Issue here is the red wedding was able to happen because Jamie was sent back to Tywin to set the plan in motion. If intercepted by Jon there is no red wedding. Frey would not have made a move without Tywins backing. Same with Roose.
Why do y'll think is this magnificent being? JM told jon in book 1 after he deserted that Robb has better swordsmen than him in his camp & over 20k men, do you really think his one sword can make a diff?
Another issue is that snow is a bastard name if Jon were made legitimate then he wouldn’t be of house snow as the name snow is for bastards, white stark could work as there was a stark branch family named house grey stark and it isn’t hard to imagine Jon wanting ghost as his sigil
Brilliant opening man, my only small criticism is that making John legitimate whilst making his house name "Snow" wouldn't stick well due to bustards still being called snow. Seen some folk use "Grey stark" but they rebelled before. Maybe House White Stark, House Ghost or something similar that could work better. 👍
@@stfuioncare2520 the stark sigil is a grey direwolf on white Jon should have a white direwolf on grey like how the blackfyres inverted the targ colours.
Caveat. Karstark wouldn't have taken that many men to repel the ironborn, The Freys wouldn't have done the red wedding under current conditions, also grey wind wouldn't have been locked up and the surprise attack would've resulted in Walder Freys death. Walder Freys sons would end up inheriting the north, so the betrayal doesn't make sense. Restart assuming the Freys stayed loyal.
Yes. They would never name a lord's house with the Bastard name designation. Heck, it means every "Snow"--including Ramsay--would be considered part of his house.
I,love how most people agree with Alys and Jon be ship together and looking forward to their relationship. I hope Jon house is name Whitewolf then snow.
I believe a house bears the family name: Baratheon, Lannister. Tully.... If Jon were to be legitimized he would be a Stark. The direwolf is already a sigil of the house. To make up some kind of wolf name would be pointless.
Very interesting channel. A lot of fan fiction channels but this one feels like your listening to a audio book. Maybe it’s because I don’t like reading so I did asoiaf on audiobooks. So this is kind of like reading a book you’ve read before but experiencing it for the first time, if that makes any sense. Hope the channel does well and you keep up the interesting ideas
This is fun and I loved it, A few notes: -Jeor Mormont probably wouldn’t declare the arrest of Joffrey as that is against the vows lol -House Snow might cause some confusion as all bastards are named snow -and Jon wouldn’t be the heir as at that point Rickon and Bran aren’t alive. Primogeniture would take precedent
@@mattiasandersson8693 it’s contested ofc all inheritance was lol. Uncles, cousins, aunts, sisters, all come out of the woodwork the second a title is up for contention
So I know you took some liberties to make the story work but I have to concur that based on how you had set everything up, the Red Wedding still occuring doesn't make sense. Walder Frey is spiteful but he's still pragmatic. He only carried out the betrayal because he had the backing of both the Crown and the Boltons. In a setting where Robb maintained control of all of his houses, never lost Winterfell, and Roose didn't plot against him, I don't see Walder premptively trying to assassinate Robb just because of spite.
To build on that, when Roose toasts to the health of Frey’s grandsons, it’s a very clear threat. We see when Roose meets with Jamie that this plan is mostly Roose’s idea and it’s likely he is threatening the Frey’s if they don’t comply
Interesting idea but too rushed and as other comments already said with Jamie still being a prisoner the red wedding wouldn't accour. Also House Snow is a stupid idea, either make him a Stark or come up with a better alternative.
I think Jon Snow being called the 'white wolf' is a show-only creation. I believe a harder moniker for Jon would be 'the winter wolf' or 'Winters Wolf'. Most notable starks have monikers that represent their triumphs, personalities, etc. E.g, the Hungry Wolf, Young Wolf, Wild Wolf, Quiet Wolf. Calling Jon the 'white wolf' doesnt have the same ring as its counterparts nor does it distinguish or identify Jon from the onset.
House Snow can’t happen as it’s the bastard name Jon would choose his house name or could go with Stark but have different banners like white wolf on grey field
Its great jon got to fight alongside robb and all, but jon remaining at the wall is crucial. It's where he sees the wight walkers and learns how to kill them. Its where he learns how to become a leader of men.
6:30 Jon being made the Robb's heir make no sense since it was not established that Winterfal was taken by Grayjoys by that point and for all intents and purposes still has 2 brother (Bran and Rickon). I Robb decides not to kill Lord Karstark and send him home, he wouldn't send home also the Karstark army, since it represented about a 1/10 of the Northern Army and they needed "all the man they could muster". Now with Lord Karstark and a small retinue returning home with Caitlin in tow, there wouldn't be a need to sent Ramsey to take back to Winterfal (by Robb and Roose) since this could be done by a more senior member of Robb's staff and this would have be seen as a mission of great honor by Lord Karstark keeping him inline while also not allowing Roose Bolton any chance to take Winterfal... In the books, Ramsey managed to take Winterfal by Killing Ser Rodrick Cassel (who was trying to retake winterfal from Ironborn) but if Lord Karstark was in command and he had his retinue, it would have been considerably harder for the small Bolton contingent to betray the Starks, kill all commanders and sack Winterfall. And even if they did that, it would have been very likely that news of the action reached Robb and the the Red wending might not have happen since, most likely he would have killed Lord Bolton for treason...
I have no doubt Robb would legitimate Jon but Cat would do anything to stop it remember when Bran fell out and she blame Jon for it so I have no doubt Cat would do anything to stop it and I even bet she would try get Jon kill cause Ned gone, there nobody stop her from killing him, Rob would try stop her and knowing Cat she would try force Rob to choose between her and Jon or worst she would start a civil war, that how much she hate Jon and that the main reason why Ned never told her about Jon cause she would used him
Hey, I love your videos and would love to discuss with you about an idea I had that may make them more unique and have more feeling through the use of a game engine to create cinematics rather than just static pictures from the show. (P.S. I know this kinda reads like a scam but I'm genuinely very enthusiastic about this)
nice job some alternative story ideas are fun to imagine...but there are major problems with the fan fic...first, since this is a jon snow focused story WHERE IS GHOST?! u pulleda david and dan and without an explanation pulled away half of jons power and what makes him unique...also ur all over the time line...jon doesnt have long claw before he takes his vows...ned isnt imprisoned for that matter...cat doesnt release jaime til after she finds out bran n rickon are dead...robb hooks up with jane westerling cuz hes upset about bran and rikon being killed and loosing winterfell...after which the freys leave robb also roose bolton accepts tywins scheme after he sees the karstarks abandon robb...before all that robb was winning and his forces were strong and single minded...if in your fan fic the only alternative story line is jon leaving the nights watch all other story lines should remain the same unless directly impacted by his being present in either winterfell with bran or up in the riverlands with robb...mishmashing stories from clash of kings and storm of swords changing up the sequence of events that are all interlinked makes no sense...but hey its fan fic so do what u want but back things up with reason...and please give jon all his power back i.e GHOST
Issue here is the red wedding was able to happen because Jamie was sent back to Tywin to set the plan in motion. If intercepted by Jon there is no red wedding. Frey would not have made a move without Tywins backing. Same with Roose.
Robb also sleep with Jayne on the night he got the news of the sack of winterfall so that is too story is fun however
Why do y'll think is this magnificent being? JM told jon in book 1 after he deserted that Robb has better swordsmen than him in his camp & over 20k men, do you really think his one sword can make a diff?
Another issue is that snow is a bastard name if Jon were made legitimate then he wouldn’t be of house snow as the name snow is for bastards, white stark could work as there was a stark branch family named house grey stark and it isn’t hard to imagine Jon wanting ghost as his sigil
@@georged7059 Jon Whitestark or Whirewolf although Bloodraven and Bittersteel stayed Rivers formally
@@AegonTargaryen-x8p Jon would've provided council and been great in strategic planning
Brilliant opening man, my only small criticism is that making John legitimate whilst making his house name "Snow" wouldn't stick well due to bustards still being called snow. Seen some folk use "Grey stark" but they rebelled before. Maybe House White Stark, House Ghost or something similar that could work better. 👍
House Ghost is 🔥 what you think his sigil would be i think either faded direwolf or direwolf inside a skull
I was thinking House Black or Blackstark
If I recall, the new house lord chooses his own name.
@@stfuioncare2520 the stark sigil is a grey direwolf on white Jon should have a white direwolf on grey like how the blackfyres inverted the targ colours.
House Ghost
Caveat. Karstark wouldn't have taken that many men to repel the ironborn, The Freys wouldn't have done the red wedding under current conditions, also grey wind wouldn't have been locked up and the surprise attack would've resulted in Walder Freys death. Walder Freys sons would end up inheriting the north, so the betrayal doesn't make sense. Restart assuming the Freys stayed loyal.
Please rename John’s house
this is my reaction to this as well. house snow 😂
House Dire? House Whitewolf? Something like that
Yes. They would never name a lord's house with the Bastard name designation. Heck, it means every "Snow"--including Ramsay--would be considered part of his house.
Great work as always
Waiting for episode 2
what a gem of a video man, this is such a good story
Quite a good work mate.
Keep it up ...
Waiting for next part
I,love how most people agree with Alys and Jon be ship together and looking forward to their relationship. I hope Jon house is name Whitewolf then snow.
I believe a house bears the family name: Baratheon, Lannister. Tully.... If Jon were to be legitimized he would be a Stark. The direwolf is already a sigil of the house. To make up some kind of wolf name would be pointless.
This is really good. Keep up the great work. 👍 Can’t wait for the next part. Peace ✌🏻
Very interesting channel. A lot of fan fiction channels but this one feels like your listening to a audio book.
Maybe it’s because I don’t like reading so I did asoiaf on audiobooks. So this is kind of like reading a book you’ve read before but experiencing it for the first time, if that makes any sense.
Hope the channel does well and you keep up the interesting ideas
How can Jon be Robb’s heir if he now has is own house?
It’s a bastard branch like the Blackfyre. Jon is legitimize which means he’s the next heir after Robb and before Bran.
And it's cool
Because they're brothers.
This is fun and I loved it,
A few notes:
-Jeor Mormont probably wouldn’t declare the arrest of Joffrey as that is against the vows lol
-House Snow might cause some confusion as all bastards are named snow
-and Jon wouldn’t be the heir as at that point Rickon and Bran aren’t alive. Primogeniture would take precedent
Since robb legitimizes jon here, jon is now the second oldest legitimate stark child. So he is by default the heir until robb and jeyne produce a son
@@mattiasandersson8693 still due to primogeniture, it would pass it bran. Legitimate bastards would still be bastards, they can just now inherent.
@@SvenDzahov hmm. didn´t know it worked like that. you learn something new everyday I guess
@@mattiasandersson8693 it’s contested ofc all inheritance was lol.
Uncles, cousins, aunts, sisters, all come out of the woodwork the second a title is up for contention
So I know you took some liberties to make the story work but I have to concur that based on how you had set everything up, the Red Wedding still occuring doesn't make sense. Walder Frey is spiteful but he's still pragmatic. He only carried out the betrayal because he had the backing of both the Crown and the Boltons.
In a setting where Robb maintained control of all of his houses, never lost Winterfell, and Roose didn't plot against him, I don't see Walder premptively trying to assassinate Robb just because of spite.
To build on that, when Roose toasts to the health of Frey’s grandsons, it’s a very clear threat. We see when Roose meets with Jamie that this plan is mostly Roose’s idea and it’s likely he is threatening the Frey’s if they don’t comply
waiting for the second one
Interesting idea but too rushed and as other comments already said with Jamie still being a prisoner the red wedding wouldn't accour. Also House Snow is a stupid idea, either make him a Stark or come up with a better alternative.
I think Jon Snow being called the 'white wolf' is a show-only creation. I believe a harder moniker for Jon would be 'the winter wolf' or 'Winters Wolf'. Most notable starks have monikers that represent their triumphs, personalities, etc. E.g, the Hungry Wolf, Young Wolf, Wild Wolf, Quiet Wolf. Calling Jon the 'white wolf' doesnt have the same ring as its counterparts nor does it distinguish or identify Jon from the onset.
Love it the red wedding was so unexpected again keep it up 👍🏽 waiting for episode 2
House Snow can’t happen as it’s the bastard name Jon would choose his house name or could go with Stark but have different banners like white wolf on grey field
This is some pretty interesting fanfic you e got going here. Anxiously waiting for the next parts!
Instead of House Snow, maybe House Frost, Snows have been bastards for years
Its great jon got to fight alongside robb and all, but jon remaining at the wall is crucial. It's where he sees the wight walkers and learns how to kill them. Its where he learns how to become a leader of men.
This is really good keep it up
I actually really enjoyed this!
I can give you one line answer.
"He will be killed at the red wedding".
3 minutes in and already hooked
6:30 Jon being made the Robb's heir make no sense since it was not established that Winterfal was taken by Grayjoys by that point and for all intents and purposes still has 2 brother (Bran and Rickon).
I Robb decides not to kill Lord Karstark and send him home, he wouldn't send home also the Karstark army, since it represented about a 1/10 of the Northern Army and they needed "all the man they could muster". Now with Lord Karstark and a small retinue returning home with Caitlin in tow, there wouldn't be a need to sent Ramsey to take back to Winterfal (by Robb and Roose) since this could be done by a more senior member of Robb's staff and this would have be seen as a mission of great honor by Lord Karstark keeping him inline while also not allowing Roose Bolton any chance to take Winterfal... In the books, Ramsey managed to take Winterfal by Killing Ser Rodrick Cassel (who was trying to retake winterfal from Ironborn) but if Lord Karstark was in command and he had his retinue, it would have been considerably harder for the small Bolton contingent to betray the Starks, kill all commanders and sack Winterfall. And even if they did that, it would have been very likely that news of the action reached Robb and the the Red wending might not have happen since, most likely he would have killed Lord Bolton for treason...
Only Sam would be able to leave the wall with Jon those other guys were arrested and cannot leave at will
Just subscribed this was really good
Can't wait for part 2
The only bad thing is he would have never gotten longclaw
probably some of the best GoT fan fictions iv'e seen. i'd love to help out if possible
Jeor gave Longclaw to Jon after his vows were taken.
Katlyn would never say its good to see you jon 😂😂😂😂😂
This must just be show fanfic. Cause in the books if Jon had left the watch Caitlyn would have been PISSED
How would the Night King cross the wall without Danaery's dragon?
Got to wait for season im cooking up something epic
Didn't john already say the words before Rob marched south??
More!!!
I have no doubt Robb would legitimate Jon but Cat would do anything to stop it remember when Bran fell out and she blame Jon for it so I have no doubt Cat would do anything to stop it and I even bet she would try get Jon kill cause Ned gone, there nobody stop her from killing him, Rob would try stop her and knowing Cat she would try force Rob to choose between her and Jon or worst she would start a civil war, that how much she hate Jon and that the main reason why Ned never told her about Jon cause she would used him
I thought the opening text said the wife comes home lol
Sam isn't the oldest son
Yes he is. Dickon (what a name) is Sam’s younger brother and became heir when Sam was forced by his father to go to the Wall
Yooo 2nd part BUT change the jon getting his own house thing
Just a question
Where is Ghost?
House WhiteWolf💯
Por la tradición de las casas secundarias de la casa Stark no sería el nombre WhiteStark
Hey, I love your videos and would love to discuss with you about an idea I had that may make them more unique and have more feeling through the use of a game engine to create cinematics rather than just static pictures from the show.
(P.S. I know this kinda reads like a scam but I'm genuinely very enthusiastic about this)
Just make your own stories
Ser Jamie and Brienne would carve up Jon and the rest of those idiot's like walnut pie
nice job some alternative story ideas are fun to imagine...but there are major problems with the fan fic...first, since this is a jon snow focused story WHERE IS GHOST?! u pulleda david and dan and without an explanation pulled away half of jons power and what makes him unique...also ur all over the time line...jon doesnt have long claw before he takes his vows...ned isnt imprisoned for that matter...cat doesnt release jaime til after she finds out bran n rickon are dead...robb hooks up with jane westerling cuz hes upset about bran and rikon being killed and loosing winterfell...after which the freys leave robb also roose bolton accepts tywins scheme after he sees the karstarks abandon robb...before all that robb was winning and his forces were strong and single minded...if in your fan fic the only alternative story line is jon leaving the nights watch all other story lines should remain the same unless directly impacted by his being present in either winterfell with bran or up in the riverlands with robb...mishmashing stories from clash of kings and storm of swords changing up the sequence of events that are all interlinked makes no sense...but hey its fan fic so do what u want but back things up with reason...and please give jon all his power back i.e GHOST
Hodor?
I mean this is way worse for the stakes than the original story.
Brienne will make short work of Jon tbh😂
Put some respect on Jons name he'd last a while but yeah he doesn't stand much of a chance.
house snow is a shitty name
You give a lot of leeway to things that just logically wouldn't happen this is pretty low tier fanfic.