What I think will happen? Bobby B makes the Night King revive Rhaegar just so he can cave in his chestplate again and then both go on to make the 8 together. The end.
IVE GOT SOMETHING THATLL WARM YOU UP And they share a cold beer together, and the Night King finally made a friend, and peace was made, and brothels were packed.
@@slipstick985Together Robert, Stannis and Renly hijack all three of Dany’s dragons, cause the dragon realise they Baratheons are a superior branch Of House Cringaryon and that their grandmother is Targaryen.
Id love a roberts rebellion series as well the 1st season with Robert just felt like a better show. They could probably make an amazing show out of the rebellion
Tywin and tyrion could probably get themselves out of the shitter but cersei and jaime are screwed, joffrey, myrcella, and tommen might not die because robert has never offed children as far as we know and he's got ned keeping him from doing anything drastic
Tywin has no choice but to stand down in this scenario. Otherwise he’s at war with the Crownlands, Stormlands, North, Riverlands, Dorne, and potentially the Reach and Vale. The best Tywin can do is probably try to wave the Crown’s debt to the Lannisters in exchange for his grandkids being made legitimate Lannisters. I don’t think Robert remarries since he wanted to bring his bastard daughter Mya Stone to court. He probably legitimizes Mya and Eddric Storm his bastard son being fostered in Storm’s End
Renly was trying to get Margaery to replace Cersei. There’s a chance he’d marry her. But I could also see Robert staying single and just legitimizing Edric Storm and Mya stone.
@@noamias4897 Tywin would never let Tyrion be heir so he would pick Joffrey only to eventually realize that Joffrey was worthless. Considering how little he cared about Joffrey death in the actual series I imagine he wouldn’t really care about him and may even maneuver him into doing something to get him disinherited. Then I guess Tywin would start training Tommen to be heir.
@@glowhoo9226This would inevitably lead to a succession war whenever Robert died between Stannis the Mannis, Renly, and the legitimized bastards. The brothers would be pissed that bastards were legitimized over them.
From what I remember Robert was genuinely concerned about the sort of person that Joffrey was becoming, with the whole slicing open a pregnant cat and all, so he’d probably be all to happy to get that spiteful little shit out of the line of succession. I think the only thing that he’d seriously consider is wether he should be called waters or hill
I love that most "What If" or fanfiction scenarios where Robert learns the truth have small moment of him thinking "Oh thank THE GODS that monster isn't mine", even if only briefly
09:30 Imagine that. Jaime Lannister is on trial by combat for incest. Ned Stark is watching as hand. King Robert is absent. He fights Barristan, Barristan is old, he fights but he loses. But he wounds Jaime badly, going out with a smile. Immediately Round Two is called. Cersei's trial by combat, the gates open and out strides Robert Baratheon, in peak shape, wielding his hammer. "Come on Kingslayer. Let's see how you do against one that can fight back."
@@attiepollard7847 he could if he fought robert without having fought someone yet. in a situation like the one described nah bruh a wounded Jaime gets hit with that damn hammer bro he gone. might hurt robert tho.
@@goosemasongeeseman4158 but here's the thing l. I don't think round 2 would start right away. I think Ned Stark would give Jamie one or two days to recover because he wants a fair fight.
Robert was just in the middle of the greatest dirty bulk the world has ever seen. If completed, he would've been able to bash Rhaegal and Drogons skulls together like a cartoon character.
Ned literally says that the reason he tells Cersei is because he wouldn’t be able to convince not to kill her and the kids So if Robert survives, he would kill all of them, make Jaime a wanted man And like in the books, Renly would convince Robert to marry Margery
Honestly entering into another war would do wonders for him. Dude was a shite king, and even he knew it, but he lived for battle. A good war is just what he needs to pull himself out of his current state.
Ned was already injured. That won't change. But now the Lannister's are scared about Rob finding out. They murder Rob with a northern assassin and then let Ned be murdered anyways. In Robs mind he is in debt with the Lannister's. He doesn't even know that he is also in dept with the Iron Bank. The rest kind of plays out the same way. Both Rob and Ned are not capable of playing the Games of Thrones. They live for decades from the fame of the stories from the Rebellion. Ned never was the fighter everyone thinks he is and Robert is a fat drunken fool. He doesn't has the stamina anymore he had as he was young.
@@stemill1569 But i feel only way lannisters could make it out alive is to side with dany by either bending or falling in her feet or whatever inorder to oppose roberts armies and goes into hiding till the dragons are grown enough to burndown roberts armies as dany might be more pissed at baratheons than lannisters given she didn't have much problem with tyrion !!!
He marched because Ned was captured, not killed, he’s dies after some battles have been fought by rob still he wouldn’t march because Ned wasn’t imprisoned
@@sameersheriff7078Dany does not stand a chance against the Baratheons cause the dragons would just join and bend the knee to Robert, Stannis and Renly cause House Baratheon is superior to House Cringaryon.
I think Tywin would probably throw Cersei under the bus and save his heir by having Lancel claim the children. He would find a way to get Jaime out of King's landing and the kingsguard and have him detained somewhere while Cersei's trial happened.
Something else that was put in motion pre-Robert death was Ned sending Beric Dondarrion to hunt down The Mountain. Beric was killed and resurrected like 4 times before he and his men heard Robert and Ned were dead, and it was after they were dead that the Brotherhood without banners was formed. So we still have Beric, Thoros, and his boys in conflict with Gregor and his men, but they still have the authority of the king. Also Tywin was ordered to come to King's Landing to answer for The Mountain's crimes, without Robert dead before he arrives he'd still be on the hook for that and be there in person for the Cersei-Jaime incest allegations as well. Without support I think The Mountain would eventually be worn down and killed by Beric and his men as Beric can still call on reinforcements while Tywin will probably have his hands tied.
I can see a marriage pact between Margery and Edric Baratheon. Alternative, Ned tells Robert Joffery is illigitament, and Robert says he knows already and doesn't care.
Robert chose Jaime as his champion so that instead of possibly getting rid of both of them, he for sure gets rid of one of them, and enjoys the poetics of the twins being the 1 to sentence the other for death
But wouldn't Jamie be imprisoned anyways for his treason? How could he both be the crown's champion and accused? And besides, I don’t think Bobby B thinks that far ahead
Essentially, it would be a case of he cant say no. If he wants to be free and prove his innocence he has to fight and win. but this of course means cercei loses. And if he protects cercei by losing, he is now dead. Either way someone between the two of them is dying @noamias4897
Depending on where the kids are when Robert finds out, they might survive. Assuming that Robert's given enough time to calm down, he might let them live on in exile like the Targaryens. But Cersei and Jaime would definitely die. What they did was punishable by death and it's probably the deepest form of betrayal. I can't think of anything more underhanded. Like Ned said. This wasn't brave or honourable. It was poison in the dark. A knife thrust at his very soul. Unlike the kids, they're 100% guilty. He'd take them out.
@@michaelsmart1577 I don’t see Robert being that generous. If he can kill a baby they stand no chance once he finds out they not only betrayed him but did it basically in his face
The reason robert did nothing after jaime stabbed ned was because as he said he can't rule the kingdoms with the stark's and lannister's at each others throats
@@OurHiltsHurt having the richest house with a standardized army(a major flex in a medieval place like westeros) and a bunch of chad northerners at each other's throats isn't the best recipe for stability, that being said he should have done something to keep the peace other than telling them to kiss and make up like there are no deeper issues between both sides
@cantmossadtheassad9952 exactly but if it was revealed that she cucked him with her own brother, the fact that the lannisters have gold wouldn't save them from being at war with the crown.
"NED!!!! BRING ME THE KINGSLAYER AND MY WARHAMMER....and some wine for later" jokes aside, all the dragons in the world couldn't keep cersei and Jamie safe from Robert
Ned tells Jon his true parentage. News somehow gets back to Robert (with some help from Littlefinger) and creates a wedge between Robert and Ned. Robert wants Jon's head and Ned refuses. Chaos ensues, and Littlefinger gets the chaotic situation he needs.
They should make a Game of Thrones prequel tv series about Roberts Rebellion but only in a Family Guy style of flashback cutaways. “Hey Ned remember that time I smashed Rhaegar on the Trident? Ehehehe”
Why would Robb be moving South if Ned is still alive and no longer in the dungeon? He wouldn't be. I don't think he would even make a move for Northern independence without Ned dying. Robb would stay North and as long as Robert and Ned are alive, there would be no war.
Here’s what I think could happen: Cersei is executed. Ned persuades Robert to spare the children and they’re shipped off somewhere to be wards of lesser houses or maybe they’re sent to the Free Cities. Tywin has to fight to defend the Lannister honour and to protect Jaime, but he has little to no chance of victory. Ned would order Robb to call the Northern banners. Robert calls the armies of the Crownlands whilst Renly Marshalls the Storm Lords. Oberyn Martell leads a Dornish army purely to destroy the Lannisters. The Tyrell’s offer Margaery to Robert as a bride in exchange for their armies. Robert would probably accept. Loras Tyrell takes Jaime’s place in the Kingsguard. Balon Greyjoy does something stupid. Lysa keeps the Vale armies at home. The Royal Army commanded by Robert smashes Tywin’s much smaller army and forces him to retreat to Casterly Rock. Robert demands Tywin hand over Jaime for execution and offers Tywin a chance to surrender if he takes the Black. Afterwards everyone goes and trashes the Iron Islands again and executes Balon.
Very good assessment. I don’t think it’d escalate that far, I think Tywin would offer up Jaime and try to bargain the legitimisation of Cersei’s children (who’d then become his heirs). Although I don’t think Robert would accept. Best case scenario for Jaime is Tywin trying to leverage the debt he’s owed by the Crown to get him sent to the Wall instead of straight up executed. Tywin wouldn’t risk the blatant and obvious obliteration of his house when he knows he stands no chance of winning. No amount of gold, armies, scheming or political manoeuvring would get him out of this. He’d probably have to swallow his pride and name Tyrion as heir to Casterly Rock. Or be extra petty and swallow even more pride and look to his brother’s side of the family. Yeah, the real question is whether Robert would legitimise his bastard son or take Margaery as his bride and produce new, legitimate heirs to the throne. The latter scenario could create the seeds for a future conflict where Robert’s bastards challenge Robert’s legitimate heirs from Margaery for the throne.
@@SolFundamentum I don’t see Robert’s bastards rising up because he only has 1 acknowledged Bastard that could- Edric Storm- and I don’t see anyone supporting Edric’s claim.
Thank god, my favorite GoT TH-cam channel putting out a Bobby B video. If he hadn’t been murdered in such a cowardly way, I promise you that Robert, 1st of His Name, Breaker of Chests, would go on to smash the newborn dragons, and then single-handedly cave in the chests of all the Others. But alas, the poison slowed him down so that the inhuman forces of nature (a pig) could finally contend with his power level. Great work fellas, as always.
It would've been a kickass plot twist if the Night King survived Arya's stabbing and Bobby turned out to be alive. He'd be like "YOU WERE BESTED BY A LITTLE GIRL..." And then destroy the Night King with his kingly laugh. He would then marry Dany because she wouldn't be able to resist his charm.
I magine Robert using Lancel as a shild against the boar , and Tyrek instead of the hammer Robert things to do list : Get rid of Kingslayer and the cloth Give Castely Rock to another family Sent joffrey to the wall Bring Edric to KL and marry him to Ned 's daughter
You're missing the fact that in a medieval society, adultery against the king is treason. It's why, in some versions of Arthurian lore, Arthur was going to burn Guinevere and had to go to war with Lancelot. Jaime and Cersei are screwed and Tywin would likely have to go to war with Robert to save his house.
The thought of Bobby B getting back in shape and personally taking down his enemies makes me so happy. It would make sense too, he was already a heavy drinker and eater in the past. I think it was the warrior lifestyle that kept him in shape. And if conflict arised, I think he'd be secretlly very happy of not having to play peace anymore.
Jamie gets sent to the wall instead of murdered to not anger Tywin too much. Ned helps Cersei escape into exile and gets removed as hand of the king and sent to the north by a frustrated Robert. Tywin scowls at Tyrion in disgust and starts to think of ways to not make him his heir. Dany gets assassinated. They never go beyond the wall and lose a dragon so the white walkers can destroy it and attack.
25:20 I think if Robert doesn't re-marry then the war of the 5 Kings just gets pushed back & lines redrawn. The Tyrells' want Margaery to be Queen so if not Robert then either push one of Robert's bastards or Renly. Tywin will be scheming his way back to power. I don't think it will be immediate, I think he'll wait to gather strength & forge alliances before doing anything. Dorne will probably keep doing what they're doing in the books. Little Finger is still doing the whole chaos thing. Greyjoys' are a wild card highly dependent on who is in charge both on the Iron Islands & King's Landing.
Robert's family is so messed up. Robert himself sleeps around siring bastards everywhere, but has no legitimate children. Stannis has a wife that can't seem to produce any children, and he only has a single female heir. And Renly is so gay he can't get it up for Margaery. No way he'll be siring children. Robert would either have to take a new wife and start putting kids in her, legitimize a bastard (which the realm wouldn't be happy about), or pass it to stannis who would then pass it to a girl (which the realm wouldn't be happy about). His line seemed destined to end.
No Robert isn’t like that. He was only like that to keep the peace with his wife and his best friend when it comes to the dire wolf and Ned being stabbed by Jamie. Once he finds out about Cersei and Jaime there is no playing both sides, he’s choose Ned’s side 100%
Strategically speaking, the Margaery marriage makes a lot of sense. It completely eliminates the possibility of Tywin trying anything (he can't dream of winning against Robert's alliance + The Reach combined) and gives the crown a very rich alternative backer in the form of the second wealthiest house in the realm... much needed given the crown's debt. I don't imagine Robert would be into the marriage beyond the political (and the sex now again, lol), but he wasn't into the marriage with Cersei for any reason beyond that either so that might not stop him. Also helps that Margaery (show Margaery in particular) is FAR less emotionally driven than Cersei and doesn't seem to care at all whether her King "loves" her as long as she's able to function as Queen. Ironically, Robert may *like* Margaery's eagerness to play politics since it excuses him to do anything else but. He wants to be hands off unless it's battle, she wants to be hands-on if its in court. Win win. I could see it happening, if Renly and Ned convince him.
Ya'll forgot Olenna Tyrell. Feel Like She Would 100% be convincing her family not to trust Tywin's claims. Also, it is absolute that Aegon and King Vis both did have the vision of 'the prince that was promised', being 'his will be a song of ice and fire' so- whether it's dany or jon, someone has to live in whatever other scenario here, even if Robert had survived.
Tywin just goes to the Iron Bank and says that the Crown will not pay their debt, and the only way to recover their loss is to aid his house with mercenaries and assassins
Cersei and Jaime would 100% be put to the sword. The only shot they have at surviving is a trial by combat with Cersei naming The Mountain as her champion, which would be in character for her and Jaime naming himself as his own champion. But even then, due to the severity of their crimes, Robert might abuse his power and refuse them a trial of combat and have them executed on the spot. Tywin’s hands would be tied. He’d have lost his only heir (in his eyes) and it’d be pointless for him to even consider raising up arms against Robert. For what purpose? It’d just be another Greyjoy rebellion, just lengthier and a little bit more challenging. Tywin can’t take on Robert as King, the realm would stand by Robert and crush Tywin. Tywin would be forced to accept Robert’s verdict and denounce his dead children and bargain to have their kids legitimised - purely because he doesn’t want to make Tyrion heir of Casterly Rock. Robert would probably decline that offer, but it’s not that 100%, it really depends on what Ned advises him. I don’t think Robert would want to legitimise them, but Ned could persuade him to do so to keep a peaceful relationship with Tywin. Tywin would then probably play the long game and maybe try to interfere with Daenerys’ campaign, hoping that she might re-claim her throne & try to position himself in a way that seals the future of House Lannister. There’d be no rebellions in the North, no one would dare move in on Winterfell whilst Ned Stark was alive, let alone Robert. And even if they did, any opposition would be squashed by a kingdom that’s still united under Robert’s fist. Robert would legitimise his bastard and grant him heirship to the Iron Throne. This could spark a semi-rebellion after he dies in this timeline, with possibly Renly trying to usurp the throne from Robert’s bastard child, but I don’t think Stannis would allow it - being as dutiful as he is. The only real threat to Robert’s reign would be Daenerys. And with a realm still united under his cause, they’d stand a better chance at combating her, but the dragons obviously change everything. I think Robert (and probably Ned at this point) would up the assassination attempts the moment it became apparent that Danny had dragons.
Oh I forgot to mention that the Tyrells would definitely move the moment Robert became single and he’d probably end up marrying Margaery. That’s more likely than him legitimising his bastard sons.
If Robert lived, here is how I would see it going, in the show Tyrion was captured on his way to the Vale, and Jamie ran off to seek his father, just as Robert went off to drink and hunt over the cluster fuck in his mind of Ned's actions. Circe in the book and show was already plotting to kill Robert Baratheon and even attempted in the tourney by using reverse psychology on him so he'd enter the melee and be killed by an unblunted sword. Now with this failed one Eddard Stark still discovers what he discovers in the meantime and sends out the king's men after The Mountain once pillaging starts with that psycho. That still happens and Circe is still warned and I think she conspires with Peter Baelish and the captain of the gold cloaks with promises in between her legs and gold and positions once Joffery is on the throne, I think she'd be crazy enough to try and with Lannister guards, 2000 gold cloaks and Peter wanting Ned out of the way they could have a chance of doing it, but with the king's guard, Stark house guard and Renly's 200 men and personal guard they could last long enough to convince the lower gold cloaks to betrayer their superiors in exchange for a share in the gold of Casterly Rock and also long enough to send word to the rest of the seven kingdoms that the Lannisters have betrayed the king and that their lives are forfeit. Dorn would answer that with bells on and spear in hand. I think Circe fucks up royally lol pun intended and basically Tywin leaves the seven kingdoms knowing he can't fight all the houses and even drags Jamie with him tied up. Tyrion is basically dead, and Robert is turned into a war machine because he knows no pain in war as he was in the show already preparing for wars and conflicts when he confided in Ned. long term I see him Marrying Margary Tyrell and Stannis actually being rewarded slash tasked with taking over the Westlands as its new warden of the West. Robert fathered son after son, and Ned slowly watched Arya become an excellent fencer while Sansa was sent back to Winterfell. Robert Stark will eventually hear the word of the men of the night's watch and may take a stance to substantiate what they mean by the dead rising. I think with Robert now not drinking is even worse for the kingdom as he's a barrel of wildfire ready to go up. I think the spider Varyes uses Tywin's exile to advantage to bring back Dany into the fold as he was planning on overthrowing Robert to begin with. Now with a vengeful Jamie and Tywin and Dani without Khal Drogo, Tywin sees the little queen as his only chance to go back to the seven kingdoms and for Jamie to be king. I think Tywin in Essos is dangerous, sexy and scary all rolled into one. Would Dani be convinced of Tywin's usefulness, no clue but the thought of a vengeful even deadlier Jamie who would train and train till he was raw and ragged and could swing a blade to damn near perfection, I'd love to see how it rolls with Dani looking at the man that killed her father. Would it be a one-episode mess? Maybe, probably, but Tywin is armoured in swagger so if anybody had a chance out of the Lannisters it would be Tyrion and Tywin.
I can imagine a scene going like this: Ned request Robert if he can speak about something with him. First Ned talks about the book and the lineage’s, Robert would laugh and says that “Get your head out of that book Ned, You sound like a maester.” Then would request his Vayon Poole to let the bastards in. Aedric looks proud, Gendry looks nervous and Maya looks happy to see her dad again (maybe there are two extra to help bring the point home). Ned start talking about his bastards and Robert would joke that Gendry could be Renly’s. Ned would speak about how one of the extra bastard’s mother was blonde and but despite that they all look like him. Ned speaks about the book again. At this point Robert’s smile drops and yells at Ned to stop talking. He walks to a seat and sits, he takes off his crown and looks at it dejected. “How can a king be such a fool Ned.” “The only I’ve done burying the kingdom in dept.” He says. “You or John Arryn should’ve worn this crown.” He looks up and makes a move to give the crown to Ned. Ned refuses and says “My place is in the north, Stannis is the heir now”. Robert grumbles a laugh. “Only you would refuse to be king of the seven kingdoms Ned.” Ned says that Jamie,Tywin and Gregor are burning their way through the Riverlands. Robert says he should’ve put Jamie down or send him to the wall for betraying his oath to Aerrys and laughs at the irony of it. After laughing Robert says that he has to at least do one good thing before stepping down as king and says to call the banners.
Lol nope. This is the same guy who sent his brother to end the rest of the Targs at Dragon Stone. Bobby B has no problem with killing heirs. He'd behead all Lannisters in King's Landing as soon as he knew
You all are missing my point. He wouldn’t want everyone to know that Cersei was sleeping with Jaime and that he was too dumb to realize they weren’t his kids.
@@abyssalbunny8942 I think if Robert's initial rage can be contained, she's killed quietly and there is a cover up. The alternative is the Robert kills her and her kids, and this upsets Ned and he resigns again.
16:53 I remember in the show a conversation between Tywin and Cersei, where Cersai just inquires about the Lannister Silver and Gold mines, and Tywin just basically says that the mines have been dry for years and they've been borrowing from the Bank of Bravos.
Ned tells Robert about Cersei + Jamie etc. Robert believes him, might take a day to get through to him (otherwise Ned quits and goes home, but it wouldn't come to that). Ned warns Cersei before telling Robert. Cersei and Jamie and the three brats head for Casterly Rock. Robert sends an army to Casterly Rock. Tywin either hands them over, helps them run, or fights. It's a losing fight. So he helps them run. They head across the sea. Robert wants to execute Tywin but Ned and Tywin between them talks him down. The end. 🤔
If Robert lives, Ned lives and there's probably no war until Faegon. Tywin's smart, he knows what his kids have been doing even if he won't admit and because of that he's had a patsy in place the whole time. To ensure he can save his Golden Boy Jaime so he isn't stuck with Tyrion as heir. He'd have Jaimie locked under Casterly Rock to keep him safe. While he throws Cersei under the bus, telling her if she wants to save her children, she better pin the Adultery on Ser Preston Greenfield. A Blonde-haired Kingsguard Knight from the Westerlands, who Tywin likely sent with her when she married Robert. Preston's already a known adulator, who sleeps with the draper's wife when he's out of town. It's like a Tywin last-ditch 4D chess move that was set up all along. Then he falls back to Casterly Rock with Jaime and Tyrion, with no hope of establishing any meaningful alliance because before Cersei's head can start to rot on the pike Robert's gonna put it on, he's gonna have his new young wife Margery Tyrell warming his bed with a true-born heir in her belly. but before Cersei meets ICE, she's gonna cast some doubt by denying any involvement in Jon Arryn's death(which is gonna come up ) and that could be enough to make Ned and Robert clean house. Pycelle, Littlefinger, and Varys. Replaced with Stannis, Renly, and if Ned can recommend Wyman Manderley to replace Littlefinger. he's pretty good with coin, and one of the few people fiercely loyal to Ned that has a bit of slyness. Since Cersei was the only reason he sent Edric away from court, and Ned's treatment of Jon as an example. I think he brings his 3 bastards to court (Maya/Edric and Gendry(on Ned's recommendation) No Crown backing, no reason for Rob to make any agreement with Walder. No Opening for the risk-averse Roose Bolton to exploit, No sign of weakness to make Baylon get cocky. Then The North/Riverlands, Crown/Stormlands, and Reach are all united. and Tywin on his best behavior. Barristan(even though he hates Ned because he thinks he plowed Ashara) stays now that Honorable Ned has helped get the kingdom back on track and Robert back in shape, by putting him on that guilt trip grind set for letting Jon Arryn die and almost usurped with bastards. Whipping Robert into the King he should be. Barristan stays, so Dany dies while Robert keeps his hands clean because the Warlocks did it via Manticore No beef with Ned or Robert then, heck they probably don't hear about it until Jorah comes back groveling or trying to take credit for killing her, but likely end up on the Wall with his Pops and in a weird rivalry with Jon for his father's acceptance. Everything being all good in the kingdom and him getting the boot screws Varys' Aegon plot. Dorne and the Golden Company vs. Six Kingdoms... 9-Penny Kings Part 2, With Dorne having beef with Tywin there isn't even an opening for him there either. The Young Wolf, Garland, Loras and maybe even Renly/Edric will have a chance to gain some glory by stamping out the final Blackfire rebellion. If Stannis, Robert, and Ned don't hog it all up.. But just like with the Melee Robert wanted to fight in, Ned's able to keep him off the Frontlines
But there's a problem ??? Ned convinced robert to not kill dany but only after his death jofry or tywin sent assassins so in this timeline dany might still live and who knows could see lannisters to side with her a lot earlier as enemy of your enemy is your friend as they cant be in position to rule anyone so rather side with less pissed dany rather than risk fighting baratheon and risk dying
@@sameersheriff7078That's before the dragons are a known factor. Once Bobby B hears about them and it's confirmed that they exist. He will definitely send assassins even if Ned objects and frankly I don't think Ned would object once the dragons are known about
@@Hakar17 I guess but in those turn of events might change a little bit considering roberts assassination attempt was thwarted by jorah during drogo's wedding and scorpion was actually sent by warlock kid as a revenge for against xaro in qaurth but selmy intervened and saved but eitherway without selmy i don't think so she would've survived that !!
Ned would surely try to convince her to leave for the same reason he gave her in the show, being that he doesn’t want to perceive her children’s blood being on her hands. I do think that Robert would go full berserk not just on her but on the whole of the House Lannister as both his wife and a member of his Kings Guard committed a capital offense. This could in theory give him grounds to default on his debt to House Lannister has he can use it as a basis for striking them down and naming a new Warden of the West.
I think it'd be cool if a buffed Robert died in some underwhelming way, like in cannon, but only after he just led the successful siege of Casterly Rock and won a dual against the mountain. I can definitely imagine him dying to a stray arrow's infection in reference to the English king Richard the Lionheart's demise. I can hear him now barking at Ned to "fetch that dam Lannister welp that shot me so I can congratulate him.".
Tywin's hands are tied if Robert lives, he can't wage war against the rest of Westeros. Jaime and Cercei are executed for their respective crimes, the only question is whether Robert can be convinced to spare the children but I wouldn't bet on Ned there.Robert marries Margaery, fathers a bunch of dark-haired children on her, the end. House Lannister is seriously dishonored, but Tywin bends to knee and meekly watches his kids die, knowing that they one hundred percent deserved it. He still needs a non-dwarfish heir to Casterly Rock, but that was the case already. Maybe this massive setback makes him reconsider Tyrion, finally names him as the official heir. Stannis comes back to court, forms an anti-Tyrell block with Ned against the growing Tyrell influence. The two of them probably have greater sway over the king because Robert's unlikely to trust his new wife or her family, at least early on.
I’m also going to add when one of us said Robert doesn’t take situation seriously do remember that Robert despised the Lannisters so this gives him the opportunity to cut ties with Tywin and the Lannisters and get rid of him and replace them
So let's assume that the divergence occurs when Robert slays the boar instead of dying. By this time, Tyrion has been seized by Catelyn, Tywin and the Westerlands are marching on the Riverlands, Jaime has fled King's Landing after wounding Ned and killing Jory. I think it depends on whether Cersei is still in King's Landing by the time Robert returns, because she is expecting him to be dead as per the assassination plan. But if she sees Robert riding in un-gored, I think there's a very good chance she gathers the children and runs. The question is whether she can do it without Ned and Co. noticing, but I think the promise of Lannister gold and the right bribes to the right people get Cersei out of King's Landing before Ned has a chance to speak with Robert, and for Robert to accept the truth. So there is a very good chance that Cersei and the kids are halfway to the Westerlands by the time Robert sends anyone after them. Assuming Cersei makes it to Tywin's camp safely (and assuming Jaime got there already), Tywin's got two of his three kids in his custody. And we already know Tywin will go to war over his least favourite child, and now his darling twins are the scapegoats of the kingdom? Nah, he's going hard at it . . . but the problem is, he's got no allies. He's already fighting the Riverlands, the North/Stormlands/Crownlands are under Robert/Ned's alliance, the Vale is neutral but would lean anti-Lannister for appearance's sake, the Reach probably would be aligned with the Crown because they sense an opportunity (not to mention the Renly connection), and Dorne hates the Lannisters. The Ironborn are a decent ally to have but Balon just got wrecked by the full might of Robert less than a decade earlier; he's not risking that happening again. The only reason he rose in rebellion again was because there was no unity after Robert's death. The Greyjoys probably stay out of the war entirely, or at least delay any sort of real response the way they did in the Dance. So what's Tywin's move here? He risks not just the death of his beloved children, but also his own head and the future of House Lannister. At this point, he's only got two moves. Either attack and hope that Lannister wealth gets him as far as it can (which is far but probably not far enough), or he capitulates and pleads ignorance to the incest/betrayal. He may even be able to plead for clemency with Robert for Jaime/Joffrey/Tommen and have them sent to the Night's Watch and Cersei/Myrcella to the Silent Sisters, in exchange for Tywin forgiving the crown's debt to the Lannisters. Tywin buys his way out of getting his house extinguished. Regardless of what happens to the traitorous Lannisters, I think Ned advises Robert to rename Stannis as his heir, as they still want to forge a new true marriage alliance with another house so that Robert can have a trueborn heir rather than legitimizing a bastard. I do think this is where the Tyrells immediately step up with the Margaery-as-Lyanna plan Renly's hatched. I think in the wake of the Cersei betrayal, Robert may be reluctant to wed again but all eyes would be on him, and come on -- Robert's not going to turn down Margaery. They just might keep a 24/7 eye on her to make sure she doesn't have any male interaction with anyone else but Robert until she's proven pregnant. So long as there aren't any fertility issues on Margaery's end, there will likely be a trueborn heir of Bobby B's in quick succession and things are put back on track. Robert is not likely to have any deathbed regrets over the Daenerys assassination plan, and if/when he hears about the dragon eggs hatching, he makes sure she's taken out ASAP, and without Barristan to save her, that side of things is put down. (I assume that there may be those in place to warn Daenerys of the coming attempts, but Barry's arrival seemed to blindside everyone and I doubt he would abandon the Kingsguard just for her.) With Daenerys out of the way, there's only left the nascent Aegon VI plan, but I think the realm is much more stable now that it is not likely to proceed as planned.
Tywin gets Joffrey to marry Danerys. (Joffrey subsequently eventually burned by a dragon.) This thus causes Ned to tell Jon who his parents were like he promised he would next time he seen him. Knowing Jon’s a Targaryen Robert attempts to kill Jon causing the North and Ned to rebel. Rob marches south and the Wed wedding still happens. Jamie having taken the black is now in the North and him and Bran have an adventure of their own. Having three Dragons now Tywin is in prime position. Cersei is now controlling and manipulating Danny and takes on a Varys Little finger role. And then… I haven’t finished writing my book yet. I’ll release the rest when GRRM releases his 😅lol
21:10 Dark thought but maybe Robert goes for Sansa? The whole "our houses will be tied by blood" or something to that effect that he says when he engaged Sansa & Joffery.
This is a pretty good breakdown! Spray I think it’s just to go a bit off back speakers jump to Canon events to see if they would still happen, instead of analyzing the forks that are created if different choices are made. We have to remember that while Robert was on the hunt Ned had already confronted Cersei, so she’s already on edge. If Robert lives, and we know that Ned lives long enough to see him return, the first question is how long it takes for him to convince the king of this betrayal. Then we have to consider how Robert would handle each member. Speaking strictly in the show, king Robert doesn’t have much compassion towards Targaryen children, putting in the books. It was noted that he didn’t fully agree with killing children. So they have a chance he would not want to kill the kids for being what they are. I think he would more likely try to have them sent, especially with Ned as his hand. I think both Circe and Jamie would be locked up to face trial. Although he would want them killed probably right away, we also know that at least in the show the crown is in debt to Lannister. We also know that killing both Cercei and Jamie would likely result in retaliation from Tywin. Given these factors, I think Robert and Ned would Summon Tywin as well. I think that Freys also only sided with Tywin because of his power and the broken promise, but with Ned alive certain promises could be kept or renegotiated. Likewise, Walder wouldn’t go up against the full might of the crown for Tywin. If Robert lives, there is too much stability in the Realm for all out war. Either Peace is brokered or House Lannister fights a losing battle. NONE of this includes the machinations of the small council… the question becomes whether any of them want to risk another way to kill the king and assume power. Could Varys or Baelish be convinced to betray the crown and support Joffrey’s claim before alliances are drawn? Would they be willing to risk it and would they see any benefit? Would they find much benefit in unseating Robert? Under him there’s been no real war, each has risen in power and could continue to influence the future without regicide. Tbh, I think most of the events simply get erased so long as Robert lives. The last question is whether Robert remarries to produce new heirs or names one of his bastards like Gendry. I think he’d be convinced into an Alliance with the Tyrells who are, in the show, the richest family with the largest standing army. (Assuming the marriage with Renly isn’t already secure-forgive my failing memory.) I believe the children are spared, Cersei is imprisoned or exiled, and Jaime…. Well. As much as he should be killed, I think politics would call result in negotiation because Tywin would never allow the death of his heir as we have seen. I think Killing Jaime would be considered as foolish as killing Ned was. Now in the Event that Robert doesn’t care for politics and decides to kill them, he’s basically okay with war against the Lannisters. Given this new position, though, I do not think Tywin would have enough allies to oppose the crown. House Baratheon would stand united. House Stark and the North will stand with the crown. The Vale and the Riverlands will stand with Ned and thus the Crown. House Tyrell will likely see an opportunity and stand with the Crown. No one would want to fight a losing fight. The Greyjoys would stay less relevant because they don’t care for mainland politics and only sided with Tywin because he has power
Not wanting to be rude but, you should make these what if videos more structured.. you guys talk in Circles way too much. You could have one scenario from one person and then the other goes or something more set in
Robert not dying would've been the best thing to happen honestly. But the thing is I love Danny too much and Robby was the only one to take her seriously even as a kid.
I reckon Robert would be beguiled by Margaery. She would work her magic on her Grandmother's instruction and he would be eating out the palm of her hand. A1 match. They're gunna have plenty of heirs.
Robert wouldn’t give up the chance to cut down the king slayer in single combat. He let Ned talk him outta the tourney, he would demand as king to be the one to slay the king slayer 😂
Let us know how you think events would have played out with Robert still alive
What if the assassin killed bran and caitlin
@SSJ2DN also the wicked witch of the north would be gone too
Tywin would go holla at the faceless men. Dead cert.
@@OurHiltsHurt true serious answer. Nothing happens. Robert doesn’t want to be humiliated. He swears everyone to secrecy.
Can we get a "what if Ned went ball deep in Cerse in the gods wood when she tried seducing him"???🔥🔥🔥💪
“Damn you Ned why aren’t you wearing the dress I gave you”
-Robert
Roberts love for Ned is going to need its own video
@@OurHiltsHurtplease do one
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Someone took him away from us, and seven seasons couldn't fill the hole he left behind.
The biggest hole I've ever seen/felt
That's what uncle badtouch said!@OurHiltsHurt
Bow your king bow ya shits hahahahahaha
What I think will happen? Bobby B makes the Night King revive Rhaegar just so he can cave in his chestplate again and then both go on to make the 8 together. The end.
Better ending then we got in GoT
Dany wanted to liberate the world. Robert would want to boff it.
IVE GOT SOMETHING THATLL WARM YOU UP
And they share a cold beer together, and the Night King finally made a friend, and peace was made, and brothels were packed.
@@slipstick985Together Robert, Stannis and Renly hijack all three of Dany’s dragons, cause the dragon realise they Baratheons are a superior branch Of House Cringaryon and that their grandmother is Targaryen.
Peak fiction!!!!!
The idea of Robert never dying makes me irrationally happy
Get in line
Id love a roberts rebellion series as well the 1st season with Robert just felt like a better show. They could probably make an amazing show out of the rebellion
@@OurHiltsHurtIt seems I'll be the next...
He is unironically one of my favorite characters.
Robert and Ned sold the 1st season and Robert and Ned are both fucking gold
Robert just loves Ned so much. I think Robert wanted to marry Lyanna just because he thought she was a female Ned Stark.
Exactly, Bussy Ned is all he wanted the whole time
@@OurHiltsHurt 😂
That's exactly what Lyanna thought as well!
Nah, Ned wasn't a slut
@@OurHiltsHurt 🤣
"How many of your bastards are blonde?" :: stares drunkedly:: "BRING ME MY HAMMER"
"does geoffrey look like he could even lift a hammer?"
If Robert lived, the Lannisters would all be dead. Simple Math.
Set them up. Knock them down.
There's more than Jaime and Cersei. (Tommen, Joffrey, and Myrcella)
What about Tyrion? Do you think Robert’s rage at the sibling’s treachery would extend to the black sheep of the family?
Tywin and tyrion could probably get themselves out of the shitter but cersei and jaime are screwed, joffrey, myrcella, and tommen might not die because robert has never offed children as far as we know and he's got ned keeping him from doing anything drastic
He wouldnt kill the kids i dont think but cersei and jaime yes tywin maybe
Tywin has no choice but to stand down in this scenario. Otherwise he’s at war with the Crownlands, Stormlands, North, Riverlands, Dorne, and potentially the Reach and Vale. The best Tywin can do is probably try to wave the Crown’s debt to the Lannisters in exchange for his grandkids being made legitimate Lannisters. I don’t think Robert remarries since he wanted to bring his bastard daughter Mya Stone to court. He probably legitimizes Mya and Eddric Storm his bastard son being fostered in Storm’s End
That's a good point about forgiving the debt in exchange for legitimacy
Renly was trying to get Margaery to replace Cersei. There’s a chance he’d marry her.
But I could also see Robert staying single and just legitimizing Edric Storm and Mya stone.
Who would inherit Casterly Rock then? Tyrion or Joffrey?
@@noamias4897 Tywin would never let Tyrion be heir so he would pick Joffrey only to eventually realize that Joffrey was worthless. Considering how little he cared about Joffrey death in the actual series I imagine he wouldn’t really care about him and may even maneuver him into doing something to get him disinherited. Then I guess Tywin would start training Tommen to be heir.
@@glowhoo9226This would inevitably lead to a succession war whenever Robert died between Stannis the Mannis, Renly, and the legitimized bastards. The brothers would be pissed that bastards were legitimized over them.
From what I remember Robert was genuinely concerned about the sort of person that Joffrey was becoming, with the whole slicing open a pregnant cat and all, so he’d probably be all to happy to get that spiteful little shit out of the line of succession. I think the only thing that he’d seriously consider is wether he should be called waters or hill
Agreed. Get Edrick up there with Bobby now
Joffery Waters has a nice ring to it
Robert would also bring Mya Stone to court, as he previously had wished@@OurHiltsHurt
@@vibechecker3168 Robert paid no attention to how any of those bastards were becoming.
He was raised in the Crownlands so it would likely be Joffrey Waters.
I love that most "What If" or fanfiction scenarios where Robert learns the truth have small moment of him thinking "Oh thank THE GODS that monster isn't mine", even if only briefly
If Robert had lived he would have called you gay
We would accept it and thank him for his time
I would literally pay Robert to call me gay
@@StoolGoodman same
He's the fucn king too. He wouldn't just call you gay, he'd make it law. You're gay now.
Thats a worthy price to pay for my king living. Idk how i would break it to my girlfriend doe
09:30 Imagine that. Jaime Lannister is on trial by combat for incest. Ned Stark is watching as hand. King Robert is absent. He fights Barristan, Barristan is old, he fights but he loses. But he wounds Jaime badly, going out with a smile. Immediately Round Two is called. Cersei's trial by combat, the gates open and out strides Robert Baratheon, in peak shape, wielding his hammer. "Come on Kingslayer. Let's see how you do against one that can fight back."
I just got wet reading this
@@OurHiltsHurt I'm not even going to lie I got a feeling Jamie would survive that
@@attiepollard7847 he could if he fought robert without having fought someone yet. in a situation like the one described nah bruh a wounded Jaime gets hit with that damn hammer bro he gone. might hurt robert tho.
@@goosemasongeeseman4158 but here's the thing l. I don't think round 2 would start right away. I think Ned Stark would give Jamie one or two days to recover because he wants a fair fight.
I can imagine Robert doing a Rocky/MMA/ESPN workout scene 😆
Bobby B leads the kingdoms into 10,000 years of peace and prosperity
Absolutely. The mother blesses him with eternal life on earth due to having the largest, highest density testicles in the realm.
Night King: Oh Shi..
*(Gets smashed in the face by Roberts Warhammer)*
Yeah, have fun surviving that fragile ice skull boy
@@OurHiltsHurt hotel Warhammer better be made of either dragon glass or valerian steel
Robert is so strong that he can kill the Night King with a steel warhammer without it shattering
@@patrickrichard5948 the man is fat slow and old
Azor Ahai turns out to be Robert, a drunken fat man with a hammer and zero fucks to give.
Robert was just in the middle of the greatest dirty bulk the world has ever seen. If completed, he would've been able to bash Rhaegal and Drogons skulls together like a cartoon character.
Gods... The dirtiest bulk known to man, yet somehow his body doesn't gain an ounce of fat. Pure muscle. Dirty bulk macros, clean bulk bf%
Bro would've turned into a deer buck alpha male during rutt season.
Ned literally says that the reason he tells Cersei is because he wouldn’t be able to convince not to kill her and the kids
So if Robert survives, he would kill all of them, make Jaime a wanted man
And like in the books, Renly would convince Robert to marry Margery
Yeah that’s the one thing I disagree with that the video says, good ol’ Bobby B would’ve 100% had those kids killed.
That liver was only gonna hold out for so long, but I imagine most of his scenes in season two would be in a whorehouse.
Or getting back into shape for the war that is coming. We need him back in shape.
He was at his best fresh out the muff, remember the Jon Con duel.
Oh true. The man needs to time it perfectly so he can be at peak performance.
Honestly entering into another war would do wonders for him. Dude was a shite king, and even he knew it, but he lived for battle.
A good war is just what he needs to pull himself out of his current state.
If Robert lives, there is no need for Robb Stark to be at the Twins. He marched because Ned was killed and he thought the Lannisters had his sisters.
Ned was already injured. That won't change. But now the Lannister's are scared about Rob finding out. They murder Rob with a northern assassin and then let Ned be murdered anyways.
In Robs mind he is in debt with the Lannister's. He doesn't even know that he is also in dept with the Iron Bank.
The rest kind of plays out the same way.
Both Rob and Ned are not capable of playing the Games of Thrones. They live for decades from the fame of the stories from the Rebellion.
Ned never was the fighter everyone thinks he is and Robert is a fat drunken fool. He doesn't has the stamina anymore he had as he was young.
@@stemill1569 But i feel only way lannisters could make it out alive is to side with dany by either bending or falling in her feet or whatever inorder to oppose roberts armies and goes into hiding till the dragons are grown enough to burndown roberts armies as dany might be more pissed at baratheons than lannisters given she didn't have much problem with tyrion !!!
He marched because Ned was captured, not killed, he’s dies after some battles have been fought by rob still he wouldn’t march because Ned wasn’t imprisoned
@@sameersheriff7078Dany does not stand a chance against the Baratheons cause the dragons would just join and bend the knee to Robert, Stannis and Renly cause House Baratheon is superior to House Cringaryon.
@@AerysIIFirstofhisname In an alternate universer though !!! lol
Bobby B ain't dead. He lives on in our cold, black hearts.
Robert is deep within all of us…
@@OurHiltsHurtit was awfully hard to pack him all in, but we managed.
@@OurHiltsHurt Deep within all of us ? Where are you going with this man ? Deep within ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@OurHiltsHurt except for cersei lol
Robert warmed into Craster and became the King beyond the Wall.
I think Tywin would probably throw Cersei under the bus and save his heir by having Lancel claim the children. He would find a way to get Jaime out of King's landing and the kingsguard and have him detained somewhere while Cersei's trial happened.
@themiskastler3084
Lancel was four years old when Joffrey was born, and nine when Tommen was born.
@@petebondurant58
He grows up fast ok?
- Tywin.
Literally only W's for Bobby B if he lived
1+1=Bobby B Beating them Boys
Something else that was put in motion pre-Robert death was Ned sending Beric Dondarrion to hunt down The Mountain. Beric was killed and resurrected like 4 times before he and his men heard Robert and Ned were dead, and it was after they were dead that the Brotherhood without banners was formed. So we still have Beric, Thoros, and his boys in conflict with Gregor and his men, but they still have the authority of the king.
Also Tywin was ordered to come to King's Landing to answer for The Mountain's crimes, without Robert dead before he arrives he'd still be on the hook for that and be there in person for the Cersei-Jaime incest allegations as well.
Without support I think The Mountain would eventually be worn down and killed by Beric and his men as Beric can still call on reinforcements while Tywin will probably have his hands tied.
That is definitely a possibility!
what if lannisters somehow sides with dany inorder to survive roberts wrath??
@@sameersheriff7078dany wouldn’t accept the support of the lannisters given what tywin did at the end of the rebellion
Man, I can't imagine a united Robert & Stannis. It'd be epic!
Imagine Balon thinking he could take them on
I know we’ll probably never get a proper show of Robert’s Rebellion, and certainly not one with Mark Addy, but seven hells that would be magnificent.
I can see a marriage pact between Margery and Edric Baratheon.
Alternative, Ned tells Robert Joffery is illigitament, and Robert says he knows already and doesn't care.
Lol that would be boring but yeah, I could see it unfortunately
Gigachad Robert would never allow himself to be cucked. He is the ultimate chad.
Robert chose Jaime as his champion so that instead of possibly getting rid of both of them, he for sure gets rid of one of them, and enjoys the poetics of the twins being the 1 to sentence the other for death
Good call!
Not bad!
Damn
But wouldn't Jamie be imprisoned anyways for his treason? How could he both be the crown's champion and accused? And besides, I don’t think Bobby B thinks that far ahead
Essentially, it would be a case of he cant say no. If he wants to be free and prove his innocence he has to fight and win. but this of course means cercei loses. And if he protects cercei by losing, he is now dead. Either way someone between the two of them is dying @noamias4897
Depending on where the kids are when Robert finds out, they might survive. Assuming that Robert's given enough time to calm down, he might let them live on in exile like the Targaryens. But Cersei and Jaime would definitely die. What they did was punishable by death and it's probably the deepest form of betrayal. I can't think of anything more underhanded. Like Ned said. This wasn't brave or honourable. It was poison in the dark. A knife thrust at his very soul. Unlike the kids, they're 100% guilty. He'd take them out.
Yeah, I think it's a possibility. I don't believe that Robert would 100% go into kill mode
@@OurHiltsHurt I love the channel, but I really can’t see him not killing the people that defrauded him.
I see him killing all Lannisters
@@dchristian1021I think he might exile the lannisters except for Jamie and cersei who're killed
@@michaelsmart1577 I don’t see Robert being that generous. If he can kill a baby they stand no chance once he finds out they not only betrayed him but did it basically in his face
The reason robert did nothing after jaime stabbed ned was because as he said he can't rule the kingdoms with the stark's and lannister's at each others throats
Excuses, excuses...
@@OurHiltsHurt having the richest house with a standardized army(a major flex in a medieval place like westeros) and a bunch of chad northerners at each other's throats isn't the best recipe for stability, that being said he should have done something to keep the peace other than telling them to kiss and make up like there are no deeper issues between both sides
@cantmossadtheassad9952 exactly but if it was revealed that she cucked him with her own brother, the fact that the lannisters have gold wouldn't save them from being at war with the crown.
9:56 Barristan also already has an "honor" bone to pick with Jamie because right or not, he already broke his oath by skewering Aerys
"NED!!!! BRING ME THE KINGSLAYER AND MY WARHAMMER....and some wine for later" jokes aside, all the dragons in the world couldn't keep cersei and Jamie safe from Robert
Ned tells Jon his true parentage. News somehow gets back to Robert (with some help from Littlefinger) and creates a wedge between Robert and Ned. Robert wants Jon's head and Ned refuses. Chaos ensues, and Littlefinger gets the chaotic situation he needs.
Fucking ladder
They should make a Game of Thrones prequel tv series about Roberts Rebellion but only in a Family Guy style of flashback cutaways.
“Hey Ned remember that time I smashed Rhaegar on the Trident? Ehehehe”
Lol sign me up
Arthur Dane gets backstabbed and instead of dying he lies on the floor clutching his knee going "sssss.. aaaaaghhh-"
Why would Robb be moving South if Ned is still alive and no longer in the dungeon? He wouldn't be. I don't think he would even make a move for Northern independence without Ned dying. Robb would stay North and as long as Robert and Ned are alive, there would be no war.
"Damn you, Ned! Keep that damn pin on your chest or I'll make it a Prince Albert!" 🤣
Here’s what I think could happen:
Cersei is executed. Ned persuades Robert to spare the children and they’re shipped off somewhere to be wards of lesser houses or maybe they’re sent to the Free Cities.
Tywin has to fight to defend the Lannister honour and to protect Jaime, but he has little to no chance of victory. Ned would order Robb to call the Northern banners. Robert calls the armies of the Crownlands whilst Renly Marshalls the Storm Lords. Oberyn Martell leads a Dornish army purely to destroy the Lannisters. The Tyrell’s offer Margaery to Robert as a bride in exchange for their armies. Robert would probably accept. Loras Tyrell takes Jaime’s place in the Kingsguard.
Balon Greyjoy does something stupid.
Lysa keeps the Vale armies at home.
The Royal Army commanded by Robert smashes Tywin’s much smaller army and forces him to retreat to Casterly Rock. Robert demands Tywin hand over Jaime for execution and offers Tywin a chance to surrender if he takes the Black.
Afterwards everyone goes and trashes the Iron Islands again and executes Balon.
Very good assessment.
I don’t think it’d escalate that far, I think Tywin would offer up Jaime and try to bargain the legitimisation of Cersei’s children (who’d then become his heirs). Although I don’t think Robert would accept. Best case scenario for Jaime is Tywin trying to leverage the debt he’s owed by the Crown to get him sent to the Wall instead of straight up executed.
Tywin wouldn’t risk the blatant and obvious obliteration of his house when he knows he stands no chance of winning. No amount of gold, armies, scheming or political manoeuvring would get him out of this.
He’d probably have to swallow his pride and name Tyrion as heir to Casterly Rock. Or be extra petty and swallow even more pride and look to his brother’s side of the family.
Yeah, the real question is whether Robert would legitimise his bastard son or take Margaery as his bride and produce new, legitimate heirs to the throne.
The latter scenario could create the seeds for a future conflict where Robert’s bastards challenge Robert’s legitimate heirs from Margaery for the throne.
@@SolFundamentum I don’t see Robert’s bastards rising up because he only has 1 acknowledged Bastard that could- Edric Storm- and I don’t see anyone supporting Edric’s claim.
@@SolFundamentumI agree.
Thank god, my favorite GoT TH-cam channel putting out a Bobby B video. If he hadn’t been murdered in such a cowardly way, I promise you that Robert, 1st of His Name, Breaker of Chests, would go on to smash the newborn dragons, and then single-handedly cave in the chests of all the Others. But alas, the poison slowed him down so that the inhuman forces of nature (a pig) could finally contend with his power level. Great work fellas, as always.
Appreciated brother 👉🏼👌🏼
🤣 I want the Robert training montage
Tywin would substitute The Mountain for Jamie in trial by combat
I doubt that.
He is by that point a common man stripped of his titles and sentenced to death.
He'd be arrested and sent to the chopping block.
It would've been a kickass plot twist if the Night King survived Arya's stabbing and Bobby turned out to be alive. He'd be like
"YOU WERE BESTED BY A LITTLE GIRL..."
And then destroy the Night King with his kingly laugh. He would then marry Dany because she wouldn't be able to resist his charm.
Bobby B has always been playing the long game. Pulled a laenor and faked his own death
I magine Robert using Lancel as a shild against the boar , and Tyrek instead of the hammer
Robert things to do list :
Get rid of Kingslayer and the cloth
Give Castely Rock to another family
Sent joffrey to the wall
Bring Edric to KL and marry him to Ned 's daughter
Based outcome
He'd probably marry edric to margaery, and mya to Robb, thus cementing alliance with the warden of the reach and the north through marriage
@@edwardheppenstall8690 I wonder if he would be able to find Mya , she and Robb would be a intresting match
Don't you just love it when the algorithm actually recommends something interesting and fun? You have my sub lovelies
You're missing the fact that in a medieval society, adultery against the king is treason. It's why, in some versions of Arthurian lore, Arthur was going to burn Guinevere and had to go to war with Lancelot.
Jaime and Cersei are screwed and Tywin would likely have to go to war with Robert to save his house.
Next vid should be "What if Our Hilts Hurt FINALLY made the Craster Video? | Game of Thrones"
The thought of Bobby B getting back in shape and personally taking down his enemies makes me so happy.
It would make sense too, he was already a heavy drinker and eater in the past. I think it was the warrior lifestyle that kept him in shape. And if conflict arised, I think he'd be secretlly very happy of not having to play peace anymore.
Jamie gets sent to the wall instead of murdered to not anger Tywin too much. Ned helps Cersei escape into exile and gets removed as hand of the king and sent to the north by a frustrated Robert. Tywin scowls at Tyrion in disgust and starts to think of ways to not make him his heir. Dany gets assassinated. They never go beyond the wall and lose a dragon so the white walkers can destroy it and attack.
25:20 I think if Robert doesn't re-marry then the war of the 5 Kings just gets pushed back & lines redrawn. The Tyrells' want Margaery to be Queen so if not Robert then either push one of Robert's bastards or Renly. Tywin will be scheming his way back to power. I don't think it will be immediate, I think he'll wait to gather strength & forge alliances before doing anything. Dorne will probably keep doing what they're doing in the books. Little Finger is still doing the whole chaos thing. Greyjoys' are a wild card highly dependent on who is in charge both on the Iron Islands & King's Landing.
the fact that Nad told Cersei to take the children and run tells you that he knows that Robert would rage out and kill her and the children
No man gives Balon his crowd. He takes his crown. He pays the iron price. That is who he is. That’s who he’s always been.
‘A stupid rebellion then’
@@hat7583 we were outnumbered 10-1!!!!😂😂😂😂
@@TheCmascagnimaybe in this alternative timeline the kingdom finally decides to genocide the ironborn
@@attiepollard7847 what is dead may never die!!!
@@TheCmascagni ohhhh believe me the iron born would be truly dead if they had the right king
Also, Stannis would probably come back to court and support Bobby b.
Any interesting video would be, what if Stannis won the battle of the Blackwater.
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Robert's family is so messed up.
Robert himself sleeps around siring bastards everywhere, but has no legitimate children.
Stannis has a wife that can't seem to produce any children, and he only has a single female heir.
And Renly is so gay he can't get it up for Margaery. No way he'll be siring children.
Robert would either have to take a new wife and start putting kids in her, legitimize a bastard (which the realm wouldn't be happy about), or pass it to stannis who would then pass it to a girl (which the realm wouldn't be happy about).
His line seemed destined to end.
If Cersei had a rack like she has in the thumbnail, Robert would've been a family man and the whole conflict could've been avoided
Bessy could have kept the peace
Not even Cersei’s fat rack couldn’t fill the hole she left behind.
That cersei thumbnail has me acting up lol.
@@leroyrodgers6089ikr lol
Cersei killed their son
No Robert isn’t like that. He was only like that to keep the peace with his wife and his best friend when it comes to the dire wolf and Ned being stabbed by Jamie. Once he finds out about Cersei and Jaime there is no playing both sides, he’s choose Ned’s side 100%
Strategically speaking, the Margaery marriage makes a lot of sense. It completely eliminates the possibility of Tywin trying anything (he can't dream of winning against Robert's alliance + The Reach combined) and gives the crown a very rich alternative backer in the form of the second wealthiest house in the realm... much needed given the crown's debt.
I don't imagine Robert would be into the marriage beyond the political (and the sex now again, lol), but he wasn't into the marriage with Cersei for any reason beyond that either so that might not stop him. Also helps that Margaery (show Margaery in particular) is FAR less emotionally driven than Cersei and doesn't seem to care at all whether her King "loves" her as long as she's able to function as Queen. Ironically, Robert may *like* Margaery's eagerness to play politics since it excuses him to do anything else but. He wants to be hands off unless it's battle, she wants to be hands-on if its in court. Win win.
I could see it happening, if Renly and Ned convince him.
Ya'll forgot Olenna Tyrell. Feel Like She Would 100% be convincing her family not to trust Tywin's claims.
Also, it is absolute that Aegon and King Vis both did have the vision of 'the prince that was promised', being 'his will be a song of ice and fire' so- whether it's dany or jon, someone has to live in whatever other scenario here, even if Robert had survived.
"Gods I had an appetite then,I could kill and eat 10 dragonspawn babes Ned,10 damn you!" - Bobby B 298 AC
The Chaddest asoiaf character
Also baratheon clears silver hair elves
Based and Bobby pilled
Robert beheads Cersie and Ned becomes his Queen Regent
What a wonderful world that would be
Robert lets it go. That’s the real answer. He doesn’t want to be humiliated.
Tywin just goes to the Iron Bank and says that the Crown will not pay their debt, and the only way to recover their loss is to aid his house with mercenaries and assassins
Tywin would kill him some other way.
Doesn't bother you kingslayer? Minding the door like some glorified guard, while your king eats and drinks and shits and fux?
Cersei and Jaime would 100% be put to the sword.
The only shot they have at surviving is a trial by combat with Cersei naming The Mountain as her champion, which would be in character for her and Jaime naming himself as his own champion.
But even then, due to the severity of their crimes, Robert might abuse his power and refuse them a trial of combat and have them executed on the spot.
Tywin’s hands would be tied. He’d have lost his only heir (in his eyes) and it’d be pointless for him to even consider raising up arms against Robert. For what purpose? It’d just be another Greyjoy rebellion, just lengthier and a little bit more challenging. Tywin can’t take on Robert as King, the realm would stand by Robert and crush Tywin.
Tywin would be forced to accept Robert’s verdict and denounce his dead children and bargain to have their kids legitimised - purely because he doesn’t want to make Tyrion heir of Casterly Rock.
Robert would probably decline that offer, but it’s not that 100%, it really depends on what Ned advises him. I don’t think Robert would want to legitimise them, but Ned could persuade him to do so to keep a peaceful relationship with Tywin.
Tywin would then probably play the long game and maybe try to interfere with Daenerys’ campaign, hoping that she might re-claim her throne & try to position himself in a way that seals the future of House Lannister.
There’d be no rebellions in the North, no one would dare move in on Winterfell whilst Ned Stark was alive, let alone Robert. And even if they did, any opposition would be squashed by a kingdom that’s still united under Robert’s fist.
Robert would legitimise his bastard and grant him heirship to the Iron Throne. This could spark a semi-rebellion after he dies in this timeline, with possibly Renly trying to usurp the throne from Robert’s bastard child, but I don’t think Stannis would allow it - being as dutiful as he is.
The only real threat to Robert’s reign would be Daenerys. And with a realm still united under his cause, they’d stand a better chance at combating her, but the dragons obviously change everything.
I think Robert (and probably Ned at this point) would up the assassination attempts the moment it became apparent that Danny had dragons.
Oh I forgot to mention that the Tyrells would definitely move the moment Robert became single and he’d probably end up marrying Margaery. That’s more likely than him legitimising his bastard sons.
I think he'd remarry and try to make more sons before legitimizing his bastards, but the rest of this 100% yes
If Robert lived, here is how I would see it going, in the show Tyrion was captured on his way to the Vale, and Jamie ran off to seek his father, just as Robert went off to drink and hunt over the cluster fuck in his mind of Ned's actions. Circe in the book and show was already plotting to kill Robert Baratheon and even attempted in the tourney by using reverse psychology on him so he'd enter the melee and be killed by an unblunted sword. Now with this failed one Eddard Stark still discovers what he discovers in the meantime and sends out the king's men after The Mountain once pillaging starts with that psycho. That still happens and Circe is still warned and I think she conspires with Peter Baelish and the captain of the gold cloaks with promises in between her legs and gold and positions once Joffery is on the throne, I think she'd be crazy enough to try and with Lannister guards, 2000 gold cloaks and Peter wanting Ned out of the way they could have a chance of doing it, but with the king's guard, Stark house guard and Renly's 200 men and personal guard they could last long enough to convince the lower gold cloaks to betrayer their superiors in exchange for a share in the gold of Casterly Rock and also long enough to send word to the rest of the seven kingdoms that the Lannisters have betrayed the king and that their lives are forfeit. Dorn would answer that with bells on and spear in hand. I think Circe fucks up royally lol pun intended and basically Tywin leaves the seven kingdoms knowing he can't fight all the houses and even drags Jamie with him tied up. Tyrion is basically dead, and Robert is turned into a war machine because he knows no pain in war as he was in the show already preparing for wars and conflicts when he confided in Ned. long term I see him Marrying Margary Tyrell and Stannis actually being rewarded slash tasked with taking over the Westlands as its new warden of the West. Robert fathered son after son, and Ned slowly watched Arya become an excellent fencer while Sansa was sent back to Winterfell. Robert Stark will eventually hear the word of the men of the night's watch and may take a stance to substantiate what they mean by the dead rising. I think with Robert now not drinking is even worse for the kingdom as he's a barrel of wildfire ready to go up. I think the spider Varyes uses Tywin's exile to advantage to bring back Dany into the fold as he was planning on overthrowing Robert to begin with. Now with a vengeful Jamie and Tywin and Dani without Khal Drogo, Tywin sees the little queen as his only chance to go back to the seven kingdoms and for Jamie to be king. I think Tywin in Essos is dangerous, sexy and scary all rolled into one. Would Dani be convinced of Tywin's usefulness, no clue but the thought of a vengeful even deadlier Jamie who would train and train till he was raw and ragged and could swing a blade to damn near perfection, I'd love to see how it rolls with Dani looking at the man that killed her father. Would it be a one-episode mess? Maybe, probably, but Tywin is armoured in swagger so if anybody had a chance out of the Lannisters it would be Tyrion and Tywin.
I can imagine a scene going like this:
Ned request Robert if he can speak about something with him.
First Ned talks about the book and the lineage’s, Robert would laugh and says that “Get your head out of that book Ned, You sound like a maester.”
Then would request his Vayon Poole to let the bastards in.
Aedric looks proud, Gendry looks nervous and Maya looks happy to see her dad again (maybe there are two extra to help bring the point home).
Ned start talking about his bastards and Robert would joke that Gendry could be Renly’s.
Ned would speak about how one of the extra bastard’s mother was blonde and but despite that they all look like him.
Ned speaks about the book again.
At this point Robert’s smile drops and yells at Ned to stop talking.
He walks to a seat and sits, he takes off his crown and looks at it dejected.
“How can a king be such a fool Ned.”
“The only I’ve done burying the kingdom in dept.” He says.
“You or John Arryn should’ve worn this crown.”
He looks up and makes a move to give the crown to Ned.
Ned refuses and says “My place is in the north, Stannis is the heir now”.
Robert grumbles a laugh.
“Only you would refuse to be king of the seven kingdoms Ned.”
Ned says that Jamie,Tywin and Gregor are burning their way through the Riverlands.
Robert says he should’ve put Jamie down or send him to the wall for betraying his oath to Aerrys and laughs at the irony of it.
After laughing Robert says that he has to at least do one good thing before stepping down as king and says to call the banners.
Serious answer. Robert won’t want to look bad and be embarrassed. He ignores Ned and orders the Council to keep it quiet.
Nah he would kill them, Rob is a wrathful dude. He might do it quietly as he has never had an issue with that kind of thing.
Lol nope. This is the same guy who sent his brother to end the rest of the Targs at Dragon Stone. Bobby B has no problem with killing heirs. He'd behead all Lannisters in King's Landing as soon as he knew
You all are missing my point. He wouldn’t want everyone to know that Cersei was sleeping with Jaime and that he was too dumb to realize they weren’t his kids.
I think robert hates Cersi enough to take the embarrassment just to get rid of her.
@@abyssalbunny8942 I think if Robert's initial rage can be contained, she's killed quietly and there is a cover up. The alternative is the Robert kills her and her kids, and this upsets Ned and he resigns again.
16:53 I remember in the show a conversation between Tywin and Cersei, where Cersai just inquires about the Lannister Silver and Gold mines, and Tywin just basically says that the mines have been dry for years and they've been borrowing from the Bank of Bravos.
Ned tells Robert about Cersei + Jamie etc. Robert believes him, might take a day to get through to him (otherwise Ned quits and goes home, but it wouldn't come to that). Ned warns Cersei before telling Robert. Cersei and Jamie and the three brats head for Casterly Rock. Robert sends an army to Casterly Rock. Tywin either hands them over, helps them run, or fights. It's a losing fight. So he helps them run. They head across the sea. Robert wants to execute Tywin but Ned and Tywin between them talks him down. The end. 🤔
Possibly!
That picture of Bobby B makes me laugh everytime I see it 😂😂
If Robert lives, Ned lives and there's probably no war until Faegon. Tywin's smart, he knows what his kids have been doing even if he won't admit and because of that he's had a patsy in place the whole time. To ensure he can save his Golden Boy Jaime so he isn't stuck with Tyrion as heir.
He'd have Jaimie locked under Casterly Rock to keep him safe. While he throws Cersei under the bus, telling her if she wants to save her children, she better pin the Adultery on Ser Preston Greenfield. A Blonde-haired Kingsguard Knight from the Westerlands, who Tywin likely sent with her when she married Robert. Preston's already a known adulator, who sleeps with the draper's wife when he's out of town.
It's like a Tywin last-ditch 4D chess move that was set up all along. Then he falls back to Casterly Rock with Jaime and Tyrion,
with no hope of establishing any meaningful alliance because before Cersei's head can start to rot on the pike Robert's gonna put it on,
he's gonna have his new young wife Margery Tyrell warming his bed with a true-born heir in her belly.
but before Cersei meets ICE, she's gonna cast some doubt by denying any involvement in Jon Arryn's death(which is gonna come up )
and that could be enough to make Ned and Robert clean house. Pycelle, Littlefinger, and Varys. Replaced with Stannis, Renly, and if Ned can recommend
Wyman Manderley to replace Littlefinger. he's pretty good with coin, and one of the few people fiercely loyal to Ned that has a bit of slyness.
Since Cersei was the only reason he sent Edric away from court, and Ned's treatment of Jon as an example. I think he brings his 3 bastards to court (Maya/Edric and Gendry(on Ned's recommendation)
No Crown backing, no reason for Rob to make any agreement with Walder. No Opening for the risk-averse Roose Bolton to exploit,
No sign of weakness to make Baylon get cocky. Then The North/Riverlands, Crown/Stormlands, and Reach are all united. and Tywin on his best behavior.
Barristan(even though he hates Ned because he thinks he plowed Ashara) stays now that Honorable Ned has helped get the kingdom back on track and Robert back in shape, by putting him on that guilt trip grind set for letting Jon Arryn die and almost usurped with bastards.
Whipping Robert into the King he should be. Barristan stays, so Dany dies while Robert keeps his hands clean because the Warlocks did it via Manticore
No beef with Ned or Robert then, heck they probably don't hear about it until Jorah comes back groveling or trying to take credit for killing her, but likely end up on the Wall with his Pops and in a weird rivalry with Jon for his father's acceptance.
Everything being all good in the kingdom and him getting the boot screws Varys' Aegon plot. Dorne and the Golden Company vs. Six Kingdoms...
9-Penny Kings Part 2, With Dorne having beef with Tywin there isn't even an opening for him there either.
The Young Wolf, Garland, Loras and maybe even Renly/Edric will have a chance to gain some glory by stamping out the final Blackfire rebellion.
If Stannis, Robert, and Ned don't hog it all up.. But just like with the Melee Robert wanted to fight in, Ned's able to keep him off the Frontlines
But there's a problem ??? Ned convinced robert to not kill dany but only after his death jofry or tywin sent assassins so in this timeline dany might still live and who knows could see lannisters to side with her a lot earlier as enemy of your enemy is your friend as they cant be in position to rule anyone so rather side with less pissed dany rather than risk fighting baratheon and risk dying
@@sameersheriff7078That's before the dragons are a known factor. Once Bobby B hears about them and it's confirmed that they exist. He will definitely send assassins even if Ned objects and frankly I don't think Ned would object once the dragons are known about
@@Hakar17 I guess but in those turn of events might change a little bit considering roberts assassination attempt was thwarted by jorah during drogo's wedding and scorpion was actually sent by warlock kid as a revenge for against xaro in qaurth but selmy intervened and saved but eitherway without selmy i don't think so she would've survived that !!
Ned would surely try to convince her to leave for the same reason he gave her in the show, being that he doesn’t want to perceive her children’s blood being on her hands.
I do think that Robert would go full berserk not just on her but on the whole of the House Lannister as both his wife and a member of his Kings Guard committed a capital offense. This could in theory give him grounds to default on his debt to House Lannister has he can use it as a basis for striking them down and naming a new Warden of the West.
King Bobby b supremacy
Long May he live and reign
Also, keep in mind, that one of the reasons Robert was so tolerant, was that he owed a sh*tload of money to Tywin
Can you do a “What If” on what If Robert and Ned called the Banners and went beyond the Wall. To deal with the king beyond the wall
What if....jaime protected rhagar's wife and children or what if rhagars wife and children escaped kings landing before the sacking of kings landing.
I think it'd be cool if a buffed Robert died in some underwhelming way, like in cannon, but only after he just led the successful siege of Casterly Rock and won a dual against the mountain. I can definitely imagine him dying to a stray arrow's infection in reference to the English king Richard the Lionheart's demise. I can hear him now barking at Ned to "fetch that dam Lannister welp that shot me so I can congratulate him.".
"The big book of people's hair colors" 😂
I think it's a first edition
Tywin's hands are tied if Robert lives, he can't wage war against the rest of Westeros. Jaime and Cercei are executed for their respective crimes, the only question is whether Robert can be convinced to spare the children but I wouldn't bet on Ned there.Robert marries Margaery, fathers a bunch of dark-haired children on her, the end.
House Lannister is seriously dishonored, but Tywin bends to knee and meekly watches his kids die, knowing that they one hundred percent deserved it. He still needs a non-dwarfish heir to Casterly Rock, but that was the case already. Maybe this massive setback makes him reconsider Tyrion, finally names him as the official heir.
Stannis comes back to court, forms an anti-Tyrell block with Ned against the growing Tyrell influence. The two of them probably have greater sway over the king because Robert's unlikely to trust his new wife or her family, at least early on.
You should do what if Jon didn’t join the watch like he stayed at winterfell or went to kings landing
Yeah that’s a good one.
@@OurHiltsHurt thank you
@@OurHiltsHurt also sending him to be a ward is an option
He should go to House Reed
@@OurHiltsHurt you’ll be great at this scenario
I’m also going to add when one of us said Robert doesn’t take situation seriously do remember that Robert despised the Lannisters so this gives him the opportunity to cut ties with Tywin and the Lannisters and get rid of him and replace them
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also could you make what if Maegor I Targaryen had a heir from one of his six wives?
Maegor is underrated. Actually good for the Targs in the long run.
@@OurHiltsHurt to quote Order of the greenhand: Maegor the wise, Maegor the necessary ❤
So let's assume that the divergence occurs when Robert slays the boar instead of dying. By this time, Tyrion has been seized by Catelyn, Tywin and the Westerlands are marching on the Riverlands, Jaime has fled King's Landing after wounding Ned and killing Jory.
I think it depends on whether Cersei is still in King's Landing by the time Robert returns, because she is expecting him to be dead as per the assassination plan. But if she sees Robert riding in un-gored, I think there's a very good chance she gathers the children and runs. The question is whether she can do it without Ned and Co. noticing, but I think the promise of Lannister gold and the right bribes to the right people get Cersei out of King's Landing before Ned has a chance to speak with Robert, and for Robert to accept the truth. So there is a very good chance that Cersei and the kids are halfway to the Westerlands by the time Robert sends anyone after them.
Assuming Cersei makes it to Tywin's camp safely (and assuming Jaime got there already), Tywin's got two of his three kids in his custody. And we already know Tywin will go to war over his least favourite child, and now his darling twins are the scapegoats of the kingdom? Nah, he's going hard at it . . . but the problem is, he's got no allies. He's already fighting the Riverlands, the North/Stormlands/Crownlands are under Robert/Ned's alliance, the Vale is neutral but would lean anti-Lannister for appearance's sake, the Reach probably would be aligned with the Crown because they sense an opportunity (not to mention the Renly connection), and Dorne hates the Lannisters. The Ironborn are a decent ally to have but Balon just got wrecked by the full might of Robert less than a decade earlier; he's not risking that happening again. The only reason he rose in rebellion again was because there was no unity after Robert's death. The Greyjoys probably stay out of the war entirely, or at least delay any sort of real response the way they did in the Dance.
So what's Tywin's move here? He risks not just the death of his beloved children, but also his own head and the future of House Lannister. At this point, he's only got two moves. Either attack and hope that Lannister wealth gets him as far as it can (which is far but probably not far enough), or he capitulates and pleads ignorance to the incest/betrayal. He may even be able to plead for clemency with Robert for Jaime/Joffrey/Tommen and have them sent to the Night's Watch and Cersei/Myrcella to the Silent Sisters, in exchange for Tywin forgiving the crown's debt to the Lannisters. Tywin buys his way out of getting his house extinguished.
Regardless of what happens to the traitorous Lannisters, I think Ned advises Robert to rename Stannis as his heir, as they still want to forge a new true marriage alliance with another house so that Robert can have a trueborn heir rather than legitimizing a bastard. I do think this is where the Tyrells immediately step up with the Margaery-as-Lyanna plan Renly's hatched. I think in the wake of the Cersei betrayal, Robert may be reluctant to wed again but all eyes would be on him, and come on -- Robert's not going to turn down Margaery. They just might keep a 24/7 eye on her to make sure she doesn't have any male interaction with anyone else but Robert until she's proven pregnant. So long as there aren't any fertility issues on Margaery's end, there will likely be a trueborn heir of Bobby B's in quick succession and things are put back on track.
Robert is not likely to have any deathbed regrets over the Daenerys assassination plan, and if/when he hears about the dragon eggs hatching, he makes sure she's taken out ASAP, and without Barristan to save her, that side of things is put down. (I assume that there may be those in place to warn Daenerys of the coming attempts, but Barry's arrival seemed to blindside everyone and I doubt he would abandon the Kingsguard just for her.) With Daenerys out of the way, there's only left the nascent Aegon VI plan, but I think the realm is much more stable now that it is not likely to proceed as planned.
I like this one.
Tywin gets Joffrey to marry Danerys. (Joffrey subsequently eventually burned by a dragon.) This thus causes Ned to tell Jon who his parents were like he promised he would next time he seen him. Knowing Jon’s a Targaryen Robert attempts to kill Jon causing the North and Ned to rebel. Rob marches south and the Wed wedding still happens. Jamie having taken the black is now in the North and him and Bran have an adventure of their own. Having three Dragons now Tywin is in prime position. Cersei is now controlling and manipulating Danny and takes on a Varys Little finger role. And then… I haven’t finished writing my book yet. I’ll release the rest when GRRM releases his 😅lol
21:10 Dark thought but maybe Robert goes for Sansa? The whole "our houses will be tied by blood" or something to that effect that he says when he engaged Sansa & Joffery.
What if dany never had dragons? Dont mind me, just a dany hater.
Let the hate flow
She would be graped by the dothroki or die in the red waste
A lot of people wouldn’t have tuned in 😩
@@bryantblalock4173 they need the dragussy
Everyone dies cause of the Others. Good ending.
Robert marrying one of Ned's daughters might satisfy him somewhat, they are both 50% Ned.
Jamie was already with his dad when Robert died.
Right, but the idea is he would come back to Cersei if she were in danger. If he didn't resist and chill with papa T that is
@@OurHiltsHurt Tywin is not letting Jamie go back to Kings Landing without an army
This is a pretty good breakdown! Spray I think it’s just to go a bit off back speakers jump to Canon events to see if they would still happen, instead of analyzing the forks that are created if different choices are made.
We have to remember that while Robert was on the hunt Ned had already confronted Cersei, so she’s already on edge. If Robert lives, and we know that Ned lives long enough to see him return, the first question is how long it takes for him to convince the king of this betrayal.
Then we have to consider how Robert would handle each member. Speaking strictly in the show, king Robert doesn’t have much compassion towards Targaryen children, putting in the books. It was noted that he didn’t fully agree with killing children. So they have a chance he would not want to kill the kids for being what they are. I think he would more likely try to have them sent, especially with Ned as his hand.
I think both Circe and Jamie would be locked up to face trial. Although he would want them killed probably right away, we also know that at least in the show the crown is in debt to Lannister. We also know that killing both Cercei and Jamie would likely result in retaliation from Tywin. Given these factors, I think Robert and Ned would Summon Tywin as well. I think that Freys also only sided with Tywin because of his power and the broken promise, but with Ned alive certain promises could be kept or renegotiated. Likewise, Walder wouldn’t go up against the full might of the crown for Tywin.
If Robert lives, there is too much stability in the Realm for all out war. Either Peace is brokered or House Lannister fights a losing battle.
NONE of this includes the machinations of the small council… the question becomes whether any of them want to risk another way to kill the king and assume power. Could Varys or Baelish be convinced to betray the crown and support Joffrey’s claim before alliances are drawn? Would they be willing to risk it and would they see any benefit? Would they find much benefit in unseating Robert? Under him there’s been no real war, each has risen in power and could continue to influence the future without regicide.
Tbh, I think most of the events simply get erased so long as Robert lives. The last question is whether Robert remarries to produce new heirs or names one of his bastards like Gendry.
I think he’d be convinced into an Alliance with the Tyrells who are, in the show, the richest family with the largest standing army. (Assuming the marriage with Renly isn’t already secure-forgive my failing memory.)
I believe the children are spared, Cersei is imprisoned or exiled, and Jaime…. Well. As much as he should be killed, I think politics would call result in negotiation because Tywin would never allow the death of his heir as we have seen. I think Killing Jaime would be considered as foolish as killing Ned was.
Now in the Event that Robert doesn’t care for politics and decides to kill them, he’s basically okay with war against the Lannisters. Given this new position, though, I do not think Tywin would have enough allies to oppose the crown. House Baratheon would stand united. House Stark and the North will stand with the crown. The Vale and the Riverlands will stand with Ned and thus the Crown. House Tyrell will likely see an opportunity and stand with the Crown. No one would want to fight a losing fight. The Greyjoys would stay less relevant because they don’t care for mainland politics and only sided with Tywin because he has power
Finally the goats upload again. please release the craster video lol
It’s coming. We promise lol
@@OurHiltsHurti’m starting to think that Winds of Winter will be coming out before the Craster video 😫
"What if?... Janos stopped at imp.?"
Not wanting to be rude but, you should make these what if videos more structured.. you guys talk in Circles way too much. You could have one scenario from one person and then the other goes or something more set in
Bobby B's a Henry VIII analogue-he's absolutely chopping Cersei's head off the minute Ned tells him lmao
Bobby B my goat
Who else could it be
Robert not dying would've been the best thing to happen honestly. But the thing is I love Danny too much and Robby was the only one to take her seriously even as a kid.
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I reckon Robert would be beguiled by Margaery. She would work her magic on her Grandmother's instruction and he would be eating out the palm of her hand. A1 match. They're gunna have plenty of heirs.
I wish he warged into the boar and then went on a rampage in King's Landing
And the boar would wear his antler battle helm
“Whist if Eddard Stark told Catelyn the truth form the begining?”
He would have asked for more wine 🍷
Robert wouldn’t give up the chance to cut down the king slayer in single combat. He let Ned talk him outta the tourney, he would demand as king to be the one to slay the king slayer 😂