BEST Choke Constriction for BOSS Bismuth | Pattern Tested
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2022
- In this video I pattern tested six different chokes with BOSS Copper Plated Bismuth waterfowl ammo. I tested Carlson's Sporting Clays extended ported choke tubes in Modified, Improved Modified, Full, and Extra Full. I also tested the new Carlson's Bismuth Bone Buster Medium Range and Extended Range chokes. Bismuth enables you to use much tighter chokes than steel shot without blowing out the pattern, in fact the BOSS Shotshells continued to get better and better the more choke I used. What is surprising is just how much better the tighter chokes did compared to the modified. Any one of them would be great for duck or goose hunting, but some did exceptionally well.
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The shells used were BOSS (Copper Plated Bismuth) #4 shot, 3", 1.5oz (232 pellets), 1350 FPS. I did the test with the Mossberg 940 Pro Waterfowl shotgun with a 28" barrel. The patterns were done at 40 yards with a monopod and shot at huge paper. Almost every pellet was caught by the paper, but I counted each pellet in the core 30" circle to get the data. Choke initials were Mod, IM, F, XF, MR, ER. These results are also likely transferable for Kent Bismuth, HEVI Bismuth, Winchester Bismuth, Federal Bismuth, and others. Carlson's provided the choke tubes used in this video, thanks to them for their support.
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I use the Boss #4 myself and the results have been good with modified choke. Thank you for doing and posting this video.
Thank you so much!
As always, great job George and good information!
Thank you so much!
can't wait for the results!
Thanks!
Another great video. You have got me seriously considering one of those Carlson's Bismuth Bone Buster chokes.
Thanks! I'm liking it. It's not magic, but It's become by favorite all around bismuth choke. More tests with it to come.
Your the man. Thanks for the effort you put into these. 👍
Thank you sir!
Thanks for all the testing
You bet!
This was excellent material. Thanks for posting
Thanks you sir!
Awesome analysis, your videos are extremely beneficial!
Thanks so much Chris!
I just received my Boss 3” 3/5 shot. Seeing where they don’t recommend using wad stripper type choke tubes I decided to get the Carlson Bismuth Bone Buster tubes. Watched several of your videos and like what your doing. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much Rich! I have a test coming with the 3/5 as well!
Love your videos Bro.
Thanks you so much!
I really appreciate the video. I want to love Boss. Loved their philosophy after hearing a bunch of interviews with Boss on the NHG podcast and some other waterfowl podcasts. Bought some and had a really bad experience and swore off it. I was using a Cremator LR which helped me shoot great with steel. Never thought to go tighter than full. Thanks to this video, I'm willing to try again with a tighter choke. Thanks.
Try a tigher choke and try their new buffered loads, supposed to be super tight. I'll test them soon. The Cremator is also a very open choke designed for steel. I asked Carlson's if I should test it with bismuth and they said no, so I never got one.
I have the cremator MR and LR for my versamax, after reading these comments looks like I need a new choke 🤣. I also have a Carlson modified and a hevishot modified. Just ordered my first box of boss 3in #2, looks like I need to do some target shooting.
Great work man. My feeling has been a IC makes the most sense when using boss to get the widest pattern since it only takes a pellet or two of boss to drop even honkers and honestly I prefer an intact bird with as little shot in it as possible for eating. My max range pulling the trigger is 50yrds but results consistent.
It all depends on how your gun patterns! I've seen people getting 90% pattern with BOSS for them, IC is probably needed. Some have gotten 50%, they probably should tighten the choke some.
Another great video. Asked for info on running Boss thru "standard" chokes, and got pointed to this vid.
Sure wish Scott Carlson would do 16ga chokes, including the Boss Bone Buster. As it is, the choices for 16ga chokes from Carlson are pretty much a big 0. I'll look to using his IM and F in my 16ga Lightning.
Thanky you! I agree, not enough love out there for 16 gauges!
Great video! I would like to see you do a comparison between the Carlson bismuth mid range and Muller decoy choke
No contest, the Muller decoy opens up real fast. It's like a imp cylinder choke. The mid range is closer to full.
The best info
Thanks so much!
Man absolutely love your videos!!! You get to the point and give us the important details. What would you suggest choke wise for boss shorty #5s between 25 and 35 yards max. 90% of my shots are decoying ducks. Thanks for the help man! God bless , keep up the great work!! also love the podcasts!!!
Thank you so much for the feedback! I think the Bismuth Bone Buster MR is probably ideal there. and the XR for longer shots. But any improved modified should be ideal for that range.
Cool video! I love Boss! I’d like to see their 2 3/4, 1 1/4, #5’s, which is Boss’ most popular shell. If you’re shooting over decoys (say 15 - 30y), I’d probably stick with the Improved Mod/Bone Buster Mid (which is IM) or perhaps a .030 Lt. Full. You might end up with minced meat shooting that extra Full. Enjoy your contributions..
Thank you! I really want to test some 2 3/4" shells, I just haven't been able to put my hands on any yet. Hopefully soon.
I like the boss shotshells! Shot them at small medium and large ducks big Canadas and snow geese from 15 to 50 yards with briley light full and full out of my 20 ga over and under with no problem. If you hit them they went down! God bless and go get them in the marsh!!!
Thank you so much Jeff!
Out of curiosity, which size shot Boss 20 gauge for ducks and geese ?
I’ve had the same luck with my 20 and I live the #5
@@grousedog88 l like #5 at both duck and goose 35 yrds and under and #4 or the 3/5 blend beyond that
holy shit it's white aziz ansari
awesome video, fantastic content - thank you sir
Ok.
Oh wow they are all nice looking patterns!… if your looking at it as a whole and not just focused on the duck.
Yea, that is why I use the big paper. I've seen too many videos with just the little duck target and say to myself what if the core of their pattern wasn't even on that little target. You gotta have a bigger picture!
@@TheNewHuntersGuide lol me too man,,,
Dat Bone Busta 😮
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Great video but I’d like to see the data on the chokes themselves. My factory “Full” Benelli choke is tightest choke I own. I believe it measures in at .686. Carlsons Cremator “Long Range” measures in at .700.
Yea, I was thinking about that this week, I don't have the tools to measure the actual choke diameter, and that can differ from what is printed on them. I need to get those tools. What do you use to measure them?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Just a simple digital caliper. I think I got mine on Amazon for $20-$30.
@@genekind6099 Great, just added one to my cart. Thanks.
I’d love to see this shot through a Kicks High Flyer Full & Modified. Important to note that Boss has 3 different 3” #4’s for waterfowl loads. 1 3/8oz, 1 1/2oz & 1 5/8oz.
Also here is the factory pellet count for boss shot shells on their 3” #4’s:
1 3/8oz = 193
1 1/2oz = 210
1 5/8 = 228
I would like to test those chokes too. So, BOSS has 2 different pellet count charts that have been published, the one I used and the one you just posted. I actually reached out to them and they affirmed my chart as the better one, even though your chart is currently published on their site. So I suppose I just need to cut some shells open.
I would love to see you keep going! Slap some turkey chokes on that sucker and find out if there’s any improvement!
That is coming! BOSS just released their buffered bismuth load. Waiting for the 3" version to hit streats so I can do this test with the new one.
How about a test of best chokes for 2 3/4" Boss #6's for 28 gauge (especially Briley flush mounts)
It's a good idea, I just do not have a 28 gague yet.
Factory full choke outta a CZ1012 smashes em!!
Nice!
I just pattern tested my Rob Roberts custom Benelli SBE III with Boss 3/5 3" shells at 40 yards. Standing shot no support 30" circle. Rob Roberts T3-148 pellets, Carlson Bone Buster Bismuth ER- 123 pellets, and Rob Roberts T2-109 pellets. All covered the circle pretty well so I think any duck in the circle would be toast. I don't take many 40 yard shots so I will probably use the Carlson unless the birds are flying high or wide!
Awesome! Good hunting to ya!
I have a Remington Versamax. I can not find an extra full choke for it. Any idea where I can look? I looked at Carlson but nothing is labeled “extra full” thanks!
It looks like Carlson's has a full complement of all their chokes for it here www.choketube.com/product-category/12-gauge-choke-tubes/remington-pro-bore/ I might lean towards an unported sporting clays choke in XF. Muller also makes them for you.
I've spent a small fortune on shells, chokes,paper, fuel for the car doing pattern testing. You really need to know how your combo is performing.
I was at a skeet range explaining this to a guy. His reply?..'Choke doesn't matter'!!!
I asked him if he'd ever patterned his cartridges?.. his answer was no.
That man is an idiot!
Yea, I was shocked when I found out the old factory choke I was using got me 50% pattern and an aftermarket XF could get me 75%, that is a game changer for where and how I hunt. If you don't test, your efficacy will suffer for it.
defiantly should get a new cam it be a great investment for your channel
What do you recommend?
I would love to see this test done with #4 stingers
What’s the constriction diameter on the bismuth bone buster chokes? .700?
Thanks! I do want to get my hands on some stingers. The BBB is .705 is MR and .690 in ER
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thank you!
Question for you, which Carlson choke is needed for the 940 pro? I just picked up the 940 pro field and carlsons website seems to mossberg 835-935 but I think it’s recommending WIN-BROWNING INV-MOSSBERG 500 and just trying to make sure I select the right thing any help is much appreciate for what to select when getting my choke tube for new shot gun
Hey sure, the 940 uses the same chokes as the Mossberg 930 and the Mossberg 500. Which is part of the reason I wanted one, so I wouldn't have to buy all new chokes. It will NOT fit the choke from a 835.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thank you so much for the info it was a bit confusing on the website you rock and thanks for the content!
@@jonathonghowarth Thank you!
Would you say that modified would be good shooting boss at ranges 20 - 40 or should I change chokes?
Should be good for those ranges! But ultimately it depends on how your modified choke patterns. Past 40 yards, it may not be enough to hunt effectively, unless you are using WarChief loads.
Are the bismuth chokes coated inside the choke like the outside or is it just bare metal?
They are smooth black metal. Not sure if there is a special coating.
@The New Hunters Guide They must be coated then since I think they're made from stainless steel. I have a carlsons black cloud choke that's titanium coated, but it's only on the outside.
@@midwestoutdoorsman Yea, I am not sure. But you could always ask Carlson's they've been quick to respond to my questions so far.
Is the Extra Full the Carlson's Turkey Choke? I have the Carlson's Turkey Choke and was wondering if it is the same as the EF? Wanting to make sure I understand each choke properly. :) The reason I ask is because I have the Carlson's Delta Waterfowl set and it comes in CR, MR, and LR and trying to determine if I should but a new set or the Extra Full choke for my Bismuth ammo. I think I'm getting a bit lost in all the marketing labels. Thanks for any insights George. You are much appreciated!
Thanks so much! The XF choke is a 0.690 constriction. The Turkey choke varies from 0.680 down to 0.640, they make the turkey in 6 different constrictions. Would the 0.680 turkey work for this? Maybe, its worth testing. The Delta Waterfowls range from 0.720 to 0.700. So their tightest is not quite as tight as the XF.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thanks so much George! I gotcha and for some reason I was thinking the larger the number on the choke the bigger the choke instead of a smaller number reflecting more choke. I'll get my act together someday 🤣 I've got a pheasant hunt coming up and I'll be running my Benelli Montrofeltro 12g and using Hevi-Shot Bismuth Waterfowl, 2 3/4", 1 1/4oz, #4. I think I'll grab the Carlson's EF to see how it does. After I run through the Hevi-Shot, I think I'll be switching to the Boss Warchief based on your other videos. Thank you again for the great content and being responsive to your viewer comments. That is appreciated more than you know. I'll be checking out your Patreon! Thanks again ~ Karl
Thanks so much Karl! Yea, the smaller the number on choke constriction the tighter it is, smaller number means smaller hole. But there are multiple ways to measure choke, different scales. This is my preferred, and most chokes are labeled this way, even if they have other scales in the labeling too. Go get em in the woods!@@karlkiessling3785
Was the extra full the cremator ER? That’s what I’ve ran for 4-5 years with boss and it’s really good.
No, it was a Carlsons Sporting Clays EF. I don't have cremator, yet.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thanks
It seems they don't make the Bismuth Bone Buster in 12ga for Beretta Optima HP? WTF?
I'd ask Carlson's, they make a ton of stuff. Maybe it's coming.
Help me out a ton
Thanks
I have a test for you if you can make happen. How bout you and some buddies compile all your 12ga shotguns with different gun makes and different aftermarket full choke manufacturers and with same ammo (example - 12ga 3” #2 manufacturers don’t really matter), at 40yd. test to see pellet variations. I performed a small scale test myself with 4 different quality gun makers and 4 different quality choke makers and they were only off 2-30 pellets between all of them at 30 and 40yd. so they dont shoot that different what’s a few lost pellets when you average 130 pellets on target
That is a good idea! I'll give that some thought to see if I can find a good path forward. Thanks!
In another video, you said that any choke more than modified would demolish a duck at closer distances. Why are you choosing full or xtra full?
Most of my shots are at long range. Either jump hunting or pass shooting. Even birds that decoy often come from all directions out of the woods and land on the water before you can get a shot. We aren't often blessed with the flights of birds coming into the decoys from a far that those in the major flyways see. It's gorilla waterfowl hunting here.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide btw, great videos. I likem a lot. You walk and the others talk. You and Joel(surviving duck season)would make a good podcast pair or do anything to settle controversy. We all need enlightenment.
@@micahlowbe9067 Thanks so much! Joel is great, I wish we lived a bit closer so we could collaborate.
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Again, great video! Only thing I want to point out is this is only demoing a 2D scenario on a fixed target. Hunting involves a moving target so unless that bird is flying straight at you, this demo doesn't really show the effectiveness of the choke and the ammo. The following video did an excellent job on comparing shot string from various ammos using high speed video. Compared to other shells, BOSS had the longest (16ft) using the same gun and choke. This is disappointing. I do most of my shooting at about 30yds over pointing dogs so I don't need anything beyond MOD choke. In fact, I hunt mostly with either SKT1 or IC chokes. From the video, this is disappointing and BOSS should fix this. The shorter the shot string, the more pellets on target at the same time. Sure, the long shot string allows for margin of erros when leading a moving target but there will be less pellets resulting in more crippled birds. th-cam.com/video/fac-03JF3GA/w-d-xo.html
Hey thanks so much. I don't know if you've seen my recent video but I heartedly endorsed the new Surviving Duck Season series of videos. They are outstanding. I did see this video, hours after it came out. It is the best work ever done on the subject. And yes, it plainly showed that BOSS had a long shot string. However, there are no conclusions yet on whether or not that length of shot string makes any difference practically speaking. Or if any other bismuth loads are better. A 15 foot shot string at 1000 feet per second means there is a 1.5 hundredth of a second difference between the first pellet hitting and the last. For a bird flying perpendicular at 50 feet per second there is less than 0.75' difference between the first and last pellet on the moving target with a passing shot. Is that a difference, yes? Does it really make any difference? We really have no idea yet and cannot draw that conclusion from the limited data provided. It might matter. But I don't think the information is yet available to conclude either way.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide The whole idea behind Patternmaster and the Wad Wizard is their premise that the shorter the shot string, the more pellets on the target. Personally, I prefer a shot string but not a 16fter. Perhaps BOSS skimped out on quality in the wad to save on cost?
@@in.hindsight I've held the shot and unshot wads in my hand from BOSS, I can't tell any quality difference between them and any others. If some how they are cheaper, I'm not sure how. But in any event, we are still operating under an assumption that shot string matters. I haven't seen any data yet that leads me to believe one way or the other. And my math tells me that if it does matter, it can't be by much. A 15 foot shot string is 0.015 seconds difference at 1000 fps. 5 feet is 0.005 seconds. Even 50 feet is 0.05 seconds. That is five hundredths of a second between first and last pellet. Does even 50 feet make enough difference to matter? Can that question even be answered by anything other than opinions and marketing at this point? I don't think so. We don't know enough in all experiments and scholarly research ever done on the subject to know if this variable makes any functional difference at all in real-world hunting. I hope Joel is able to answer that by the end of his series. But it's not answered yet.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide There are a lot of videos of patterning and performance of BOSS shotshells. While it's true that the type of choke makes a difference in the result, that is true for all shotshells. Here are two videos that show the sub-standard quality of the wads used in the BOSS shotshell. The wads are shorter, leaving the front portion of the pellets to travel down the barrel with no buffer - don't know if this will damage the barrel in long term or high volume usage. Second video shows pellets are still stuck in the wad after being fired. Is this an indication of cheap plastics? I'm not a ballistics guy but these stand out to me as quality issues that could possibly explain the 16ft shot string. Other's might not care but a 16ft shot string at 40 yards is unacceptable to me. It is a quality thing. The only thing going for it is it's cost when compared to other bismuth shot shells. I really want to like BOSS but I'm seeing a "You get what you pay for."
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@@in.hindsight If those claims are true that certainly merits investigation. But I think some of it is splitting hairs beyond what really matters. BOSS patterns well on paper, it does good in the gel, and per Joel's latest video, shot-string really does not make enough difference to matter for the hunter. If some pellets get stuck in the wad but 75% hit the paper, it doesn't really matter. If some pellets touch the barrel but performance is good and the barrel unharmed, then it doesn't really matter. If the wad is cheap but performs well, then so what. I'm not like a BOSS pro-staff member or something but I'm just looking at what makes a difference on the range and in the hunt and none of these things seem to be moving the needle in any significant way.
Boss needs to be choked down because they're using regular field wads ("Diamante" H15 wad from B&P)... My first attempt at bismuth handloads patterned 85% at 40 yards in a factory light modified choke (.715)... Would be a turkey load with anything tighter.
Overall, I think boss is overrated. Their shot is deformed, and payload weights all over the place.
Have you found other bismuth brands to have better shaped shot and more consistency?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Winchester uses a tin plated bismuth that looks good-- surprisingly.
@@saltcreekammo Gotcha, I've handled some others that were downright scary looking. In fact I'm doing a video on this exact subject.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide would be great to see you dissect some shells and see how consistent they are with powder charges and payload weight... I tore apart a BOSS 2-3/4", 1.25 oz load and it weighed over 1-3/8 (605 grains exactly). I'm going to shoot them over a chronograph soon and pattern them.
* I wish I had your choke. It would make a great late season pheasant, chicken, etc. choke, or a great pass shooting choke for anything from doves to geese.