Sounds like the warchief is now on top of the bismuth pile of hunting rounds!!! With a full length tps wad with buffer. What a difference between the warchief and legacy loads!!!! Looks like handload performance in a mass produced product. Deffinately worth the 💰!!!
That's really great information and I appreciate all the work you put into these tests, I really do. I just hope the skyblasters that hunt near me don't see this video or I'll never get the ducks in range lol. All jokes aside, I bought the Bismuth Bone Buster ER to try this year. I've always used the Carlson waterfowl MR but if the bismuth choke helps keep the pellets from deforming and fragmenting, I'd say its worth a try. Thanks again
Thanks so much! Sky busting is a worthy topic for another video for sure. I've found the bone buster to be a great choke. Works with more than just bismuth too, have a video coming about that as well.
Another great video and blast of info George! It’s hard to imagine such an improvement with the warchief from legacy loads. I’ve been using boss for 3 seasons and no doubt about results. I’ve patterned and put them to the real world test. Cost is now a real concern for me. I’m doing some pattern testing soon with Migra. Would like to see some good results with this for early tk mid season, and use my Boss for late honkers. Again, great info George. Thanks
They aren't cheap for sure. Supply has been fluctuating since they were just released. I shot this video maybe the day after I got the shells, within a week they were mostly sold out. But they will come back around as BOSS now has all of their production lines working at full speed.
You'll spend less shooting these with much less shooting at cripples. I know because I tried these last year. I was stoning Canada geese and canvasbacks with the 3/5 blend and I was wounding those same birds with 3.5" #2 steel loads. Just sayin ill keep the steel for clean up if ever needed but these are forever my go to shells for waterfowl hunting.
This is great and hopefully reduce cripple numbers but curious to see the comments during and after this season from guys who setup too close or others setting up too close on public using Boss bismuth and feeling that 3"+ penetration. Just a thought. Not that TSS wouldn't have similar if not more downrange energy. We know how alot of people are on public. Keep up the great work I enjoy your presentations and they are invaluable especially for new hunters trying to figure things out 🤙😎
Thanks! You cannot have too much energy. If all the pellets pass through, that's as good as it gets. But you can have a pattern that is too tight which makes it easy to miss or disintegrates the bird. You won't want to use this choke at close range at all.
Id like to see your turn in the debate of the titans ( 12ga vs 20ga )! In both pattern density over range , some turkey stuf and of course patterning with upland ammo!!
Another informative video, but I agree with HALWG51. In fact I shoot most of my ducks within 40yds with my new re-loads in a 3" case. 32grns of B/dot (I know you can use more, but this works well with not much recoil; enable you to get on to the next bird quicker) with a B&P 35 wad containing 90 steel 5's (2.8mm) + 150 steel 3's (3.5mm) on top; and a deep crimp. With a Browning imp cyl choke. This is lethal on decoyed teal and wigeon. AND CHEAP!
NOW! George, you said on one of your videos that velocity did not use to matter; as the manufacturers only just started to show this as a bit of extra hype when selling steel cartridges. So I have not got a clue-BUT IT KILLS> @@TheNewHuntersGuide
@@TheNewHuntersGuide they seemed plenty close, I could make out individual feathers. The wad was same distance as feathers I found so sub 40 yards with bb shot
@The New Hunters Guide Im interested in your opinion on the 410 for hunting. Especially upland quails, woodcock, phesant and an occssional bunny. Ps. Your videos were very usefull and informative, especially bismuth vs steel vs lead.
Thanks so much! I am not a big 410 fan, I feel like it's a comprise for bird hunting unless you use tss. Ranges get shortened alot. I think 28 or 20 is ideal. You can always use light 20 or 28 loads to reduce recoil and still be ahead of a 410. I also find 410s are so light that the felt recoil isn't much improved. I've shot some clays with one once, it felt like a serious handicap beyond close range.
Was % ballistic gel was this? What is your general rule of thumb for ducks? For geese? I think the explanation of the different types of ballistic gel and the widely accepted depth level for a clean kill of each species would be useful information in videos. Thanks for this!
Ever thought about doing a video on the best order one should load their shotgun? Let's say going turkey hunting. Best to have the #4 lead shot shell in chamber where second shell will be a #5 shot and the third shell a #6? Or best to reverse that order because by the time you fire the 3rd shot the turkey will be farther away and #4 best for 3rd shell? Or best to have all three shells #6? And so on....... Or isn't there any advantage on the shot shell order in your shotgun to increase % kill?
Hi thanks for the idea! That is a very hotly debated topic. I will give it some thought as to how I might be able to do a helpful presentation on the subject. I don't want it to just be my opinion, which is rather boring, I would just use TSS #9 and hopefully never need a second shot. But the question has a lot of merit that maybe I can test.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide No market for it - most hunting cartridges are for the driven game shooting boys, and plastic wads are almost universally banned on game shoots.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide There is for bioplastics but Boss's wads aren't biodegradable. There's also several market offerings here that claim biodegradability when in reality they're no better than HDPE, and gamekeepers are realising this and refusing their use on shoots.
Could you run the warchief through a more open choke (like skeet, IC or LM) to see if it keeps the same size pattern but more pellets, or if it shrinks the pattern?
Honestly, I don't even own a choke in all those sizes. Never needed one. The Muller Decoy is the closest comparison, I used it in the test video I did with 9 chokes. I think it saw 70%-ish patterns. Which opens this load up nicely for regular range hunts.
Is there a real world advantage for the mixed 3&5 shot? Or is it an unnecessary compromise that looses on both fronts? I.e. Not enough 3 to really be effective at long range or bigger birds or too much for smaller birds at close range (blow them to bits). I’m a newbie and trying to figure out a good “beginner” do-it-all (I know that’s not really possible) shell. Something to begin with and start patterning etc. thanks for the content!
In my testing I find it performs almost the same as #4, except it patterns better in my gun. Alot better. That's the main reason I use it. Does it pattern better in everyone's gun? I doubt it. But that's why we test. In terms of ballistic effectiveness, it's almost the same as 4s.
Steel plating would rust real fast. I'm sure all that was considered back when the ban was put into place. That took many years of research and planning.
There is no point, unless you use a scope or multi point sight. Body position determines shot placement, sleds and tripods change body position which shift point of impact. Unless you have a rifle optic system or red dot, the sled hurts as much as it helps. And the paper is so large, it will catch the entire pattern, even when I'm off.
So I HEAR boss is going to start letting a small outdoor store near me sell their shells after a shady deal migra made with the shops main competitor that doesn’t allow them to buy from migra anymore. Kind of a shady deal considering said shop promoted and sells literal tons of migra during duck season. Good on Boss if this happens.
Nope, I've never tested a #3 of anything yet. Every shot size you add increases the testing permutations by alot. And It gets expensive. But 3s will come in time.
@BehrTurner-gv4zd ok nice. So I did do a gel test with Hevi steel #4 against legacy BOSS #5 and they were almost identical in the gel. If the warcheif did 8% better it would probably still be a little short of HEVI steel 3s. But, I'd be willing to teat it and get the real numbers. However it might be awhile before I can get to the test. I've already recorded most of my fall videos.
You have ok content but your delivery is SO annoying , you sound like a late night infomercial or maybe a long lost nephew of Billy Mays…. either way it’s too much.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I have no clue buddy , maybe more mellow but if that’s how you naturally speak then keep doing your thing , nobody is forcing me to watch. No hate amigo , I wish you nothing but the best.
I actually enjoy his delivery. A little infomercial like, but that’s the charm. At least he’s enthusiastic! Obviously enjoys geeking out on the tests and specs. Gotta love that. And I really appreciate the clear delivery without a ton of umms and ahhhs.
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Sounds like the warchief is now on top of the bismuth pile of hunting rounds!!! With a full length tps wad with buffer.
What a difference between the warchief and legacy loads!!!!
Looks like handload performance in a mass produced product. Deffinately worth the 💰!!!
I hadn't thought of it like that before. Well said.
Got my cases of warchief in monday. 3 inch 3/5. Ready to hunt. Thanks for your great video
Awesome! I think that's what I'm taking into the woods on opening day.
Sounds like a great snow goose load. Thanks George, God bless you and go get them in the marsh.
Thanks so much Jeff!
That's really great information and I appreciate all the work you put into these tests, I really do. I just hope the skyblasters that hunt near me don't see this video or I'll never get the ducks in range lol. All jokes aside, I bought the Bismuth Bone Buster ER to try this year. I've always used the Carlson waterfowl MR but if the bismuth choke helps keep the pellets from deforming and fragmenting, I'd say its worth a try. Thanks again
Thanks so much! Sky busting is a worthy topic for another video for sure. I've found the bone buster to be a great choke. Works with more than just bismuth too, have a video coming about that as well.
Awesome video! Crazy results!!
Thanks so much!
I think I need to try some boss shells on some passing wood ducks!! 👍👍
They work good! And on other ducks lol.
Another great video and blast of info George! It’s hard to imagine such an improvement with the warchief from legacy loads. I’ve been using boss for 3 seasons and no doubt about results. I’ve patterned and put them to the real world test. Cost is now a real concern for me. I’m doing some pattern testing soon with Migra. Would like to see some good results with this for early tk mid season, and use my Boss for late honkers. Again, great info George. Thanks
Thanks so much! Balancing the budget is a real concern. Gotta find the right mix for sure.
Still expensive for me and always out of stock. Thanks for the vid. Appreciate your time and money to bring the sport your content and reviews.
They aren't cheap for sure. Supply has been fluctuating since they were just released. I shot this video maybe the day after I got the shells, within a week they were mostly sold out. But they will come back around as BOSS now has all of their production lines working at full speed.
You'll spend less shooting these with much less shooting at cripples. I know because I tried these last year. I was stoning Canada geese and canvasbacks with the 3/5 blend and I was wounding those same birds with 3.5" #2 steel loads. Just sayin ill keep the steel for clean up if ever needed but these are forever my go to shells for waterfowl hunting.
WOW 😮 That’s AMAZING
Yes indeed!
This is great and hopefully reduce cripple numbers but curious to see the comments during and after this season from guys who setup too close or others setting up too close on public using Boss bismuth and feeling that 3"+ penetration. Just a thought. Not that TSS wouldn't have similar if not more downrange energy. We know how alot of people are on public. Keep up the great work I enjoy your presentations and they are invaluable especially for new hunters trying to figure things out 🤙😎
Thanks! You cannot have too much energy. If all the pellets pass through, that's as good as it gets. But you can have a pattern that is too tight which makes it easy to miss or disintegrates the bird. You won't want to use this choke at close range at all.
Nice job
Thank you!
Great vid thanks
Thanks for watching!
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Thanks so much.
Id like to see your turn in the debate of the titans ( 12ga vs 20ga )! In both pattern density over range , some turkey stuf and of course patterning with upland ammo!!
Thanks. Lots of people keep asking for 20ga stuff. I just need to find a way to get one!
@@TheNewHuntersGuidetake your time, we're sure the content will be super helpful
I hope boss comes out with a 3inch #2 warchief. Because in my opinion... you can't hit a Goose hard enough!!!!
It's on the purchase page, they just haven't made the shells yet. I'm waiting for them too!
But think 🤔 pellet size and numbers. Bismuth #4 would almost be equal to steel 2 js
Last I checked they had #2 and #1 3 inch warchief in stock
Another informative video, but I agree with HALWG51. In fact I shoot most of my ducks within 40yds with my new re-loads in a 3" case. 32grns of B/dot (I know you can use more, but this works well with not much recoil; enable you to get on to the next bird quicker) with a B&P 35 wad containing 90 steel 5's (2.8mm) + 150 steel 3's (3.5mm) on top; and a deep crimp. With a Browning imp cyl choke. This is lethal on decoyed teal and wigeon. AND CHEAP!
Nice, what is the velocity?
NOW! George, you said on one of your videos that velocity did not use to matter; as the manufacturers only just started to show this as a bit of extra hype when selling steel cartridges. So I have not got a clue-BUT IT KILLS> @@TheNewHuntersGuide
HAHA, well said@@davidbilbrough3726
Thanks for the video!
I connected with some resident geese in Michigan but my shot didn’t bring it down unfortunately
Thanks so much!
Oh no! How far were you?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide they seemed plenty close, I could make out individual feathers. The wad was same distance as feathers I found so sub 40 yards with bb shot
Oh man, must just not have had a lucky enough pellet. @@bent5434
Only time I shoot that far is when they’re getting away……so I need it!
Yes indeed!
@The New Hunters Guide
Im interested in your opinion on the 410 for hunting. Especially upland quails, woodcock, phesant and an occssional bunny.
Ps. Your videos were very usefull and informative, especially bismuth vs steel vs lead.
Thanks so much! I am not a big 410 fan, I feel like it's a comprise for bird hunting unless you use tss. Ranges get shortened alot. I think 28 or 20 is ideal. You can always use light 20 or 28 loads to reduce recoil and still be ahead of a 410. I also find 410s are so light that the felt recoil isn't much improved. I've shot some clays with one once, it felt like a serious handicap beyond close range.
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Was % ballistic gel was this? What is your general rule of thumb for ducks? For geese? I think the explanation of the different types of ballistic gel and the widely accepted depth level for a clean kill of each species would be useful information in videos. Thanks for this!
All those questions and more are answered in this video: th-cam.com/video/hd4_rFSdaNc/w-d-xo.html
Ever thought about doing a video on the best order one should load their shotgun? Let's say going turkey hunting. Best to have the #4 lead shot shell in chamber where second shell will be a #5 shot and the third shell a #6? Or best to reverse that order because by the time you fire the 3rd shot the turkey will be farther away and #4 best for 3rd shell? Or best to have all three shells #6? And so on....... Or isn't there any advantage on the shot shell order in your shotgun to increase % kill?
Hi thanks for the idea! That is a very hotly debated topic. I will give it some thought as to how I might be able to do a helpful presentation on the subject. I don't want it to just be my opinion, which is rather boring, I would just use TSS #9 and hopefully never need a second shot. But the question has a lot of merit that maybe I can test.
The real problem at those long ranges is that most hunters don't shoot well enough to make a shot at that distance.
That is the truth, and it's worthy of its own video.
Great test George. Thanku. Pity we cant get Boss shells in the UK.
Thanks! Hopefully you'll be able to at some point. I would send the company a note asking for it.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide No market for it - most hunting cartridges are for the driven game shooting boys, and plastic wads are almost universally banned on game shoots.
Even biodegradable plastic wads?@@mrsmith9079
@@TheNewHuntersGuide There is for bioplastics but Boss's wads aren't biodegradable. There's also several market offerings here that claim biodegradability when in reality they're no better than HDPE, and gamekeepers are realising this and refusing their use on shoots.
I see, well boss claims the Warcheif wads are treated with agents to cause them to biodegrade. @@mrsmith9079
WOW! I was not expecting that! Insane... nah I'll stick to steel HAHA
Do it! Just don't shoot too far!
Joking lol
@@TheNewHuntersGuide
Could you run the warchief through a more open choke (like skeet, IC or LM) to see if it keeps the same size pattern but more pellets, or if it shrinks the pattern?
Honestly, I don't even own a choke in all those sizes. Never needed one. The Muller Decoy is the closest comparison, I used it in the test video I did with 9 chokes. I think it saw 70%-ish patterns. Which opens this load up nicely for regular range hunts.
Is there a real world advantage for the mixed 3&5 shot? Or is it an unnecessary compromise that looses on both fronts? I.e. Not enough 3 to really be effective at long range or bigger birds or too much for smaller birds at close range (blow them to bits). I’m a newbie and trying to figure out a good “beginner” do-it-all (I know that’s not really possible) shell. Something to begin with and start patterning etc. thanks for the content!
In my testing I find it performs almost the same as #4, except it patterns better in my gun. Alot better. That's the main reason I use it. Does it pattern better in everyone's gun? I doubt it. But that's why we test. In terms of ballistic effectiveness, it's almost the same as 4s.
Was wondering? Is it feasible or could they use steel plated lead? Then it would be legal and a heavier Pellet. I know they have copper plated lead.
Steel plating would rust real fast. I'm sure all that was considered back when the ban was put into place. That took many years of research and planning.
Great for ducks, but what about geese?
At regular ranges, absolutely. At long range, I might opt for straight #3s.
What happen to the Mueller choke?
It's in my bag. The videos don't always post in the order I shot them in. Else I might have use that choke for this one too.
Why don't you use a lead sled
There is no point, unless you use a scope or multi point sight. Body position determines shot placement, sleds and tripods change body position which shift point of impact. Unless you have a rifle optic system or red dot, the sled hurts as much as it helps. And the paper is so large, it will catch the entire pattern, even when I'm off.
So I HEAR boss is going to start letting a small outdoor store near me sell their shells after a shady deal migra made with the shops main competitor that doesn’t allow them to buy from migra anymore. Kind of a shady deal considering said shop promoted and sells literal tons of migra during duck season. Good on Boss if this happens.
Literally never heard of Migra until this comment. Now I must investigate 🤔
What area are you in?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide The shop that may be getting Boss is in Dewitt Arkansas
Ah ok, so not very close to them.@@leeroywilly
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Colombia River gorge in Washington
Do you have a video with gel penetration comparing a load of BOSS 5's at 1,350 fps to high velocity steel 3's at 1,550 fps?
Nope, I've never tested a #3 of anything yet. Every shot size you add increases the testing permutations by alot. And It gets expensive. But 3s will come in time.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I'd gladly ship you some 3's. Love your videos.
@BehrTurner-gv4zd thank you! What kind of 3s do you have?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I have Hevi-Steel, 3", 1 1/4 ounce of 3's at 1,500 fps.
@BehrTurner-gv4zd ok nice. So I did do a gel test with Hevi steel #4 against legacy BOSS #5 and they were almost identical in the gel. If the warcheif did 8% better it would probably still be a little short of HEVI steel 3s. But, I'd be willing to teat it and get the real numbers. However it might be awhile before I can get to the test. I've already recorded most of my fall videos.
The shell may be capable to shoot that far but your average hunter is not
That is the truth, and it's worthy of its own video.
Shit is garbage wouldn’t cycle in 2 different super black eagles of mine. One is new one is broken in.
What length shells?
You have ok content but your delivery is SO annoying , you sound like a late night infomercial or maybe a long lost nephew of Billy Mays…. either way it’s too much.
HAHA, and what do you recommend? Change my voice? Impersonate someone? Just go more mellow?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I have no clue buddy , maybe more mellow but if that’s how you naturally speak then keep doing your thing , nobody is forcing me to watch. No hate amigo , I wish you nothing but the best.
Comment is totally uncalled for.
@@Windwalker_Outdoors 😭
I actually enjoy his delivery. A little infomercial like, but that’s the charm. At least he’s enthusiastic! Obviously enjoys geeking out on the tests and specs. Gotta love that. And I really appreciate the clear delivery without a ton of umms and ahhhs.