face, and he's still on the inside in King's Landing. If he can arrange some kind of marriage with the Starks, Arryns or Targaeryans, he's still on track to make his House greater than when he took over from his daddy. He's too pragmatic to just throw a hissy fit, especially once that stinker Balon proves to Westeros why it's better to remain united and at peace with the new regime.
Possible Marriages:
Jaime - Sansa to secure the connection to tywin
Cersei - Loras to split up jaime and cersei
Dani - Rob to secure vis III never going against the starks
Vis III - margery to ensure the tyrells staying loyal to the crown
Not sure though who would be suited for Robert…
@@lassekunst1804 I think the only way Ned would agree to be king is if Robert never recovered from his wounds and died in the Battle of the Trident and I think Tywin would push for a marriage between Vis III and Cersei (I think they are only 10 years apart), this would allow Ned to have a better relationship with Tywin (he is the only one who could rebel against him in the future)
@@lassekunst1804Jaime - Sansa is so cursed
Assuming John Arryn is his hand…he will advise Ned to keep Tywin happy.
Thumbnail got me edging to the Karen of the North😭😭 wth guys
Sorry but it had to be done
got here and liked faster than ned stark himself arriving to kingslanding and losing his head
so are we gonna ignore the closeness of benjen and lyanna? like he knew how she felt about the prince and teased her about it and she poured wine on him. benjen also helped her find armor for becoming the mystery knight to avenge howland. he knew where she went and who johns real father is. i always thought when ned took john back and she told him everything that he knew benjen knew and so sent him to the wall to repent
Its very simple. Ned sheds 120lbs of water weight, by selling Catlin to Littlefinger, marries teen Dany (acts like he doesn't want to), and we get Dragonrider Ned.
I mean that is a great Ned speed run to dragonrider lol
Based strategy to get Little finger out of the picture
Stick that cold hard ice to a fire
This is a Freaky Ahhh Comment, Gotta Report You Big Dog.
I could see Ned naming himself regent, because he doesn't ACTUALLY want to be king, taking Jon and legitimizing him and raising him at court himself to finally give the realm an honorable king that is allied with the north.
Dog the idea of The Karen of THE SEVEN KINGDOMS immediately turns the whole story into a horror story
How does it?
@@OurHiltsHurt Giving an absolute beotch the absolute power to bend all 7 kingdoms managers to her will would make everyone's life a living hell. Daily peggings for anyone that even looks at her the wrong way
Oh come on, Cat would still be a better queen than Cersei.
Cat could be the Hurrem Sultan of the Seven Kingdoms and still be likeable. Slightly better than Cersei, though imagine Lysa ruling the Seven Kingdoms.
Tbh, Cat has a tendency to let her weaknesses take over her entire plot 90% of the way to completion. She'll know what her objectives are, set up her actions very well, and then something happens involving her family or something. Suddenly, she's got blinders on and makes some of the wackiest calls.
Nah the cranogmen are the cajuns of Westeros. The Florida men are the Iron Islanders I guess.
The notion that Ned would be a Targaryen restorationist is ridiculous. They killed his family. He would probably not look to exterminate them but he would maybe let them keep dragonstone. Robert is going to essos to work as a sellsword as he always wanted. Renly is married to cerci, which is a winwin because she can fuck who she wants and he wont mind. Stannis is master of ships, Jon arryn is HOTK, Doran or Oberyn is master of laws. Jamie is booted from the kingsguard which actually appeases tywin. Tywin is master of coin because hes good at it. Varys is master of whispers because hes good at it.
Ned is almost certainly establishing a Stark dynasty because no way in hell hes handing it back to the targaryens and what other option is there.
Agreed, but I think he will marry Robb with Daenerys, just to cement his claim and calm down eventual Targs sympathisers, as a political move.
Marrying rob to daenerys or making Jon Targaryen the King but raise him as a Stark and marry him to Sansa.
Stannis didn’t want to retreat at the Blackwater cause he would rather die than return to Selyse. Who is worse Skyler White or Catelyn Stark?
At least Catelyn didn't go sing to petyr at his birthday
One way or another,Tywin's getting Jaime back.
Ned can think whatever he likes,but he has enough sense to take Lorch and the Mountain's heads in exchange for relieving Jaime of his vows.
That would also appease the Martells somewhat if he sent them their heads,or even better if he could get them to Oberyn alive.
Also I would like to think that Jaime would tell him about the wildfire in this case,as Ned will literally be in charge of King's Landing for the forseeable future and I think that would defo convince him that Jaime did the right thing.
It's a win win for both parties,especially if Tywin gets to be master of coin AND he finally gets his golden heir back.
It would do a lot to alleviate the fact that Cersei won't be marrying into the royal family.
Also I feel like there should be a way for him to conclude that the Kingsguard would never guard a bastard which defo might lead him on a trail to find the documents at the citadel.
Ain't no point in replacing Aerys with Viserys.
Fair points!
Ok hear me out, Brendan and Robert are both chads, Stannis and Ned are both honorable, does that mean that benjen Stark is indulging himself with homosexual activities in the Wall?
@@LynxxMan has actually been a popular fan theory
....what lmao?
@@JosephSAMUELJonesMommyTammTamm he's asking if Benjen isn't just taking the black but also the white (liquid)
@@justsomeguywithadogpicture2622 I know...but where does he get that sheet from?
Probably, and you're never gonna be able to convince me that homosexual activity is rampant at The Wall.
I love the idea of Bobby B becoming Ned's version of Gregor.
We need a 30 minute Greyjoy roast video.
Tywin is not letting Jaime go to wall.
I have never watched GOT, my buddy tried to get me into it by putting the battle of the bastards on, y’all’s commentary for some reason gets me into it.
I don’t think Ned would declare himself king
But, if Ned witnessed what Gregor and Amory Lorch did at Tywin’s command, and saw how Robert Baratheon reacted positively to the deaths of Elia, Aegon and uhh I forget the daughters name.
Then I could see Ned going to the tower of joy, realizing Robert is gonna kill baby Jon. Maybe Lyanna is already dead so never drops the “promise me” and Author Dayne explains the situation to ned.
So maybe instead of a battle, we get Ned and Author (plus the other kings guard) teaming up to put Viserys on the throne and Ned acts as regent and cares for Viserys, Dany, and Jon aka Aemon.
THAT would be badass. I think Viserys was a bad coin flip but if anyone can raise a dragon prince to be honorable it’s Ned. Id be curious to see what Viserys is like, still crazy but maybe a bit less arrogant and rapey.
Side note, since Dorne would almost certainly take up arms for Viserys, I could see the reach also marrying into the Targs, and Jon Arryn and Huster Tully id imagine side with Ned.
The pact of Ice and Scorpions plot would be sick lol
Does he send Jaime to the wall? No he can’t. He can’t go against Tywin from the start.
I agree that Ned who see him self as a regent, to set the kingdoms to right, then returning to winter fell to live a quiet life.
No man gives Balon is crown. He will take his crown. He pays the iron price for his crown. That is who he is.
Unless it’s begging the lannisters
"yes master of coin, please polish my golden piece" 😂😂😂😂
Please Tywin, I beg of you...
If Ned is King I don't think Viserys & Dany go to Essos. Ned wouldn't want Blackfyre rebellions 2.0 coming down the line. I don't know who he'd have ward them &/or marry them off to. Maybe Dany & Robb Stark are betrothed? Robb would be his heir & it would keep Targaryen blood on the throne to deter uprisings. Trying to think like Ned is hard sometimes.
Maggie the Frog will be pissed that all her prophecys for Cersei turn out wrong.
That thumbnail is nasty work. Anyways, here's my theory:
Ned arrives in kings landing and immedietly arrests Jaimie in the throne room. A fight between Stark and Lannister forces breaks out. So Ned Stark stays in Kings landing to secure it for the rebels.
Robert recovers and decides to go get his betrothed at the tower of joy. He uncovers the truth about Rhaegar and Lyanna, kills Arthur Dayne in a wild rage.
He takes Dawn and disappears over the narrow sea. He spends years fighting for sellsword companies and in fighting pits, mad with grief and regret.
Ned Stark stays in Kings Landing and assumes power. Roberts men bring back the truth and Aegon Targaryen.
Eddard stays king regent until Aegon is of age.
The greyjoy rebellion happens again of course, this time with Lannister and Dornish support (the dornish would just be pissed that their still alive Targaryen heir was passed over).
Robert comes back and dies in a mad blaze of glory to help his beloveds Targaryen Son.
Nasty? Not a fan of the Karen in the North?
I’m sorry, but Robert’s not leaving any dragons live in this scenario
@@OurHiltsHurtI do now which is the problem
@@charlottewalnut3118yeah my theory sucks ass for the fact alone that Robert would never wield a wimpy sword instead of a chadly warhammer.
I just want to imagine robert going crazy in the fighting pits.
He realizes that Lyanna never wanted the royal hammer and therefore dedicates his life not to politics and marriage, but to smashing scrubs like whack-a-mole wherever there are scrubs to smash. Leaving Eddard to deal with the seven kingdoms, inheritances and all that. Very in charachter if you ask me.
Wtf ,you say until Aegon is of age so why would Dorne be pissed ?
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Robert Baratheon is injured after the Battle of the Trident. The easiest way (and probably the only way) to see Ned taking up the mantel of King is if Robert’s injuries develop gangrene or something and dies from his injuries. Leaving the rebellion leaderless. Ned would be the only replacement that would allow the Rebellion to continue as strong as it did. That’s why Robert made Ned lead the rest of the Rebellion while he rested and healed from his injuries after the battle of the Trident
If you kill the mountain, then he takes punishment. Also if Tywin denies all involvement I think Ned would be forced to accept it for the kingdom. Tywin could serve as hand if Ned put his bias aside for the betterment of the kingdom. I well I think so anyway
I’m so glad this channel randomly appeared in my feed. Your videos are so good and I love the impressions especially Bobbie B.
As a Florida man, it is not the Reeds, we’re probably the most like the Baratheons if you think about it.
Stormlands - we get hammered with storms all the time, all our houses have to be wind resistant to 145 mph.
Hunters ✅
Warriors ✅
Rebels ✅
Baratheons decide Targ Kings (Dance of Dragons/Bush)
We both suck at reading.
The Robert impressions never fail to crack me up.
Bran "the broken cringelord parkour artist" lmao
I think viserys and margery as a marriage makes more sense since the reach is a large kingodm and has the largerst food stores and thats needed after a large war, daenerys would more than likely marry robb, since at this point sansa wouldnt be born so links his line to the throne and appeases the other realm. Once ned leaves kings landing, tywin would take the healm and viserys ans margerys kids would marry into lannister.
Oh and robert would more than likely become a sellsword, he did mention that was a desire both in books and show
Samuel "Munchlax" Tarly is fuckung hilarious.
Howland Reed is indeed Florida Man. 😂
OH, so Ben and Cersei would be interest. He would be loyal to her, treat he kindly and likely grow to love her. and she might not become so evil she have strong less crazy kids and a father that loves them and all stark children will be grow up together ( including lion/wolf clubs). Cersei might even be extremely protective of Winterfell itself. Ben would call her out on her pride too. that would be a dream match honestly.
When the white walkers come down in the north. they have face the lioness protecting her wolf pack.
That's actually true. It's possible Cersei could be tamed with a caring husband and Jaime far away.
The walkers coming south though, not sure how it could happen since they wouldn't have a dragon to destroy the wall. How do you think they would get down there??
17:44 there is no way Tywin would be so easily placated
Well not legitimately in his mind. But he would have to accept it until V3 became king. What's his alternative?
Since you guys are using the show's logic you have to remember that Jon is not a bastard he is a true born child
remember reaghar and lyanna did get married in the show it's even written in the records of the Citadel
Cat lookin fine af got me drooling
Don't let her trick you. Resist the thots brother 🙏🏻
Ned also could find out that Rhaegar divorced Elia and married Lyanna, making Jon the first in line for the Throne, in this scenario it would make sense that he would declare himself regent.
About Jaime, he wouldn't send the son of Tywin to the Wall without a proper trial where at the end the Lannister could end revealing Aerys plan to burn the city, after they find the wildfire Ned with be in a dilemma, Jaime broke his vows and killed the liege he vowed to protect but at the same time he fulfilled his vows as knight to protect the innocent, Jon Arryn would advice him that the best solution would be to expel Jaime from the Kingsguard and declare him a hero for saving the people of King's Landing. This way Ned's sense of justice is fulfilled, Tywin will satisfied to have his heir back and Jaime might not turn into the cynical person he is at the beginning of the books.
“Damn you Ned!”
The Baratheon anthem
I think Tywin will probably do everything he could to save Jaime. But of course Ned would never let that happen since Jaime did broke his oath so he'll send Jaime to the Wall. But I think here comes the role of Jon Arryn the diplomatic savvy try to make Ned reconsider his decision. Telling this will make the Lannisters 'unfriendly' to him which not a good option. And Ned will probably listen to Jon's advice since Ned sees him as a mentor and he knew that Jon is a wise man.
Can we get a “Bessy is better than Katlyn” video
I think if Ned’s made king it’s definitely as king regent and Viserys will become king once he is of age, now who he’s betrothed to I’m not sure maybe Sansa? But I could also see Sansa be betrothed to a possible Robert son so that Baratheon and Stark are finally joined. Ned I think stays with Cat Rob gets betrothed to Danaerys as a back up plan if Viserys is just a cry baby Chad no matter how he’s raised. Jon I think is sent to the north to be raised by Benjen who’s the lord of winterfell, then Arya, Bran and Rickon are all married off for alliances maybe one of them is married off to a Martell prince or princess. I then think Ned removes Jamie as a kings guard A cause he doesn’t trust him and B he can return to being Tywins heir as a reward to Tywin aiding the rebellion (I think the mountain gets sent to Dorne and the Martells can do with him as they see fit for revenge) then I think Cersei is possibly married off to Benjen in the North, kind of a weird match but it would get her away from Jamie and I could see Benjen being charming enough to win over Cersei and that way they’ll have kids and Tywin hopefully would stay loyal to the Starks cause now he has Stark grandchildren and Ned spared his son who can now continue the Lannister name.
"robert would feel like his nuts were being speed bagged"
PMSL
16:00 when they are talking bout what to do with jaime and the mountain and tywins need for greed.
simply put put the lannister up agaisnt the mountain, have the mountain be championed by a weak guy or have tywin pull a Daemon from s2 HoTD and have him answer for his bannermans crimes by killing him himself whether its by the axe or several archers and crossbowmen.
Then have jaime released or take on the challenger of the mountain after hegives confession on why he did it think just chopping off the silver hand instead of the golden one so that he still has his good hand, have him confess. pardon him from kingsguard which makes Tywin happy, send him off to the rock make tywin master of coin and BOOM everyone is generally happy at the outcome of why things need to be settled in that order
I've a feeling that Euron is being completely underestimated here. He's a free agent with his own aims that would not choose to go down with another character in the traditional squabbles over the "Game".
The guy can't really be grouped with anyone, he's following plot threads that have been buried forever.
went to Valyria and survived... with treasure, and seems to have found one of Westeros's legitimate routes to the occult out of the ether. (Rereading this, I did not intend the vaguely rhyming verse out of those lines)
Over the course of his dealings, I think that more than a few of the "Chessmaster"-level characters may find him useful enough to keep around while trying to make sure they aren't being manipulated themselves. Not to mention if that horn of his truly acts as advertised. The return of the dragons seems like one of those inevitable events that fate will see through one way or another and Euron has spent years acclimating himself like some kind of evil Merlin.
The Stormlands is the Florida of Westeros.
I think Ned appeases Tywin by releasing Jamie from the King’s Guard. That would also “punish” Jamie. No way Jamie goes to the wall willing with Tywin’s blessing
there might be a short-cut from god's eye to blood-raven's cave. bran gets injured at King's landing - falls off a horse (warged), transported to god's eye lake for treatment, then bloodraven takes the child into his care...
It’s actually simple Robert kills him angered at his betrayal and might actually be happy with Cersei due to love of the starks turning to hate
He would legitimize Jon and Jon would never join the nights watch and he would make sure the nights watch was well maintained meaning no nights watch rebellion and CRASTER LIVES
when the next book comes out and Jon isn’t a Targaryen I would laugh so hard and pass out
I am excited for this video! Keep up the good work lads.
Hey thanks. Let us know what you think of the video
@@OurHiltsHurt I thought the video was good. The marriages were good, but I think Ned would marry Rob to Danny as some assurance in case the true king died without an heir.
I actually really wanted to see you guys discuss this one
Let us know what you think
why Catlyn... you've enchanted yourself.
Eddard Stark, Quite Wolf, and Warden of the North.
How can Bobby B die - Well, I guess another super hilarious Ned’s joke when he slightly loosen the Warhammer head, pays off as Robert returns from Pyke after skullfucking entire Greyjoy family line, taking the greatest shit on the Salt throne and piss into their Harbour and falls on a deck of a ship and just sinks the entire fucking thing together with Theon.
Lol whoever came up with all those individual ideas should win the nobel prize
@@OurHiltsHurt now just to incorporate the death of Catelyn in it and its perfect story.
Rob and Dany is kinda a power couple I never knew I needed
I mean ned could be king regent for jon since he's the son of rhaegar and, therefore, a more direct line. Plus, jon is a baby, so he's more maleable to being raised as a proper ruler
I think Ned should make the Lannisters give up a 1/3 of their army to the wall to show loyalty in exchange for Jamie being sent to Dorne or the Vale.
I think a more sensible "What if" in this case would be, what if "Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon would have agreed on an independent Northern Kingdom"
It would have fit with Ned Starks sense for duty and loyalty, even as independent, he wouldn't turned his back on Robert, and it also could have fit to Roberts loyalty towards Ned and his entire view on the Starks in general.
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About the Scenario, I don't think Ned would send Jaime to the wall. I think he would acknowledge that releasing Jaime from his duties as Kingsguard to return back to Casterly Rock would add some favor with Tywin and thus stability. We know that Ned can take some injustice if it can prevent further, even if he is visually unhappy with it.
I think he would offer Tywin a trade. The Mountain for Jaime. The Mountain will be put on trial, will demand Trial by Combat, because that is for sure. The Mountain will if put on trial fight for it. So the trade would be to have Jaime kill the Mountain, that will "redeem" Jaime so far that he isn't send to the wall, but for him failing in his duty as Kingsguard, he will be released back into his family, with no way to ever become a Kingsguard ever again.
This will be a blow to Jaimes pride, he though has no real choice here, as he'd otherwise would go to the wall. It would gain influence and favor with Tywin to some degree, as Ned would also prove to Tywin that he in fact is not just a Soldier. It would gain favor with the Dornish, as condemning the Mountain for his crimes will be something they will acknowledge and to some degree at least respect.
Ned isn't stupid. He's blinded by loyalty and his ideals, but not entirely. I mean, the most obvious hint at his naivity is the trust he puts on Littlefinger, but that is based on Catelyn. Without Catelyn, he wouldn't have trusted Littlefinger even a bit. She trusts Littlefinger, and Ned trusts Catelyn.
Aight spark notes on my opinions:
1) Ned sees himself as king regent not king.
2) Ned affirms Robb as heir to winterfell only.
3) Ned would know if Jon is a bastard or not. If Jon is not, Ned will secretly raise him to be the next king.
4) the rebel lords would never accept Viserys. And Ned would fear aerys hereditary madness too much. Visy would be offered safe passage and comfort as a prince but not king. Never king.
5) Ned keeps Jon’s identity a secret till he comes of age to keep him safe.
6) Ned would insist Robb be raised in winterfell, probably with benjon as regent lord paramount.
7) unsure if carelyn stays in KL or winterfell. Thus also unsure on the existence of the rest of stark children.
8) potential Ashara return as a potential mother figure for Jon
9) balon still rebels and still loses. Plays out similar
10) Jaime is sent to the wall for sure. Tywin outright rebels or plans secret revenge for sure.
I love your videos man and always watch them the morning after going out and being hungover😂
Damn you Ned you have take my throne .
That’s a good point actually, why in the seven hells was Renly made master of laws and not the Mannis?
I just think the lack of Ned/Stannis interactions is a shame. Put Stannis, Ned and Jaime in a room and they’d have an interesting conversation
Absolutely diabolical thumbnail 😭
I think John Aaron may convince Ned to keep Varus as master of whisperers
I love to sit down put one of your guys videos on in the background and play a game thank you boys ❤
Power of the thumbail brought me here
I'd say most likely tywin would become hand of the king if not Master of coinut and most likely Jamie versus the mountain and a Jamie wins he gets to go back to castiliRock but it's confined there
I see Petyr I also Envy Ned
This is how Petyr sees cat lol
You just put an image of a buff, Chad ass Bobby B. In a full bridal gown in my head 😭 reminds me of the Myth when Thor dressed as Freya to trick a Giant (think it was a Giant)
10:11 How torn Robert would be the son of the woman he loved and the man he hated.
Ned would be king regent for Jon who is betrothed to dany with viserys 3 betrothed to Sansa and named lord of dragonstone and as Jon’s initial heir. Robb becomes heir to winterfell and is raised by Ned and Benjen who acts as regent in the north for Ned.
Benjen eventually joins the king guard when Ned’s regency ends.
Oberyn Martell as master of whispers.
Jon Arryn is hand of the king
Tywin is master of coin.
Stannis as master of laws
Hoster Tully would become master of ships
Jaime would be sent to the wall.
The mountain would be executed.
Barristan is pardoned and made lord commander of the kings guard.
Pycelle is maester
Robert Baratheon returns to Storms end and is arranged to marry the daughter of a lord from the north, maybe the maderlys . This placates him for a time. Luckily the grey joy rebellions gives him a means to vent his anger. Robert is named as the commander of the army and master of war. When the rebellion is ended, balon is executed while Euron is killed in battle. Ned allows the iron island to pick a new leader in a show of respecting their ways.
Cersei would be sent to Dorne in repayment for their lost daughter. She is betrothed to Oberyn.
Tyrion is made tywins heir.
Robb is betrothed to Margaery Tyrell in exchange for the pardon of house Tyrell.
The maesters know that reagar and lian were legal. Dorn chick that got murdered knew that she was being set aside for lian and so dorn might know that it was intended to be legal. So i think john would end up on the throne. The big question is Robert. I'm not sure he would accept John regardless of friendship with Ned. But on the other hand he seems to care a lot about Lian and that might stay the blade.
He would serve as protector for Jon Snow. There would have been no reason to hide his identity in this timeline.
What if Ned Stark MARRIED Bobby B? Power couple in the making.
They would be unstoppable. King Robert and Queen Ned.
What about a Cersei-Willas marriage?? + Edmure-Arianne + Viserys-Sansa that sounds like a very strong alliances
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also could you do what if Jamie after killing mad king took the throne for himself
Does Tywin still order the Mountain to kill Ellia Martell & her kids Aegon & Rhaenys? Aegon would be next in line before Viserys.
And yall do a perfect Robet B. Voice lmao
I read the title as what if Ned was naked…. I don’t know how and I don’t know why
I don't think John Rryn would let Ned send Jaimie to the wall. Robert was able to get the Lannisters because of the marriage with Cersei. With that not happening, John Arryn would appease them by letting Jaimie live and send him back to Casterly Rock.
Idk if you've done a video on this, but what about "What if Arya named Cersei, Joffrey and/or the Hound?" That might be too long, but I've always wondered about this!
In this line of events, I'm curious on what your guys take would be if everything else was the same, but Robert listened to Ned and sent Jaime to the wall.
Makes way more sense for ned to make jon king.
But how does he prove it?
WHat if Jamie was not pardon for kingslaying and he won a trial by combat (basically the gods saying Jamie was in the right)
Definitely need to flesh this one out a little more. Maybe solidly the alliances through marriage pacts. Unite the 7 kingdoms all over again.
None of Ned & Cat's children would ever exist (except Robb) in this scenario
The Mountain might demand a trial by combat, but he forgets one thing.
Ned doesn't believe in the Seven or their custom of trial by combat.
man knows what he’s doing with the thumbnails probably half the views on this video
Here is a thought for this what if, have Rob Stark marry Margery Tyrell. You guys are correct in suggesting Sansa marry Visy III.
Cersi could marry Benjin, still marry Bobby B or Ned could take Cersi as a second wife 😂😂😂
For children from the fuedal noble houses were future leaders and potential political tools.
Tywin has to bend the knee.
The Baratheons, Starks, Tullys, and Arryns are united-that's already four kingdoms. In this timeline, the Martells are happy because the Mountain has been punished. The Tyrells sided with the Targaryens, who are still around, plus they always pick the winning team. That's six kingdoms.
Tywin is cooked; he has no cards to play.
Exactly 💯